Ego-Maniac Student Thinks He Is “Worth More Than You”
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I work for a medical clinic. We just hired a political science major from an ivy league school for a minimum wage receptionist position.
Is she any good?
I've hired many 6 figure degree holders, they make the same as the high school dropouts I hire to work in the grocery store.
@@rosewoodsteel6656probably more trouble than she's worth
I was a resource advisor for a business one of the résumé’s received was from an Ivy League school. There were some key words used that didn’t even get them an interview as they may have ruined the dynamic of the company.
@@nickamalfitano3613 I had a few employees like that, myself.
Trade school is far better than college for most people
Depends on the majors... dont act like trade school putting out grade A careers across the board. Most arguments want to compare outliers and not the median outcomes. The truth is in the middle of the 2 arguments. take a good welder for example you can make a decent living as an exceptional welder or you can take your skills a mid level welder and some business sense (could be learned from a 2 year business degree) add in a little luck and you can start a successful business and higher less motivated welders to do the work for your business.
@JasonH17 He said "for most people". Not everyone is trying to be a millionaire. Just live comfortably.
I completed my trade school in Jr high and high school .
Education is NOT experience .
30 years later in achieved Master Finisher . No collage ever built could ever educate that knowledge .
P. S. The highest rank obtainable is a trade rank . Higher than PhD. Master is phD . Freeman Painter is the highest most honorable rank .
America only has 1 .
@@cokeweasel1064 what Charlie keeps saying is all colleges students have been fed a lie. He even argues against EE trying to say ain't will replace them.
@@JasonH17 You don't need to go to university if you want to be an Electrical Engineer working for a private company, only if you plan to work for the government or government backed institutions. You need other certificates, but not university and you can learn 100x more by NOT going to university.
I have hired people without degrees over ones with degrees. Sometimes the ones without degrees have more ambition and more skill.
Real-life experience is worth more than a degree . College kids are very arrogant, like a child telling an older man, " You don't know s#it old man." I would have saved myself a lot of troubles if I had taken the life experience from the older and applied it in my life as a youngster. The lesson I learned doing it the hard way myself though proved that lesson ,while gaining experience, and made it stick with me like glue. Having a lesson given slips faster than one experienced. Seems a double-edged sword, a time and place for every idea. Time is the deciding factor when it comes to choosing that road of given and practiced. College kids are arrogant and come with a theory taught by someone else they think is law. A theory that is untested in real life by the one it is taught to. What works for one may not work for another. Real world lessons learned that are successful are proven to oneself to get results and solidified with confidence due to real-world practice and gained basic experience. College kids are too old to be starting out and should have already practiced basic theory through trials and tribulation, building a baseline of skills needed to accomplish any problem from an early age. This is one of the important jobs of a father or father figure to prepare the young for life. Scientific formula and extreme mathmatical equations are excluded . Lol . Real world smarts and experience trump a degree in almost every real-world task you would need to accomplish. IMO , Yes, those with no degree work harder due to already knowing what it takes to survive the public sector and a high percentage of those in college, especially Ivy League , are sheltered, are not "hungry" , have a feeling of entitlement "A better than others complex" due to financial situation or their newly gained "piece of paper" and might not have to work to survive . It really comes down to economics . If you start off lower or blue collar , you will work harder due to simple survival instincts, for those who have it. The majority of the "highly educated" even if they have escaped indoctrination will just be entering the workforce in their mid-20s, never knowing how it feels for a boss to push you around expecting results or being under someone's thumb for a paycheck they may or may not really need . Welcome to the real world. The earlier the start ,the better. Learn a skill to fix something rich people can't do without, have a good work ethic, and you should do verry well with no student debt. Lol. That's a life lesson from an old dude.
@@whatthe5952that’s because those people went to the school of hard knocks. When my boys were in college, if they worked then the grant money gets reduced. How does that educate you to function in the real world.
Almost always in my experience. People with degrees tend to be less ambitious and very snobby.
That’s like saying, “I work with bees and sometimes I get stung.”🤔
I’ve often found people with degrees come across more entitled when I’m interviewing them. I don’t hire those that present as entitled.
Dude is in for a rude awakening when he graduates and gets that “important” piece of paper.
My engineering degree was quite important. Idk about all them loser majors like liberal arts and gender studies. 😂 I use to say it to their face when I was in college. They would laugh at my major saying math and science was ewww. I would reply at least I'll have a job while you will be unemployed living with mom and dad.
without federal funding tuition would drastically decrease
Absolutely, That is when tuition started blowing up is when the Gov. stepped in and ruined everything
Of course. Between subsidies and the Federal Student Loan program, this caused an explosion of tuition. They can ask for any amount of money they want, Uncle Sugar will pay.
Tuition has actually increased at a greater rate than the increase in government funding of college education.
@@MrSeanVideos Of course, because once you start getting the government to pay for it, it sustains itself as the tuition goes up, the demand for higher loans also goes up, and they will keep giving them out. How else can there be 100's of billions of dollars of student debt.The colleges always get paid, they do not care what happens later to the taxpayer and the student.
If students could bankrupt those loans, all of these bullchit degrees would disappear and college would actually mean something again.
They all feel special and entitled like this until the real world sets in.
Just like the kid in the video
Charlie’s point flew over this kid’s head… it’s not your credentials that matter… it’s work ethic and how many pronouns you require to feel safe
Each Pronoun these "Students" use lowers their IQ by 1/2...guess what, a few of them and you're an Edumbicated Idiot!
My daughter went to college for 4 years to become an accountant now works for a pretty big company makes $150ish K a year. My niece learned on the job doing exactly what my daughter does earns a touch more and better benefits in much smaller company. Soo there's that 🤔 😅
Your niece is far ahead of your daughter. She doesn't have student loans to worry about.
Best that boy work as a migrant worker picking our produce inthe hit SUN shirtless
However, if you want to be a CPA most states require a minimum of a 4 year degree and some require the equivalent of a masters.
And without the student loan debt I assume.
I’d say your niece hit the lottery in that field then because typically, you have a ceiling in accounting well below 150K if you are not a CPA let alone not even having a 4 (actually I think it is 5 years now) degree.
Story seems a little off though. One can become a bookkeeper without any rigorous training, but you don’t just train on the job a do real accounting. I can’t imagine any reputable company hiring someone not qualified.
I quit 12 hours short of an electrical engineering degree, to take a job in the field, because I had electrical skills besides schooling. The hardest people to work with were Engineers with no ability to use their book knowledge. I had to train them
Go back and get that degree.
@@rosewoodsteel6656 and do what with it?
He already has the career that he was getting the degree for.
Is it just to impress other people?
@@rosewoodsteel6656how does it feel to tell people to go into life-altering debt?
@@srdgrant 12 credit hours? 12 credit hours could make or break future promotions or future jobs. What if his current company folds? Electrical engineering jobs require degrees.
@@VentrexTheXVth ? Please elaborate, Ventrex.
I'm 52, never studied, been working in tech for most of my life. Worked my way ip from support to devops. Now I'm the guy that gets all the interesting stuff the young techs can't deal with.
Sounds like you’re a subject matter expert and should be in a position leading those young techs to navigate your career field with the lessons you’ve learned. Be the change in the world you want to see.
I retired as a certified NC/CNC machinest. Any day of the week I could walk off my job and be working elsewhere the following week. I never went to any school, all my learning was On The Job. To me, college is a scam.
Federal funding is largely responsible for the cost of college growing at a much faster rate than that of inflation. If those dollars disappeared, the cost for an education would come back in line due to an adjustment in dollar supply vs education demand.
Every time the government gets involved the prices go up and the quality goes down.
Twenty years ago, employers would not look at you w/o a piece of paper. I am gen x and as I worked and gained skills, employers would look at my work experience in lei of a piece of paper. Employers are starting to revert back to work experience because of the current mindset of college graduates.
Yep!
Knowing how to do something productive is light years ahead of "Thinking" you're Smart.
This is the most unintelligent argument there is. Where is it written that someone with a degree doesn't work and gain experience? Most degrees requires on the job training. Not to mention they get out of school if your smart your out in 3 years or less max 4. Especially when you look at a 4 yr degree is often compared to 10 years experience when it comes to highering requirements. The biggest argument against college is government aid and lowering standards. This puts quantity of quality graduates to turn out more profit. If everyone has a degree then its worth less and the ones without are driven down.
Also a GenXer, and that was more than 20 years ago.
Work oil field, drop out of university. Have had helpers with masters in petroleum engineering and helpers with their grade 6. Both got paid the same wage.
If someone had an MS in P.E. and was a "helper"......he must be an idiot!! Either that or the price of oil is back down to what it was like in January 1986 at $9.20 a bbl!!! When over 20,000 Petroleum Engineers and Geoscientists were permanently laid off in Houston and America lost 50% of our oil industry in 6 months!! The brains of the industry were GONE!! People with multiples degrees and decades of experience even! Supply and Demand.....there wasn't even an opening at the Circle K or 7-11. THAT was what caused the Savings & Loan "scandal" with commercial loans going belly-up! Real estate in Houston crashed! Apartments in 82 were $600 for 1-bedroom....by 87 it was $100/month and 13th month free if you signed a 12-month lease.
PS : The PAY of a JOB is ONLY worth what the work is worth....NOT what anyone's credentials are. I ALWAYS asked for what the job was worth. If anyone tried to nickel and dime me and get me for cheap....I IMMEDIATELY WALKED AWAY!! When I had my own businesses, I PAID what the JOB was WORTH....some new hires doubled and tripled their income.....some worked for less ....but I ALWAYS made it clear to EVERYONE...."When you are worth more to me....I will pay you what YOU ARE WORTH!!" And I wanted people who wanted to WORK and DO MORE so THEY can MAKE MORE!! As J. Paul Getty stated as one of his tenets for becoming a billionaire, "PAY the people WHO DO the WORK."
I worked in electronics in the oil field starting in 1980 in Alaska. I got my electronics training doing 4 years in the military. Those jobs paid over 60k a year then.
I worked the oilfield for 14 years and as long as we were booming I was flushed with cash! Covid killed my career.
@@kkingquad That’s sucks. I had my retirement planned with taking vacation from the middle of December to the end of February 2020. I had to go in one day and do the paperwork the end of February. I worked over 30 years in the oil field and along a pipeline line. 8 years as a well logging electronics technician and the rest in telecommunications.
@@Chris_at_Home I worked wireline in WV, OH, KY, VA and PA. Logged, fracked, some pipe recovery and plug and abandon and even some Slickline in the last 3-4 years.
My wife was a DM for Wendy's and she told me that almost half of her workers in her store's had college degree's. Imagine going to college for four years and then you end up working with a bunch of mostly teenagers, flipping burgers....
No good entry level jobs because our politicians sold out American industry to China. All those related jobs went over seas. Purchasing, accounting, managing, marketing, research, advertising and sales jobs gone to China.
I would love to know what they majored in and how much in cost them?
I bet there is a high level of turnaround in the employee base as well. These kids party their way through school and think they have it all. But, they don't know how to deal with the real world, customers or corporate rules.
@@thomaskirkpatrick4031 10 to 1 humanities.
MOST degrees these days are worthless so flipping burgers and asking if the customer wants 'fries with that burger' is the hardest thing they will ever do!
No federal funds would mean the schools need to compete for money. Colleges forced to compete would need to lower their prices to get people to go there. They would be forced to show their diploma was worth actually paying for. Colleges are currently untouchable because of guaranteed government money. Guaranteed money keeps substandard departments afloat.
Yes, it's a great example of why govt needs to stay out of markets. The Electric Vehicle debacle is another.
So true!!!!
It would force the colleges to teach courses that actually COMPETE for students.
Students would push back on colleges forcing them to take courses that have ZERO to do with the degree they are pursuing.
This is true. However, what type of degree are you looking at? When a graduate from high school can't count back change, I'm curious the type of degree she will go after. Less than 10 percent of America's population makes the majority of the tax money and they are expected to pay for someone who can't count or read? SHE JUST GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL! They graduate students when they fail basic math...am I missing something?
I don't understand why it's okay to ruin the business that hires these children but don't bruise the childs ego when they didn't get the instruction manual and sliced a few digits off...
Business doesn't run on feelings alone. Hard work and people that know basic math and reading skills.
I didn't learn to read until I was 19 or 20, so stop making excuses for children who are using you to get what they want! Lol
We don't live in a darned daycare...Life is tough, and now that you have totally sisified our children, you can't clean up your mess and we can't help you!
@@FJANews 👍👏👏👏💯
Power out & had to tell kid that $1.00 - .75 = .25 change😳🫤🤪
BUT those forced courses employ other Idiots...called Tenured Professors!
None of the tech people I know have degrees and I spent 20 years in tech sales. No strike that, I had a sales manager with a degree in oceanography.
as my technical school teacher say,"you nearly never enter the job your that fit major"
@@leobuana7430 I did, but I was NEVER too proud or arrogant to not take any job to make money when I needed it. To eventually get to where I wanted to be. From working as a janitor in college to all sorts of jobs, even part-time while starting and building my own businesses. Certainly, ALWAYS had the attitude that EVERYONE that WORKS is IMPORTANT to each and every one of us. Just like Dana White says and Trump RESPECTS too!!
I think it would make the colleges more accountable to the people who are supporting them. They wouldn’t be doing all this indoctrination crap because if they did, people would be pulling their kids out and taking them to a different school.
I told my kids, I'll pay for college but you have to treat it like a trade school. If you can't say in a sentence I AM A something. For example, I am a DOCTOR. I am a Lawyer. I am a teacher. I am a speech pathologist. I am an engineer. If you can't say it in a sentence it's not a major I am paying for. For example I am a political science. I am a hispanic study. I am a communications.
If it makes no grammatical sense, it makes no career sense.
People don’t realize all the books college students read are available to you. On RUclips you can watch lectures from tenured professors. When an employer talks to you, weather you have a degree or not, they know if you know what you’re doing.
Most things in life take commonsense thinking. hearing the kids with degree's talk there is not a sliver of that coming out of these schools today.
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EXACTLY!!!! My father ALWAYS told us to "GET an education!! Read a book!! Don't be stupid! Libraries are free!!" Pretty much MOST of my "formal" education to get those degrees and credentials were really just "READ the BOOK(s)....take the Midterm and Final". Very little s gained from a "professor or teacher. "The burden to LEARN is on those who want to LEARN! The burden to teach is on those who want to teach." NOBODY can make you learn anything if you don't want to...unless they have a gun to your head! And I would much rather hire a self-taught person over someone that PAID big bucks for a degree!!
I played the college degree game(scam) and I know it has some value and merit but even some of mine was over-rated.... but surely...OVER HALF of college is just a MONEY-MAKING SCAM of the Educational(INDOCTRINATIONAL) Corporate/Industrial Complex!!
The cost of a college education increased sharply the very moment the federal government got involved........
I agree w Charlie. College institutions are essentially large corporations, and should therefore be responsible for providing a good service to thrive rather than rely on government funding which de-incentivizes a good product and releases them from a lot of the accountability
I agree too… I just wish my Alma mater and lifelong favorite school would be exempt so it can survive forever😆 but I get it I get it we’re not special
I can totally blow away this kid's argument about going to school. I had a computer drafting job before I graduated. I just went to a job placement agency. They didn't require me to be a college graduate in order to sign up. They take everybody. While I was at work I was learning ten times faster than I was in the classroom. Eventually, I learned so much about the computer software that my teacher was asking me for help in school. Total waste of time and money. And nobody cares about your "practical application skills". All they care about is how much experience do you have and can you do your job? I've had lots of jobs to back this up. I got receipts.
Great example.. I can give my story that proves the opposite what does that mean for your argument? Does it make your story less true or mine? What works for one person doesnt automatically make it a rule for everyone to follow. If you worked and earned a degree are you saying you wouldnt have progressed faster? I seriously doubt you could say that honestly and if the off chance you honestly could you would be an outlier and I think you know it.
It's always funny to me how people who needed someone to hold their hand through the process of "learning & understanding" put themselves on a pedestal to look down on the people with a vast enough natural intellect to be able to utilize the reborn Library of Alexandria properly.
"reborn Library of Alexandria properly" lmao i love it
Very well said! 👏🏼 seems like someone has been putting that “reborn ancient Egyptian library” to good use👍🏼
You can either be the guy working at the university for a PhD earning scraps, or the guy reading their publications to learn from their findings and bring value to the market.
Or you can be both. There are advantages to being formally educated. But the typical 4 years of glorified alcoholism and degenerate behavior won't make you valuable.
@@jonathanbriggs3535 well the thing that the library of Alexandria was recognized as being a "world wonder" for, was that it was at the time one of the greatest hubs of the collective of human knowledge. They went to great lengths to house as much information in one place as they could.
This is exactly what "the Internet" is.
@@kmp8563 The point of a formal education once upon a time was that it was a certification that people could rely on.
An example would be in older times someone may not know you or being immediately able to look into your works, but a place like Oxford University was renowned for the individuals it produced, so having an authentic document from them saying you were taught by them held "trust" that a new graduate didn't have to generate when going to a place they hadn't been before.
An education from an established group is only as valuable as the individuals it produces. Because of THAT college has become a wasteful and unnecessary scam. The money they spend on that "education" if you can call it that anymore would be better used going to learn at a trade school to develop a skill that is profitable and useful.
My husband is a computer programmer since the 80’s never went to college.
Yep, and those Algorithms are hard to tame!
The kid NEEDS that piece if paper to be worth more than his school cost in total. If it doesn't then he knows he wasted time and money
Trades without loans you can earn 6 figures. But its hard.
@@SGlitz you don't need to earn 6 figures. Just don't go in debt or pay rent and you can live well with half of that.
My husband makes 150k a year without college. He was hired over college grads because he had actual training in his field (learned his trade in usmc) He looks over resumes to build up his teams, actual real experience is hired over fresh college grads. 🤔
(He said he tried a few grads, and they were terrible)
Edit: watched more of the vid. Oh damn!!! He said CS!!!That's one of the jobs my hubby hires for. And like I said before, they hire experience not grads. Darn that boy is wrong 😂😂
His company is "mid" level contracts (but that's still millions)
Military is a good alternative to a university but you act like you dont put in your years and alot of grunt work in the military . 10 years and rank of at least Major to be exact to make that kind of money while in the miltary
I'm an example of someone that didn't finish college and still got a job in the field.
Computer science major, and now I'm in tech support. I'm the guy that fixes computers, and I didn't even have to finish to get here.
I'm in. My foots in the door.
My best friend became a software engineer at the age of 16. How? He started specializing at the age of 10 by going to free or next to free private courses and most importantly Self-Educating. And I have a dozen friends and acquaintances that did the same thing and got an engineering job during or straight out of high school.
interesting. whered you learn from to fix computers are you just self-taught? and what kind of tech support is it how long have you been doing that
@@exchangAscribe You can absolutely self-teach yourself to the point you can change any and all electrical components on the GPU and motherboard PCB, including the GPU chip itself.
Study some electronics. Start with the art of electronics and then move to some diagnostic book or course and expand from there.
4:00 I think the biggest benefit to no federal tax dollars would be that many schools state would have lower admissions and some would close. That would make academic competition among colleges pick up as the trash classes would be defunded, the better students would be accepted and the lesser students would go to trade schools, work or community college. The result would be that a college degree would become more scarce thus more valuable.
So hire a dude with a 4-year degree or hire a dude with 4 years of experience?
That kid wont have a job after college. He will be living with his parents. PERIOD.
Federal has only been in the lending business for the last 20 years. People who went to school either paid for it by themselves or got loans not from government
Lot of those major companies we're started an ran by drop outs
“A lot of those major companies were started and run by drop outs.” Bullshit.
Federal funding is not the same as State funding. If you remove federal funding they will still get what ever money the state has been funding them with and the state may increase its funding to make up for the difference.
If you remove federal funding from state schools, there would certainly be a short-term shakup, but in the long term, there would be a sorting of viable degrees that could justify their own return on investment.
If Federal funding was cut, then States would continue their funding but those colleges would have to live on a smaller budget
I was a prototype machinist with only a couple certificate courses. After a review I was told I was making more than a lot of the engineers and in his opinion (my boss) I was more valuable to the company.
In REAL Companies it's how an employee puffs up the bottom line, it's not the ability to BS your way through something...UNLESS you're in Sales, then BS is your stock and trade!
I'm amazed at how mellow the kids are listening to the student and Charlie talking. Not obnoxious like most kids are to Charlie.
They would be surprised... Companies can give 2 shits if you have a piece of paper. I know this from experience. I have 30+ years of software development experience. Self Taught, No college degree. I retired at 40. I have been coding since i was 15, in the 80's. I know mechanics, welders, electricians, roofers, framers, finish workers, plumbers and various entrepreneurs who have never went to college and make a good living doing what they've cared about doing their whole lives... You can get in places knowing nothing if you are willing to be paid little. I have worked trade jobs in the 90's where I would work for free for a week just to show them that I can learn and do what they need me to do. THAT is how you get in places IF you are serious about wanting to learn something. Working free for 1 week is WAY less than a college loan.
I got stuck in...won,got out at 40...no debt.
Job experience is more important to employers than any degree. Some who were doing the job for 4 years will get the job before someone who just went to school for 4 years.
That was not always the case. Back in the day, employers would require a college degree before you could even get an interview. Today's woke nonsense and trans crap has changed all that. Experience and some schooling will now get you the job over someone with a four year degree and no work experience.
His degree will get im lots of debt and a job as a taxi driver
The IRS makes very clear who is and is not more important to society.
The IRS is used to redistribute wealth. The lower 40% of income earners pay zero yet get "refunds" somehow - which was earned by the top income earners.
Socialism at work in the USA.
@TeranRealtor I read that the lower 40% paying zero was misinterpreted? I read that the lower 40% not paying were older and younger people who didn't work? I'm genuinely asking because I've only just stumbled into this topic and I'd like more info. I absolutely agree that the IRS is a socialist institution. I personally know people who don't work at all and somehow manage to get $10k refunds, all while screaming "eat the rich!" Without realizing the top 1% pay almost 50% of all federal taxes. This whole thing is just wild to me.
Earned income credit. That is the program that allows you to get back more than you made, as long as you worked some. Must have kids. I got this a couple years when I was a single mom and struggling with young kids. I have to admit I thought it was nuts that they gave me back five grand in a year that I only made about 15 and also paid zero taxes. It’s welfare without saying that it’s welfare. Also, you have to file the schedule, Most low income earners ( without tax help) miss this. The whole program is bas ackwards!
I work in a place where they don’t care if you got a degree, they care that you get the job done… degrees don’t really matter until you past the supervisor/management but even then you put your time and effort you can get there with a highschool diploma
The first time I went to college there was no student loan. Minimum wage was 1.65 per hour. I just paid for it. Few class classes. Went back in the 90’s and I couldn’t get a student loan because I didn’t make enough money. The only thing federal funding has done is increase cost.
I live in Brisbane Australia, we have construction workers earning 250k a year and they have strict stop work with pay procedures for rain, heat, cold. Meanwhile the kids with degrees are making their coffees in the morning.
I remember that I had to pay a fee in my last year of college, because they were trying to gather funds for a football team. That included the construction of the stadium as well. Students would have free access to the games (aside from the fee), but the stadium wouldn't be finished during my stay and I also never would have taken advantage of that because I'm not a sports guy. The fee wasn't optional, though.
Supply and demand, my man
The best way to help students is to provide access to scholarships based on performance and not a “you can borrow :) and pay later regardless of what you study.”
DEFUND ALL COLLEGES! STEM ONLY COLLEGES,,, THE REST IS ALL GARBAGE AND CAN BE STUDIED ON RUclips!
9:50 nonono man, the only difference is at college all that stuff is handed to you on a silver platter. If you teach yourself, like wirh any skill, you have to go and research and find what you want on your own. Learning the basic skills of coding is PERFECT because you now can find ways to incorporate your ideas into the basics of your coding which will help you expand and learn more. 8 weeks v 4 years of college? Yea I'd take the 8 week course and spend the rest of those 3.5 years learning my own shit.
on your question: the answer is "it depends". So, the sources of revenue for the school are tuition, state funding, federal funding, donor/alumni funding, endowment appreciation, research work for hire, and sports revenue. In the region I live, a local arts oriented college just closed. So yes, there probably would be less schools, but that doesn't mean that the remaining schools wouldn't expand enrollment. To your question on ROI, again, it varies....obviously, if 10 kids with electrical engineering degrees apply for a job, the ones with more prestige (or believed to be "better", whether that school actually is or isn't) have some advantage. HOWEVER, the major determinant is the demand for the degree itself. If someone really really loves teaching Latin, or really really loves Indiana Jones movies and wants to be an archeologist, the demand for those jobs just isn't there, and they will work for less money than say, pretty much anyone with a degree in petroleum engineering or say, finance. It's just the way it is. The market determines the value, and pays accordingly.
One of the unsaid things in the STEM field, unless you go to work for the government or the military, most of your knowledge is at least two generations behind.
Work ethic > Degrees
Go to trade schools, youngsters!!!!!
Be a mechanic, welder, electrician etc…
You’re guaranteed a job for life.
The vast majority of people who go to college have zero business being there. Thats the point.
Jojo, I love how you pursue knowledge and understanding. Thank you for sharing your honest thoughts and journey of acquiring wisdom.
I studied two years, and feel that what I brought knowledge wise from that course, could've easily been learnt by working instead of studying. The certifications get you in the door, but it doesn't mean you are gonna be great at your job.
State colleges just mean they're sponsored and subsidized by a state. Federal funding is separate. Federal funding are things like the Pell grant and student loans and other grants.
But removing federal funding would make it where the college would have to use the money it gets from tuition and donations better than they are now. And they would be more accountable to the students and donars.
I work for a telecommunications company. The smartest human I’ve ever known works for them and I work with him daily. he has zero college education. He has worked hard and learned faster than most people combined.
My uncle was an assistant district engineer for a state highway dept.
He didn't have a degree. He started work as a low level hand doing highway maintenance.
Over time he got promoted to a Forman, then a superintendent, and eventually to district engineer.
When his boss retired the only thing that kept him from getting that job was lack of a degree.
But he rose to the number 2 position on his practical experience. He knew everything that his boss with a degree knew. He just learned it all without going to college.
I myself am an auto mechanic. In my 40 years of repairing cars and trucks it has all been hands on knowledge. Automobiles have advanced so much during that time. I had to learn the computer systems as well as the newly designed engines and transmissions.
My job is a constant learning experience. Every year there are more and more new systems to learn.
An electrician that is good at his job will never be unemployed or replaced.
You shouldn't hold the truth because you don't want to cause students to have to crawl back into their safe box
I hate how the word "triggered" is becoming mainstream.
Wait until he gets out of college and finds out just how little his degree is really worth. And just how little he really knows.
I say the schools needs to reimburse the the students that the schools sold a useless degree to. When a scam artist gets caught, the government tries to get some or most of the victims money back but the government uses tax payers money to cover the scam for the schools
Learned to code all on my own, never even stepped foot on a college campus. Started out running network cables, now a 6 figure earning Security Engineer
I once had an employee that graduated college while working for me. After graduating, she came in with the attitude that things will be different for her. I said sorry, you are still in the position that you was hired for. There are no other openings available. She ended up quitting only to find another job that was below her position with us. None of our positions required a degree.
I worked for a plant engineer who had no college, but tons of experience in many areas of mechanical/electrical engineering. Myself, I worked my way up from machine operator to millwright/machinist repairing printing equipment after serving in the Naval Air Forces. I always knew that college was not in my future. I loved what I did for nearly 40 years.
I worked in CPA firms for 16 years. I had no degree, learned on the job. I literally had to train the college grads that we hired, some didn’t know what a debit or credit was.
I attended a state University for two years and halfway through realized college wasn’t for me. I then worked for an electrician, a local cable company and a plumber. I restored two cars on the side and 24 years ago got a job with the federal government. I’ve stayed in touch with people I went to high school with and I make more money annually than probably 2/3 of the ones that went to college for a degree. My current job allows me to utilize all the experience I had learned through all the trades I had learned to get me to where I am today. There has always seemed to be a stigma around doing a trade for a living, but if you ask all of those who do it, they make very good money and will always be in demand.
As my Calc 2 teacher said, outside of the Math and Science buildings, those are jobs programs for the professors.
The primary research question for Computer Science is “Can you use Google.”
My son finished an MSc in a UK University, he has stared paying back his Uni fees through tax, however his Uni received funding and equipment from large companies, so his books and lab equipment were free and they had top quality equipment because of it.
I worked 2 jobs to pay for school when I went in for nursing. I took a small loan (3000 dollars) during the first semester to buy the required text books, scrubs, equipment, etc. But that was only 1 semester. All of my prerequisite classes, I paid for out of pocket, and all following semesters I paid for out of pocket. Best decision I ever made, not having 20,000+ dollars in student loans.
Prior to 1992 all loans were between the student and the banks. By 2005 all college loans became Federal. The expansion of federal loans for students caused the economic means testing of majors/student loan debt disappeared. This caused tuition to explode as the Feds would loan the student whatever was needed to pay for college, regardless of ability to pay the loans back.
In Chicago, I learned that a degree is worthless. Employers would rather hire you as long as you are: smart, a hard worker and know how to dress and speak.
A college grad demands higher pay, in order to pay off their student loans. An employer would rather hire you, pay you less than a grad and just train you.
if federal funding is removed:
1- college would become cheaper. (federal funding artificially inflates tuition)
2- colleges would change their curriculum to serve serious students who are actually working toward a career goal.
3- vanity degrees would go away, because students won't pay for vanity degrees themselves.
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remember that federal funding didn't exist until 1965. college was very affordable before that.
since then, tuition has risen at FOUR TIMES the inflation rate.
this is because colleges are now more concerned with chasing federal dollars than actually preparing students for a realistic career goal.
if you walk in with a student loan, the college will happily provide you with a worthless vanity degree, because it's not their problem.
they don't care whether you actually USE your degree to start a real career, because they already have their money.
We were celebrating completing our 8 week management training for a large communication company when we went around the table saying what college & what degrees everyone had. When it got to me I said I got my G.E.D., that’s it. I came in as an entry level employee and worked my way up to management. I could tell some of them didn’t like my answer. Especially when I told them that education requirements were exempted for me based on performance & experience-
We were in the same boat with the same pay, except I didn’t have any debt
Around 10 minutes in:
There's no greater learning experience than having a professor that can look directly at you trying to solve a problem and point out exactly how and where you're screwing it up.
Now, if we could get the costs back to a reasonable level, we'd be set.
I worked all through high school and by the time I graduated from college, I had been promoted into management by the time I was a college junior. Not working at all until you graduate with a degree is a handicap unless you're in a very in-demand field.
Lawyer you don’t need a degree, lawyers used to become lawyers through apprenticeships
You're in a new house. Looks good and roomy. I'm so proud of you. I still live in a hovel 😂
He'll make a great minimum wage Starbucks barista one day.
I retired as a self taught Electronics Engineer following a 53 year career designing PCB's. I worked on everything from Audio Equipment to Spacecraft. In organizations from startups to NASA.
In highschool I got a job in a company heavily in engineering in the shipping department, I was trained as a electrical and mechanical engineering. The years after I went to a large insurance company in it department. They gave aptitude tests that were easy. I am now a senior level database engineer. I am also heavily headhunted.
It takes work without that silly piece of paper, but I also had a 4 year headstart with no debt.
I know a guy worked for the largest wireless carrier in the world High School Dropout retired engineer at 58, he used to tell me stories about the college grads that he was forced to interview. He would tell me on average that a college grad would take 3 to 4 years to come up to speed versus somebody that had experienced sometimes walking through the door and taking over their job responsibilities in weeks.
I quit school after 10th grade. I went into the military with a GED and then went into construction. I raised 6 kids and a niece on my wages. The wife was a stay at home mom.
What I’ve learned.
Know the difference between needs and wants.
Learn how to budget.
Don’t use credit cards at all if possible.
Start with a small home and work your way up to the one you want.
The only time the question of where you went to college comes up in the corporate world is during sports events.
If a college cannot stand on its own two feet without government funding……then how can it possibly put out graduates who can stand on their own two feet?
If the colleges/universities want to stay in business, they will lower their tuition to allow students to afford to attend. They will also trim off non-viable degree programs, and will cater to programs that produce students prepared for high-paying careers that people will actually NEED a degree for (engineering, law, medicine, etc.).
States like North Carolina cannot even pay for our Public Schools grades 1-12. Many years ago in North Carolina our states taxes paid for our schools. Maybe not the best but at least students had paper and pencils instead of teachers buying this out of their own pockets. In 2006 the North Carolina Education Lottery was implemented. The politicians in NC had the public believing that this money would be added in addition to the state taxes already used for public schools. They LIED! Instead they took away the money from state taxes for public schools and used this money for raises for themselves, building lavish state government buildings. Basically building state buildings with marble floors, fancy furnishings, fresh flowers, and opulent wooden decor. A couple of years ago I had a business meeting scheduled and I accidentally went into the wrong high rise building. When I walked in I was shocked at the lavish building I just walked into. I realized I was in the wrong place and as I was leaving I looked at the sign on the building. It was the North Carolina State Board of Education. I was pissed! Our teachers are paid horrible wages, students in the NC get the short end of the stick while the upper administration, politicians and unelected bureaucrats bureaucrats live like kings.
That girl’s Laugh after Charlie says mis-pro-nouning people! 😆 Even she realizes it’s BullShit! 🙄🤦♂️🤨😉🤣
As a college drop out! Proud of it! The world does not care where you went to school unless it's a specific technique such as medical or engineering! I work in nuclear power plants! All over the country! I don't design them! My father had a doctorate in toxicalogy and a major in chemistry! Very specific avenue to take. But again, once he got out of college he had 2 jobs. One at a small chemical company and then he worked at Kodak, which was the big time in the 70's and 80's he eventually got to 3 positions away from CEO. His degree mattered, but it's not what took him up the food chain, it was his work ethic and drive, his personality, he was a salesman for Kodak at one time. The role you initially take isn't always where you finish!
Every company I've ever worked for loves me! I have a high IQ and can learn anything quickly! When I was 18 I had the idea that I wanted to be an architect! Super over saturated field, especially in the late 90's! I've built houses! I'm mechanically inclined. I'm good at sales as well. Small companies are where I thrive, not corporate conglomerates! My resume speaks for it's self not my degree! You want to be rich? Buy real estate! Only thing they're not making more of that will only gain value!
Several years ago my friend a hugh school grad with many years at company was promoted to manger. After a few years, she was demoted and replaced by a college grad. She had to hold his hand through the leaning process. I think some of the pressure to hire people with degrees was the government covering their butts
“You wasted $150,000 on an education you coulda got for $1.50 in late fees at the public library.”
Coincidentally, I too studied computing science at university.
Wasting three years on that was the biggest mistake of my life. And I was almost stupid enough to waste a fourth.
I worked behind the bar, and I can’t tell you how many people I worked with who graduated from college, could find a job or….found a job in their field, and went back to working behind the bar because they were making more money.
Hey, my ol’ SU got a shout out! Fun times…. 😂
Besides the highly regulated professions like Drs, Lawyers, and….. Public Accountants, most of the time you won’t need a “degree” if you can prove your skill.
It would be wrong if someone promoted lying about education on job applications. Great thing we're all honest and nobody is doing that. Goooo schoool! 🥳