THE DOWNFALL OF DERBY COUNTY: HOW IT HAPPENED
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Which club do you guys want to see me focus on for next times episode? 🤔
Idea; rate all the championship kits out so far
Sheffield wednesday
Evaluate the story of Blackpool fc 😉
Norwich City from promotion via playoffs in 2014/15 to relegation in 2015/16 .......... to promotion in 2018/19 to relegation in 2019/20 to promotion in 2020/21. Another idea is Aston Villa's story from relegation in 2015/16 to finishing 11th in top flight 2020/21. Huddersfield is also a good one to do.
The rise and fall of Huddersfield
What a refreshing video. Very different from your normal stuff👍
Reminds me of HITC Sevens' Alfie with his documentaries, only more topical now.
More topical and with 90% less Socialism.
Loooooool, is this a compliment 😄
I’m a derby fan. Such a well made video with plenty of detail without missing any key details. Hopefully we can get taken over very soon (it won’t happen) and we can slowly get back on track. Hoping for a lot here.
Appreciate that 🙏🏻
Good club with a rich history. Always a really good atmosphere when I visited as an away fan. That said, I keep thinking back to the sympathy Derby County fans showed my team Leeds United when we were in a similar position.
Laughed at, taunted and ridiculed for the entire game. Their win that day put them into the play-off and relegated us to League One. I can still remember the ‘we’ll never play you again’ chants.
We also got same treatment at Bolton, Portsmouth amongst others.
I hope they have the same struggle we had. What goes around, comes around……..
Great video mate! As a DCFC supporter, this video is very hard to swallow. But, to be fair, we absolutely deserve everything that comes our way. Morris tried. But in the process, destroyed the club. He knew what he was doing and tried to cook the books. We are shit. With no one to blame but ourselves. It would not surprise me if we set the Championship record for least amount of points scored in a season. It’s a club with history. Which helps when trying to attract new owners. But, things won’t change until we hit bottom. And, we are no where near bottom.
Appreciate that 🙏🏻 Yeah it's been such a rollercoaster ride these past few years, hopefully things do start to turn back in the right direction soon
the rise and fall of hull city would be interesting. from league two in 2004 to the premier league in 2008. an fa cup final and european football in 2014. then back to league one in 2020. never a dull moment.
Yeah Hull will be an interesting one to look into
Swansea was league two also I think in the mid 2000s to premier League . Also how did Bradford go the other way from 2000 and no sign of coming back soon ?
AS an Evertonian, I wish Derby well. As i write this they have equalised with Birmingham, go rams !
Fantastic video Ben, pretty much sums up our plight and the absolute circus our club is. We have just 9 fit ‘senior’ (at a push) outfield players and can’t sign anymore due to the disgrace that is the EFL and the mess they’ve created through their appeals. At least we give you one easy prediction for the table next season! 😅
The fact that Derby weren’t promoted in this time is an absolute joke with the teams we had. The amount of off-field incidents and big injuries we’ve had are a joke. I can’t think of a more frustrating club to support in the league, just praying for stability and a miracle
Hey not cool.
Yes EFL have been a joke for everyone down in that level. EFL needs a overhaul to help everyone. I will still support Derby but hurts to see the potential not being fulfilled. Need the right owner to take over Derby.
hehe
Wayne Rooney as a manager?
By contrast look at a superbly run club like Burnley, and a manager in Sean Dyche who gets the absolute maximum out of what they have
Excellent piece. I love you to do a piece on Accrington, The Club That Wouldn't Die.
Our clubs is a state I'm embarrassed to be apart of it at the moment.
Same
C´mon lads, hold up your head. Never feel embarrassed. Its our club. I aint got time or inclination for no defeat talk. Time we took the Ram by the horns and the fans had some form of ownership. This lot are pulling us into the knackers yard!
It was ironic that when Leeds won promotion to the Premiere League, Derby away was the very next game, and the players had to give Leeds Utd a Guard of Honour, successfully complaining that the Leeds team over celebrated their promotion This is no surprise because over the years have gone out of their way in preventing Leeds having success.
When they beat Arsenal in 1972 Cup Final Leeds were on course to win the double, but the FA decided that Leeds would have to play a catch up game against Wolves the following Monday just 2 days after the Wembley triumph. No one before, or since, has had to face that problem Wolves beating a very tired Leeds
When that clever waist of space Bates declared Leeds bankrupt after suffering relegation from the Championship, Leeds were deducted 10 points. But, in doing so, The EFL deducted a further 15 points in the first season of League one with the mad man Bates still at the helm. How could anyone who cost Leeds Utd 25 points, still be owning the club
It is not only my belief but that of many others, that the EFL have wanted to punish Leeds Utd at every verse and chorus they could, why? Because their predecessors Leeds City were thrown out of the league for paying players through the trauma of WW1 When all the other clubs were quietly doing the same thing
Well said Sir, the establishment has always had it in for Leeds. As regards Derby complaining about over celebration, their playoff win at Elland Road springs to mind.
Spot on @Tony Tanner - c ouldn’t have said it better ALAW!
@@davidshanahan3693 that the night they got promoted?? Oh wait a minute 🤣🤣
@@jpm051978 When the bungs get handed out by Revie and they clatter players for fun, i am fairly glad that the establishment had it in for them.
You're giving the EFL way too much credit. Having an agenda against someone at least requires some level of competency to see it through. It isn't that the EFL have it in for teams like Derby, Wednesday, Leeds, etc - it's that they handle these clubs so incompetantly that it looks that way. If they weren't as incompetant in making and enforcing the rules as they are, these clubs would never have gotten into trouble in the first place.
Supporting my club through this 'downfall' has aged me terribly
It's been 9 days since you posted this message.
@@ianpodmore9666 It's been 3 days since you posted this message.
was there when they brought clough & taylor out onto the middle of the pitch ( they waved with there hands in the air turning round ) we had bought hector from bradford for £40.000 weeks before they replaced everybody but webster/hector.. and nearly got us relegated ..BUT next season they had gelled and they got mackay to sit in front of the defence..was a 15year old then..
you know what the main attraction is ..when a goal is scored everybody goes wild had never experienced that before in my life..
subscribed this channel is really good... thank you sir
It's sad that Derby didn't get promoted when they were pipped by QPR in the playoff final as they really could've done with the premier league revenues even if they got relegated (with more dignity this time no doubt) with the parachute payments. I hope they and Nottingham Forest sort themselves out asap!
@@cleanwalrus not really because they would've been able to invest in the club more by being in a healthier financial position compared to being in a lower league and risking the financial stability of your club for unguaranteed promotion which many clubs in the championship are also doing
I am a rams fan and it hurts to see this... But for all the other fans laughing at this situation - be warned. Most of the football teams outside of the premiership are really close to this same situation....
Ben’s voice: 📈📉📈📉
Nah jk nice refreshing style Ben, also a good watch as a Forest fan 😂
I'm a Forest fan, but this is a really well made and interesting video, Ben. Keep up the good work 👍
Appreciate that pal 👊
you reds
F.T.I.D. Laugh, I almost shat.
As a Forest fan it would be stupid to laugh at this, as we are not in a much better place ourselves! The blame lies at Mel Morrises door, plus alot of the players need to look at themselves in the mirror. Rooney is just plain thick.
Agreed. Forest fan here and must admit it's a good video :)
You forgot to mention that Zamora only scored after exchanging a neat series of passes with Keogh!
Don't you mean WRDCFC. You spend more than what you can afford and still can't recruit the players or manager to get to the top division this is what happens and proves how s**t the backroom staff must be.
But at least you still have the lowest points record.
The bleakest news is that you have kept Rooney as manager.
How
@@alberttanner408 he is not a good manager and was never a clever person.
This has nothing to do with Rooney.
He's not Arsene Wenger, he was kept in the dark about the club's finances.
Rooney will never be a good manager and after Derby no one will employ him. When will English clubs learn that just because one was a good player he will make a good manager. Look at Lampard, Keane, Trevor Francis, Gerry Francis, Stuart Paerce, Tony Adams, Gary Neville they were all given teams because of their playing careers and not because of their managerial credentials. Derby County is too big a club to start at as a manger. If Rooney or Lampard wanted somewhere to start management they should have looked at a League 2 team and try to build something there and then after being tested given and take a Championship club of the history and stature of Derby County.
You list the facts but no actual analysis of the causes of them. It begins and ends with Mel Morris who pronounced a manager wasn't playing the Derby way but could never explain what that way was. He said that promotion to the Prem wasn't an immediate aim, then promptly sacked a manager because he didn't get promotion. He promoted Rooney to player-coach within 3 weeks of Cocu starting as manager, completely undermining him. He seems to like rubbing shoulders with megastars like Redknapp, Lampard and Rooney and there were rumours he interfered with team selection. He did put money into the club, but clearly money the club could't really afford to spend as is now coming home to roost. And I don't know who was really behind the buying at the club, but most of those names were simply horrible to be reacquainted with. The only exception was Nigel Clough, who was ordered to slash the wage bill and bring in non-league, 1st & 2nd Div players which he did and was progressing on the pitch. He never should have been sacked when he was. And I can't believe Keogh won that employment tribunal, the man was a disgrace as a professional off the pitch as bad as he was a captain on it; every time we conceded a goal, he had he mad eyes at a team mate supposedly at fault when a good part of the time it was on him. I make Sean Morrison absolutely right in his video.
We will be back we just need to survive this season and hopefully we’ll improve from there this season is gonna be pain but I think we could survive
And if anyone says we will be In league 1 this season we won’t as we have to publish our accounts by mid august and by then we would have already played 2 matches so we can’t but if we get a point deduction you might as well nail up to 24th place
Edit: no point deduction for derby this year 😊😊😊
Derby are shit
@@mattyharper6892 great debate there mate 👍
@@georgeduckett4048 he's right though🤣
@@georgeduckett4048 ???
Not now 🤪
Couldn't have happened to a nicer club, disappointed they weren't relegated last season but hope springs eternal for this upcoming season.
Rooney will take them down, we can look forward to that haha.
It's Derby and Forest, we're all on our own!
Haha yes
🎶 derby are falling apart again 🎶
Loving this sort of content from you Ben, keep it up mate!
Thanks mate! 🙏🏻
The fall & rise of. Leeds united.
It all began with Brian Cloughs leaving for Forest in the 70's. The place has never been the same since and Derby isn't a big draw of a city east Midland wise as it doesn't think like one.
How to save Derby:
Use time machines to not sign Keogh.
Buy anti drone weapons for training ground.
Do a downfall of my club, Wednesday
I'll deffo do that at some point
This bloke came up to me enquiring about my availability for running a Sheffield football team next week. I said: 'I can't manage Wednesday'.
Wednesday who?
@@Zoroaster1996 I was struggling with too many bags as I came back from the shops when a car stopped in front of me. Darren Moore got out and said, "can you manage?"
I replied, "oh no, you took the Wednesday job you can do it yourself."
Coventry fan here. This was an interesting video. We just signed Martyn Waghorn from Derby.
Good luck to you and Martyn he needs to stay fit though as he was out of the team for so many niggles.
When you gamble with an average hand then you must fail
Is it a case of wildly optimistic dreams overtaking reality
Always felt that Derby has been underachieving but I couldn't believe that they didn't have a focussed approach
Over the last ten years Leicester have had the reality and collective approach that is needed
As always that has to start from the very top of the club
Didn't deserve to stay in Championship last season. Hope they go down this year.
All went wrong after they won the championship at Elland Road
Can u do Birmingham Ben we’ve been through some rough times but it looks like it’s getting better
Yeah I'll deffo do Birmingham at some point 👊
@@BenHD cool
Best person to do a video and report of the blues is DavoBirmingham on RUclips
Why do I even support derby it’s painful 😂
Because you are not a plastic man city fan
@@afccherries111 true
As Leeds I’ve been there mate but it will get better lol
@@robertsampson3772 Leeds has never been this bad down as derby is rn
Because you live there and it’s already expensive enough without travelling elsewhere. Just hang on in there and there’ll be a Cloughie-like second coming........but it won’t be the thicko Scouser you have atm....
Derby are going to league 1 no matter what , loved the vid Ben
Guarantee we wont go down if we are in championship next season
@@xysit_9668 You will go down if you are in the championship next season , you have about 13 first team players you can5 buy anyone and you have Wayne Rooney as manager 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@blueterrier1970 cute that init mate I'll put money that we finish mid table
@@xysit_9668 You won’t finish mid table , you have no depth and a lot of your squad is 30+ yr olds you would be lucky to finish 21st
@@blueterrier1970 😂 what a clown u are
Great vid it was a bit of a laugh for me as my mate is a derby fan
7:45 Sorry Wozza, my favourite footballer is now Sean Norrison
sean morrison 😂😂 how have i never seen that before
That’s the story of Derby County. More turn than a washing machine in the last ten years.
Desperate short term planning season after season unsurprisingly ending with a club knee deep in the brown stuff.
The fans don’t deserve such reckless management from the top down.
There is no "downfall of Derby County". We've seen some awful times, far worse than now. I remember us going from European Cup Semi-Finalists and Champions of England to ending up down in the depths of Division Three, all within 10 years! However within a few years of that we were back at the top and by the mid-90s a strong force in the newly-founded Premiership. All we are doing at the moment is paying the price of several failed promotion attempts. On balance, our financials are surprisingly stable (helped largely by our native Mel Morris pumping so much money into the club), but our serious lack of investment in new players at the moment is holding us back. As long as we can stay in the Championship while we recover, there's no reason to confidently say we are enduring a "downfall".
Fluking ironic, Derby use drones, Leeds used a bush, I wonder what team is struggling Mr Frank Lampard?
hope they finish in non league for the next 25 years nffc
You can only cook the books for so long.
Great documentary. When Steve McClaren is one of you're highlights, you know that you're doomed.
Nice to see an HITC Sevens type videos on your channel
Some great memories here. Thanks for putting it together. Love from Nottingham X
Really enjoyed this video because I’m a derby fan, would like to see how other clubs have been screwed around with and what’s happened to them in a future video 👀
As Leeds fan we’ve been screwed by just about everyone add miss management by the likes of ridsdale bates going down to league 1 minus 25 points but slowly we rise only to end op with ceilino who is the worst of the lot we now have a fantastic owner and a brilliant manager feel sorry for derby Rooney was a great player but looks clueless as a manager I fear for derby next season
What a banter club…….
You know it's bad when even Burton Albion are taking the piss 😂 🟡⚫
Get rid of Rooney as he is totally useless as a manager. He couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.
No point if we're under a transfer embargo. May as well put me in charge if we cant buy new players
1st team might be shite, but they have one of the best youth academies in the country
Bolton Wanderers would be interesting.
The theme running through this is spending a lot of money on average players, with a hit rate of about 1 in 4 of the players signed good enough to get Derby promoted. The exception to this of course was when Lampard was in charge when some real quality took to the pitch.
As a Forest fan, much as I hate Derby, we are actually pretty similar in a lot of ways. I think that makes us hate each other more. The difference being that Forest's highs are higher, and Forest's lows are lower. We are similar to the sheep but generally even more erratic and rudderless. We seem more prone to extremes. But overall both sets of fans have a similar experience
I can see a points deduction looming
One bit everyone misses out on the Leigh case is that derby offered him a contract with reduced wages so he could get medical treatment at derby cause he only had 5 months left on his contract but he wanted the same wage and derby refused to pay a player that much when they wasn’t playing a game. We at one time a club everyone was scared to play against now we’re a team everyone wants to play against it sad but it’s so true unfortunately. I’ll be with club where ever we play but we need some clarity of Mel
Our Clubs a mess. Tbh I don’t have a clue what’s happened it’s madness
The real fall of Derby County started in 1976.
Yes , you are right , the semi final loss against Man Utd at hillsborough was the start
@@normhanson981 Yeah, thats the legend. But, for me, the evening of 15 October 1973 is the date it really began.
The big problem...the revolving door of players and managers..without consistency you go nowhere...
But ..Academy is one of the BEST in the country...Holding onto those young players is KEY to the future.
Abdoul kamara found him in calais on the side of the road in a Vauxhall zafira🎼🎼
Nice lil Shrek music when Rooney is introduced as manager 😂😂
😰😰 gone downhill since Morris took over..
He had the best in mind for the club but he's not made to be owner
HI BEN, DO MORE OF THIS PLEASE!! ✨
There is not one positive supporting Derby County at the minute 😂
Class vid mate
Thanks mate 👊
Wolves fan I do o feel gutted for derby. What their fans have been through. It's a good football club, good fanbase and stadium, just a shame it isn't run well. They don't have alot of money not since they originally got relegated after building pride park. Virtually have no budget ever since they went down. Shame cause it's a club worth buying out if your a rich tycoon. It's all there ready. Just needs more long term investment.
Great review. Good pace, interesting and great use of visuals. Nice one
Just stumbled on this video...And as a Spurs fan we think we've got problems. WOW! Great content!
Mel Morris has ruined my club, things will never be right until he's gone.
What a brilliant video Ben,best knowledge out of any RUclips
instant like when u mentioned the 5-2
edit: unlike when mention 5-0 loss
re-edit: liked again when zamora goal went in
i don’t care if it’s bad, as a forest fan i enjoy this
Top vid Ben. I’m watching this while eating popcorn 🍿🤣
How much money did you spend within the past two seasons? and finished mid table. How hard does it hurt when your a falling giant from 40 years ago
@@beniahrouse7723 Shush.. You had Mount, Wilson and Tomori and still didn't go up
@@Jake__dougie6143 I like how you pay more attention to derby then you do your own team😂 I couldn’t name three of your dog shite.
stars look better above the tree (my opinion )
Yeah me too 👍
Johnny Russell being a standout with Martin...Craig Bryson aswell.
Absolutely brilliant video. Just shows what drama can happen at a good football club such as Derby. The baggies have had their fair share of drama, even this summer, it would be nice to see Ismael given time and see the club try to bring some stability.
Paul Clement.....there's a problem right there.
Lol at Sean Morrison.....he sounded like David Brent.
I remember how Derby fans laughed at Forest when we were in all sorts of trouble with an incompetent egotistical owner, but I still feel bad for them seeing what their incompetent egotistical owner has done to them. Hope they can pull through this.
That's bollox mate even tho your our rivals we would not want to see forest get relegated trust me
@@sarahbirkinshaw7019 I'm a Leeds fan. I'd love to see you do a Bury.
@@Darwinion you're a leeds fan...Nuff said.
Very different but interesting video.Also rate the transition tunes
Have you ever done Burnley Ben? Small town club of the beaten track tucked away in the Pennine hills...but giving the nations best teams competitive games and at times beating them .
Derby slid into the third tier in the 80's and had a heap of problems. Everything is relative ; there's a lot of clubs a lot worse off than this.
And look where we/they ended up within only 7 years of that downfall! It is all relative and contemporary to the time, and that's applicable to so many clubs.
Spot on with this. We were near on bankruptcy before Maxwell stepped in.
shambles of a club, deserve everything that comes there way
“There “ , a shambles , a bit like your spelling lol.
@@normhanson981 Oh norm , is that the best you can do, league 1 beckons ....
@@charlie17401 elementary school beckons for you pal.
Niall Horan is a big Derby fan, maybe he might invest in it in the future.
Loved this type of documentary video. Would love more, great research, bit of banter and really well read and spoken. Fair play ben 👏👏🔥
Appreciate that 🙏🏻
Two reasons why they gone downhill, 1, they made Rooney manager,
2, they kept him on as manager
3, bad backroom staff and recruiting
4, overspending
5, a point's deductions on the way
6, saw bad decisions before Rooney arrived
Constructive criticism: try to mix up the inflection in your voice - in particular at the end of each sentence you go a bit Jeremy Clarkson(!).
...that aside, a nice new type of video.
Appreciate that! I'll make a note of it 👊
Great video, like seeing you trying a new style!
Appreciate that 🙏🏻
They fell apart like rooneys hair transplant
Lexalexus did this is with Leeds you should watch it
Great film. Fans need to be given a chance to own the clubs in this country as too many owners are vampires or mumpets.
Absolute disgrace that this great club and its rich history could disappear.... It nearly happened at Liverpool so I know how Derby fans feel, good luck Derby I hope it turns out well.
Morrison Message was so funny
All this talk about deducting points is so unfair, the players have won or drawn games fairly, so they have achieved their stay in the League, if the FA must punish the club, do by telling Derby County to fund some Junior Football teams in the area, by way of kits, balls and a large van to allow the kids to travel to their away games, so the community benefits, as personally Id like to know where all this £100,000 punishment fine goes.
And opposite of this, the horrific collapse of Forest in 19/20
.. and now we have the Sky Sports Derby love-in! Telling us how wonderful the players are, how 'together' they are and how they refuse to give in!!! Why do people think the club's in this debt I. The first place!??? Good grief!!
This was absolutely brilliant
Appreciate that 🙏🏻
I thought that was Bruce Willis in the thumbnail !!??
What a time to be a derby fan, we have now just realised waghorn, Marriott and wisdom 🤦🏻♂️
McLaren loves a 7 games winning streak doesn’t he
He also loves a dodgy Dutch accent