Shut the fuck up Dallas, you moron. Your aeroponics prototype, moron? You mean the shit that has been around for 30 years, moron? Amazing how a plant will respond to pump timing? Holy shit, shut the fuck up because you're embarrassing yourself, moron.
only it can't even grow wheat good luck driving a harvester over it guess they have to pull crops by hand now? what a joke these people are going to fail because they don't realize how heavy beets are capreform.eu/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Sugar-beet-harvest.jpg you need a huge truck to carry just a few rows
I'm aware it's still in its infancy but would this be the best solution? The crops they grow can easily be grown at home. Even if you live in a flat, you can easily grow a pot of spinach in your porch or just as decoration in your living room :/ I think by the type of food they grow, the solution isn't viable :/ Those type of food doesn't even require a lot of land in its own right. I do agree they need to develop this but they need to build it to suit the following crops: -Wheat -Rice -Potatoes -Cotton -Coffee -Soya -Corn These 7 plants will contribute more than 70% of our arable land used. They're also the one that uses the most pesticides and most of them use a lot of water too. The salad plants they grow at the moment are at low demand and a couple of internet searches will mean you can grow them indoors by yourself :/ But I guess they have to start somewhere :/ Lets see how they go. Growing those 7 crops indoors would be very difficult. (Edit: I'm aware that not anybody can grow salad plants and that you can't rely on a pot of spinach. My main point on that bit was to emphasise the ease of growing those types of plants)
Growing inside won't reduce the need to use pesticide, in fact it's almost impossible to grow inside without the use of pesticide. The only way to reduce water and pesticide use is to change our agriculture practices that have been going on since the agriculture revolution. A better conservation of soils will reduce the need for water and more diversity in the crops in association with indigenous plants will reduce the pressure of disease and insects and the need for pesticide. Just think about it how can growing things in an artificial environnement can be eco-friendly?
Philippe Morin You do make a good point :) I'm pretty neutral about the topic myself since the problems of agriculture today is more of malpractice than efficiency :/ The agriculture we have now is pretty efficient and I don't think we'll ever leave it. I still think a majority of our crops will still be grown in fields. The major problem is that nearly all fields are monocultures so we have to rely on fertiliser and pecticides just for them to survive. Perhaps increasing the biodiversity of farms would reduce the need of fertiliser and pesticides :/
hawk 4 reason I wasn't even advocating that people grow 100% of their vegetables which is totally not viable. What I mentioned was that the crops they grew in these vertical farms (aka Salad plants) can easily grown in a pot. Maybe I didn't send the message clearly :/ As for the pot size, I didn't think I needed to clarify that since you obviously need a medium sized plant for it. And I guess I was over-exaggerating when I said in '1 pot'. As for 'You get a pot a couple of months' bit, salad plants doesn't take that long to grow. Sure from seed to plant, it's probably going to take a month but once it has grown, you can cut a couple of leaves off every 7 days or so. My main point is that as it stands, Vertical farms are pretty useless due to the ease if growing the crops they grow in their at the moment (You can easily grow it at home) and that they're only going to be viable if the staple crops are grown.
Lot's of startups live off investors, and possibly from a higher premium selling their products as 'high tech food'. That doesn't mean the idea is good. Greenhouses are much more energy efficient, can use mist and stack plants.
Football fields? Well, its our unit of comparison and our language. So, why does the entire planet want to be U.S. citizens? The entire world must also be "weird," huh? I wonder how many football fields that would take up?
@@farmerbold1144 Hell nope.... No one wants to live in San Francisco shithole homeless city. Also, we know the truth about the United States. Basically , everything is fake in the United States (fake happiness, fake women (transgender everywhere), fake currency, fake water (fluoride everywhere), fake genius (Elizabeth Holmes from Silicon Valley), fake Corporations (all invested and owned via Darpa and CIA funds from proprietary systems made by the United States), fake music (black magic via waves sound), fake media (fake news made by CNN), fake politics (there's no left and right), fake politicians ( puppets), fake human beings ( greedy, arrogant and Cuckold shit people), fake education (high IQ = Self Learning), fake government ( totalitarian and Marxist government hidden via the mass media programming), fake freedom ( 25 millions people in jail = hidden Slavery) and fake nation (you are owned by the Vatican). In short, we (self aware folks) know the real truth about united state, and we love our country (Germany).... The next war will be the end of the US imperialism... Trust me
Its definitely not cheap with all those fabrications and stuff but it might make up for it's initial cost in the long run. And with all those lights it sure is consuming a lot of energy. Using solar panels can help in the area. Overall pretty expensive than traditional farming but I guess it's more reliable and profiting in the long run
@@dreadfulman5191 best thing is not using soil, depleting it, or pesticides Wich kills soil And super massive building int he middle of the city could supply for all of it
it's not cheaper, more energy is used and the overall workload is increased. it sure will be a lot more affordable in the future as solar power is on the rise and more workload tends to create new jobs. the most important thing however is reducing erosion of farmland and to get rid of pesticides and herbicides
It is definitely not cheap and energy saving. You have the sun for free like WTF. They must sell a 0.50 dollar vegetable for 5 with the label no pesticides no gmos no shit etc. Huge dislike from me.
Exactly what the governments want 👍they poison Mother Earth. Become dependent on the system through food ... expensive. They allready preach Meat is bad that smoking kills.. yett its them growing food on plastick a known carsinogenic. #whachuthinkabouthat aye 🙈
But eating bread wastes more gametime than eating meat especially when you consider _foodSaturationLevel._ Eating anything other than Steak, Cooked Porkchop and Golden Carrots is a waste of your time as you engage in eating animation over and over. Why have a big wheat farm when you have minecraftian carnivorous superiority. Now who is the n0oB? hehe ecksdee, also you can try realism mods where eating same food stops "working" lol.
Not gonna lie, I hadn't thought about it for the longest time and then I was like....well I got a village over there with a bunch of farmer villagers, and my hand built town is here...what if I made a sorta warehouse to grow crops to trade them with the villagers for emeralds. Boom vertical farming discovered by accident.
How much does this consume electricity? If the amount of MWatts consumed are less than the energy required to run machines on the field + transport them, it’s obviously the future farming method.
@@Wohodix i believe i heard in a different video a few years back that the energy consumption is the only real reason why indoor/vertical farming isn't used literally everywhere. I agree that even if the energy is more costly than that of normal farming we should still do vertical farming b/c of the saved water and land, but sadly most farmers and people in general, don't care about those problems and only about their personal wealth. Governments around the world (especially in the US) should put tax breaks and subsidies on vertical farming companies, like how there are for Electric cars.
Sun is overrated... Seriously, though, that shit has got to be unhealthy to eat. I won't be touching it. Rule of thumb: the less human intervention with our food the healthier it is
I love how a good chunk of comments are about us playing god, we aren’t playing god 😂 this isn’t creating, its harboring. We take already existing life and cater to it. If we were playing god we could just say fuck it and spawn food from thin air. Open your brain to new ideas, it’s how we got this far. It’s how you all can share your close minded opinion on the internet like this.
I am perfectly open to new ideas..but what is the problem with organic farming in soil and nature.. Instead of taking everything in ur own hands ,struggling in an artificial environment!
Do u know what it takes to do this..just have a read below NATURE/GOD- just add seed,water and cattle droppings..rest happens like magic!!.. HUMANS- 1.add macronutrients likenitrogen,potassium,calcium,magnesium,oxygen,sulphur etc... 2.add micronutients like zinc, nickel, boron, copper, iron, manganese, molybdenum, boron, and chlorine. 3.add water,seed,organic substance Mimicing soil 4.maintain and adjust proper pH 5.hand Pollinate each flower with your own hands and use vibrators to mimic bee activity 6. build high power led lamps and light all the crops 7.maintain and adjust temperature of the area 8.measure and adjust electrical conductivity 9. buy numerous equipments ,raw materials ,tubes,furniture etc..for setting up the hydrophonics farm 10.regulate humidity, air quality etc..in the indoor farm And many many more
Open dialog is the only way to come to a reasonable conclusion if you run every time someones opposes your ideas you will never advance and find the truth. I didnt see anyone in the comments being rude or hateful its just an open debate. If that scares you I have lost more faith in humanity.
There is some good discussion here, but RUclips comments really aren't the place for it. Just look through the comments and find a guy called MetusBatmanV14, they're refusing to listen and simply throwing harassment. When it comes to people like that, it's better to simply have a discussion with someone else than to try and educate the willingly ignorant.
theoretically, if you use 95% less water, zero soil requirements, all stacked up, all you need is space, electricity, and capital. I say we put them in old blockbusters.
Brilliant my friend brilliant. Here in canada they are in old candy factories, old food processing plants, old mines, a thriving local gymnasium as big as 4 football fields was closed down because landlord got 10 tije the rent from grow op.
This might work in a year or 10, perhaps even 6/7 assuming there is a fat discount on the structure to be able to break even/turn a small profit. Right now, after many years of effort (Talking 30+) the closest to financially feasible is a 1% loss. The university leading the charge on research and efficiency improvements in this field does believe in knowledge sharing though so at least that's nice. Once they know how to run a 2-3% profit, the rest of the world will have access to that knowledge. Don't mind Quinton, he's extra negative about this for some reason, maybe a vertical farm killed his hamster.
This would be a perfect new industry for Detroit. They have tons of empty warehouses, a population willing to learn to have steady work and a throving city again. I read about this awhile back, and it still is amazing.
They aren't even productive enough to get basic jobs or provide for a family. I doubt that they would be able to uphold something as advanced or as time-consuming as this
This is amazing! They also have farms popping up in warehouses with soil and the products are certified organic…. Healthy…. And less prone to bugs and molds as conventional farming…. They also don’t get ravaged by weather as the growing environment is controlled… its amazing!!
My TwoCents..everything has pros and cons..everything...we do it anyway on a small scale.on a big scale..but food production is very important..so we will have to live with a few cons..or u might have a better idea than these ppl plz share it.😊
Yeah, expect someone else to feed you with what to think is good or bad. Anyone can spin anything as a "pro" or "con". Get the raw numbers. Make your own evaluation.
I'm thinking that maybe one of the cons may be the jobs that people will lose because of this new method. Unless those directly employed to agriculture could build these vertical farms, which I'm guessing takes a lot of money considering all the specialized materials, they will most likely begin losing money as people realized the better environmental impact. But again, these crops might also be sold at a higher price due to the farmers spending so much to create it. It's all about money, and until this new method begins becoming more mainstream and affordable, it probably won't be pushed for a while. That's just my two cents, so take it with a grain of salt. I do think this is a very good idea, but it has to be supported before any large leaps and bounds can take place.
Its a big original investment to open one of these, and the profit simply is so tiny it would never pay for itself. Remember, global food production is privatized, so businessmen in the industry would much rather buy a cheap plot of land and grow crops on it for a significantly higher profit. Technological progress does not always mean immediate implementation or implementation at all. Farms are businesses, and a business' sole purpose is profit.
With the fact that they mentioned LED Lighting and reduced spectrum multiple times, one would think you would've figured out by now that the energy bill won't be that high. That said, it may be higher than they can support with only Solar on the roof of that building.
Critic224 I'm sorry to tell you BUT these vertical futuristic Farms will ((NEVER)) be built across the world......They're amazing.........BUT farming will only get worse. The honey bee die-off why only get worse. The fish in the sea dying will only get worse. The Chemtrails, the pollution will only get worse.
While a good idea, there is one factual comment that is bothering me. They said they were able to reduce their energy consumption by not using yellow light (and presumably only using a blue-red combination) because plants don't need yellow light. This remains to be seen. While it is true that structural components and sugar creation is independent of lights other than blue and red, we aren't quite sure of the effect of the rest of the spectrum on secondary metabolite generation. So, what they're doing is building plants that look healthy and fully formed but are potentially lacking a great deal of chemical diversity.
@GamingTV Not necessarily. The yellow light may be responsible for the absorption of trace elements, which might not be essential for plant growth, but may make a difference to the health of the person consuming the plants. E.g. it is said that increased Selenium in food can help prevent cancer. If yellow light is responsible for the addition of Selenium to the plant, by denying the plant yellow light, you are producing a plant that will help deal with your hunger but lack in disease prevention properties.
We know exactly the wavelengths of all the light that a plant needs to grow. It's no secret. Scientists have already figured out all the molecules that absorb lights in a plant (which is mostly just chlorophyll and carotenoids), we are not doing stone age experiments here. The plant can create all the components it needs from the energy absorbed by those pigments. There's no secret process that has not yet been discovered in terms of plant growth and metabolism. The only concern here is cost. If it is more economical than traditional farming, this would be a great way to grow food.
@@Bramon83 maybe beef shouldn't be mass produced because you have to kill millions of animals in a short but painful way, and it's the biggest producer of CO² in our atmosphere
Vertical farming is THE way to go, growing food inside city limits to cut down on how far crops travel, ultimately making food sources more readily available to urban development. While using less, land, water and pesticides?! How could it get any better than that? Bravo Aero, and all the other companies around the world striking out to be pioneers in this new and better way to farm.
Vertical Farming is far more energy intensive than normal farming, meaning it leads directly to increased carbon emissions. It is also not profitable at all. No one has ever made money on growing vegetables indoors.
joe botsch You can't power all of those lights running 24/7 with solar panels. Think about it for a second; If that much light energy hit the roof of that plant why would you use a solar panel to convert 18% of that light into electricity and then use a UV light bulb to convert that 18% of electrical energy into light at yet again at 18% efficiency? Also, all of the nutrients are coming from external sources. Where do you think all of those nutrients are coming from?
Yes, but currently, this is only viable for leafy greens, unfortunately. So all the wheat, potatoes, soja, corn, fruits and roots that we eat are cost prohibitive to grow indoor, meaning it wont happen unless the price of all the food increase tenfolds at least.
***** Okay, I'll shut my mouth when it happens. Until then I'm pretty sure using ACTUAL sunlight is more efficient than electric powered sunlight, that which comes from fossil fuels rather than renewable sources. Also, current aeroponic methods for growing high calorie staple crops, like corn and potatoes are sorely behind in meeting current demands. I'm more of an advocate for reducing the 75% of farmland specifically for feeding livestock, not to mention ungodly amounts of water.
I was just recently telling my friends farms will be in high rise buildings in cities with solar panels covering the outside of the buildings. Thank you for proving me right.
@@kikib48grid You could grow corn too, this is only the first set up. And it's in an old building ( think it was) eventually whole buildings will be designed around the process.
@@coltmagnus6572 I think the whole idea is interesting, but with all the people who freak out over anything that's not 'natural'...do you think people will accept this? I can hear the negative fear-style news coverage now. Thoughts?
@@kikib48grid If they aren't GMO then it shouldn't be an issue. Nutrients and artificial light coupled with watering systems isn't any different except the ability to maximize growth through time spent under lights. Recycled water and solar power to run the buildings. I don't see a problem.
@@coltmagnus6572 Yes, but considering the crazy bad press gmo got? How about 'pink slime' scare which destroyed a major meatpacking business, which sued and must have had a hella case because it ended up settled out of court. ( Lots of money came to the former owners who shared it with all their former employees. Great people.) Sorry about going off on that tangent 🤗but it just goes to show! Anyway, I'm thinking people might be gun shy, like 'What are you using to feed the plants? How do we know THAT'S safe?' And the bigger the operation gets, the more calls for regulations and oversight there will be. All you need is a worried rational-sounding guest on Oprah or the news, for example, for opinions to shift fast. To be clear, I don't have a problem with hydroponics, or farms inside buildings or any of it, as long as its well done, clean etc, I'll eat it. But I hope it grows slowly so everyone gets a chance to adjust. Nice talking to ya!
In response to the electricity question, I have an Aerogarden that has about 1/2 square foot of LEDs that combined draw about 30 watts when on. Add the pump to aerate the roots, which is about 5 watts, for a total of 35 watts. Do the math with 1 football field of LEDs (or less efficient fluorescent bulbs), which is 57,600 square feet, and it should be consuming approximately 3 to 4 Mega Watts of power depending on how often pumps are running. They could offset this consumption with renewable energy, which was not discussed in the video.
This video would be a lot better if they explained the economics of this business and not just the possible environmental impacts. I like the idea, but after watching the video I still have no idea if it's economically feasible or when it might be.
It's 100% economically feasible. Sure, the intial cost will be pretty big, but the energy and water cost is much less than that of a regular farm, and with round the clock yealds they can be selling these plants within several months, eventually gaining back what they intially spent within several years. ( or less )
Half_Centaur No, but it's basic economics... Why would this not make sense? They use LED lights (much less efficient than traditional lighting), they use much less water by misting, no fertilizer, lower growing times, growing times 12 months a year, controlled environments (meaning no pests/diseases), etc. A regular farm also has to buy fuel and energy to power machinery for plowing/sewing seeds, which this doesn't require.
+Gabe Newell Regardless of whether it is economically profitable right now, which you don't seem to know except from what you saw in this video and what seems like a guess, my point is that the video should've discussed the business side of it more. That is, after all, what will determine whether this catches on.
like Uber will weed out Taxi companies, vertical farms will kill conventional farms and hungering be a thing of the past. yes, a few people will suffer as a result but for he benefit of the greater good.
at what cost? fucking the environment. that doesn't sound to bright does it. anything worth doing generally costs more. its like buying a decent pair of shoes. is ya cup half full or half empty remliqa?
Vertical farming isn't exactly greener.What this video neglect to mention is that vertical farming requires intensive amount of energy( which still uses fossil fuel at the moment) and resources to start up. The most important thing is there is still no pressing need to switch to vertical farming right now, even from an environmental stand point and from a cost perspective.In the future, maybe.
Not everything can be produce in vertical farms also for now it's way more expensive and it's not proven to be efficient. Maybe in a couple years a lot of lettuce production could be made that way, but we're far from there with other crops. For now the only thing that can be grow this way and make profit out of it is weed.
It will not help. We're finding now that much of the nutrition we get from vegetables comes from the complex relationship between the organism and the soil-based organisms. It is essential for the health of your gut to have foods that are grown in healthy diverse soils. This is foundation for all complex life. Taking soil out of the equation will be one of the final follies of mankind.
Nick, not true. Those living organisms can actually be 'made' and added to the water, its called Aquaponics. A lot of vertical setups include that within its setup.
It isn't all that much in the grand scheme of things and the main thing here is that its not using as much land as traditional field farming. Vertical farming is the future and is far better for the environment, just because it isn't absolutely perfect doesn't mean it isn't a good solution.
@@MahiMahi-oiasdf that's actually not 100% correct. A solar panel needs about 10 years to be more co2 effective than an normal power station. When you expect a solar panel must be renewed in about 20-25 years it's about twice effective than a power plant.
Edward Jr In a normal house and normal lights maybe. With these estimates on normal small LED lights, it’s about $12 a year per each. Those lights they’re using are very specialized (even changes the type of rays) so I wouldn’t be surprised if it were 10 times that per each. www.cnet.com/news/are-efficient-led-bulbs-worth-the-price/
@@Urban_Piggy channel sunlight into optical fibers using mirrors and then use those with prisms to distribute it in the building. It's still closed, you don't need lamps and don't need also to convert energy from light to electric and vice-versa. ...plus you've a natural day/light cycle.
@@jacklo2227 why tf would you do that? All you need to do is have a small bio dome and have climate control for that one building. The ISS is already growing crops in space.
@@lil_bunz1720 we dont have technology to protect plants fully from radiation in space so for bigger amounts of plants you will have a lot of random mutations, most of time bad ones
Plants can use up to about 8% of sunlight. Solar panels can use up to about 25% (let's not consider more effective but highly costly solar cells). So for those plants under a roof covered with solar cells we can provide about 2% (1/4 of 8%) of captured sunlight energy. Or even less than that because some of the energy we will lose as heat due to electric current resistance.
Jessica Bayol Duh...why does EVERY potentially world-saving invention fail because of big corporations? Just like permanent magnet engines. Imagine how much cleaner our air would be if we had them.
They use led's, and as they said in the video, they save even further electricity by not using yellow spectrum light, only red and blue. Regular farms might not use electricity to grow their fields, but they use tons upon tons of diesel fuel to sow, harvest and prepare their fields. With vertical farm, the energy at least has the potential to come from renewable sources.
Yes, but the technology for vertical farms exist *now*. It will be decades before we have batteries powerful enough to drive a tractor for any reasonable amount of times
I wonder if there was a way to use glass ceilings and mirrors to reflect light onto the many levels of crops instead of using electric lighting... Just a thought.
The heat might be a problem, but with proper ventilation I'm sure it could at least cut the cost of operations. But it would require banks of reflectors and precise angle alignment constantly maintained to adequately light every level, not to mention the cleaning and precautions involved, so the savings might not be worth the trouble. But, send them the idea, anyway, it might be worth more than a thank you.
@@zokay1121 The create very little heat and are efficient and can be tailored to produce the spectrum of light required by the plants. The humidity level with all those sprays may become a maintenance issue.
probably far less if its so climate controlled. id imagine the only problems might be from people (who likely have lots of regulations to follow), or perhaps a lack of previously unknown bacteria or other organisms that helped the plants in a more uncontrolled area. but i dont think its that likely
Sounds almost too good to be true!! My hope is that such farms will also be build in over-populated countries, and places where fresh water is scarce. That would be the best thing of all!
IT USES way LESS water and no fertilizer, and most likely fewer pesticides because it is indoors.This is probably almost as cheap or maybe even cheaper than a large outside farm
It uses lots and lots of fertilizer, that's what is in the mist that they spray on the roots, that is how the plants grow. This is a waste of energy and grows crops that have close to zero calories which can't feed anyone.
Tidbit do you know what fertilizer is? Is the soil that crops grow in, not some liquid they spray on it. They said it grows on sheets of recycled materials=no fertilizer. Besides, just because its plants doesnt mean it feeds almost no one. Sure it may not fill u up but if it was feeding nobody then why would they be making money selling to local businessss
just larger farms/less vertical rows. Although I am not so well informed about these farms, so I am just trying to apply logic. But of course for this kind of crops it might be better to do it outside. I am sure that the people working on this will know what's best to do and ofcourse these lettuce/smaller crops would otherwise need to take more place that can now be used for larger crops
A crop that requires bees for pollination seems to be a real challenge with all those fans around. The parts of the plant we don't use are normally turned into fertilizer by the bacteria in the soil to support the next cycle. So growing lettuce indoors is still sitting at a very great distance from being able to grow (most of) all plants for nutrition. We have a long way to go still.
the vast majority of the energy used by standard led lights is used to create in spectrums we can see. these special farming LEDs only create infrared and ultraviolet which means they're incredibly efficient.
Haha well thats just plain wrong. UV and IR LED's run hotter and consume more watts. You will also pay more to ventilate one of these systems. On the bright side LED's do run cooler than HPS, metal halide, and ceramics but they also, sadly, produce lower yields.
SpoounPC For horticulture, at a distance of 50cm, to reach comparable light levels, the wattage of Phillips GreenPower LEDs run between 1/3 - 1/4 of what fluorescent EL or EM does. Its pretty good kit. I have a setup of my own as a test.
Aidan Bradley I have a gavita pro 1000 and some MARS hydro LEDs (900w equivalent, 430w actual). I tested the micromole output on both of them and the drop off for the gavita begins way before the temperature it outputs is safe for plants. The LEDs have a lower output but I can grow plants as close as 25cm safely.
SpoounPC That's pretty neat. I find this stuff amazing. I'm not familiar with those units. I'm about to close on some land to scale one of these solutions up. Its exciting :D
92kosta Think about it. Solar energy, nuclear energy, other forms of reusable energy can help this to become even better. Why is the spectrum of your mind so small?
first off, its LED, second, getting that power from solar or wind would be problem. You dont have to burn coal and oil to get electricity. If you are into this kind of stuff, chances are you are into renewable energy too.
Such a wonderful idea, it is really a gateway to a better farming and better distribution system to provide the produce locally "hopefully at the minimum cost for the consumers as well"!
Please don't tell us that this is new. Modern vertical farming started in the 1960s! And even with LED, the electric bill is nice. A comparable company in the Midwest uses 7000 Philips LED top lighting with 190W each in one (1!) vertical greenhouse. That's 1.33MW, just 1,330,000W! In my area, the bill for this 31.92MWh would be about $1,000,000 a year. That is some serious money! And telling us that they save up to 95% water... Well, almost any modern greenhouse does, compared to artificial irrigation somewhere in California. I really like the idea and products but only telling the positive aspects and not showing hard facts and why the concepts wouldn't work in poor countries where food shortages really matter pisses me off. The title should be: "The Farm of the Future for those who can afford it!"
So we need more efficient electrical generation. Now where can we get something like that... Oh yeah! We've had the basic principle since the 40's. Nuclear power, of course.
MrVideye Well, Solar panels could do the trick because they could be used during the entire day. These innovations are pretty cool, but they are still very expensive. Just remember what cellphones were like back then as to where they are now
What's that growing MrVideye? & what type & colour led's? I grow in a 2x1 foot space with a single 26w fluorescent growlight & it's AMPLE light for lettuce! a 5w led desk light will give me a 1foot radius, that's basic white, not reds/plant lighting, I would assume I could easily light the same with a 2w red +.5w blue, maybe even lower
Things they fail to mention: massive amount of electricity used to maintain optimum environment plus massive investment that need to be made in buildings that are needed for closed farming such as these.
Electricity is cheap per kWh in the US, makes these vertical farming set ups very much viable if they have the market. Why does it matter that they don't mention it? It's not a bunch of chumps with no concept of P&L. It's simple to pit the cost per m2 against the production and value per m2, that's a basic prerequisite before even starting an operation like this. Now, talking about WHERE the electricity comes from is a fair point. As for the constant lighting, if anybody is running lights 24/7 it is safe to say they do not have a clue what they are doing. Depending on the crop, optimal day/night lengths have been researched many a time to generate the most annual success. Again, it is a trade off from extracting the most from the plant while being mindful of your costs.
They do have machine learning in more detail videos they show the central computer moving racks to different positions and changing temperatures to balance chemicals in the plant that it has a goal of balancing and it changes its future strategies based on empirical measurements taken by sensors.
Viscon is an automation company, and they have done the robotics for at least one such farm. But, you forgot about the fish tank to recirculate the water through, then an added branch to turn some of the crops into fish food and you would have a truly self sustaining system. Sorry, but it's been done. No patents are available, damn the luck.
"We listen to the plants carefully and try to see what they're telling us..." Man his voice sounds so stoned, I wouldn't be surprised if he was growing weed LOL
Aero/Fogponics needs to be paired with aquaponics (using live fish to produce fertilizer for plants) if we are serious about self sustaining agricultural growth, vertical farm solver are a great giant step in the right direction and I believe this is the technology we will see feeding future generations not only here on earth, but beyond the atmosphere in space stations, lunar colonies and even Mars. The advent of LED grow lights was such a game changer in terms of resource consumption to produce food and now paired with Aero/Fogponics this IS the future.
I completely agree. That's actually what business I plan on going into. Vertical Aquaeroponics. I plan on building a dedicated facility on my property near our pond (which I plan to use as a geothermal heatsink as well).
Support rainforest biodiversity by not using products with palm oil and not buying wood products grown in the rainforest. If humans just leave it alone, we'll be good.
95% less water they say... but a whole lot of electricity. Sunshine is free. If it was combined with solar power it could make more sense but that would cost a considerable amount to set up.
every time someone comes up with a new farming concept, all they ever grow is lettuce. and they even said "highly nutritious". how are people gonna live off lettuce?
@@kikib48grid You both must be unfamiliar with micro-greens. Bee hives have already been built on rooftops and proven to be manageable in small lots. Any tree that grows outside can be grown inside, no different than a plant. The space/light/water/nutrition requirements would be significantly increased however.
@@jeremyowen1 sure but would it be cost effective compared to orchard farming?🤔 And of course theres always other problems, like people who freak out over gmo. This is all interesting, dont get me wrong,😊 but I'm not sure people with a 'back to nature' pov will accept it. I think they'll just see it as one more reason to freak out.🤗 Thoughts?
@@kikib48grid Orchard farming is definitely more efficient right now. There's always going to be people complaining about how it's "not natural" but the reality of it is the options are pretty limited. The problem needs to be addressed somehow. Whether that's with learning how to control pesticide runoff in ground water and the constant erosion of the small bit of available farm-land we have left or by mutant GMO crops grown inside under "unnatural conditions" it doesn't really matter to me. I think if you consider our plans for space travel and the needs we'll have for food, it would make more sense for us as a whole to pursue advancing Solar/Battery/LED industries.
@@jeremyowen1 'mutant gmo' 🤣 thanks for the chuckle! You're right about the pesticide run-off problems. I wish we didn't have quite so many feed-lots without pastures, too. But farmers have to make money, just like anyone and they don't Unionize. (I'm a midwesterner, raised on a farm, can you tell?) I think food raised in old buildings solves some problems, if only from a freshness, transportation, fuel use pov. However, like you, I would like to see tech set free to solve other problems. I saw a BASF commercial once that talked about solar power generated from windows. Sadly, when I researched it, I found nothing on the subject.
+Ant1Link Normal farm requirements: some ground. Vertical farm requirements: building, structure, lighting, ventilation, less ground, power etc... Ok if land value is through the roof, vertical farming might be cheaper to set up. But it usually isn't, since farms are not in cities, so the set up cost for a normal farm is lower.
I think this model relies on one big assumption. That people are at least a significant portion of people are willing to pay a premium for fresh vegetables out of season. Like for example if you buy a strawberry in May or June, it will likely to taste much better than the one you bought in December.; This because such a December strawberry was picked green in the Southern Hemisphere so it could survive the transport. Then it was gassed with a maturing agent when it got close to its final retailer. The end result is a strawberry that tastes as bland as one picked 2 weeks too early, but looks mature. Meanwhile the June strawberry was picked just a few days ago in field may just a few hours drive away.This a VERY common tactic across the entire food production industry. Considering how expensive out of season food is to buy (often like 3 to 7 times that of in season food), you could actually make a profit doing this. But my guess is that the margins are still pretty thin, even on seasonal foods. You certainly are not going to grow any wheat or rice this way.
TC Coltharp Well for people in cities this will not be a problem because, well, they often have alot more money. Although in this video they present it as if it will be wide spread as a superior option to the current way of producing greens. I think the biggest problem will be light (energy). Maybe in the soon future we will have more disposable energy but if we don't invest more in battery technology and/or nuclear power this idea won't go far. Just imagine moving the plants into a building with lights. Those lights are slightly more efficient than sunlight to supply the plants. But if the energy comes from something like solar (the "green" alternative) we would have to replace the fields with 50% effective solar panels (which is a pretty new technology) to just supply the plants that they have replaced. This is why I'm for nuclear. I'm not against the idea. I just think it sounds a little bit like solar roadways and dell's aircarbon (except those are just bullshit). I really do hope tho that vertical farming could be the best option in the soon future.
I hate gardening, a childhood spent using a rake and hoe did that. I do like fresh veggies, though, so I have considered doing something like this in my home. The added bonus of having a year round supply is appealing to me. Hydroponics works great for weed, so why not grow greens and beans and tomatoes? The bee hive is going to be the real problem!
So while this can definitely supply the demand for leafy vegetables, the big staples that make up 60% of the food grown (wheat, rice, corn) might still have to be grown conventionally. Well, maybe wheat and rice can be grown vertically, but no way you fitting a 6 foot corn plant in there. Amazing innovation nontheless.
Not to mention all the subsidies big farm gets. No way this could EVER compete with that type of inequality in the marketplace. So sadly I think this is the first and last time this will be news. I hope not.
C Mendoza It can still be very useful in dense urban areas and for reinhabiting abandoned industrial centers. Personally, I feel all agriculture should be subsidized considering all the work that goes into producing the food we eat.
no, it won't, every time you convert one form of energy to another, part of it is lost, solar is only like 20% efficient, now you convert that to electricity, light and heat, and then the plant coverts that again to grow. It makes zero sense. Also to run facilty like this you would probably need couple of football fields worth of solar panels. You might as well plant in soil then.
That's what I'm saying... All this farms show lettuce or other leafy greens, yet they pitch this as the farm of the future... they plan to meet the caloric needs of people by feeding them leafy greens??? This would be revolutionary if they could grow rice or potatoes not lettuce or kale.. lol...
And thats why this works. It solves world problems and is profitable for companies. other ideas just work well in theory but are shit for profit in practice.
Wtf. what kind of next level ignorance is this. it isnt perfect because quantum mechanics exists, it isnt perfect because we die, it isnt perfect because it was all an accidental and random arrangement of particles, it isnt perfect because noyhing made it. But again, not sure if joke or just stupid youtube comment...
Vertical farming is definitely a good idea, but let's integrate renewable sources of energy into it. I think an array of solar panels installed atop such vertical elements of vegetables is the next step! And overtime, we can also desalinate water to be used for the vegetable growing process!
Just throwing panels on the roof wouldn’t be enough energy. You would need 5 acres of panels to support 1 acre of indoor growth because panels are approximately 20% efficient. If this is a vertical farm that number doubles for each vertical rack of food crop.
A great innovation would be outdoor aeroponics. The issue is irrigation and the structure of the vertical greenhousing. I agree that we need to rely on nature for to supply our needs to reduce environmental impact.
Pardon me but I believe I will stand for the use of solar panels as an alternative to the power companies. There are a number of states like NJ that the cost of residential solar panels are free provided you use their product; my friend has no electric bill but gets a rebate. Plus, the cost of panels are coming down and are better than the original. 15-20 years is outlandish to paying back the cost but you neglected the yield of crops grown and the revenue it produces. Remember this type of growing greens yields produce every day to be sold to nearby restaurants or customers.
In New Jersey? Where it rains and is cloudy so much? Would still need a back up system for light and then the food would be unavoidable to pay for solar stuff.
Actually, all the farmers I know think indoor tech farming is neat, and all the ag chemical and machinery suppliers think it's a cool new market. I think indoor farming will become a vital production method for certain types of crops. It won't compete with or even replace any field crops, because you can't build a high tech factory that can produce more food at lower prices than the highly specialized field methods already do.
Believe it or not, plants absorb 99% of their light in only 6% of the visible light spectrum. A modern solar panel is about 18% efficient. This means that if you take the energy of the sun, give it back to these plants at strictly the 6% of wavelengths they absorb, you can actually produce 3 times the plant light through LEDs. (18% of all spectrum light becomes electricity, churn that out as 6% light spectrum 18/6=3X the light usable for photosynthesis.)
S - coefficient of Skepticism he's not wrong though. Maybe if governments started subsidizing electricity to these farmers like they do water for normal farms there would more of them.
So we are going to make all of this progress in sustainable energy just to piss it away making artificial light for plants? The fact is, non-vertical farmers can do way more for way less energy, labor, and cost. Don't forget that instead of nutrients that normal farmers rotate crops in order to keep in balance, you need to constantly feed these farms with concentrated nutrients that don't exactly come from thin air.
3:01 Food production problems? Our problem is not production. It is wasting the already produced food. Please do not waste food, people die starving out there!
Someone stated that I should tell that to people in Africa... implying that people here in the U.S. aren't dying of starvation as well. I can't afford to go to Africa. Guess why. I'll give you a hint. It has something (not everything, just something) to do with the topic at hand.
Well...is it nutritious when it grows up only on water and oxygen meaning it doesnt get enough minerals and is given artificial environment ...plus they use reused plastic wich is actually more toxic than normal plastic.... They are more likely to be nonnutritious green blobs.
Summer Barnes we are loosing essential nutrients in the name of profit disguised as green and innovative, I will definitely not buy into it we are already lacking in so many vitamins and minerals that I myself will start growing some vegetables and fruits and give away as much as possible 😃🌱
Truth Soldier Yeah, sure. Take the pill shaped things into your body. That’ll solve everything. It’s not an extra cost and it definitely can’t be jacked up in price without warning...
Interesting, but.....when the guy said the plants are grown on reusable plastic,....well, plastic, maybe I'm getting all ruffled over nothing but, why plastic, couldn't they use some type of natural hemp fiber?
It needs to die. It's a terrible idea and gives nutrient deficient produce and despite what they say is terrible for the environment other than saving water which give me a break. That's ridiculous lets work instead of better water purification methods instead. And many places in the world where most of the farming for the world is already done water isn't a issue like canada and new zealand.
Net pots have to be water resistant , if hemp fibres are used as pots (no don't go there) they have the ability to absorb water and bacteria which cannot be efficiently removed and sterilised compared to conventional plastic net pots
Hemp fibres have the ability to absorb water and bacteria which cannot efficiently removed and sterilised? Isn't there "good" and "bad" bacteria, from what little I've read up on soil and how its built up over the years, soil isn't just "dirt", its made up of living things, bacteria,fungi and a myriad of insects so small that only with the aid of a microscope can they be seen. If the natural balance of the soil, the whole life cycle is respected there is no need to fear bad bacteria.
Not as renewable as it seems when you think about all of the energy and resources that go into mining the minerals for the panels, and the energy that is required to construct the panels as well.
Awesome. @1:28 "cuts the growing cycle in half." It makes sense, especially when have to replenish elemental losses in the soil to makeup for overall imbalance.
![Digital Circus Episode 4 [TRAILER]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/abZtsmMUbJo/mqdefault.jpg)
This is nothing new, weed farmers have been doing this shit for years.
*Columbia* University was an early champion of this technology. coincidence? I think not!
it's new that ppl have financial backing for this to make it work on such a large scale
Shut the fuck up Dallas, you moron. Your aeroponics prototype, moron? You mean the shit that has been around for 30 years, moron? Amazing how a plant will respond to pump timing? Holy shit, shut the fuck up because you're embarrassing yourself, moron.
+The Super Vanquish A lot
no not really
Its basically like a automatic wheat farm in mincraft
LUAN EXACTLY
Minus the enslaved villagers, of course
only it can't even grow wheat
good luck driving a harvester over it
guess they have to pull crops by hand now? what a joke
these people are going to fail because they don't realize how heavy beets are
capreform.eu/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Sugar-beet-harvest.jpg
you need a huge truck to carry just a few rows
@@phillipporter6427 sadly
ryan florian yep, your right, this entire company is going to go bankrupt just because they miscalculated the weight of a beet. 😂
I'm aware it's still in its infancy but would this be the best solution?
The crops they grow can easily be grown at home. Even if you live in a flat, you can easily grow a pot of spinach in your porch or just as decoration in your living room :/
I think by the type of food they grow, the solution isn't viable :/ Those type of food doesn't even require a lot of land in its own right.
I do agree they need to develop this but they need to build it to suit the following crops:
-Wheat
-Rice
-Potatoes
-Cotton
-Coffee
-Soya
-Corn
These 7 plants will contribute more than 70% of our arable land used. They're also the one that uses the most pesticides and most of them use a lot of water too.
The salad plants they grow at the moment are at low demand and a couple of internet searches will mean you can grow them indoors by yourself :/
But I guess they have to start somewhere :/ Lets see how they go. Growing those 7 crops indoors would be very difficult.
(Edit: I'm aware that not anybody can grow salad plants and that you can't rely on a pot of spinach. My main point on that bit was to emphasise the ease of growing those types of plants)
Growing inside won't reduce the need to use pesticide, in fact it's almost impossible to grow inside without the use of pesticide. The only way to reduce water and pesticide use is to change our agriculture practices that have been going on since the agriculture revolution. A better conservation of soils will reduce the need for water and more diversity in the crops in association with indigenous plants will reduce the pressure of disease and insects and the need for pesticide. Just think about it how can growing things in an artificial environnement can be eco-friendly?
Philippe Morin You do make a good point :) I'm pretty neutral about the topic myself since the problems of agriculture today is more of malpractice than efficiency :/
The agriculture we have now is pretty efficient and I don't think we'll ever leave it. I still think a majority of our crops will still be grown in fields. The major problem is that nearly all fields are monocultures so we have to rely on fertiliser and pecticides just for them to survive. Perhaps increasing the biodiversity of farms would reduce the need of fertiliser and pesticides :/
hawk 4 reason I wasn't even advocating that people grow 100% of their vegetables which is totally not viable.
What I mentioned was that the crops they grew in these vertical farms (aka Salad plants) can easily grown in a pot. Maybe I didn't send the message clearly :/
As for the pot size, I didn't think I needed to clarify that since you obviously need a medium sized plant for it. And I guess I was over-exaggerating when I said in '1 pot'.
As for 'You get a pot a couple of months' bit, salad plants doesn't take that long to grow. Sure from seed to plant, it's probably going to take a month but once it has grown, you can cut a couple of leaves off every 7 days or so.
My main point is that as it stands, Vertical farms are pretty useless due to the ease if growing the crops they grow in their at the moment (You can easily grow it at home) and that they're only going to be viable if the staple crops are grown.
Lot's of startups live off investors, and possibly from a higher premium selling their products as 'high tech food'. That doesn't mean the idea is good. Greenhouses are much more energy efficient, can use mist and stack plants.
uhh well some of us live in deserts so to us this idea sounds amazing.
I can’t stop thinking of growing food in all the abandoned malls around the US. I also love the idea of doing this in schools.
StressLess Camping Now these are really good ideas!
Let's work together then !
Dream on. That will come on line about the same time as cheap, cool, fusion energy.
Plenty plans to build a giant vertical farm near every major city
ruclips.net/video/v6vp3iaGFTU/видео.html
The US are so weird.. Always comparing things with football fields..
SnowmansApartment that is all they know. :/
Football fields? Well, its our unit of comparison and our language. So, why does the entire planet want to be U.S. citizens? The entire world must also be "weird," huh? I wonder how many football fields that would take up?
Europe best
@@farmerbold1144 oh hell nah I don't want to be U. S citizen
@@farmerbold1144 Hell nope.... No one wants to live in San Francisco shithole homeless city. Also, we know the truth about the United States. Basically , everything is fake in the United States (fake happiness, fake women (transgender everywhere), fake currency, fake water (fluoride everywhere), fake genius (Elizabeth Holmes from Silicon Valley), fake Corporations (all invested and owned via Darpa and CIA funds from proprietary systems made by the United States), fake music (black magic via waves sound), fake media (fake news made by CNN), fake politics (there's no left and right), fake politicians ( puppets), fake human beings ( greedy, arrogant and Cuckold shit people), fake education (high IQ = Self Learning), fake government ( totalitarian and Marxist government hidden via the mass media programming), fake freedom ( 25 millions people in jail = hidden Slavery) and fake nation (you are owned by the Vatican). In short, we (self aware folks) know the real truth about united state, and we love our country (Germany).... The next war will be the end of the US imperialism... Trust me
Me: Coming to the comments for genuine advice & opinions about vertical farming
Everyone else: MINEECRAFFFTTTT
😂
Welcome to the internet
People are acting like kids on internet
Internet the best source of knowledge
@@darknessfrnd7993 Right
They have not explained important points like is it cheaper, energy consumption etc.
Its definitely not cheap with all those fabrications and stuff but it might make up for it's initial cost in the long run. And with all those lights it sure is consuming a lot of energy. Using solar panels can help in the area.
Overall pretty expensive than traditional farming but I guess it's more reliable and profiting in the long run
@@dreadfulman5191 best thing is not using soil, depleting it, or pesticides Wich kills soil
And super massive building int he middle of the city could supply for all of it
it's not cheaper, more energy is used and the overall workload is increased. it sure will be a lot more affordable in the future as solar power is on the rise and more workload tends to create new jobs. the most important thing however is reducing erosion of farmland and to get rid of pesticides and herbicides
It is definitely not cheap and energy saving. You have the sun for free like WTF. They must sell a 0.50 dollar vegetable for 5 with the label no pesticides no gmos no shit etc. Huge dislike from me.
Exactly what the governments want 👍they poison Mother Earth.
Become dependent on the system through food ... expensive. They allready preach Meat is bad that smoking kills.. yett its them growing food on plastick a known carsinogenic.
#whachuthinkabouthat aye 🙈
I hope they use solar panels on the roof to lower that electrical cost
@nisaan agarwal the cost of making and desposing are bad for the planet
If the solar power is strong enough all the pot farms will be using it instead of rely on the electricity company.
@@abkolman474 solar panels are actually very recyclable
@@abkolman474 total bullshit
What about the batteries?
me who has played countless hours of minecraft survival and made vertical farms: lmao
Relatable
Noobs I know they don’t even have a way to automatically harvest it
Back in mcpe like ~7 years id make huge tower farms and id end up monopolizing the server (my group of friends) with my endless food
But eating bread wastes more gametime than eating meat especially when you consider _foodSaturationLevel._ Eating anything other than Steak, Cooked Porkchop and Golden Carrots is a waste of your time as you engage in eating animation over and over. Why have a big wheat farm when you have minecraftian carnivorous superiority. Now who is the n0oB? hehe ecksdee, also you can try realism mods where eating same food stops "working" lol.
Not gonna lie, I hadn't thought about it for the longest time and then I was like....well I got a village over there with a bunch of farmer villagers, and my hand built town is here...what if I made a sorta warehouse to grow crops to trade them with the villagers for emeralds. Boom vertical farming discovered by accident.
How much does this consume electricity? If the amount of MWatts consumed are less than the energy required to run machines on the field + transport them, it’s obviously the future farming method.
even if its consume more energy it might better than wasting tons of water, killing soil, the ecosystem and the ocean.
@@Wohodix i believe i heard in a different video a few years back that the energy consumption is the only real reason why indoor/vertical farming isn't used literally everywhere. I agree that even if the energy is more costly than that of normal farming we should still do vertical farming b/c of the saved water and land, but sadly most farmers and people in general, don't care about those problems and only about their personal wealth. Governments around the world (especially in the US) should put tax breaks and subsidies on vertical farming companies, like how there are for Electric cars.
Maybe we could replace actual farm with solar panel and grow the plant in vertical way? Win-win solution considering how large the farm fields are
Ahmed Arma actually building solars panels is expensive in electricity and in minerals matters. Also it needs a lot of maintenance
@@gillesbkf4315 Actually, the maintenance is very low for solar PV.
they're catching up to cannabis techniques lmao
Hey, maybe they are, it's a great thing no?
Max Stirner It's fantastic don't get me wrong, it just tickles me is all
Quantrindic
Oh it's brilliant, but yes definitely funny knowing where its inspiration comes from!
not even close.. we are light years ahead of big ag
Sun is overrated...
Seriously, though, that shit has got to be unhealthy to eat. I won't be touching it. Rule of thumb: the less human intervention with our food the healthier it is
I love how a good chunk of comments are about us playing god, we aren’t playing god 😂 this isn’t creating, its harboring. We take already existing life and cater to it. If we were playing god we could just say fuck it and spawn food from thin air. Open your brain to new ideas, it’s how we got this far. It’s how you all can share your close minded opinion on the internet like this.
Finally someone with an iq higher than room temperature
Yeah factory farming exploded the population so we are dependent on it and fucks like you won’t be happy till every square inch is a fucking hell hole
wait till they hear about CRISPR owo
I am perfectly open to new ideas..but what is the problem with organic farming in soil and nature..
Instead of taking everything in ur own hands ,struggling in an artificial environment!
Do u know what it takes to do this..just have a read below
NATURE/GOD- just add seed,water and cattle droppings..rest happens like magic!!..
HUMANS- 1.add macronutrients likenitrogen,potassium,calcium,magnesium,oxygen,sulphur etc...
2.add micronutients like zinc, nickel, boron, copper, iron, manganese, molybdenum, boron, and chlorine.
3.add water,seed,organic substance Mimicing soil
4.maintain and adjust proper pH
5.hand Pollinate each flower with your own hands and use vibrators to mimic bee activity
6. build high power led lamps and light all the crops
7.maintain and adjust temperature of the area
8.measure and adjust electrical conductivity
9. buy numerous equipments ,raw materials ,tubes,furniture etc..for setting up the hydrophonics farm
10.regulate humidity, air quality etc..in the indoor farm
And many many more
*looks at comments*
*gets the hell out*
Open dialog is the only way to come to a reasonable conclusion if you run every time someones opposes your ideas you will never advance and find the truth. I didnt see anyone in the comments being rude or hateful its just an open debate. If that scares you I have lost more faith in humanity.
There is some good discussion here, but RUclips comments really aren't the place for it. Just look through the comments and find a guy called MetusBatmanV14, they're refusing to listen and simply throwing harassment. When it comes to people like that, it's better to simply have a discussion with someone else than to try and educate the willingly ignorant.
+Tim Lolsternater well said
+Zach Jordan Check again. Too many morons and asshats now.
+Zach Jordan RUclips comments are fucking cancer. You can't possibly belive that RUclips comments are beneficial?
theoretically, if you use 95% less water, zero soil requirements, all stacked up, all you need is space, electricity, and capital. I say we put them in old blockbusters.
***** yeah, but you can stack them in really tall buildings and you can do it on any kind of soil.
Why not on water? The irony... uses 95% less water on the water...
All of those dead malls in the US, I wonder if they could be repurposed into vertical farms?
Except that these are even less profitable than the malls were. Once they burn through the investors' money they always close.
Brilliant my friend brilliant. Here in canada they are in old candy factories, old food processing plants, old mines, a thriving local gymnasium as big as 4 football fields was closed down because landlord got 10 tije the rent from grow op.
@@Mac_an_Mheiriceanaigh ah, but what if it was only one of several services provided?
This might work in a year or 10, perhaps even 6/7 assuming there is a fat discount on the structure to be able to break even/turn a small profit. Right now, after many years of effort (Talking 30+) the closest to financially feasible is a 1% loss. The university leading the charge on research and efficiency improvements in this field does believe in knowledge sharing though so at least that's nice. Once they know how to run a 2-3% profit, the rest of the world will have access to that knowledge.
Don't mind Quinton, he's extra negative about this for some reason, maybe a vertical farm killed his hamster.
hell yes!
*This method is being used worldwide nowadays to grow endangered plants species*
This would be a perfect new industry for Detroit. They have tons of empty warehouses, a population willing to learn to have steady work and a throving city again. I read about this awhile back, and it still is amazing.
They aren't even productive enough to get basic jobs or provide for a family. I doubt that they would be able to uphold something as advanced or as time-consuming as this
I have exact same setup for growing weed
lmao
Hahaha awesome!
same
Police will be at your door shortly.
+John Doe cool, tell them to bring drinks and supplies
People been growing weed 'in the future' for years then lol
lmao
Ikr. Like we been doing this already
@Bantham Nobilis Try living in the UK lol for a Q of high grade you are talking £60-80 ($80-100)
Unless you know a guy who knows a guy
@Bantham Nobilis if you are spending more than $150 (or $180 if its some fire bud) on an O, you are getting ripped of.
Facts
This is amazing! They also have farms popping up in warehouses with soil and the products are certified organic…. Healthy…. And less prone to bugs and molds as conventional farming…. They also don’t get ravaged by weather as the growing environment is controlled… its amazing!!
when the weird kid in high school says, "I'm going to grow plants on racks for a living"
couple of years later
Anytime someone only shows the pro's I am immediately skeptical. Show me the pro's and the con's. Then we can talk about the future.
Form your own cons
My TwoCents..everything has pros and cons..everything...we do it anyway on a small scale.on a big scale..but food production is very important..so we will have to live with a few cons..or u might have a better idea than these ppl plz share it.😊
Yeah, expect someone else to feed you with what to think is good or bad. Anyone can spin anything as a "pro" or "con".
Get the raw numbers. Make your own evaluation.
I'm thinking that maybe one of the cons may be the jobs that people will lose because of this new method. Unless those directly employed to agriculture could build these vertical farms, which I'm guessing takes a lot of money considering all the specialized materials, they will most likely begin losing money as people realized the better environmental impact. But again, these crops might also be sold at a higher price due to the farmers spending so much to create it. It's all about money, and until this new method begins becoming more mainstream and affordable, it probably won't be pushed for a while.
That's just my two cents, so take it with a grain of salt. I do think this is a very good idea, but it has to be supported before any large leaps and bounds can take place.
In the future we'll have flying cars!
Why aren't these everywhere?!
Your channel is awesome.
ikr
plus you awesome
Probably expensive and it's hard to get large buildings in city's
+notagoon695 and it's just not a big enough scale
Its a big original investment to open one of these, and the profit simply is so tiny it would never pay for itself. Remember, global food production is privatized, so businessmen in the industry would much rather buy a cheap plot of land and grow crops on it for a significantly higher profit. Technological progress does not always mean immediate implementation or implementation at all. Farms are businesses, and a business' sole purpose is profit.
Nobody is talking about the electric bill...
Solar powered perhaps?
With the fact that they mentioned LED Lighting and reduced spectrum multiple times, one would think you would've figured out by now that the energy bill won't be that high. That said, it may be higher than they can support with only Solar on the roof of that building.
@@bookcadenb4584 24/7 +mist .+ investment .
Price of kWh in the US is very favourable for these kind of set ups.
There are no solutions, only trade-offs.
They should try it in desert 🌵 countries....saving 95% of water is great 👍🏻!
Critic224 and electricity is no problem for them since they have an abundance of fuel source
wanderingbufoon or just use solar panels and windmills?
Critic224 I'm sorry to tell you BUT these vertical futuristic Farms will ((NEVER)) be built across the world......They're amazing.........BUT farming will only get worse. The honey bee die-off why only get worse. The fish in the sea dying will only get worse. The Chemtrails, the pollution will only get worse.
That is until the humans go back to its 200AD population level
Don´t forget the solar power, it is very helpful.
While a good idea, there is one factual comment that is bothering me. They said they were able to reduce their energy consumption by not using yellow light (and presumably only using a blue-red combination) because plants don't need yellow light. This remains to be seen. While it is true that structural components and sugar creation is independent of lights other than blue and red, we aren't quite sure of the effect of the rest of the spectrum on secondary metabolite generation. So, what they're doing is building plants that look healthy and fully formed but are potentially lacking a great deal of chemical diversity.
@GamingTV Not necessarily. The yellow light may be responsible for the absorption of trace elements, which might not be essential for plant growth, but may make a difference to the health of the person consuming the plants. E.g. it is said that increased Selenium in food can help prevent cancer. If yellow light is responsible for the addition of Selenium to the plant, by denying the plant yellow light, you are producing a plant that will help deal with your hunger but lack in disease prevention properties.
Very good point
We know exactly the wavelengths of all the light that a plant needs to grow. It's no secret. Scientists have already figured out all the molecules that absorb lights in a plant (which is mostly just chlorophyll and carotenoids), we are not doing stone age experiments here. The plant can create all the components it needs from the energy absorbed by those pigments.
There's no secret process that has not yet been discovered in terms of plant growth and metabolism.
The only concern here is cost. If it is more economical than traditional farming, this would be a great way to grow food.
Very well said 👍
I totally agree it very worrying to me
soon these will be run completly off solar power and people are gon a be like did you hear they growing plants useing the power of the sun lol
😂
"Lettus know in the comments below". 😂. Great idea! No turning back
Can we grow vegetables like cabbage.
And here I am growing beans in a bucket of dirt 😂
Great
greg wendt I can relate, I’m growing a tomato in a bucket of dirt 😭
Well yeah if it's just for you thats sustainable. They sell tons of LEDs on Amazon w/ diffrent spectrums. They work great for my cannabis!
Here I am tending my cattle on a ranch.... Vertical farming techniques save my wasted space!!!!!! 😒😒😒😒😒😒😒
@@Bramon83 maybe beef shouldn't be mass produced because you have to kill millions of animals in a short but painful way, and it's the biggest producer of CO² in our atmosphere
"The idea is finally taking root"... Badum Tssss. Good one!
Damn... I "mist" it.
where do these puns stem from?
JW was an idiot !
"Over the few years, vertical farms have sprouted all over the world"
Mirrorslash **grown** Puns....
Vertical farming is THE way to go, growing food inside city limits to cut down on how far crops travel, ultimately making food sources more readily available to urban development. While using less, land, water and pesticides?!
How could it get any better than that? Bravo Aero, and all the other companies around the world striking out to be pioneers in this new and better way to farm.
Vertical Farming is far more energy intensive than normal farming, meaning it leads directly to increased carbon emissions. It is also not profitable at all. No one has ever made money on growing vegetables indoors.
Quinton Beck please state your sources
Solar panels on the roof...
they just said that?
joe botsch You can't power all of those lights running 24/7 with solar panels. Think about it for a second; If that much light energy hit the roof of that plant why would you use a solar panel to convert 18% of that light into electricity and then use a UV light bulb to convert that 18% of electrical energy into light at yet again at 18% efficiency?
Also, all of the nutrients are coming from external sources. Where do you think all of those nutrients are coming from?
Guys just because of your innovation humanity come so far thank you for everything...kind regards and love
It's stuff like this that make me optimistic about the future
Same
barf
Yes, but currently, this is only viable for leafy greens, unfortunately. So all the wheat, potatoes, soja, corn, fruits and roots that we eat are cost prohibitive to grow indoor, meaning it wont happen unless the price of all the food increase tenfolds at least.
This shit has been around for decades upon decades, moron. The same way the electric car has been around since the early 1900's, moron.
***** Okay, I'll shut my mouth when it happens. Until then I'm pretty sure using ACTUAL sunlight is more efficient than electric powered sunlight, that which comes from fossil fuels rather than renewable sources. Also, current aeroponic methods for growing high calorie staple crops, like corn and potatoes are sorely behind in meeting current demands. I'm more of an advocate for reducing the 75% of farmland specifically for feeding livestock, not to mention ungodly amounts of water.
Too bad, I already have an automatic farm in minecraft years ago.
I don’t like pointing fingers but did you just steal the comment above? Maybe Inspiration perhaps, Or just pure coincidence?
Why didn’t I know about automatic farms in Minecraft where have I been
Imma just delete my comment in 1 day and 13 hours
@@bhaltyloumata2303 It just really _feels_ like the process of a Minecraft farm lol.
Maybe because it is lol
I was just recently telling my friends farms will be in high rise buildings in cities with solar panels covering the outside of the buildings. Thank you for proving me right.
Well...lettuce.
@@kikib48grid You could grow corn too, this is only the first set up. And it's in an old building ( think it was) eventually whole buildings will be designed around the process.
@@coltmagnus6572 I think the whole idea is interesting, but with all the people who freak out over anything that's not 'natural'...do you think people will accept this? I can hear the negative fear-style news coverage now. Thoughts?
@@kikib48grid If they aren't GMO then it shouldn't be an issue. Nutrients and artificial light coupled with watering systems isn't any different except the ability to maximize growth through time spent under lights. Recycled water and solar power to run the buildings. I don't see a problem.
@@coltmagnus6572 Yes, but considering the crazy bad press gmo got? How about 'pink slime' scare which destroyed a major meatpacking business, which sued and must have had a hella case because it ended up settled out of court. ( Lots of money came to the former owners who shared it with all their former employees. Great people.) Sorry about going off on that tangent 🤗but it just goes to show!
Anyway, I'm thinking people might be gun shy, like 'What are you using to feed the plants? How do we know THAT'S safe?'
And the bigger the operation gets, the more calls for regulations and oversight there will be.
All you need is a worried rational-sounding guest on Oprah or the news, for example, for opinions to shift fast.
To be clear, I don't have a problem with hydroponics, or farms inside buildings or any of it, as long as its well done, clean etc, I'll eat it. But I hope it grows slowly so everyone gets a chance to adjust.
Nice talking to ya!
Wow!!! It really give me goosebumps when I heard RECYCLED PLASTIC WASTE is used.
In response to the electricity question, I have an Aerogarden that has about 1/2 square foot of LEDs that combined draw about 30 watts when on. Add the pump to aerate the roots, which is about 5 watts, for a total of 35 watts. Do the math with 1 football field of LEDs (or less efficient fluorescent bulbs), which is 57,600 square feet, and it should be consuming approximately 3 to 4 Mega Watts of power depending on how often pumps are running. They could offset this consumption with renewable energy, which was not discussed in the video.
But then you have to replace LED's. They last long but not forever.
This video would be a lot better if they explained the economics of this business and not just the possible environmental impacts. I like the idea, but after watching the video I still have no idea if it's economically feasible or when it might be.
It's 100% economically feasible. Sure, the intial cost will be pretty big, but the energy and water cost is much less than that of a regular farm, and with round the clock yealds they can be selling these plants within several months, eventually gaining back what they intially spent within several years. ( or less )
+Gabe Newell Do you have a source?
Half_Centaur
No, but it's basic economics... Why would this not make sense? They use LED lights (much less efficient than traditional lighting), they use much less water by misting, no fertilizer, lower growing times, growing times 12 months a year, controlled environments (meaning no pests/diseases), etc. A regular farm also has to buy fuel and energy to power machinery for plowing/sewing seeds, which this doesn't require.
+Gabe Newell Regardless of whether it is economically profitable right now, which you don't seem to know except from what you saw in this video and what seems like a guess, my point is that the video should've discussed the business side of it more. That is, after all, what will determine whether this catches on.
They for sure use a fertilizer. They don't use a pesticide is what you probably meant.
like Uber will weed out Taxi companies, vertical farms will kill conventional farms and hungering be a thing of the past. yes, a few people will suffer as a result but for he benefit of the greater good.
Doubtful. Conventional farms is till more cost competitive.
at what cost? fucking the environment. that doesn't sound to bright does it. anything worth doing generally costs more. its like buying a decent pair of shoes. is ya cup half full or half empty remliqa?
Vertical farming isn't exactly greener.What this video neglect to mention is that vertical farming requires intensive amount of energy( which still uses fossil fuel at the moment) and resources to start up.
The most important thing is there is still no pressing need to switch to vertical farming right now, even from an environmental stand point and from a cost perspective.In the future, maybe.
Not everything can be produce in vertical farms also for now it's way more expensive and it's not proven to be efficient. Maybe in a couple years a lot of lettuce production could be made that way, but we're far from there with other crops. For now the only thing that can be grow this way and make profit out of it is weed.
It will never be more environmental friendly to use artificial light instead of the sun.
I feel like the one in Vancouver is probably filled with weed not beans 😵
Arctic Jungle happiest staff ever!
Thx for idea )
The Colombian is running the show ,I'll order an 8 ball
Shut up and take my money.
One can only hope
At the end of the video "do you believe vertical farming will help? LETTUCE know in the comments below"
John Doe help yeah solve no
John Doe lol dude
It will not help. We're finding now that much of the nutrition we get from vegetables comes from the complex relationship between the organism and the soil-based organisms. It is essential for the health of your gut to have foods that are grown in healthy diverse soils. This is foundation for all complex life. Taking soil out of the equation will be one of the final follies of mankind.
i suspect you are right. diet will miss micronutrients
Nick, not true. Those living organisms can actually be 'made' and added to the water, its called Aquaponics. A lot of vertical setups include that within its setup.
No soil and 95% less water. But shit ton of electricity
If that electricity is from solar the energy requirements become essentially meaningless.
LED lights, so is not THAT much
It isn't all that much in the grand scheme of things and the main thing here is that its not using as much land as traditional field farming. Vertical farming is the future and is far better for the environment, just because it isn't absolutely perfect doesn't mean it isn't a good solution.
@@larsvegas1505 unless it uses solar power, also note it doesn't cobsume much since its LED
@@MahiMahi-oiasdf that's actually not 100% correct. A solar panel needs about 10 years to be more co2 effective than an normal power station. When you expect a solar panel must be renewed in about 20-25 years it's about twice effective than a power plant.
Neighbour is paying a ton in electricity and he doesn't know why! 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Solar panels
LED lights are very efficient. It probably cost for one light to run for like 60 cents a year.
Edward Jr In a normal house and normal lights maybe.
With these estimates on normal small LED lights, it’s about $12 a year per each. Those lights they’re using are very specialized (even changes the type of rays) so I wouldn’t be surprised if it were 10 times that per each.
www.cnet.com/news/are-efficient-led-bulbs-worth-the-price/
@@ernestc5641 also do they run Ac in the summer or Heater in the winter for the entire building?
In next episode: Vertical cow farm.
haha lol
Cellular agriculture
Their will be, look it up- cell culture. They call the incubators as cows.
In China, they have vertical pig farms. The pigs born, grow and die in the same building
You late already
Squidward " FUUUUUUUUUUUUTTUUUURRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEE"
haha
its happening theyre using chrome, i mean steel XD
Thank God someone is working on this! The issue is overlooked so often, it's good to know people are starring to help solve it!
2:48 :
Dude: "We listen to the plants very carefully to try and understand what they're telling us"
Plant: I WANT SUN, NI#£A!!!
Dude: I'm all you need senpai
😂
Are they saying they want Brawndo or water?
lol he meant by seeing changes on plant they can see what they are lacking but sun joke were funny ;)
Nigga just say nigga what someone gonna do tell you your a racist over the internet
next level: use optical fibers to channel sunlight instead of LEDs.
TheIceThorn I gotta ask. How does that work?
@@Urban_Piggy channel sunlight into optical fibers using mirrors and then use those with prisms to distribute it in the building. It's still closed, you don't need lamps and don't need also to convert energy from light to electric and vice-versa.
...plus you've a natural day/light cycle.
@@TheActionStack why?
Proof of how we can grow our own food in space, and possibly Mars.
Nah not really in space or other planets you would need to also control the atmosphere around the plants which could prove very difficult
@@jacklo2227 why tf would you do that?
All you need to do is have a small bio dome and have climate control for that one building.
The ISS is already growing crops in space.
Oh yeah your right just disregard my comment
@@lil_bunz1720 we dont have technology to protect plants fully from radiation in space so for bigger amounts of plants you will have a lot of random mutations, most of time bad ones
@@amomor9928 are you making this up on the spot or do you have a source you would like to share?
they should put solar panels on the top of their buildings to generate the energy needed for these plants.
Yep, and some already do.
Solar isn't cost effective yet
Plants can use up to about 8% of sunlight. Solar panels can use up to about 25% (let's not consider more effective but highly costly solar cells). So for those plants under a roof covered with solar cells we can provide about 2% (1/4 of 8%) of captured sunlight energy. Or even less than that because some of the energy we will lose as heat due to electric current resistance.
yes it is
Hydroelectricity would be better as you get power 24/7, whereas solar is obviously only when there is sun (ie not during the night)
So why don't we have these everywhere?
My guess is it's spreading slowly over time, as things always do
Resistance of the guys making big money on big agriculture.
Jessica Bayol Duh...why does EVERY potentially world-saving invention fail because of big corporations? Just like permanent magnet engines. Imagine how much cleaner our air would be if we had them.
oggie90 Might be a reason, yes :)
I hope you know we use magnets for almost every engine, this is an example of one of the parts: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stator
All these comments filled with hippies and minecraft jokes lmao
less soil and water but more electricity!
maisto not if they use led lights
They use led's, and as they said in the video, they save even further electricity by not using yellow spectrum light, only red and blue. Regular farms might not use electricity to grow their fields, but they use tons upon tons of diesel fuel to sow, harvest and prepare their fields. With vertical farm, the energy at least has the potential to come from renewable sources.
Yes, but the technology for vertical farms exist *now*. It will be decades before we have batteries powerful enough to drive a tractor for any reasonable amount of times
+Thure Christensen and lets not forget, the batteries needed for solar powered vegicles are detrimental to the environment themselves.
They could use greenhouses with mist and possibly some mirrors. No need for LED lights.
I wonder if there was a way to use glass ceilings and mirrors to reflect light onto the many levels of crops instead of using electric lighting... Just a thought.
The heat might be a problem, but with proper ventilation I'm sure it could at least cut the cost of operations. But it would require banks of reflectors and precise angle alignment constantly maintained to adequately light every level, not to mention the cleaning and precautions involved, so the savings might not be worth the trouble. But, send them the idea, anyway, it might be worth more than a thank you.
Led lighting is cheap to run and effective.
@@zokay1121 The create very little heat and are efficient and can be tailored to produce the spectrum of light required by the plants. The humidity level with all those sprays may become a maintenance issue.
@@darrelgaines777 The heat would increase the evaporation of the system massively, resulting in exponentially higher water waste.
@@andrewmayers1493 probably do. Good point.
I'd be interested to see an exhaustive micronutrient and pollutant level comparison against a fully organic outdoor plant equivalent.
probably far less if its so climate controlled. id imagine the only problems might be from people (who likely have lots of regulations to follow), or perhaps a lack of previously unknown bacteria or other organisms that helped the plants in a more uncontrolled area. but i dont think its that likely
This is just a way for the Bill Gates and Blackrocks of the world to control all the food.
Sounds almost too good to be true!! My hope is that such farms will also be build in over-populated countries, and places where fresh water is scarce. That would be the best thing of all!
I don't know if this going to solve food problem... but if it's a better way compared to traditional one, why not do it?
Because it is expensive
IT USES way LESS water and no fertilizer, and most likely fewer pesticides because it is indoors.This is probably almost as cheap or maybe even cheaper than a large outside farm
It uses lots and lots of fertilizer, that's what is in the mist that they spray on the roots, that is how the plants grow. This is a waste of energy and grows crops that have close to zero calories which can't feed anyone.
Tidbit- i agree
Tidbit do you know what fertilizer is? Is the soil that crops grow in, not some liquid they spray on it. They said it grows on sheets of recycled materials=no fertilizer. Besides, just because its plants doesnt mean it feeds almost no one. Sure it may not fill u up but if it was feeding nobody then why would they be making money selling to local businessss
Do these vertical farms grow anything else other than lettuce?
thats a good point.... how the hell are they going to grow corn or wheat???
Thank you !
just larger farms/less vertical rows. Although I am not so well informed about these farms, so I am just trying to apply logic. But of course for this kind of crops it might be better to do it outside. I am sure that the people working on this will know what's best to do and ofcourse these lettuce/smaller crops would otherwise need to take more place that can now be used for larger crops
A crop that requires bees for pollination seems to be a real challenge with all those fans around. The parts of the plant we don't use are normally turned into fertilizer by the bacteria in the soil to support the next cycle.
So growing lettuce indoors is still sitting at a very great distance from being able to grow (most of) all plants for nutrition. We have a long way to go still.
they'll find a way.
"We listen to the plant very carefully..."-CEO @ 2:50. This guy been smoking weeds lol.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Francis Tran lol
I have been farming in Korea for 20 years from 20 years old. I am interested in hydroponics after watching this video. So, I will try cultivation.
sorry bro, Japan is already doing it for the past 10 years.
Japan for president!
Yup
+Piotr a country can't be president and if a country can, Japan is one of the worst candidates (Check the history books before you argue)
+Jose Ledezma
Yup,
+Jose Ledezma
but that's history, it's different now right?
95% less water and 150% more electricity
the vast majority of the energy used by standard led lights is used to create in spectrums we can see. these special farming LEDs only create infrared and ultraviolet which means they're incredibly efficient.
Haha well thats just plain wrong. UV and IR LED's run hotter and consume more watts. You will also pay more to ventilate one of these systems. On the bright side LED's do run cooler than HPS, metal halide, and ceramics but they also, sadly, produce lower yields.
SpoounPC For horticulture, at a distance of 50cm, to reach comparable light levels, the wattage of Phillips GreenPower LEDs run between 1/3 - 1/4 of what fluorescent EL or EM does. Its pretty good kit. I have a setup of my own as a test.
Aidan Bradley I have a gavita pro 1000 and some MARS hydro LEDs (900w equivalent, 430w actual). I tested the micromole output on both of them and the drop off for the gavita begins way before the temperature it outputs is safe for plants. The LEDs have a lower output but I can grow plants as close as 25cm safely.
SpoounPC That's pretty neat. I find this stuff amazing. I'm not familiar with those units. I'm about to close on some land to scale one of these solutions up. Its exciting :D
No soil, 95% less water... But wastes as much electricity as a data center.
92kosta Think about it. Solar energy, nuclear energy, other forms of reusable energy can help this to become even better. Why is the spectrum of your mind so small?
could be possible for spacestation? (with solar panels)
they use leds...
first off, its LED, second, getting that power from solar or wind would be problem. You dont have to burn coal and oil to get electricity. If you are into this kind of stuff, chances are you are into renewable energy too.
energy is free since 200 years ago
Such a wonderful idea, it is really a gateway to a better farming and better distribution system to provide the produce locally "hopefully at the minimum cost for the consumers as well"!
As an agricultural engineering student, I'm happy that people do this.
can you give information about the system
We’re called “Biosystems Engineers” now
You make vertical farming applicable to potatoes or corn or rice. It is not cost effective.
Please don't tell us that this is new. Modern vertical farming started in the 1960s!
And even with LED, the electric bill is nice. A comparable company in the Midwest uses 7000 Philips LED top lighting with 190W each in one (1!) vertical greenhouse. That's 1.33MW, just 1,330,000W! In my area, the bill for this 31.92MWh would be about $1,000,000 a year. That is some serious money!
And telling us that they save up to 95% water... Well, almost any modern greenhouse does, compared to artificial irrigation somewhere in California.
I really like the idea and products but only telling the positive aspects and not showing hard facts and why the concepts wouldn't work in poor countries where food shortages really matter pisses me off.
The title should be: "The Farm of the Future for those who can afford it!"
So we need more efficient electrical generation.
Now where can we get something like that...
Oh yeah! We've had the basic principle since the 40's. Nuclear power, of course.
MrVideye Well, Solar panels could do the trick because they could be used during the entire day. These innovations are pretty cool, but they are still very expensive. Just remember what cellphones were like back then as to where they are now
ur complaining about electricity? why? WE HAVE FUCKING SOLAR PANELS FOR A FUCKING REASON U DUNCE. SOLAR PANELS = FREE ELECTRICITY
What's that growing MrVideye? & what type & colour led's? I grow in a 2x1 foot space with a single 26w fluorescent growlight & it's AMPLE light for lettuce! a 5w led desk light will give me a 1foot radius, that's basic white, not reds/plant lighting, I would assume I could easily light the same with a 2w red +.5w blue, maybe even lower
MrVideye what if the company ran on solar power?
When these become big you know there will be conspiracy theories about mind controlling stuff in the mist
When this becomes big and acceptable it could be scaled-down to home owner size/family sustainable size.owner operated.
ruclips.net/video/jT-653dp19M/видео.html
Funny haha stop spreading fear you lab grown sub-human alien hybrid propaganda machine
@@NightmareFuelsYou hillery lost , trump is your president .... get used to it .your obviously suffering malnutrition ...perhaps TDS ! LMFAO
@@NightmareFuelsYou YOUR READ ALL THE OTHER REPLIES ... THEY MOSTLY SAY THIS SUCKS .. . . . .LOL
Well South Africa definetly need this.
South Africa needs to quit killing those who actually know how to grow food skillfully enough to feed a country.
Things they fail to mention: massive amount of electricity used to maintain optimum environment plus massive investment that need to be made in buildings that are needed for closed farming such as these.
This will force Farmers to close down
Plants get no rest from constant sunshine!!!
@@duanewilliams7353 Yeah, I wonder about the constant light part.
Electricity is cheap per kWh in the US, makes these vertical farming set ups very much viable if they have the market. Why does it matter that they don't mention it? It's not a bunch of chumps with no concept of P&L. It's simple to pit the cost per m2 against the production and value per m2, that's a basic prerequisite before even starting an operation like this. Now, talking about WHERE the electricity comes from is a fair point.
As for the constant lighting, if anybody is running lights 24/7 it is safe to say they do not have a clue what they are doing. Depending on the crop, optimal day/night lengths have been researched many a time to generate the most annual success. Again, it is a trade off from extracting the most from the plant while being mindful of your costs.
Now throw in some robots and machine learning and you've got a self sustaining vertical farm..
Also some blockchain technology so that you really have all the buzzwords covered.
@@lenn939 And IoT*
They do have machine learning in more detail videos they show the central computer moving racks to different positions and changing temperatures to balance chemicals in the plant that it has a goal of balancing and it changes its future strategies based on empirical measurements taken by sensors.
Viscon is an automation company, and they have done the robotics for at least one such farm. But, you forgot about the fish tank to recirculate the water through, then an added branch to turn some of the crops into fish food and you would have a truly self sustaining system. Sorry, but it's been done. No patents are available, damn the luck.
Yeah but with no workers ,who's going to have any money to buy anything ? Unless our mighty government gives us hand outs I guess. . .
"We listen to the plants carefully and try to see what they're telling us..." Man his voice sounds so stoned, I wouldn't be surprised if he was growing weed LOL
Yea, thats where the technology comes from. :D
there finally discovering how ahead minecraft is
Aero/Fogponics needs to be paired with aquaponics (using live fish to produce fertilizer for plants) if we are serious about self sustaining agricultural growth, vertical farm solver are a great giant step in the right direction and I believe this is the technology we will see feeding future generations not only here on earth, but beyond the atmosphere in space stations, lunar colonies and even Mars. The advent of LED grow lights was such a game changer in terms of resource consumption to produce food and now paired with Aero/Fogponics this IS the future.
I completely agree. That's actually what business I plan on going into. Vertical Aquaeroponics. I plan on building a dedicated facility on my property near our pond (which I plan to use as a geothermal heatsink as well).
save rainforests biodiversity with this higher tech
Lima Costa the rainforest, is it REALLY at risks here? lol I kid
by this plants for the rainforest is the naturell climate better for she, to be strong...... but good idea!!! :)
Agree. Also, with advances in biotechnology, we could start growing wood within the cities.
Support rainforest biodiversity by not using products with palm oil and not buying wood products grown in the rainforest. If humans just leave it alone, we'll be good.
Conspicuously missing are energy consumption costs. Seems like a lot of electricity.
95% less water they say... but a whole lot of electricity. Sunshine is free. If it was combined with solar power it could make more sense but that would cost a considerable amount to set up.
true dat
every time someone comes up with a new farming concept, all they ever grow is lettuce. and they even said "highly nutritious". how are people gonna live off lettuce?
Yeah. Lets see them do it with peach trees.🤔 That would be a tall building. Oh and dont forget the bee hives. 😃
@@kikib48grid You both must be unfamiliar with micro-greens.
Bee hives have already been built on rooftops and proven to be manageable in small lots.
Any tree that grows outside can be grown inside, no different than a plant. The space/light/water/nutrition requirements would be significantly increased however.
@@jeremyowen1 sure but would it be cost effective compared to orchard farming?🤔 And of course theres always other problems, like people who freak out over gmo. This is all interesting, dont get me wrong,😊 but I'm not sure people with a 'back to nature' pov will accept it. I think they'll just see it as one more reason to freak out.🤗 Thoughts?
@@kikib48grid Orchard farming is definitely more efficient right now. There's always going to be people complaining about how it's "not natural" but the reality of it is the options are pretty limited. The problem needs to be addressed somehow. Whether that's with learning how to control pesticide runoff in ground water and the constant erosion of the small bit of available farm-land we have left or by mutant GMO crops grown inside under "unnatural conditions" it doesn't really matter to me. I think if you consider our plans for space travel and the needs we'll have for food, it would make more sense for us as a whole to pursue advancing Solar/Battery/LED industries.
@@jeremyowen1 'mutant gmo' 🤣 thanks for the chuckle! You're right about the pesticide run-off problems. I wish we didn't have quite so many feed-lots without pastures, too. But farmers have to make money, just like anyone and they don't Unionize. (I'm a midwesterner, raised on a farm, can you tell?)
I think food raised in old buildings solves some problems, if only from a freshness, transportation, fuel use pov. However, like you, I would like to see tech set free to solve other problems. I saw a BASF commercial once that talked about solar power generated from windows. Sadly, when I researched it, I found nothing on the subject.
I'm building my own open source Food Computer designed by MIT :D
whats a food computer so and how much will it cost me?
I think its the linux operating system installed in a parsnip....I too would like one!
Any link? I'm intrested.
supermanadamio any link my friend
Minecraft farming in a nutshell
But Minecraft farming is more complex and requires much more expertise.
Red Sharp Yes, because farming in real life is all about click and wait for the loading bar to fill up, isn't it?
yes. But you forget about all the complex componets required in minecraft.
*SARCASM*
But in minecraft you can use villagers as your slaves...
Dariepearjuicy you can do that too in real life, just might have a few ethical problems
This is the way, no question about it. Great job!
The reasons why this isn't a thing is:
1. Light
2. Cost
it costs alot more to make a normal farm vs a vertical farm. LED Lights are very inexpensive. Alot less water used.
+Ant1Link Normal farm requirements: some ground.
Vertical farm requirements: building, structure, lighting, ventilation, less ground, power etc...
Ok if land value is through the roof, vertical farming might be cheaper to set up. But it usually isn't, since farms are not in cities, so the set up cost for a normal farm is lower.
I think this model relies on one big assumption. That people are at least a significant portion of people are willing to pay a premium for fresh vegetables out of season.
Like for example if you buy a strawberry in May or June, it will likely to taste much better than the one you bought in December.; This because such a December strawberry was picked green in the Southern Hemisphere so it could survive the transport. Then it was gassed with a maturing agent when it got close to its final retailer. The end result is a strawberry that tastes as bland as one picked 2 weeks too early, but looks mature. Meanwhile the June strawberry was picked just a few days ago in field may just a few hours drive away.This a VERY common tactic across the entire food production industry.
Considering how expensive out of season food is to buy (often like 3 to 7 times that of in season food), you could actually make a profit doing this. But my guess is that the margins are still pretty thin, even on seasonal foods. You certainly are not going to grow any wheat or rice this way.
***** No counter arguments? Ok
TC Coltharp Well for people in cities this will not be a problem because, well, they often have alot more money. Although in this video they present it as if it will be wide spread as a superior option to the current way of producing greens.
I think the biggest problem will be light (energy). Maybe in the soon future we will have more disposable energy but if we don't invest more in battery technology and/or nuclear power this idea won't go far.
Just imagine moving the plants into a building with lights. Those lights are slightly more efficient than sunlight to supply the plants. But if the energy comes from something like solar (the "green" alternative) we would have to replace the fields with 50% effective solar panels (which is a pretty new technology) to just supply the plants that they have replaced. This is why I'm for nuclear.
I'm not against the idea. I just think it sounds a little bit like solar roadways and dell's aircarbon (except those are just bullshit).
I really do hope tho that vertical farming could be the best option in the soon future.
Nothing like fresh vegetables planted on real soil, using real sunlight etc. All natural
I hate gardening, a childhood spent using a rake and hoe did that. I do like fresh veggies, though, so I have considered doing something like this in my home. The added bonus of having a year round supply is appealing to me. Hydroponics works great for weed, so why not grow greens and beans and tomatoes? The bee hive is going to be the real problem!
It is not like dirt and sunlight crops, studies show they are even better in both nutrition and flavor.
Farmers: Am I a joke to you?
they are farmers lol
The future we need more of this
shouldn't this have been filmed vertically?
hahaha nice one
XD
good call
Nikos Gewrgiou you already have it! It's called PORN!!! 😂😂😂
Nice
So while this can definitely supply the demand for leafy vegetables, the big staples that make up 60% of the food grown (wheat, rice, corn) might still have to be grown conventionally. Well, maybe wheat and rice can be grown vertically, but no way you fitting a 6 foot corn plant in there. Amazing innovation nontheless.
im pretty sure they can engineer corn plants that don't grow 6ft tall.
Peter Nguyen But then it's not ORGANIC! jk
Not to mention all the subsidies big farm gets. No way this could EVER compete with that type of inequality in the marketplace. So sadly I think this is the first and last time this will be news. I hope not.
C Mendoza It can still be very useful in dense urban areas and for reinhabiting abandoned industrial centers. Personally, I feel all agriculture should be subsidized considering all the work that goes into producing the food we eat.
Horizontal corn farms
Solar powered vertical farm would be ideal
No can do.
@@goldenassassin7995 why not?
@@UcheFiasco I'm sure it can and probably will be a norm soon.
no, it won't, every time you convert one form of energy to another, part of it is lost, solar is only like 20% efficient, now you convert that to electricity, light and heat, and then the plant coverts that again to grow. It makes zero sense. Also to run facilty like this you would probably need couple of football fields worth of solar panels. You might as well plant in soil then.
@@extracoolboy I am pretty sure solar powered means the sunlight can reach the plants directly, the original meaning to solar powered.
What about things like wheat, barley, and potatoes
That's what I'm saying... All this farms show lettuce or other leafy greens, yet they pitch this as the farm of the future... they plan to meet the caloric needs of people by feeding them leafy greens???
This would be revolutionary if they could grow rice or potatoes not lettuce or kale.. lol...
Humans are awesome.... Thank you! We should all endeavor to solve world problems while make this world a better place for us all...
MegaPruddy unfortunately there's little or no profit in solving problems or making the world a better place.
Are you sure? Do you thing that humans ideas are better than the order God place in the Planet? Oh! so foolish humanity!!!
carmelina finn Not sure if joke or just stupid youtube comment...
And thats why this works. It solves world problems and is profitable for companies. other ideas just work well in theory but are shit for profit in practice.
Wtf. what kind of next level ignorance is this. it isnt perfect because quantum mechanics exists, it isnt perfect because we die, it isnt perfect because it was all an accidental and random arrangement of particles, it isnt perfect because noyhing made it. But again, not sure if joke or just stupid youtube comment...
Seriously what a great concept and outstanding ideas. Now please get the slackers in Australia to do this!
Vertical farming is definitely a good idea, but let's integrate renewable sources of energy into it. I think an array of solar panels installed atop such vertical elements of vegetables is the next step! And overtime, we can also desalinate water to be used for the vegetable growing process!
as i know, solar panels brings their money back in 8 to 12 years, at least in terms of Turkey. It should be similar everywhere.
Just throwing panels on the roof wouldn’t be enough energy. You would need 5 acres of panels to support 1 acre of indoor growth because panels are approximately 20% efficient. If this is a vertical farm that number doubles for each vertical rack of food crop.
A great innovation would be outdoor aeroponics. The issue is irrigation and the structure of the vertical greenhousing. I agree that we need to rely on nature for to supply our needs to reduce environmental impact.
Solar panels aren’t cost effective enough to be viable geothermal on the other hand could be a good alternative
That would not be enough energy. Solar panels are incapable of converting 100%.
As someone pointed out in the comments about the cost of electricity; why not use solar panels?
It still costs money to buy them and would take 15-20 years to pay for themselves
Pardon me but I believe I will stand for the use of solar panels as an alternative to the power companies. There are a number of states like NJ that the cost of residential solar panels are free provided you use their product; my friend has no electric bill but gets a rebate. Plus, the cost of panels are coming down and are better than the original. 15-20 years is outlandish to paying back the cost but you neglected the yield of crops grown and the revenue it produces. Remember this type of growing greens yields produce every day to be sold to nearby restaurants or customers.
@@pposada1956 It aint cheap enough ,
Exactly.
In New Jersey? Where it rains and is cloudy so much? Would still need a back up system for light and then the food would be unavoidable to pay for solar stuff.
I am sure these guys have a lot of resistance from conventional big agri
Actually, all the farmers I know think indoor tech farming is neat, and all the ag chemical and machinery suppliers think it's a cool new market.
I think indoor farming will become a vital production method for certain types of crops. It won't compete with or even replace any field crops, because you can't build a high tech factory that can produce more food at lower prices than the highly specialized field methods already do.
In business it's adapt or die, 'big agri' will have to adopt this sort of thing.
How much electricity do you consume for this as compared to free sunlight?
Believe it or not, plants absorb 99% of their light in only 6% of the visible light spectrum. A modern solar panel is about 18% efficient. This means that if you take the energy of the sun, give it back to these plants at strictly the 6% of wavelengths they absorb, you can actually produce 3 times the plant light through LEDs. (18% of all spectrum light becomes electricity, churn that out as 6% light spectrum 18/6=3X the light usable for photosynthesis.)
Samual Hatfield Where did you get 6% I can't find any region of the visible spectrum that isn't used by either chlorophyll a/b
S - coefficient of Skepticism he's not wrong though. Maybe if governments started subsidizing electricity to these farmers like they do water for normal farms there would more of them.
So we are going to make all of this progress in sustainable energy just to piss it away making artificial light for plants? The fact is, non-vertical farmers can do way more for way less energy, labor, and cost.
Don't forget that instead of nutrients that normal farmers rotate crops in order to keep in balance, you need to constantly feed these farms with concentrated nutrients that don't exactly come from thin air.
+Samual Hatfield Uh, where did you get this?
3:01 Food production problems? Our problem is not production. It is wasting the already produced food.
Please do not waste food, people die starving out there!
People aren't starving due to food waste. People are starving due to high prices being put on food.
Someone stated that I should tell that to people in Africa... implying that people here in the U.S. aren't dying of starvation as well. I can't afford to go to Africa. Guess why. I'll give you a hint. It has something (not everything, just something) to do with the topic at hand.
@@Drakijy People are starving because they multiply like rabits.
Super Cool! I can't wait to get a rebate for one of these grows
Well...is it nutritious when it grows up only on water and oxygen meaning it doesnt get enough minerals and is given artificial environment ...plus they use reused plastic wich is actually more toxic than normal plastic....
They are more likely to be nonnutritious green blobs.
S.J. Jansen my thoughts exactly
@@mizzbella9324 indeed
Summer Barnes we are loosing essential nutrients in the name of profit disguised as green and innovative, I will definitely not buy into it we are already lacking in so many vitamins and minerals that I myself will start growing some vegetables and fruits and give away as much as possible 😃🌱
There are supplements for the plants you know?
Truth Soldier Yeah, sure. Take the pill shaped things into your body. That’ll solve everything. It’s not an extra cost and it definitely can’t be jacked up in price without warning...
Interesting, but.....when the guy said the plants are grown on reusable plastic,....well, plastic, maybe I'm getting all ruffled over nothing but, why plastic, couldn't they use some type of natural hemp fiber?
Joe Serrano Dont worry you aren't going to ingest any plastic or chemical in. Its still at its infancy. It'll get better over time.
It needs to die. It's a terrible idea and gives nutrient deficient produce and despite what they say is terrible for the environment other than saving water which give me a break. That's ridiculous lets work instead of better water purification methods instead. And many places in the world where most of the farming for the world is already done water isn't a issue like canada and new zealand.
WaterspoutsOfTheDeep p sure their secret lies in how nutrients are infused in the plants, something they left out.
Net pots have to be water resistant , if hemp fibres are used as pots (no don't go there) they have the ability to absorb water and bacteria which cannot be efficiently removed and sterilised compared to conventional plastic net pots
Hemp fibres have the ability to absorb water and bacteria which cannot efficiently removed and sterilised? Isn't there "good" and "bad" bacteria, from what little I've read up on soil and how its built up over the years, soil isn't just "dirt", its made up of living things, bacteria,fungi and a myriad of insects so small that only with the aid of a microscope can they be seen. If the natural balance of the soil, the whole life cycle is respected there is no need to fear bad bacteria.
if solar power can power that then we're on to a winner
Solar power could easily power it
Even better: Nuclear
But solar is so much easier and is 100% renewable, especially for small scale operations like this
Not as renewable as it seems when you think about all of the energy and resources that go into mining the minerals for the panels, and the energy that is required to construct the panels as well.
Even better, those human-powered cells from The Matrix
Awesome. @1:28 "cuts the growing cycle in half." It makes sense, especially when have to replenish elemental losses in the soil to makeup for overall imbalance.
And imbalance is the key to the planets survival 😋