I'm totally for Turtle-Human sex, , ,April having a half Turtle half human baby (by percentage would look more human) n would be awesome , maybe April would have identical twins, , ,those children would occur after tragic death of Casey Jones , , Donatello would be April's new husband , , , ,point me at 5th turtle "Venus de milo", a month after our honeymoon she can lay 30 or so of our eggs into a nest , , , we'll have or own mutant football team 😀 😋😋😋🐢
the non-canon stories should be considered what if... stories, showing the readers stories of what if this happened or what if this character died and other what if scenarios
@@lucasgibbs4050 Not even. Mark Pellegrini identified non-canon stories in his timeline of Mirage, but when you start investigating what the writers said, it is almost like none of it should be taken seriously as canon. "Dark Shadows" alone implies that the apocalyptic future was just one possible timeline. In reality, the problem is that not even the writers know what is canon and what isn't. So all the stories happening in the future should be considered as an alternative timeline.
@@lucasgibbs4050 I found "facts" in turtlepedia that weren't backed by anything (or sometimes they use up a lot of space to talk about coincidences). So in general, it's a great source of knowledge, but other times it just makes my research work slower.
been looking for a channel like yours since I was a kid man nobody ever talks about the mirage universe as much as they should I’ve been a reader of the original comics and the IDW and even the boom studios comics but the mirage will always be the OG comic turtles for me
I love the idea that the turtles have expanded life spans. So they could live to be 400 years old if they are not killed, or sick. That's the one detail I don't like about the Last Ronin. That it's not 300 years in the future.
I still hold out hope that Peter Laird and Jim Lawson will reunite to wrap up Vol 4. Beyond that I really hope Kevin and Peter will collaborate again on a story to conclude the Mirage continuity. Judging by the recent Cartoonist Kayfabe interviews it’s clear there’s definitely a chance of this happening some day. The big problem with Tales Vol 2 is that Peter had so little input, the whole series can only really be regarded as what if… stories driven by Steve Murphy. Peter Laird is seemingly unaware of most of the stories as it sounds like he’s never even read them.
While Peter may not remember many of the Tales, most of the stories in that volume are definitely canon. It's just the ones from the future (and the ones that were specifically classified as non-canon). I do not know if Peter will be able to go back to volume 4, but I do hope that he and Kevin write something new.
The Same Applies in the Bleak Future of Mutant Apocalypse on TMNT 2012 which would be likely the case Considered Non Canon and ended as how the Original comics ended the same way.
THE Mutant Apocalypse is 1000/100 a what if because it's not the true finale of the cartoon. So to sum up the hole mutagen bomb thing never happen/happened/will happen and the turtles are okey
@user-zv4nq4qk2i That may be true as they ended it on Wanted: Bebop and Rocksteady Trilogy. But according to season 5's production codes, Mutant Apocalypse trilogy was it's true last episodes as it left a final note in the end for the Original TMNT creators. It's what Nickelodeon wants you to think. They where in way over there heads when they did this and since it's canceled it never was continued to prevent such a grim end for them thus it's the reason they altered there episode line. But it's entirely up to you how you want it to end it this way. So yeah it was a good move to end on the Bebop and Rocksteady Trilogy...
My rule for comics is to just dont consider anything canon unless its brought up in whatever story you're currently reading. As the characters go on, and different writers take over, they all end up using and not using what they want for the story they are telling, and you got to keep that in mind when you're reading.
@@emerald_archer Which to me just makes it a fundamentally flaws medium. Especially since the whole idea is to tell massive stories with characters developed over several years, only to then have all that you've read be made moot at the drop of a hat.
Last ronin is not canon to mirage because of the 1987 cartoon &1990 movie references the tmnt don't wear multi colored head bands or dress in all those accessories.
@@tyronleung5276 There are more reasons why it isn't canon to Mirage. But I think the debate of whether something is canon or not only applies when a story is a part of a volume or run. Since Last Ronin is a different universe, it doesn't matter.
I LOVE The Turtles but I have to admit... I'm not much of a fan of the cosmic sides to their adventures. I love the stories of them on Earth fighting The Foot Clan, Shredder, The Purple Dragons, the various B level villains, etc (and with a little mysticism mixed in). But I DIDN'T like the Triceratons, and honestly I much preferred The Turtles' dynamic in the 2003 animated series over their Mirage counterparts...JUST BECAUSE their bond seemed a _lot_ tighter in that iteration. In contrast, the comics seemed to ALWAYS have them at odds with each other, (ALWAYS!) over the most STUPIDEST things but in the 2003 series they actually felt like a real clan. (To me, anyway.) I really enjoyed _The Last Ronin,_ and especially loved the hulking design of Michelangelo. Not really a fan of them mutating 4 new turtle replacements, though. This honestly seems rather cruel. Why would you create something like this in a world where they would ultimately be alone and different JUST because you happen to miss your friends?
Well, the reasoning is that ooze is thicker than blood, so they are basically extending the clan. But I think it is fine, because it's its own universe anyway.
The Turtles forever movie revealed the multiverse of turtles, with the 2003, 1987 & Mirage turtles. just think of each version as a different universe in the multiverse
I view TMNT Odyssey more of a Crisis Of Infinite Earths deal, and Michelangelo is sorta in a way the Anti-Monitor. Big Bad that destroys an old multiverse and a new multiverse is born at the end? Tell me you don’t see the resemblance. Comment if you see the resemblance.
Speaking of “The End”, Peter Laird has considered finishing Mirage Vol. 4 if Jim Lawson is interested. I found this out from The Old Turtle Den, great channel, highly recommend you check out if you haven’t already.
@@lucasgibbs4050 I think so, yes. I am pretty sure Lawson would love to come back to doing Turtles stuff. Especially something he was already a part of.
I kind of see it as alternate endings. It reminds of me of what the 2012 series did in season 5 where they had alternate endings such as 'mutant gangland' etc. Either way ive always admired the mirage comics and if im being honest my favourite ending would have to be the last ronin. No matter what ending is the true 'canon' they're all fun to read so id be okay with whatever honestly
I kind of explored it in a couple of videos, (the banned TMNT story, and the time the turtles saved the Asgardians), these videos go into the history behind the guest era. I still have other guest era stories to cover on my list, but I had to postpone them because people were asking for volumes 2 and 4 stuff.
I've always hated the Turtles/Human romance. I was really annoyed with it in the 2012 Nick Series with Donatello drooling and obsessing over April, Leo for a bit with Karai till she was made into a Mutant, but still, and it really annoyed me to learn that in the recent Mutant Mayhem movie Leonardo is the one now with a crush on April...who looks like a grandma though she isn't. And then I see Old Leo mouth to mouth kissing with Radical, and it gave me the same anger we had on 2006 PS3 Sonic the Hedgehog kissing Princess Elise, or rather her kissing him to revive him. If the TMNTs creators hate that idea, wth do they allow it to play in the different versions of the Turtles so much lately?
@@TheTurtleNexus Yeah, non human teenagers! Whom are from a totally different species. Even when they may have some human genes in them due to the Mutation, there shouldn't be any attraction from them to any human being. It is as disturbing as a person finding a goat or sheep attractive enough to have intimacy....ew.
@@EternalRoman Yeap, but that's the reasoning for most writers I imagine. To give them the arc of being attracted to someone for the first time. If you look at how people reacted to the existence of the original Venus, it doesn't seem like mixing them up with female turtles was an option either.
@@EternalRoman Is it really though? Zoophilia isn't bad because humans and animals look different, it's bad because animals aren't intelligent enough to consent. Since both sides are sapient in this scenario, what's the problem?
@@saucevc8353 An interesting question, though, no, not really. The fact that both are now intelligent, doesn't make them the same species. If you go down the science of it all, aside of physiology, there's the microbiology of it all. Imagine for a minute that the Mutated animal is a cat, becoming Anthropomorphic, he becomes intelligent, like the character Old Hob in the IDW comics of the TMNTs. He falls in love with a human female, then they decide to have intimacy, when it comes to coitus, his member is covered with spines like a cat and can you guess what happens to the human female? There's a reason people and animals are not to have intimacy, the answer is obvious even in the line of fantasy like in the TMNTs. The Turtles are anthropomorphic amphibious reptiles, and humans are mammals. I can't believe that this has to be explained.
The video includes chapters. Those four minutes are already the point by the way. Explaining the events of that future without understanding who wrote them and when, is not going to give you an educated view on the subject (if you watched the whole video, you will already know why). I do not enjoy making videos longer than they should be, so if the video takes a while to get into the meatier stuff, it's for a good reason. Can you trust me on this?
Thanks for watching!
What is your take on this future?
I'm totally for Turtle-Human sex, , ,April having a half Turtle half human baby (by percentage would look more human) n would be awesome , maybe April would have identical twins, , ,those children would occur after tragic death of Casey Jones , , Donatello would be April's new husband , , , ,point me at 5th turtle "Venus de milo", a month after our honeymoon she can lay 30 or so of our eggs into a nest , , , we'll have or own mutant football team 😀 😋😋😋🐢
Please lose the AI epic voice over guy nonsense.
@@aaronfrank8910 I did.
@@TheTurtleNexus Well, now you need to go back clean up these crap dubbed videos.
the non-canon stories should be considered what if... stories, showing the readers stories of what if this happened or what if this character died and other what if scenarios
Technically they are... the only problem is that most of the time, there is no way of knowing when you are reading one.
@@TheTurtleNexus Except maybe through TMNTpedia.
@@lucasgibbs4050 Not even.
Mark Pellegrini identified non-canon stories in his timeline of Mirage, but when you start investigating what the writers said, it is almost like none of it should be taken seriously as canon. "Dark Shadows" alone implies that the apocalyptic future was just one possible timeline.
In reality, the problem is that not even the writers know what is canon and what isn't. So all the stories happening in the future should be considered as an alternative timeline.
@@TheTurtleNexus TMNTpedia is still reliable, just ask Kelly Hu when looking up Karai.
@@lucasgibbs4050 I found "facts" in turtlepedia that weren't backed by anything (or sometimes they use up a lot of space to talk about coincidences). So in general, it's a great source of knowledge, but other times it just makes my research work slower.
The turtles have the more dark future timeliness of any comic book characters ever!
Honest Trailers in a Half Shell
been looking for a channel like yours since I was a kid man nobody ever talks about the mirage universe as much as they should I’ve been a reader of the original comics and the IDW and even the boom studios comics but the mirage will always be the OG comic turtles for me
I love the idea that the turtles have expanded life spans.
So they could live to be 400 years old if they are not killed, or sick.
That's the one detail I don't like about the Last Ronin. That it's not 300 years in the future.
That's why the Last Ronin is stupid
@@kikacruz4560 You clearly have TRASH taste. The Last Ronin is a great Turtles story, unlike all the crap in the ongoing IDW series!
@@samuelmbila5583 commit sepuku
turtles/tortoises could actually lived around 200 years in wildlife
@@kikacruz4560 you first loser
I still hold out hope that Peter Laird and Jim Lawson will reunite to wrap up Vol 4. Beyond that I really hope Kevin and Peter will collaborate again on a story to conclude the Mirage continuity. Judging by the recent Cartoonist Kayfabe interviews it’s clear there’s definitely a chance of this happening some day. The big problem with Tales Vol 2 is that Peter had so little input, the whole series can only really be regarded as what if… stories driven by Steve Murphy. Peter Laird is seemingly unaware of most of the stories as it sounds like he’s never even read them.
While Peter may not remember many of the Tales, most of the stories in that volume are definitely canon. It's just the ones from the future (and the ones that were specifically classified as non-canon).
I do not know if Peter will be able to go back to volume 4, but I do hope that he and Kevin write something new.
The Same Applies in the Bleak Future of Mutant Apocalypse on TMNT 2012 which would be likely the case Considered Non Canon and ended as how the Original comics ended the same way.
THE Mutant Apocalypse is 1000/100 a what if because it's not the true finale of the cartoon. So to sum up the hole mutagen bomb thing never happen/happened/will happen and the turtles are okey
@user-zv4nq4qk2i That may be true as they ended it on Wanted: Bebop and Rocksteady Trilogy.
But according to season 5's production codes, Mutant Apocalypse trilogy was it's true last episodes as it left a final note in the end for the Original TMNT creators.
It's what Nickelodeon wants you to think. They where in way over there heads when they did this and since it's canceled it never was continued to prevent such a grim end for them thus it's the reason they altered there episode line.
But it's entirely up to you how you want it to end it this way. So yeah it was a good move to end on the Bebop and Rocksteady Trilogy...
The whole discussion of what is and isn't canon really just goes to show how trying to keep up with comics is oftentimes more trouble than it's worth.
My rule for comics is to just dont consider anything canon unless its brought up in whatever story you're currently reading.
As the characters go on, and different writers take over, they all end up using and not using what they want for the story they are telling, and you got to keep that in mind when you're reading.
@@emerald_archer Which to me just makes it a fundamentally flaws medium. Especially since the whole idea is to tell massive stories with characters developed over several years, only to then have all that you've read be made moot at the drop of a hat.
What about Last Ronin? Is it considered canon?
It's its own universe, so it is canon for that particular version. Not canon for the rest of the IDW TMNT comics.
Last ronin is not canon to mirage because of the 1987 cartoon &1990 movie references the tmnt don't wear multi colored head bands or dress in all those accessories.
@@tyronleung5276 There are more reasons why it isn't canon to Mirage. But I think the debate of whether something is canon or not only applies when a story is a part of a volume or run. Since Last Ronin is a different universe, it doesn't matter.
Is that the honest trailers guy?
Right! Been asking that forever! Lol
Sounds like him, but it's a bit off... like it's read by AI or something
I LOVE The Turtles but I have to admit... I'm not much of a fan of the cosmic sides to their adventures. I love the stories of them on Earth fighting The Foot Clan, Shredder, The Purple Dragons, the various B level villains, etc (and with a little mysticism mixed in). But I DIDN'T like the Triceratons, and honestly I much preferred The Turtles' dynamic in the 2003 animated series over their Mirage counterparts...JUST BECAUSE their bond seemed a _lot_ tighter in that iteration.
In contrast, the comics seemed to ALWAYS have them at odds with each other, (ALWAYS!) over the most STUPIDEST things but in the 2003 series they actually felt like a real clan. (To me, anyway.) I really enjoyed _The Last Ronin,_ and especially loved the hulking design of Michelangelo. Not really a fan of them mutating 4 new turtle replacements, though. This honestly seems rather cruel. Why would you create something like this in a world where they would ultimately be alone and different JUST because you happen to miss your friends?
Well, the reasoning is that ooze is thicker than blood, so they are basically extending the clan. But I think it is fine, because it's its own universe anyway.
The Turtles forever movie revealed the multiverse of turtles, with the 2003, 1987 & Mirage turtles. just think of each version as a different universe in the multiverse
@@Kiddakd Man that flick was a blast.
I view TMNT Odyssey more of a Crisis Of Infinite Earths deal, and Michelangelo is sorta in a way the Anti-Monitor. Big Bad that destroys an old multiverse and a new multiverse is born at the end? Tell me you don’t see the resemblance. Comment if you see the resemblance.
It's a DC story for sure.
I loved Odyssey. Thank God I have a physical copy.
I see the future stories as all of it is canon and none of it is canon. The actual end of the storyline is up to the audience at this point.
Pretty much
Speaking of “The End”, Peter Laird has considered finishing Mirage Vol. 4 if Jim Lawson is interested. I found this out from The Old Turtle Den, great channel, highly recommend you check out if you haven’t already.
He probably got it from the source, which was the interview Cartoonist Kayfabe had with him.
@@TheTurtleNexus Still, have you checked out The Old Turtle Den?
@@lucasgibbs4050 Why wouldn't I? It's probably the most popular TMNT channel on RUclips, and I usually mention it in my comments.
@@TheTurtleNexus Do you think Jim Lawson would be interested?
@@lucasgibbs4050 I think so, yes. I am pretty sure Lawson would love to come back to doing Turtles stuff. Especially something he was already a part of.
The Mirage comics continuity is very interesting and ambigeus
Aldo when are you going to make a video about the IDW RAT KING??
When his story gets somewhere (hopefully after Armageddon Game).
@@TheTurtleNexusWell, it’s after Armageddon Game.
Last Days of Marvel Universe 1939-2009
Who's the artist that you got the song from? The music in the background.
Jimena Contreras (it's in the credits around 1:12)
Where can i find and read online tmnt Odyssey?
You can read it here www.thegreenlanterncorps.com/tmnt/odyssey.pdf
But have in mind it's not canon.
I kind of see it as alternate endings.
It reminds of me of what the 2012 series did in season 5 where they had alternate endings such as 'mutant gangland' etc.
Either way ive always admired the mirage comics and if im being honest my favourite ending would have to be the last ronin.
No matter what ending is the true 'canon' they're all fun to read so id be okay with whatever honestly
I want to see the actual canon books.. 😂
I love it.
Also when are you going to make a video about the gust era of the mirage tmnt?
I kind of explored it in a couple of videos, (the banned TMNT story, and the time the turtles saved the Asgardians), these videos go into the history behind the guest era.
I still have other guest era stories to cover on my list, but I had to postpone them because people were asking for volumes 2 and 4 stuff.
Now presenting Gust!
It's an dark future.
Is this a text to speech bot or what?
The thumbnail looks high.
Will Odyssey be your next video?
No, Odyssey kind of needs to come out after the volume 4 video.
@@TheTurtleNexus When will that come out?
@@lucasgibbs4050 Hard to tell, maybe a couple of months.
@The Turtle Nexus will you do audio book of odyssey & origin?
@@tyronleung5276 unlikely.
Lore of Last days of the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - TMNT comics momentum 100
I’m sure these videos would be well interesting, but the bizarre choice of AI voice to makes them unwatchable. It’s just too distracting.
Check out the "Deluxe" playlist, no text-to-speech there.
Froggy?
How is this music called???
If it doesn't say in the credits, it's just a mix of several songs.
Say, “Cowabunga!!!” In your epic voice. Oh wait, wrong channel.
If Kevin or Peter are not involved in story then to me its only Fan Fiction , , , , no interest beyond that , , , 😔
I've always hated the Turtles/Human romance. I was really annoyed with it in the 2012 Nick Series with Donatello drooling and obsessing over April, Leo for a bit with Karai till she was made into a Mutant, but still, and it really annoyed me to learn that in the recent Mutant Mayhem movie Leonardo is the one now with a crush on April...who looks like a grandma though she isn't. And then I see Old Leo mouth to mouth kissing with Radical, and it gave me the same anger we had on 2006 PS3 Sonic the Hedgehog kissing Princess Elise, or rather her kissing him to revive him.
If the TMNTs creators hate that idea, wth do they allow it to play in the different versions of the Turtles so much lately?
Probably because they're teenagers.
@@TheTurtleNexus Yeah, non human teenagers! Whom are from a totally different species. Even when they may have some human genes in them due to the Mutation, there shouldn't be any attraction from them to any human being. It is as disturbing as a person finding a goat or sheep attractive enough to have intimacy....ew.
@@EternalRoman Yeap, but that's the reasoning for most writers I imagine. To give them the arc of being attracted to someone for the first time.
If you look at how people reacted to the existence of the original Venus, it doesn't seem like mixing them up with female turtles was an option either.
@@EternalRoman Is it really though? Zoophilia isn't bad because humans and animals look different, it's bad because animals aren't intelligent enough to consent. Since both sides are sapient in this scenario, what's the problem?
@@saucevc8353 An interesting question, though, no, not really. The fact that both are now intelligent, doesn't make them the same species. If you go down the science of it all, aside of physiology, there's the microbiology of it all.
Imagine for a minute that the Mutated animal is a cat, becoming Anthropomorphic, he becomes intelligent, like the character Old Hob in the IDW comics of the TMNTs. He falls in love with a human female, then they decide to have intimacy, when it comes to coitus, his member is covered with spines like a cat and can you guess what happens to the human female?
There's a reason people and animals are not to have intimacy, the answer is obvious even in the line of fantasy like in the TMNTs. The Turtles are anthropomorphic amphibious reptiles, and humans are mammals.
I can't believe that this has to be explained.
I think mikey left with the krang
not the kraang the ultromes sence in mirage kraang do not excesit
Man, you have to lose the epic voice over AI. It's annoyingly fake.
I did.
4 minutes in GET TO THE DAMN POINT ALREADY.
The video includes chapters.
Those four minutes are already the point by the way. Explaining the events of that future without understanding who wrote them and when, is not going to give you an educated view on the subject (if you watched the whole video, you will already know why).
I do not enjoy making videos longer than they should be, so if the video takes a while to get into the meatier stuff, it's for a good reason.
Can you trust me on this?