Sony A90J A80J OLED Dolby Vision White Point And Calibration : Dolby Dark vs Dolby Bright

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  • Опубликовано: 5 ноя 2024

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  • @warpathh
    @warpathh 2 года назад +5

    This video is pretty confusing IMHO; I understand this is a bit of a rabbit hole topic but in another video you said if we just use Warm and make the -3/-15 adjustments to it and apply that to DolbyVision Dark/Light that would get us pretty close in terms of white balance. Is that still true?

  • @kennethgross8079
    @kennethgross8079 3 года назад +12

    Much appreciate you sharing your settings and pointers on the Sony A80. I must admit to being lost. I used most of your recommended settings from your other two videos to include use of custom, expert 1, -3 for red and -6 for blue. When playing Dolby Vision content (default is DV Bright), are you saying to change the A80 to DV Dark to achieve the most accurate picture? And I think that you are also suggesting that I make some other changes along with using DV Dark? Can you elaborate? Please be as nontechnical a possible.

  • @alexortner2982
    @alexortner2982 3 года назад +9

    I want just one good setting for my a80j. I'll never switch it back and forth for different source material.

  • @mountainmystic1
    @mountainmystic1 3 года назад +4

    Are you still using a service menu offset from 512 for boosted brightness? If so could you please post those settings. Thank you in advance Classy. *EDIT-watched till the end where you explained that you need 20pt for it to work.

    • @J.O.R_BR_Overclocking
      @J.O.R_BR_Overclocking 2 года назад +2

      I’m guessing he is not using the service menu anymore? Só confusing I wish he was more organized in these settings videos 😔

  • @senseisprotege3632
    @senseisprotege3632 3 года назад +4

    So should I disregard the 20 point settings for Dolby Vision Bright from the 6500 vs 6800 vid?
    Or keep that for warm for Dolby Bright and apply these new values under a different color setting (expert 1 or 2)?
    You go back and forth on 2 options in every video it feels like, creating confusion.

  • @dariop6809
    @dariop6809 3 года назад

    great video! If i value gaming (PS5) and low quality movie watching, should i go A80J or G1?

  • @lousekoya1803
    @lousekoya1803 3 года назад +1

    Thank you , great channel ! just bought an A80J and there is ghosting and blurryness on youtube
    and Netflix , doesn't go away even with fine tuning the clarity , my internet speed is 100mgps , would you have a tipp on waht
    is causing this ? Regards !

    • @coronaboy10
      @coronaboy10 3 года назад

      I have an A80J too. I do not experience these issues with those apps. How long have you had it? Can you still exchange it?

    • @lousekoya1803
      @lousekoya1803 3 года назад

      @@coronaboy10 Thanks for your reply , have it since a week .

  • @wking8
    @wking8 11 месяцев назад

    How close do you feel these setting would work for the A80L?

  • @gzaros
    @gzaros Год назад

    How do you feel about adjusting the gamma to "add" some brightness to Dolby Vision Dark?

  • @wippywoozy330
    @wippywoozy330 3 года назад +1

    Thanks for another good video! I'm looking forward to your C1 48" settings video if that's still happening - I have the same panel and am looking forward to the ultimate OSD calibration guide. I have the service remote ready if needed.

  • @McFlipplenipps
    @McFlipplenipps 3 года назад +1

    Quick question Classy - are you still planning on doing a new settings video for your LG C1 48" - I have the same panel and am looking forward to the settings you use and if they're updated or different to the other C1 sizes recommendations - thankyou very much!

  • @jackrichards1703
    @jackrichards1703 3 года назад +6

    For a none technical person like myself Classy your far to Technical....break it down so simple tons like myself can understand

    • @Category5
      @Category5 3 года назад

      @@darius9534 Where do we put the offset? I have Calman for Sony and i1 pro, and understood I just need to calibrate SDR and the TV would do the rest. So I guess I calibrate SDR twice, with a second white point for DV Dark, but where do I put those offsets?

    • @Category5
      @Category5 3 года назад +2

      @@darius9534 Thanks Darius. I see it. So I use the AWP for D65 for Expert 1, and the offset one for Expert 2? Do I select REC.709 for both calibrations and let the TV calculate the REC2020 from that? This is my first OLED calibration. On my 900f I just did D65 2.2 709 and it did the rest.

    • @Category5
      @Category5 3 года назад +2

      @@darius9534 Awesome stuff. Thanks man! Yeah, with the 900f autocal was pretty bad. I could get way closer manually. The 900f was really cyan biased out of the box and calibration helped tremendously. The A80J is amazing in all respects but it's way too blue biased, and skin tones are red/purpleish. Never seen even a calibrated SONY get close to LG for skin tone, but LG has problems elsewhere.

  • @reviewforthetube6485
    @reviewforthetube6485 3 года назад +7

    Nice man I'm sure alot of people appreciate this def don't get why it would switch the d65 when using dark in expert 1 or 2 when d65 won't perceptually match anyways because of said issues with oled tvs like metameric
    Also most oled tvs I know of have metameric issues hell Michael Kowalski had metameric failure with the bvmx300 believe it or not.
    My lg c9 has this issue so does the c8.
    But yeah from my understanding and always has been all oled tvs suffer from some sort of metameric failures lol thats just common knowledge though.
    Thanks for the info though on how to help that's cool.
    Also why did yoy do the majority of the comparisons on dolby bright vs dolby dark with gradation preffered on? I know you showed differences with it off for a second but then you went through a whole role of scness with gradation preffered on I can do that and it changes the results. Turn it off and the results do differ a bit scene to scene. That's why some scenes with bright were darker then dolby dark turn it off as you should for reference dolby and the dark mode is darker most of the time. But i think you already know that. Which is why I didn't understand what you did there with the final roll of all those scenes with dtm gradation on. Dtm will change things. You showed a few scenes with dtm off first but thats all. If you notice though in the movie that you used or I should say show the witcher not the dolby used on spears n munsil the results differed alot and the dolby dark was darker in almost every scene in the show except for a few which is more of what im used to seeing. Your results def differ from mine on my a90j sure some scenes dolby bright may try to retain detial on but the majority of scenes I've tested dolby dark on my a90j is darker then bright with dtm off. But I do prefer dolby dark regardless I won't use dolby bright.
    Good video regardles
    My results with my a90j are. Dolby bright with gradation preffered on is darker then dolby dark with dtm off. But dtm on gradation preffeed in dolby dark is darker then dolby bright except for a few scenes here and there depends on which scene the bright chooses to retain detial instead of brightness on. Then with both off the dolby dark is darker 90 percent of the time. For me it looks better that way anyways I prefer the dolby dark look I'm someone who likes using this tv with more of the correct eotf. Sure I add some stuff to it here and there but I do prefer the correct eotf.

    • @ClassyTechCalibrations
      @ClassyTechCalibrations  3 года назад +1

      Dolby dark follows EOTF. Think of gradation preferred and brightness preferred as offsets. Gradation preferred will darken while brightness preferred will lift it. The same applies with Dolby Bright.
      When looking at the EOTF tracking if Dark/off is accurate, let's say 0, Bright/off lifts that to 3. Bright/gradation drops it to 1. Dark/gradation would be like -2. Dark/brightness would be like a 2. Bright/brightness would be like a 5.
      So generally when using bright I would use it with gradation so it's not lifting as drastically.
      I didn't show all the different combinations that would extend the video unnecessarily. The point was that scene to scene dark versus bright isn't what they are titled. For some scenes bright with brightness preferred can be darker than dark/off even.
      Because it's essentially a crap shoot, I'm just going to stick with dark/off to know that it's accurate.
      And yes, all OLEDs suffer metamorism, as do Quantum Dot and other types of panels.

    • @reviewforthetube6485
      @reviewforthetube6485 3 года назад +2

      @@ClassyTechCalibrations that's exactly what I do I will not use dolby bright I don't think any bright modes with dolby should be used. Imo the best part about dolby is its depth color depth detail and color detail that dynamic meta data baby. So for me it isn't about getting the brightest image with dolby. I really do prefer dolby dark as I said I may use extras sometimes on my a90j but I absolutely always use the mode that tracks closes to the eotf because I don't like my image being to bright or to dark. That's with any tv tbh. Also if I'm being real I would use dtm off before I would use brightness preffeed on hdr10 not even joking. Reason it stays really deep and rich lol.
      Now listen if others want to use it go for it I mean if they enjoy it great. I won't fault anybody for the way way like using there tv. Me though, I prefer dolby dark and I always will. People buy tvs and talk about brightness all day. Sure it's nice having the extra but when used correctly I don't like using it incorrectly when it comes to the eotf curve.

    • @444chroma
      @444chroma 3 года назад

      ​ @reviewfor thetube DV Dark is just so natural looking that's usually the most pleasant to my eye. DV Bright can give you a big impact depending on the scene (like something outdoors and bright) but then other times it will just end up pushing a more delicate image harder than it really should and you begin to see artefacts and such. I guess it's nice to have options. I think I picked up on what you were saying above... basically tonemapping should be set to OFF for all dolbyvision content because the dynameta metadata is already providing the most accurate tone mapping information. I think turning on gradation preffered or brightness preferred is counterproductive for DV content. That's probably why most TVs lock you out of fiddling with tone mapping in DV modes

    • @reviewforthetube6485
      @reviewforthetube6485 3 года назад

      @@444chroma exactly I don't think classy actually uses dtm when he watches it st home if he does it's ok all preference. But yeah dolby is already set turning on dtm defeats the purpose of the intent.

  • @richd5422
    @richd5422 3 года назад

    Hi classy enjoying your work 👍why does quantum keeps going in about motion on the Sony a80j I know you've had both in action what would you say. 👍

  • @Batman-eh9ww
    @Batman-eh9ww 2 года назад

    At 5:14 minutes if it’s too warm like
    On mine can you dial back on red and green ? Would that even it out with blue ?

  • @osicuta
    @osicuta 2 года назад

    Hi,
    Thanks for your hard work. Your settings rock. Can you tell me if I can use the spears and munsill disc with a ps5?
    Thanks!

  • @techmeout1362
    @techmeout1362 3 года назад

    The whole Dolby Dark vs Dolby Bright is enlightening. My TV is not calibrated, but watching Greyhound on AppleTV (internal app) i noticed dolby dark brighter than dolby bright. I also noticed that any content that i watch via AppleTV that is Dolby Vision apoears dim regardless and i do not find this to be the case with other apps (i.e. Netflix or Prime). Do you happen to know if there is an issue with the Apple app not playing nice with Dolby Vision? Thanks

  • @bilodeaujean-sebastein9963
    @bilodeaujean-sebastein9963 3 года назад

    Few months ago, I calibrate based on your video my A80j and my A90j for Dolby Vision Bright and Dark on the warm color temp( with 20p adjust) and service menu offset calibrate to accuracy settings. So which calibration is better between the 2 ?

  • @mrwalker6026
    @mrwalker6026 3 года назад +1

    I would luv to see a comparison with Sony A90J Oled vs Samsung qn900a 8k Qled in regards to upscaling content and picture quality since they are similarly priced here😬

  • @JRBowling1997
    @JRBowling1997 3 года назад

    Question please reply. I have the LG BX oled tv. Loving it. I have my oled light at 100 for dv cinema home!!! I noticed the other night when I moved the color part from 50 to 100 it looked better. Should I keep the color part at 50? Or 100? Thank you

    • @ClassyTechCalibrations
      @ClassyTechCalibrations  3 года назад +1

      Don't change the color setting

    • @JRBowling1997
      @JRBowling1997 3 года назад

      @@ClassyTechCalibrations what should I keep my color setting at? And should I use film maker mode for dv? Or cinema home?

    • @ClassyTechCalibrations
      @ClassyTechCalibrations  3 года назад

      @@JRBowling1997 leave color at default. Don't use Cinema Home for DV either. Both answers are if you want accuracy.

    • @JRBowling1997
      @JRBowling1997 3 года назад

      @@ClassyTechCalibrations so use film maker? What do I keep the color at tho? 50?

  • @cgaaikema
    @cgaaikema 3 года назад

    Hallo classy
    I am from Holland.
    Since a week or 7 i am owner of an 64 inch sony A84j.
    The difference with an A80 j seems a brighter panel of the A 84 j.
    I saw your videos on you tube, and it is quite interessant to see all your
    callibrationsettings of the a80 j.
    It is not possible for me to use the calman app.
    My question is if you have picture settings from the juddmodification values of the tv.
    If you will publish it , i am thankfull.
    I hope it will fit in the A84j.
    Thanks, and greetings from holland, moestuin

  • @arielrodriguez6980
    @arielrodriguez6980 2 года назад

    So anytime you use Dolby Vision the HDR tone mapping should be off?

  • @PkwyDrive13
    @PkwyDrive13 2 года назад

    I'm so lost with these settings for new TVs...I just got a 65" A80J after having a Sony Bravia for like 12 years... So all this picture tuning is just confusing me but I want it to look as good as it can. But I'm way out of touch on the tech for TVs now apparently

    • @ClassyTechCalibrations
      @ClassyTechCalibrations  2 года назад

      This video should help you.
      ruclips.net/video/WENlzzLKERM/видео.html

  • @BrainwavezzAdviceTopicsLLC
    @BrainwavezzAdviceTopicsLLC 3 года назад

    Thank you for this information and all you do Classy!

  • @michaelwyckoff7593
    @michaelwyckoff7593 3 года назад

    Hey Classy another great vid man.

  • @carlosbarrada6482
    @carlosbarrada6482 3 года назад

    In the channel of stop the fomo video where john reformato and robert zhon chats with fomo, Reformato talks about an adjustment to get 430 nits in SDR in sony. Could you explain how to do it? Thanks

  • @wtbhavani
    @wtbhavani 3 года назад

    Hey out of context a bit .. if my G1 65” is priced about 200 Usd lower than A80j in the country where I live , which one should I choose

  • @pb24dagrk
    @pb24dagrk 3 года назад

    If for example I'm interested in just using the Sony Judd AWP for Dolby Vision, I can just calibrate to that in Expert 2 while calibrating to D65 in Expert 1...and then use Expert 1 for SDR/HDR10 and Expert 2 for DV. Correct?

    • @ClassyTechCalibrations
      @ClassyTechCalibrations  3 года назад +2

      That would give you D65 for all content, yes.

    • @pb24dagrk
      @pb24dagrk 3 года назад +1

      @@ClassyTechCalibrations ok coo thanksl. And I do understand the metameric failures but I don't get too hung up on it since it relies on perceptual matching, and we (especially males) have varying degrees of eyesight anyway when it comes to colors. So unless I have the reference monitor next to me, I keep it simple.

  • @dclowz586
    @dclowz586 2 года назад

    How do I activate dolby vision settings on the a80j? I can't get dolby vision to work.

    • @ClassyTechCalibrations
      @ClassyTechCalibrations  2 года назад

      Did you change the HDMI port setting to enhanced (port 1 or 2) or enhanced Dolby Vision (port 3 or 4)?

    • @dclowz586
      @dclowz586 2 года назад

      @@ClassyTechCalibrations yes port 3 enhanced dolby going to arc port in my onkyo reciever with apple 4k tv hooked up and sony x700 4k player. Ps5 is hooked up to port 4 with a 2.1 cable.

    • @ClassyTechCalibrations
      @ClassyTechCalibrations  2 года назад +1

      @@dclowz586 on the appleTV make sure match content is turned on and the on the x700 you will have to enter the settings and turn on DV for each DV compatible disc

    • @dclowz586
      @dclowz586 2 года назад

      @@ClassyTechCalibrations so I can't get dolby vision on the apple 4k tv. I turned match content on and still nothing. I did get it on apps on the TV though. Is this because my avr can't pass through dolby vision? Its onkyo txr 747.

    • @ClassyTechCalibrations
      @ClassyTechCalibrations  2 года назад +1

      @@dclowz586 not sure. Connect the ATV to HDMI port 1 or 2 (set to enhanced) and just use eARC for the audio if it supports it. Or, don't worry about DV because HDR10 is more consistent and better most of the time anyway.

  • @juanlicona924
    @juanlicona924 2 года назад

    This looks like a class for profesional technician’s no for normal people got lost a confuse next

  • @ac7384
    @ac7384 3 года назад

    What 4k disc players you reccomend. Budget Mid. And no budget

    • @444chroma
      @444chroma 3 года назад

      Budget...... UB420 (no DV) or Sony UBPX700 (DV has to be manually switched)
      Mid range .....UB820 (same picture as UB9000 just no hifi audio components)
      High end.... Oppo 203 or UB9000 (impressive build quality and components)

  • @kommandantklink5032
    @kommandantklink5032 3 года назад

    This is not a criticism of Classy but there are way to many settings to change on TV's for the average person who wants to plug it in and watch content the way the creator intended. Settings out of the box should give you that. So many of the videos I watch say turn off this setting and turn off that setting. One has to ask why do the makers of the TV's have those settings turned on in the first place? Settings for SDR content, settings for HDR content. Settings for motion, Settings for watching movies, settings for watching sports. The average person is not going to know to make adjustments or even want to. I realize that some settings like color or brightness are for taste and I am fine with those but motion is one that really bothers me. Motion is motion. Way to many what I call bugs in picture quality and poor quality control of panels are the items that should be addressed by manufactures instead of worrying about 8K resolution.

  • @shawnnkalon2965
    @shawnnkalon2965 3 года назад

    Hi hope u fine .
    I from India. Watch lots of sports especially on my dish 1080p resolution always, and youtube programmes .
    Have a samsung q7fn 4k 75 inch tv from 3 years .
    Want to upgrade to 85inches.
    Samsung qn90a
    In 8ks
    Samsung qn900r it's 2018 model ( much cheaper now]
    Samsung qn 800t 2019 model( expensive)
    Samsung qn 900a 2021 model.( expensive )
    Oled want to consider too but fear this burning issue and this thing that they work best in dark room.
    I have a normal bright room. So is oled viable.

  • @brianlasker5697
    @brianlasker5697 Месяц назад

    I only have 10p color why do you have 20p

  • @Oceanandskylinevidss
    @Oceanandskylinevidss Месяц назад

    Damn it just let me copy your settings

  • @TechCody113
    @TechCody113 3 года назад +1

    x90j sucked literally colors was just off no matter what settings you used, last year and this year have been junk for tvs i’ll start that especially this year