The UK’s ‘man at the EU’ on the Brexit saga - and the threat of no deal
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- Опубликовано: 4 апр 2019
- In Gary Gibbon’s latest Politics: Where Next podcast, he talks to Sir Ivan Rogers - formerly our man at the EU. He was the British diplomatic service’s top EU expert - let go effectively by Theresa May just as the Brexit negotiations were getting under way. (Subscribe: bit.ly/C4_News_Subscribe)
Sir Ivan Rogers served as the UK Representative to the EU under David Cameron and Theresa May. He resigned in January 2017 - it’s been said he sensed his advice wasn't wanted.
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He sounds like an expert that uses big words. This means he must not be trusted since we've had enough of experts. Tim Witherspoon is more cleverer!! Just believe in Brexit and everything will be okay. Didnt you know there is a massive queue of countries waiting to sign a deal with Liam Fox?
@@layishevik ...you almost got me with your fine sense of irony. But on the second read with that massive queue for Liam Foxes trade deals...I realized you had to be kidding...
layiA Bro, You need to break out the dictionary. I heard Queen and Country needed it’s brightest and he is one. But hey I am a black guy in the US so what do I know about how logical(?) brits are. I thought you all were smart like that guy. Guess not.
@@leodouskyron5671 LayiA's comment is just a great example of the irony and wittiness of the British people, which many foreigners will never get. It was funny to read, s/he simply cited some of the stupid lies the British people have had to hear in these crazy times. But, just to tell you, many British people are idiotic simpletons, so you are not wrong about us. Just look at the result of the referendum and the propaganda of the leave side!
I'd still vote to Leave
Was lucky to see Sir Rogers when he visited Bath recently. Very impressive speaker. He knew his brief. Contrary to the impression in some of the papers he did not come across as a Remainer, but as someone who understood the pros and cons of the various positions. If you have an opportunity to hear Ivan Rogers well worth it.
Until he can clearly square his negative view of the UK's bargaining position with the fact the UK is a massive net contributor to the EU coffers ... I will consider him a bought and paid for remainer shill.
His arguments fly in the face of the above macro economic fact and resulting common sense. Farage is absolutely correct that, post No DEal, it would in fact be the EU who will be rushing to agree to :
A) two years of "status quo" free trade under WTO
B) quickly lookign to agree a proper free trade agreement in many areas.
The one thing he said that is true is that the EU are better prepared negotiators. The Brits need to relearn how to stand on their own two feet. But they will quickly.
@@richardlefaive1944 I went to school with Farage. He's a total berk. So are you.
This is the greatest - THE GREATEST, most concise, clear and honest interview about Brexit I have EVER watched and listened to.
Sir Ivan is in a different league to Theresa May and her team. He is so eloquent and clear- a hugely impressive man to listen too. What a loss when he resigned
If you enjoy listening to a paid off dolt.
What he said made zero common sense if you even cursorily look at the UK's macro economic contribution to the EU.
@@richardlefaive1944 He is not a dolt. I doubt he is paid off.
As for common sense ... that isn't how things work! You should know that if you are a legal adult.
@@emm_arr Try backing your points up with actual arguments supporting them. Then it might be worth my time to continue. Otherwise, not.
@@richardlefaive1944 "Try backing your points up with actual arguments supporting them." Why? The man is onbvviously not a "dolt" and anyone claiming he is either an idiot or wilfully misrepresenting.
You back up your claims. Show beyond reasonable doubt he has a low IQ. Go on.
"Then it might be worth my time to continue. Otherwise, not." It's not. You lost the second you posted such a stupid claim.
@@richardlefaive1944 can you say something that make sense?
dont listen to this man he sounds like an expert
Theresa May certainly did not listen so he resigned in January 2017...
@@quantumcomputation4963 didn't they give him a choice: resign or get booted?
Love how BoJo, IDS and Rees-Mogg think they know better than the man who has spent his whole political career embedded in the EU. Anyone who thinks Rees-Mogg is a genius is a complete and utter fool. He's the genius of morons.
Experts are dangerous. They can't be trusted to say what the idiots want to hear.
@@propagandalf877 Probably: his fundamental disagreement with the Government meant he may not have had the choice to stay until the end of his term as ambassador to the EU.
The only journalist at Channel 4 worth my time. Love listening the insight of Sir Ivan Rogers on the reality of the Brexit.
Put that guy in charge. He really knows his stuff.
He was in charge but had to resign in 2017 when May refused to listen to him...
I agree, much of common sense.
He was in charge, and then we voted him out of being in control.
But But leave means leave LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Dismissing Ivan Rogers services was one of the biggest mistakes made by the UK. (And this was pretty much the view of the continental press) He is one of the most experienced man the UK had at that time. But I think is was far to reasonable for that cabinet.
He should be Prime Minister. Or given a role front and centre and allowed to explain to the public what the EU really means. The vast majority of those who voted leave in 2016 still don't know why they voted the way they did and still think there is some kind of upside to leaving. How many times has Sir Ivan been on Question Time?
His knowledge and expertise is needed not just for Britain's future but also for Europe's. He should be leading the Leave not Lead campaign and Britain should be taking its rightful place at the heart of things in Europe not sitting outside looking in like fools!!
Theresa May and her brexiteers preferred to listen to Shanker Singham.
IslandForestPlains Shanker Singham FFS
May went for Bojo
@@coleitrim He's a civil servant type. I doubt he'd want to be PM
Brexit, be it a hard or a soft brexit, may prove to be a blessing in disguise for the European Union. Right from the outset of the British membership of the European Union the United Kingdom has been very reluctant to see the European Union as something more than just a single market. The United Kingdom has always been a very unwilling partner in the further integration of the member states. It negociated various opt outs such as the Schengen arrangement and the rebate of its membership fee. With the United Kingdom outside the union the member states of European Union will be able to achieve even greater integration and reform of the union than with a United Kingdom as an ever recalcitrant and obstructionist "partner".
not even a single market mate, the UK thought (and still thinks of the EU) as nothing more than a free trade area (it started as such) but the EU has evolved and to a very large extent, we now operate as a single country. To some extent, the United States started similarly - hence 'united states' right? It's a good thing. The EU does need to reform, it isn't perfect, it's run by people who make mistakes etc but to be comparing it to something as evil as hideous as the USSR or China is quite frankly despicable and outright erroneous. The EU is by large a modern success story.
@@user-pd6bd7ir4z I would not go so far as to call the European Union a federal state and i don't think that it will ever evolve into one. Nevertheless one can see coöperation on many levels outside the economic realm, such as science , the Erasmus program, the defense of civil liberties (Hungary and Poland!!!) and even the arts. One can argue that surely among young people a thing like a European identity is growing. I do totally agree with you that comparing the European Union with a dictatorship or a German "diktat" or the Soviet Union is ludicrous and quite insulting. By the way you have a funny (japanese? ) name.
@@user-pd6bd7ir4z Evolved? No, by one coup after another by the elites.
@@JRobbySh Unlike the entirety of European history before that, which wasn't coups but outright throwing the peoples of Europe to kill each other for centuries and centuries by the elites. Yes, the neoliberal agenda comes with severe issues for many outside and some inside the EU. Yes, large governmental bodies are a problem (as all governmental bodies are, really, just larger). But the EU is much more than a governmental body and anyone with a basic grasp on European history will find it difficult to deny that. Brexit isn't just about the political ramifications, it is very much about European culture. Free movement has grown the people of Europe together in a manner that makes it unthinkable to ever engage each other in war again. We are one now, and while preventing war was a major driver back then, we've gained so much more in growing ever further together. Brexit seriously disrupts this oneness. I live in Edinburgh , which very much is a European city now. It's wondrous to behold in light of what Europe looked like just 50 years ago. No fevered dream of empires and sovereignty is worth losing the connections we've built. And by all means, roll out the guillotines and free Europe of its rulers. But that isn't what Brexit does, is it? It's another coup by some elites who'd rather hold the reigns themselves, instead of the elites who currently do. And frankly, between Westminster and Brussels, I'll take Brussels any day.
edtExodus Is Guy Verhofstadt all thats good about the EU.? Is he your role model when describing the way the EU should unfold? He epitomises all thats wrong about that autocratic organisation along with others that 'we ' could never vote out.The argument that this so called 'union' has prevented war in Europe between our peoples is fatuouse to say the least.Britain for all its faults has rescude Europe in two major conflicts and was a very reluctant participant in doing so!The Balkans and the Ukrain are two examples.The economic advatages we have supposedly gleaned from membership are also dubious.Yes we were called 'the poor man of Europe in the seventies due entirely to self inflicted wounds brought about by a combination of communist
agitators , poor government and lousy management.Heath gave up on the idea of Britain ever being a success again and went cap in hand to Brussels.The British people chose to make a go of being self governing again in spite of all the dire warnings and must be given a chance to do so.Lousy governments during the past 50 years are to blame but the British electorate were never given real alternatives.We now have a chance to correct that but the establishment will fight to the death to prevent that eventuality.!
The guy being interviewed is very knowledgable- good interview. lots of things I didn't know
He had a very good lecture a few months back.
share.trin.cam.ac.uk/sites/public/Comms/Rogers_brexit_as_revolution.pdf
burocrats can be helpful just people like him with special knowlege not evil people trying to ensalve us all.
You can find more interesting videos with him here on RUclips.
The "guy" is a former British ambassador to the EU. If the Brits have payed attention to what he and people like him have to say, the present $h1tshow would have been avoided. They chose instead to listen to clowns like BoJo with his "sunny Upplands" and Nigel Farage with his scaremongering how Turkey will join the EU any moment now, when she's been drifting away for the last 15 years and how "30 million Romanians and Bulgarians are packing their baggs to flood the UK!", when the two countries number 25 million people IN TOTAL. Add to that the outrage how the UK, without being part of the Eurozone has been dragged into indirectly bailing out Greece, without acknowledging the fact that without being a member of the Eurozone, over 70% of all the daily transactions in €uros go through the City of London and the British economy profits immensely from that.
Nick Humphrey
He is one of those experts so much derided by Brexiteers
The level of clarity on the matter this man has shown is something we had forgotten it existed.
But still not telling the truth, we know that in 2022 the UK will lose its banks and finance market they will all be moved to Frankfurt the UK will have to join the euro, the British army will no longer exist it will be the European army. if you do not believe me go and read the Lisbon treaty I call it the death of the UK. This is the governments secret that they do not want you to no.
he is a staunch remainer
Britain deside weather to accept anything. Every EU member has to agree. Didnt you know that?@@bandsaw345
@@bengteklund1576 I Don't think you understand the Lisbon treaty is a don deal and i do no that 27 other EU members have to agree to give the UK a extension.
ian healy the fact that these conspiracy theories exist in spite of the reality we are experiencing baffles me
I want Boris, Jakob and him
to discuss Brexit on SKY TV during peak time
Just Mogg - Boris is just a rabble-rouser
Sky wouldn't have any of them on. They all want to leave.
Excellent interview. Refreshing to see such clarity! Thank you
you need to do some research ffs remainers are thick
@@garydates8034 TROLL
@@garydates8034 Third time same post, I'm beginning to think you're an imbecile
An actual informative interview. I thought we were past the stage where this was even possible.
He literally releases these every Friday
@@ruk2227 Yes, I'm aware. And this is one of the very few informative ones in my opinion, tks.
The only question I might have added to this thoroughly insightful interview would be whether "In 10 years' time, with Britain out of the EU, would you expect negotiations to be taking place about the admission of Scotland in the Union?"
EU should just say no... That leaves only three options for the Gov to chew on: Revoke article 50 until a later date, Accept current agreed deal or crash out. Give the UK Gov a year, they will fill it without decision.. A decision will only come when they have options removed and an immovable deadline focuses them.
Just one problem, although the ECJ granted the UK the possibility of revoking art UK unilaterally, it also made clear that this cannot be done solely with the purpose of presenting it again later on. If art 50 is revoked, we are in, full stop. At the end, as always, it is just a matter of pride and self belief or reality, our choice.
Better to be in the club than outside in the rain.
16:40 he hits the nail on the head. UK signed Art 50 without any negotiations or preconditions and accepting the EU's premise entirely. This was absolutely ridiculous but it was done for internal Tory party reasons. i.e. they were so afraid Brexit didn't have sufficient political or public support they pushed for Art 50 to be signed and sent as soon as possible.
Philip This maybe true. But the simple fact is that the more powerful block will always have more power in a negiotation. Power comes from what percentage of your exports are sold to your opponent in negiotation. EU sells 8% of its exports to the UK. UK sells 44% of its exports to the EU. 44/8 = 5.5. So the UK's exports to EU represent 5.5 times the EU exports to the UK. So EU has 5.5 times the bargaining power of the UK. Doesnt matter what changes you make to your negotiating team the more poweful block will dictate most of the terms. That is just the way the world works. Nothing new
They KNEW that most of the Establishment was solidly opposed.Jus look at the reaction of BBC. I have not seen BBC this unjointed since Iraq.
@@JRobbySh Most except rich tories. Do you wonder why that is? It is because the EU is drafting new regulations to prevent tax avoidence by the elites. The british elites do not want this. Cambridge Analytical created lots of pro brexits adverts on facebook. They are being investigated for criminal activities in Brext vote and Trump election. Ca is a subsidiary of Scl Group which is founded and run by Nigel Oakes. Oakes went to Eaton. And why because he doesnt want the EU tightening the tax rules. Same as Reece Mogg and James Dyson. You should be very careful when you are on the same side as these billionaires. Do you think they have your interests at heart?
wannaseesomestuff bollox. We sell far more to them than they sell to us especially in the service sector. This puts us in a much stronger position They are not going to suddenly stop buying and wanting our services. We account for 35 billion in travel related services into the EU and in return only get 19 billion. Believe me this will hurt both sides tremendously but the EU more so. Where will they make up all the short fall whereas we have the whole World to go for!
Germany would lose 21 billion immediately and that would hurt. I’m sorry to say it but the original idea of an economic market has been corrupted and this is the beginning of the end for the EU.
@@wannaseesomestuff Now I'm not very good on negociations but I thought that was fairly obvious from the go. You know, the single market being a big juicy carrot and all! Tusk was right there must be a special place for Bexiteers who had no plan.
Sir Ivan talks fast because he thinks fast … and spot on.
I don't think my sanity would survive this without Channel 4 news. I just want to say Thank You!
Eva Richardson, check out 'The Duran' on youtube. Alexander is brilliant in his analyses of Brexit.
So the British government did have an expert who actually really understood the EU and its member states (in stark contrast to all current members of the UK government, even the remainers or soft Brexiteers) at the beginning of Brexit. It was madness to ignore his expertise entirely and push him out of office or let him leave. But I suppose the Brexiteer ultras considered him an enemy of Brexit as he refused to live in fantasy land and told things as they are.
I don't imagine he enjoyed too much being in the same government as Boris Johnson or David Davis
There was a man called Gove who spoke on behalf of all us that we were sick of experts. How we laughed.
The man is knowledgable, an expert. They've been going out of fashion, the last few years. Look at the USA. Same thing there.
The remainer ultras consider him and enemy as he refuses to live in fantasy EU land and tells it how it is.
The problem with him was he said what he thought not what they wanted to hear.
finally there is still intelligent people in the UK.
JCS just a few...Sad isn’t it.
Remember kids, every time you listen to an expert, an unicorn loses its wings...
The fault is all that idiot Cameron's for having a referedum on such a major constitutional change which could be decided by simple majority. I hope that one day he is held accountable for this debacle.
Rogers said it best: May invoked Article 50 without a clear understanding of what she was aiming for. She wanted control yet lacked the experience in economic matters to make reasoned judgements.
philip` v jones The Eton Toff thought he had it in the bag , never has a PM so badly misread the mood of a nation like he did , where is Dave these days ? In hiding no doubt !!
Yeah, just like Blair was helf accountable for dragging Britain into the Middle East wars.
What an illuminating interview. Thanks for this.
From an european point of view I am glad this man was not in charge of negotiations, thanks to Brexit Europe will be stronger and better
Andy Barker yes the uk is great and can’t be missed. Why aren’t they listening to us? The EU must give us the deal we want. Because we are right and they are wrong! O jee, an other misinformed soul. The world can be cruel.
Soy Britanico y estoy de acuerdo contigo. Vivo en Andalusia ahora.
I don't think most Brits will give two figs how the EU fares if and when we Brexit - our concern will understandably be focused on our own future.
A good deal for the UK is a good deal for EU, so your comment makes no sense. If the UK is hurt, then EU will be hurt too.
Toño Martnez . You should ask the car industry in Germany, and France, the wine producers, the cheese producers, French farmers, if they agree with your view point.
i think it's exceedingly optimistic to think that outlawing a hard brexit in the house of commons has any weight at all in european parliament.
Absolutely excellent Ivan Rogers in hindsight. One small disagreement: The UK government did not forget the services in their agreement but rather, were targeting to escape ANY EU-imposed rules on the City: Many decision-making people in the Tory party were seeking for a "Singapore on Thames" which turned out to be "Londongrad".
Much of the Brexit debacle is about failing to understand that the UK can't be simultanously INSIDE and OUTSIDE of the EU
Absolutely fantastic and insightful interview. Can someone forward this to the PM
you need to do some research ffs remainers are thick
@@garydates8034 C'mon Remainers are no more thick than Leavers. Thickies are ubiquitous.
Tweet it to her!
@@garydates8034 Research into what?
@@garydates8034 this is the second time you have posted this, say what you mean, post some links. I not expecting any because I believe you are just another typical Brexiteer, talking but not actually saying anything. Also, Richard Branson, Alan Sugar are remainers, both billionaires and not, I believe, thick. Still, I suppose the dribbling Weatherspoons baffoon Tim, no sweet FA, Martin is a Brexiteer.
Rogers says that a leaving with no deal on WTO would be so painful to British economy that the UK would be back at the table within weeks asking to rejoin the EU......best argument for no deal I've heard so far
Ivan Rogers gives us a clear view of the May treachery. Excellent concise presentation.
UK: Ah we are vital in the world. They will come to us for better deals. World: There is about 200 other countries. EU: Yeah we can still trade with the other members and get good deals as a group.
UK: But we're the world's 5th largest economy!
EU: Perhaps but we sell 97.5% of our cars to someone else.
@@Enuff947 I recently heard the uk is dping the worst of the g8 since brexit...
No thank you I'll be buying my car from Germany now
Sir Ivan Rogers is Spot On.
as a complete dolt.
Just more Channel 4 project fear silliness.
Just ask yourself how his pessimistic view of the UK's bargaining position gets squared with the fact the UK is a massive net contributor to the EU's finances?
You'll note the interviewer never pressed him with this Q ...
UK: Hey, EU, we are gonna leave wthout a deal if you don`t offer what we want.
EU: Bye!
Very good interview conducted by C4. Thumbs up!
Beggars can't be choosers. High time the UK get to terms with negotiating from a position of weakness.
They're gonna get trounced out there when negociating with China or the US. The EU is just the beginning, and of the three, it might be the one which has the most regard for UK's well-being
@Andy Barker You clearly seen the numbers, but for some reason you're not reading them right.
Lets take those 17%, this then means the EU27 GDP is 83% of the EU28 so almost five times that of the UK, what is then most important to the EU27?
The same thing goes for all the other numbers, like for example how big a portion of the UK export goes to the EU27 vs. how big a portion of the EU27 exports goes the other way.
And the situation also doesn't stop with the UK finding a deal with the EU27. When the UK want to make a deal with for example Turkey, then the Turks know very well what situation the UK is in so guess what that then means if a deal is to be made.
bzdtemp Oh don’t give him a rude awakening. It’s so comical to read his comments.
Yes, but he is an expert! What does he know?
whiteraven - correction he’s a Brexpert !
whiteraven
He is not taking into account that big changes are happening in Europe
He is only looking at what he thinks will happen if everything in Europe remains the same
Macron will be shown the door very shortly for betraying his country frexit will happen followed by the collapse of the Euro Germexit and Europe Union will be a blip in history
Now let’s take it from there
@@robertschofield1560 And obviously they all gonna fear the power of the new empire!we will have colonies again, on the Moon on Mars and the British east Triton company will lead the export of oil and gas from the rich grounds of Saturn's Moon 🤣🤣🤣
@@PauloLima-bm3eo what about the planet uranus .....mogg was brought up there ......to bad they deported him to the uk .......
Guy Fawkes had the right idea 💥💥💥
I cannot see Theresa May writing a best seller entitled ''The Art Of The Deal'' somehow
If Trump can then May can.
What about "The Shart of a Deal"
He already has a knighthood, but he ought to be a Lord.
I've seen a lot of speeches he makes and it has been quite informative.
Disentanglement is still putting it too nice. It's a dismantlement.
Wait, still too nice: brexit is a devastation.
Still too nice. 'Brexit' is 'brexit' and probably deserves to become a descriptor on its own. 😄
A: "Look at this mess!"
B: "It's all brexit isn't it?"
A: "How's he doing?"
B: "Brexit I'm afraid. The doctors expect he'll live until the end of the month"
Yeah it’s a shame that we didn’t leave on the 29th of March. As it stands we now pay the EU a billion pounds per month.
its not brexit its the way it's been handled by the disentangled brain dead politicians
@@illgottengains1314 Don't worry the UK industry is already losing £800m per week (UK industry figures published this week) whilst the finance sector says 1 Trillion £GBP of capital has left for Europe. Oh, and 80% of the UK economy is contracting. And the UK hasn't even entered trade negociations with the EU yet, it still on the do we leave page lol.
ChawenHalo 008 I’m not worried in the slightest. I’m sure we’ll do fine when we get out of this shitshow. From what I can tell, Germany isn’t do so great either.
lol
The Ivan,
geek-level pro bureaucrat, talks fast, makes a lot of sense per minute. 👌
JRM is the political Tommy gun of bullshits compared to him.
but zero common sense per minute.
Never once does he rationalize his pessimistic views of the UK's negotiating position against the fact the UK is a massive net contributor to the EU. Common sense dictates that, until he can do that ... you should be skeptical of everything he has to say.
Farage is actually much closer to correct in his assessment of the UK's position vs this guy. This is a scared ( or bought off ) bureaucrat rather than a real business man.
@@richardlefaive1944 LOL ... Comparing Farage knowledge about negotiations to Sir Ivan Rogers is not having a clue what you are talking about !! Do your research about Mr Rogers before wasting your time writing a comment .
About 80% of the UK economy is from services and the UK's exports of services to the EU is as large as the next eight countries put together. These services are also highly mobile which makes them vulnerable to relocation if there are barriers to EU bound exports. See around 11min of this excellent interview.
That is precisely why many Brexiteers were trying to change the EU regulation and separate between services and products, as if . Again demanding special treatment and having a tantrum blaming the EU when they said it was not possible.
She should ask Baldrick.
every time i recall David davis as our brexit minister, i self-flagellate...
Brexit has 'future Chilcott-style inquiry' written all over it.
If the PM refuses to resign (immediately) and the House of Commons refuses to leave the EU (immediately) then the MP's who respect the democratic system of Parliament need to walk out of the House and let the remaining members lie to each other. There does not seem to be a way to fire the whole governing body.
Amazing how spot on he is
would have been helpful for may to have listened to this man 2 1/2 years ago
She didn't and that is the reason he resigned from his position as the UK's Permanent Representative of the United Kingdom to the European Union. His view was that it would take at least 10 years before there would be a deal between the UK and the EU and that view didn't fit with the views of Theresa May, so he resigned January 2017.
It certainly would have. But what's really sad is that TM had this guy available to advise her and it looks like she did not listen to him
He's saying nothing that hasn't been said by many remainers for the past several decades... It just goes to prove that Brexit is about immigration (and the racist lies that underpin that racism), that won Brexit!
@@downwiththatsortofthing624 In fairness to T May, the one fact that we can gleam from the leave campaign was their desire to end free movement. My bafflement is that she chose to placate them at the cost of our economic well being at a time where we already have rampant poverty etc etc
@@ruk2227 Bafflement not required - Theresa May has always had a dislike of immigrants - at Tory party conference several years ago, she stoked fears of immigrants being allowed to enter the UK and then being allowed to stay if the had a cat and she said European human rights law allowed immigrants tom stay if they had cats - yes she really did say those kind of stupid daft anti-immigrant and some might say downright racist things:
www.theguardian.com/law/2011/oct/04/theresa-may-wrong-cat-deportation
Instead of spouting half baked I’ll thought out slogans and opinions why on earth don’t people just listen to the interview for Christ’s sakes.
If politicians can’t do their job or won’t do their jobs they should leave their jobs!
We need more technocrats in the UK like this man here.
Sir Ivan Rogers looks like a broken man. I don't blame him.
He knows that no good can come out of brexit. Thats why he has that face. If onlt he beleaved in unicorns
For a better understanding of the single market, it's better to call it the single economy. That's the level of integration and why Britan can't free ride on it.....
lot's of people highlight the clarity and insightfulness of the interviewee. Well, it is because he is a technocrat and bureaucrat. These terms have been vilified everywhere, not just in the UK , in the minds of the general and less knowledgeable public by populist politicians. People should learn again the difference between politicians and high civil servants/ technocrats and understand their role in modern politics.
Wonderfully reasoned, logical non accusatory, emotive comment from Gary Gibbons . The sort of British Ethic of Justice & fair play I grew up with in the colonies. Sadly, I see a total lack of this now. I will always be an Anglophile, but cannot support the cavalier treatment of the British people - it contradicts all the values I used to treasure about UK. To my joy , my friends & family still demonstrate these ethics.
I am sick at how nobody is doing anything about the behaviour of conservative this week ! SPOILT POSH BOYS
Absolutely incompetent after three Years,
Just remove both party's
Simple's=======🏁🏁
And then what?!
@@speedyhillski You sound disgruntled at the exposure of government,
@@achandler6583I'm disgruntled at people that claim that a simple solution would solve this mess. What happens when you topple a dictator? Carnage. If we disolve parliament who's going to run the country until a new parliament is created? Who's going to fund new political parties? Wealthy rich people. With these new parties and brand new mps who's going to have the knowledge to be ministers and run departments? So please explain how you can simply do that
@@speedyhillski The destructive tendencies of government have not yet run there course.
@@achandler6583 it's "their" course, in English. You haven't given much thought to what you wrote did you?
On the EU: "It does know how to run processes and rig processes". Something we are getting a rude awakening on.
De Gaulle was right the UK should never have been allowed to join. It is too much of a disruptive influence!!
Basically I don't really care what the EU think.
sounds as if you don't think
The UK has been a more troublesome member of our union for decades and a very ungrateful one at that. Always wanting the just perks and never any of the burden. What terrible short memory the UK seems to have, having been known as the poor man of Europe before joining the project. It seems that France's reluctance to let the UK join was actually warranted.
Now that the UK has shown their true colours, we'll be better off with them out of the union as both an example and a thorough spring cleaning.
Diggnuts don't forget those who voted to stay in the EU. Please leave the light on so that we can find our way home when we are on our knees
@@victoriacharlotte5960 move to France, simples.
@@cremvirus On France24 last night it was claimed that UK investment into France hade risen by 33% this year.
So we pay you lots of money, and we're ungrateful?
Brexit is ridiculous. About half of the votes were against it yet Theresa May and many more talk like brexit is the will of the people. Also more old people voted for leaving fewer young people did. The UK citizens were lied to by their politicians and by the media that the EU is at fault for all their problems. The referendum wasn't even binding. I hope the British people will realise that they are better of with us than w/o us and vote to rejoin in a couple of years when more racists and greedy old bastards have died and more young people are allowed to vote.
Theresa May was only ever concerned at stopping the free movement of European citizens. In her mind, Brexit was an ethnically motivated result and by taking a hard line against the freedom of EU citizens she had in essence delivered Brexit. As far as the trade deals were concerned she believed the hardliners were correct in their assumption that the EU is dependant on the UK, making trade deals a cinch. She thought her appointment was an easy ticket and her legacy would be that of the Prime Minister who rescued the UK from European invasion. It never occurred to Theresa May that those few MP's who had initially rallied for the Prime Ministers office suddenly made a hash of their intentions and quickly backed out with petty excuses of treachery among the flanks. I say it was then when Johnson, Gove and Leadsom fully understood why David Cameron had absconded in the first instance. Brexit was not deliverable. If it were, David Cameron would have remained to see it through to claim the victory. And to go down in British history as one of the greats.
spyros, I had believed that May, as a globalist follower of the Coudenhove-Kalergi movement, was intent on ALLOWING the free movement of people into Europe. Hence the influx of immigrants and their incredible treatment (far better than that of 'the locals') so that they can eventually outbreed the indigenous people and usher in sharia law. The breakup of the family unit is just one consequence of the rape (literally!) and pillage of the individual nations. Total chaos will see in their New World Order and WWW 111.
spyros @ @@catsnmi270
There is no deep conspiracy or secret agendas with politicians. Politicians are concerned with one thing only and is to retain and further their position in government. Ideology and pie in the sky promises are merely tools to get the electorate to vote for them and ultimately become Prime Minister. Theresa May has achieved this. Problem is she thought it was going to be a walk in the park and that the only thing she needed to be was ballsy enough on the issue of free movement. Which she did unfaltering.
Just to be clear, Muslims do not hail from Europe. They come from former British colonies, namely Pakistan. The same reason there are so many Zimbabweans. Ex Rhodesia. Not to mention Jamaica, Hong Kong...the list is very long where British imperialism ruled in the past over the brown, black, yellow and Muslim, Hinduism, Buddhism and Sikhism just too mention a few of the religions found in the UK. That issue I'm afraid you going to have to take it up with the Queen
Wow, someone who really knew his stuff - no wonder they had to fire him ;-(
He resigned
The E.U. LOVE GREAT BRITAINS MONEY AND WILL TRY KEEPING US IN THE UNION AS LONG AS POSSIBLE
Due to the disgrace of this PM over Brexit and most of the Conservative & Labour MP's , I will not vote for either party again. I will also not vote for anyone connected to these 2 party's in the upcoming Local elections in May. Roll on the next general election so we can put them out of a job.
@@niceoppapy Lol, Looks like Thimble's been let out for the day, but apparently I'm an angry brexiteer terrorist without a job so what do I know.
May is saying now that the only options are a deal, or revoking Article 50, and staying in the EU. Has she forgotten that her party told the UK voting population that the referendum result would be binding? We voted against "remain", so revoking article 50 is not a possibility. Or does a non-binding vote in the Commons outweigh a binding referendum?
With regard to voting Brexit. I would say that any British citizen who wants to send billions of pounds per year to a club of 27 countries and receive back less than a third is welcome to vote remain. I'm afraid as an ex civil servant I can see the obvious flaws in the E.U. It is obvious to me that this break from the EU has been coming for years. We managed very well before we even went into the Common Market and the Lisbon treaty and then the Maastrict treaty which John Major led us into finished us off as far Britains sovereignty is concerned.
Margaret Pilling
What is the point of been a club of 26+ countries if you are not willing to share sovereignty? How can decisions be made without unelected civil servants. We brits seem to think it ok when our civil servants so vast areas of our national life, and yet act like the end of the world when as a member of the club the same people with pretty much the same remit act as our do at european level. That to my mind is the fundamental question. We brits are simply uncomfortable, that foreigners make decisions over our heads that have a profound impact on fundamental aspects of our daily lives (approved by our ministers at european council level) Strange that, within my life time, half the planet had decisions made for them by us. Strange complex.
A club that is being turned into a superstate with its own army?
We're not the first to say no and they're trying to foist a 2nd referendum to insure we "correct" our vote.
So no you couldn't be more wrong.
It’s not about those wanting to work, it’s about those wanting to just walk in and go straight on benefits and able to claim more than citizens. Nobody has a problem with people being able work wherever you want. And that’s where the deal should be limited, to not free movement of anyone, just those with a job or a way of fully supporting themselves. What’s destroyed this whole thing is having an open door to not just Europeans, but to those walking in from countries outside of Europe too.
WOW! That is ignorance! For your information, EU citizens cannot directly claim benefits when they come, they need to contribute first and if not working they need to prove that they have their own means and private health insurance so that they will not be a burden to the system. However, it used to be as you said, simply because the UK Government did not bother to implement EU directives acting as tools to control economic migration within members of the EU. It only implemented them quite recently, whilst other members have done that from the beginning, which is what British emigrants have been complaining for years when they go to an EU country as they are treated with a lot of red tape, just as any other EU citizen. Also, it was the UK the member which pushed towards the EU Eastern expansion, and then decided not to put any limit in numbers or put a hold on their freedom of movement when most other countries did, up to 7 years. Again, our decision and our own fault, we simply wanted cheap labour as our lower class did not want to do those jobs. It has already been proved that the EU immigration contributes more than it receives, and because they are normally younger and stronger than our exported pensioners, they do not need as much medical attention.
You can’t end freedom of movement if you still want to maintain the other 3 freedoms of goods, services and capital. This has been the problem ever since the referendum back in 2016. The British government thought the EU would move on this point and give the UK a special agreement but 3 years later the EU haven’t done that. If the UK is out of the customs union and single market it will be able to control its borders but will also have to put up barriers for trade and services, which will ultimately make the UK worse off.
A good, experienced, sound candidate for next PM.
We, in the UK are diluted like talentless idiots on X Factor and our Brexiteers are the angery reaction when everyone is laughing at us
Why isn't this man the UK's PM?
He's not that kind of politician.
@@garyreynolds5733 He's not a politician at all, he's a former civil servant.
He has too much sense. Smart people rarely put their arses on the throne.
@@tessjuel Yeah, technically: But they are of the political world. I see civil servants as politicians without the populism, the narcissism, the public profile or ego: They operate without pandering to the plebs. Sometimes a dark art, rarely illuminated at all, in fact. But they're still working the deep inside the corridors of power and some of them are pretty political.
@@garyreynolds5733 That is a downright scary thought. Civil servants must *never* have that kind of position or power! If they do where you live, you really are screwed - I'm not sure if I'm talking about UK or EU or both there. And if people believe they do - justified or not, EU or UK or both - there's no wonder people revolt against their authorities.
Dr Liam Fox MP Secretary of State for International Trade . " should be the easiest deal in human history " . Or in other words, chief huckster .
@@ChubnCarp did you even watch the video?
A lot of insider information here. Damn, why UK, why? this is gonna get worse before it gets better. I spent a part of my secondary school years and my entire higher education years in the UK, left at the age of 25 to move to East Asia but as a European will I be able to or even want to go back to a place I spent nearly half of my early life in? If the opportunities are there, perhaps, but I am not too optimistic about the future of the UK at the moment. Sad.
Damn, why UK, why?"
Racism - yep it really is that simple, and that's why many many people voted to leave the EU... The Leave campaign played on fear that stupid people always have about 'outsiders' and said how millions and millions of Turkish people (and therefore likely Muslims), would descend on the UK unless they voted to leave the EU...
And just like millions of people throughout history, the stupids believe in racism and fear of outsiders and so voted to leave the EU...
@@downwiththatsortofthing624 You've clearly no idea of the wide range of reasons that prompted people to vote 'leave'... your ignorance is disturbing.
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Your choice as to where you live, given that you appear to have the resources to make that choice. Not everyone with a similar background shares your opinion. At the moment I'd rather live in the UK than Brunei!
Now its more or less 6 months since the deal is done, it would be good to see a series of interviews like this that reflect on where things are at now. So much has happened, not least all the Covid stuff I would love to see some interviews like this looking at how the 'relationship' is going.
You should check out the Conference recordings from the Brexit Institute (on YT) of the Dublin City University. It's a couple months old, but Ivan Rogers speaks at the final high-level discussion.
The problem is that all these leading Brexiteers are hiding in the fridge. They don't want to discuss it public...
No amount of factual reality can convince leavers. Do as they say and crash out then you can gloat but for now don't waste your time and energy. Its like flogging a dead horse.
and no amount of " factual reality " can convince remainers that the majority voted to leave ... you cannot undo that vote and you shall not ignore the voice of the people ..... leave means leave ... not have leave but still have one foot in the EU door .... leave but still have ties to the EU ...thats not leaving
@James Thompson i know right ...? Keep voting until your will is broken ...democracy at its best
@@alim3611 Like your house of common does the last few weeks?
@@alim3611 Only 38% of registered voters asked the Government to leave the EU, that means 62% of voters never asked for this to be done to them. People shouldn't have to vote for the status quo, they shouldn't have to tell the Government that they are not asking them to do something, simply not asking should be enough.
I note that neither mention the rising populist riots in the EU, or collapse of EU banks.
How is that related to brexit.
That was irrelevant to the discussion.
Its the £GBP thats collapsing. UK industry figures (British retail consortium, manufacturers etc.) loosing £800m per week. UK Banks: £1 Trillion of capital re-routed to the EU. 80% of the UK economy is contracting (ie: not growing).
For those who poo poo'd this post ... you have no clue. BOTH topics were VERY germane to Brexit.
In truth, the EU is running scared shitless. How do I know ? Becasue they are getting more authoritarian. See Articles 11 & 13, France's crack down on yellow vests, MSM blackouts and smearing of dissenters such as Tommy Robinson, along with many other examples.
Bully's are weak! This is truism. The truly confident and strong do NOT need to bully and behave this way ...
The EU's behavior since the 2008 financial crisis belies the true weakness of their current position which is a house of cards.
It's so rare to hear practical opinions like this these days. It's a shame that Britain lost a professional like him during the negotiation process.
Brilliant series.
How disrespectful to remove the EU sign from the British passports already!!!
The man knows his stuff, but, with all due respect, he said nothing about the democratic decision of the British people and how important it is to find the way to effectively act on it. Technical aspects are important but, ultimately, they must serve the will of the people. Why do they all keep forgetting that tiny little issue?
Yes everything he said was economic. What about democracy here and the unelected idiots like Tusk who wants to dictate to us when he is not accountable to any democratic process. It’s a slippery slope into dictatorship.
He also conveniently never once explained why, despite the UK being a massive contributor financially to the EU, the UK would be "beggared within weeks" after No deal and coming back to the table ... his completely unsubstatiated and , in the face of the overall net facts, nonsensical statements about the weakness of the British negotiating position belie his political leanings.
An establishment toady. Whose bread is being buttered.
I don't doubt for a second that what he said about the EU negotiators being better prepared is the one thing he said that is absolutely true. It's what they do. Britain will take some time to learn how to govern their own affairs after years letting "big brother" do it. The UK bureaucrats have become soft for sure. That is evident. But they will either learn or be replaced by a more competent new breed.
Its long overdue.
@@richardlefaive1944 I could not agree more. It is impressive how much they underestimate the UK's ability, given the EU's UK-dependency on so many levels. Let us just remember the English language was not chosen by mistake. The whole legal framework is a UK export and most of the treaties were written by English lawyers. Furthermore, the bureaucracy at the EU institutions is actually based on a UK model of the past. EU's negotiating power seems higher only because our MPs and the PM have indeed become soft. They simply do not have the capacity to first recognise the historic UK's influence and, secondly, they serve specific interests of big multinational corporations and banks. It is easy for this to inspire credibility and, as you said, he is not lying on many aspects. However, being selective with the truth is often worse than lying!
Excellent interview!
He is the expert who knows how to keep the Bubble inflated.
Frankly , the EU countries could’nt care less... we know the UK wants a brexit , what have to be ,shall be .
The EU stayed still the largest freemarket in the world & that is what matters . What rest is literature ....
Get on with it... or stay in the EU!
We never ever wanted to be in the EU in the first place .
@@alexalex8270 we did not have a referendum to join the EU we had a referendum to continue membership of the EEC .
@@snowyowel7961 But you always wanted access to the single biggest free market in the world, now you have to pay, and you'll have no say in making the rules that regulate this market, way to go Brits.
@@gabmano4877 We want to leave on WTO not pay the EU 50 million pounds every single DAYof every week .
@@snowyowel7961 You know what? This attitude of yours is something... Maybe after all things will be settled down I'll make sure not to buy anything british ever again, so you won't have to deal with us in the future.
The most tightly-worded non-stop interview I've ever heard to date. Excellent and, at the same time, painful considering the destination the UK is currently destined to reach, I'm afraid.
Finally someone who has given us a very balanced view of where we are and how bad the government have been due to their naivety and total lack of preparation both prior and post the referendum for a leave win. Plus the ineptness of the PM to understand how complex a situation she has inherited from "the Boy David"
@@rollosinternet1853 But it is OK for a convicted criminal to have the casting vote in parliament to stop the will of the people even after the MP's voted by a large majority to uphold the referendum result.
@@johnmoncrieff3034 If you defend democracy what is the problem with a qualified majority referendum with proper facts in both sides rather than blatant lies and unicorns? Get the information and consequences of both choices, then vote. I would even make security questions to be sure that voters know, understand and accept the consequences of their choices.
Vichy Britain. It was planned from the beginning.
At least before, while a full member, it was a leading Nazi eh? Now only a collaborator.
It's not a threat it will be welcome to the UK people no deal is what we want
Why are we still saying we didn’t know Brexit meant coming out of the single market and the customs union and the EU was surprised we were moving ‘so far away’. It was the whole crux of the referendum, the reason for the apocalyptic predictions. We were told it constantly! It’s the only way to break with the EU
Well done channel 4 news. The country needs more of this reporting. NOT THE BBC biased reporting.This person wants the TRUTH.
Let’s hope it’s proved May acted illegally with Her extension!
But we’ll destroy the EU from the inside with Anti EU MEP’s we send 😂🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Brexiteers often claim the EU Parliament is a rubber-stamping powerless puppet arm of a fascist dictatorship, so how could anti-EU MEPs have any effect from the inside?
Quantum Computation Quite easily when you add them to all the European Anti EU parties that have been elected to Brussels.
@@johnnyc792 So the EU Parliament is a democratically elected institution having the power not only to vote on all EU legislation but also elect its own President, the European Council President and vet all European Commissioners?
Andy Barker They don’t get the fact that this country, is made up of Free People, with Free Speech, and the right to vote out individual parties at will if they don’t serve our agenda.
Their slaves and don’t even realise it yet.
I think we should send our 'benefits battalion' over to Germany to breed and suck up their resources!
Sure the guy is very savvy. But it has nothing to do with anything at all. Somehow some are so clever they get their heads stuck up their own backsides. But all manner of people have their own understandings that determines their choice. And the only thing that should be relevant is the result of the Referendum and honouring it as was promised to the people.
I.e. I am fick but I wANTS WOT I wants so thats orl thAT MATTERS.
No. I think we deserve better. I think you deserve better too. Especially if you lack the wit to see it.
refreshingly , also a good interviewer ..... great questions , and he lets the interviewee answer , and is obviously listening as his next questions follow on what has been said , rather than continually interupting , and just following the scripted questions he has been given ...in some other peoples interviews i am convinced the interviewer has no understing of either the subject or the explanations given , but has just followed his/her scripted questions , and finished his/her list without having much , if any understanding of what just occured .
It is a mistake to think that the EU would back to UK with a better deal offer if UK leave with a no-deal Brexit. A no-deal or a bad deal Brexit ensure the EU that no other country will never try to exit the EU. As it was on the air in France during the presidential elections as well as in Italy.
Raul Mrqz, Yes, you are quite correct. The EU is petrified that other nations will follow suit. The UK HAS to leave with a NO DEAL. If they did that there would be a Frexit, Itexit, Spexit, Grexit and...... bye, bye European Union!
@@catsnmi270 During the last presidential, there was a party which proposed the frexit. Less than 1% of voters.
Yes definitively the French want the frexit !
You know nothing about the France except your own fantasy then you should shut up or to talk about something you know or understand like to be an idiot !
i think the E.U.should just kick us out,i voted for that,its our wish we will deal with the consequences
The problem is money. The problem is always money. The people of the UK voted to leave without a single thought of money but the political class in the UK are obsessed by money and where they are getting their next pay out. Agent May has actively been working for the EU since day one. It is all about how she and her party can survive this mess. Lets have a GE and get rid of all the traitors. Hopefully the new PM will be a leaver and put us back on the right path to leave. Yes ideally we would like to leave with a deal but one that works for both sides so if we have to start from scratch so be it but lets get it right this time. TM's deal is not in the best interests of the people of the UK.
and if the next ge turns out in favor of remainers? they would be still traitors? or does that make you a traitor on the will of the people? oh wait maybe you didn't get your well earned share of these traitors money in this sheme, so you turn to be the angry mob to torch the whole thing in your imaginary righteousness? right
What a sorry state of affairs. An ignorant electorate led by an ignorant government.
It is bizarre that MP voted that something should not happen. It is called no-deal for a good reason. It is the absence of a deal. The only way to avoid this is by having a deal, not a vote not to have a no-deal.
There must be something in the British water they use for their tea.