Throws, Air Throws and Throw Baits are Important | Guilty Gear Strive
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- Опубликовано: 16 июн 2021
- streamed June 15, 2021
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I love how every video has at least a few seconds of Sajam being salty that someone made fun of Sol.
He’s not even on the screen and he comes up
@@SupermanSajam I play sol after dropping nago. I don't disagree with the sol dumb guy meme. But hey now I win more matches. But I also understand it comes up way too much.
where are these two men now...
How to dodge air throw : "try to airdash away"
Me as a nago main : Hey nice one man !
Potemkin mains 🤝 Nagoriyuki mains
Not being able to airdash
why would you be airborne when your opponent isn't knocked down on nago lol
@@Wazalove at least Potemkin can double jump
@@drftr6073 because you have to vary your approach. Especially in certain matchups. I'm an axl main and if you refuse to jump I am more than happy to full screen Rensen all day.
@@xXcheapdeathXx please do
This video has motivated me to become that good Gio player that brings people back to Sajam to say sorry to him.
I want to fight a good Giovanna, but the last 13 matches I had were 1 Potemkin, 1 Ram, and 11 Sols.
Hehehe booiiii gg ez wins
i want to fight ram or potemkin, but im playing on pc and everyone is playing giovanna
@@fazeslasher7927 you can always find specific matchups in different park lobbies and have decently long sessions with people. Ranked is not the only option :)
That’s so weird. I see giovanna more than anybody else. Meanwhile with sol, the only characters I see less than him is Millia, zato, and maybe Anji. Even Faust and goldlewis players are more abundant than sol when I’m online and I just find it crazy that the clear cut best character in the game and one of the easiest to use is also one of the least represented, at least from my experiences
Hey I wanted to say that your discord LFG group is really great. I joined for Strive and while it seems most play on PC, I found some good people and matches on PS. I still got bodied most of the time (floor 6 gang) but it's fun to learn and people being chill.
I normally am not awake when you stream, but I fought a giovanna that dumpstered me today and I felt compelled to apologize to you, daisuke, my mom, and whatever god I pissed off to deserve that unholy beatdown.
What's truly astronomical is the number of times I was going to throw my opponent on wakeup, but got thrown instead.
meaty throws are discouraged by the system because of the 6 frame throw invincible window on wake up everyone has.
@@skycomrade4608 you saved the ignorant me from many potential suffering comrade. I have to stop shooting myself in the leg.
@@skycomrade4608 just wanted to let you know you singlehandedly stopped one of my bad pressure habits
@@skycomrade4608 why can chipp throw me so many times on wakeup?
Damn, he's good at explaining
I think it's super duper dope that you take the core concept of whatever you're teaching and then ALSO frame it in the context of the rest of the game. Especially when you're new, it becomes kind of easy to tunnel vision on a single mechanic and think of it as the be all end all solution to something when that simply isn't the case. But a new player can't really be faulted for thinking that way because they just aren't aware of everything that exists in the game. Showing the counters to air throws and how it can eventually evolve into mind games of "what will my opponent do after they RC when I jump" is taking the learning portion an extra step forward. I think you do an incredible job at concisely explaining the concept of a mechanic and then showing how it can properly be used instead of spammed. Unironically, 'damn he's good'
Dude the line about running into a good Giovanna is so fucking true lmao her close slash pressure is a LOT like sols pressure game but WAY more fucked up imo. The thing I've noticed tho is Giovanna players are currently just getting away with murder online because nobody knows how much of her kit loses to 6P.
Yeah once I found out you can 6P her lariat on reaction she was a lot less scary
i love facing Gios for that reason alone. they think my first 6P was lucky so they keep going for the plus frame moves... which i continue to 6P every single time lol
I mean what moves can you 6p aside from the spear thing she does?
Her vegito kick counters 6p, her cs counters 6p. No good gios throw her jump kick on neutral...
I like going for throws once or twice in a row as Potemkin, because when they think I'm gonna throw them a third time I just kara Pot Buster them from just out of their range.
I'm on PS5 hovering between floors 9/10 in US West and actually don't see a whole lot of Sols. It depends on the time of day, but it typically cycles between May, Gio, and Ky as the most common characters.
Throws in this game will be the death of me
everybody saying they've never seen a gio, that everyone is playing sol, im on floor 10 as zato and ive literally played 2 sols, one of which was in open park
same
I usually bounce 8-10 floor and Sol isn't the most picked character.
Opponents waking up with throws are the bane of my existence. Gonna steal that Giovanna combo and start baiting more.
Also at this point I'd be happy to fight more Sols. 8/10 matches on PC EU are Ramlethal.
Also be sure to study meaties. Meaty timings are really important, and worst case, space them out a lot. I've found that a spaced meaty is really good, especially on characters like Nago with really large hit boxes.
@@reeses7839 Yeah, too often I find myself going for a meaty close slash with Giovanna when a far slash would be a safer choice. Thanks for the advice!
@@reeses7839 spaced meaties da wave. even if you mistime it and they get their throw out you just get a counterhit anyway
I literally couldn't get out of Floor 9 because I suck at know when to throw and in turn I get thrown ALOT.
Edit and after watching this holy hell. I get thrown because I get on them to pressure after knowdown and never jump or back dash. You my guy have save my life lol 😆
Also moves that make your character short hop are great for avoiding wake up throws.
Throws are very strong. I'm used to DBFZ where you can try to break basically every throw, fun adjustments to make learning a new game. I think I like the mindgames and layers going on when it comes to throw in this game.
Fuck fighting a good Giovanna, I wanna BE a good Giovanna. Thanks for that combo mate.
Do you know why the second drill sometimes wallbreaks early?
@@NoodleIncidental No clue. Actually, I was labbing CS-2HS-Trovao in the corner the other night, and could get the wallbreak instantly, but that was only in training mode. Tried it online, and when I wasn't dropping it, it wasn't causing the wallsplat. I figure there's something about the wall I just don't understand yet.
@@AsterBTT It seems to work a bit like stun meter - the damage lasts for some time, then recovers, and it doesn't matter which side of the wall got damaged. But it also may not recover fully, just like RISC in old GG.
You just put me onto a fire Gio color. I need to use that one now.
Wow I was actually gonna jump in stream and ask about this
I remember bullying a Anji by spamming Charged Stun Edge->dash-> grab for an entire match.
The next game when i dashed, i threw out 2D since i conditioned him
Idk what it is but i really havent been running into many sols. Played like 25 some people this last day and only got 3.
Hi Sajam, thanks for making these educational videos. I'd like to get your opinion on I-No if possible, what do you think about her? She's taken me to Celestial but I feel like she struggles a lot with getting out of pressure. I noticed Chemical Love misses most of the cast as well.
I have a lot of trouble getting out of pressure from May, Ramlethal and Giovanna players. When I think it's my turn, its not, and my moves come out too slow to punish. :(
I have fought some pretty tight Gios. I had to learn to block a lot...and find them openings. All like 2 or 3 of em lol WE BLOCKING IN THIS HOUSE
Man I've played this game for at least a couple hours every night since release and I've run into like 5 Sols. Where is this supposed Sol army lol
At what level are you playing cause idk how you're missing them unless you're purposely choosing to avoid them, they are literally like 75% of the highest floors
@@enigmaticheart666 I'm sitting in training mode matching, taking whoever challenges me and avoiding the lobbies like the plague lol
I'm no pro to be fair, currently bouncing between floor 8 and 9. Don't know what it's like past there, but not seeing many Sols 'round these parts
@@tracepalmatier9696 that's how it was for me until last night where i cracked into floor 10/heaven and ran into them. I wasn't ready
You'd think after the 30th sol joke people would go for like, any of the other half a dozen insane characters running around
if there's anything i've learned it's that twitch chat as an aggregate is aggressively unfunny and actually just doesn't know better jokes.
Good info. I've yet to get a throw in the game (I just get hit).
Yeah, throw being on D instead of H is different. Well, maybe I'll try throw baiting. Or throw in the future.
Nice vid.
Gio on that thumbnail is gonna make me act up
Very good advice man thnx,
Also haha sol dumb button go brrrr...
Sajam finished the vid off strong lmfao 🤣 😂
Great tutorial though 👌
You don’t even really need to bait throws anymore, cuz throws are 2f startup instead of instant, so if you meaty them they just get CH, plus the old GG reliable of “don’t be right next to them for a meaty and they can’t throw you” still works. A hard bait just kinda gives the opponent room to escape if they didn’t throw
The advantage of baiting the throw is that you increase the chances of someone attempting to avoid the throw and getting blown up for it. If sol is standing is f.s range I know I don't have to worry about being thrown. If he walks up to me I have to worry about being thrown or being hit meaty.
As Anji main: I agree.
I wonder if Satan has seen claytons tech videos on this game. He’s found some cool stuff
That thumbnail tho
You know, I'd legitimately never considered how powerful backdashing is as a pressure option off of a hard knockdown.
It'll lose to reversals and people who mash on wakeup, but especially if you've conditioned a throw, getting a free counter hit into a c.S combo on most characters is monstrous. I'm just imagining the bomber loops on my Axl rn.
It plays double fiddle as being an excellent time to burst bait, cause people are more likely to burst when they panic or are frustrated.
Getting thrown a bunch, trying to counter it with a wakeup throw and hearing COUNTER as the enemy starts their highest damage combo... yeah, that's a burst.
I have played a combined 50 games of strive and somehow have yet to fight a sol player at all. I got a Faust mirror before fighting a sol.
My favorite Ky color 😃
This was 100% what I was struggling last night on. Meaty timings seem very specific and getting tossed on wake up feels so bad. Can a well timed meaty grab beat wake up grab? Or is that not a thing?
Yes. Throws are 2F, so a perfect meaty will beat them.
If you're getting thrown you're mistiming your meaties. There's throw invulnerability on wakeup, so you actually can't meaty throw. And even if you could, the tech window means that you'd just end up teching their wakeup throw anyway.
It's interresting to me that everyone says the encounter sol players en masse because i'ver barely gotten any sol mirror matches.
Maybe other sol players avoid the mirror match? I'm just sitting in training mode between matches and fight whoever pops up, and it's not a lot of sol players who pop up.
As a Nago main, i try to avoid Mirror as much as i can
I don't know either, I've been in Japanese lobby since forever and I saw pretty much every character except Zato. No one play Zato there.
Never EVER found a Zato on the floors though
@@gabrielveiga305 Zato main here, we exist 🙂
Yes! I just needed this video…was in the middle of getting grab spammed
Lol grab spam
If you see a throw coming, why wouldn't you just jump instead of going for a throw tech? Worst case you eat a button if you were wrong. But if you were right, you jump over their throw whiff and get a punish. If you go for throw tech it just seems like you put yourself at risk for a neutral outcome at best (teching the throw).
Sol Badguy? more like Sol Dumbguy, am i right guys?
No one can make me feel bad for being a Sol player cuz I've been doing it since 2008
How do I tech I never get it to work
Same input as throw, you can't react to a throw and tech though the window is way too small, you have to tech on a read
How long do you have to brake a throw?
about 5f
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@@nchJoJo thanks!
So its possible to shimmy bait a throw in this game? Or is it better to backdash like sol?.. or do we just choose depending on character ability / walk speed / backdash... I have to keep reminding myself that throw is on dust now.. I keep trying to press 2 buttons like granblue
The backdash has such quick recovery in this game that it actually is a valid way to shimmy people, kinda funny how even shimmy-ing somebody in this game is faster than other fighters lol
Footsies
All the Sol players just means you get the opportunity to get more practice against Sol. If a particular character is giving you trouble, you should be fighting them more than anybody else to get comfortable with the match up and their options.
*Laughs in infinite throws*
In order to do infinite throws you have to throw frame perfect in a corner to be considered as a combo.
We call this *m e a t* which allows infinite throws but very punishable if messed up.
I guess that when the day comes and they nerf sol along with whatever other characters in some patch in the future it will come with the positive of not having to hear people say anything about the character we like to play.
Or people will find something else to complay Idk
only beta males care about other beta males complaining bro own your busted character like a man
I think how throws work is the worst part of all the Guilty Gears experience for me. Attacks like this should not beat normal buttons or give free presure because of the knockdown.
I don't think throws quite beat attacks,; unless you're really, really close to them. Usually you can just hit them before they get into the range to throw, or mess up their spacing with a timely Faultless. Also, there are some specials that are immune to throws because they're considered airborne, like Ky's Foudre arc or Millia's Iron Saviour.
I really enjoy the throws in this game :)
Jiyuna making videos calling Sol broken and a boss character are probably what's spawning the Sol comments
Sajam's insecurity not letting him understand that the guy at the end wasn't complaining about Sol. He was saying that everyone has started doing it, not just Sol players like Sajam insinuated. Great info nonetheless tho lmao
There is somebody complaining about Sol every time. It’s why I can’t even put him on the screen for tutorials or people lose it lmao