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@TabletopTime a great way to do scales is use Green stuff worlds rollers before cutting the shape out and applying it or applying the scales with the roller before the trim.
Lorewise - it's logic that Alpharius/Omegon are size of some random Terminator. They are said to be only slightly bigger than standard Astartes, that's why they can blend and hide so well among their Legion's ranks.
@@Bass-ef3drPrimaris weren’t around until 10 thousand years afterwards and their Alpha Legion sons therefore wouldn’t have any Primaris marines so that wouldn’t cause an issue even now as Chaos doesn’t have Primaris An issue that could arise is any normal Alpha Legion subterfuge activity possibly being heavily hindered by the increasingly scarce amount of Firstborn
And I found if you want salamander scales you can make a tool for it by using extra putty and putting holes in it, I found out about this by the nurgle's dairys by miscast
I loved all the transitions where it looked like someone else was taking over and then Dave was just like “haha jk” lol. Sick model conversion and great sculpting.
Alpha Legion is my favorite legion, and I firmly believe that, while the astartes themselves don't know if they are loyal or traitor, that's because Alpharius is a traitor (who thinks he is doing what the Emperor wanted) and Omegon is a loyalist. Now just waiting for the reveal the Cypher in 40k is Omegon
I think that since alpharius is roughly the size of most Gen 1 Marines, that leads to the thought that the majority of primaris marines are way bigger than the twin primarchs
In the Alpharius Primarch Book, there is a part of the story where Alpharius uses a Custodian Guardian Spear. I don't remember if he kept the spear, but that could have been the spear to use! Also, in the book, before the Heresy, Alpharius and Omegon traded places, making Omegon Alpharius and Alpharius Omegon during the Heresy, so perhaps the Forge World mini is actually Omegon, not Alpharius, and so the model you just created might actually be Alpharius in the disguise of Omegon. Or this entire video is a joke, and that is not actually either of the primarchs, but rather, just a random terminator, saying he is Alpharius or Omegon. I love the Alpha Legion
This model is cool however my one grip with it is that it seems too bulky. I know that’s just a side effect of using new terminator plate but his shoulders just seem way too wide. Other than that great model and great vid!!!
I think its the problem with the new terminator character being a giant chungus - He is like 30% bigger than a normal terminator. Like the HH praetors - Its why i chose it for a primarch
I love love love the alpha legion and Alpharius/Omegon. I'm probably going to start collecting my first astartes just so I can paint them to be alpha legion. If I do, this video is going to be really helpful with aesthetic inspiration and painting help. So like... THANKS and stuff. I'd love to see more alpha legion stuff from you guys, but that's just my fan girliness talking.
I know you like to do 40 K Warhammer but can you do some thing else I’m a DND fan and I love dear loved your campaign. Could you do more of that? Please make more characters for that because that would be nice please😢😢😢😢
As a group of nerdy friends making stuff we often get carried away with what we are all into - and since 10th edition we've been super fixated on 40k - I'm sure the balance will shake out as we do some more broad videos soon!
Fun fact Alfarius and Omegon changed places and names, but when Alfarius who was Omegon died Alfarius who pretended to be Omegon changed his name to Alfarius in Omegon (who was pretending to be Alfarius)honor sow Alfarius is alive if they never changed places so... one of them is alive.
You're right. The OG Alpharius that was raised by Malcador and that knew all his brothers is the one that is still alive. They name swapped when they first met and Alpharius only picked the name back up once Omegon (who was going by Alpharius) died on Pluto to Rogal Dorn.
With the leviathan box, I am trying ,kinda succeeding, to make secret Alpha Legion agents hidden amongst the ranks by having 1 model of each squad mid transformation so I can have at least the arm with the chapter symbol and the head. I freaked out my friend when he saw one of these agents as part of my new terminator squad. Especially since they are suppose to be Dark Angels....
Are they dead? "It's Complicated" Were are they from? "Terra and a planet of unknown name, allegedly (both claims likely false)" "I'm confused. Really, really confused." - Adam Gilchrist, possibly "What is important is to spread confusion, not eliminate it." - Salvador Dalí, or so they say
Dave!!!!!!! For sculpting scales here's a really easy way to do it: use a tool that has a triangle tip the size and shape of the top half of the diamond shape of the scale you want, then you press in at an angle (so that the top of the triangle is more pressed in than the bottom) the tool in a repeated line, then stagger halfways the next line under it. This should create nice even line of scales with minimal adjustments needed after :)
Its my firm belief that Omegon was the traitor and dorn killed him at Pluto, while Alpharius is alive and loyal. My reasoning coming from the Alpharius primarch book. Alpharius was found first and raised by the Emperor on Terra and understood his ideals better than any other primarch. Omegon was found last by Alpharius and was more removed from Imperial ideals. I addition, due to being found first, the Emperor and Malcador taught Alpharius to keep himself secret and operate the background of the Alpha Legion. And at the end of the book, Alpharius says as much to his twin, and they switch places, having Omegon be "found" by Horus and claiming he was Alpharius. And in the book Legion, "Omegon" is introduced walking through Imperial security while remaining unidentified as it cant detect him. In conclusion: Omegon posed as Alpharius, the face of the Alpha Legion, and died in the Horus Heresy, while Alpharius, posing Omegon, is still out there and loyal, trying to use the loyal and traitorous elements of his Legion to help the Imperium however he can. And i know all of this, because I am, in fact, Alpharius.
i've seen a lot of ppl do amazing stuff with 'blue stuff' it works great from impressions. seen dozens of tutorials where the use it to take impressions, the last one being the shoulder aquilla. they applied the blue stuff to an aquillaed shoulder pad, allowed the blue stuff to harden and then used greenstuff to clone the aquilla then superglued it to a bare shoulder pad(after trimming and cleaning it up ofc). from what i understand the blue stuff is reusable too, ya just need to warm/heat it. perhaps next time try to see if you could make a scale 'stamp' of sorts, by blue stuffing the surface of alpharius' armour...i wish i had the confidence and motor skills to work green stuff like you tho...AMAZING job dude ...hope that made sense, might take a few times reading it...that dual plasma gun is dope
The amount of Alpha Legion Jokes is amazing, made laugh several times. He turned out great! Wow! Now I wanna keep working on MY own Al' Legion! Legion of Al!
There is an Omegon model. It's an Alpharius model. They're identical twins. Truth be told, any 30K Alpha Legion model would work, as the twins blended in with their Legions.
Wouldn't it be right to just show us the alpharion mini and say it's Omegon? I mean, you could have even went with "any marine". A beakie would have done nicely. But in all seriousness, it's very nice. The scales look pretty good in all honesty, even perfect from some angles. Would it be doable to cut the scales out from resin or greenstuff and than segment them onto the model? I would assume you would have to embed them into a layer of greenstuff or something similar.
I know this is old, but realistically for the best scales you should just roll out thin strips of green stuff and literally cut the scales out and add them to the surface piece by piece. Which sounds like a nightmare.
For small castings you can suck up your resin or polyurethane into a syringe, block the end with your finger, with the syringe pointing upwards draw back and it creates a vacuum inside the syringe which brings all your bubbles to the to. Slowly release the plunger and you can inject the resin/polyurethane into your mould
Sculpting scales: you start from the lowermost: take triangular-tipped sculpting tool and pressthe tip to create a row oftriangular indents. The raised putty between the indents is the lowest row of scales. Now create another row above them, in a criss-cross pattern, and flatten the resulting scales. repeat with the row above and so on.
This Omegon model is really well done, it looks awesome. You don’t mind if I make a replica of it for myself right? The model is just too well made for me not to make it.
Actually to be honest The Alpharius we know in the books is actually the real Omegon Because in the new Alpharius book when they met each other they switched names so the model of alpharius is actually the real Omegon and Omegon was actually the real alpharius
Alpha Legion marines were always taller than their cousin legions' astartes, and their primarch(s) are closer to the height of their legionaries; thus, everyone is Alpharius Omegon.
Funny enough the pale spear is a weapon of unknown origin found by omegon. That later was used as the symbol of the primarch. Other option would be to use a guardian spear from custodes
brilliant work I myself have an entire army of space Marines, in Alpha legion colours and play them as chaos maybe they are loyalist or maybe their just really good at pretending
*gets excited at mention of ahriman* (From a user of an underrated legion, Magnus did nothing wrong apart from banishing ahriman, and I don’t care if it was just a paint)
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@TabletopTime a great way to do scales is use Green stuff worlds rollers before cutting the shape out and applying it or applying the scales with the roller before the trim.
There is a great yet old tutorial by Pete the wargammer
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I use a wire mesh strainer for pasta that I cut up and just push it into my sculpt. Works a treat👍
Lorewise - it's logic that Alpharius/Omegon are size of some random Terminator. They are said to be only slightly bigger than standard Astartes, that's why they can blend and hide so well among their Legion's ranks.
Are they bigger than primaris size or fistborn size.
Because that might give them a problem blending.
@@Bass-ef3dr Alpha Legion were generally larger than most other space marines so they could be the size of primaris
@@Bass-ef3drPrimaris weren’t around until 10 thousand years afterwards and their Alpha Legion sons therefore wouldn’t have any Primaris marines so that wouldn’t cause an issue even now as Chaos doesn’t have Primaris
An issue that could arise is any normal Alpha Legion subterfuge activity possibly being heavily hindered by the increasingly scarce amount of Firstborn
Worth noting is that the Alpha Legion Astartes are also a bit larger than average, as well.
@@Selvanusthats the point. If they where bigger than primaris marines and where surrounded by "normal" (bigger) marines it would still be an issue
For my scales I used a metal sculpting tool as the grips are the perfect size for the scales, just use it as a roller.
Was just coming to say this!
And I found if you want salamander scales you can make a tool for it by using extra putty and putting holes in it, I found out about this by the nurgle's dairys by miscast
I think they could 3D print some texture tools with texture-specific heads. Don't get me wrong, I mean, I totally respect his toothpick work lol😂
I loved all the transitions where it looked like someone else was taking over and then Dave was just like “haha jk” lol. Sick model conversion and great sculpting.
Cool special effects!
It's fun to see how which each video the sculpting is getting more detailed and ambitious.
“I am Omegon!”
~A slightly slow Alpha Legionnaire
As someone that is just starting the hobby its really inspiring to see how you change models, as i want to be creative and make fun stuff!
Do thecbrwad/cake trick . After you get the silicon in you slam the form on something hard or use massager to get the air bubbles out
This is one of the best conversations I’ve ever seen.
Looks just like me. I approve.
OMG this is just insane! Please more crazy conversios
You could do a really cool 'just shot' paintjob on the gun there. Really hot barrels and really hot coils, with a nice backblast sort of approach.
Yeah, that was a ton of sculpting. Good job!
2:34 *music breaks musicly* based subtitlles
Pete the Wargamer might be impressed by this conversion, even more if you had added more Dead Animal Bits™.
Alpha Legion is my favorite legion, and I firmly believe that, while the astartes themselves don't know if they are loyal or traitor, that's because Alpharius is a traitor (who thinks he is doing what the Emperor wanted) and Omegon is a loyalist. Now just waiting for the reveal the Cypher in 40k is Omegon
I think that since alpharius is roughly the size of most Gen 1 Marines, that leads to the thought that the majority of primaris marines are way bigger than the twin primarchs
I really love your conversion.
In the Alpharius Primarch Book, there is a part of the story where Alpharius uses a Custodian Guardian Spear. I don't remember if he kept the spear, but that could have been the spear to use!
Also, in the book, before the Heresy, Alpharius and Omegon traded places, making Omegon Alpharius and Alpharius Omegon during the Heresy, so perhaps the Forge World mini is actually Omegon, not Alpharius, and so the model you just created might actually be Alpharius in the disguise of Omegon. Or this entire video is a joke, and that is not actually either of the primarchs, but rather, just a random terminator, saying he is Alpharius or Omegon.
I love the Alpha Legion
dude!! that looks awsome!!! freaking great work... makes me want to tern traitor marine??
Is it Alpharion?
Is it Omegon?
IT'S GORK! (Or Mor- oh, dangit... it's not gonna end, is it?)
Very nice work, overall. Oh, also, I am Alpharius. ;)
This model is cool however my one grip with it is that it seems too bulky. I know that’s just a side effect of using new terminator plate but his shoulders just seem way too wide. Other than that great model and great vid!!!
I think its the problem with the new terminator character being a giant chungus - He is like 30% bigger than a normal terminator. Like the HH praetors - Its why i chose it for a primarch
I love love love the alpha legion and Alpharius/Omegon. I'm probably going to start collecting my first astartes just so I can paint them to be alpha legion. If I do, this video is going to be really helpful with aesthetic inspiration and painting help. So like... THANKS and stuff. I'd love to see more alpha legion stuff from you guys, but that's just my fan girliness talking.
I'm here
And yes I do like terminator armour
Frickin' finally, the amount of people that forget about Omegon is baffling, but then again I suppose we are all Alpharius...
I know you like to do 40 K Warhammer but can you do some thing else I’m a DND fan and I love dear loved your campaign. Could you do more of that? Please make more characters for that because that would be nice please😢😢😢😢
As a group of nerdy friends making stuff we often get carried away with what we are all into - and since 10th edition we've been super fixated on 40k - I'm sure the balance will shake out as we do some more broad videos soon!
Short kings
No i am Alpharius
Bout time the alpha legion got some attention, even though their whole point is not drawing attention...
Hydra dominatus
No. I am Alpharius
Not a fan of Omeglon not having a neck nor being able to move his head due to the antenna and head ornament.
The unconverted model is just Omegon in disguise.
The converted model is also Omegon in disguised
Do you mean Alpharius?
The true artist merely uncovers the form within the marble
or is it alpharius?
Given how Alpharias was the shortest primarch, it makes sense a terminator could match him.
Short King
And had general larger marines
Especially a Primaris sized terminator
They are said to be able to augment their size so he could be short and the next time you see him he could be tall
Fun fact Alfarius and Omegon changed places and names, but when Alfarius who was Omegon died Alfarius who pretended to be Omegon changed his name to Alfarius in Omegon (who was pretending to be Alfarius)honor sow Alfarius is alive if they never changed places so...
one of them is alive.
You're right. The OG Alpharius that was raised by Malcador and that knew all his brothers is the one that is still alive. They name swapped when they first met and Alpharius only picked the name back up once Omegon (who was going by Alpharius) died on Pluto to Rogal Dorn.
I love the conversion, this vid has made me want to start collecting alpha legion, keep up the good work Dave!
Join the unbroken chain! Hydra Dominatus
I wasn't sure if you would reply, thanks for taking the time to. I am excited to see more content like this, you did amazing!
It's been really cool to see Dave's sculpting only to continue to improve
Looks amazing, really hoping to hear more about the Alpha Legion in 10e.
This seems like a Pete the Wargammer video concept
It is! Pete is an amazing creator, and Dave loves conversions, why not!
@@TabletopTime neato!
Or is it Alpharius? ..... No it's Omegon! ..... Or is it???
It was Dave, in a mask, all along
With the leviathan box, I am trying ,kinda succeeding, to make secret Alpha Legion agents hidden amongst the ranks by having 1 model of each squad mid transformation so I can have at least the arm with the chapter symbol and the head. I freaked out my friend when he saw one of these agents as part of my new terminator squad. Especially since they are suppose to be Dark Angels....
Your sculpting has really gone to another level recently, Dave. Fantastic work
They should make a unit for 40k which is literally like 5 terminators called Alpharius Omegon
Now that was a quick click for me ... (I love your custom armies and I love you taking time with them - even if its just fleshing out infantry squads)
Didn’t see who uploaded this, figured it was a Pete the Wargamer video. Needless to say, pleasantly surprised to see Murray.
Are they dead?
"It's Complicated"
Were are they from?
"Terra and a planet of unknown name, allegedly
(both claims likely false)"
"I'm confused. Really, really confused."
- Adam Gilchrist, possibly
"What is important is to spread confusion, not eliminate it."
- Salvador Dalí, or so they say
▶9:11 *🔎MAGNIFYING--LAMP💡* works great to *_Illuminate & Magnify_* while Sculpting ;-)
Man I wanted to join your guild, but its already full. It has only been 4 hours...
Please convert a HORUS CLONE!!!!
The secret loyalist while having the head of a dark angel on his spikes
Hydra Dominautis
If you want to make scales or large amounts of specific texture you should make a little texture roller
Hey can I ask? Is Table Top Time Aspirants legit? Is it your guy's guild?
That's a guild made from discord community members who couldn't fit in the main guild just yet. Kind-of a waiting list, but technically unofficial
Idea for scales: sequins or beads-tiny, cheapish, and Bill Making Stuff approved
New variant unlocked: Davharius
Outstanding modeling Dave, it looks brilliant. Looks like could easily be a real GW model.
Dave!!!!!!! For sculpting scales here's a really easy way to do it: use a tool that has a triangle tip the size and shape of the top half of the diamond shape of the scale you want, then you press in at an angle (so that the top of the triangle is more pressed in than the bottom) the tool in a repeated line, then stagger halfways the next line under it. This should create nice even line of scales with minimal adjustments needed after :)
Wow, I (maybe) really like this! (Possibly) Another great job!
Yes the Leviathan Terminator Captain is a very good Captain with nothing to hide at all.
ALPHA LEGION SUPREMACY
Hydra Dominatus
Excellent sculpt and paintjob, also top quality video editing too with the running jokes. Hydra Dominatus!
Bold of you to say that omegon is chaos
Omegon or Alpharius...
Its my firm belief that Omegon was the traitor and dorn killed him at Pluto, while Alpharius is alive and loyal. My reasoning coming from the Alpharius primarch book. Alpharius was found first and raised by the Emperor on Terra and understood his ideals better than any other primarch. Omegon was found last by Alpharius and was more removed from Imperial ideals. I addition, due to being found first, the Emperor and Malcador taught Alpharius to keep himself secret and operate the background of the Alpha Legion. And at the end of the book, Alpharius says as much to his twin, and they switch places, having Omegon be "found" by Horus and claiming he was Alpharius. And in the book Legion, "Omegon" is introduced walking through Imperial security while remaining unidentified as it cant detect him. In conclusion: Omegon posed as Alpharius, the face of the Alpha Legion, and died in the Horus Heresy, while Alpharius, posing Omegon, is still out there and loyal, trying to use the loyal and traitorous elements of his Legion to help the Imperium however he can. And i know all of this, because I am, in fact, Alpharius.
i've seen a lot of ppl do amazing stuff with 'blue stuff' it works great from impressions. seen dozens of tutorials where the use it to take impressions, the last one being the shoulder aquilla. they applied the blue stuff to an aquillaed shoulder pad, allowed the blue stuff to harden and then used greenstuff to clone the aquilla then superglued it to a bare shoulder pad(after trimming and cleaning it up ofc). from what i understand the blue stuff is reusable too, ya just need to warm/heat it. perhaps next time try to see if you could make a scale 'stamp' of sorts, by blue stuffing the surface of alpharius' armour...i wish i had the confidence and motor skills to work green stuff like you tho...AMAZING job dude
...hope that made sense, might take a few times reading it...that dual plasma gun is dope
UGH what clickbait! He said he was going to paint Omegon, but he CLEARLY painted Alpharius. UNSUBSCRIBED
The amount of Alpha Legion Jokes is amazing, made laugh several times.
He turned out great! Wow! Now I wanna keep working on MY own Al' Legion!
Legion of Al!
There is an Omegon model. It's an Alpharius model. They're identical twins. Truth be told, any 30K Alpha Legion model would work, as the twins blended in with their Legions.
Wouldn't it be right to just show us the alpharion mini and say it's Omegon? I mean, you could have even went with "any marine". A beakie would have done nicely.
But in all seriousness, it's very nice. The scales look pretty good in all honesty, even perfect from some angles.
Would it be doable to cut the scales out from resin or greenstuff and than segment them onto the model? I would assume you would have to embed them into a layer of greenstuff or something similar.
I know this is old, but realistically for the best scales you should just roll out thin strips of green stuff and literally cut the scales out and add them to the surface piece by piece.
Which sounds like a nightmare.
For small castings you can suck up your resin or polyurethane into a syringe, block the end with your finger, with the syringe pointing upwards draw back and it creates a vacuum inside the syringe which brings all your bubbles to the to. Slowly release the plunger and you can inject the resin/polyurethane into your mould
If you want to get better into casting, watch Robert Tolone. Dude can cast himself into model making heaven. Seriously.
Sculpting scales: you start from the lowermost: take triangular-tipped sculpting tool and pressthe tip to create a row oftriangular indents. The raised putty between the indents is the lowest row of scales. Now create another row above them, in a criss-cross pattern, and flatten the resulting scales. repeat with the row above and so on.
Little tip for Omega symbols. Ultramarines are covered in them. Just turn them upside down.
This Omegon model is really well done, it looks awesome. You don’t mind if I make a replica of it for myself right? The model is just too well made for me not to make it.
Actually to be honest The Alpharius we know in the books is actually the real Omegon Because in the new Alpharius book when they met each other they switched names so the model of alpharius is actually the real Omegon and Omegon was actually the real alpharius
Correction: the black armor was used by the Effrit Stealth Squad, not by the first company with the Terminator armor.
Alpha Legion marines were always taller than their cousin legions' astartes, and their primarch(s) are closer to the height of their legionaries; thus, everyone is Alpharius Omegon.
new to the hobby and learning the lore but your "alpharius reveal" was so funny I'm gonna check out more of your videos
Funny enough the pale spear is a weapon of unknown origin found by omegon. That later was used as the symbol of the primarch. Other option would be to use a guardian spear from custodes
brilliant work I myself have an entire army of space Marines, in Alpha legion colours and play them as chaos maybe they are loyalist or maybe their just really good at pretending
Very cool, but I prefer a cleaner look without the trophy rack. It makes it too busy and pulls attention away from all the sculpting work you did.
I honestly feel you're too self-deprecating when it comes to evaluating your own work - the sculpting you did looked marvelous to me
*gets excited at mention of ahriman*
(From a user of an underrated legion, Magnus did nothing wrong apart from banishing ahriman, and I don’t care if it was just a paint)
"Omegon (...) His model doesn't exist"
Every space marine model is an Omegon model
Look at you… with your fancy GW licensed product sponsor. Haven’t youiuuu done well
OMG it's happening! I'm not freaking out you are!
Hydra Dominatus
Alpha legion are my favorite traitor legion. (I say traitor because in true Alpha legion style they are very inconsistent in their allegiances.)
How abou you build Ork gargant like Ork you have da kit and no plan and go around looting peaces from others.
From what I recall, Omegon „served” as a terminator captain during the Great Crusade
God I hope we get a BatRep with him some homebrew rules. PLEASE DAVE
@12:23- add some talc, this will prevent those bubbles at the end of fine detail with out needing a pressure chamber.
Omegon is actually the one who died in the heresy, they switched places in the alpharius primarch book
Nah, that's not Omegon. I even heard him say: -"I am Alpharius."
The only thing I don't care for are the trophy racks. It seems too gaudy even for a primarch.
In the lore now wasnt the whole hh omegon playing alpharius so alpharius is actually still alive?….also this amazing
I love the "let's be as blatant and obvious as possible" naming conventions of (old) GW.
Press green stuff or similar against scales (with oil or a release agent). Dry. Now either cut and use as a stamp or as a mould.
Definitely should have painted up the tyranid heads As hive Fleet jotun
im very surprised that he did all that sculpting just with a toohtpick, bravo