Why Forza Horizon 5 Is "Dead"
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- I wanted to explain why Forza Horizon 5 is considered "dead" (even if I may not agree with that) by many despite the game's successful launch - and there might be reasons most didn't consider at first that are contributing to the problem.
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Everyone saying the map is big but the roads are so repetitive that feels small, i would like to see more traffic on the roads. In FH4 we had drag lights and traffic lights, it seems in mexico they dont exist. It feels soulless and repetitive.
Another thing with this is the emptiness of it, FH2 and 3 felt somewhat representative of their locations. Fh5 just feels like your dithering about in the middle of bumbfuck nowhere. There are very few towns, one small "city". To a point where it doesnt even feel like a real place.
@@wheeder_823 yeah. Fh4 you felt like you were going places, same with fh3 and 2, never played fh1 so I can't comment there
@@RayOLight 1 definitely felt like it. Traveling from the forest to red rock was amazing for its time.
Yeah i hated ghost recon breakpoint for the same reason. Devs got lazy and used the island lockdown as a reason to leave it empty.
I don't think it's that they're repetitive, its just that generally you can go pretty much anywhere in the map on roads that don't require any breaking which makes driving around the map pretty boring
Same formula different location. At this point I just want the new test drive.
I'm sooo hyped for TDUSC omg, I'm just kinda worried cuz KT has never made an open world game
I would say the same about FH1 but I can barely even consider it open world when it's just a bunch of race tracks mashed together.
Exactly we are all waiting for TDUSC
@@markthegamedriver hang on, there is a new TDU coming?
@@MitchZero9 yup
@@HKSFangirl will there be mod support? if there is then this will be fucking crazy
It doesn’t help that in FH5 things just kinda feel… handed to you, like with unlocking the festivals you could get all of them in a day pretty much, the accolades are handed to you like crazy
The games wayyyy to noob friendly lol
FH5: HEY!! Did you just won a extraeasy race???
Here have a Supra, and a mclaren, and money, and another car
And more money
The main problem of horizon saga (Since 3 until 5) its that its EXTREMELY FRICKING EASY to get things, you dont have to practice, you dont have to farm money, you dont have to replay races lots of times bcause they are a real Challenge (thing that Horizon 1 and 2 did)
@Young Skywalker yeah but the whole point on getting the cars, is that feel like you earned it, yes it is cool that you do get the awesome ones pretty much from the get go, but they seemed to have taken the “you earned this” sorta thing
@Young Skywalker It makes the game incredibly boring in the long run, plus there’s no sense of accomplishment.
There's almost no progression, limitations, or reward for your time other than ticking off boxes and watching numbers go up. You get everything right away and it gets old real fast. What made racing games fun in the 2000s (Gran Turismo, early Forza) was that they were basically RPGs that made you make choices in what cars and upgrades you bought because you only had so much money early on.
Challenge came from things like "Could I win that race while saving a few credits by not upgrading my car all the way to the performance limit." I'd get attached to cars and feel sad to sell them but need the money to progress.
FH5 just gave me a C8 right away and I could afford to max upgrade it immediately... What's the point? No car ever feels like mine, just disposable.
Glad i was already getting game pass for a couple months to play Halo, because i was bored of FH5 in 3hrs and wouldn't be happy if I bought a copy of the game. Halo Infinite is fun at least.
I must 100% agree with you in this everything comes to easy, and I remember that feeling from GT to feel connected to your car and have to sell it lol
soo true, wheelspins are also too OP because you can easily get an amazing car and 250 thousand credits
I agree. I remember back in FH1 you got an old VW Corrado, and that was your only option until you earned enough to make it faster or buy a new car, even then it was the Evo X or STi. Jumping to FH5, for the road focused cars you get to choose between two current age cars, the C8 and the MK5, which are even already modified.
Been like that for a decade. Pick another game?
100% with you here
They need to go back to the origins of forza horizon 1 were your cars had to be a certain class and eligible to race with for different events
or just make a new motorsport game
The Forzathon challenges.
@@Maddiedoggie ye i guess ur right but i think it would be cool to see a return to track based racing rather than openworld
YES
YES PLEASE. FH1 was the best, and while you can only do that certain story once without it seeming cliche (duh) it would be nice to basically have a "remastered" FH1 where money wasn't just expendable and you had to WORK to progress the festival and you could not do certain tasks without a different colored wristband
For me I think FH5 lacks of interesting streets to race. It would have been awesome if they added some important cities of Mexico (like CDMX or San Pedro), I like urban landscape more than natural one, and the only city in the game is Guanajuato. The map is really big, but it doesn't have interesting things and places to see. Ya know Mexico also has a lot of cities and important places.
Fax!
Yup, it feels empty as heck, and there's no peds in the city like wtf?, Even fh3 have it and the city feels alive
The worst thing for me about FH5 is just how barren the landscape is. It would be nice to drive through cities like Surfers Paradise or Edinburgh, but the game just feels empty. It feels like they have put minimal effort in to the rendering of architecture and relied more on natural scenes of scrub, bush, desert etc to fill the picture.
I have played Horizon since FH1 and can honestly say that FH5 is the worst one yet, and that is before all the bugs, restrictive gameplay, limited tuning options, toxic players and cut and paste cars are in the mix.
Players have repeatedly asked for more customisation, like body sculpting, wide body kits and more engine swaps but they refuse to acquiesce to our wish lists. Instead they throw emotes, clothes and tacky one liners at the Forza Faithful.
Forza Horizon needs a rethink and a overhaul. Maybe it has gotten too big? Things usually go bad when they get so big because they start to cater for the numbers, the average and the lowest common denominator :(
I came from FH3 and miss the built up areas and beaches. I did not play FH4 but am thinking of going to grab it on sale right now just for the towns. I live in the UK though so am wondering if it would bore me.
@@Mopantsu FH4 is ok, the only thing better in FH5 is the engine sounds imo, and I would check it out on game pass before committing to the purchase xD
For me the technical issues kill it for me, like how is it that they haven't fixed that damn memory leak issue, it's been there since launch
FH4's base game map was barren compared to FH5, what do you mean? it wasn't until Fortune island that we actually got a nice downhill with some good road design. The mainland felt so flat, the roads were huge, smooth and bland like they were autogenerated, and in winter it was all covered in snow anyway. in FH5 we get lots of different types of roads like the Volcano, Canyons, jungle, desert etc. Edinburgh was literally just a grid square with traffic and clutter, i don't see why you miss it...
The new car models they do look amazing. They need to trim the fat, get the car list down to about 100, and have all of them be super high quality with more customisation options.
Completely agree. They are adding the McLaren 765 LT this week, a car I really want… but I just can’t be bothered to go through the same old festival playlist borefest. They change it in terms of types of events each week but it just ain’t cutting it. Great video Jake 👍🏻
Should we play 2 star gt7 then bro?
Seems like a YOU problem
@@dennisraeimakers5218 I think the 56 likes might disagree
@@2007ghettonissanaltima yeah but we don’t get to see the dislikes 🤷🏻♂️
@@aaronweb1729 gt7 better than fh5
Beautiful game. But completed too quickly and became boring very quickly afterwards 😔
Honestly, it’s now or never, to say that the Forza franchise has completely fallen into absolute failure. The game lacks proper progression to actually allow the player to push harder into getting high-tier vehicles, but instead, the game would throw almost everything at you in less than 3 hours of playing, and it just makes it worthless, there’s absolutely no motivation to push harder to get better vehicles. Don’t get me started on how Forza Horizon 5 has lost 75% of players after a few months of release, simply because the game lacks almost anything to do. Many people couldn’t last a week into the game. The online mode is horrible, customization is lackluster, the map is huge, but at the same time, most of it is deserted and plain, making it feel lifeless.
Need For Speed games however, have proper progression and better maps. Not only that, but also with police chases, more customization, better graphics etc, which is why the NFS franchise is more popular than the train wreck Forza. Enjoyment within NFS is non-stop while you reach halfway in Forza and feel bored instantly. Even The Crew series is more enjoyable than any Forza game. I won’t be wasting any shit on Forza even if I was forced to do so anyway.
Even though Horizon 5 is still successful since launch, I think that there isn't anything else to do in the game, especially the progression system and the festival playlist which is similar to Horizon 4
Ranked is the single reason people keep coming back to fh4 and fh5 slowly drying out
I wanna go back to a Horizon 1 where we progress through the Horizon. Not have everything at our hands
Ikr
I understand where you come from but man you lack imagination I just put together a race for 1920s and 1930s racers ever heard of boardtrack racing it's mental
@@kylestacks3292 I agree but a lot of people lack imagination so they need to be led to such events. That's why progression is so important, it gives people ideas and goals they may never even think about.
Fun fact the Porsche 911 sports classic was part of the March Jalopnik Car Pack for Forza Motorsport 3, the Porsche Expansion Pack for Forza Motorsport 4, and the Car Pass for Forza Horizon 5…meaning play ground games made us pay for this car, not once, not twice but 3 times. Yep this car was locked behind a paywall 3 separate time….
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And everyones consoomer brain fell for it
I still play almost everyday. Don't care all that much for updates or any of that ''live service'' stuff. I just like driving. Was hopping we'd get a Motorsport game before this but I guess I'll have to wait then. My only complaint with this game is that Alfa Romeo is missing...
Well speech my fellow average horizon enjoyer
Alfa and Lancia missing are really my only gripes with the game
Seat is missing too
Yeah just a drive....lovely! But when your backfire gets missing...again... Well it can piss you off ;D
WHERES THE 33S DAMNIT
The lack of competition in the open world racing genre has seemed to really catch up to Forza Horizon. This seems to have prevented Playground from taking more risks, and I think that a new Driveclub or Burnout could really level the competition and push the developers at Playground to make the best game possible.
Midnight club needs to show ‘em how it’s done
Hater
We just have to wait for tdu solar crown
@@unnderneath midnight club LA is the goat of open world racing games. And there were 3 things that it had horizon doesnt. A story with a character not a custom character. Bikes. And cops
@@BOS-v2x that game is gonna be shit
FH1 was a huge success because it felt like a true festival with bosses and living campaign that encouraged you to keep fighting to the top to get out of racing commuter cars and into the top echelon.
FH5 everything is dumped on you and you are just given a list of chores to do with no incentive.
I don't understand how Playground Games completely missed WHY FH1 was such a genre defining hit.
ALSO: WHEN YOU DESIGN A GAME FOR EVERYONE, YOU DESIGN BLAND GARBAGE THAT'S FOR NO ONE.
It was great because it was the first of its kind. Now it's the same shit 4 times over. I could say the same for gran turismo
This exactly!
It's kind of hard for Horizon to return to those roots because the festival scene itself has changed so much. Back in 2012, EDM was a novel and rising genre, while alt rock was at a new high. Now, alt rock has faded in popularity and EDM has become homogenized with pop music and thus pop culture. I'd love it if it could re-capture the atmosphere of the first game, but I also acknowledge it'll be a challenge when the world has changed so much.
I agree, they've changed it so much now it just feels like a shell of what it was supposed to be.
PREACH. Even today if you look on metacritic the highest user score for any horizon game is FH1
AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU
One of the things that I missed from FH1 was the Rivals. The guys that challenge you and if you win, takes their car. Since the FH2 this challenge disappear from the game.
it was in horizon 3
@@aggressiveniceguy7341 drivatars will never come close to darius flynt
@@chrisi7127 that damn mustang
Rivals were in FH4 but you had to drive a specific car, do a clean lap without ANY collision and then you would take a car as a prize
While the game looks beautiful and the map is very well done, I agree. It feels empty and it just gets repetitive after reaching the hall of fame imo and there just isn't enough variation of things to do after the story missions. I also think this game throws money and cars at u while barely having to put in any effort so it just takes away from the fun of having to grind for the cars you want. I have 72 hrs put into the game and own over 100 cars so I just don't have the motivation to hop on the game anymore unless I'm bored and wanna just drive around or do an occasional race
I still like the game and I play a lot. I am into head to head races at the moment. I have about 222 hours and own well over 400 cars. It might make a difference as I am retired and have a lot of time. Lol.
GT7 players are having the exact opposite experience right now lol.
I have played 72 hours so far and also own a similar number of cars as you. I certainly got most of these cars in the first 10-15 hours of play. That says a lot about the progression system in the game, I think.
I also lack the motivation to play because I've done almost everything. On top of that, the multiplayer doesn't interest me at all...
You don't grind for cars in this game, you practice to get good.
@@benn87 For last few weeks I have been doing head to head races in horizon solo. Really having fun there. Haven't gotten bored yet. I only use about 5 cars that are the fastest. The Lambo SE Forza edition with a good tune is my favorite.
The December 3rd patch caused my group of friends and myself to stop playing. We LOVED posting scores to the drift zone leaderboards and trying to beat one another's scores. Then the update happened. All drift zone scoring was reduced by roughly 30% with no mention of it in the patch notes. Now it would have been fine if the devs reset the leaderboards, buuuut, they left the leaderboards as is. So now all of the top scores on the leaderboard are there to stay, unable to be beaten due to scoring less in zones. Way to go guys!
Now I'm the only one from my group that plays. And all I do is rivals leaderboards, which is filled with people who cheated to get high ranked times. This game is a mess.
You, my friend, shouldn't play this game. No offense, but you sound more like the "competitive" kind of player to me. There are PLENTY of games out there, that should help you, ease your itch. Don't get me wrong, but FH 5 is not for specialists and "engine-heads". It was designed, fron the get go, to be enjoyed by casual players. If fighting leader boards is your thing, try ACC, iRacing, Project CARS 1+2 and the likes. If you prefer drifting, go for the Dirt series, Dirt Ralley 1+2 in particular.
@@lordofthenoobies2445 They could easily reset the leaderboards fixing the problem.
@@JubbLaRacing true, but is it really that big of a big issue for a majority of the playerbase? I personally don't think so. I get, where you are coming from, but I doubt, they see it as big as a problem as some players.
@@lordofthenoobies2445 your mindset is perfect example of why games die. It doesn't matter if your casual or competitive. If the game has competitive setting for players who want to be competitive while not hurting casuals when thats great, but do not ignore one group of the players simply because of "ah mate there are only 5 players that care about this, why bother?" once you do that over & over & over more & more players will leave and eventually the same will happen to you once your favorite feature/playing style gets affected negatively by the devs & we'll be here to say "dw mate, no one cares about this". Just because there's less vegetarians doesn't mean that supermarkets should ignore them :)
@@aleksaskuncevicius1434 I totally understand you point. But a game developer doesn't. THEY don't care about the .5 percent of players, chasing drift zone high scores. THEY care about keeping the most players happy, with the least effort/most cost effective way, without killing the game as a whole or damage the franchise. Sometimes not even that, e.g. GT 7... but then again, some players just chose the wrong game, to fulfill their "dream". Certain games may be suited BETTER, to fulfill the needs of a minority. And I tried to give some examples. I am not saying, he was WRONG, I just pointed out, that there will most likely nobody of importance CARE about his issues and that he "might" be better of, trying other games. If all you do after finishing the main story line, is chasing drift zone high scores, you/he just shouldn't play this game, as it wasn't mainly designed to make you/him happy in the first place. I have fallen into this trap MANY times myself, buying a game, ASSUMING, it would be at least as good, as the predecessors... boy have I cursed after the release of GT 7... what a shitshow. But I get your point. ALL players should be heard, because only then can a game dev actually do something, to fix problems.
They need to go back to the hardcore progression of FH1 because u had to actually work for ur cars, also ruining the economy and gifting players way too many cars
My main personal opinion is that they need to stop gifting cars and credits and make people work
I would enjoy a game where the only payout is races. Maybe adjust the car prices, race payouts, and do something with wheelspins. I’m interested to see what they do with the new engine from the motorsport games when it comes to horizon.
I think they just need to make the rewards scale with player level and progression. I shouldn't be gifted the fastest cars in the game after playing for an hour or two. It's not rewarding in any way.
yes they definitely need a system like FH1 but the game has to have more races, content, and just ways to money or different cars. Especially because repeating the same races over and over are not fun especially when a car you want is like 5 million
@@roadchewerpe5759 fr
Mate That’s pretty much the biggest problem, that and lack of story
I agree with your statement that "people feel like they have to play the game to get the playlist cars, just because they feel like they have too" because thats excactly how i feel
one thing to eliminate FOMO : just make every festival rewards available to autoshow 1 month after the season
So someone who puts in the effort to aquire these cars and someone who cant even b bothered should b entitled to the same vehicles? Thats like a sports team who worked all season and put in the effort to play and win the championship game getting on the podium to get their trophy and finding out the deadlast team is given the same trophy it kinda makes that effort to get that prize meaningless. People that cant b bothered an put in no effort shouldnt get anything. FH5 wants you to put in very minimal effort for these cars. People are just lazy these days want something for nothing
That’s not about laziness it’s because most of us don’t have time to play video games everyday like it’s a second job. Look what happened to gt7 and how they implemented the grind to be difficult to obtain cars while subtly push people to buy the mtx.
My point is we aren’t lazy we just cant spend hours upon hours playing the game to earn the cars and when we miss one week we can kiss that car goodbye because of auction house is hard to get because of snipers and overpriced cars.
@@evandaymon8303 I'd absolutely agree with you if it was something like the SVJ, which was an entire overall series reward
But stuff like the 765LT is braindead easy to complete, it took me like 25 minutes, you can't tell me someone can't play for like 5 minutes every other day to complete 1 or 2 objectives, that's just very simple.
or, have another type of challenge after the season, available forever, it will remove the FOMO but also rewards the ones who obtained it at the monthly season and the ones who would obtain later with those post-season challenges
@@evandaymon8303 cmon bruh it does not take that long to earn the festival cars
The BIGGEST problem is the map in my opinion they could’ve picked a better location than Mexico like Japan or something for a majority street/circuit racing game.‼️
Bro if they did that with the current state of custumization in that game i would legit be mad .. they dont know how to make a game with proper costumization soo imagine if they used the Japan map..
True but I love to see an all out street racing type game set in Japan I'm shocked NFS not looked into that pritty simple team if honest when it comes to ideas it a shame I would have so many cool ideas cars lot for game like that but I'm not a game designer 🤣
I know way too many people that prefer to snipe new cars via auction house for 4h while watching yt on their phones, rather than actually doing those easy 20pts tasks to get them. And i do so too. I think it says a lot about fh. Those seasonal challanges became stale and boring very quickly and at this point it's just painful when you even have to focus to finish them. Also lack of new cars from the very beginning killed it a bit too imo. They removed fh4 cars just to add them later. Series 6 is the first actually good series with a lot of new stuff.
I also feel like colors in fh5 are a bit weird. Like faded? They also add to that feeling of boredom.
There is something special in fh3 and fh2 that still makes them more enjoyable.
At this point i just want test drive unlimited solar crown, just to have some refreshing experience which i've had in fh3.
People don't realise that Horizon is kinda aiming towards kids and people who are new to the series, but those who play Motorsports wants Horizon series like that motorsports, but guess what you ain't getting what you want 🙄
I would say that the fomo made me leave this game because while yes horizon 5 is great but the recycled cars just made it a chore to play like why do they have to make the 911 GT3 RS 4.0 “rare” while in the last game you can just buy it in the autoshow also if i remember correctly didn’t the Porsche 911 sport classic first appeared in Forza Motorsport 3 as dlc not only that the 911 sport classic was dlc for three forza games Forza Motorsport 3 and 4 and Horizon 5
The game is literally a copy/paste of horizon 4, zero innovation and zero reason to play 5 over 4.
I basically quit Forza Horizon 5 already for a few reasons
*The Racing Game is no longer about Racing*
Ever since Horizon 4 and the ability for anybody to sell any seasonal car for astronomical prices, 90% of the player base don’t even touch racing events after the game’s introduction, and they are seen as a waste of time, especially the seasonal ones. I know way too many people who will just sit on the auction house for a few hours and hoard a bunch of the new seasonal cars instead of doing the races for them.
*Everything takes longer to do/less interaction*
Since Turn 10 left the Horizon franchise to Playground games solely to develop (FH4 and FH5) they completely changed everything about the online experience. You have to load into an entirely new session to just do a single race. You have to teleport to events and wait for everybody else in online instead of just driving there. What I always loved about the older horizon games was the ability to vote for the championships you wanted instead of being shoved into something like S1 cross country without consent. It seems like PGG is intentionally limiting the choices you have when playing the game, and adding more cars to make up for it. Additionally, it seems like the maps in the newer games are catering more to looks, and not the feasibility of actually racing on them.
*Releasing an unfinished product*
I find it weird how everybody recalls the old horizon games to be better, despite not having many updates. I feel like this is because once Horizon 4 started getting lots of new content, everybody began craving more and more. And when the content didn’t come, the game felt boring and they didn’t play until new stuff came.
*Class Balancing and Physics*
In FH5 and FH4, the cars drive like bricks, and the second you get any tiny bit of oversteer when racing you either lose a lot of time or risk a crash. Additionally, the lack of suspension travel makes off-road driving just feel weird, constantly bouncing over terrain instead of smoothly coasting like Horizon 3 had it.
I still play Horizon 3 and 2 everyday because the tracks are all fun, the cars are (mostly) balances, and the game physics and design are fun and easy to navigate. That’s my hot take lol. Nice video!
The second point includes misinformation - Turn 10 never developed the Horizon games. Playground made all five. They just have assets from Turn 10.
@@TheJakeMG google says it was supported so I assume they still used assets which is why Motorsport and horizon were more similar
All I know is Turn 10 wasn’t credited in FH4 or FH5 so something happened along the line
@@Spherz I think it's just cause Microsoft really wanted to push playground at the forefront of their studios. It almost felt like they didn't want to mention them at all throughout the lifespan of FH1, but as they proved themselves more and more they just took away the Turn 10 branding.
T10’s logo is in the intro whenever you boot FH4 or FH5 up.
Except they never took away T10’s branding.
As a Forza player for 5 years, it has really disappointed me that the launch was so hyped for FH5. But the reality of FH5 is quite boring, the terrain is very repetitive and bland colours are everywhere. Its sad how such a good title and trustworthy series has fallen into this. I hope Turn10 and Microsoft fix this game as many want Forza back to it's original state.
Playground games handles the horizon series morons not turn 10
Sounds like Halo Infinite too
@@malazan6004 It's sad, because Halo didn't even need an open world... And they could have used all that time and power in full-scale battles.
@Iván Mexico is very beautiful. Those who are complaining about its ''repetitiveness'', they did the same with FH4. FH5 map is almost as diverse as FH3. So what if it doesn't correspond with reality of mexican roads, safety etc. Why can't people have something positive about Mexico rather than stereotypical cartel crime and yellow filter all the time. I live on completely other side of the world and I really enjoy Mexican setting. If out of some miracle they ever decide to make a FH game in my country I would lose my mind over it, never minding its obscureness and negatives in real life.
@Iván Playing FH1 is one of my sweetest gaming memories. It made me fell in love with the series. No FH has had that atmosphere since then(sadly I haven't played FH3). I agree with many of FH5 criticisms but the location isn't one of them. Some of Mexican terrain resembles that of Colorado from the first game and it brings back those feelings for me. If only this game was also rated T+, had more engaging story, great progression and had a dedicated DJ to bring more festival atmosphere with the soundtrack like in the first game, it could have been legendary for me. And I get what you're saying about Mexico, but I'm sure the country that you wanted to be in FH5 definitely also has its downsides and obnoxious people. FH isn't meant to be realistic. Sometimes you just gotta relax and enjoy the colorful fantasy.
I bought the game on PC, was super excited to play it with the Logitech G923 and then it was a mess. I have an RTX 3070, and a Ryzen 9 5900X. Even with my specs I would have this flickering problem where the screen would flicker or the game would turn dark. Only ever happened to FH5. On top of that, how freaking annoying it is to get the G923 to work on PC for the game. I hear great things about the wheel on Xbox, but PC was a nightmare. Returned the game and sold the wheel + shifter for profit. Really broke my heart to throw away all the love I had. FH4 was so good, FH5 just didn’t deliver.
On my pc, the whole game looks like its in DVD interlacing, I've tried changing settings and nothing. I checked some forums and turns out its just how some pcs look in the game.
I just wish we would get more visual customization freedom. Being able to install specific body parts instead of installing an entire bodykit in my opinion would be amazing.
This is a fact 💪🏿
if you had the customization gta has but more
@@kungebbe1672 tbh you could prob have even more than that.
I could make a list of atleast a hunder aftermarket aero brands. And thats not even including oem & oem+ stuff.
like nfs heat stuff. also someone needs to start doing bn-sports kits in games, along with interior mods like tsurikawa, handbrake, steering wheel, etc.
@@marshycomics absolutly but it will be hard to implement with such a big car list
Horizon 5 (including 4 and 3) lack the atmosphere of Horizon 1 and 2, which are two games I don't have long time nostalgia for (only first played them in 2018) yet keep coming back to just to enjoy the game world playground created.
Tbh fh3 was the best but fh2 is great game too fh4 car sounds runied it plus dlcs were crap for the expansions hope Fh5 dose the expansions better like 3 lot of people left fh3 for while untill hotwheels was a game changer plus there was as bit prograssion on expanding festival sites build them up each time Fh5 was nothing really to progression with that
Spittin fax!
Although I still play the game daily, I am starting to notice the problems like the game getting a bit boring and repetitive and sometimes playing the game to get a reward instead of me wanting to play.
I think the main problem you mentioned is definitely expectations;
It's a big problem with modern games across all of the industry, they hype the games WAY too much.. Up until this point I just feel like I'm just playing an expansion for Horizon 2, 3 and 4, but they made me think it was going to be very different and new, but that's the thing, they can't change much, as it will be very risky. Of course, you can just set your expectations lower, but not everyone gets that, and there's the risk of players getting disappointed.
Great video overall!
Also, it would be nice if you could make a video about the new Grid game, I played the 10 hour trial and had a lot of fun! Basically, it fixes all of the problems from 2019 and improves upon features from the older grids ;)
This game perfectly encapsulates what happens when you allocate 90% of your budget to the art team, and 10% for the rest of the game
You get bored really fast.
@@r.d.9399 from boring games, yes of course.
I’m honestly glad I played this game on Game Pass, something about Horizon 5 just felt… empty to me in terms of the single player mode and the moment I got to the Hall of Fame I just stopped playing
I didn’t exactly have expectations for Horizon 5, but I honestly think that Horizon should really do something different with the games, I feel like Horizon 5 just feels like an expansion to Horizon 4 instead of a whole new game
They need to bring back Hot Wheels and Blizzard Mountain type stuff but for free. Not DLC's. Also have options like a ride buddy and pet. Having someone sit next to you in the car and chat would be great. They should also expand beyond cars and off road into trucks, buses, maintenace vehciles and military vehicles. Maybe make it a seperate level to not interfere with purists. There is so much more they could offer to add interest if they wanted to. But like any online game release, they just go for the initial cash grab and then allow it to die slowly over time until they eventually turn off the servers as the next game comes out.
Well. I bought it. I just don't like game subscriptions because I usually play my games over a longer period of time. The progression system in Forza Horizon just doesn't feel satisfying. I found the Hall of Fame thing kind of pointless. I don't remember that reaching it has really changed anything....
@@benn87 I agree. It just does not feel as nice as FH3 for some reason. I skipped FH4 but heard good things about it. Maybe I should have got it on sale last week. Oh well. My main gripe with FH5 at the moment is the lack of online drivers. Hitting a convoy and only geting two or three drivers around a Festival is pretty dire. Everyone seems to have left or there is something screwy going on with the servers or software. Oh and having to 'fix' Teredo NAT after a reboot and opening ports in my router just makes it even more annoying.
For a game rated to such high heavens I'm surprised the game felt dead in only a year.
Many people really got tired of Horizon formula.
Releasing so many Forza games in such short time eventually creates franchise fatigue.
So many? It was the first Horizon game in 3 years. We didn't get a new Forza Motorsport for nearly 5 years by now. Hell, there isn't even any Motorsport title available in store anymore. All the licenses already expired.
@@HeavyMetalNerd It's not how long between the release it's about how little "new" FH5 felt.
Fantastic video, and very informative. Even though i haven't played the game, i understand what you mean, from the flaws that need fixing, the FOMO, and the current state of the game. I hope they can fix those issues. Your editing has improved a lot, and i'm looking forward to the next video, because you talk about things few people talk about. As always, great video Jake!
I'm not sure what it was about the first 3, especially FH2 and FH3 for me. But I found myself playing on end for years and it felt amazing. What made horizon, horizon. But FH4 just wasnt right if that makes sense. Good game just didn't feel the same. And FH5 sadly is becoming the same way for me as FH4 after getting the main story and some money I kinda stopped playing it and would come back for new cars that interested me but would only stick around for 15 minutes. IDEK what it is but I miss the magic that FH1 FH2 and FH3 somehow had. Maybe i've gotten older idk lol.
1. Japan would have been a way better setting. We've had the outback/desert environment before. A massive city with breathtaking views would be fantastic. Twisty roads mixed with city.
2. There's not really much of a challenge. GT7 challenges you and makes you work for progression. Wheelspins are wayyyy to rewarding.
3. It almost has the feeling of a mobile game if all the booster packs were free. Everything handed to you right a the beginning.
4. I remember in FH1 you started out as a nobody and had to work your way up to become a famous and well-known driver.
Honestly I was wondering if they were keeping such an obvious choice (Japan) in their back pocket to jumpstart the series for when things get ugly
japan would suck imo
Location would change nothing... People think its such a big impact when its practically irrelevant compared to other things.
@@Xero-rr2ol well I guess we can agree to disagree. I think having a more realistic environment in general though would improve the feel of the game. Look at test Drive unlimited solar crown that's about to come out later this year. It's going to be a one-to-one scale of Hong Kong Island. The Crew 1 had a mix of massive open areas and large city areas. Look at GTA V with its massive City while still having massive open areas in different parts of the map.
Pssh, Do what the crew did. A mock up of the U.S. In a forza horizon. Boom! Plenty to see.
I started with FH2 and the leap between that and FH3 was amazing. The jump to FH4 not as incredible but I loved the game all the same and put 100's of hours into it. But when FH5 came out it felt almost identical to FH4 just a blander map. I have spent 50-100 hours in FH5 and feel like im just grinding out FH4 again. It's not an issue with expectations but a cut and paste game that brought very little new to the table. When usually the series has pretty big jumps of content and upgrades from previous titles they should have waited for the overhall and I will definitely be waiting a few months in the release of FH6 before buying to make sure they didn't fall into the same failures as they did with FH5.
The main thing I dislike about FH5 (and FH4) is that everything is handed to you. In older Horizons like 3, it was far harder to gain money in that game, and it made you feel like you earned your cars. In 4 and 5, you can get millions of dollars in like an hour, and can easily buy whatever you want. I’m pretty happy that the wheel spins in 5 were nerfed, it does help with the experience quite a bit!
I remember grinding my butt off to get the Koenigsegg One:1 in Horizon 3 and it was so worth it
@@samanimations2002 I grinded a ton for the Sesto Elemento and LaFerrari. The Sesto was an absolute monster in FH3
I am completley 100% fine with the progression system in Forza Horizon 5, playing events weekly to unlock desirable cars is perfectly logical and far, far far far preferable to telling everyone to just grind credits to unlock new cars. The weekly challenges make creative and intelligent use of the full breadth of game features to teach people about their cars and how to play the game to the fullest.
If anything the GT7 fiasco proves that Forza has the correct progression system.
It's just the technical side of Horizon 5 that is still a disaster.
1. Pretty similar to 4, enough that it feels like a giant expansion
2. Finished almost all the races and events. Seasonal stuff is just ok
3. Never really got into the MP stuff and I dont' always get it. Like, it's mostly stupid games?
4. Got most of the cars I wanted and the ones left cost too much in acutions
That Most Wanted 2012 part hit me right in the feels
Even though I beat it like 5 times I still come back sometimes just to roam around, listen to music or upgrade every car
CHAAAAANGE... EVERYTHING YOU ARE... AND EVERYTHING YOU WERE... YOUUUR NUMBER HAS BEEN CALLED!!!
The big change will come with Forza Motorsport and the new engine.
they removed so many cars just to re add them behind a grind wall? i dont even get it, the map feels empty and lifeless as does the customisation and physics. genuinely feel like FH3/FH4 are ahead of it technologically and physically, better cars, smoother graphics and actually fun maps
It's unsustainable to design your game as a forever game. Just make a decent one an players will replay it whenever they feel like it. It's not like gamers stopped playing older titles altogether.
For me I simply don't wanna see the weekly grind. FOMO tactics left a bad taste in my mouth. If the game ended on a high note instead I'd come back to it once in a while.
As far as evolution goes, FH 4 & 5 might be the best ones but as far as immersion, structure and progression goes, 1 is the best then 2&3.
I like sandbox games, so personally I like FH5. However, the lack of progression does feel a bit disappointing considering what the original Forza Horizon was like, and it's competitor, TDU2, was really awesome as well.
From what I feel, Forza had it's time, it was a close rip of the tdu formula that has lastest for a while but without a New tdu game they have nothing to really Use to say this is gonna work out or flop. Don't get me wrong I play Forza sometimes but TEst Drive was always a superior title, Forza was just the Microsoft twin taking steroids soon to be taken out to pasteur
Idk it just doesn’t feel like the same vibes like say horizon 2 imo
The Forza Horizon franchise has increasingly allowed players to amass huge amounts of money and plenty of cars (either in game or by cynically charging them for access to DLCs) very easily for quite a while now. It makes the entire gaming experience a bit of a bore. Players should be made to work hard to get their hands on something exotic or vintage. I remember playing the original Test Drive Unlimited in 2006, where that was the case - it took a while to build up enough money to buy high-end cars.
On the topic of boredom, I think the developers could also take a leaf out of the Test Drive Unlimited playbook when it comes to map size. The maps of FH4 and 5 are attractive, detailed and well designed in terms of road layout, but they're just not big enough. I shouldn't be able to circumnavigate the whole map in less than 20 minutes. It has an area of about 41 square miles, whilst Test Drive Unlimited had 960 square miles - in 2006. It made the game feel absolutely vast, and it took a long time to discover all the roads - and even then I began exploring hard to reach areas, like the mountains.
There's also no incentive to buy houses in Forza, whereas in Test Drive it was a necessity, in order to expand garage space. There's no use in programming lots of attractive looking houses into the game when there isn't much utility in buying them, besides giving you a different spawn point.
Test Drive Unlimited had a pretty shoddy physics engine, the map was in places very repetitive (and much of it wasn't paved), the car list was sparse and the character animations were downright unnerving, but the core gameplay and environment were revolutionary for this genre. The devs at Playground Games could definitely benefit from looking closer at the TDU blueprint.
To me Horizon 5 was dead on arrival.
Heck, I only picked up Horizon 4 as my 1st and only Forza after NFS Unbound brought me back to racing games.
5 looks absolutely inferior to 4 except event lab and meaningless bloat & fluff.
Had a love-hate 70 hours with it. That and some YT essays research made me conclude that there are no good Forza games in PC, arguably never were, depending on how broken the Horizon 3 port was once it was available as I find it very subjective what's immersion breaking leveles of frustation so won't judge on 2nd hand experiences.
Anyway, the Horizon series is still an amazing car sandbox, but a trash racing game, a trash live-service game and an over all trash game, period.
Once the magic of the locale faded, there is nothing to it. You can only tolarate the BS in progression, AI and writing so far and pass time crusing and harassing sheep for vibes.
If I want sandbox, Minecraft, Valheim and especially Vintage Story & The RiftBreaker does it way better.
If I want racing there is NFS Unbound & Heat, or the Black Box classics with a side of Hot Wheels Unleashed & Flat Out 2... in need of a bit more simulation Grid Legends, or the OG Racedriver Grid. Won't go any harder as a full wheel & 3x monitor setup for actual simracing is not in my budget w/ my limited interest.
And if I want live-service Bleach Brave Souls & Arknights does it 10x better. Heck, probably Raid Shadow Legends has Horizon beaten 😂😂😂
And the saddest thing is, it's not broken at all... from a certain point of view Horizon is perfect. As broken as it should be. Had enough right and fast enough to have the superficial mainstream critic's blessing and the mass appeal. Listen to the community just enough so they don't leave in numbers, but solving the issues to the core is not profitable.
Horizon is not dead, it's perfectly alive in the purgatory that is the contemporary entertainment industry with broken incentive structures and a dead soul.
Forza H5 is basically H4 with big map, bland story and they removed pandem and rocket bunny kits.
I think another point is the lack of DLC. Usually the first map expansion in Horizon games releases around January. It is now the middle of April and still no peep about the first DLC.
So it is understandable that people are frustrated, especially those who have spent 100 bucks on game so they can get to play the map DLC right away.
For me that was a big factor why I stopped playing, I started getting bored of Mexico, seeing the same places and roads all the time. The Festival playlist stuff just wasn't doing it for me once I realized I'm only doing them out of Fomo.
This is my situation right now, i got too bored of the map and without the dlcs it gets too much work to get through the festival playlist.
A dlc is coming out soon but I already know people are gonna play it for a hour and drive around the hot wheels tracks once or twice and it’ll get boring just like the main map
The Hot Wheels DLC was so bad, I played it once and never again
The worst part of those game is like you mentioned, how they hand the cars and everything to you. It has a special feeling buying a car that you love with money that you earned, rather than it just being handed to you..
Outside of no progression, this game lacks the Horizon vibe.....from festival layouts, to radio stations, to the overall graphical design. The music definitely wasn't a highlight for me.
I can say for me (someone who finds FH3 the best horizon game and FH4 just as good, just in a different way), FH5 just lacks the established Horizon vibe. Also, seasons in FH4 added so much longetivity to the game compared to FH5 seasons.
Festival playlist also suck. Add new races, just don't restructure championships. Then bringing back removed cars as rewards? Jeez. Recycling cars isn't bad, but as you said, the live service part kills me. Limited time cars is hell, just like in GT7. 😮💨😮💨😮💨
FH5 is just TOO easy and repetitive like they give you all the supercar's from the start I want a real challenge like fh2
I think FH is easier money..
Big, flashy world, lots of broken promises on features, lots of paid DLC.
I came from horizon 4 and got bored quickly with 5
The thing that doesn’t get me hooked is that all cars feel similar just a bit heavier or lighter and slower or faster
It’s like driving same cars with different skins on it
The game is good and has a lot of potential but they have to work on the immersion of the game
I have been playing burnout paradise since I was a kid and still occasionally play it it doesn’t look nowhere near as good as forza horizons but the gameplay aspect of it kept me engaged
Most cars feel different and has good sense of speed
It also has unlicensed cars on top of that ( I prefer them over real cars)
You literally explained how I feel it really does feel like the same car with a different skin
@@TheSultan1470 I think it’s the racing suspension upgrade makes all the cars stiff as hell
Crew 2 game is crappy graphics and worst handling but still it doesn't feel boring
For me personally, having play FH3 4 and 5, the best was 3 bc it could entertain me for hours, make me laugh, looked great hung out with friends, and the biggest thing, wasn’t repetitive. FH4 was fun for awhile, but then got boring when I beat the game and only hopped on to hang out with friends. FH5, play a bit, finished most of the stories, got cool cars. I haven’t been back on since January.
I would have noted the enormous map being unfortunately empty feeling, the landscape feeling much more barren, the very few interesting new cars, and the glitches, lag, hacking etc etc.
Also some of those car sounds are still garbo, especially when you mod a car not usually modded.
The game is really amazing. They need to release the expansions soon to keep it fresh
Back in FH4, I had to earn 20 million credits to get the Trueno, because I really wanted that car.
Once I got it, there was nothing else to do: The game is getting bland, racing games to this date are getting bland.
Because racing games nowadays are always the same, unlike the old games from 2000s.
new motorsport is going to be dog shit too dont let the devs fool you
personally i just really hate they deleted private lobbies and public lobbies, like why? if you play on horizon live the map feels completley empty and in the rare ocassion you found someone that isnt just doing challenges you cant interact with him beacuse everyone is ghostes. they need to bring back lobbis and make a line between singleplayer and multiplayer cause what they are doing right now its not working....
Since completing FH5 I have hopped on specifically to have fun in the game ONCE, every other time it was to get the limited time car I want (typically the "lesser" of the two rewards), and then sometimes a friend would hop on and join me.
In FH4, I usually went for as many weekly rewards as I could do, but also would sometimes simply hop on to cruise around the map as it's my favourite Horizon map in terms of driving about, FH5 is just one road by comparison
Recycled cars, features removed that made the game fun, lack of story mode, Races are not memorable, No memorable AI. Need friends from real life to bring out the full potential of the game. No progression so getting new cars is expected rather than earned making the experience less exciting. Barn finds don't feel special anymore. Players are out performing the developers but the developers don't seem to get the hint that they need to reinnovate their formula because every month is the exact same. Playing the game feels like a chore because it makes me play more of the same rather than presenting events that are new and exciting. Still the best game in it's genre but I haven't been playing much because it feels lonely because not only do I not have any friends who play this game the AI in this game do not race you. What happened to the days where developers actually cared about developing AI characters who actually participate in the events you do and have a personality that the player can connect with.
Forza horizon 3 was the last Forza that kept the franchise alive
4 and 5 are far more “alive” when it comes to player count than 3 ever was. I find 3 to be the better game, but it doesn’t make it “alive”.
Hotwheels 🔥👌what a dlc worth the price and wait
This game is a pretty soulless entity that holds ya hand & gets dull quick.
My history about Forza Horizon series. With Forza Horizon 2 which was my first Horizon game I played, it was a very beautiful game, beautiful mountains, coastal roads, the longest highway, the beautiful realistic rain, beautiful city of Nice. I really enjoyed Horizon 2 and played it so much that I played it for almost a year that it was that good. Horizon 3 had a huge step up and huge updates. The map was so beautiful with a Modern City with Skyscrapers, Beautiful Beaches, Horizon Festivals which you can upgrade, and a very huge change with the car list and also both of the Expansions where so great. The Hot Wheels Expansion was so Modern with a Modern City and Blizzard Mountain which brought snow. Forza Horizon 4 was my favorite Horizon Game and I’m going to get a lot of hate for this. I really loved Horizon 4 because I loved the game being set in the UK. I really loved the detailed roads, I really liked the car list and the overall car list in FH4 was very nice, I really loved the Traffic Lights in Edinburgh which felt so alive to me and loved the Seasons, I also loved the detail to the Highway even though there was too many turns, I also really loved Fortune Island which looked so beautiful and had Northern Lights which was beautiful to see at night especially in the winter season and I was not too much of a fan with the Lego Expansion, but I still enjoyed the Expansion, and really miss FH4 and can’t believe it’s going to be off the store this year and is really sad to see. Even when I see the launch of FH4, it brings me memories. Even the houses and really loved the houses. Now, finally with Horizon 5, the game is very boring. It got boring really quickly and got stale very quick. The game seemed way to ancient. The car list at launch was so boring and lacked returning cars and new cars. The map got so boring very quickly and the game got very boring really quick. Horizon 5 is way to similar to Forza Horizon 4 but worse. Horizon 5’s city is very ancient and more ancient than FH4 and the city in FH5 doesn’t feel like a city at all. Horizon 5 for me is feeling very dead lately, and there was barely any new features at all. I will put Horizon 5 at the bottom of my favorite Horizon games I’ve played before update 7/8. It’s still at the bottom after that. Forza Horizon 5 is extremely boring and did not seem that much fun, also if FH5 1st Expansion was Jurassic Park, the game would of been worse than before, but that was not the case. FH5’s 1st Expansion was Hot Wheels 2.0 which is alright. Horizon 5 was much better after they showed the new vehicles for Update 7 and Update 8 which gotten much better. But, Horizon 5 is getting boring again. Horizon 5 was still playable for me and still think it was a great game, but did not have as much fun as the other Horizon games. I still play Horizon 5 even to this day. Horizon 5 is still a great game in my opinion. I still enjoy it and still like the game, but at the same time it felt extremely boring very quick and did not enjoy it at the same time. I’m not that happy with Horizon 5 right now. Overall, Horizon 5 feels very boring to me, it doesn’t feel like a new game, and the Highway in FH5 is actually not the longest Highway in the series. Forza Horizon 2’s Highway was much longer than Forza Horizon 5’s. Horizon 2’s Highway is like 10 Miles long and Horizon 5’s Highway is only 5.9 Miles Long because I measured both highways. Horizon 2’s Highway is 4.1 Miles longer than Horizon 5’s Highway. Horizon 5 is getting very boring nowadays. It was boring to me ever since launch. I hope Forza Horizon 6 is much better, an entirely new engine, lots of returning cars from old Forza Games like Motorsport 4 and Motorsport 3 and also the new Forza Games like Horizon 1-4, and even Motorsport 6 and Motorsport 7 that was not yet in the Horizon Series and many brand new cars in the Forza Franchise. We need completely brand new features, a brand new engine for the new Horizon game, brand new logos for the racing events, radio stations and also a brand new Anna GPS Voice, we also need new radio stations, brand new graphics, we also need a bigger map and I don’t mind if it’s 2x bigger for 1.5x bigger than FH5. We really need at least 2 highways. I’m getting very sick and tired of having just 1 Highway in the whole game. I was not happy with FH5 at launch. I will not miss Horizon 5 at launch. With FH2 the longest route you can go is about 15 Miles, the longest route you can go with Horizon 3 is about 12 to 13 miles and now you might think that Horizon 2’s map is bigger, but it’s not, Horizon 3’s map is actually much bigger because there is so much off road and you can go across the whole map and it was endless and also you can go in the water and go on the railroad tracks which you could not do in Horizon 2. Horizon 3 was so unlimited. Horizon 4 was about the same length as Horizon 3 which the max route length you can go up go 12 to 13 miles, and now with Horizon 5 the max length route you can go up to is a max of almost 19 miles. The reason why that the map of Horizon 5 was so much bigger was because the map was endless in FH4 and FH5. But, even though Horizon 5 has the biggest map, the game still got boring very quickly and was not happy. I hope they fix those mistakes.
Car sounds in horizon 1 was the best I've ever heard in a car game.
Its funny you mention this actually, I bought the game at launch. I was impressed with it, technically pretty sound, looked great, I played it for about 3 weeks, and completely forgot about the game entirely. Nothing really grabbed me to bring me back over and over I suppose.
Been that way since Forza Horizon 3 for me. Never bought Horizon 2. But with Horizon 1 I played the shit out of that game for a long time. Would play it again if rereleased on PC.
Everyone wanted fh5 be in Japan instead of mexico
I'm not a fan of the live-service model, your point about FOMO is spot-on. I got burned out of it later in 4's lifecycle and it being becoming the standard with 5 made me simply not want to invest on it. ForzaThons in 3 were fine as they were just 3 or 4 silly stunts you could do and you had a whole week to complete them, and they also didn't count towards any kind of progression despite giving out Xbox achievements (which also didn't count towards completion and would "expire" after the period for obtaining them was over.) and overall weren't much of an annoyance unlike 4 & 5's Seasonal Playlists which clutter you with content.
I guess that's another thing on top of the live-service aspect that made me lose interest in Horizon - clutter. The map is filled with events, but they are mostly boring; the game is filled with horizon stories, but they are extremely mediocre, and while I know no one really cares about characters and story in a racing game, at least they didn't bother you with annoying characters in 1, 2 and 3. Progression might as well not exist as you're handed supercars in droves within 15 minutes of playing, with very little incentive to drive weaker cars or work your way towards better cars as you start out on the top, and despite the lack of the need of leveling your garage, the game has countless "cards" you can level up which also just add to the clutter, and don't even let me get started on the UI.
If that's what they are going for now that they have a wider audience, then fine, I'm simply not their target audience anymore, but I just wish they would just port Horizon 1 and 2 to PC and maybe even relist 3 so I and others could enjoy the classic, unhinged Horizon experience, especially 1 now that it will turn 10 this year.
Tbh forza needs to let people buy traffic cars from the last forza horizons it would ve nice to mix them up n add more car customizing more bumpers head lights over fenders or wide body like pandem brz rocket bunny ps13 Siliva slammed n stanced opinions roof spoilers more Japanese jdm cars like the jzx100 chaser mark2 skyline sedans civic sedans mini trucks or lifted ones
I’ve said it before and I will say it again. Forza Horizon 1 was the best Horizon game.Due to its more limited car roster,actually earning cars especially the limited ones from showcases,unique soundtrack and an actual storyline it is an experience that has yet to be replicated or exceeded by Forza.
Everybody's first Horizon is their favorite. James Bond syndrome in action.
I had someone gift me Xbox GamePass, played it for 1 week and 1 week only. Most boring modern racing game ever made.
now you see that this game was only made to please the people who use GamePass
the reason it got 10 million players in the first week/month but after that it dropped so badly
Lots of solid points are mentioned in this video,
I miss the good old days of working hard to earn cars and money.
I remember playing GT4 and Forza 2 , the progression felt good
I feel like it’s easy to get any car in the game currently because think about it, the accumulation of gifts from the forza team and the gifting process from other players, which makes every car easy to get, I feel like it was better when it was hard to unlock cars because it makes you more excited when you finally get to unlock them, I played since fh2 and forza Motorsport 6 until now and I feel like fh5 is one of the worst forza games ever. I miss playing my old forza games 😞
9:53 correction, the 911 Sport Classic was also in Motorsport 3 as, you guessed it, a DLC car. Meaning we had to pay 3 times for an upscaled version of a car
Gross, a furry that plays FH5… good thing i stick to GT7, a racing game for real men. 😎
@@flyingchunks Gross, a troll who has no life but to leave hateful comments on the internet. Keep being you bud. Men really do show their maturity online 😎
@@SpitfireTheWolf You call me immature when you and your fandom consists of grown-adults wearing cringeworthy animal costumes while making retarded sounds such as “OwO” and “Murr”. Says a lot about showing “maturity” am i rite?
@@SpitfireTheWolf I just clicked on your channel and I immediately wanna throw up…
@@flyingchunks Because you have anything at all, right? Just leave people be who they are on the internet, it's that simple. I just surround myself with music and other random shit LMAO.
i like FH4 better because the map in the game is better.
If you like driving then there’s nothing to complain about, it’s a racing game and the only thing that matters is the car and how the car feels
Thats the issue for me. Loved horizons like loved them until I got a wheel but now I play sim racing because they feel expensive. Forza u can stop from 300mph in a second
FH5 is to driving what a spec of salt is to a meal. Nothing. There isn't anything in the game that could be considered "driving". Its car assets placed floating over landscape assets. No physics, no consequences, not a single actual driving metric... nothing
@@focussport true
@@focussport that is one way to put it. It isn’t meanf to be treated as a racing sim it is an arcade racing title.
That may not be for everyone.
Yeah so far it's the only game apart from Gran Turismo where driving and handling is satisfying to me coming from somebody who played NFS and Codemasters racing games a lot.
Because its the exact same as horizon 4 but in Mexico.
Great work with this video mate, totally agree with the festival playlist situation. We also need an updated photo mode and video editor. Photo mode should allow for change in weather and time of day. The video editor currently is alright but hasn’t changed since FH2, only allows for 30 seconds of usable footage, and doesn’t even work online (only in horizon solo)??? We need something like TC2 with 10 minutes of online usable footage, 4 full presets (action/landscape/vehicle/in-game) and fully customisable playback features (slomos/follow another driver). Currently in horizon, montages look very similar and boring. This would help with variety, more creative videos with multiple drivers in them, and increase the game’s lifespan!
Me personally, I think the game is just too easy. It just hands cars and money to you right off the bat, making it pointless to actually play the game and make progression. My very first Regular wheelspin gave me an Aston Martin Valhalla, which made winning races and earning more wheelspins even easier. It doesn't help that the game gives you all 3 starter cars right away, regardless which one you pick. People complain about the wheelspins being nerfed, but I feel like it's the opposite. In H4, you'd likely get clothing or an emote while in H5, (at least from my experience) you get money or cars a majority of the time.
Regardless, I do still think the game is a lot of fun, and definitely doing much better than most other games that have come out recently: Halo Infinite - great at launch, never gets updated, COD Vanguard - exactly the same as the last 3 COD games, BF2042 - More broken and unplayable than Cyberpunk.
The game has no challenge. It happens to each forza horizon every time. It definitely doesn’t help that with each release, they don’t change much at all.
7:30 IGN is unreliable though, their scores are usually always between a high 6 and a low 9 no matter what the game is, theyll talk absolute trash about a game and still give it a 9 or praise a game and give it a 6, i think IGN is just a clusterfuck and you should never take their reviews seriously
I don’t myself. It just gives a general view of critics impressions of the series, as most other critics have similar things to say about the games.
I totally get your point about how sometimes players just expect way more content than what's possible, but what happened with me and FH5 was I got maybe like 20% through the whole thing and realized the rewards and game structure is a complete joke and the festival playlist is just weekly chores, doing the same events over and over again. It's so boring it hurts. There's plenty to do, yeah, but that's like saying the house has plenty of dishes and clothes to be cleaned. It's plenty of stuff to do, but it's not fun. So glad I stopped playing and just forced myself to play games I actually enjoy, not racing games though cuz they don't make those fun anymore.
And yet the weekly Forzathon thing is an improvement over how chore-ish daily mobile game objectives are.
@@meyers0781 that is true I'll admit! On games like Genshin Impact, the daily chor- I mean daily commissions are just recycled side quests, as far as I can tell, they don't even shake anything up like the difficulty, the enemies, the objectives, etc. Just copy-pasted chores every single day, 4 of 'em too. At least on FH5 they do change up what cars you use, what tracks you race on, the rewards, although I still want more variety in terms of what events they give, maybe have some weeks that are a bit more focused on a certain kind of event like those that are more unique being pointed based, etc. I know they do have a single event each week that does do this, offering something really different, but it's just one event, maybe they could do that but with a few more?
@@SlyBalto and that's how i now stopped playing mobile games and now treated my mobile device more like an ID card and of course a phone than anything else that i can do in PCs and TV media players during spare time.
The game is way too easy to progress in. Need for speed specifically is very progressive and keeps you busy for months.
You're absolutely right about the FOMO thing. I once made the mistake of bringing it up in the subreddit, but I got downvoted into oblivion and pretty much gave up on the game/community. Glad to hear I'm not the only one who see it as a problem.
Reddit is awful.
Dead ass there’s nothing to do in the game
I still get screen reader errors when playing horizon 5 despite the setting being disable both in game and in windows. A dozen tickets and the same copy pasted responses. Accessibility options shouldn't make the game harder to run because of constant bugs.
I actually replayed all the horizon games in a marathon not to long ago, it took ages and was a lot of fun. It also made it really easy to see the gradual shift in focus and atmosphere of the series with each iteration.
Horizon 1 and 2 feel very much like semi-pro sporting events first and foremost. Yes the festival elements are there but it feels very much like set dressing and the focus is on racing and winning the championship. You start small and slowly work your way up in 1. In 2 you have more freedom to start in more powerful cars but are still expected to show mastery in all the disciplines eventually.
It's not really until 3 that the tone shifts to "play it your way!", in a big dance party that also has cars. This is also the first game where you start the game as the boss/champ/superstar instead of just another challenger. (Though to be fair in 2 you do become the boss like 15% of the way into the game where it then opens up your options.)
In terms of content there is a very clear line between the first 3 games and the last two entries in terms of online/offline focus. The online content for the first 3 largely does not work any more but these still feel like full and complete games. They have a definite endpoint and a lot of content to consume on the way there. This isn't true for 4 and 5. The live service model has seen a lot of single player features, like championships, removed or made less important in favour of the live service model. This is also why the game has less of a sense of progression too, because late joiners and people who play less cannot be gated from each week's "content".
Overall what single player content there as baseline is reduced and the live service content feels transitory. Jake is correct in that the audience nowadays expects a constant and unending flow of content to sate themselves; But the developers are very much at fault still as it is them who set up this expectation by reducing initial launch content so heavily and putting so much of an emphasis on live service and temporary content that is disposed of each week regardless of if you have played it or not. Even the DLC in 4 suffered from this as it still was rather lacking in meat compared to 3's and was largely incompatible with the live service model meaning it was quickly forgotten about in favour of the routine of log in every Thursday to do your three championships and PR stunts then log off.
It also raises concerns about the availability of this content after the game is done. 4 has a lot of cars that were live service exclusive and it wasn't until the very end of the game's lifecycle that any consideration was made for making this content available for people who missed the boat. The solution, horizon backstage, it a pretty rubbish band aid. The first three games I felt confident deleting my save and starting from scratch to re-experience them. I can't say I have the same confidence with 4 and 5 because so much of the game is walled behind this live service system with inadequate alternatives to accessing it afterwards. I loathe battlepass/live service content in games because I feel like they turn the games they infest into chores that I play to keep up with rather than games I play because, I y'know, WANT to play them.
I think it’d be cool if they made it more rpg oriented. So you had to earn your car. I also want a big city to drive around as well. I like the more scenic drives but we should have a New York type city. Switzerland would be perfect, because you could do Zurich and still have the mountainous regions.
Also we should have voice chat. Drivatars should play a bigger role, so we can get out of the car and watch / bet on races. Go to meets on the map and see the cars. No more auto tuning setups. No more instant spray on your car. You have to pay an actual artist for his work. I think it’d be really cool. Just imagine GTA online but more nfs underground with a hint of VR chat.
They should just go to Tokyo and add crazy customization and go crazy with neon lights and city streets.
I miss Ranked Match
For me the lack of ranked and team racing (because racing with friends against other players was hilarious) killed the game completely.
I could play ranked for hours and hours. Forzathon got stale, but ranked is what kept me coming back. With ranked gone, online play felt pretty pointless. With ranked I felt like I could strive to drive better, and play with people on my level. It killed me when Playground's CFO came out and said ranked was removed because competition and losing was making people unhappy and they didn't want that... Um, FH5 is a sandbox racing game, competition is a core component. I feel like they lost touch with the players. Hopefully whoever made those decisions is let go before FH6.
Forza Horizon 1 is still best.
People need to keep in mind that this is supposed to be a next gen game before defending it. In terms of gameplay it feels like something that T10/PG could have released on the Xbox One almost a decade ago minus the graphics. A majority of the cars are recycled from FH1/FH2 and even the "new" cars PG drip feeds us cars from a game that came out almost a decade ago. Heck, the fastest car in the game the Sesto Elemento was in FH1. Btw FH1 came out in 2012 and FH2 came out in 2014.
Ever since my profile got corrupted, I pretty much gave up on it. Considering hackers now dominate the top 1 percent leaderboards and its now a problem worse than FH1 to make matters worse T10 is doing absolutely nothing at all about it. The weekly challenges are also a joke even now, you get one tournament with 3 races and the other two events are just one off events with a few stunt challenges sprinkled in. The map itself is beyond bland being mostly cactus and desert. Its a shame T10/PG has just given up like this.
Basically all racing games are dead. I saw leaks that Midnight Club might be returning. If it’s true, that’ll be AMAZING. Midnight Club was such an amazing racing game, way ahead of its time.
I agree with everything mentioned in this video. I especially hate that the game is just constantly throwing cars at you. By now I have 500 cars in my garage and out of those 500, I only bought 5-6 myself.
Also as an extension to my other comment on here, and to word it better now that i've read some other comments, Horizon 5 just feels like a super big DLC to Horizon 4. It "hardly raises an eyebrow", as someone in this comment section said. Horizon 3 and 4 (before 4 wore out its welcome) are the two best Horizon games in the series, especially 3, and it feels like at this point theyre just trying so hard to recapture of feel of Australia without figuring out WHY players loved Horizon 3 so much and why it, as well as Horizon 4, absolutely blew us away when it first launched (and for me, i still love Horizon 3 even 6 years after its launch). Im honestly....a little burnt out, just because of how drawn out Horizon 4 was. Im honestly kinda tired of the latest greatest thing and playing in Mexico's deserts only makes me think "Man, i wish i was back in the Outback and Surfers Paradise right now".