This iconic Mormon musical is GOD AWFUL (Saturday's Warrior)
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- They really said, "traditional families," in the gayest way possible.
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To answer Samantha's question, Mormon couples are able to have lots of kids because they parentify the oldest ones, specifically eldest daughters. My parents had 8 kids, of which I am the second-born eldest daughter. We were all spaced about 2 years apart. Even though I had one older brother, I was often treated as if I was the oldest when it came to responsibilities like cooking, cleaning and watching my younger siblings. If my mom had to run errands and my dad was around, I was still often left in charge of the kids. My role in our family system was to be the second mom/third parent. My mom told me many times as I grew up that she couldn't have done it without me. Saturday's Warrior feels like a core part of my childhood and I actually really loved it when I was still a member of the church. The ideas it portrays that you shouldn't limit the amount of children you have because you made covenants with each other in the pre-existence had a real effect on my family of origin. I have CPTSD now, due in no small part to my parentification. But at least some of the music is catchy!!
So relatable. In therapy trying to learn how to parent myself. Because not only did I NOT get proper parenting, but I was required to parent my younger siblings. Sorry but a child doesn’t have enough grasp on life to raise other children. I feel like that should be obvious 🫥
Diva of Musical Hell said how messed up that part was when she did a review of the remake. She also stated how disgusting it was that Jimmy had to be the cause of everybody’s problems.
Oldest child and daughter here; I’ve had the exact same experience! Definitely have CPTSD. Something is terribly wrong in a family when more is expected of a 12 year old girl than a father who chose to have children.
Absolutely made my ex watch Saturday’s Warrior at the start of our relationship so he could “understand me.” 😂
Very important
Stephanie Meyer (famously mormon author of Twilight) writing Edward to be super hot for Bella's long, modest Khaki skirt has GOT to be inspired by the dancers in the airport scene.
I didn't know she was Mormon when I first read the series until the middle of 'New Moon' where I had to stop reading because it was bizarrely similar to my indoctrinated upbringing.
We used to watch this movie all the time growing up and HOLY FUCK I am having such flashbacks watching this while also unpacking even more “how the hell did I get that trauma”. I left the church at like 12 and people often say they don’t get to marriage stuff and woman’s roles in the church until you become a teen. But nah. It’s all there in everything you consume and kids are receptive and pick up on those things.
I'm getting Elder Price and Elder Cunningham vibes from those two future humble missionaries.
Funny. Diva of Musical Hell said the same exact thing! And she even inserted a clip of You And Me But Mostly Me as Wally was talking and the lyrics matched his mouth moving.
It took me a whole year to get over the idea that I had an obligation to provide bodies for people who don't exist. I'm SO glad I waited through that and I am deciding to not have any more kids after my only. That shit is SO prevalent and might be the hardest thing from Mormonism for me to shake so far
If you skipped "We've All Got Daddy's Nose," you missed the immortal line "Even Mommy does!" 😂
Come to think of it… 💀
Literal YEARS ago I watched a video where Tanner sang part of Zero Population and as a theatre kid it stuck in my head so well that a few months ago I watched the movie version (shockingly different than the original version and I recommend you watch and compare them) and this version. Never mo but was the family friend of a Mormon family in high school (nearly all of them went into theatre as their older sibling was aging out) which is how I got into Jimmy snow in his Mr Atheist days and then you guys. And now I’ve spent like 6 full hours of my life watching both versions of Saturdays Warrior on my own AND this entire video
Yay Tanner absolutely hit the nail on the head. If you think about the ‘eternal family’ and the empty chair, who’s parents will we be with? Mine or my hubby’s - and what about my Mum? Will she be with her parents and with me as well, and what about grandad? Does that mean all my cousins will be there? And their spouses? And their spouses’ parents? It goes on ad infinitum, I just don’t get how nobody seems to notice it doesn’t actually make any logical sense
What I was taught the last couple of years that I was in the church is that everyone needs to be sealed to each other, and sealing families is the way they go about that. Eventually everybody will be connected somehow through sealings. I don't remember what the point of it was, and I don't know if that was just my ward. We had a lot of unconventional members/beliefs taught.
I had a brother on a mission when I left the church. He wrote me a letter telling me not to. Family manipulation tactics are real! Then he got sent home. Lol. He left the church few years later.
Saaaame
You should read the book Saturday's Warrior written by Linda Thompson, loosely based on the musical. It was sold in Deseret Book in the 80s. It's super creepy and leans way way more into ableism and anti-communism. It's also super hardcore about soul mates and deals made by spirits before coming here. If I remember correctly, it also says that everyone willingly chose any disability they have, which is still kinda pseudo-doctrine in Mormonism. It really stuck with me as a kid.
Well this just got much more depressing and disturbing then it already was. 😟 Especially considering, the fact that I am Autistic. I have dealt with this teaching, and perspective, my entire life. 🫠
I feel so sorry for all of us who grew up with these twisted messages. What a fun way to process, though! Thanks, Zelph 💜
Amen. It felt so weird to rewatch this in that context for the first time, but still have the old feelings associated with it & the music ... though seeing the ridiculousness of the golden investigator/convert certainly helped!
44:49 that's so f-ed up that they chose his bday surprise party that he didn't even want to announce her pregnancy
Whoever edited this one went insane lmao
Tanner spent just so many hours on it and we are so grateful for him!!!!!
My parents used to tell a story of a stage production in UT in the late 70s. Legend goes that as they're singing,"who are these children coming DOWN" someone they knew fell off a cat walk, I think it was above the audience??? Can't remember details, but I think there was at least a broken leg?🤷 Anyway, the comedic timing of someone falling right at that line was cracking my Dad up decades later.😳🤭😅🤣
Oh my god!!!!!
Sooo excited for this. I low-key thought all the bad influence crowd was hot af 😆 Deep down I secretly wanted Jimmy to explore that side of himself lol
jimmys hot girl summer is absolute squad goals
And they have the best songs! (At least in my opinion 😂)
We should make the guys at God Awful Movies watch this.
I think they did… 🤭
@@JB-xx3vpthey still haven’t done Charly though
@@RawlzMovies ha true!
They did! It’s a great episode 🤣
Definitely watch the remake and critique it with Noah Illisions
[ Trigger Warning - Miscarriage ] I'm really surprised to realize that this movie greatly influenced my young-mormon-understanding about when "spirits" enter bodies. In this movie the spirit waits in heaven until the moment of birth. This would be a progressive christian belief by today's standards because it implies that the spirit is not in the baby-body yet and thus the baby-body, being an empty shell, can be lost without harming a spirit. But how does this understanding mesh with the lived-experience of mother's who have lost children through miscarriage? Does this mean that all those mothers who cling to the memory of their lost children are just clinging to empty shells? Or does it mean that your spirit-child will never get a body since it was never "born"? Yuck, this opens some large worm-cans and neither of these sounds healthy to believe. I know we'll ask a prophet! What? oh.... they dont actually speak to god and therefore can't really answer anything? Hmmmmm i guess we'll never know then because there is no other way of knowing things unless god tells us through a prophet. I certainly cannot be expected to trust my own conclusions.
I'm in awe. For example, I can't believe the slap?! And how it wasn't handled at all after it happened, basically just normalizing physical violence (at least coming from the father in the family)... The father didn't even say sorry or show remorse in any way
YEP 🥶
Because he wasn't sorry. It gets justified as "righteous anger" like Jesus flipping tables and whipping people, and he's the "head of the family" and "practicing righteous dominion."
Especially during the 80s, that kind of behavior was practically condoned.
Please do My Turn on Earth next! Watching you do Saturdays Warrior was more healing than I expected. I grew up loving musicals and my Dad and I obsessed over Mormon musicals. Thank you for this. ❤
Seconded! My turn on earth was such a big part of my childhood.
Yes!!!! 🙌🏻
I cannot tell you how cathartic it was to watch this episode. I watched Saturday’s Warrior a million times growing up. My many siblings and I sang all the songs together. Sam and Tanner, thank you for reviewing it and helping me process a lot of my feelings toward this and how it shaped who I was.
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Thanks for this, you wonderful treasures! I didn’t have the courage to face revisiting this nonsense without my hand held, but I’m at a part of my faith journey where this unpacking of these pieces of the pop culture that inform the shape of my cage is necessary. You have done so so so much good with the weyland series, and I did hope you’d get around to this one.
Thank you so much!!!!! 🩵🩵🩵🩵🩵
Jimmy Durante was a singer/comedian who had a big nose. The Osmsnds sang "I’m a ding dong daddy from Dumas county and you ought to see me do my stuff. " Zero population was a big thing in the 70s. This was first performed in California in 1973. I saw that performance. I joined the church in 1972 at age 20. I had the soundtrack and I believed it all and lived it to the best of my ability. I left the church in 1984. I appreciate the way you two always cut through all the bullshit and help me see reality.
Omg I remember the “ding dong daddy” song from Nathan For You!!!
I heard about Jimmy Durante first from “The Ballad of Jimmy Durante” by the Blanks. Thanks for sharing!
Tanner is unhinged in this episode in the best way and I'm here for it.
SO GOOD! Beautiful editing, Tanner!
And Banksy is such a star 😭😭😭
"There's just so much stuff but then nothing at the same time in the end." Feels like a pretty accurate description of Mormonism as a whole.
And the guilt about orphan spirit children waiting up in heaven is no joke. Part of why I had my kids was for fear that they would end up in a bad situation if I didn't have them. I wish I hadn't believed they already existed and were already assigned to me. If not, I may have waited longer and been more prepared, or stopped after the first, recognizing that me and my partner had all we could handle already.
Fuck this movie. Fuck it to hell along with what it did to my psyche.
Sam: "Why is his name Todd?"
Me watching the video: "How could his name NOT be Todd?"
You’re so right
The dad (32:00) is Marvin Payne, you might see his folk records at the DI. Hubby grew up with the Payne family in Alpine. His kids are all amazing musicians and most have left the church.
Marvin does look like Jame Taylor, and he’s still totally faithful.
Holy musical batman, that was a wild ride. If only Jimmy didn't touch his sisters thigh, god might have let her be a dancer.
I watched this for the first time in high school and it really bothered me 😂 the so-called "bad" kids make valid points, and Jimmy's dad behaves horribly to him! Not to mention the yikes use of miscarriage and death in service of character development, backwards and rigid gender roles… I was not, and still am not, a fan. If the songs were better, I could look past a lot, but I'm pretty meh on the music 😭
"Is that breastfeeding? Oh, it's Axl Rose."
That line sent me 😂
At a priesthood camp when I was like, 16 max, the more recent version of Saturday's Warrior was the movie they selected. As someone who wrote stories as a hobby, and a musician in my high school orchestra, I just remember feeling like this was the most unfocused plot I'd ever seen, and I felt like none of the songs had rhyme or cadence. It was like someone was just speaking but...singing their speak. And I thought all that as a still super-devout, enthusiastic, nerdy mormon kid. I instantly liked every church movie I'd ever seen just because it was a church movie- all except this one. It is that bad. I really empathize with Tanner. One time was one time too many for me- I can't imagine listening to this shit on the way to church repeatedly 😵💫
The foreshadowing of ‘what if I go astray’ and ‘I’d die for you’ given Emily gets miscarried the first time because Jimmy is being an ass….
I only saw it once before now, and as soon as she said that, I was like "…they did not…" 😳💀
Does that make Emily Jimmy's savior?
Tanner please never stop editing because it made the video so so good. Worth the wait and the hype
Tanner's editing is awesome! I'd never seen this monstrosity as a nevermo... but I'm glad to see it like this
The looks of horror on Samantha's face 😄
Tanner is SO Jimmy coded. Petition for a production of Saturday’s warrior starring tanner
Why did all kids in movies and TV in the 70s and 80s have that same voice? You know the voice I mean. Kids don't sound like that anymore and I wonder why!
So the dance scene had a huge impact on me. I always wanted to be a ballet dancer after that. Also everyone is a really talented singer and I unironically love the soundtrack.
I think this is one of my favorite episodes! This movie triggers me by bringing back so many memories. Not only do I recall it playing in the nursery during Conference but I had a church friend whose family literally watched it every Sunday. You should do *MY TURN ON EARTH* next that one has songs that are embedded in my brain to this day.
Y’all are such eggs and roses. Can’t thank you enough.
The fact that Chad Daybell quoted the song “Circle of Our Love” from this musical to Lori in his novel he wrote for her adds a whole new layer to all of it.
Ahhhhhhhhh
I'm so excited I'm not the only one who noticed this!
@@missloo12 I noticed it too. And Lori knew exactly what he was quoting from I'll bet.
Literally finished watching this to turn to social media and find a family member fretting over how difficult it is to get 3 kids under 2 out the door...
That does sound really hard haha 🙈
I'm glad we're here together. It isn't good to be alone, it isn't good.
Diva of Musical Hell did a review on the remake of this musical and she sarcastically said “Remember kids, if you get into a fight with your parents and your dad becomes physically abusive, you will cause your pregnant mother to miscarry and it’s *your* fault your sweet little baby sister isn’t born!” when the dad slapped Jimmy. She really did not go easy on it and even said how horrible it was that the movie kept trying to make Jimmy the bad guy for just wanting to be an individual.
My friend from high school is the super cool stud in the Levi jacket at the 28-minute mark. I lost it when he appeared on screen. I had no idea!
Omg!
I think it is so hilarious that Tanner can sing all the songs!
This film looks absolutely atrocious.
Thank you so much 💗💗
Sleepy Banksy really made this video
Idk how I went my whole life without knowing about this but thank you for introducing it to me
This is the source of 30 years of Mormon Womens' trauma.
Saturday's Warrior, not Zelph. 😉 You two are a treasure. 😁
omg have yall seen My Turn On Earth? I totally forgot about it until watching this - I remember watching that mormon musical on my grandparents VHS and listening to the music so much.
I need someone to watch this play and review it. I keep getting the music stuck in my head!
I expect this will be my first and last dalliance with Saturday's Warrior XD
Cat is an icon 🐈
Tanner is really enjoying this 😂🤣. And i love seeing it.
Words cannot describe how excited I am for this ❤
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Spamming comments bc ya'll deserve the interaction. I remember watching this as a kid and some things are just too real. I'm the 6th of 12 kids and I remember being so mad when my parents had my youngest sister when I was 14. My parents definitely had the mindset of this musical.
I love that the best they can do is have the oldest brother be vaguely aware of climate issues. Such a weird thing to make a whole musical about.
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I'm #6 of 7 kids and I also sometimes had my moments of being mad at my parents for having so many kids. 😬 It was hard sometimes growing up with parents that were getting old, especially since my mom was chronically ill. And worrying about finances.
My dad is the youngest of nine kids. Our family aren’t Mormons nor have we ever been. It’s just that my grandpa was married twice and had seven kids before meeting my grandma and having two more. My oldest aunt I think was 17 years older than my dad. My oldest cousin is only four years younger than my dad and he’s 74. Her two kids are older than me.
I grew up as a Mormon teenager in the 1980s and cannot believe I never came across this. The first time I recall hearing about this was hearing John Dehlin mentioning it on Mormon Stories just a few years ago. I am only two years younger than John, and was a fully active member in the 1980s and 1990s, and this completely passed me by. Maybe growing up well outside of the Mormon Corridor had something to do with it.
Why is it that horrible books/movies have to have a scene with a parent slapping their teenage son
I am shocked by how bad that was. thank you for going through it. but wtf was that??
Worst musical ever. Managed to be relatable/feel like life in mormonism in all the wrong ways. we do love seeing the musical theater kid side of zelph on the shelf tho
I loved this movie as a kid. Lol. I used to quote to my older bro to not forget his promise. 😭😂
Random thought: Would Eve be Adam's sister or his daughter? Considering that she technically is related to him.
Why couldn't god just create Eve like he did Adam?
Because women suck and that would ruin the image and make us think they’re equal, which, I repeat, they are NOT because they don’t have outie genitals and that is bad and gross.
I reckon Eve is more in the clone category; his DNA being used to create another (and I use this term loosely) “human”.
It’s definitely one of the weirder bible concepts. Still better than twilight tho omg
If Eve is technically a clone and had sex with Adam, he had sex with himself, who is male, which means Adam was gay.
See, I can make shit up too.
Because God has an incest kink? 😅
My question is about how right wing Christians claim that God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. If that is true then where do people named Steve come from? They aren’t made by God because you specifically said that God didn’t make Steve. This is the reason why you should never tell an autistic person such things. We will start asking questions about what you’ve said in the most literal sense to which you probably can’t explain.
because he tried that already and the wife refused to be subservient to Adam, so God kicked her out and decided to make Adam a wife that was derivative of him as that would somehow prevent her from wanting equality
KNEEWHORE? 😭😭
I was raised evangelical and this reminded me of a musical we did in youth group called “The Big Picture: A Youth Musical About God's Providence”. I literally have forgotten everything about the musical other than the song lyrics and that it kind of felt like this one…..
Arghhh! You skimmed through what I considered was the best song from the show. You know, the one which I gather was sung by the bench guy with the glasses in this version. I don't remember the words at the start of the song or the title but I catch myself singing it on occasion - "And in his eyes he's not afraid, because you see he's got it made. The dream of what I'd really, really like to be. A man with courage in his brow, whose lost his doubts and fears somehow. A warrior of great nobility. And who am I, just a wandering kid, a cipher on the wall, not even brave at all" and so on. I bet Tanner could sing a wicked version of this if he wanted to. No shade bro. I noticed in the comments that some people suggested you do a follow up with "My Turn on Earth". Personally, I think the songs were better in the latter musical, notably the one where Jesus and Satan have a dialogue about their opposing stance on a plan of salvation. Thinking more about it, who could not be moved by the songs "Where on earth can I find heaven?" or by the spooky introduction to "I'm not ready" when the character Barbara is called to return home sooner than she expected. Earlier on, who could fail to see the humour (Brit spelling) in the catchy vaudeville song "Everybody ought to have a body"? Over to you guys to send it up as you wish. As for me, this Saturday's warrior realised long ago that Sunday will not come.
I still have an emotional response to that song. The idea that a person can want to find themself or do and be better. I think it’s pretty powerful.
This was a fun watch! Thank you for all the work you put into it!
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I joined the church at 19, this was my baptism present. I loved this movie! I loved the messages and the music. I haven't been to church in years, but it hasn't changed how I feel about this movie. I have been to the temple as well. It really is an amazing experience. I just wish all churches would offer some of what the LDS church offers. I don't agree with everything.
Kids, Pringles, Lays, I can’t stop at just one!!!
So happy to see the final product, can’t wait to sing along with Tanner to all of these songs bc they are in my head now 😂
According to IMDB the director has done special effects on mainstream Hollywood blockbusters such as The Terminator and Goonies.
I saw the stage play as a kid back in the 70s and loved it. We had the album and had all the songs memorized.
Reliving the worst movie of my childhood with zelph on the shelf is something I didn’t know I needed 😂
So many flashbacks, and i was a convert like Sam.
Also, did you know there's a sequel. I think its called Star Child, and its so much worse. Its so bad it makes Saturday's Warrior look like a Hollywood blockbuster.
Ahhhhhhhhh
Jimmy Durante was a famous comedian. His trademark was his large nose and the sound that chick made.
And he was the narrator of the Frosty cartoon
Technically this is a cat video.😊
My friend is the youngest of nine children. Her parents' story is interesting. They were part of a zero-children group in the 70s (60s?), then somehow got converted to Mormonism and had nine children, then later left the church and became Unitarian Universalists. I don't know the details in between all those steps, but I bet it's interesting.
(Mormon commentary part 1)
Mormon here! Thought I’d give my two
Cents on this from a cultural perspective. I can’t speak for everyone in the church since everyone has a differing experience but I’ll share my perspective.
I love this musical so much. It’s such a core piece of my childhood.
It’s important to realize that while the 70s and 80s were punctuated by many social and political changes as the flower children of the 70s rebelled against their parents- there was also an undercurrent of nostalgia towards family values.
Media involving strong family values dynamics were extremely popular in mainstream culture in the late 70s 80s and early 90s. Think of shows like Full House, The Cosby Show, different strokes etc.
There was this cultural zeitgeist of having a large interconnected family that deeply loved each other. Child actors were often utilized which led to over acting and wooden performances. The jokes in shows like Full House were corny and tame by design. Conflicts were kept to a minimum and could be resolved by a heart to heart chat and a hug by the end a 23 minute episode block.
For many people who did not grow up with healthy family dynamics or who came from broken homes- media like Full House (or even Saturday’s warrior) served as an escape from reality to a simpler far more inviting reality. Viewers could vicariously experience what it was like to have a loving healthy family, and many craved that. That is why media like this was so common and so popular in that era.
Compare saturdays warrior to other family oriented media of the age and you’ll find a lot of overlap. It’s simple, cheesy, feel good entertainment.
Nowadays, popular media tends to lean more into modernist cynicism, meta commentary, and more self aware humor. So a play like this doesn’t resonate with audiences in the same wag that it would have 40 years ago and should be considered within its historical context.
I've been looking forward to this so much! ❤
Can you guys do a live sims and make the characters from this movie in sims?
Omg a dream idea!!!
I bet I can still sing this entire soundtrack 😂
saaaaame and now it’s been stuck in my head for weeks 😭
@@ZelphOntheShelfoh nooooo 😂 I'm so sorry! I wouldn't wish some of those songs on my worst enemy 💀
Have you considered doing a comparison video of the two Saturday Warrior movies? There's a newer version with a slightly bigger budget set in the 70s.
OH YES
Diva of Musical Hell commented on how cheap and generic the entire movie seems to be and that it’s like the producers spent the entire budget shopping at Goodwill for clothes from the 70s
Zero Population isn't about eugenics. It's about the zero population growth movement, which advocated for births and deaths per year being roughly equal by encouraging people to not have more than 2 children.
However, in the 1980s, this movement began a more aggressive campaign supporting abortions.
So, the song is really about demonizing abortion rights. And absolutely this musical informed my opinions about abortions growing up. Legal abortions were clearly evil and against god, and that was my opinion until I became an adult and had a pregnancy scare while in an abusive marriage.
It is messed up.
The cat's going I am so bored
Banksy’s lived 8 previous lives so this is all a bit dramatic for him
Sex isn't integral to being human for everyone, neither is romance. For the people they're important to? It matters, and being denied that on arbitrary religious grounds is harmful. But it's also harmful to imply that people without those things (including asexual and aromantic folks) are missing something about being human. I've noticed some comments like this from y'all before, and want to call y'all out to do better. (and I am aromantic myself)
Oh this was at 12:00 or so in the vid
We certainly never mean to imply that people who don’t have sex for any reason are missing out on the authentic human experience, and we apologize for communicating in a way that even unintentionally signaled that . sometimes its hard to say everything right when speaking extemporaneously and we really do appreciate friendly suggestions on how to improve our language. so thank you ❤
@@ZelphOntheShelf I appreciate your response and totally understand that it wasn't intentionally anything bad ❤️
Sonic boom of that slap caused the baby to d1e. Props to Major Guile
I'M SO HAPPY YOU FINALLY DID THIS HOLY SHIT
Where can one see the whole movie?
Gotta respect the timing of that slap!
I have been exposed to this travesty countless times since I was a very young child in the late 80’s/early 90’s. My mom owned not just the VHS but also the soundtrack on LP, cassette AND the sheet music…we’d listen and sing along to it at least once a week. As a small Mormon Utah family of 7, we were like the Von Trapps without the unpleasant nazi association, we all sang different parts and would get really into our renditions…cringe. But in all seriousness, I think this musical may have helped my mom process/comforted her following multiple late term miscarriages. My youngest sibling is delivery room adopted and we were always reminded that he was all of our little siblings wrapped up in one who were trying to come down from heaven before but didn’t make it. I’m an atheist now, but the sentiment behind that thought is nice and comes directly from this godawful musical as well as Mormon doctrine.
The number of times that my family watched johnny lingo is actually embarrassing
The music guy for this is Brian Blosil, Marie Osmond’s second ex-husband.
I have seen it multiple times and thought it was "so great" as a youth in the 90s.
I still randomly break out into these songs 😂 I don’t remember the last time I saw this movie and haven’t been Mormon for over a decade
44:52 Sam's and Tanner's faces in this shot should be a gif!
Every summer, i feel this pull to my LDS roots, and i watch this out of pure spite and nostalgia.
Funny thing, i only saw it once growing up (a LOT of it flew over my head) but i got a decent amount of 80-90's LDS growing up. Its... a vibe i suppose 😂
I’ve so been looking forward to this one.
I've watched so much zelph at this point I think I can tell who edited which video. Unless I'm way off, but I think Tanner edited this one.
Yes!!
I love this video. It's so endlessly entertaining and I have no idea why.
One of the many church movies of my childhood 😅😆 watched it maybe once a week?? Loved the music lol this and my turn on earth