If the DD gun you were laughing at at the beginning is actually just a slightly worse Tashkent gun, then that would make it the best obtainable DD gun in the game.
Additional/Summary gear comments: DD gun: better for PvP than Tashkent gun for backline, 15 AA is roughly 0.5-1.0% reduction in plane damage to the ship, 1.0-2.0% additional damage to planes, and +5 range for hitting the Vanguard. Not as good as Tashkent gun for frontline, but the AA does provide the average destroyer way more aviation resistance. UR CL gun: straight upgrade to Triple 152mm (common BB secondary in PvP), use this over the Kai for the range on a BB, +20 FP is nice, upgrade from Triple 152mm on vanguard CL on medium and heavy armor. Overall if you are min-maxing you need 3+ of these due to where they slot in. CB gun: spread is getting too large to be 100% effective Dive bomber: only use against light armor, you will still probably use Tenrai or 12A anyway Torp bomber: Wyvern>Bréguet>Barracuda>these, (Skypirates cost too much and timing matters) AA gun: trash
As for suicide boat protection for the back line generally you need a minimum of 60 range, which is why most CL guns are very effective. Anything less than 60 range and your chances drop to like 50%
I wish there was a good way to get previous season gear but current season ship blueprints. I'd love to get more of the previous UR weapons, but there is no real way to do so.
@@sscam2001 how can you recycle what you don't have? To get pr1-2 you need to do them. And he wants to do pr4-5 and get gear from old prs. Me, personally, want to get pr5 ship prints and 457 prints at the same time. But it's imposible, since i won't be able to recycle any pr5 prints for a long time(and cuz i already bought all 457 prints from shop). As almost year old player i have only 2,8 ur weapons from pr, and 1 dev30 dr. Which is ridiculous. Newer players gonna be overwhelmed by amount of grind you need to do.
PR is by far the hardest thing to catch up on in this game. I started playing almost 3 years ago and only just now at the start of PR5 did I feel reasonably caught up on the previous PR season by the time the new one dropped. The research queue should help though.
@@rburk854 this is actually big question. Having queue is good. But it sucks out coins so fast. When i farmed 12-4 it was stable at least. But with pr5 release i went with 11-1 for exp and coins started to drop really fast. So i'm thinking about going back to 12-4 farm, since i realised long ago having dev 10 pr means nothing and even if i got them really fast it won't help me at all. Nearly all of them need at least dev 25 to even function properly. So it will help older players, but new one? I doubt it.
@@lanf526 I finished pr4 three months after it was released, and waited for another month until I get a single copy of tenrai. You could use the remaining time for another ur gear or research pr3 or pr2 for scrapping or for catching up.
Honestly relieved if the new gear isn't super hot. The randomness involved in collecting research exclusive blueprints makes getting those upgrades a tremendous pain. 3:56 This statement, while presently true, continues to be amusing as I recall the AP TbtsK formerly being the light cruiser's workhorse, in a meta where light cruisers were considered to be more generally relevant. This game has changed in some weird ways.
The UR CL Gun Damage 25 × 4 Rate of fire 3.10s per volley Spread 18° random aim Angle 115° Coefficient 110% → 130% Ammo Type AP+ (110 / 90 / 70) Its 1 volley by 4 shells Now if we compare it to the German AP Damage 22 × 6 Rate of fire 4.72s per volley Spread 10° random aim Angle 130° Coefficient110% → 130% Ammo Type APC28 (100 / 95 / 55) Its 3 volleys by 2 shells And also to the Russian HE (we can also use Seattle's gun ,but I like this one more). Damage 16 × 6 Rate of Fire 3.56s per volley Spread 18° random aim Angle 110° Coefficient 105% → 124% Ammo Type HE (145 / 105 / 70) 2 volleys by 3 shells It doesnt comapre well. The biggest problem it has its AP and HE CL guns have better armor pen values. Also Plymoth has a bonus 10% vs light and medium armor. I just don see why would you use her gun on her. In fact , that gun has the same problem as the German and Neptune gun , its only good on Neptune and Shefiled because of the armor modifers.
weird how every1 band wagon into dislike the new rainbow cl gun. imo i though its actually pretty good especially with plymout. a simple math comparison with the seatle gun show that its dmg is comparable to seatle gun with the benifit of wave clear. basically its teh BIS CL gun atm. simple math: (shell dmg x # of shell)x(armor dmg coefficeint)/ (rate of fire) all the other number in teh formula will remian the same for both weapon anyway. base dmg for both gun: against light armor, seatle gun do about 39.9 per sec while this gun do 35.4 per sec against medium armor: seatle gun 30.3 this gun 29.03 against heavy armor: seatle gun 20.6 this gun 22.5 Seatle Gun give 30 FP while plymout Gun give 65. consider that light cruiser FP is in the 140-170 range, that extra 35FP is like a 20% boost to gun dmg. after taking that xtra 35FP into consideration, the plymout gun will do better dmg then seatle gun across all 3 armor type and since it AP it penetrate as well for solid wave clear. if u also take teh valley time into consideration aswell, then seatle gun dmg drop even slightly lower too by a point to 2. as for plymout herself consider she is the only CL with triple main gun mount, and 400 Torp, Shes a solid DPSer and wave clear beast and her boost to Flagship BB is a major help. the only thing that is in favor of seatle gun is that it much much much cheaper to +13 seatle gun then +13 plymout gun but then again not many of us will +13 a CL gun unless they do crazy gun dmg. well have to wait and see but atleast for me, ill definitely +13 rainbow mag torp for her and maybe also get double raibow torp axul for her too. unless we get a raibow he cl gun, imo i dont think there any other cl gun that can out dmg this gun.
With the CL gun you can use on CB that has CL secondary guns like Kronshtadt or CA with CL secondary or DDs with CL main like Z23 so it's actually really good on anything that isn't a CL unless it's head nod with the AP skill.
He got the bombers mixed up, the twin engine aircraft is the torpedo bomber, and the single engine aircraft is the "dive" bomber. In quotes because it's supposed to drop skip bombs.
i would just like to note, and this wasn't really covered in the video, that despite the worse armour coefficients, the quad 152 actually does higher dps to both medium and heavy armour, and only slightly less to light. this is because of the quad 152's better overall coefficient and much higher raw dpm than the seattle gun. the plymouth gun also has the benefit of a faster reload than the seattle gun, to the tune of a bit over .6 seconds, useful for helping proc barrages.
I would say that neither of PR5 gear being OP but adding a variety is good thing. Also Yostar put themselves into quite the spot with Brest gun not getting UR rarity considering number of guns and their caliber. My guess is that first UR CB gun will be either from Alaska or we'll get BB caliber CB gun (Siegfried) or who knows maybe both.
I'm literally finishing my PR4 and my 2nd Tenrai and i was like some weeks ago: "i'm f*cked, omg new season, but i didn't finish pr4 yet" and after seeing this video i'll go to PR2 finish Azuma and FDG before going to PR5 I really liked all the PR ships from this season excep the DR ones and with the gear being mediocre i almost don't care anymore
11:56 you might want to re-check the wiki there on this one. The 100lb Skip is different to the 100lb bombs and they are MUCH better. This new dive bomber does more damage then the base Helldiver on light and medium mobs and equal on heavy, vs the gold helldiver it's better vs light and medium but worse vs heavy. It's hands down the best dive bomber for light armour, 2nd best for medium and 4th best for heavy. Overall it's the new best dive bomber after the Tenrai.
AA gun should be buffed or removed to allow more access to the other blueprints in the season. Right now it's worse at everything than every AA gun (except the French one) from each season until now, even the Hazemeyer.
I’m a bit surprised they didn’t incorporate anything to do with AP in plymouth’s skills like they did with Neptune since in wows, she doesn’t have the option to use HE.
This new PR5 gear sucks. Only the UR CL gun is worth getting and maybe the worse tash gun. Im gonna get my CL gun first and proceed to get my third 457.
Seem right, kimo and many people don't know that plymouth is the first vanguard to have 3 main gun volley. with this new UR gun. she should atleast have CB lv damage. not your typical CL
A thing to keep in mind is that the 20 extra firepower increases to most light cruisers, will increase the damage output of both gun damage AND barrage damage by 10 to 20%. The glaring issue is it has AP rounds and that can be a huge issue against light armor invalidating the damage boost on light armor.
@@laptophead6326 Pardon me if I'm wrong. But isn't AP ammo is the best for fighting light armored enemies for low calliber guns (like CL and DD guns)? AFAIK, low calliber gun armor modifier works different than high calliber gun. Like the new UR gun for example. It has 110/90/70 modifier. The 110 one is for light armored enemies right?
@@justawanderingoldman7699 AP rounds do higher damage on heavy armor. And for CL and DD gun HE Is better as it has much higher scaling on both light and medium armor, and specifically for CL guns the scaling on heavy is actually HIGHER on heavy armor. the new gun is AP+ but still it's scaling is 110/90/70 compared to HE that has 140/105/70 and that's not even comparing it to HE+ that has 140/110/75 scaling. Point is... AP amo is bad compared to HE at least on CL guns
If the DD gun you were laughing at at the beginning is actually just a slightly worse Tashkent gun, then that would make it the best obtainable DD gun in the game.
well, we still have that farmable baguette gun which should be better for medium and heavy.
baguette gun is better for heavy and medium so no
@@austriandevil3941 the new DD gun have slightly better DPS than the baguette gun for medium armour
Additional/Summary gear comments:
DD gun: better for PvP than Tashkent gun for backline, 15 AA is roughly 0.5-1.0% reduction in plane damage to the ship, 1.0-2.0% additional damage to planes, and +5 range for hitting the Vanguard. Not as good as Tashkent gun for frontline, but the AA does provide the average destroyer way more aviation resistance.
UR CL gun: straight upgrade to Triple 152mm (common BB secondary in PvP), use this over the Kai for the range on a BB, +20 FP is nice, upgrade from Triple 152mm on vanguard CL on medium and heavy armor. Overall if you are min-maxing you need 3+ of these due to where they slot in.
CB gun: spread is getting too large to be 100% effective
Dive bomber: only use against light armor, you will still probably use Tenrai or 12A anyway
Torp bomber: Wyvern>Bréguet>Barracuda>these, (Skypirates cost too much and timing matters)
AA gun: trash
As for suicide boat protection for the back line generally you need a minimum of 60 range, which is why most CL guns are very effective. Anything less than 60 range and your chances drop to like 50%
I wish there was a good way to get previous season gear but current season ship blueprints. I'd love to get more of the previous UR weapons, but there is no real way to do so.
You need to recycle your P1 and P2 blueprints in the shop
@@sscam2001 how can you recycle what you don't have? To get pr1-2 you need to do them. And he wants to do pr4-5 and get gear from old prs.
Me, personally, want to get pr5 ship prints and 457 prints at the same time. But it's imposible, since i won't be able to recycle any pr5 prints for a long time(and cuz i already bought all 457 prints from shop). As almost year old player i have only 2,8 ur weapons from pr, and 1 dev30 dr. Which is ridiculous. Newer players gonna be overwhelmed by amount of grind you need to do.
PR is by far the hardest thing to catch up on in this game. I started playing almost 3 years ago and only just now at the start of PR5 did I feel reasonably caught up on the previous PR season by the time the new one dropped. The research queue should help though.
@@rburk854 this is actually big question. Having queue is good. But it sucks out coins so fast. When i farmed 12-4 it was stable at least. But with pr5 release i went with 11-1 for exp and coins started to drop really fast. So i'm thinking about going back to 12-4 farm, since i realised long ago having dev 10 pr means nothing and even if i got them really fast it won't help me at all. Nearly all of them need at least dev 25 to even function properly.
So it will help older players, but new one? I doubt it.
@@lanf526 I finished pr4 three months after it was released, and waited for another month until I get a single copy of tenrai. You could use the remaining time for another ur gear or research pr3 or pr2 for scrapping or for catching up.
Honestly relieved if the new gear isn't super hot. The randomness involved in collecting research exclusive blueprints makes getting those upgrades a tremendous pain.
3:56 This statement, while presently true, continues to be amusing as I recall the AP TbtsK formerly being the light cruiser's workhorse, in a meta where light cruisers were considered to be more generally relevant. This game has changed in some weird ways.
The UR CL Gun
Damage 25 × 4
Rate of fire 3.10s per volley
Spread 18° random aim
Angle 115°
Coefficient 110% → 130%
Ammo Type AP+ (110 / 90 / 70)
Its 1 volley by 4 shells
Now if we compare it to the German AP
Damage 22 × 6
Rate of fire 4.72s per volley
Spread 10° random aim
Angle 130°
Coefficient110% → 130%
Ammo Type APC28 (100 / 95 / 55)
Its 3 volleys by 2 shells
And also to the Russian HE (we can also use Seattle's gun ,but I like this one more).
Damage 16 × 6
Rate of Fire 3.56s per volley
Spread 18° random aim
Angle 110°
Coefficient 105% → 124%
Ammo Type HE (145 / 105 / 70)
2 volleys by 3 shells
It doesnt comapre well. The biggest problem it has its AP and HE CL guns have better armor pen values. Also Plymoth has a bonus 10% vs light and medium armor. I just don see why would you use her gun on her. In fact , that gun has the same problem as the German and Neptune gun , its only good on Neptune and Shefiled because of the armor modifers.
weird how every1 band wagon into dislike the new rainbow cl gun. imo i though its actually pretty good especially with plymout. a simple math comparison with the seatle gun show that its dmg is comparable to seatle gun with the benifit of wave clear. basically its teh BIS CL gun atm.
simple math: (shell dmg x # of shell)x(armor dmg coefficeint)/ (rate of fire) all the other number in teh formula will remian the same for both weapon anyway.
base dmg for both gun:
against light armor, seatle gun do about 39.9 per sec while this gun do 35.4 per sec
against medium armor: seatle gun 30.3 this gun 29.03
against heavy armor: seatle gun 20.6 this gun 22.5
Seatle Gun give 30 FP while plymout Gun give 65. consider that light cruiser FP is in the 140-170 range, that extra 35FP is like a 20% boost to gun dmg. after taking that xtra 35FP into consideration, the plymout gun will do better dmg then seatle gun across all 3 armor type and since it AP it penetrate as well for solid wave clear. if u also take teh valley time into consideration aswell, then seatle gun dmg drop even slightly lower too by a point to 2. as for plymout herself consider she is the only CL with triple main gun mount, and 400 Torp, Shes a solid DPSer and wave clear beast and her boost to Flagship BB is a major help.
the only thing that is in favor of seatle gun is that it much much much cheaper to +13 seatle gun then +13 plymout gun but then again not many of us will +13 a CL gun unless they do crazy gun dmg. well have to wait and see but atleast for me, ill definitely +13 rainbow mag torp for her and maybe also get double raibow torp axul for her too.
unless we get a raibow he cl gun, imo i dont think there any other cl gun that can out dmg this gun.
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1:48 Prototype Twin 130mm Model 1936 Main Gun Mount (DD gun)
3:52 Prototype Quadruple 152mm Main Gun Mount (UR CL gun)
9:04 Prototype Quadruple 330mm Mle 1931 (CB gun)
10:15 Prototype Su-2 (Dive Bomber)
12:22 Prototype VIT-2 (VK-107) (Torp Bomber)
16:12 Prototype Quadruple 30mm AA Gun Mount (AA)
With the CL gun you can use on CB that has CL secondary guns like Kronshtadt or CA with CL secondary or DDs with CL main like Z23 so it's actually really good on anything that isn't a CL unless it's head nod with the AP skill.
why is he downplaying a Tashkent gun sidegrade
He got the bombers mixed up, the twin engine aircraft is the torpedo bomber, and the single engine aircraft is the "dive" bomber. In quotes because it's supposed to drop skip bombs.
he got them mixed up, realized it and resaid it in the wrong order. Typical kimo
i would just like to note, and this wasn't really covered in the video, that despite the worse armour coefficients, the quad 152 actually does higher dps to both medium and heavy armour, and only slightly less to light. this is because of the quad 152's better overall coefficient and much higher raw dpm than the seattle gun. the plymouth gun also has the benefit of a faster reload than the seattle gun, to the tune of a bit over .6 seconds, useful for helping proc barrages.
I would say that neither of PR5 gear being OP but adding a variety is good thing. Also Yostar put themselves into quite the spot with Brest gun not getting UR rarity considering number of guns and their caliber. My guess is that first UR CB gun will be either from Alaska or we'll get BB caliber CB gun (Siegfried) or who knows maybe both.
a bit relieved that this season's guns arent OP & just a side-grade/alternative to some of the other equipment, as they kept the power creep slowly.
I do wonder how the skip bombs work, I'm assuming they behave like parallel torpedos
I'm literally finishing my PR4 and my 2nd Tenrai and i was like some weeks ago: "i'm f*cked, omg new season, but i didn't finish pr4 yet" and after seeing this video i'll go to PR2 finish Azuma and FDG before going to PR5
I really liked all the PR ships from this season excep the DR ones and with the gear being mediocre i almost don't care anymore
I bet Essex is so happy now she can have her jets
Even Taihou is satisfied in it!
Those are not jets, they forgot to put propeller on it. :D
11:56 you might want to re-check the wiki there on this one. The 100lb Skip is different to the 100lb bombs and they are MUCH better. This new dive bomber does more damage then the base Helldiver on light and medium mobs and equal on heavy, vs the gold helldiver it's better vs light and medium but worse vs heavy. It's hands down the best dive bomber for light armour, 2nd best for medium and 4th best for heavy. Overall it's the new best dive bomber after the Tenrai.
Is the new expo invitation aux good assuming u have venetto??
Considering u have venetto it’s pretty nice yeah
Also remember we gonna get roma today depends on how good she is, it's better to prepare than sorry.
This has to be the first time kimo mentions the skypirates as Douglas
0:49-0:58 They're called Polikarpov VIT Series and Sukhoi Su-2
Well I guess the su can join my shanshikidan gun in the bad equipment team.
isn't the triple 305 (b-50) a better ap gun than agir gun?
Yes
Yes, but you can only have one of those until the rerun of the event
@@VodkamanBRThe rerun won't be back for a while
All the more reason to speedrun PR5 Blueprints to change back to PR4.
SU-2 pronounce it like SU-35. It means Sukhoi 2, like SU-35 means Sukhoi 35.
AA gun should be buffed or removed to allow more access to the other blueprints in the season. Right now it's worse at everything than every AA gun (except the French one) from each season until now, even the Hazemeyer.
nice gud moment for rush some ships in pr5 and go back for another tenrai or 457
i don't get why coefficience is so garbage on it, would at least expect better perfomance on anti heavy and medium than seattle
A decent meme with the UR CL Gun is to give it to Nimi or her sisters (Z23 - Z28).
where's the summary at the end!! usually a 2 min to end the video
7:30
as a wows player, yeah if this was HE in WoWs plymouth gun would be a really good gun but she would be Overpowered ship in WoWs XD
I’m a bit surprised they didn’t incorporate anything to do with AP in plymouth’s skills like they did with Neptune since in wows, she doesn’t have the option to use HE.
Yea I was expecting it to be good especially the new u.r but sadly its really trashy
Edit: I hope they change it soon
They should buff at least the AA gun to give it some use, with better range or higher RoF.
3:20 more AA
This new PR5 gear sucks. Only the UR CL gun is worth getting and maybe the worse tash gun.
Im gonna get my CL gun first and proceed to get my third 457.
UR AA gun when?
The new ur gun is the most disapointing stuff for me
Seem right, kimo and many people don't know that plymouth is the first vanguard to have 3 main gun volley. with this new UR gun. she should atleast have CB lv damage. not your typical CL
@@endgenesis yeah true her skills are nice but the damage output is like …. I could compare it with drake gun …sorry but pretty useless
A thing to keep in mind is that the 20 extra firepower increases to most light cruisers, will increase the damage output of both gun damage AND barrage damage by 10 to 20%.
The glaring issue is it has AP rounds and that can be a huge issue against light armor invalidating the damage boost on light armor.
@@laptophead6326 Pardon me if I'm wrong. But isn't AP ammo is the best for fighting light armored enemies for low calliber guns (like CL and DD guns)? AFAIK, low calliber gun armor modifier works different than high calliber gun. Like the new UR gun for example. It has 110/90/70 modifier. The 110 one is for light armored enemies right?
@@justawanderingoldman7699 AP rounds do higher damage on heavy armor. And for CL and DD gun HE Is better as it has much higher scaling on both light and medium armor, and specifically for CL guns the scaling on heavy is actually HIGHER on heavy armor.
the new gun is AP+ but still it's scaling is 110/90/70 compared to HE that has 140/105/70 and that's not even comparing it to HE+ that has 140/110/75 scaling.
Point is... AP amo is bad compared to HE at least on CL guns