You & Your Legion Terminator - A Guide to Specific Elite Legion Terminators
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worth noting that the HH faq 1.1, the death guard may replace anyone that comes with a powerfist can now also take a power scythe.
+(Death Guard Legion Specific Wargear (Page 70)
Under the heading Power Scythes, replace the first sentence with the following:
Any character or Independent Character with the Legiones Astartes (Death Guard) special rule which is equipped with a power fist may exchange
it for a power scythe for no additional cost.)
the Tyrant terminators can now also fire the combi bolters as well as launchers in the faq.
+(Tyrant Siege Terminator Squad (Page 20)
Under the heading Wargear, add the following:
Note that models may fire their combi-bolters in addition to their cyclone missile launchers in the Shooting phase.)
I always over invest in my red butchers, 10 man squad with gahlan and Angron in a spartan. Horrifyingly expensive but absolutely hilarious the moment they charge.
Isn't that a bit overkill tho?
As I say, it’s hilarious but yes it probably is
I put 8, Angron and gahlan in a disc and use the +1 FnP RoW. Yeah Shoot at me all you like, I’m walking it off
I just run em with my praetor in a spartan, Surlak goes elsewhere with my Inductii. Red butchers exterminate pretty much anything they touch on the charge after all
Still kinda bummed imperial fists don't technically have special termies. Granted they get regular termies with shields as a special thibg
Huscarls tho
@@bennetttan8535 Do they have rules?
@@pykamirulol nah found them in the lore they are specialized IF terminator bodyguard of rogal dorn in 30k, now they are merely bodyguard for VIPs like Heyd Calder. Just wait for forgeworld to release them probably in true scale like the DA and BA ones
@@bennetttan8535 huscarls have rules now because of FWs exemplary battles
Also assault cannons
Great video! Although I believe only the Red Butcher's Sergeant can take Chainfists.
Could we get a video dedicated to the common / uncommon ways to run Veterans?
On the firedrakes: I’ve found that using fists instead of hammers on anyone but the sarge (and possibly consul depending on what you get. Remember that for salamanders the sarges and consuls get master crafted which makes the hammer ridiculously good) makes them substantially more affordable, and with a decent transport they make for a fantastic bodyguard, or, if instead you put them with the right consul, deathstar. (And even without the consul they are a nice distraction carnifex.)
Thing is you really don’t need the hammers. Yes it’s true that fists hit later, but they are so bloody resilient that unless you seriously miscalculated they will take it and dish it right back, plus anything that NEEDS to be hammered can be handled by the sarge due to master crafted.
Even then I do agree with this list, tho I might have put tyrants and ultrasmurfs on the second line with the firedrakes, just because the thousand sons are THAT broken (I love them but seriously...) but the line was full anyway so I guess it makes sense to push them forth so gulliman won’t cry too much.
This could be a fun hour long video with the new units being released.
This is still by far the best way to do a tier list.
I currently have a squad of Firedrakes as my Coils stolen unit. I've considered doing Tyrants before, but I hadn't looked at the Sehkmet before. I shall have to do that now!
Interesting video!
How I would try to fix some of them:
Phoenix - reduce pts; modify phoenix spear profile as follows: Shred; Give them Counter Attack and Chosen Warriors special rules.
Justarin - reduce pts; maybe give them a WS6 and give them max unit size to 15 instead of 12.
Varagyr - reduce pts; definitely need Tartaros armour
Lernaeans - allow the choice between tartaros/ cataphracti loadouts; for Tartaros loadout use volkite charger as base, allow to replace with combi weapons, Multimeltas (special), Heavy Flamers (special) and Plasma Blasters (special); for a Cataphracti loadout volkite calivers as base, plasma cannon (special), volkite culverin (special), conversion beamer (special). Modify conversion beamer profile AP values to 4 and 2 for "up to 18" and "18-42" inches respectively; All loadouts should have power daggers for every model included as base; This can represent their adaptation for different roles AND allow to kit them out differently as an excuse for an AL player like myself to take more of them for my lists :P
Crimson paladins - reduce pts; allow shields to grant extra protection against missiles; make tartaros
Ebon Keshig - I think the joining units part should be modified on at least one WS character or allow you to give that rule to a praetor.
Fulmentarus - reduce pts.
Sekhmet - increase pts; remove telekenesis (or whatever that makes them broken when it comes to being cataphracti and not suffering any penalties)
Normally I don’t go for chaos but if I played 30k I would seriously be tempted to go with Alpha Legion, I really like their color scheme and units, and I like their play style as a shenanigans/tricks heavy army.
Look forward to every upload. good work man
I’m new and I thoroughly enjoy your channel. Thanks so much
Yeah, Alpha Legion coils termiers doesn't get their parent legion bonus, but with Alpharius on the field they'll have Preferred Enemy. :D
Top videos, i just been getting into 30k more, Vids are very helpful. Thank you
Man i am enjoying all of this terminator love!
Nullifactors will come this week too, if everything goes as planned.
@@TheOuterCircle btw Adam Fox sent me.
Spekd! Nice to see you here in 30th millennia! Love the in depth info on HH units& legion info! Maccas awesome with this stuff.
@@adamfox1669 legendary!
I wonder if any of these models will make their way into the new plastic lineup.
Really enjoy these types of videos hope to see more like this in the future
Red Butchers don't hit everything on 3+ (they use their WS to hit stuff unfortunately)..
Wheres the 8 min intro about u making videos how u want etc
Concerning th red bucthers don't forget they get hatred(all) + reroll charge distance which makes them even scarier to get long charge et destroy uits in CC. Their main target is elite 2+ units without S8 in order to fully use their 2W.
Concernning the movement for all cataphratii running them withtout any way of transport is just silly, spartan, land raider, dreadclaw seems to me mandatory to get close and be in CC T3/4.
Clément L don't forget too that the blood madness rule gives you rage, and incarnate violence allows you to reroll 1s to wound. So, at base, on the charge, 5 red butchers is 26 attacks, rerolling to hit, rerolling 1s to wound, at S5, WS5 AP2 😁
@@bradintazz do they actually hit everything on a 3+? I cant find the rule that says they do that
@@alexgregory365 butchers are WS5 so they're hitting mostly everything on 3's, it's the opponent who gets to hit them back on 3's too though
Lovely analysis, although I might add something about Gorgon terminators. Are lightning claws really worth it. That initiative 3 hampers those things down vs anything with I4 and beyond. Naturally that same thing makes weapons that hit at I1 extra worth it, because nothing of absolute value is lost.
Can they take power fists?
@@fhmcateer Yes, it costs 5 points, just like single lightning claw would while chainfist costs 10.
@@Suomismg nice, shame they're not modelled with them
@@fhmcateer A simple swap using those plastic powerfists found on tartaros terminators should do the trick.
@@Suomismg or maybe even just normal 40k powerfists, given they look a lot like the indomitus pattern
Zone mortalis grave wardens are op for alpha legion in zone mortalis. They get access to mutible tactics which means infiltrate. + they become an elites choice and all you have to do is take 3 breacher squads and lets face it, it's zm you were gonna take 3 breachers
Hang on, don't Cataphractii armoured terminators ignore difficult terrain due to Slow and Purposeful?
Crimson Pals come with power weapons stock, maybe just go with axes instead of the swords.
Gday mate, could you cover more about a song of ice and fire miniatures game please? Also great videos man either way keep up the good stuff.
Seconded, I started playing that game because of Macca.
Great vid!
What do you think about Huscarls and Atramentar?
Only the Sgt in the Red Butchers unit can take double chain fists.
I just played in a tournament with three (1 Tartaros + 2 Cataprachtii) Sekhmet squads (2x Biomancy + 1x Telekinesis) and i placed 4th *last. Sekhmet are not really that strong.* If you have bad luck in rolling psychic powers, you will have just normal 2 wound terminators that are very expensive. Also with +3 invul it does not really make them much better than other terminators with just storm shields, especially Tartaros + Storm Shield. The Guard of the Crimson King rite of war is very limiting (i ran with it). Not to mention that deep striking is almost always a huge risk and if you get -1 to your reserves you might be coming only by turn 4 and doing something maybe by turn 5.
Even if you get iron arm + endurance or warp speed + endurance for your Sekhmet you can cast it only on a single squad and the enemy can simply ignore them with faster unit. Otherwise Sekhmet are very poor in close combat and can get tarpitted easily. The 3++ invul is nothing special really compared to a Tartaros with a Storm Shield. Also you did not mention how limited and costly the Guard of the Crimson King rite of war is for the bonuses it provides. You wont be very mobile with that rite of war and lacking vehicles. BTW Space Wolf Varagyrs can get the Frost Claw + Power Fist combo for extra attack and tactical flexibility. Also Fulmentaris can get power fists instead.
I know they aren't legion specific but imperial fists termies with storm shield and T5, where will you place them? I would say 2nd.
Tartaros I’d say 2, (until they errata the shit out of them), cataphractii filling that nice hole on line 3 (again, until they fix the fact that the shield somehow fits much better with tartaros.)
This just came out a minute ago, no likes or dislikes, no views on my screen so I can officially say without any doubt in my primarch's methods that I am first. Nice
Excellent video, thank you! Does anyone have a list of which terminators get Implacable Advance and which ones don’t?
Epic. Love this video
The Ebon Keshig is not Jaghatais Bodyguard (those are simply known as The Keshig, which is the unit "Qin Xa" can make). The Ebon Keshig are blad clad, warriors who needs to redeem themselves and regain their honour. No Character (unless he also lost his honour) can then join them. It is vierd that you cant get "the Kherash" rule, when you play their second rite of war. Cant remember its name :/
Great vid....... Missed Black legion (bringers of despair)
Macca did mention the Justaerin Terminators from the Sons of Horus. The Justaerin Terminator are what the Bringers of Despair were called during the Horus Heresy
You are correct! I think it was more about 30k!
Best use for Crimson Paladins is as a proxy for Bladeguard Veterans in 40k.
With coils of the hydra I'd take a 5-man squad of Fulmentarus. Cyclone missiles hitting on 2s with preferred enemy everything is really good. Maybe tyrants. Something hard hitting shooty since Alpha Legion is not melee oriented at all, even though power daggers are fun
Wouldn't it be more effective for points with Tyrant seige terminators with a master of signals?
@@lochurquhart1499 I haven't done the exact math, but you might be right.
@@dodo98989 I'm just thinking with the power fists Included plus you get an extra model, it depends how many HQ slots you're already using.
@@lochurquhart1499 Not an alpha legion player, but I'd say 3 with alpharius, dynat and a saboteur
@@dodo98989 saboteur seems like a free VP to an enemy in my opinion I think a master of signals would get more hits out there for a dedicated anti tank unit. Plus I wouldn't deploy a primarch unless it was a much bigger game
Fullementaris. Siegeterminstors in Blue
Cries in Raven Guard. I’m not so deep in the lore to the point where I know if we have our own terminators but I would love some.
They didn't really use them, they pop up once in the fluff and that's in an assault on a void station.
Oh, that’s a shame but it fits with how they work. Thanks for responding.
@@aidanmilesam they are MIA primarily because Corax went out his never to send them in to battle unless he had to. All of Cataphractii suits we're gifts from Horus before Corax was found. Corax hated Horus from the first time they met. I think saw them as an intrusion on his influence over his legionaries.
Dumb fluff question. In thinking of each of the Legions having their own tactical prowess/specialty, why do almost all of them have unique Terminators?
Terminators make up some if not all of the first company of the space marine chapters being veteran warriors or well decorated marines. As terminator armour is much more difficult to manuver in and only a skilled space marine will be able to pilot one of these suits of armour. Plus the first company is usually present where the fighting is the thickest or are tasked with a task of high strategic importance so will need the highest protection possible. Each chapters unique terminators usually represent the absolute elite of the chapter normally being the direct body guard of their primarch or lead into battle by the captain of the first company. Each unique terminator unit will be armed with specific war gear that will fit their role with in the legion which will change depending on legion. Hope this helps and happy wargaming.
Should Gal Vorbak count as the WB unique terminators?
Fernando Rivera no
Deathwing?
Was there a deathwing, named so at time of heresy?
Was name & colors post 30k?
Great to see a salt reduced vid,
Yeah the Deathwing were one of 6 'Wings' that formed the dark angels. Pretty sure their bone armour comes after the Heresy
Yep, they were around since the beginning of the Great Crusade. If I recall they were the progenitors for the Luna Wolves specialty, you know the whole aiming for high priority targets like commanders and the like. And other "Wings" were the pioneers of various Legionary Tactics, for example Iron Hands and Iron Warriors were based around the Iron Wing's specialty. and I think the old Terminator armor was black mainly.
They do exist but I'm pretty sure dark angel legion terminators were actually Dreadwing Terminators
SUGGESTION for this series that I think could be weirdly compelling: Use an example of "WAACfaggotry" as a means to highlight and do a deep dive into the concept of integrating multiple systems together to produce army synergy. Not in a way that promotes the bad behavior of WAACin' it but more as an ironic lens into just how deep things can go combining this unit with that rite and that consul and blah, blah, blah, etc in a "case study"/anaecdotal kind of format so you don't wade too far into that realm and lose your mind and soul in the process. Plus, I love the it when you drop salt on the "winning first-passion last" mindset.
Justaerin do have furious charge and stubborn and are each essentially chosen for the sake of challenges.
Problem is that any disordered charge will ruin the Furious Charge, and it's easy to do, the Cataphractii armour makes them slow, and they pay a BIG points premium for what they do, in a world where Sekhment and Deathshroud exist. It's a shame because I really do like them.
The Outer Circle oh for sure, playing stone gauntlet armies suck and we have two of them in our community here. Defensive grenades blow.
The SoH do need a unique combat weapon like Tybalt Marrs cthonian culling blade yo really make use of their close quarters prowess. Justaerin with +1 initiative and murderess strike and rending in challenges would be awesome.
It's brutal how good some legion chaps are compared to others. You also don't get merciless fighters very often, if ever, thanks to power fists and axes fighting last, and the lack of overwatch negates that BS5 twin-linked shooting they are capable of sub-12".
It's like a unit tailor made to get zero of the Sons of Horus legion buffs, unless you take orbital assault and then they'll at least get +1 on reserves.
@@TheOuterCircle How effective do you think twin LC tartaros terminators would be in a SoH list?
The SoH can buff them up to 5 attacks per terminator under the right conditions, and can gain Fleet & Crusader if under the Long March RoW.
Is weight of attacks and crusader enough to make up for lack of AP2?
What happened to crimson fist?
As someone watching this with s fucking pounding hangover, it makes me so glad youre not one of those RUclipsrs who feel the need to yell fucking everything
Lol. Space wolves have frost special snowflake weapons 😁
Are Ravenguard terminators going to be a thing?
In the lore they have two types of specialists but I doubt we'll see them on the table unfortunately
Bookmark the units timestamp on the video please
Timemarks would be great. I dont care about all the others. I just want to hear something about the Smurfs
10 justaerin in a kharibdys is always my go-to for my Sons of Horus
Miffed as to why black templars dont have any legion specific terminators why gw why?!
Because they aren't a legion?
@@TheOuterCircle not a legion? , what are they then?, dont follow
Surely one off the biggest chapters would have there own specific terms?
@@majorchronic81 they're a chapter, a chapter is essentially a single larger unit within the legion, a Legion being 75,000+ marines is considerably bigger than even the Black Templars, who didn't exist yet in this time. Now, the units which would become the Black Templars do exist, and they are the Imperial Fists Templar Brethren, and they do have kits.
@@TheOuterCircle i see so possibly could use those
Atramentar on the LEFT!!?!???
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The Annointed.
ayo us fists may not have terminators but we have 1 better. Templar Bretheren!
You underestimate my sons
I'm not sure I agree with the Crimson Paladins.. They have power weapons and only a max of 2 guys can *upgrade* to power fists for 20 points each!! they're overpriced and they only get their bonuses in combat... they're literally worse than normal terminators.. 1 wound each except for the serg, otherwise same stats as the normal 'nators... they don't have guns unless you upgrade to give a single guy a ranged weapon which is worthless.. there is no redemption for the fact they literally have nothing to make them good, not to mention the lore... they technically shouldn't be seen on the field as they're just meant to guard blood angel hallways and fancy stuff, not people, they never see war. They were Anuj's "sorry I'm refusing to give you Sanguinary Guard or Azkaellon" and his middle finger to BA players at the same time.
The ability to lower the strength of incoming attacks is huge, and when paired with FnP it is amazing. Combine that with the literally insane Blood Angels Legion Traits and they are very very choppy. That was my main line of thinking with their ranking.
Hahaha another Tier list
Ultra marines make me sick as a legion. Boring, to generic.
Its bullshit the Imperial Fists don't have a special Terminator unit.