UPDATE: There are two screw holes underneath the clicks of the viper v2 pro pcb inside of the zeromouse. Definitely screw the screws of the viper v2 pro (there are 4 screws in total, 2 of them are on the top shell on the clicks) into those holes while putting a bit of pressure onto the pcb. You need to bend the clicks a bit to reach the holes with your screwdriver. It makes the click feel much better and consistent and also the mouse clicks work now when using the mouse wired. Also I noticed a bit of irritation at the edge of the mouse where my pinky finger is because it's a bit sharp. But putting a bit of my own cut griptape onto that edge has resolved that issue completely. Last but not least, using a 100 mah 3.7v battery and sticking it at the back of the mouse helps with the weight balance tremendously. Links on everything you need are in the video description. You have to solder the cables of the battery onto the 3 pin cables yourself though and protect the soldered parts with a heatshrink that you have to heat up carefully with a lighter or a heat gun.
I just kinda hate how Optimum went about this mice, though, because while I TOTALLY understand wanting to make money on this, his excuses to do so felt kinda "gate-keepy" and one of the lines was "I dont think the average printer could bring it to this quality" not the exact quote but along those lines. Thats just kinda a silly excuse, like just say you want to sell this and not walk around eggshells to maybe make yourself look better? I dont know I just disliked his approach but I love him over all and what he does
It wasn't gate keepy at all? He didn't release the print because he spent months working on it, its that simple - he just didn't say so. He's also right about the average printer just not being good enough, the material you use will determine how the mouse feels, not to mention the lack of skates etc.
Great review! You covered everything anyone interested in the drop could want to know very well. I wish Optimum had put some vertical supports on at least the rear grip points to reinforce the mouse from flexing inwards while gripping it, a small extrusion extending the height of the mouse placed perpendicular to the grip would likely provide the support to make the pads super secure while maybe only adding 1 gram. Might also help with those who gamer rage, but as you pointed out they got bigger problems.
I have no idea why some of these ftip mice are wider at the front than in the rear. It's complete opposite of how our fingers work. Every time you grasp your hand, pinky is put more outwards than ring finger. So naturally mice should be wider at the rear than at the front. Same goes with standard mice with hourglass shape. They flare out towards the front which makes pinky sit in a narrow part so we have to force it in. Mayby thats just me but I don't get it, It feels so uncontrollable and uncomfortable at the same time.
Great and detailed! I will DEFINITELY try to get this tomorrow (I also own pretty much every pure fingertip grip mouse). The slanted sides are definitely what makes this much interesting!
Is that obsidian dots on the zerømouse? Thanks brother, hope I will get one in hand@@MorrTex Btw. I chopped up a Viper V2 Pro... I agree, do not do it.
23mins and 45 seconds well spent! Awesome video and breakdown comparing the ftip options ❤🔥 Shame you cannot seem to use it wired. Hoping I can get my hands on one, would be so disappointed if I can't but it is what it is!
I also have the Razer viper mini and I have also sanded the plastic around the sensor, have you also done it because that plastic bit is higher than the actual skates? Also is that the case with all units or only some?
I know nothing about scroll wheels, but how easy would it be for someone to MOD a lower profile scroll wheel? I'm assuming that it's the physical rotation that actuates the wheel and has nothing to do with the outside diameter?
Good question, unfortunately I have no idea about scroll wheel encoders and which ones would be compatible soldering on the v2 pro pcb and if they could be lower height. Maybe there are tutorials regarding scroll wheel encoders, look it up perhaps
I am gonna give both you and optimal each 150 bucks if I don't have to use Razer hardware or software ok? just take the money and get that thing away from me
My guy what the fuck did you expect for something this thin and light? Even if it was made out of solid fucking aluminum it would still flex because it's sacrificing structural integrity for maximum weight trimming.
@@velqt I used a 150mah battery on mine and it's down to 27g. I don't think that's "absurdly overweight' considering it's the largest of the fingertip mice. Sure, you could probably get it to 23-25g with a lighter material/structure overhaul, but saying it's "absurdly" overweight at 27g (smaller battery) is actually the absurd part.
Great deal = 69+shipping + mouse 130 and overall one weird mouse for 200+ euros without any warranty, because you disassembled Razer, for the same price you can buy Vaxee wireless + XM2we.
If you get a used v2 pro for 60-80 euro which I would highly recommend, together with the zeromouse you're at around 140-150 dollars total. A vaxee wireless xe costs 140 dollars as well. But the zeromouse is far better for fingertip grip and has much better internals up to 8khz (if you get a used hyperpolling dongle for 20 bucks) with much lower motion and click latency even on 1khz. This is an enthusiast mouse solely targeted to fingertip grip, but man it's good really
@@MorrTexYea people don't realize this isn't a mouse meant for the average gamer, and it's from the ground up not meant to target that. It's meant for the enthusiasts who love to mod and tweak their own hardware and chase for pure optimization to maximize performance regardless of cost or risk.
@@ShyvorixI’m also assuming Optimum is running this whole operation on his own (outside of printing). This isn’t a large company mass producing thousands of these everyday with their own internals. Of course it’s going to cost more.
@Emil-sh6sq Yea I don't remember if he is producing them himself but it would be infuriatingly slow if using just 1 printer. I believe it is contracted outside but yea the design is very iterative and took a long while to borderline perfect. The price may be slightly steep but he is at the end of the day allowed to charge whatever he feels is worth it. And considering he doesn't take any sponsorships (he should really do a patreon though if he hasn't already) he doesn't exactly make fuck you money from RUclips lol.
@@Shyvorix Pretty sure he decided to outsource the printing since he couldn’t get the desired quality at home. I think he also stated that this is the reason he’s not just releasing the 3D model, which I saw some people complain about, but if I came up with a good design and knew i could make some money selling it I would probably do the same.
UPDATE: There are two screw holes underneath the clicks of the viper v2 pro pcb inside of the zeromouse. Definitely screw the screws of the viper v2 pro (there are 4 screws in total, 2 of them are on the top shell on the clicks) into those holes while putting a bit of pressure onto the pcb. You need to bend the clicks a bit to reach the holes with your screwdriver. It makes the click feel much better and consistent and also the mouse clicks work now when using the mouse wired.
Also I noticed a bit of irritation at the edge of the mouse where my pinky finger is because it's a bit sharp. But putting a bit of my own cut griptape onto that edge has resolved that issue completely.
Last but not least, using a 100 mah 3.7v battery and sticking it at the back of the mouse helps with the weight balance tremendously. Links on everything you need are in the video description. You have to solder the cables of the battery onto the 3 pin cables yourself though and protect the soldered parts with a heatshrink that you have to heat up carefully with a lighter or a heat gun.
analysiert, strukturiert und basiert 🗿
I love my hsk pro, it got me into aim training and now like 7 mousepads. Learned of you from logpile, I'd love to see your take on that mouse!
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Lil bro u gotta stop using the best mouse out and force yourself to use shit gear.
We need more reviews like this brotha
legit
I just kinda hate how Optimum went about this mice, though, because while I TOTALLY understand wanting to make money on this, his excuses to do so felt kinda "gate-keepy" and one of the lines was "I dont think the average printer could bring it to this quality" not the exact quote but along those lines. Thats just kinda a silly excuse, like just say you want to sell this and not walk around eggshells to maybe make yourself look better? I dont know I just disliked his approach but I love him over all and what he does
my EXACT thoughts, is there any info on releases in the future?
It wasn't gate keepy at all? He didn't release the print because he spent months working on it, its that simple - he just didn't say so. He's also right about the average printer just not being good enough, the material you use will determine how the mouse feels, not to mention the lack of skates etc.
Great review! You covered everything anyone interested in the drop could want to know very well.
I wish Optimum had put some vertical supports on at least the rear grip points to reinforce the mouse from flexing inwards while gripping it, a small extrusion extending the height of the mouse placed perpendicular to the grip would likely provide the support to make the pads super secure while maybe only adding 1 gram. Might also help with those who gamer rage, but as you pointed out they got bigger problems.
the world's only user of left-handed true fingertip ergo mice
really good review btw
Give me your htx if you don't want it
It's my emergency mouse if the battery runs out of my zeromouse 😅
crap@@MorrTex
I have no idea why some of these ftip mice are wider at the front than in the rear. It's complete opposite of how our fingers work. Every time you grasp your hand, pinky is put more outwards than ring finger. So naturally mice should be wider at the rear than at the front. Same goes with standard mice with hourglass shape. They flare out towards the front which makes pinky sit in a narrow part so we have to force it in. Mayby thats just me but I don't get it, It feels so uncontrollable and uncomfortable at the same time.
Yes I also do not understand that in terms of hand ergonomics haha
Great and detailed! I will DEFINITELY try to get this tomorrow (I also own pretty much every pure fingertip grip mouse). The slanted sides are definitely what makes this much interesting!
Thank you and good luck!
Is that obsidian dots on the zerømouse? Thanks brother, hope I will get one in hand@@MorrTex Btw. I chopped up a Viper V2 Pro... I agree, do not do it.
@@lnbabz yup obsidians are the best for me since they give a good amount of control, I cant use any other skates no more
Cool man. Just subbed btw. Cool and unique mice are the future.@@MorrTex
preach@@lnbabz
23mins and 45 seconds well spent! Awesome video and breakdown comparing the ftip options ❤🔥 Shame you cannot seem to use it wired. Hoping I can get my hands on one, would be so disappointed if I can't but it is what it is!
Maybe it's an issue with my unit im not sure, good luck getting one!
Looks so unique and different
Looks so unique and different
Video literally starts on reddit
Great review
W customer service on doing a regular left handed for you
Need side buttons.. for fn
🔥 video, really hope i can get one
underrated channel! you deserve more attention! great review bro
Any followup? do you think it was worth the price? how is the inside after constant use?
Still works like a charm. For me as an enthusiast: Yeah I love it, it's still on my desk and I play with it
@@MorrTex that is awesome man! the price just seems to be so mad lol... close to 350 audor so and it can break so easily
@@PrayForGoodPing lol resell price is crazy WTF. Wait for optimum he will release an improved version soon
@@MorrTexdo you know how soon? it's been like 5 months lmao PLEASE!!!
Do the internals cone with the mod kit, what does the mod kit include
Gang gang
isnt that 65 dollars for a 3d print given there are no internals???
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yes yes yes icescream so good
amazing video man thx for the details!
I also have the Razer viper mini and I have also sanded the plastic around the sensor, have you also done it because that plastic bit is higher than the actual skates? Also is that the case with all units or only some?
When you press the mouse a bit harder into xsoft mousepads you can feel the sensor ring rubbing against the pad, that's why
The ergonomic clicks is the most interesting feature for me, its been really interesting hearing your perspective 🫡 Ice cream so good 😂
Thanks brotha
im waiting for mine as we speak :)
Hope you'll enjoy it as much as I do :D
I know nothing about scroll wheels, but how easy would it be for someone to MOD a lower profile scroll wheel? I'm assuming that it's the physical rotation that actuates the wheel and has nothing to do with the outside diameter?
Good question, unfortunately I have no idea about scroll wheel encoders and which ones would be compatible soldering on the v2 pro pcb and if they could be lower height. Maybe there are tutorials regarding scroll wheel encoders, look it up perhaps
can you please let me know which skates you used on your zeromouse?
Xraypad obsidian dots
Does the assembled mouse fit in the box? I’m going to be gifting one
Yeah it should work
no lefty mice :(
bro thank you
great review. i was able to snag one.
Thanks a lot! Have fun with it and perhaps tell me your thoughts about the mouse once you played with it
What is the red mouse called? I didn't quite understand what you said
Can you record some gameplay of you using it?
Sure I will stream overwatch 2 soon with a handcam, follow me on twitch if you feel like it. Link in description
@@MorrTex alright sounds good, do you have an estimate around what time you will stream so I will be ready?
@@roger3681 I'll try to get some games in on sunday afternoon berlin time
when i push force to dig into the mousepad look like the sensor stop working TT (only cloth pad , the glass pad works fine)
is this normal?
Try higher LOD in razer synapse or a pad that isnt too soft
I am gonna give both you and optimal each 150 bucks if I don't have to use Razer hardware or software ok? just take the money and get that thing away from me
You can use a different pc like your laptop to adjust your settings and then never worry about it again 🙏
How is nobody talking about the HORRENDOUS flex
It's not apparent in normal use but yeah maybe a tad bit more stable design for 1-2g more weight could've been an option
@@MorrTex The mouse is already absurdly overweight for the amount of material used
My guy what the fuck did you expect for something this thin and light? Even if it was made out of solid fucking aluminum it would still flex because it's sacrificing structural integrity for maximum weight trimming.
@@velqt I used a 150mah battery on mine and it's down to 27g. I don't think that's "absurdly overweight' considering it's the largest of the fingertip mice. Sure, you could probably get it to 23-25g with a lighter material/structure overhaul, but saying it's "absurdly" overweight at 27g (smaller battery) is actually the absurd part.
@@xblur17 I mean, it might be the largest of the ftip mice but it's also an exomouse and by definition has no shell or lattice
Do you know when these will ship out? Got a order in but still no update on whether it was shipped or not.
according to his discord it takes a while cause only he and his wife are shipping them, it will come for sure
@@MorrTex I've been looking for the discord all over, is it only in the box the mod kit comes in?
bruh but why
Great deal = 69+shipping + mouse 130 and overall one weird mouse for 200+ euros without any warranty, because you disassembled Razer, for the same price you can buy Vaxee wireless + XM2we.
If you get a used v2 pro for 60-80 euro which I would highly recommend, together with the zeromouse you're at around 140-150 dollars total. A vaxee wireless xe costs 140 dollars as well. But the zeromouse is far better for fingertip grip and has much better internals up to 8khz (if you get a used hyperpolling dongle for 20 bucks) with much lower motion and click latency even on 1khz. This is an enthusiast mouse solely targeted to fingertip grip, but man it's good really
@@MorrTexYea people don't realize this isn't a mouse meant for the average gamer, and it's from the ground up not meant to target that. It's meant for the enthusiasts who love to mod and tweak their own hardware and chase for pure optimization to maximize performance regardless of cost or risk.
@@ShyvorixI’m also assuming Optimum is running this whole operation on his own (outside of printing). This isn’t a large company mass producing thousands of these everyday with their own internals. Of course it’s going to cost more.
@Emil-sh6sq Yea I don't remember if he is producing them himself but it would be infuriatingly slow if using just 1 printer. I believe it is contracted outside but yea the design is very iterative and took a long while to borderline perfect.
The price may be slightly steep but he is at the end of the day allowed to charge whatever he feels is worth it. And considering he doesn't take any sponsorships (he should really do a patreon though if he hasn't already) he doesn't exactly make fuck you money from RUclips lol.
@@Shyvorix Pretty sure he decided to outsource the printing since he couldn’t get the desired quality at home. I think he also stated that this is the reason he’s not just releasing the 3D model, which I saw some people complain about, but if I came up with a good design and knew i could make some money selling it I would probably do the same.
It looks really unique, but idk why you’d get this over a HSK pro.
I explained this in my mouse comparison part
@@MorrTex fair enough
Because it's better. What other reason do you need?