Similarities Between Kurdish and Luri (Bakhtiari dialect)
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- Опубликовано: 24 июн 2023
- In this episode, we compare some of the many similarities between Kurdish and Luri (Bakhtiari dialect), with Zehra and Baha as the Kurdish speakers representing both the Sorani and Kurmanji dialects, and Koorosh and Ali, as the Luri Bakhtiari speakers, comparing a list of words and sentences.
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Kurdish and Luri are both classified as Western Iranian languages within the Indo-Iranian branch of the Indo-European language family. It should be noted that both are divided into different dialects. In this video, both the Northern Kurdish (Kurmanji) and Central Kurdish (Sorani) dialects are represented.
The Kurdish language (Kurdî / کوردی) is mainly divided into three groups. Northern Kurdish (Kurmanji) is the largest, spoken in Turkey, Syria, northern Iraq, and northwest and northeast Iran. Central Kurdish (Sorani) is primarily spoken in Iraqi Kurdistan and the Iranian Kurdistan Province. Southern Kurdish (Pehlewani) is, for the most part, spoken in Kermanshah and Ilam provinces of Iran and in the Khanaqin district of eastern Iraq.
Literary Kurdish works have been written extensively in Kurmanji and Sorani, as well Pehlewani, Zaza, and Gorani (Hawrami), with many famous poets, such as Mela Huseynê Bateyî, Malaye Jaziri (Nîşanî), Faqi Tayran (Feqiyê Teyran), Ahmad Khani (Ehmedê Xanî), and Mahmud Bayazidi who wrote in the Kurmancî dialect; Nalî (نالی), Haji Qadir Koyi (Hacî Qadirî Koyî), Sheikh Riza Talabani (شێخ ڕەزای تاڵەبانی), Mahwi (مەحوی) who wrote in the Sorani dialect.
Luri (لٛۏری / لُرِی) is a Southwestern Iranian language and is considered the closest living language to Archaic and Middle Persian. It is divided into different dialects, Central Luri, Bakhtiari, and Southern Luri. In this video, we are focusing on the Bakhtiari (بختیاری) dialect. Northern Luri is primarily spoken in the Iranian province of Luristan, as well as parts of Hamadan, Ilam, Markazi provinces. Central Luri (Bakhtiari) is used by Bakhtiari people in Luristan, Chaharmahal and Bakhtiari province, significant regions of the Khuzestan province, and some parts of the Isfahan province. Southern Luri is spoken in the province of Kohgiluyeh and Boyer-Ahmad, some parts of the provinces of Fars, Bushehr, and Khuzestan. It is important to note that while these are the main areas where Luri is spoken, there are significant communities residing in other parts of Iran.
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really was a great session
Loved this a lot ❤
You should do a video with different Persian dialects of southern and western Iran.
Luri is a Persian dialect.
“Luri is descendant of middle Persian Pahlavi. Luri (Northern Luri: لری, Southern Luri: لری) is a Southwestern Iranian language continuum spoken by the Lur people, an Iranian people native to Western Asia. The Luri dialects are descended from Middle Persian and are Central Luri, Bakhtiari,[3][5] and Southern Luri.[3][5] “
@@tannazmehrdadi8774luri is a Persian dialect not kurdish
Can you do new Persian and Luri comparison? It be interesting since both are descendant of middle Persian Pahlavi.
I am Bakhtiyari Lur and Kurds are our brothers. We used to be 1 people 1,000 years ago but split into Lurs and Kurds a long time ago. Still retain similar ways of life, warrior culture, language as you can see!
All right
Ez ji Sûriyê, ji bajarê Efrînê me, kurd im, haitî me, min hemû gotinên wî fêm kir, ferqa di navbera zaravayan de hindik e, spas xwişk û birayên min.
Yes 😍🦁🦅
Goh nagou madar jendeh, us lurs are descendant of Persians not kirds and kirds cant understand us. Kirds dont even have one language but 8.
Us lurs speak a middle Persian dialect not kirdish nor re we the same people.
Kurds and lurs is same, I dont know why they split in two, I think it is because of other groups dont want kurds be together
It was the persian shah who Split lur from kurdish people . The shah of persia even tried to make Kurdish people as subgroup of persian Nation .
But lur are kurds . Even the Arab Scholars Had written in their books That Lurs are Kurdish people Like Sorani , Bahdini and Kurmanci
من لر بختیاری هستم درخانه وشهرمان همه لری صحبت میکنیم ولی فارسی را زبان اول خودمان میدانیم واجدادمان علاوه بر محفل قرآنی شاهنامه خوانی هفتگی در منازل خود داشتند عشقمان همیشه ایران است قبلاً این را همیشه میگویم ما لرل ایدونیم هیجا سیمون می ایران نیابو ایران دی و.بومونه موقی که تیه لمونه واز کردیم خومونه من ایران دیدیم تیه لمونه بی خه کش سیرمه اینیم
Yes, Persians (modern day Iranians) have done this to assimilate and minimize the Kurds, otherwise 100 years ago no Luri would have lost his original identity as a Kurd.
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دو نکته را فراموش نکن
۱- بحثهای علمی و تاریخی و هویتی منافی ایرانی بودن نیست
۲- اینکه ما فارسی صحبت می کنیم ناشی از تغییراتی هست که ۱۰۰ پیش شروع شد و شاهنامه خوانی هم از همان ۱۵۰ سال پیش با حضور دراویش و مقاله خوانها و خوانین دورکی در دوره قاجار رواج یافت
@@user-gz3uo6qq2g Not just Lurs and Kurds are similar, but also Persian is the same, these languages are all were only one language before the Arab (Muslim) invasion the homeland. If you try to learn Persian you definitely will figure it out. I am a Kurd and do speak Persian too.
Lur are Kurdish people . Persian Shah tried to split Iranic people and make them to persian .
It was the Shah of Persia who split Lur from Kurdish identity
Realy great job Bahador, it was a pleasure to be part of the video
It was so beautiful to be part of this video. Thank you Bahador.
You have done a superb job Zehra 👏🏻👏🏻
Dest û Dengê te xweş Xwşkê Zehra Bijî Kurd û Kurdistan
💚☀️❤️☝🏻
Her bijî xwuska delal!
👏🏼👏🏼
Great job Zehra jan 🤗🤗❤
Thank you for this video Bahador. I have been waiting for a Bakhtiari video!
Wow! There's always something new. Very educational. Thanks everyone.
This is amazing to watch there are so many words are like in balochi like sohr,amsaya,nehli,rang,speh,merd,and many more words similar we use in Balochistan ❤
Thank you for the show brother❤❤❤❤
Amazing! Enjoyed every moment of this! Everyone did such a great job. What a wonderful way to highlight Bakhtiari and connect. Much love and respect for the Kurds and Lurs!
Lurs are Persians and our language descendant of middle Persian Pahlavi
@@KoroushRPso what are trying to say or tell us ??? Please explain more
@@KoroushRP we are Lurs and our language is Luri
@@user-td3tp6yo1k Ignore the 🤡Kurush. He is a Tehrani susul. He is NOT Lur, just Persian born in Tehran. Lurs are Iranic but not Persian and never were. Our capital in Charmahalo Bakhtiyar is called Shahre Kord it means Kurdish city. The culture, language, lifestyle were always different. Whenever I visit Turkey, I am always asked on the streets if I am Kurd (I have green eyes black hair descent features).
@@IranLurwe are same people, call us kurd, lur, mede, zagroasian whatever. But we are really same , language, culture, history, traditions, food so much big connections.
Thank you so much, wonderful conversation.
As an Afghan I understand everything
You understand Farsi not Kurdish
لری بختیاری زبان اولیه ما ایرانیان در زمان هخامنشیان بود و هنوز در مرکز و بویژه در غرب و جنوب غربی ایران با لهجه های مختلف رواج دارد. بسیار به فارسی پهلوی و اوستایی نزدیک است.
@@Par100milyon
دلیلی برای گفته هایتان وجود ندارد، اینها رواج تبلیغات هویت سازی هست. تمام زبانهای موجود در ایران کلماتی نزدیک به زبانهای قدیمی ایران دارند
Kudos to all of you! Bahador thank you for creating this lovely content.😍🥇👑❤️
I am Baloch from Pakistan. Lor is Kurd. Kurdish Baloch talysh manzandrani gilaki is one Nation alhamdulillah ❤
Astounding and unbelievable notification to receive. 👏🏻👌👌
Id like to see more videos about comparisons within iranian group of languages.
5 intellectual people in one video. It was amazing! Thank you again for your excellent contents Bahador!
Great synergy, I loved how each participant would refrain from interrupting the others in spite of his/her own excitement. And Zehra, special thanks to you from a compatriot of yours, all the best guys :)
as a sorani speaker i understood the kurmanji %100 but bruv the other two!😂 i’ve always thought luri would be similar to sorani
Luri Khorram Abadi is like Kurdish
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This was nice to see 🙂
This is so cool! as a Bakhtiari I loved this a lot! If you were looking for a Khuzestani volunteer I'll be definitely there!
Luri is descendant of Persian Pahlavi.
@@KoroushRPhehe really? Hahahaha look dna and history who lurs are :) and look at pahlavi language you will understand what it is and what it was… analyze the 7 great houses of parthians whos state language officially was pahlavi you will understand that lors never existed they were and are just a part of great kurdish tribe GORAN… iranian state is just lying on your identity cause they need you trolls against kurdish history… nobody interests who lors are only iranian state :)
Ignore the 🤡Kurush. He is a Tehrani susul. He is NOT Lur, just Persian born in Tehran. Lurs are Iranic but not Persian and never were. Our capital in Charmahalo Bakhtiyar is called Shahre Kord it means Kurdish city. The culture, language, lifestyle were always different. Whenever I visit Turkey, I am always asked on the streets if I am Kurd (I have green eyes black hair descent features).
@@KoroushRPluri is a changed language influenced by Persian in the region khuzi language was once talked
@@IranLur
So are lurs Kurds or no they're not?
I was waiting to see a video about Luri language in this channel
Luca is known as iranian Arabic. sometimes known as Turkish
It was fascinating!
Dank u wel
Zor Spas
Thank you ❤❤
As a Bakhtiari Lur I really loved the video and I was actually waiting for it. I also loved the two Bakhtiari guys especially Ali who was really quick to understand all the words. Thank you guys ❤️✌🏽
Luri is a Persian dialect. Luri is descendant of middle Persian Pahlavi.
کورو ته چی گی سی خوت
@@KoroushRPفارسی پهلوی در اصل کردی اورامی هست تحقیق کن
@@Shahpoorsasani6798 خفه شو گی مفت نخه لیوه پنگه ای
@@KoroushRP😂😂
Hi Bahador please do a comparison video Arabic and Pashto that would be really interesting to see.
That was so interesting.
Could you do similarity between Burmese and Chinese, because they are from the same language family which means their related, but I haven’t heard enough of the similarities between them, so I want to find out more! Good video as always.❤😊
I’m cantonese and I have many Burmese friends😂 and I’ve also noticed some similarities I thought it was just a coincidence though. I would love to see a future video dedicated to this comment.
@@hlawnimawi8205yeah I hope the creator sees this I really wanna see a video like that, lots of love to my Chinese people❤️🇨🇳
We are family separated by borders and politics🇲🇲🇨🇳
@@jonahkio3859 so true 💯
Thank you so much guys (specially you dear Bahador) for the amazing content.
I speak both Bakhtiari Luri and Persian. One of the things I found interesting is that although I was born in Masjed Soleyman, my pronunciations are actually way closer to Koorosh compared to Ali (a fellow Masjed Soleymani). The other thing I wanted to mention is that Ali’s view on the whole transition between different Iranic languages is something I’ve always believed in, maybe it’s a bit more clear for someone who speaks a language not belonging to the extreme ends of the spectrum, but somewhere in the middle. I (in my humble opinion) believe Luri speakers for example, can easily see the high level of similarity between Persian and Sorani Kurdish since their language is close to both, something the speakers of either of the respective languages may have a harder time realizing themselves.
One last thing I would like to mention is that we oftentimes forget the existence of different dialects and accents when it comes to Persian, since the language has a widely influential standardized form. But since I was born in the province of Khuzestan, I know many of the words mentioned here also exist in Khuzestani Persian (or are at least known by Khuzestani Persian speakers). Likewise the people of Bushehr, Fars, Hormozgan, Kerman, etc., are also familiar with these words to varying degrees. If we also bring these less thought of dialects and accents into consideration, we can easily spot the smooth transition from one end of the spectrum to the other. The Iranic connection is super strong.
@hosseinshahni For me, as a native Slovak speakor, can you afford to me tips to learn Persian language?
Because lurs dialects are not dependent on what city they are from it is dependent on what, tribe and clan they belong to.
Luri is a Persian dialect is why. Luri is descendant of middle Persian Pahlavi.
@@KoroushRPstop trying to persianize everyting
@@samb1027 says the kird lol. None wants to be a kird.
good job guys
Badini kurdish and baxtiari is kinda similar you should do a comparison video❤️
In farsi also say: Dar o derakht (tree) and Ru be ru (face to face)
Good to know about similarities between Kurdish and Luri
Luri is a Persian dialect, it has bery little in common with kurdish, which itself is made up of 8 languages.
Lur is one of Kurdish dialect and has nothing with Persian so stop lying to yourself
This is great thank you for Sharing ✌️☺️from Mahabad❤️☀️💚
Thx Mr alast.
I have found 2 pushto wird’s between them.
What a rich, colorful and powerful language we Kurds have, let's not lose its, because that language is the black box of the arian language and culture.
😂😂😂
In Urdu we also use the word merd (مرد) for husband and male both .
2) we also dargah (درگاہ)
3)We also use the word درخت for tree
4) we also use Dadi for grandmother دادی
5) we also said surkh سورخ for red colour
We also said رنگ for colour
We also said hamsaya or ہمسایہ for neighbours
We use sar سر for head in Urdu
Dude many similarities with Urdu
yes, Urdu is the persianised register of Hindustani, which basically mean's it's adapted much vocab from persian. But particularly in mofre formal speech.
@@anonymouslyopinionated656 lol 😂😁😁😁 urdu word originate from the Turkish word Ordo which mean army ) in Urdu we said lashkari zuban means mixture of different languages like Persian has huge influence I think 50 urdu is made of Persian and even urdu language, Arabic and Turkish even some word of Uzbek script is different from Hindi language . Secondly Hindi language influence by Urdu language not Urdu influence by Hindi both languages script is completely different. In old or ancient India or Indian speak Sanskrit which even now at that widely speaking in India in political leaders speak Sanskrit their hindu religious figures or monks speak Sanskrit and in school or educational institution they Sanskrit is mandatory which you called Hindi/ Sanskrit and Sanskrit is influenced by URDU language after Muslims dynasty Muslims dynasty comes .
@@yareman5596 Ordo means camp, as in camping, encampment, and not army. It is intruduced to urdu from persian, as all other words with arabic or turkish origini. Ordo is mongolian origin.. Rekhta is the origin of Urdu and that means mixed, Lashkari zaban means the language of the army.
@@kefkahkefkah sorry 😁😂😂😂 Ordo use for army or camps Urdu word originate from the Turkish word and ancient name of urdu was rekhta which is also a Persian by Ustad Ibrahim zouq was popular identity of that who alot on this
The ریختہ has a big history but you no knowledge obviously this is my national our primary education start in so we study from the start . But there is no connection between khadi or bethi boli 😂😁😁.
Lashkari or لشکری is urdu or Persian common use in ancient time for qabilas or groups that why urdu called as lashkari because urdu language made up of Lashkar of language means made of different languages like Arabic and Persian and Uzbek and Turkish.
@@yareman5596 I speak both urdu and farsi, i have lived over ten years in karachi lyhari, so i do indeed have knowledge. The turkish words in Urdu is minimal, all uzbeks and turks used persian to communicate in Historic India, and like all arabic words in urdu the turkish words have entered through farsi. Ordo the word is the oriigin for the english word Horde, and its mongolian in origin.
Thanks👍💐
Bahador are you able to find someone to do the Herati Persian dialect from Afghanistan?
Bahador please do a video with all Zagros languages - e.g. comparing Laki or northern Luri with Sorani Kurdish, Feyli or Kalhori.
ملت زاگرس لهجه های زیادی دارد
مادها
Luri is Persian not kurdish
Interesting! Thank you and Greetings from a Swede 🇸🇪 who do not speak your language at all (except from some Words, like besteni, Ganmashami, and azizm (sorry for the wrong spelling) 😀
Those are not Swedish words either. Are you a Lur?
Hey Bahadur..
When will you do a video about Urdu? I want to participate..
Dazed!! Awesomeness!
ALLAH BLESS THE SPEAKERS
Lori understands South Kurdish, they can talk to each other,Some historians such as Sharaf Khan of Badlisi, Ibn Hawqal and many other Arab historians consider Lore to be Kurdish, but some do not
But there is very strong evidence that he is a Kurd
No, they can't
They're Shi'a
@@muzaffarhaider5764 OK, so what? Still kurds, not Iranians
@@kurdekibedin1347actually its true. Lurs understand south kurdish extremly easily
@@kurdekibedin1347 I didn't say Irani. I said Shi'a. I'm not Irani but I'm proud Shi'a.
Very interesting and cool. I have never heard about Luri Bakhtiari.
Both are not interesting :) just bakhtiari good brave people with honour.. lur people weak people with no honour just lying people
@@KurdeQonya Lurs in Charmahalo Bakhtiyar are called Bakhtiyari Lurs. understand?
@@KurdeQonyaبی شرف تویی هزار پدر عوضی🤢🤮🖕🏻
@@IranLurمگه فقط چهار محال و بختیاری لر بختیاری داره؟لرستان ، چهار محال و خوزستان
13:48 I think the flower you're referring to is chamomile, in Arabic it's بابونج
That's so wondrous
Luri should be more close to Sorani than Kurmanci due to they are closer to each other
But here the opposite
Sorani is essentially Southern Kurmanji with Southern Kurdish (Gurani, Fayli, Kalhor) influence. Many words retained in Kurmanji are more closer to their origin than say in Sorani, and this also goes the same for Sorani having some words closer to its origin. Can you elaborate on your point with an example?
Because it was Southern luri( bakhtiari) which is closer to persian . Northern luri dialects are closer to surani .
کوردی و لوری دو زبون جدا از همن چه ربطی دارن به هم ، شما کوردا خیلی حال بهم زنید
As someone who studied both languages and their dialects kalhori is more like
Southern Luri (Boyer Ahmadi, mamsani....) than the other dialects of luri
keep dreaming
Lor and Lak and Bextiyare and Kurmanc and Soran and Zaza and Kelhûr are all Kurds❤
@@SheroalKurdi96 Shut up.
@@SheroalKurdi96not true I’m kurd I treat my luri ppl as my blood brothers,we all iranic but no same tribe , love lur , Lak , soran goran kurmanj Persian tajik , mazindarani talysh
@@Sanandaj196 no such thing as "iranic"
In Pashto language also “mera” means husband but the “r” sound is different. Also, “sur” means red, “shin” green and “speen” means white in Pashto. And in my Farsi dialect of Afghanistan, “ru” means face.
That was great. Good similarities between accents. I sow the Farsi and dary and achmi, they hardly understand achmi while they saying the achmi is the origin of Farsi
Lurs are Kurdish as written in Kurdish literature. Those lingual differences would disappear in a statehood. Thanks for such a well done video!
Lors are not Kurds, but we are related like all Iranians
Lor are Kurds and Kurds are Lor💚☀️❤️
Lur is lur.
@@SheroalKurdi96 Yes in your Dream
😂😂 lier and poor people. #kords
Hello, I am Persian from Bushehr city, our Farsi accent is very close to Lori's, we also use many of the words that our friends use in the video.

because half of bushehr is Lurs and the language there is a mix between luri and farsi
شمال بوشهر جزو مناطق لر بوده، نه تنها زبون شما بلکه فرهنگ تونم شبیه هست راجع به لر های بوشهر تحقیق کنید.
عزیزم شما لور هستین
Luri is a Persian dialect is why. Luri is descendant of middle Persian Pahlavi.
@@kaywannluri is literally a Persian dialect stemming from middle Persian Pahlavi not a different language entirely
make a video about similarities between greek and egyptian arabic
I watched 22 minutes without getting bored ✌️
muş and sulaymani kurdistan please only kurdistan, salam and recpect for luri ❤ thank you so mach
You are awsome
Please make a video in our Chittagonian language.
Spas Zehra ji bo nûnertiya te ya biserketî ji bo bakurê Kurdistanê. Her hebe ! Zimanê me hebûna me ye û em ê hebin heta heye.
Spasxweş heval, û ez jî spas dikim bo peyvên te yên xweş :)
@@zehra_korkmazdont kurds soeak 7 different separate languages? How is kurdish one language when theyre unintelligible?
@@KoroushRPstop spamming turk🦃🦃🦃🦃🦃🦃 go to Mongolia
@@KoroushRPthey are not unintelligent Kurds do understand each other if Kurdistan was not divided in between 4 countries they bond will be stronger to understand even I can hear and understand what they all say even though I don’t speak one of the two other dialects actually it’s called dialect continuum to the same language Kurdish
I think Persians also have this with other Persian speaking people
@@teknul89 Ignore the 🤡Kurush. He is a Tehrani susul. Lurs are Iranic but not Persian and never were. Our capital in Charmahalo Bakhtiyar is called Shahre Kord it means Kurdish city. The culture, language, lifestyle were always different. He is a NON-Lur troll most likely Arab.
luri is an amazing language.
Its descendant of middle Persian
Rubaru Roshni is a famous Bollywood song from movie Rang De Basanti.
Rubaru is kind of similar meaning.
I can't get over the merd and merdum for husband ahaha (french person married to a sorani speaker) love it hihi
❤ kurdish language ❤
Luri is Persian not kurdish. Luri is descendant of middle Persian and kurds cant understand us as the video shows
لر ها از کرد ها به وجود آمدن
@@KoroushRPlurs are kurdish lurs is kurdish langauge we are not even friend to persians😂😊
Brother, I will tell you something, don't be upset, but the history of Ler and the language of Ler are more than Kurds, and the Kurds are Ler.
❤
Nice video! I like how Ali described it as transitional languages or dialects. When he spoke it sounded very Sorani or Fayli to me in terms of accent, however the words are spelt differently. Eg Zuzu v Zizi, Korom v Kuram. Similar differences between Kurdish and Persian to, Xanu v Xune, however as a Kurdish speaker I feel like Luri when spoken is closer to Kurdi than Farsi is to Kurdish. The most transitional dialect between Kurdi and Luri is probably Lakki, Lakki is Kurdish NW iranic but has much Luri influence. Laki also strangely features many similarities with Kurmanji and Zaza-Hawrami.
Tu xelkê kuderyê Bira
@@SheroalKurdi96 Mukriyan bira
Also you call each other Bira means brother in english baradar in farsi brar in luri and bakhtiary. The same root.
@@sh-kl5im Well in sorani baradar or berader means as much as friend
@@aimanaramaliali9692 maby it comes from Muslem thing and also "brotherhood" in Christianity use the same concept for friendship. not just religious It's international
بژیی زور جوانه
Can I just say that all these words also exist in Persian? Just pronunciation is different and they are less common. For example we have a cave in Firoozkooh names eskaft salman .
Sur=Surati=red/pink/ Suri is the name Tom Cruise's daughter. Yes, he used a an Iranian word.
Shaow = Shab in Persian. A lot of words used here are the same in Persian with little change. I only know Persian even though my ancestor from father side is Bakhtiyari and my is from Kurdestan.
Yeah but some I've never heard before like eshkaft?
@@omid706 I didn't say all. Of course, if you pay attention to the root of a word, you might be able to guess. "eskkaft" maybe is related to "kashf. eshtekaf" in Persian. I am only guessing, since I have lived in the US since 1974 and I am not very good in Persian.
@@jonam7589 sure but at first or if I'd heard the words in a sentence I would not get it. They've varied to an extent that makes them different despite sharing the same root
@@omid706 That's very true. When I visited Kurdestan, I had no idea what my elative would say. As I learned a few key words and started paying more attention, little by little I started to understand more. Like "z" changes to "zh" Zan becomes Zhen. "choni" "chetori"; I think if I learn 300 words and stay there for 6 months, I should understand what they say. Languages evolve. They have much less arabic that Persian today.
They aren’t Persian words dude Kurdish is so much older than farsi
Are Lurs only in Iran?
Diala.Iraq
@@Sma_krd oh that's amazing to know.
I also Think in xanaqin iraq
Xanaqin Kurdistan
Lurs are Bakhtiari, Mamasani and Koh Giluyehis. Qashqais are Turkish leaders of Lorestan. They are arguable. There’s no Lors in Iraq. They are Kurds of Fayli tribe, they are mislabeled as Lors.
Herbijîn hemuyan!
In kurdish "Da" for Mother means "given" actually mother in old kurdish is "mada" or "madayê" it means translatet "who gived me" like the person who gived me life. later it become just "Dê" in some areas they say "dayê" withouth the "Ma" in some arabizated kurdish forms they say ya-dê
در زبان لری کهکیکویه وشمال فارس و شمال بوشهر وشمال وجنوب خوزستان به مادر دی.day دا da دایه daye می گویند
Xwe- da ...xwe (self)
My father speaks southern lori from the Mamasani / Boyer ahmad regions of Iran. We are originally from the city of Kazerun, just west of Shiraz. There are similarities between all iranian languages. But Lori is overall different from Kurdish. Southern Iranians usually understand Lori better than Northern or Tehrani Iranians
@@TyamKasit-sd5yu 😂😂
@@TyamKasit-sd5yu I'm willing to bet a million dollars you're not a Lur.
چرا دوس داری خودتو زیرمجموعه قرار بدی؟؟ ما لوریم و اگه کلمه های اصیلمون بکار برده بشه هیچ فارسی قادر ب فهمیدن ما نیست.
Luri is a Persian dialect is why. Luri is descendant of middle Persian Pahlavi.
The Bakhtiyari Luri dialect is heavily Persianized. That is why it is so close to Modern Persian. Also Middle Persian did not descend from Old Persian that is boiler plate information fed from Wikipedia without any actual research. Middle Persian actually descends from a dialect of Parthian and was called Persian by the Sassanids once they established the empire after the Parthians. Both Middle Persian and Parthian were called Pahlavi for a reason! And old Persian is much more similar to Sanskrit than anything.
Ethnicity and nation does not completely depend on having common language (I know in many cases language matters), but it depends on having common history, culture, geography and common political decision and destiny. Indian people speak more than 10 languages inside India, but they all belong to the Hindi nation. Jews speak many many different languages, but they see themselves one and all of them identify themselves as a part of so called Jewish nation. Same thing for Persians (Most of the Persians speak Dari Farsi language, but there are more than three more distinct languages in Pars province in Iran spoken by Persians (Bandari language, Larestani/Achomi language..)etc.
Same goes for Kurds, even though Luri language is linguistically distinct from Kurdish language (despite of having many things in common and similarities), both speakers of Kurdish and Luri share common origin, common history, common geography (both are the people of Zagros), same culture...
I am myself a Kurd from the Kurdistan region and the city of Sulaymaniyah, my grandmother was a Lur. We are completely the same people.
We arent the same people. Us lirs are descendant of Persians and speak a dialect of middle Persian Pahlavi, also kurds speak 7 different languages.
@@KoroushRPtroll persian 😢 you really think we believe you? 😂😂😂
Kurds speak Kurdish and Luri (some identify Goran dialect of a Kurdish as another Kurdish language). But even persians themselves speak different languages such as Dari (Farsi), Bandari, achomi…etc .. linguistically they are three distinct languages
@@Kurdo_Barznji_Slemani luri is a Persian dialect and language and descendant of middle Persian, kurds themselves speak languages not even of the same origin, while luri has Persian origin. furthermore dari and farsi and bandari arent different languages, theyre mutually intelligible and all new Persian, luri, gilak, tat, mazandarani, bakhtiari and feyli are middle Persian Pahlavi Parsig. while kurmanji, sorani, gorani, zazza, kermenshahi pahlavi and feyli are not mitually intelligible. You can search it up if you dont belive me, but you most likely know this already and are just in denial, sad, lol
@@Kurdo_Barznji_Slemani also im Persian yes, a lur Persin and proud of my Persian ancestors, their achievements and empires.
@@KoroushRP lmao 🤣 I bet if u can write a paragraph in luri. troll gayRanian
It proves that we all have same root , and same language just basically with different pronunciation and the place of the words in the sentences,, we all 1 kurd lur Persian mazindarani tajik ,,
Could you pls do similarity of Bengali vs Russian or Ukrainian. Bcoz i read somewhere there is a vey old link and undocumented history.
When i hear slogan in past year in Kurdish i realized the similarity between bakhtiary and kurdish and persian. It's same language just different in accent
Kurdish is not a singular language. You’re probably hearing pahlavi “kurdish” that is in reality a Persian dialect.
@@KoroushRP thanks. I'm not expert. I don't know which one talks in Sanandaj or Mahabad but i think that was easy to know meaning for me. Specially when i asked other ppl to write them with farsi alphabet that was cool, it was like solving a puzzle
@@KoroushRPyou are so funny 😆😂
Stop making all aryans Persian 😂
Zor kêf xweş bûm ji bû vê vîdyoyê dest xweş Kurdino(Kurmanc,Soran,Lor,Lak,
Zaza,Hewrman,Kelhûr)
زۆر خوشحالبوم بو ئەم ڤیدیۆیە دەست خوش کوردنشینەکان (کورمانج،سوران،لور،لک،زاز،هەورمانی،کەلهوری) یەک زەمین یەک نیشتمان یەک وڵات یەک زمان بژی کورد و کوردستان💚☀️❤️☝🏻🫂
Bji KURDEN ZAZA
Joke 🤣
ما لور ها کورد نیستیم!سی میلیون لور در ایران هیچکپومشون خودشون رو کورد نمیدونن و‌خطاب نمیکنن حرفت خیلی احمقانه بود
She is very smart even krmanj is far from bakhtyari region she open all codes sorani like a bridge between krmanji and luri
Sur" is a color. In baluchi it's also called sohr.
That Kurdish from Iraqi Kurdistan autonomous region, he speaks six different local and international languages but doesn’t know Arabic language while Kurdistan autonomous region is a part of Iraq. It’s back to the Kurdish revolution against Iraqi government in 1991 then the international community demarcated a red line between the Kurdistan Region and Iraq following the Iraqi government defeat and withdrawal from the region. So the Kurdish language had become the merely official state language of the region, and the region completely de-Arabized after approximately 70 years of conflict between Kurdish rebels and Iraqi government.
I speak Arabic but forgot to mention it
@@bahaamin8950 my mean generally, as you didn’t mention. thought just know six languages, but i numbered all.
@@muhammadmamkaksherwany5333 sad colonialist?
@@muhammadmamkaksherwany5333he de-arabization was a good thing. We the kurdish people don't want to learn arabic so we don't end of discussion. We also hate iraq and everyone who wants to keep that abomination of a state together. It is our right to not want to co-exist with arabs
We don't have to speak the language of our colonizer
Zehraaaa 🎉❤❤
Kanî = spring / fountain / fount, çavkanî (eye of the fountain) = source (immaterial, source of a news f. Ex.)
Lur and Bakhtyari, like Sorani, Kalhuri, and Kermanji, constitute the Kurds, and it is a mistake to consider them separately.
The Lurs and the Bakhtyaris are the original tribes of the Kurdish nation and are similar to the rest of the Kurds in all respects.
It is worth noting that the word "white" in many Iranian languages has retained very similar sound, while other words for colors have changed. For example, in Kurdish, Talysh and Pamiri Rushani "white" is "spi", in Pashto it is "spin", in Persian - "sefid". The preservation of this word is associated with its sacred religious (Zoroastrian) meaning. Apparently, our Zoroastrian ancestors associated white with life or with something bright and holy, including fire.
in persian is "Sepid" with a "P" however like many other persian words which were destroyed after the arab invasion since they don't have "p" in their language it became "f" which we shouldn't use since we can pronounce "p". Asp became Asb (horse), Pil became Fil, Parsi became Farsi etc. Kurds and Lors didn't allow the Arabic influence as much as Persian.
kurds have nothing to do with zoroastrians
@@kurdekibedin1347what are talking of course Kurds have Zoroastrian ancestors , and I’m so proud of that ,
@@Sanandaj196we never had! Its a lye of iranian state!! Sneaky policy! Kurds were never zoroastrian…
@@KurdeQonya all sorani Kurds were Zoroastrian and all kurmanj were yazidis , , and I’m still Zoroastrian
Taliş and Zazaki may be interesting also
Zimanê mao zaf rindo û waşo 😚🫂💚☀️❤️
@@SheroalKurdi96
Zvonê ma zhaf/ghelek/xheyli rınd u baş/weş o.
Our language is very beautiful und handsome
🤨
@@ZaZa-ln9jo her biciyo şêro 🦁🫂😘
@@SheroalKurdi96
Zazaki’d “her bıji” çiniyo Deza 😉
@@SheroalKurdi96 Bji KURDISTAN
Eshgaft is big cave for shelter for human and ALSO animal they used ancient time
Some native still use it in the mountains
Super und das ist ganz intressant . Als lur sehe ich mich kurde
In India Dada is a older male.dadi also female . south India classical Tamil language thatha is male .
Do you remember Baktiyar Khilji,the person who burned the Nalanda University
@@jame176 yes he did it.but south Indian palm leaf collection of literature which was saved by jains burned by invades like brahmins .
In fact, all Indo-European languages have the letters mtr for the word mother. but the interesting thing is that it means "to give" in Kurdish. i read somewhere. In ancient beliefs, the great gods have always been women. and the "da" meaning to give here comes from the woman's analogy to the earth. The soil provides us with food. we sow we reap. for giving birth to a woman. considered as sacred as the earth. daye-given "daye"- is the mother. this means. I'm Kurdish. I know the kurdish dialect. There are more words for the word mother. da,daye,yade,ci,mak
@@sivagurunathan3825 Brahmins never did that. The invaders from turkey and Afghan did. The library of Nalanda had so many books that it kept burning for 3 months
@@Godfather2121 oh wow!
Actually can you specify some of the dialects of Kurdish?
I've heard that Luri is very close to Old Persian. Is it true?
Yes actually modern Persian, Achomi, Tat and Luri come from middle Persian and also old Persian
No, it is not true. Only Bakhtiari's dialect is a little close to Old Persian, but they are all close to Kurdish. Even historians say it is Kurdish, some say it is Persian, some say it is independent
However, the Kurdish evidence is both older and more reliable, because the origin of the Luris was Yarsani, which was a Kurdish religion written in the Goran language
@@mohamadkalare9162 Luri is southern Iranic language if you see the tree of Iranic languages its same as Persian but Kurdish is northern. Of course there are many opinion about that but you must be neutral no offence but some Kurdish historians dont say the truth
@@mohammadreza1521Which Kurdish historian is not right? If you believe Sharaf Khan Badlisi is a liar, it is as if he knew nothing about history because he wrote the book five hundred years ago when the Safavid-Ottoman war began
Then he was the first to introduce Lori to Khuzestan, then he introduced Lori to a Kurdish dialect
Even the Persians say that Goran-Zaza is not a Kurd, but that is a big lie
The first people to talk about preserving Kurdish traditions were Lor and Goran-Zaza
Shah Khushi Lorestani, who was a Yarsan,
One of his poems said
Alphabet Arabic
اسلنم ژە کورد ئەسلەنم ژە کورد بابم کوردە وەن ئەسلە نم ژە کورد من او شیرە نان چنی دەسی گولد سلسلەی سپای زحاک کردم ورد
aslanm ja kurd aslanm ja kurd babam kurdawan aslanm ja kurd min aw Shera nan chani dase guld slslay spay zahak krdm wrd)
This poem is written in the Goran-Zaza dialect because the Goran-Zaza language was a Yarsani religious language
And mullah pareshan and sarhang dawdan and Pir musi and trka mer azad bakht and more
It is written in the Goran-Zaza language, which has an old poem and they are even proud to be Kurds
Who are you to talk about the Kurds?
Anyone who knows the Yarsani poets will undoubtedly consider Lor Goran-Zaza to be Kurds
@@TyamKasit-sd5yu The commentator is Assyrian, not Persian.
Is there any online material for the bakhtiari language?
زبان لوری گویش بختیاری ، میتونید در گوگل lur رو سرچ بزنید اطلاعات کافی در مورد قوم لور و رقص و لباسشون بالا میاره
I am from balagriveh lorestan ur dilect is between kordi and bkhtiari but we are closer to bakhtiari than the rest. Of course we are in eastern part of minor lorestan and our trib is PAPi
Lori is about 90% similar to Persian; It is certainly Lori is old persian but Kurdish is an independent language
Kurdish isnt even a language. Its like 8 languages and half are Persian dialects
Basically, language is said to be something that you can't even understand by being in the environment. That is, until you use the book of grammer of that language, even if you spend a year in the environment, you will not understand. Iike Kurdish , Gilaki languages and ...@@KoroushRP
@@kingmeraj3819عادت داری از گوه لور ها تغذیه کنی عزیزم؟لور ها قبل از اینکه به مدرسه برن و فارسی یاد بگیرن حتی یک کلمه نمبتونستن فارسی حرف بزنن و بفهمن بعد توی احمق بی سواد میگی لوری فارسیه؟
@@kingmeraj3819ما لریه نه فارسی ، ما نژادی متفاوت از فارس و کورد هستیم با قدمتی ده ها برابر با بقیه ی فومیت ها ، لباس و رقص قوم لور اونقدر تنوع داره که همون برای بستن دهن کوردای احمقی مث تو کافین ، ما زبانیم نه یک لهجه از فارسی یا کوردی که دو هزار سال بیشتر قدمت ندارن ، ما نژادی با بیش از پنجاه هزار سال قدمت هستیم ، برو مطالعه کن در مورد لور ها که از نژاد عیلام و کاسیت و لولوبی ها هستن بعد بیا بگو ببینم کوردی لهجست یا لوری!
Lur is kurdish dialect. Persian should Stop Splitting kurdish people Like the shah did.
That much similarity between luri and kurdish always makes me so excited to search more to find out more about luri, since i love history, geography and lingustical stuff i saw alot of more similarities between luri and kurdish, not just simple words, even grammatical similarities and phrases, no i think lingustists did a mistake by setting luri as southwestern iranian language and not northeastern iranian language because it has more similarities to kurdish than any other language, now i understand why alot of kurdish linguistists say that luri is one of the dialects of kurdish language
Lors are just little tribes of kurdish Goran tribe and became separate by iranian states attempts since safawids also they became shiia which is and was iranians policy… lor is just a part of GORANI kurdish tribe… and bakhtiaris just assimilated into that group when they were deported to south zagros and fars by salahaddin ayyubis cousins and statemates as protection against the shiia movement came from isfahan and yazd and shemal … so bakhtiaris also genetically are Kurmanc Kurds from turkey and syria… even the 4 big bakhtiari tribes are Kurman kurdish tribes… iranian state is a fake was a fake therefore they need everytime fake history and fake people…. Thats iran and its people… never trust iranian people cause they have no personality!! Sharaf niya namus niya biji kurd u kurdistan cihê mer û merdan shêr û pilingan!!
تو و بقیه ی کورد ها با عرض معذرت بیجا میکنید که لوری رو لهجه ای از کوردی معرفی میکنیت ، کورد کلا دو هزار سال قدمت داره اما لر بیش از پنجاه هزار سال!در حدی هستید که با لر مقایسه بشید؟دست از سر ما لورا بردارید ما از شما کوردا که به ما چسبیدید و ولمون نمیکنید خسته شدیم!
@@Jiko8403 Well that's not my fault, if you complain someone about saying that lurs are kurds too, you better complain history, being a kurd isn't just about language, it's about geography, culture and most importantly history as well, i wish i knew farsi very well that i could tell you why i count lurs as part of kurds, just to remember i wanted to say just as you say that lurs aren't kurds, there are also lots of lurs who proudly say that they're kurds, especialy if they know about history. if you couldn't understand i hope u tell me so i will ask my luri friend to translate my words into persian or luri for you to understand🙂
@@Dirok7277 ببین درسته از لحاظ زبانی کوردی و لوری شبیهن اما این برای بلوچی و گیلکی و تالشی هم صدق میکنه شما باید بگید اونا هم کوردن و زیر مجموعه کورد ها؟خودتون خندتون نمیگیره؟این زبان ها بخاطر اینکه به فارسی پهلوسی برمبگردن شبیهن و هیچ دلیل دیگه ای نداره ، تا به حال به ایران اومدی؟اینجا هیچ لوری حتی یک نفر هم خودش رو کورد خطاب نمیکنه! تا حالا لباس و رقص لور های ایران رو دیدی؟حتی کوچیکترین شباهتی بین لباس و رقص کوردی و لوری وجود نداره!اگه بخوای حتی میتونم اینستا یا تلگرام برات رقص و لباسمون رو بفرستم
Sorani Kurdish itself also has dialects of its own. Someone from Sulaymaniyah will pronounce the word 'cave' as "eskewt". In Erbil (Hawleri dialect), people will pronounce it as "eshkaft".
Mashallah ❤
Luri is Kurdish dialect ?!
Yes
Yes it is
No its a Persian dialect and descendant of middle Persian pahlavi, dont listen to these racist kird nationalists
@@KoroushRP
Pesian is one language and it hasn't any dialects 😂 cry harder poorsian
@KoroushRP
I have met many Lurs and they say we are Kurds
I wish you also compare these words with persian these are so similar
Dar resembles Russian derevo (tree), it is an Indo-European root.
When bahador says we try not to use Persian words😂 sorry to say that but
at least the vocabulary part was either from old, middle and modern Persian
Rû, show, eshkaft, da, mala,…
As a Persian speaker I've never heard of Eshkaft, da or mala? Several others as well so maybe you speak a dialect?
He said mainly not easy to pick up for Persian speakers which is true.
@@omid706 1:30 an smart ass ey?😄 he clearly points out that not to use difficult or Persian language words! which one is not ez for u to pick up? shekaf? Ru/ rox? Sho/shab? Well, i admit, Mala, da, and such other words are of Southern lexicon
@@JavidShah246 Bebakhshid vali man dorost nafahmidam manzooretun chieye?
Maybe I missed something but I heard Bahador say for the most part they're not used or difficult for a Persian speaker. I gathered he meant most of the words will not be exact same such as for example like rooz or something like khaneh
Of course it’s not ! Nothing in this world is exact! The key is to twist em a little, like play with words😉 for example: ewr-> abr, mêr-> mard, dar-> dâr, sor-> sorx
See? Im a kurmanji now😂
@@JavidShah246 But that makes sense. They're sharing the same common root. So some words are inevitably closer and same, but some are different. Like I had never heard of some of the words they used.
20:02 feyli and laki = southern kurdish
Yep, they try to assimilate them
Kurd=🐴
@@Nazaedfghhhhhuvv لکی و فیلی زبان های شمال غربی ایـرانی هستن. لری جنوب غربی. یکی از لرها میگفت لری گویشی از فارسیه. ما فارس هستیم.
nope, laki is more similar to khoramabadi than any souther kurdish dialect. feyli on the other hand has two dialects and majority of fayli people are kurds i think. but keep that in mind the entire population of northern lurs are fayli and lak lurs except lurs from kangavar(kermanshah) tuyiserkan,nahavand,malayer(hamedan)shazand,khomein(markazi) are salasi lurs
again i say majority of fayli speakers are kurd but northen luri dialect is also called fayli or luri fayli. this sometimes confuse people.+ majority of lak people don't identify as kurd.
im half lak my mother is from bajelan tribe. bot my father&mother tribes are from luristan province. tribe that my laki half blongs to live in luristan,khuzistan,small parts of iraq and small arts of kermanshah and ilam. but majority are in north of khuzistan and luristan province.