I was done after the original trilogy !, I have no time whatsoever for prequels & turning out shit ! just to keep a franchise going, long after it's been done to death!!! & don't get me started on the whole "let's take what could barely make a movie, & stretch it out over a series & flog it off via streaming services!" , Sigh!!! don't waste my time, or money !.
I respectfully disagree with a few of the points you made re: - the show appears to be an exercise in repeated exposition and episodes 3 and 7 being unnecessary and 7 not adding any extra value. I do think episode 7 delivered value in showing this from the perspective of the Jedi and it shows how trauma can change the way we recollect the same collective memory - making the Jedi look like boring bureaucrats means Jedi just isn't cool anymore - I do think that this is the whole point of this show (and also Andor) was to explore this side of Star Wars which I think some fans actually do want to see As a long time fan of Star Wars, I really enjoyed The Acolyte and I do think it's interesting that you rank Obiwan Kenobi higher as I personally thought that was probably the worse series and spinoff that we didn't really need and if anything, I saw that series as Disney just really over-doing the Star Wars Skywalker story which honestly at this point is just so overdone. I appreciate that perhaps viewership could be observed as "objective" indicator as to the show's quality but I am curious if the drop off we see in this chart is actually more a result of this large portion of the Star Wars fanbase being so repulsed by this shift in direction from the "canon" Star Wars of the 2000s or even the pre-prequels. "Is this what getting old feels like" if anything I suspect this seems to be the best answer to why maybe you didn't like The Acolyte based on other comments I've read by others who didn't enjoy it. To me, this show seemed to be for the first time targeted to a younger demographic, bringing a fresh perspective which I think is exciting - some might call it "woke" but why must we bring politics into everything? Can we not all enjoy the same super cool universe of Star Wars that has captivated so many fans? Are younger fans and older fans not allowed to just find different things exciting and cool?
I absolutely agree with your summary. The Jedi *are* boring when they’re an institution with the power - This show clearly wanted to show the rot the Jedi had been experiencing for so long in being around in that form for so long… they weren’t all heroes, they weren’t all great, they weren’t all virtuous. They were just a bureaucratic system like any other that had many flaws. It expanded on what the prequels were trying to say - blind to what’s really going on, too invested in keeping their place of power. Their lack of transparency and insistence on members not being able to express their emotions pushed people to become more extreme than they otherwise would be. The Sith are not nice - they’re more shifty than the jedi, but the Jedi sit on their high horse pretending they are faultless. The Sith at least they allow their members to express themselves. (I also loved how Qimir clapped back when asked why he killed the padawan - he wasn’t the one that put her in the situation.)
the only thing that I was outraged when it came to the Acolyte, was the amount of fucking corporate welfare it got from THREE different Australian governments.
Production incentives should require a deeper analysis, but the core of them is that the government spends a few million taxpayer dollars to attract large production companies to spend tens of millions in our economy. Almost all of the money the Aus governments contributed to it would have gone into the pockets of local employees in VFX studios in Victoria and South Australia, and the remainder being paid by Disney itself. Disney in turn reduces its costs by… I dunno… 30-40% depending on the deal, and makes profit off the back of it in streaming subscriptions. One could argue that a trillion-dollar entity like Disney should pay for 100% of its own damn production costs, and if it wasn’t for the local production incentive, it probably would… in another country where it’s cheaper. The fact is governments all over the world are competing to attract these companies, and it’s very much akin to exporting our skills to overseas companies. The handful of millions exchanged in the form of tax breaks or rebates and whatnot is an investment that more than doubles the amount spent, which would end up in another country’s economy instead if we didn’t compete. The local employees here get paid their $50-80k a year each, which they spend on food, transport, housing, etc. and keeps them off the dole, plus there’s the film and TV production economy, which benefits in the form of the provision of high-end equipment, university training for artists, and the wider benefit that fully home-grown shows get from having high quality assets and talent on our doorstep.
@rarewhiteape absolutely NAILED it. We live in a world where we have to spend money to make money and governments are no different when it comes to economic growth/stability. It's why gov spend millions on things like the Olympics because it's literally an investment into the flock of tourism that will spend possibly hundreds of millions. This is why remove tax cuts from big businesses isn't an easy solution to the economy. Because technically we're only afloat BECAUSE these corporations are incentivised to invest here. The moment we raise them too high compared to another country who's willing to take them in, we lose jobs and economic growth. I hate it. But that's how it works. You want the big players to give you their millions? You gotta make them feel like they're getting a better return investing in you than the other guy.
This is the first I've heard of Acolyte and most of the others you mention WTF, it's comfy under this rock, I wasn't expecting StarWars but, cool, thanks for the update. You actually did a good review on something I didn't know was going down. I wouldn't let culture wars stop me from watching something, I guess because I don't get involved and like I think Carlin said "ppl are idiots" so any opinion comes with a grain of salt
We have different views, I loved those flashback episodes. I think it's ok to really enjoy the show, whilst noting it's not oscar worthy writing. But really, star wars have never been like that. People just build it up in their heads to be something more than it is. We left the series wanting more. It's all personal opinion, once you take away all the woke vs anti-woke discourse. We are generally big starwars fans in our household, and we enjoyed this much more than the Andor series, which seems to get all the neckbeards hot and heavy. To each their own. I like there is different flavours of star wars for different people, much like how I like Marvel has been doing the same thing. It's a shame people have to crap all over series that just weren't meant to have them as the target audience rather than accepting all things don't need to cater to all people.
To me nothing can better the original trilogy (Episodes 4,5 and 6). These movies are magical. So enthralling are they, that they surpass criticism, and enter the realm of the mystical. It's not that we are nostalgic. My kids today were instantly taken by them, and promptly forgot all the others (yes, the prequels, episodes 7,8,9 and most of the series). This means to me that magic may simply be just too hard to capture again, and those making current day Star Wars erroneously place plot over story, scope over majesty and lore over myth. Perhaps that is the way it should be, lest we become to accustomed to it, and forget to relish that which made the original movies so special.
Reminds me of the hoo-ha over “Rings of Power”. Lots of “culture war” sledging re ethnicity of characters while a lot of the serious reviews pointed out just how flawed the series was re plot and characterisation. The overriding fact is the mega-corps that own the rites to these franchises are just counting on fan appeal until the cows are milked dry.
I don't know about a "gradual reduction in quality", I think there's a pretty obvious line in the sand starting with a disregard for the history of the fan base and the new hero being better than everyone else in the movie without any training at all in episode 7. That trend was continued, no regards for Star Wars other than the brand recognition with some accidentally OK pieces, like Andor and the first season of the Mandalorian, coming out as well, but, by the time Andor was released I had already completely lost interest in anything the new Star Wars had to offer.
As a Star Wars nut that has loved Star Wars ever since I can remember. I 100% agree with everything you said about the show. While there were some cool bits, the series was incredibly slow moving, poorly written, and really could've been put into an hour and a half to 2 hour movie. I just don't see how this show was worth $150 million to make. Many of the props seemed like fake props from a 1960's episode of Lost in Space or something. But you're right in that it became hijacked by left v right social politics. I was framed as being a bigot because I didn't enjoy it. Yet for me, I didn't see the show as "woke." It was just poorly written. I had been looking forward to The Acolyte for about a year. Finally, we were going to break away from the Skywalker saga. I'd watched a lot clips on RUclips about the characters, so I knew who was in it. Not for once did I see it as woke. I couldn't care what the colour of the skin were of the actors, I couldn't care what gender they were or sexuality. Star Wars has always been full of all sorts. So I knew what I was in for. I just wanted to see a good Star Wars show, breaking away from Skywalker. Unfortunately, The Acolyte failed for me. But I still got framed a "bigot" because I didn't enjoy it. This social political extreme left v extreme right has to stop. It does no one any good.
Excluding Andor which is the best of them by a long way, (and way better than The Snoozalorian), they all suffer from padding and not knowing their audience (as you mentioned). They seemed trapped in the 'do we make it for kids, adults or families'. Andor is the only one that appears to have been made for adults and had actual script development. I outgrew it after The Empire Strikes Back 🤭
5:03 I think this is to show the start of the decline era of the Jedi Order between the end of the High Republic and the Prequel Trilogy. And getting tangled in day-to-day tasks and Republic admin stuff is a good way to show this.
I actually really liked it. Even after what you said and your own thoughts. It's the first piece of live action Star Wars which is digging into the Sith side of things. Blurring the lines between what's good and evil, giving a glimpse of how the sith operate. It was cool to see imo. I didn't know about any of the shit going on about woke this or that, or whatever people were shitting on it for. I didn't recognise any actors other than Trinity and didn't know anything about them. The series irked me in the bit right at the end when she tried to cover it up, it was complete naff. I want to know more about how the Sith guy got to be where he is, obviously green lady messed up, and scary shadow guy taught him and the sith ways.
I liked that part, too. The story was decent, just poorly executed. The sith as tortured outcasts is an excellent depiction of them, and much better than what we got in most of George's movies, Dooku and Vader being an exception. Sidious and Maul were comic book villains
Thanks for a change in this channels content. Even though this channel is not an entertainment review channel i still think this peice fits in well as you comment on how on line reviews have really gone off the rails with its lack of constructive criticism and just politicised hate speach towards a show. It is a little harder to stay focused while watching Start Wars at my age as the story lines aren't that engaging, good v bad is as deep as it gets sometimes. I still like it for its visuals, it's a beautiful show to watch with its unique Sci fi look and style. Keep it up, love your work.
Depends if you want entertainment or depth. That slow build up lost a lot of die hard star wars fans, but gained the respect of people that appreciate science fiction.
When i saw this come up in my feed i thought wtf is Swollen Pickles talking about this for? But after watching it I'm so glad you did, you hit the nail on the head, as you always do. Except for the order star wars tv shows
Exactly that, all the stories have been good if only all these flogs would stop trying to be offended by everything....that goes for both sides of the fence.
The Star Wars I grew up with as a child in the 70’s-80s was epic, because it was unique. And I was a child. But Disney Star Wars is so boring bland and lifeless in the series, I wonder why they bother
I’d rather they went back to quality of quantity to be honest. It’s like Disney are using it to prop up their streaming service, need to churn the next one out to keep people subbed.
Hard to believe it's worse than Boba Fett, that was a dumpster fire, especially when you take out what were basically 2 episodes of the Mandalorian. And you could have really made a great organised crime drama out of the Boba Fett plot line if you had good writers. Alas was not to be.
Have to admit I have not seen it. Was told at the end two Lesbians somehow conceive a child (using the force perhaps???) and thought, NAH. It should have remained as a "story," like growing up with Cowboys and Indians or Pirates, or whatever in Space. Entertainment, escapism, not what it is and has become since being sold off by Lucas.
As a 13 year old, going to see Star Wars when it first came to Aus was amazing. Absolutely loved it and the next two sequels. Many decades later I finally got around to watching the next three sequels and was bored throughout all three. Completely lost interest in it but I'm still glad I saw the first three.
Causation: terrible writing. Correlation: “woke” (meaningless term of course). If you’ve dealt with PAs or EAs they know EVERYTHING down to the kids’ favourite colours and their preferred seat at a restaurant. It’s literally their job. Perfect storm.
There is something to the getting old argument. After seeing the last Jedi and recounting the problems with the film to a friend, he turned to me and said, maybe you just don't like Star Wars.... I guess there was some truth to that. But the the poorly written story and terrible structure of the film had to have something to do with it as well.
Gotta be honest, the problem with all the Stars Wars (live action) TV series (could be argued the most recent movies too) has been that they are "content". All very okay shows that are enough to entertain someone looking for more Star Wars to watch. But who wants okay extra content when we have everything to watch now?
Good analysis for sure. I think a fud sang cameo would've really lifted the series Uncertain of if it's a good idea for this sort of topic to be on the channel though- there's a lot of other people doing culture war media commentary stuff and I feel it maybe brings down the tone of the rest of what you do a bit.
@stephencowie696 It is a notion of not following leadership blindly. Question your leaders, and keep them in check. Don't willingly sign over your freedoms for convenience.
Personally I enjoyed it, but then again, that may be due to the low expectations I have of modern media, making it easier to switch my brain off and just enjoy things for what they are, rather than analysing the media in any depth.
Pretty much watched it because it was there, already subscribed so didn't cost me anything. Definitely didn't have the excitement that existed for Andor and mandalorian.
Once "woke" simply meant not being Rodney King. In other words being aware of the issues in your community like racial violence and its outcome so that you didn't get arrested or unalived.
You could have been more biting when covering how this show was targeted by bad actors. Don't worry, I will be. There are fan cuts of the various Disney series that improve them. And if you like Star Wars but want something more mature, consider Star Trek TNG, DS9, Evangelion, Planetes, Cowboy Bebop, and The Expanse. Not to mention the kany great movies set in space. And you didn't even mention Star Wars Visions. Or the decent "Tales of" series of shorts.
Yes I agree a show should not be judged by how much it cost, what it made at the box office how it leans culturally, I just want to know if its good or not, but usually those other traits are shoved in my face, i really see no value in it.
For me the peak of starwars was the stuff focused on the clones and the games there of, think SW battlefield 2, SW the clone wars/rebels or Republic commando. Everything else I've dropped off.
Had no idea it was being called woke, i don't watch tv. Also never cared for star wars, was boring as a kid and episode 1 didn't help things, never got into it. They should kill the series but Disney can't do that as they don't make anything original anymore. Honest reviews just had a go at it. So did Ryan George, I liked his take on it. Explained how stupid it is.
My biggest criticism of The Acolyte is that it is simply so. f#$king. boring. Good moments surrounded by mediocrity. It's the worst thing something could be: utterly forgettable. Which is a shame because it could have been something genuinely cool. We could have seen the rise of Darth Bane and the Rule of Two. But no, we got more "The Jedi are bad actually"TM
I enjoyed the fight scenes and found the exploration of the jedi vs non- Jedi force users pretty interesting. But the pacing and cinematography really let down the whole show. Alot of the complaints from "fans" have felt really disingenuous though. There's almost nothing "woke" about it and the griping about how it's ruined Star Wars lore is just flat out wrong. Eg. Fire in space has been a thing since New Hope. It's like they decided to hate it before the first episode came out. Overall I think the Acolyte is just "okay". Nowhere near Mando or Andor, but still much better than Boba Fett.
That’s not what I did at all, but you probably realise that. People have loved the show, people have hated the show. Then there are people that can only view things through the lens of a culture war and live for the outrage. Personally I found the show to be a big disappointment, had it not been for the Star Wars association I probably wouldn’t have made it past the half way mark. So yeah complex emotions, a franchise I’ve grown up with thats dying a slow death thanks to market greed and saturation.
Poor Star Wars: it has gone the way of many Sci-Fi franchises and remakes (Star Trek, Lost in Space etc). Studio's milking as much as they can to attempt to re-capture the initial magic. I watched the movies with diminishing interest, and watched about 2 episodes of the Mandalorian with no interest. CGI replacing story and plot lines and filled with new opportunities for toys and merch. After "The Empire Strikes Back" it slowly, then quickly died. I'm not surprised about the Acolyte, I will give it a miss. Your comments on the Marvel universe echo my thoughts...where are the great Sci-fi scripts, stories and movies now, because the current offerings are mediocre
Let's face it, Star Wars have been movies for kids and teenagers since 1977 and almost all writers involved (especially George Lucas) have refused to give it a more mature consideration.
Starwars was not made for kids lol they didn't even have a toy line when the first one came out and rushed to fix that when it's popularity exploded. That's total garbage. Smouldering romance between Han leia, the heroes journey, nods to classic science fiction etc etc etc Whatever youtber told you that is pretty clueless and reaching.
@@zorastin the hobbit has a hero's journey, the hunger games has romance, Harry Potter has both, and they're all written for kids or teenagers, except with better dialogue. And if by 'nods to classic science fiction' you mean 'plagiarised from Dune' then I guess you've got me there, although Dune was only 12 years old at the time so hardly classic.
@@h273309 this is just cope and retconning to justify incredibly bad writing and dei elements. There are no kid watching current day Disney star wars. It's for nobody. It's really really bad. .
@@zorastin I'm not defending new star wars, I'm aware it's shit, but Rise of Skywalker grossed more Return of the Jedi so I'm pretty sure people are watching. In case you forgot, Return of the Jedi is the one where the Empire was defeated by teddy bears.
@@h273309 yes that was to cash in on the toy line but in no way was starwars originally made for children that's total cope by people trying to jusirfy how bad its become.. The themes and adult romance for starters and the deep but boring political themes in the sequels. Lucas's was just saying that to keep his buyer happy. It wasn't made for children lol
Your argument became void when you put Mando above Andor lol. The Acolyte absolutely had issues but I think you kind of miss the point on the overarching theme / sense of degradation of the Jedi order they were trying to convey. I would still rate this above Kenobi even with its flaws
Personally I feel like I have outgrown starwars a bit, in my situation I just need to be an adult, but honestyl Disney killed the magoc of starwars as soon as they discarded the old expanded universe. And making the new stuff shit
its.. bland because of the exposition spam... seriously whole episodes of stuff your supposed to allow audiences to figure out - show dont tell.. but also dont linger on something for soooo long we as an audience dont care when it finally happens - i.e that bs end to the fight in episode 1... all that great work (really great fight) screwed up by switching to that bartender for 30 years... just throw the knife and let the audience see it when the character does... instead they made it feel like the damn jedi had eons to save him so "getting past her defense" felt dumb. totally agree about the two episodes on the witches... WHY?... good story drawn and quartered... for what reason? loved the change to the twins switch trope though and good fight scenes even though the generally ended in exposition to allow more poor story dribbling.
Usually love your vids but this one missed the mark a bit. The main issue with The Acolyte was how it broke from canon. Ki Adi Mundi appearing 30 years before he was meant to be born. Being aware of the “sith”, which breaks canon as they were meant to be dead for 1000 years. Yoda not being aware of the changes in the force, especially with that many Jedi dying. Etc etc. too many inconsistencies with canon. Fire in space was the least of its worries! Oh, and also, they did say why they were collecting samples - because of the strong vergence on the planet. Keep up the vids anyhow! Great to see you back and firing.
Noo please don't leave me :( sw isn't that bad altogether, but it's just being spread very thinly (in contrast to the saturation argument) to attempt to appeal to every age group or demographic with the expense of good character writing and story.. We're not getting too old, they are just getting too slack and confused with their visions. One pot, 15 fuckin chefs.. yet in the end It's just adding to the imperfect mosaic of the saga, and like the sighing, somewhat jaded, sometimes bitter, begrudging family members, we can criticise and protest some decisions while still loving the universe and always coming back to contribute.
Disney is a production company, they don't write the movies, they pay a wide varietyof people to write them. If you stop listening to grifters you realise how fucken dumb what you said is.
@@Ineluki_Myonrashino it's not. whatever clueless RUclipsr told you that is reaching. They didn't even have a toy line lined up for the first one and had to rush to secure one when it's popularity exploded. Han and leias smouldering romance, the hero's journey, nod to classic science fiction and westerns etc etc. Seriously I think you've got it twisted. Hahaha so wrong and then the prequels with their boring long politics storyline...... yeah sure fella truly for kids. I think someone's been leading you astray
But you can easily see how many people viewed it(aka: liked the show), it was easily the worst Star Wars show ever, and by a country mile too. So you can tell how good it was, well unless math no longer has meaning anymore. It was just bad in every conceivable way you can possibly think of. Being a woke mess was just one of the bad parts.
Pray it never comes - if games are anything to go by - games workshop don't give two shits about what people do with their IP. They are so hit and miss, what we need are all the fan creators to somehow form a studio and get given a budget to create something. I love me some grim dark but the only one that can save us is Henry Cavill and we all know it.
Woke nonsense aside, the show had so many plot holes/armour, the show was absolutely horrible. I mean, she crashes her ship into a planet...the ship is destroyed and yet, she wakes up in the middle without a scratch. Cmon. The writing as well seems like it was written by children. The villain for me was the saving grace...but barely. His lines were bad and he was not built up as a character at all.
Ehh I've lost interest in most of Star Wars. Except Andor. Andor is based! That and the stupid "war on woke" is a joke. The fact that Acolyte is terrible is NOTHING to do with woke and all to do with shite writing.
Thats why it's woke. Pandering tokenistic, diversity.. its plain and simple to see. That's why the writing is so bad. Most people who are complaing about woke stuff don't have a problem with woman or black people in their media..its the way it plays out and creates such cardboard one dimensional charcters and the continual retconning of lore is redoculous and makes no sense. I gave up on one of my most cherished franchise after the last jedi as they did Luke and Han dirty and basically just redid a new hope. They have nothin
@@zorastin Being "woke" has nothing to do with bad writing. You can have the anti-progressive brigade, negatively reviewing movies, calling them woke despite them being well written. Bad writing is bad writing, regardless of DEI, or better representation of minority races, sexualities etc.
@@schrenk-d of course they do. Half the stuff that comes out has dei for dei sake and its boring asf and really bad writing. They think that's all they have to do is make the the main character a woman,gay black etc and the jobs done. You can have any of those factors and have a good piece of media ut they don't do that. It's mostly tokenistic corporatism. Take your left right blinkers off.
They're alao punping put way too much content. I didn't enjoy Andor cause inwas just over it ar the time, even the last season of Mando left me thibking meh.
I don't think you have out grown star wars. It is poor writing and story telling. More effort is put into the wrong places instead of making a good story and keeping to the law of the universe while expanding on it. It is more of a case of we want to make what we want regardless of the legacy of the original. I think some people have got a problem with how wokeness is put front and centre in a lot of cases. Or at least that is the way they feel. Instead of creating a story that is worth telling that includes woke elements that may make the viewer question their views or for the more hard core anti woke may just tolerate it. That is the point of science fiction to attempt to get people to question their views on current social or important issues.
-"...that they'd take soil samples... hard to forget..." That's NOT what they were doing. "The Jedi were something mysterious, at least that's what I remember when i was a kid....turned into boring bureaucrats..." Yeah I really think if you're going to review the SWU stuff you do need to actually watch the stuff and actually pay some kind of attention. So much you're saying in this review just screams that you didn't watch the show nor understand the universe. The Jedi were ALWAYS boring bureaucrats. That's why they were exterminated, because they'd become bloated and corrupt and became victims of their own arrogance. The Acolyte is this story. The shows you watched - New Hope, ESB, and RotJ, portrayed the story as big bads vs big goods, but underneath it all were not only extreme cosmic horrors (like the Outer Rim, the Jawa backstory etc etc) but also deep nuance and political commentary. Only those who, in the long gap between the OG films and the Prequels, got into the extended universe understood just how vast the SWU is. The Empire was so successful not just because of their extreme violence, but because they had very valid reasons that the galactic population agreed with for wiping out the Jedi. The Acolyte is a perfectly fine addition to the media. So too was Bobba's Book, and Ashoka. Andor was stellar. They all have their place. Go back and watch the OG films and you'll see many, many holes in plot and quality. In fact, they're just not really that good. If we're going to judge them by the standards we judge the new Disney stuff, they were abysmally bad. Remember children, you did not experience the great Star Wars drought, where the ONLY Star Wars we had was Lumpy the Wookie, the first Wookie to appear on the Galactic Sex Offenders registry.
I just wish they would leave all of this garbage out of my Sci-Fi shows, I don't want any woke or non-woke or political or sexual or gender orientation garbage in my Sci-Fi shows, if wanted to watch this crap I would just watch the adds on 7, 9 or 10... they ruined James Bond, then they ruined Doctor Who, they ruined Star Treck and now they are ruining Star Wars, I just want to watch my Sci-Fi as a tech nerd with all the techy nerdy things and leave the personal crap out it, period, I'm even okay with a garbage BS story, bad acting and low budget sets, just as long as its pure Sci-Fi.
Legitimate criticism? It’s genuinely a sh*t show full of lazy writing. It’s a genuine diversity tickbox exercise at cost of $180m. Some okayish fighting scenes but the story is just dog sh*t 😂
The original definitely wasn't based on the Vietnam war, or US imperialism, and informed by fascism. What was it that George Lucas said? "It's about space ships!" Wait, that wasn't it. Rather, he "it's not about space ships." Star Wars is to the left of you, and always has been.
@@SocialDownclimber The original was personal points regarding the war etc, where's as these politics are those of giant corporations who want to trans your kids and make you think men can be women. This is a much deeper evil
So when you people hear that QUT is no longer hiring based on 'merit' in favour of a more 'inclusive' approach, what do you call that? Empathy? Hiring based on who you feel sorry for?
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Honestly, didn't like it, but its not because of casting or wokeness, just found it bland and poorly written and paced.
A great way I heard it phrased was: would it be a better show if all the leads were male.
No, the blandness would still be there
Yeah almost like they put Mary Sue characters in just for representation and were immune to learnings because any criticism was written off as sexism.
Agree 100%
Welcome to streaming !!!!
I was done after the original trilogy !, I have no time whatsoever for prequels & turning out shit ! just to keep a franchise going, long after it's been done to death!!! & don't get me started on the whole "let's take what could barely make a movie, & stretch it out over a series & flog it off via streaming services!" , Sigh!!! don't waste my time, or money !.
I respectfully disagree with a few of the points you made re:
- the show appears to be an exercise in repeated exposition and episodes 3 and 7 being unnecessary and 7 not adding any extra value. I do think episode 7 delivered value in showing this from the perspective of the Jedi and it shows how trauma can change the way we recollect the same collective memory
- making the Jedi look like boring bureaucrats means Jedi just isn't cool anymore - I do think that this is the whole point of this show (and also Andor) was to explore this side of Star Wars which I think some fans actually do want to see
As a long time fan of Star Wars, I really enjoyed The Acolyte and I do think it's interesting that you rank Obiwan Kenobi higher as I personally thought that was probably the worse series and spinoff that we didn't really need and if anything, I saw that series as Disney just really over-doing the Star Wars Skywalker story which honestly at this point is just so overdone.
I appreciate that perhaps viewership could be observed as "objective" indicator as to the show's quality but I am curious if the drop off we see in this chart is actually more a result of this large portion of the Star Wars fanbase being so repulsed by this shift in direction from the "canon" Star Wars of the 2000s or even the pre-prequels.
"Is this what getting old feels like" if anything I suspect this seems to be the best answer to why maybe you didn't like The Acolyte based on other comments I've read by others who didn't enjoy it. To me, this show seemed to be for the first time targeted to a younger demographic, bringing a fresh perspective which I think is exciting - some might call it "woke" but why must we bring politics into everything? Can we not all enjoy the same super cool universe of Star Wars that has captivated so many fans? Are younger fans and older fans not allowed to just find different things exciting and cool?
I absolutely agree with your summary. The Jedi *are* boring when they’re an institution with the power - This show clearly wanted to show the rot the Jedi had been experiencing for so long in being around in that form for so long… they weren’t all heroes, they weren’t all great, they weren’t all virtuous. They were just a bureaucratic system like any other that had many flaws. It expanded on what the prequels were trying to say - blind to what’s really going on, too invested in keeping their place of power.
Their lack of transparency and insistence on members not being able to express their emotions pushed people to become more extreme than they otherwise would be. The Sith are not nice - they’re more shifty than the jedi, but the Jedi sit on their high horse pretending they are faultless. The Sith at least they allow their members to express themselves.
(I also loved how Qimir clapped back when asked why he killed the padawan - he wasn’t the one that put her in the situation.)
the only thing that I was outraged when it came to the Acolyte, was the amount of fucking corporate welfare it got from THREE different Australian governments.
It's not welfare if you make a profit ...
Production incentives should require a deeper analysis, but the core of them is that the government spends a few million taxpayer dollars to attract large production companies to spend tens of millions in our economy. Almost all of the money the Aus governments contributed to it would have gone into the pockets of local employees in VFX studios in Victoria and South Australia, and the remainder being paid by Disney itself. Disney in turn reduces its costs by… I dunno… 30-40% depending on the deal, and makes profit off the back of it in streaming subscriptions.
One could argue that a trillion-dollar entity like Disney should pay for 100% of its own damn production costs, and if it wasn’t for the local production incentive, it probably would… in another country where it’s cheaper. The fact is governments all over the world are competing to attract these companies, and it’s very much akin to exporting our skills to overseas companies. The handful of millions exchanged in the form of tax breaks or rebates and whatnot is an investment that more than doubles the amount spent, which would end up in another country’s economy instead if we didn’t compete.
The local employees here get paid their $50-80k a year each, which they spend on food, transport, housing, etc. and keeps them off the dole, plus there’s the film and TV production economy, which benefits in the form of the provision of high-end equipment, university training for artists, and the wider benefit that fully home-grown shows get from having high quality assets and talent on our doorstep.
@@tazgecko The profits arent taxed in Australia.
@rarewhiteape absolutely NAILED it. We live in a world where we have to spend money to make money and governments are no different when it comes to economic growth/stability. It's why gov spend millions on things like the Olympics because it's literally an investment into the flock of tourism that will spend possibly hundreds of millions.
This is why remove tax cuts from big businesses isn't an easy solution to the economy. Because technically we're only afloat BECAUSE these corporations are incentivised to invest here. The moment we raise them too high compared to another country who's willing to take them in, we lose jobs and economic growth.
I hate it. But that's how it works. You want the big players to give you their millions? You gotta make them feel like they're getting a better return investing in you than the other guy.
@@rarewhiteape If I wanted to read some regurgitated neo-liberal think-tank bullshit I'd have a subscription to TheAustralian.
This is the first I've heard of Acolyte and most of the others you mention WTF, it's comfy under this rock, I wasn't expecting StarWars but, cool, thanks for the update. You actually did a good review on something I didn't know was going down. I wouldn't let culture wars stop me from watching something, I guess because I don't get involved and like I think Carlin said "ppl are idiots" so any opinion comes with a grain of salt
We have different views, I loved those flashback episodes. I think it's ok to really enjoy the show, whilst noting it's not oscar worthy writing. But really, star wars have never been like that. People just build it up in their heads to be something more than it is. We left the series wanting more. It's all personal opinion, once you take away all the woke vs anti-woke discourse. We are generally big starwars fans in our household, and we enjoyed this much more than the Andor series, which seems to get all the neckbeards hot and heavy. To each their own. I like there is different flavours of star wars for different people, much like how I like Marvel has been doing the same thing. It's a shame people have to crap all over series that just weren't meant to have them as the target audience rather than accepting all things don't need to cater to all people.
MANDO over ANDOR?!?! (in keanu voice) NO WAY ....... !
That was the most shocking part of this video honestly
To me nothing can better the original trilogy (Episodes 4,5 and 6). These movies are magical. So enthralling are they, that they surpass criticism, and enter the realm of the mystical. It's not that we are nostalgic. My kids today were instantly taken by them, and promptly forgot all the others (yes, the prequels, episodes 7,8,9 and most of the series). This means to me that magic may simply be just too hard to capture again, and those making current day Star Wars erroneously place plot over story, scope over majesty and lore over myth. Perhaps that is the way it should be, lest we become to accustomed to it, and forget to relish that which made the original movies so special.
Reminds me of the hoo-ha over “Rings of Power”. Lots of “culture war” sledging re ethnicity of characters while a lot of the serious reviews pointed out just how flawed the series was re plot and characterisation. The overriding fact is the mega-corps that own the rites to these franchises are just counting on fan appeal until the cows are milked dry.
Haven't checked out rings of power yet. It's on my list.
I don't know about a "gradual reduction in quality", I think there's a pretty obvious line in the sand starting with a disregard for the history of the fan base and the new hero being better than everyone else in the movie without any training at all in episode 7. That trend was continued, no regards for Star Wars other than the brand recognition with some accidentally OK pieces, like Andor and the first season of the Mandalorian, coming out as well, but, by the time Andor was released I had already completely lost interest in anything the new Star Wars had to offer.
As a Star Wars nut that has loved Star Wars ever since I can remember. I 100% agree with everything you said about the show. While there were some cool bits, the series was incredibly slow moving, poorly written, and really could've been put into an hour and a half to 2 hour movie. I just don't see how this show was worth $150 million to make. Many of the props seemed like fake props from a 1960's episode of Lost in Space or something. But you're right in that it became hijacked by left v right social politics. I was framed as being a bigot because I didn't enjoy it. Yet for me, I didn't see the show as "woke." It was just poorly written. I had been looking forward to The Acolyte for about a year. Finally, we were going to break away from the Skywalker saga. I'd watched a lot clips on RUclips about the characters, so I knew who was in it. Not for once did I see it as woke. I couldn't care what the colour of the skin were of the actors, I couldn't care what gender they were or sexuality. Star Wars has always been full of all sorts. So I knew what I was in for. I just wanted to see a good Star Wars show, breaking away from Skywalker. Unfortunately, The Acolyte failed for me. But I still got framed a "bigot" because I didn't enjoy it. This social political extreme left v extreme right has to stop. It does no one any good.
Excluding Andor which is the best of them by a long way, (and way better than The Snoozalorian), they all suffer from padding and not knowing their audience (as you mentioned). They seemed trapped in the 'do we make it for kids, adults or families'. Andor is the only one that appears to have been made for adults and had actual script development. I outgrew it after The Empire Strikes Back 🤭
5:03 I think this is to show the start of the decline era of the Jedi Order between the end of the High Republic and the Prequel Trilogy. And getting tangled in day-to-day tasks and Republic admin stuff is a good way to show this.
if you dont look at it it goes away
I actually really liked it. Even after what you said and your own thoughts. It's the first piece of live action Star Wars which is digging into the Sith side of things. Blurring the lines between what's good and evil, giving a glimpse of how the sith operate. It was cool to see imo. I didn't know about any of the shit going on about woke this or that, or whatever people were shitting on it for. I didn't recognise any actors other than Trinity and didn't know anything about them. The series irked me in the bit right at the end when she tried to cover it up, it was complete naff. I want to know more about how the Sith guy got to be where he is, obviously green lady messed up, and scary shadow guy taught him and the sith ways.
I liked that part, too. The story was decent, just poorly executed. The sith as tortured outcasts is an excellent depiction of them, and much better than what we got in most of George's movies, Dooku and Vader being an exception. Sidious and Maul were comic book villains
Scary shadow guy is called Darth Plagueis the wise. The master of Darth Sidious.
Agree, Mandolorian was easily the best! The Critical Drinker’s reviews of this series has been the most accurate in my view.
Thanks for a change in this channels content. Even though this channel is not an entertainment review channel i still think this peice fits in well as you comment on how on line reviews have really gone off the rails with its lack of constructive criticism and just politicised hate speach towards a show.
It is a little harder to stay focused while watching Start Wars at my age as the story lines aren't that engaging, good v bad is as deep as it gets sometimes. I still like it for its visuals, it's a beautiful show to watch with its unique Sci fi look and style. Keep it up, love your work.
Mando over Andor? You've lost me there
Yup. Personal taste is subjective but I still think that's cap lol
Hard to beat the epic feeling of the sets in Andor. I hope season 2 won't undermine what was such a great self-contained series in its first run.
I liked Mando season 1 over Andor.
this
Depends if you want entertainment or depth.
That slow build up lost a lot of die hard star wars fans, but gained the respect of people that appreciate science fiction.
When i saw this come up in my feed i thought wtf is Swollen Pickles talking about this for? But after watching it I'm so glad you did, you hit the nail on the head, as you always do. Except for the order star wars tv shows
I was taken to see Star Wars in '77 as a 10 year old padawan and began my training. It has been a great story since, thats all, a great story.
Exactly that, all the stories have been good if only all these flogs would stop trying to be offended by everything....that goes for both sides of the fence.
The Star Wars I grew up with as a child in the 70’s-80s was epic, because it was unique. And I was a child. But Disney Star Wars is so boring bland and lifeless in the series, I wonder why they bother
I’d rather they went back to quality of quantity to be honest. It’s like Disney are using it to prop up their streaming service, need to churn the next one out to keep people subbed.
Swollen Pickles covering Star Wars?!
Surprised, you are??
I thought this is what his other channel was for? ;-D
What was the woke part about all this?
Hard to believe it's worse than Boba Fett, that was a dumpster fire, especially when you take out what were basically 2 episodes of the Mandalorian. And you could have really made a great organised crime drama out of the Boba Fett plot line if you had good writers. Alas was not to be.
Have to admit I have not seen it. Was told at the end two Lesbians somehow conceive a child (using the force perhaps???) and thought, NAH. It should have remained as a "story," like growing up with Cowboys and Indians or Pirates, or whatever in Space. Entertainment, escapism, not what it is and has become since being sold off by Lucas.
I agree on all your criticisms, yet still found it enjoyable enough to make it to the end.
As a 13 year old, going to see Star Wars when it first came to Aus was amazing. Absolutely loved it and the next two sequels. Many decades later I finally got around to watching the next three sequels and was bored throughout all three. Completely lost interest in it but I'm still glad I saw the first three.
I just hope this bomb doesn't scare people out of investing in Andor. Really want to see the second season of that.
Same. It was a slow burn at the start but second half was really good.
Causation: terrible writing. Correlation: “woke” (meaningless term of course). If you’ve dealt with PAs or EAs they know EVERYTHING down to the kids’ favourite colours and their preferred seat at a restaurant. It’s literally their job. Perfect storm.
There is something to the getting old argument. After seeing the last Jedi and recounting the problems with the film to a friend, he turned to me and said, maybe you just don't like Star Wars....
I guess there was some truth to that. But the the poorly written story and terrible structure of the film had to have something to do with it as well.
Pickles, whats your order of the movies? Best to worst?
Gotta be honest, the problem with all the Stars Wars (live action) TV series (could be argued the most recent movies too) has been that they are "content". All very okay shows that are enough to entertain someone looking for more Star Wars to watch. But who wants okay extra content when we have everything to watch now?
Good analysis for sure. I think a fud sang cameo would've really lifted the series
Uncertain of if it's a good idea for this sort of topic to be on the channel though- there's a lot of other people doing culture war media commentary stuff and I feel it maybe brings down the tone of the rest of what you do a bit.
Growing old means jumping off Star Wars but then switching to Dune.
Growing old or maturing?
@@SteveJB that too.
Dune? please tell me what part of dunes story is mature?
@stephencowie696 It is a notion of not following leadership blindly. Question your leaders, and keep them in check. Don't willingly sign over your freedoms for convenience.
@@ibd1977isnt that just the prequel trilogy?
Love this change of topic!
Personally I enjoyed it, but then again, that may be due to the low expectations I have of modern media, making it easier to switch my brain off and just enjoy things for what they are, rather than analysing the media in any depth.
If you turn your brain off, it had some fun action. The choreography was lacking, but it was fun
Pretty much watched it because it was there, already subscribed so didn't cost me anything. Definitely didn't have the excitement that existed for Andor and mandalorian.
Once "woke" simply meant not being Rodney King. In other words being aware of the issues in your community like racial violence and its outcome so that you didn't get arrested or unalived.
You could have been more biting when covering how this show was targeted by bad actors. Don't worry, I will be.
There are fan cuts of the various Disney series that improve them. And if you like Star Wars but want something more mature, consider Star Trek TNG, DS9, Evangelion, Planetes, Cowboy Bebop, and The Expanse. Not to mention the kany great movies set in space.
And you didn't even mention Star Wars Visions. Or the decent "Tales of" series of shorts.
Yes I agree a show should not be judged by how much it cost, what it made at the box office how it leans culturally, I just want to know if its good or not, but usually those other traits are shoved in my face, i really see no value in it.
As a kid of the seventies and eighties I regret rewatching Star Wars thirty years later and realising how bad it was. Pure kids series.
For me the peak of starwars was the stuff focused on the clones and the games there of, think SW battlefield 2, SW the clone wars/rebels or Republic commando. Everything else I've dropped off.
should've warned us before playing a clip from rita lmao
Had no idea it was being called woke, i don't watch tv. Also never cared for star wars, was boring as a kid and episode 1 didn't help things, never got into it. They should kill the series but Disney can't do that as they don't make anything original anymore.
Honest reviews just had a go at it. So did Ryan George, I liked his take on it. Explained how stupid it is.
There are 3 stars wars movies. Everything else is a commercial to make money.
My biggest criticism of The Acolyte is that it is simply so. f#$king. boring. Good moments surrounded by mediocrity. It's the worst thing something could be: utterly forgettable.
Which is a shame because it could have been something genuinely cool. We could have seen the rise of Darth Bane and the Rule of Two. But no, we got more "The Jedi are bad actually"TM
4:18 you realize you're comparing technology 300 years apart?
I enjoyed the fight scenes and found the exploration of the jedi vs non- Jedi force users pretty interesting. But the pacing and cinematography really let down the whole show.
Alot of the complaints from "fans" have felt really disingenuous though. There's almost nothing "woke" about it and the griping about how it's ruined Star Wars lore is just flat out wrong. Eg. Fire in space has been a thing since New Hope. It's like they decided to hate it before the first episode came out.
Overall I think the Acolyte is just "okay". Nowhere near Mando or Andor, but still much better than Boba Fett.
Couldn’t have said it better
Would rather watch paris olympic ceremony😏👍🏻✌🏻
Describing hating women and black people as complex emotions got me.
That’s not what I did at all, but you probably realise that.
People have loved the show, people have hated the show. Then there are people that can only view things through the lens of a culture war and live for the outrage.
Personally I found the show to be a big disappointment, had it not been for the Star Wars association I probably wouldn’t have made it past the half way mark. So yeah complex emotions, a franchise I’ve grown up with thats dying a slow death thanks to market greed and saturation.
Poor Star Wars: it has gone the way of many Sci-Fi franchises and remakes (Star Trek, Lost in Space etc). Studio's milking as much as they can to attempt to re-capture the initial magic. I watched the movies with diminishing interest, and watched about 2 episodes of the Mandalorian with no interest. CGI replacing story and plot lines and filled with new opportunities for toys and merch. After "The Empire Strikes Back" it slowly, then quickly died. I'm not surprised about the Acolyte, I will give it a miss. Your comments on the Marvel universe echo my thoughts...where are the great Sci-fi scripts, stories and movies now, because the current offerings are mediocre
Let's face it, Star Wars have been movies for kids and teenagers since 1977 and almost all writers involved (especially George Lucas) have refused to give it a more mature consideration.
Starwars was not made for kids lol they didn't even have a toy line when the first one came out and rushed to fix that when it's popularity exploded. That's total garbage. Smouldering romance between Han leia, the heroes journey, nods to classic science fiction etc etc etc Whatever youtber told you that is pretty clueless and reaching.
@@zorastin the hobbit has a hero's journey, the hunger games has romance, Harry Potter has both, and they're all written for kids or teenagers, except with better dialogue.
And if by 'nods to classic science fiction' you mean 'plagiarised from Dune' then I guess you've got me there, although Dune was only 12 years old at the time so hardly classic.
@@h273309 this is just cope and retconning to justify incredibly bad writing and dei elements. There are no kid watching current day Disney star wars. It's for nobody. It's really really bad. .
@@zorastin I'm not defending new star wars, I'm aware it's shit, but Rise of Skywalker grossed more Return of the Jedi so I'm pretty sure people are watching.
In case you forgot, Return of the Jedi is the one where the Empire was defeated by teddy bears.
@@h273309 yes that was to cash in on the toy line but in no way was starwars originally made for children that's total cope by people trying to jusirfy how bad its become.. The themes and adult romance for starters and the deep but boring political themes in the sequels. Lucas's was just saying that to keep his buyer happy. It wasn't made for children lol
Your argument became void when you put Mando above Andor lol.
The Acolyte absolutely had issues but I think you kind of miss the point on the overarching theme / sense of degradation of the Jedi order they were trying to convey. I would still rate this above Kenobi even with its flaws
It was close. I really did enjoy Andor particularly the second half. After a second season it might move in to top spot.
Personally I feel like I have outgrown starwars a bit, in my situation I just need to be an adult, but honestyl Disney killed the magoc of starwars as soon as they discarded the old expanded universe. And making the new stuff shit
They didn't discuss it so much as co-opted. They're now using the expanded universe in a way that they don't have to compete with it.
its.. bland because of the exposition spam... seriously whole episodes of stuff your supposed to allow audiences to figure out - show dont tell.. but also dont linger on something for soooo long we as an audience dont care when it finally happens - i.e that bs end to the fight in episode 1... all that great work (really great fight) screwed up by switching to that bartender for 30 years... just throw the knife and let the audience see it when the character does... instead they made it feel like the damn jedi had eons to save him so "getting past her defense" felt dumb. totally agree about the two episodes on the witches... WHY?... good story drawn and quartered... for what reason? loved the change to the twins switch trope though and good fight scenes even though the generally ended in exposition to allow more poor story dribbling.
Usually love your vids but this one missed the mark a bit. The main issue with The Acolyte was how it broke from canon. Ki Adi Mundi appearing 30 years before he was meant to be born. Being aware of the “sith”, which breaks canon as they were meant to be dead for 1000 years. Yoda not being aware of the changes in the force, especially with that many Jedi dying. Etc etc. too many inconsistencies with canon. Fire in space was the least of its worries!
Oh, and also, they did say why they were collecting samples - because of the strong vergence on the planet.
Keep up the vids anyhow! Great to see you back and firing.
Like the odd milkshake dune 2
There is a special place in hell for people that use the word 'woke'.
What if I'm describing someone who stopped being asleep?
Also the ones that say wake up will ya✌🏻👍🏻
I hope so.
You sir have never been to a church meeting and it shows. I have been to a few and I feel like I somehow wasted years of my life.
Noo please don't leave me :( sw isn't that bad altogether, but it's just being spread very thinly (in contrast to the saturation argument) to attempt to appeal to every age group or demographic with the expense of good character writing and story.. We're not getting too old, they are just getting too slack and confused with their visions. One pot, 15 fuckin chefs.. yet in the end It's just adding to the imperfect mosaic of the saga, and like the sighing, somewhat jaded, sometimes bitter, begrudging family members, we can criticise and protest some decisions while still loving the universe and always coming back to contribute.
SP bullying GD🤔. Waving the 'woke hysteria' warning flag 🤔. Sad.
Just stop at ROTJ
Disney writing is simply far too basic, designed for children rather than a more deep and interesting story
Don't get it twisted, Lucas said it himself, the original STAR WARS was written for 12 year olds, it's a franchise made for kids mate.
Disney is a production company, they don't write the movies, they pay a wide varietyof people to write them. If you stop listening to grifters you realise how fucken dumb what you said is.
@@Ineluki_Myonrashino it's not. whatever clueless RUclipsr told you that is reaching. They didn't even have a toy line lined up for the first one and had to rush to secure one when it's popularity exploded. Han and leias smouldering romance, the hero's journey, nod to classic science fiction and westerns etc etc. Seriously I think you've got it twisted. Hahaha so wrong and then the prequels with their boring long politics storyline...... yeah sure fella truly for kids. I think someone's been leading you astray
Wooo.
There are ONLY 3 Star Wars movies, the rest is just puuukey rubbish.
I agree, although I'm curious to know what 3 you're referring to.
Because let's face it, A New Hope and Return of the Jedi are actually kinda stupid.
But you can easily see how many people viewed it(aka: liked the show), it was easily the worst Star Wars show ever, and by a country mile too. So you can tell how good it was, well unless math no longer has meaning anymore. It was just bad in every conceivable way you can possibly think of. Being a woke mess was just one of the bad parts.
*waits for Warhammer 40k*
Pray it never comes - if games are anything to go by - games workshop don't give two shits about what people do with their IP. They are so hit and miss, what we need are all the fan creators to somehow form a studio and get given a budget to create something. I love me some grim dark but the only one that can save us is Henry Cavill and we all know it.
@@moqo well that's the one I'm wainting for.
Woke nonsense aside, the show had so many plot holes/armour, the show was absolutely horrible.
I mean, she crashes her ship into a planet...the ship is destroyed and yet, she wakes up in the middle without a scratch. Cmon.
The writing as well seems like it was written by children.
The villain for me was the saving grace...but barely. His lines were bad and he was not built up as a character at all.
How many times has a ship crashed on SW and the pilot walked away? It happened in TESB at least twice. Why is that a problem now?
Does anyone still care about this franchise?
Ehh I've lost interest in most of Star Wars.
Except Andor. Andor is based!
That and the stupid "war on woke" is a joke.
The fact that Acolyte is terrible is NOTHING to do with woke and all to do with shite writing.
Thats why it's woke. Pandering tokenistic, diversity.. its plain and simple to see. That's why the writing is so bad. Most people who are complaing about woke stuff don't have a problem with woman or black people in their media..its the way it plays out and creates such cardboard one dimensional charcters and the continual retconning of lore is redoculous and makes no sense. I gave up on one of my most cherished franchise after the last jedi as they did Luke and Han dirty and basically just redid a new hope. They have nothin
@@zorastin Being "woke" has nothing to do with bad writing.
You can have the anti-progressive brigade, negatively reviewing movies, calling them woke despite them being well written.
Bad writing is bad writing, regardless of DEI, or better representation of minority races, sexualities etc.
@@schrenk-d of course they do. Half the stuff that comes out has dei for dei sake and its boring asf and really bad writing. They think that's all they have to do is make the the main character a woman,gay black etc and the jobs done. You can have any of those factors and have a good piece of media ut they don't do that. It's mostly tokenistic corporatism. Take your left right blinkers off.
@@schrenk-d well we will have to just disagree. it very much is and it is a lazy shortcut that creates bad writing.
They're alao punping put way too much content. I didn't enjoy Andor cause inwas just over it ar the time, even the last season of Mando left me thibking meh.
I don't think you have out grown star wars. It is poor writing and story telling. More effort is put into the wrong places instead of making a good story and keeping to the law of the universe while expanding on it. It is more of a case of we want to make what we want regardless of the legacy of the original. I think some people have got a problem with how wokeness is put front and centre in a lot of cases. Or at least that is the way they feel. Instead of creating a story that is worth telling that includes woke elements that may make the viewer question their views or for the more hard core anti woke may just tolerate it. That is the point of science fiction to attempt to get people to question their views on current social or important issues.
-"...that they'd take soil samples... hard to forget..." That's NOT what they were doing.
"The Jedi were something mysterious, at least that's what I remember when i was a kid....turned into boring bureaucrats..." Yeah I really think if you're going to review the SWU stuff you do need to actually watch the stuff and actually pay some kind of attention. So much you're saying in this review just screams that you didn't watch the show nor understand the universe.
The Jedi were ALWAYS boring bureaucrats. That's why they were exterminated, because they'd become bloated and corrupt and became victims of their own arrogance. The Acolyte is this story. The shows you watched - New Hope, ESB, and RotJ, portrayed the story as big bads vs big goods, but underneath it all were not only extreme cosmic horrors (like the Outer Rim, the Jawa backstory etc etc) but also deep nuance and political commentary. Only those who, in the long gap between the OG films and the Prequels, got into the extended universe understood just how vast the SWU is. The Empire was so successful not just because of their extreme violence, but because they had very valid reasons that the galactic population agreed with for wiping out the Jedi.
The Acolyte is a perfectly fine addition to the media. So too was Bobba's Book, and Ashoka. Andor was stellar. They all have their place. Go back and watch the OG films and you'll see many, many holes in plot and quality. In fact, they're just not really that good. If we're going to judge them by the standards we judge the new Disney stuff, they were abysmally bad.
Remember children, you did not experience the great Star Wars drought, where the ONLY Star Wars we had was Lumpy the Wookie, the first Wookie to appear on the Galactic Sex Offenders registry.
I just wish they would leave all of this garbage out of my Sci-Fi shows, I don't want any woke or non-woke or political or sexual or gender orientation garbage in my Sci-Fi shows, if wanted to watch this crap I would just watch the adds on 7, 9 or 10... they ruined James Bond, then they ruined Doctor Who, they ruined Star Treck and now they are ruining Star Wars, I just want to watch my Sci-Fi as a tech nerd with all the techy nerdy things and leave the personal crap out it, period, I'm even okay with a garbage BS story, bad acting and low budget sets, just as long as its pure Sci-Fi.
Star Wars is Woke and crap these days 🤮
Legitimate criticism? It’s genuinely a sh*t show full of lazy writing. It’s a genuine diversity tickbox exercise at cost of $180m. Some okayish fighting scenes but the story is just dog sh*t 😂
It was woke alright - but not the good kind of woke.
Good kind?
@@benjamingriswold2564 political awakening = good. Gender swap and throw a few trans in = bad
I think it was decently woke, in the true sense of the word, just poorly written. Generation Tech has a good review.
It was never review bombed, the real fans saw it for what it was, politicised messaging crap
Unlike the original star wars, which had no political or cultural baggage at all 🤦♂
The original definitely wasn't based on the Vietnam war, or US imperialism, and informed by fascism. What was it that George Lucas said? "It's about space ships!" Wait, that wasn't it. Rather, he "it's not about space ships."
Star Wars is to the left of you, and always has been.
@@SocialDownclimber The original was personal points regarding the war etc, where's as these politics are those of giant corporations who want to trans your kids and make you think men can be women. This is a much deeper evil
1 star reviews were being added on mass before episodes even came out. So yes, it was review bombed
@@ItsJustDoctor BS, they don't allow reviews before the premier. But people knew the trailer was really really bad, universe breaking
You say "woke" as though it's not a thing 😂
People use that term for things… they just don’t like, it’s entirely lost it’s real meaning in 2024
Its not though. When people deliberately try to make something anti-woke, some people still think it is woke. Woke is in the eye of the beholder.
It's a thing - a thing made up by sociopaths to discredit the notion of empathy, a basic human ability which they lack.
So when you people hear that QUT is no longer hiring based on 'merit' in favour of a more 'inclusive' approach, what do you call that? Empathy? Hiring based on who you feel sorry for?
@@benjamingriswold2564 "what do you call that?" - reductive, lacking context.
"Hiring based on who you feel sorry for?" - No, I would never hire you.