God, I love the RAT so much. It just sounds like every great alternative/hardcore record I grew up listening to. Great demo. If I didn't already have my dream RAT from Kinnatone, the Rattler would be up there.
I just got this pedal and my first impression was that unboxing it makes you feel like a VIP. Everything is really premium. Build quality is insane and the sound is incredible, but I wish it had the filter control. It does seem a little thicker on the lows, but because of this I'm not sure it can fully replace a RAT's unique EQ.
jam pedal is a nice sounding rat. it seems to have more low end and more volume, but is the same pedal as the proco.. great sounding distortion... i am just curios about the feeling when playing both, if there is any difference "under your hand" while playing between the two...
I'd give this one to the Rattler, but it's very close. The extra gain is actually usable, and the sound overall is a little clearer and more detailed. Whether you would hear the difference in a band context I doubt.
I am so happy about this Thank you thank you The RAT is the heart and soul of my tone and I want to get a modern copy to be on the portable pedal board so this series will be super helpful to me as well as a DELIGHT
Hey Ryan, with in the opening and such a week theme you gonna nail it... and your likes and followers gonna grow fast because you are doing a great job. I ll be excited to see every episode. I always wanted a shootout of all those pedals, beside the red one that did not know it.. I m considering for a couple of months now to pull the trigger on the gorilla or iron horse.. the woodcutter is relatively complicated to buy it in Europe. I bought the Rattler and sent it back cause it was cutting too much low end for my taste... but it had a great clipping and feel... I could say Rattler is silky and rat is crispy.. For the moment I have a Rat 2 op07, You dirty Rat, a moded Rat 2 with a bass boost and a mooer black secret.. I love all of them.. sooner or later I ll have to buy 2 or 3 pedals of your reviews..because Rat is my favourite clipping in front of my Hot rod deluxe made in USA... maybe you could include 1981 even I m not sure if they have LM 308 inside.. Keep the nice themes man.. I m getting a big fan of your channel!!
when i was in planning stages, i considered doing something that would include the DRV as i have a number of them in my collection and enjoy the pedal quite a bit. that said, it isn't a LM308 and i thought that was a good trial for the series. if it goes well, i was thinking about doing a series about pedals that started as a rat, but then changed dramatically for 2022. that would include stuff like the DRV and Motel from Pine Box Customs. thanks for your continued support!
Great demo. The ProCo holds its own, in my opinion. But, in my experience, the Rattler sounds a lot better in the low/medium gain settings. The differences are subtle, but if you don’t mind paying 2-3 times more, the Rattler is more versatile than the ProCo. I run my Rattler with the gain low/medium and hit it with a Tube Screamer for high gain, which is glorious. Killer pedal.
Gonna be a great week. Been eye balling RAT style pedals for a while now. Off to a super start. Thanks Ryan. Good stuff. Rattler sets the bar pretty high. Would love to see a round robin to close the week off 😇
Stack two rats and listen.. I use two three version switchable Rat clones, ones set to normal Rat the other on Turbo volume at 9 oclock tone almost off gain on the turbo noon and gain on the normal at around ten o'clock.. Arion SAD-1 Analog Delay set at a slight barely noticeable level to just give the sound some live projection ambiance Then a Boss GE-7 EQ through a Fender Deluxe Reverb with Celestion Vintage 30.. Amp volume at 10 o'clock, treble at 7 o'clock and bass at 9 o'clock reverb around 8- 9 o'clock. EQ is subjective to each personal use and amp. I use most of the left end all the way up as the rats together suck some bass, mid boost in the middle mid high boost around two to three notches. Les Paul Custom Burst buckers and I'm getting every sweet honking sound of the 70's and 80's Marshall comes to mind.
Holy shiiiiit, Andy to open this!?!?! Ok, I’ll comment again after I watch. Edit: Rattler had more bass end and maybe overall output? Either way, they both rule. And so do you!!! Love you man 😘
Lol you said the gorilla warfare amp twice and forgot the kangra it's just nice to see pros screw up sometimes love your videos will be watching all week
You had me at RAT + Bassman. Can't wait for the rest of these! To my ears the OG RAT was more unhinged/chaotic at the higher gains and the Rattler a touch more controlled, and at lower gains the RAT seemed a little bit more midrangey compared to the thicker voice of the Rattler but as you say, both sounded great. I'm going to be particularly interested in the Skinner Box video as that's the one I have and I'm running it with a Fender Bassbreaker 45 Head which has the '59 Bassman circuit in it so not far off the testing rig for these videos.
1:56 That said, the Rattler is based on the 308N and the Iron Horse for example on the 308IC. I'm just saying don't stare yourself blind on the chip! It's not even the same chip technically! The Rat sound is about the architecture! However, different components make for a different variant, but the key is not in the 308 chip. And the builders are not using THE 308 chip, they are using A 308 chip. Not that it matters to me, but technically they are not using the same chip, if you find that so important...
totally. honestly, with all of the rat variations out there, i was looking for a way to narrow down my list, otherwise this series would be a year long. so, i whittled it down to 308x(x).
@@DemosInTheDark you know you're probably the natural successor to Andy when he relinquishes his crown. "And here's my clean tone through a deluxe reverb in the dark."
Idiot box make some fine Rat variants.They still say good fun to me, which means something , these days. The Iron Horse is suprising, but is even more so , when hit in the #ss with a Warhorn.
If you ever get a chance to get your hands on one, I'd bet you'd like the Shin's Music 308DRV pedal. A really fantastic Rat. It does the classic Rat stuff but in a much more "natural," articulate way. You can really hear what's happening on the fretboard without it being overtly tamed. More responsive to dynamics than a typical Rat. I find it very similar to the Mostortion in that way but with a decidedly Rat color/tonal pallet. It also "cleans" up in a really full and interesting way when the gain knob is backed down below 10 o'clock. All that said, you can't go wrong, it's such a fantastic circuit. Half the fun with the older Rats is the differences from one unit to the next. Jam, as per usual, did a great job with the circuit too. It's a dead on LM308 Rat but as you said, with way more headroom and better low end retention. The top end is also "clearer" without being brighter/sharper (if that makes sense) which is really important to me with any dirt box or amp. It's really all anyone would ask for in a modern remake of a classic vintage dirt pedal. Also, idc what builders say about the importance/impact or lack thereof in regards to what OpAmp is used, the LM308 is *the* Rat chip. Alot of times maybe you'll "feel" it a bit more so than you hear it but I've always preferred the 308 over the op07. Cool demo 👌💯⚡ 🍻
@@DemosInTheDark Oh man! You definitely gotta check out Shin's Music stuff! I got turned onto them by Dave Phillips at LA Sound Design. Shin Suzuki is a renowned tech and now pedal builder in Japan. He made his name by having studied and worked on as many or more Dumble amps as anyone besides Alex Howie Dumble himself. He now makes pedals some of his own design and some based on classic circuits. His most popular are his "Dumbloid" overdrive pedals of which there are a few different models (the higher gain "Overdrive Special" being my favorite). He's built custom ordered units for players like Isaiah Sharkey, Ritchie Sambora and Pino Palladino. As different as all his drives and boosts are the common thread that runs through them is they are remarkably dynamic and uncompressed. So much so that when you first play them it "feels" as though they are responding strangely but within an hour of playing them you quickly never want to go back to anything else. All totally handwired with the only downside being that a couple of the Dumbloid circuits are "gooped" a'la a Klon but they're built pretty rock solid. They can be pricey to buy here in America if you don't have any Japanese friends to score one for you there and send it over but I think they are totally worth it. He also makes the best volume pedals on the planet imo.
You haven't jumped the sharp, but I appreciate all Happy Days references, and Andy is definitely the Fonzie of guitar demos. I'm hooking up my Donner Dark Mouse in honor of Rat week.
the Rattler and Rattler+ are the best sounding Rat types i’ve heard, and i’d prefer them to a vintage Rat even for that more authentic Rat tone. that said, i’ve personally fallen in love with the 1981 DRV, which has something special on the very low end of the gain range and an amazing note clarity and distinction even at higher gain settings. what it doesn’t do, however, is that sick fuzzy thing that the Rat does when it’s dimed. i’d love to see you demo a 1981 if you ever get your hands on one!
@@DemosInTheDark haha! nice. yeah, the DRV has definitely been covered. that said, each person has their own ‘sound.’ i’d still love to hear your take on it. that, said, i get it. i’ve enjoyed RAT week! 🤘🏽🤘🏽
Hey there Steve Carell didn't know you played guitar. l Really enjoyed your character Michael Scott as the manager of Dunder Milfin Inc in the office. You look and sound like him in the dark. :)
God, I love the RAT so much. It just sounds like every great alternative/hardcore record I grew up listening to. Great demo. If I didn't already have my dream RAT from Kinnatone, the Rattler would be up there.
The Swiss army knife of distortion/Desert Island pedal..
I'm not gonna lie, this is the coolest effin series for pedals on YT.
dude... you’re dang generous!
I was so confused when Andy started thinking I'd clicked on the wrong vid, lol. Very fun!
HAHA! got ya!
What a fun video. Rat week inspired me to pull out my Rat and my You Dirty Rat and jam on them for a while. Reminded me how much I love this circuit.
did you ever make a rat of your own?
@@DemosInTheDark I’ve made a few with some minimal mods, but these videos are inspiring me to do my own version of one
I just got this pedal and my first impression was that unboxing it makes you feel like a VIP. Everything is really premium. Build quality is insane and the sound is incredible, but I wish it had the filter control. It does seem a little thicker on the lows, but because of this I'm not sure it can fully replace a RAT's unique EQ.
i'm a big fan of their packaging. they do a great job!
I’m irrationally excited about this..
these feelings are perfectly normal.
thanks for playing chords and not shredding!!!!!!!
ALWAYS!
I know man... I’m so tired of CONSTANT BLUES SCALESSSS
Can you tell me if the Rattler got the same pleasant light compression, that make RAT singing on lead parts even at low gain? Thanks!
Rat Year !
JUMP THE SHARK!!! Andy!? Your properly internet famous now lol.
You should get just Nick to do an intro. You guys live in the same city.
And just an hour after watching this, a used Rattler popped up locally for a price I couldn’t resist! Well thanks, I guess...! ;-)
FATE IS REAL! 🙌
jam pedal is a nice sounding rat. it seems to have more low end and more volume, but is the same pedal as the proco.. great sounding distortion... i am just curios about the feeling when playing both, if there is any difference "under your hand" while playing between the two...
I'd give this one to the Rattler, but it's very close. The extra gain is actually usable, and the sound overall is a little clearer and more detailed. Whether you would hear the difference in a band context I doubt.
hey paul! thanks so much for your insight on all of these! really great to hear your perspective!
I am so happy about this
Thank you thank you
The RAT is the heart and soul of my tone and I want to get a modern copy to be on the portable pedal board so this series will be super helpful to me as well as a DELIGHT
oh cool! i hope something sticks out for ya!
I have a Rattler and it never fails to put a smile on my face. The open top and and fuzz character is phenomenal.
rattler is legit!
Rats are the best and I’m so very excited for this.
Hey Ryan, with in the opening and such a week theme you gonna nail it... and your likes and followers gonna grow fast because you are doing a great job. I ll be excited to see every episode. I always wanted a shootout of all those pedals, beside the red one that did not know it.. I m considering for a couple of months now to pull the trigger on the gorilla or iron horse.. the woodcutter is relatively complicated to buy it in Europe. I bought the Rattler and sent it back cause it was cutting too much low end for my taste... but it had a great clipping and feel... I could say Rattler is silky and rat is crispy.. For the moment I have a Rat 2 op07, You dirty Rat, a moded Rat 2 with a bass boost and a mooer black secret.. I love all of them.. sooner or later I ll have to buy 2 or 3 pedals of your reviews..because Rat is my favourite clipping in front of my Hot rod deluxe made in USA... maybe you could include 1981 even I m not sure if they have LM 308 inside.. Keep the nice themes man.. I m getting a big fan of your channel!!
when i was in planning stages, i considered doing something that would include the DRV as i have a number of them in my collection and enjoy the pedal quite a bit. that said, it isn't a LM308 and i thought that was a good trial for the series. if it goes well, i was thinking about doing a series about pedals that started as a rat, but then changed dramatically for 2022. that would include stuff like the DRV and Motel from Pine Box Customs. thanks for your continued support!
@@DemosInTheDark cmats ratified... LM308.. few demos could be a hidden gem
You got Andy?! Loving this series.
Great demo. The ProCo holds its own, in my opinion. But, in my experience, the Rattler sounds a lot better in the low/medium gain settings. The differences are subtle, but if you don’t mind paying 2-3 times more, the Rattler is more versatile than the ProCo. I run my Rattler with the gain low/medium and hit it with a Tube Screamer for high gain, which is glorious. Killer pedal.
A small box Rat like the one he’s playing is 300-500 used.
Gonna be a great week. Been eye balling RAT style pedals for a while now.
Off to a super start. Thanks Ryan. Good stuff. Rattler sets the bar pretty high. Would love to see a round robin to close the week off 😇
you will!!
@@DemosInTheDark whoop whoop 🎉.
Stack two rats and listen.. I use two three version switchable Rat clones, ones set to normal Rat the other on Turbo volume at 9 oclock tone almost off gain on the turbo noon and gain on the normal at around ten o'clock..
Arion SAD-1 Analog Delay set at a slight barely noticeable level to just give the sound some live projection ambiance Then a Boss GE-7 EQ through a Fender Deluxe Reverb with Celestion Vintage 30..
Amp volume at 10 o'clock, treble at 7 o'clock and bass at 9 o'clock reverb around 8- 9 o'clock. EQ is subjective to each personal use and amp.
I use most of the left end all the way up as the rats together suck some bass, mid boost in the middle mid high boost around two to three notches.
Les Paul Custom Burst buckers and I'm getting every sweet honking sound of the 70's and 80's Marshall comes to mind.
😂😂😂😂This is the best.
Holy shiiiiit, Andy to open this!?!?! Ok, I’ll comment again after I watch.
Edit: Rattler had more bass end and maybe overall output? Either way, they both rule. And so do you!!! Love you man 😘
Wow, dude. Andy himself. You're big leaguing us now ;)
haha right?! the master!
Lol you said the gorilla warfare amp twice and forgot the kangra it's just nice to see pros screw up sometimes love your videos will be watching all week
I meant the iron horse
ha! see! easy to do! 😂
Epic intro! Starting 2021 with a big bang!
Cool. What about the Motel by PineBox Customs?
love that pedal, but it’s not LM308.
I had JUST come off a reverb video with Andy and was so confused when he appeared on the next video haha, nice job
you can probably buy two RATs and stack them Blur style for the price of one Rattler
You had me at RAT week.
You had me at RAT + Bassman. Can't wait for the rest of these! To my ears the OG RAT was more unhinged/chaotic at the higher gains and the Rattler a touch more controlled, and at lower gains the RAT seemed a little bit more midrangey compared to the thicker voice of the Rattler but as you say, both sounded great. I'm going to be particularly interested in the Skinner Box video as that's the one I have and I'm running it with a Fender Bassbreaker 45 Head which has the '59 Bassman circuit in it so not far off the testing rig for these videos.
1:56 That said, the Rattler is based on the 308N and the Iron Horse for example on the 308IC. I'm just saying don't stare yourself blind on the chip! It's not even the same chip technically! The Rat sound is about the architecture! However, different components make for a different variant, but the key is not in the 308 chip. And the builders are not using THE 308 chip, they are using A 308 chip. Not that it matters to me, but technically they are not using the same chip, if you find that so important...
totally. honestly, with all of the rat variations out there, i was looking for a way to narrow down my list, otherwise this series would be a year long. so, i whittled it down to 308x(x).
I have the old(rattler) Is it different from the new model?
Nicely done. Thanks Ryan!
thanks craig!
Andy rules.
fact.
@@DemosInTheDark you know you're probably the natural successor to Andy when he relinquishes his crown.
"And here's my clean tone through a deluxe reverb in the dark."
@@pclindholm hahaha. he’ll outlive me.
The rattler sounds richer & louder
Vintage RAT for the win!
Idiot box make some fine Rat variants.They still say good fun to me, which means something , these days.
The Iron Horse is suprising, but is even more so , when hit in the #ss with a Warhorn.
i love idiotbox, but i didn't see any that i was sure were LM308 and the name didn't come up in my polling. but his stuff is killer!
Best pedal review intro ever 😂 Love it! Makes me wish Andy was on Cameo
So many incredible rat inspired pedals out there! It’s kind of a renaissance these days. I have a Tate FX Brexit Means Brexit, and it RIPS!
haven’t had the opportunity to try one!
@@DemosInTheDark now it has been updated to the Sirens Scream.
How loud is the amp?
If you ever get a chance to get your hands on one, I'd bet you'd like the Shin's Music 308DRV pedal. A really fantastic Rat. It does the classic Rat stuff but in a much more "natural," articulate way. You can really hear what's happening on the fretboard without it being overtly tamed. More responsive to dynamics than a typical Rat. I find it very similar to the Mostortion in that way but with a decidedly Rat color/tonal pallet. It also "cleans" up in a really full and interesting way when the gain knob is backed down below 10 o'clock.
All that said, you can't go wrong, it's such a fantastic circuit. Half the fun with the older Rats is the differences from one unit to the next. Jam, as per usual, did a great job with the circuit too. It's a dead on LM308 Rat but as you said, with way more headroom and better low end retention. The top end is also "clearer" without being brighter/sharper (if that makes sense) which is really important to me with any dirt box or amp. It's really all anyone would ask for in a modern remake of a classic vintage dirt pedal.
Also, idc what builders say about the importance/impact or lack thereof in regards to what OpAmp is used, the LM308 is *the* Rat chip. Alot of times maybe you'll "feel" it a bit more so than you hear it but I've always preferred the 308 over the op07.
Cool demo 👌💯⚡
🍻
i've never even heard of it! i'll look into it!
@@DemosInTheDark Oh man! You definitely gotta check out Shin's Music stuff! I got turned onto them by Dave Phillips at LA Sound Design. Shin Suzuki is a renowned tech and now pedal builder in Japan. He made his name by having studied and worked on as many or more Dumble amps as anyone besides Alex Howie Dumble himself. He now makes pedals some of his own design and some based on classic circuits. His most popular are his "Dumbloid" overdrive pedals of which there are a few different models (the higher gain "Overdrive Special" being my favorite). He's built custom ordered units for players like Isaiah Sharkey, Ritchie Sambora and Pino Palladino. As different as all his drives and boosts are the common thread that runs through them is they are remarkably dynamic and uncompressed. So much so that when you first play them it "feels" as though they are responding strangely but within an hour of playing them you quickly never want to go back to anything else. All totally handwired with the only downside being that a couple of the Dumbloid circuits are "gooped" a'la a Klon but they're built pretty rock solid. They can be pricey to buy here in America if you don't have any Japanese friends to score one for you there and send it over but I think they are totally worth it. He also makes the best volume pedals on the planet imo.
Andyyyyyyyy!
is no one going to mention you said Greer Gorilla Warfare twice? how'd that sneak past the edit QC!?
yeah yeah yeah, this was an undertaking. there’s probably more.
@@DemosInTheDark I’m just giving you shit. Both the JAM and Walrus sound great!
You haven't jumped the sharp, but I appreciate all Happy Days references, and Andy is definitely the Fonzie of guitar demos. I'm hooking up my Donner Dark Mouse in honor of Rat week.
You've GOT to get a Black Mass Electronics 1312 at some point. Easily the best.
the Rattler and Rattler+ are the best sounding Rat types i’ve heard, and i’d prefer them to a vintage Rat even for that more authentic Rat tone. that said, i’ve personally fallen in love with the 1981 DRV, which has something special on the very low end of the gain range and an amazing note clarity and distinction even at higher gain settings. what it doesn’t do, however, is that sick fuzzy thing that the Rat does when it’s dimed. i’d love to see you demo a 1981 if you ever get your hands on one!
i have 4 DRV's. hahaha! i've kind of shied away from any demos because it seems like that path has been pretty well beaten at this point.
@@DemosInTheDark haha! nice. yeah, the DRV has definitely been covered. that said, each person has their own ‘sound.’ i’d still love to hear your take on it. that, said, i get it. i’ve enjoyed RAT week! 🤘🏽🤘🏽
Invisible picks in the dark....
HA!
Unreal! This is a beautiful series.
Did you say Gorilla Warfare?
twice... accidentally. 🤷♂️
Andy? Instant like!!!
Legend!
"more low end and tighter low end" is like saying "more and less"
Hey there Steve Carell didn't know you played guitar. l Really enjoyed your character Michael Scott as the manager of Dunder Milfin Inc in the office. You look and sound like him in the dark. :)