Campus Protests: Culture War Or Civil War?
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The Philosophy of Campus Protests: Can Students Change History?
College students at places like Columbia, UCLA, and other universities across the United States have made national news for their recent protest actions. But can events like this actually change history? Are these students carrying on the legacy of civil rights, anti-war, and anti-apartheid protestors? Or is the media right in portraying them as over zealous and without clear goals? We'll try to figure it out in this video on the recent campus protests.
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This is exactly why the term “college kids” has always felt weird and most definitely infantilizing
In fairness most of them are dependent on their parents during school, so they're not really independent adults yet. I think the name is appropriate. They're legal adults but not independent yet, so kids it is. Also, prefrontal cortexes and such.
A title which progressives rush to embrace when they are involved in sexual contact with older people.. they are clearly not fully formed adults yet and often make decisions that will haunt them with regret for decades
@@jonjonzz42 By that logic all rich kids lack independent prefrontal nudity.
@@thisdudegotreal yes.
@@jonjonzz42 many adults are dependent on their parents for things like housing and medical insurance, living under a brutal economic system doesn't make you any less an adult.
If they can be sent into armed combat then they're an adult that deserves the respect and dignity as such
(Also, many people go back to school, not all collage attendees are fresh out of high-school)
"Be realistic. Demand the impossible." Goes so fucking hard
Typical communists lauding contradictions as if they're something to aspire towards.
When you think of History Repeating itself, you think of people being ignorant of the past. Rather, we should be more concerned that the badguys can learn just as much to ensure History Repeats itself, giving them a second chance.
Excellent point. They use history and weaponize it.
Conservatives are too uneducated, actually hates education, so don't worry that much
This! They know just as much as we do and know to learn from their mistakes. I feel like that's what wage slavery is: just an evolved form of slavery/feudalism that avoids the pitfalls of it's predecessors by keeping the people pacified through consumerism
And I used to think the whole ignorant of history thing was because people weren't even trying to learn the real history of things, but like now, seeing it in real time? Like we gotta do everything we can just to make sure that history doesn't get distorted as it's being written
I've often said the same thing after studying the Alt Right.
Those who do not learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.
Those who do learn from history, are destined to replicate it.
No matter who you are or your stances, you're going to repeat and replicate history.
Maybe it's the fact that I live in a very conservative part of Canada, but I'm seeing a lot of people that are proud of not going to college, verbally bashing the student protestors.
I don't think that's coincidence.
Good why go to collages funded by islamists
I understand being envious of people who can afford college. I don't understand the support for the political parties that made education unaffordable. I think that is classed as 'being stupid'.
I went to college and these kids are fucking stupid.
Because the protestors are wrong and a liberal arts degree isn't the badge of honor or ticket to life success it was in the boomer generation. No reason they can't be proud to have found their own avenue to success without crippling debt and useless indoctrination.
@@belmiris1371And it’s also worth noting that while expensive (and very variable) university is still way more affordable in Canada than in the US
The most "unrealistic" situation I ever found myself in was the aftermath of a natural disaster in a small US Southern city. The whole county had no power for a week or more and there was no chaos. People immediately took it upon themselves to start clearing roads, cleaning up debris, checking on neighbors. Like, our whole ZIP Code had a community meeting with a potluck lunch that we all somehow assembled having no electricity. It was so the local politicians could put in an appearance and you could find a representative of your insurance company to talk to - but clearly there was no logistical reason that meetings for community meals and democratic self-organization are impossible. The difference between a normal day and a disaster response is the illusion of control.
Because functioning adults were there
The media grabbed the narrative after Katrina, but the facts on the ground were of Mutual Aid in disaster - people helping their neighbors. Some of us remember the reality.
On one of the episodes of behind the bastards, they thoroughly discussed this phenomenon. Essentially, when disaster strikes, people are more likely to assemble into multiple prosocial groups(with the goal to rescue survivors, clean up debris, make sure people have food) than devolve into lawless monsters.
@@jahliafinney707 Nice to meet a Crooked Zone Media afficianado out there in the wild!
@@peterthegreat996only when the politicians weren't
The whole part at the end about infantilizing college kids, just as Hillary Clinton goes on TV and infantilizes college kids.
They're whining like babies, so...
@@too1leasytheir whining prevented your grandpa from dying in Vietnam, or becoming a child killer.
@@too1leasythat whining prevented your grandpa from dying in Vietnam, or becoming a child murderer.
History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes.
Mao's cultural revolution.
@@gordonsulc8319evangelism
@@gordonsulc8319…has vanishingly few parallels to the current situation, unless you view history through a funhouse mirror lens?
@@revwolfe they might be wanting that period of history to rhyme
@@revwolfe Nah. You just have to not be an idiot. I'm sorry that's difficult for you.
It's like young people have the energy and idealism to engage in activism.
They still believe in change and still have an imagination.... But give it a little time and they will be numb like the rest of us. 😵
@@Petch85 yes...tHe trick is it to make a difference before life gets in the way of a greater purpose
@@pierzing.glint1sh76 yer...
But even when you see change, the change is often super slow and it oscillates.
You just see the same thing again and again and it just gets old.
@Petch85 just do your bit before you have to get a regular job like everyone else.
And the naivety and impressionability to be pushed to do so.
When human rights can be packaged as politics without question, whether people deserve to live with rights and dignity becomes just a matter of opinion.
As I've gotten older, I've realized that most people/institutions don't really believe in human rights. I applaud those who stand up for them.
History doesn’t repeat itself but it often rhymes. Same thing happened during Vietnam. College kids protested on campuses while the working class fought in the actual war.
Their protesting is admirable but a larger class based movement is needed to pit power against power.
@@isaac1670 The funny thing there is that societies, or countries, or should I say nation-states, have OBLIGED themselves (in terms of how we agreed treaties function, or what the sources of law are) to adhere to rules and norms that guarantee certain rights to individuals as a matter of national and international law. It is, therefore, not a question of belief but of obligations. However, there is always this notion of belief involved when we talk about human rights. Imagine saying or thinking (and acting upon it) "I believe that taxes are bullshit" and simply living in line with that thought. I believe that sooner, rather than later, someone would tell you to pay up. Unfortunately, with human rights, unlike with taxes, we always need to remain vigilant and fight for the respect thereof. Things can go south quite easily and quickly.
Bravo! I love it when wisdom emerges amidst the din.
@@VLADICADIDA
You're right, and I'm not arguing against the defense of human rights. I wasn't as clear as I should've been, but I was trying to point out that the legal obligation to defend human rights doesn't mean much if the people who agreed to defend them doesn't defend them.
That's why I have so much respect for the protesters. They are calling out the institutions out on their hypocrisy.
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As an ageing guy, let me just say that college students really do have so much energy.
The French knew what they were doing, way back when.
Comes with long history of fantastic philosophers I guess
Discovering a way for young people to be annoying but accomplish nothing?
Even now. They know how to take to the streets when the regime oversteps.
@@willjapheth23789 guillotines accomplish not nothing.
Yeah, they were "keys of the state" (banks, police, rich...) revolting against monarchy. They couldnt vote them out, you can. And if you dont agree so much with the state ur in, change the state.
everything is political, just as everything is philosophical. if you think not, you're defaulting to the politics of the status quo
Have you read it somewhere? That is beautiful 😮
Man I have just posted this on social media, the last time I posted anything maybe 3 years ago when I was high. I am totally sober now, and find this absolutly spot on
Indeed that big dump I left in the toilet this morning was very political.
Ironically, yes - and it's a good example! Somebody has to regulate toilets, sewers, water treatment, etc. Even the shitter has social, political, and economic implications - just ask the people who've experienced life without porcelain poo catchers! It's absurd, but politics is always involved at some level. Does that mean the toilet is politically significant? Not if they're working okay. People get the most politically involved when something really isn't working right, like our tax dollars being funneled into messed up arms programs which are more concerned with making dough off tragedies than defending the country, or taxes being pointlessly overcomplicated.
Hope you have a great day!
@@BladeTrain3r
@@BladeTrain3r Ironically, being stupid also is very political
I think one of the major benefits of college that people almost never get again, is having a walkable city. They def have accessibility issues, some better than others, but the point is that you don't have to have a CAR just to survive! That combined with more time for exploring various topics and your own mind with a diverse group of people is a recipe for understanding, activism, and positive change.
I'm not gonna say colleges are perfect little communities, gods no, but they are built in a far more human-centric way where it is generally easier to bond with fellow human beings and really think about what you want and believe in.
It was that way. Then, social media came along and destroyed the whole bonding with other human beings.
I definitely think the force of social media was apart of it, but it was more so a tool to fulfill interaction and replace in human interaction as in person amenities and structures were torn down for freaking highways and 6 land stroads.
'Cause if it was just social media, that puts the blame on people for interacting online and having internet addictions instead of the legitimate systemic issues that caused people to become so isolated and go online to fill the void. @@BlueHooloovoo
My controversial opinion: people shouldn't assault other people
Maybe it would be wise for you to condemn the counter-protestors then
@@chinstrappenguin6603Exactly.
Counter-protesters, I condemn you! 💪
@@tomzimny7408 now, the thought needs to be considered.... How much do we condemn the counter protestors? Enough to assault them?
Is it logical to, being aware of history and clear patterns of those in authority and power, simply assume, given all the available data, non violence was never an option, because that's is the default response, inevitably, of those types.... What changes with non violence? Non violent protestors die, are injured, jailed, and maybe, maybe a token effort is made for change.
Yeah I'm sure George Floyd would be SO PLEASED that the BLM movement got aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben canceled.
Just..... Thoughts... Reflection upon patterns and history.
The violence of the oppressed is not the same as the violence of the oppressor
Human beings are doomed to repeat the same mistake over and over again.
Cycle breakers of trauma exist
the three generations cycle
Count me in as a trauma cycle breaker
Only if the rich don't get eaten
I was just thinking "Wisecrack hasn't uploaded in a bit" on my walk this morning lmao perfect timing!
I think your thoughts may turn true ngl 💀💀
A true liberal applauds all the past protests and condemns all the current ones.
Watch Second thought's "The Most dangerous thing in the western hemisphere"
@@17-MASYsecond thought is a tankie that supports babies being killed on October 7th. He said the babies were settlers so they deserved it. Really it’s Marxists that are most dangerous to the west. Not liberals
Class war.
All previous college protests ended up with positive changes.
That’s why higher ups are freaking out.
Indeed 🔥
Very true.
Additionally, surveys have shown for a little while now that younger generations are shifting more to the political left, are more critical of assumed political and cultural "norms" and are more likely to be openly disenfranchised from capitalist lies. Which makes the youth especially a threat to the parties in power. They know that the baby boomers, their largest voter group, are not going to be around for much longer and that younger voters aren't replacing them at the same rate, meaning they'll try to secure their authority while they can still pretend to hide behind democracy.
Nope. They like the protests VERY much, trust it.
@jonjonzz42 could you elaborate a little?
@@jerben9462 Who do you think is paying for it and why?
Boomers when they were in college: *Protesting the Vietnam War and for civil rights* "We will not be silent!"
Boomers when modern kids protest genocide: "Shut the fuck up! We weren't this willful during _our_ college years! You don't even know what you're talking about!!"
Palastinians are the only people that going through gencide but keep still growing as a population Israel really sucks at this genocide thing
@@bturtu405
Cope.
I mean. Didnt anti vietnam protesters litterally take a dean hostage or something. They were in a way MORE radical than the ones today.
Mostly cus the current generation is aware enough of history to avoid the use of the national guard.
Cus when they get called in even passers by are gonna get domed
It is neither culture war, nor civil war, and the terms 'anarchy' and 'revolution' are not mutually exclusive. Actual anarchism is genuinely revolutionary. This isn't culture war in the current use of that term, because movements for justice and equality are not a distraction to keep the masses fighting among themselves. This isn't civil war, because the opposition is a significantly smaller fringe element, with no established military, who are in many cases being supported and directed by another country.
I'm pretty sure these protests are artificial. Multiple protests near identical to each other popped up almost all at the same time in multiple universities. That means someone's funding it.
Not sure if Michael’s gonna read this, but here goes
Hi Michael, funny you mentioned WashU. I’m from St. Louis and what I’ve heard the last week about the protests there are crazy. I’m not a student there, but it’s a shitshow. Students and others who joined the protest made a camp and campus police arrested over a 100 people including Jill stein. WashU then put up fencing. Doesn’t help that the campus is a private university. They also moved the protests to SLU and then outside of forest park. If you read this, dive into WashU and the protest last week. It’s nuts what happened.
This city is full of braindead liberals
I mean in college your main purpose is learn, use your brain for ideas and expand your existence. Yes you might also have a job or other interests but your purpose is education and thinking. The rest of us only serve our capitalistic over lords and don't have time to work all day, take care of the kids, do the dishes, and somehow ponder the existential issues of society before bed. We should listen when colleges speak up
That’s why we need unions and civic organizations. If there’s no space in society for those issues to be considered, or the time to do so, can we really call this “democracy” in a substantive sense?
Sometimes it does seem like we live in a fiefdom minus the dysentery
College students today are children who haven’t experienced the real world
@@sw0rdf1sh2326 The problem is less with their being few options for political engagement, and more that people don't have the time and energy for them because of the way modern society is structured.
@@arc4859 what is the "real world"? If you're taking about jobs and paying rent, some of these legal adults have been doing that since they were 16. The real world is not supposed to be a 9-5 job and capitalist activities. It's supposed to be philosophy and humanity. They're more in the "real world" than you or I are
It's 2024!
Haven't we already learned this lesson before?
God damn, violently cracking down on non-violent student protests has ALWAYS been the wrong move and a violation of rights.
Tresspassing is a form of violence
@@richardlyman2961The students paid to be there.
@@richardlyman2961 It literally isn't. Not in the United States at least.
It is generally considered a nonviolent infraction punishable by a fine.
Either you've learned nothing from Mao's cultural revolution, or you have and are trying to bring it here. We will resist the tyranny of American Maoists.
@@gordonsulc8319we have them, they're called evangelicals, they're armed and love voting against the common good. The protests are figuring out against the pro-war propaganda and fabrication of consent
What I’m worried about is that this is gonna lead to even more defunding of education and continue to make it even more exclusive to the rich
That can only go so far. Right now the rich are brain draining the 'lower' classes by giving them high paying jobs helping to destroy the world. When that spigot dries up, some very smart people will have a lot of time on their hands and have no love for the elite. The elite, as always, get more inbred and worthless with every generation.
If this is what "education" brings then "education" should be replaced immediately.
@@RedPhoenix550 what the execution of one’s constitutional rights?
@@RedPhoenix550 Yes. We should all be like you and gobble down whatever fecal matter mainstream news or fascist leaders feed us. Stay asleep, Obey. You're worthless.
An art history major from Columbia should be exclusive to the rich.
As German who doesn't speak French, your pronunciation hurts my soul. Be strong my French brothers. That being said, great video.
I read this with the german accent
9:45
French is a waste of time
French Canadian here and my ears are bleeding.
Dynamutee shloompa
When the only people in a society with free time are college students...
If only the rest of society could get more free time too.
And they really don't.
That this can be said with any truth is evidence of the systems' intentional imperative and deliberate design to prevent anyone that could say anything against the status quo, from doing so.
That our society, and governments' default desired position for its' citizenry, is already beneath the boot, "lucky" to even have any capacity to breathe....
Is that not a declaration of war issued by that which is considered "authority" against "We The People"?
And the homeless
lol no, these kids were using their study periods and exam periods for this. Maybe some had JUST started summer. Any college kid who is trying to pass and get a job doesn’t have “free time”.
Even then they have hardly any especially if they gotta work too 😅🙃everyone’s fucked we all deserve more rest and free time to live our life outside of our job imo
Today's Fact: In 2011, a man in Texas successfully fought a traffic ticket by arguing that the sign prohibiting parking was written in Comic Sans font, which he claimed was not a legally recognized font.
That's cool. Thanks
I'm going to use that argument next time I get arrested for indecent exposure. It's so weirdly shaped that it's not a legally recognized, well... you know.
That’s not even true tho. One google search shows you jus made that up
Obvious AI/Bot account idk how you haven’t gotten banned yet
@@snooopledinkeroo that’s the real fact of today.
I remember US supports EVERY SINGLE STUDENT PROTESTS OVERSEAS, every single one.....And the more violence the most Chaos the more support from US.
But i guess when the peaceful one come to US....Attitude is literally a 180.
You just made that up
I think the US is only vaguely aware of protests overseas. The same way it is only vaguely aware of the plot in movies involving guns and fast cars.
As a latino, I think the student movements in Latin America in the 70s and on, would be good cases yo analyze when talking about this yopic and this video
See October of 1968…makes Kent state seem mild
@@peterthegreat996 Tlatelolco is precisely what I had in mind
What I don't get is why universities are treating this as a threat that needs so much violence. It seems they could just largely ignore it or even give in on some issues like divesting from weapon manufacturers. It seems that other protests have had FAR less violence against the protestors. The violence only seems like it is going to make the situation worse.
Violence against the protestors? First off, these protestors are breaking either the school's policies and/or making it nearly impossible to even hold classes - or breaking actual laws in whatever city said school is in. Breaking the law is you know, breaking the law. These schools have given these students SO much time to do their thing, leave and protest again if they want but they continue to stay in their encampments and continue to break laws etc. Do you really think any school should let them keep doing what they are doing? And then let's say these colleges "agree to their terms" which is the most condescending zoomer thing ever btw lol then what? When these kids think they can go protest in the middle of Time's Square and disrupt a major city to make them, divest from Israel still? When will it stop? Protesting only goes so far, and can only do so much - especially when SO many people either disagree with them for protesting or think they are left wing wack jobs basically.
In many cases they were breaking and entering and blocking off building access. Multiple graduations were cancelled.
The only reason most of the response seems like an overreaction is because you are being fed a narrative that one side is being non-violent and the other side is being violent. By the way, this is exactly what the other political bubble is hearing, but in reverse. @wisecrack really dropped the ball here and just reinforced the narrative that matched their priors.
Corrupt people within the huge administrative branch of universities, one that has been growing disproportionately for the last decades!
Give an inch, concede a mile. If they don’t crack down this will embolden more protests.
@@ernimuja6991 causing unnecessary violence will embolden more protests, they have failed.
As much as I hate France as a country but I love french and their enthusiasm to say fuck you to their country is great.
If they ain’t on strike they are on vacation.
How the fuck are you calling this a philosophy channel and calling this video anarchy or revolution? Is this bait? Have I been baited?
other videos also use "anarchy" as simply chaos, sometimes when the context really begs for the anarchist definition, as here. It's a bit weird
@@user-sl6gn1ss8p incredibly annoying
It’s disappointing. I’m gonna unsubscribe this shit.
I've been reading a lot about these type of protests. Really glad for this video.
Please know that the information you present regarding the arrest of Faculty members and their associated work is not information that I receive elsewhere on social media, and most of the info pushed to me has a decidedly more conservative angle to it. The information you present is important, please keep it up!
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There is a lot that isn't talked about when we talk about Mai '68 in France that makes us realize that the slogan "demandez l'impossible" was actually what was happening for a lot of people in Paris. In mai '68, student and general strike created a fuel shortage in Paris and people in Paris were not able to refuel their car and started using en masse bikes to go around! A lot of people also started to create little vegetable and fruit gardens in front of their house by removing the bricks. A lot of people where not just actually demanding something, they were creating it and living it for one or two whole months and got a taste for a different was of living completely! It started with a student strike and it became so much more and got to the inhabitants in general.
The french protester's quote at 20:32 reminded me of something.
Us communists have a quote here in Brazil, I dont know if it comes from somewhere specific.
"Aqueles que conciliam uma pauta máxima por uma pauta mínima, na busca de aprovação de seus inimigos, terminam com pauta nenhuma".
i.e. "Those who, in seeking the approval of their enemies, reconcile a maximum objective with a minimum objective, end up with no objective at all.". In reference to the way electoral politics forces radical policies to be chipped away until their radicalism is stripped off, and then get chipped away again until they offer no threat to the ruling class, and then get chipped away again until they do nothing at all.
Uau tem comunista ainda no brasil? Se quiser ajudar, para de lacrar e doa pro rio grande do sul, q votar pra um partido decadente como o PCdoB n vai ajudar em nada kkkkk
Love the video ❤
If youre looking for ideas, i recently learned about depaving groups and joined a local org working to coordinate flash events designed to save benthic river mussels during droughts. Could you talk about meaningful organized grassroots engagement in staving of climate change, or as im starting to see it, climate transition.
Fun fact. In Slovenias capital Ljubljana they specifically build different faculties in different parts of the city so students wouldn't be together and therefore wouldn't have that much power
"Charles de gaulle, the person, not the Airport"
LOL
Protesting the Iraq war (and later tuition fees) has left me with mixed feelings about student protests. Especially beyond the initial surge. I was against a pointless war but didn't like eventually marching alongside angry old Tankies waving USSR flags (half my family fled Stalin after all) or Islamists calling for death to all infidels.
No you cannot judge a protest by its worst minority of members, but I saw a lot of people get a little too into that side of things to easily give my full support.
So you're just a coward? Your moral beliefs is defined by others behaviour rather than yourself?
@@Anverse-14Guilt by association. I wouldn't wanna be seen with deplorables either
i for one support you getting the miller light sponsorship. get your buzz on man!
Pißwasser
"The actions of student protesters being largely in the right"
peace with Hitler protests: am I a joke to you?
It’s a display of humanity that very few others have the courage to engage in.
Good job guys another great video I appreciate the take. This does remind me of a story I heard a few years ago in my hometown which is a college town in Oklahoma. There was apparently a local Occupy Movement encampment at a local park and police were dispatched to disperse that demonstration. From what I was told, when told to disperse an organizer responded with "You can't tell me what to do, you're not my real dad!" As the story goes this began a chant of " not my real dad! Not my real dad!"
I don't understand how it is non-violentI know jewish student that scared to death to walk in campuses
source?
@@00Platypus00
His hurt feelings.
It's called Cask Ale. ""Warm Beer" is unacceptable and I demand an apology.
Today's "Israel" isn't the same Israel from the Bible.... Good job keep up the heat!
Free the US from AIPAC
But all that lovely money!!!
As an Anarchist i find the title card to be very amusing: why not both?
Seconded - but I feel like it’s left unclear what Wise means by anarchy and is instead just sticking to the chaos connotation rather than contending with anarchism in these protests (like the mutual aid which has sustained many of the encampments).
@@corey8378 It is they way it's used in the thumbnail, as chaos. And the basic historic reference they used was France's May of '68, where anarchists and libertarian socialists were at the forefront of the production of theory he analyzes. I would also find it amusing like the OP but the level of disregard is infuriating.
Awe...an uncreative person.
@@Wookie.Boogie I've noticed they've used "anarchy" with the connotation of "chaos" a bunch of times while discussing political topics, in different videos, and don't remember it being used in the anarchist sense. It really is especially weird on this one though.
Def out of touch, anarchy is liberty, where the systems we rely on are suited to meet our needs
In Colombia there was a rather curious phenomenon brought forth by students called "la séptima papeleta" (the seventh ballot) which basically paved the way for the 1991 constitution which is heralded as one of the best and most comprehensive in the continent so the fear of these rawdy children seeking change is nothing new and something the establishment will diligently seek to suppress
Wisecrack is a modern day “revolutionary press”.
Only 0:27 in and you’re already spewing nonsense like “ongoing genocide”.
Your inability to understand is not the definition of "nonsense".
@@simplethings3730 i understand precisely what a genocide is.
And a war with HAMAS with civilian casualties is by any definition NOT a genocide.
Unlike HAMAS’ explicit genocidal goals which are stated in their charter - they simply lack the military capacity to effectuate the genocide they wish for.
So yes. It is nonsense.
The french thing:
Ya did pretty good, man.
“..in my neighborhood everyone has the same gray sheen of death to them, and no hair on top of their heads, but they all wear bright colors…”
Not an American just pushing his way past the queue forgetting anyone else exists!!? Would never believe it 😜
It used to be understood that passive resistance always comes with the possibility of arrests. In fact, that's kinda the point. Arrests evoke public interest, public sympathy, and public scrutiny. Without this element, it's just a bunch of kids camping in a park.
My opinion:
1. Most protest were blown out of proportion by the media since it was a small percentage that actually protested and even smaller who made camps and occupied.
2. The Schools jumped the gun when they went all in the camps. The protest organizers wanted attention and they got it thanks to the Schools and some lawmakers that wanted a hammer down approach
3. The protest lost support from the majority when they started burning or tearing down the US flag, or by raising the Palestinian flag and even some chanting D.... USA (they were of course exploited by the media) I understand, this generation were born just before or after 9/11. They see it from a historical perspective not as a witness and grew up not really understanding on why the US was in the Middle East in the first place and today the world is way messier than any time in the las 80 years
In conclusion: just like the Israel / Palestine war both sides have some positive points in their favor but their execution is horrible and they just point fingers at each other
Dude these protests are getting bigger. So support my ass.
@@dalekrenegade2596 I mean by giving them coverage (more than they should ) they grew. They kinda sizzle out a bit by the end of the semester and they shoot themselves in the foot a bit when they started tearing down USA flags which actually generated a counter protest and emboldened the people who are for Israel
@@serg407
Not really shooting themselves in the foot when this became global. Israel's support among the general population is down the toilet.
My bus was late. I started a revolution. I asked who was with me. I was told to sit down. I did. But with great hesitation.
I recommend looking into Chile’s student protests in 2006. Not only were they impactful in the country’s politics at the time, but the leader of the movement is now the democratically elected president of Chile
Columbia President Minouche Shafik is a trademark liberal writes books on "what we owe each other" and talks a big game and then calls the cops on peaceful protesting students
What we owe each other, except when it affects my money or my employer's money
she has arabic origin and knows the history of palestine 75 years of injustice and ethnic cleansing but she sell her soul for money
You easily find out most org presidents, ceo, and politicans are virtue signalers and hypocrites
Sorry but colloge is really not a place to meet people from different backgrounds.
If anything it is one of of the biggest social bubbles out there. Only for those with the money, drive and skill to attend.
You're right, your french pronounciation made me smile (as my english pronounciation would probably make you smile), but that's mere form. I'm here for substance over form and you deliver. Thanks for thinking and helping us developing our thoughts on diverse and important topics.
Just remember everyone, if there’s protest overseas USA politicians cheer them on and to not give up. Probably funds them as well, but any protest in the USA is then of the world for them.
What protests?
@@trouserarmadillo8616 Arab spring. Protestors got funded via the us funded endowment for democracy.
Greetings from Paris to California. I'm actually a teacher at La Sorbonne 🤣 students are currently protesting and trying to occupy the buildings like some of their grandparents did in 1968, except the police seems a bit more reactive now and anybody supporting them is labelled as somehow advocating for terrorism or something (French media are overall STILL terrible). Hope you guys&girls will go further and pave the way!
Early 2000-2010s culture wars were still, at least in the US, still VERY much a thing (I say this as someone who was much more involved with them then)
In this era, though, it was the left who was more on the offensive. You had people challenging the narrative provided by those in power around the war on terror and the prism act. You had leftists concerned, rightly so in hindsight, about the right's moves to fascism and authoritarianism. You had groups like the Dixie Chicks getting a pushback for saying they disapproved of the actions of the president, and the American Idiot album by Green Day born out of a lot of the frustrations born of the right's control of the culture. The culture war didn't go quiet, the terms on which it was being fought, and which side held more power had just been different than it was in other eras you're discussing.
The left went from being anti war, anti spying, anti corporate, and anti big pharma, to now being prowar/ interventionist, pro corporate, pro spying into everyone's lives for "saftey reasons", and generally licking the boots of the democracy establishment. It's crazy to see
Thank you for your videos, informative and engaging
Where did you get that shirt tho
Privileged crybullying
Yep Zionists are the worst.
Maybe you could pretend to be non bias.
Did you bleep out the word protest? I swear right around minute 4 the word student protest is silenced after the 1st word? Why The word protest? Weird
Mans sounding like Pepè le Pew..without out the rizz. Great video as always tho.
Dr. Steve Tamari was my professor of middle eastern history.... He's thankfully recovering.
Been requesting this one! Thanks For this! 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Aka.
No one likes or trusts old people to look after the interests of others.
My boy deserves to get his buzz on to help with the anxiety
how productive is adding to the gdp? gdp don't do shit for us. i'm free, living on the dole, you know. kick me off, s'pose they will in due course. i think i still don't wanna toil to make some bigshot richer. i'd rather help someone for free and hope someone'll 'member me. that's community. productive? maybe. substantive is better
I am so proud of these youth. For all the horrible talk about "this generation" or "that generation", it is in situations like this where we see them come together in a beautiful way.
Look at our poverty, our debt, and our struggles not as a personal failure, but as a failure of the system to account for the nuances of diverse life and of a history that has been severely unfair to many.
Yet, instead of using their time and energy to fix things that really matter, like their own lives, the lives of the people they love/care for, the community they live in, they are attempting to apply an American/westernized view of the world to a conflict in the Middle East. Seems foolish. But I do understand the need to feel important/leave a mark on the world. Joining a movement like this is the same kind of thing that causes kids to join frats, gangs, and other groups.
I wish you would be more precise and circumspect with your language. What is meant by "anarchy" in the thumbnail title?
Yuri Bezmenov explained why.
Anarchy or revolution is a stupid question.
A revolution can be anarchiac, if it’s goal is to get rid of the centralized governemnt instead of replacing it.
I hate when anarchy is used as a synonim for chaos. People don’t understand the meaning of words.
Chaos scientifically is just basically something that is too complex for us to predict.
Any cursory look at what Anarchism is shows that it isn't about chaos. Like, one of the more famous anarchist books is "Mutual Aid, a factor of Evolution". One of the more widespread contemporary anarchist organizations is Food, not Bombs.
People shouldn't fall for laughably bad 1st red scare propaganda so easily.
Love that Sontag quote
I, too, am a balding man aged by a sense of impending doom, who wears bright colors. I feel ya, Michael.
Solidarity friend.
Its Literally Both...
I admire the word choices (and lack of certain words) kudos!
It's difficult for me to judge this:
On the one hand I fully support the criticism of the entanglement of universities within the war industry.
On the other hand I just can't believe that the progressive, feminist and liberal Students either openly support or at least be silent about patriarchal, regressive religious zealots.
I live in Germany and it's unbearable to see how Jewish students are under attack just because they happend to be Jewish and thus the enemy
The right of the Palestinian people to life and dignity doesn't need to be earned. Backwards beliefs by some or most Palestinians doesn't justify anything done against them.
@@SockTaters this is not at all what the user was talking about
@@llla8125 They criticize the anti-zionist protestors by saying, "on the other hand I just can't believe that the progressive, feminist and liberal Students either openly support or at least be silent about patriarchal, regressive religious zealots," as if that's relevant to the issue the protestors are protesting. This is just like people who responded to George Floyd's murder by saying, "he was no angel". Some people refuse to care about oppression unless there's a 'perfect victim', and that's wrong.
@@llla8125no, that's exactly what the user is talking about. They're being conflicted about some student protestors being pro-hamas, and Palestinians who are actually being slaughtered like cows in Gaza
They're being self-serving as hell.
@@Anverse-14
Spot on.
As an anarchist, I think the thumbnail is silly :(
anarchists glancing at the thumbnail :
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C'mon Wisecrack team! You're better than using anarchy as a synonym for chaos!
Anarchy IS chaos. It's literally the foundation of it.
@@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer Read a book
@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer the etymological root on "anarchy" is from the Greek word anarchia which mean "an" Without "archia" ruler/chief. This is how the term is used in political theory and not the mistranslation of anarchy as "without rules" which I witness constantly by legacy media in the USA (probably on purpose). The Circle-A shown in my profile pic can be referenced to a quote in the 1840 book "What is Property" by Pierre-Joseph Proudhun which says "as man seeks justice in equality, so society seeks order in anarchy".
@@culture-jamming-rhizome afaik, "anarchy" already had the negative connotation before the anarchist movement, and that was actually part of the reason the movement got its name.
Still, of course, anarchy, in the anarchist sense, is not chaos, and its meaning is closer to the one you give. Not disputing the etymology either, or that it is really weird how a left-leaning philosophy channel writes "anarchy or revolution".
I really don't think they are, tough. Like, I like the channel, but I've noticed them using "anarchy" in this way in other videos as well
it seems like there is some hypocrisy going on with WHO can protest, it is generally easier to rationalize and justify a cause you beleive in, for exapmle a lot of people say the disruption is justified becaue the cause is just. well a lot of peole thing the cause is just, a lot of people dont, once you start applying a moral litmus test to who should and shouldnt be able to use a certain means to get a certain end. then the :common community" and the coming together of disperate people becomes more difficult. if the same set of rules only applies to your side. dont be suprised when thoes who disaree with you use your tactics against you.
@~17:30, reminds me of something a US Army officer said during Vietnam,
*"It became necessary to destroy the town to save it."*
We get will by, indeed! Another great video!
I might get a lot of pushback for this, but being in the UK and seeing how they protest over here and how the US protest is fucking night and day and it's scary. The main difference I've seen with protesting in the US is that in modern times, we seem to always make two mistakes.
1) Even though innocent bystanders can't always be avoided, we seem to just protest for the sake of distruption and dont care about the secondary ramifications.
2) This really applies to this generation, but the follow-up either doesn't happen or is misguided.
The thing about student protest and why colleges typically are at the front is because higher education is supposed to be a neutral entity....keyword supposed to be.
Now, to really show that despite the US being a superpower, the US is still pretty young socially. I've noticed that whenever a European country protetsts, they dont ride the line... they cross it, with a precision of getting their point across to actually make change. The latest protest in France was a recent example. The farmers wanted better treatment, and since their demands wasnt being met, they took their farm vehicles and blocked major roads (large vehicles, unlike using people to block a road which can be easily moved) and also dumped farm waste on various politicians or politically affiliated people. Needless to say, they got their way immediately.
Im not saying protesting has lost its touch, but with the amount of major protests that have been happening in the US and seeing how it's more of a "hot topic" type of thing than actually standing for what they believe in. Then we come full circle to the "Useful Idiot" strategy used in politics, and right now, college campuses are the perfect breeding ground for that.
So it’s a mistake to disrupt innocent bystanders but they’re also not disruptive enough to the point of being useful idiots?
@unprofessionallyamateur6354 Yeah, basically, I know it sounds weird saying it, but you look at any historical account of an uprising or protest to change something significant and you will see the hard line in the sand that you really can't blame the average person for not crossing.
Like I don't know about you, but I'm honest enough to say I'm not willing to cross that line. I know it's gets you cool points for saying you'll do it, but reality is not the same.
That's where the "useful idiot" comes into play for economic destabilization, stir up enough discourse just to unravel various establishments BUT don't let them do enough to actually be a major threat to anyone but themselves. Basically "a house divided amongst themselves shall fall"
So basically, “they should do more in their protests because they’re going to be overly demonized for protesting anyways”?
The other thing is for us in America , if someone was to protest that can possibly involve bystanders. Some third party is willing to take the law into their own hands with a gun.
But politics in the US are more devices. So I agree with what you said
@modell1084 yo, I totally forgot about that, the amount of bad actors that infiltrate any movement is actually insane.
I am typically a huge fan of this channel’s work and even found the analysis of college protest to be quite interesting. However I think it is incredibly dangerous to pretend that the current protest fit neatly with the paradigm of past protests. In no past protest has the persecution of a minority been so prevalent. As a visibly Jewish Columbia student I was threatened and told I was not welcome at the university or even in America. Even students not at all tied to the Zionist movement have been threatened simply for wearing kippas. These protest cannot be analyzed with ambivalence to “the Jewish question”.
I thought it was illegal to lie on the Internet. You know if only someone could record this interaction because the only "anti-semitism" mainstream media is able to show is a single Zionists not being let into an encampment.
These students have been disciplined in their messaging and explicitly against anti-semitism so all you can do is make stuff up. Also are you calling all of the Jewish supporters anti-semitic?
Lots of Jewish students are an active part in organizing these protests, including at Colombia, and are in no way unwelcome.
This is your only comment on here, but granting you’re a real person and commenting in good faith, what happened to you is an edge case and should be outright condemned.
If you want to be part of protest, you should absolutely be welcomed and raise issues like being threatened to leadership/admin.
By all serious accounts, these protests have been by and large peaceful, disciplined, conducted with support from faculty and with a sensitivity to not letting anti-semitism seep into a protest centered on the cessation of unjust killing/destruction.
Hey man! What kind of jazz do you like?
How can I trust Michael's opinions going forward when I know he actually _likes_ Miller Lite? I'd say the only _good_ Miller Lite is a _free_ Miller Lite, but then I remembered I can refuse it and just grab a water or soda, which would provide roughly the same amount of buzz but without the taste of pisswater from the Gowanus canal.
A past version of me would've agreed with this comment 100%. But something weird happens with age . . .
this obviously takes a pro-protest approach and generally ignores philosophers who might have been opposed to the '68 protests, namely Roger Scruton, who deplored the '68 protests and lamented the destruction of public property and the a-historicity of the people involved. There are some similar things going on here - what I have found shocking most of all is the justification of the Oct 7 attacks or clear denial that they even happened. Also, you mentioned that students don't want "their tuition money" used to fund a war, it should be noted that generally, tuition money is used for the cost of the student's upkeep (room and board) and education (yes, education) and not to fund the war. Rather, the universities use endowment money instead for investment purposes to help bridge the operational cost of running the university. Additionally problematic is the disruption of education classes being cancelled, or going on line) and the cancellation of commencement ceremonies (which is extremely lamentable when one considers that the number of protesters, is exceedingly small when compared to the overall number of students attending these universities. Hence, what you hav here is a tyranny of the minority.
Didn’t scruton get sacked for peddling conspiracy theories about George soros? What a hero.
October 7?
Nakba.
Incidentally, Nakba Day is tomorrow.
As a non-american I can't understand how anyone can support that genocide or see any gray in what happened. Especially anyone that supported ukraine. The difference in reactions to both evends from sometimes the same individuals looks delusional to me.
The US isn't even the worst offender, just the most widely reported on.
There's no way that the police attacking protesters are in the right. It just doesn't make any sense. Someday people will understand
He forgot to mention that the Columbia protesters broke into the faculty building illegally and vandalized the shit out of it but oh well that would have grayed the waters so it can't be told.
Do you have a citation for the Macafee quote?
/all of the quotes lol