Gun Digest 1978 has an article titled The Auto Mag Story, Part Two. Leading me to believe there was at least a part one. It seems to cover every single thing you might possibly need to do to tune, maintain, inspect, lubricate and generally keep your Auto Mag running properly down to what primers to use in your ammunition. Apparently there were also .22 and .30 AMP calibers, and one .25, with the .30 throwing a 130 grain slug at 2250 fps. I don't know what part one contains, but probably Kent Lomont wrote that too. Perhaps a part three! Or more! Anyway, it's there.
i've been trying to get my hands on a 6 inch automag ii in 22 magnum, literally just to see if i want to buy one. they're pretty cheap compared to the other automags and i love the design but they seem to have the Boomer tax where everyone thinks their gun is worth $1200 because the 4 barrel ones are. i've seen the standard ones go for like $400 so every non-mint gunbroker listing for $800 is just wishful thinking. problem is they're still kind of rare so i get the feeling we're gonna see a lot of them in 10 years when all of their collections get liquidated by their kids
@@Cheesemonk3h I have one, from the late '80s. Very temperamental gun. Extremely sensitive to ammunition due to the delayed blowback system. Workmanship and finish was a bit rough. The magazines were the real problem. They had no loading assist feature, and the thin walled rimfire cartridges are easily damaged during loading. There's another gun, which I believe is called the Challenger, that uses the same magazine but they DID incorporate a loading assist. I did get one for my Automag II, but it needs some fitting. I'm hopeful it can be made to work. Haven't tried yet. When the Automag II runs, it's a lot of fun and always attracts attention at the range from the dramatic muzzle flash and blast from such a slender small caliber gun. Velocity from the 6" barrel is impressive, typically running in the 1,500 to 1,600 fps range. CCI Maxi Mag seems to work best. It's also remarkably accurate, especially considering the very loose slide to frame fit. This was done because of the galling problems from the stainless castings used to make the AMT guns. It's a shame it suffered from poor quality control and design flaws. Otherwise it would be an especially interesting piece. If you wind up with one, it will be a novelty range gun purely for recreational use. But it was a cool and truly interesting gun. I wouldn't pay too much for one though.
Are you sure it's .30 AMP? Because I know .30 Carbine Automags exist Having a cartridge you can only handload using the same bullet as a cartridge you could already run in one and buy readily Seems dumb
@@1stCallipostle That's what the article said. Apparently there were .22, .25 and .30 caliber AMP cartridges for the original 1970s Auto Mag pistol. I think they were experimental wildcats. The .30 Carbine Auto Mag was a later creation of AMT from the 1990s. I've gotten to fire one. Lot of fun. Huge muzzle blast and flash with moderate recoil. Cool novelty gun. I'd get one just for fun. Miserable takedown procedure though. Also an entirely different design. The AMT Auto Mag numbered guns (I think this was the Auto Mag 3) were relatively conventional Browning type locked breach guns. I believe only the .22 Magnum Auto Mag II had the delayed blowback system.
Back in the late 1970's when I was stationed at Loring AFB Maine, one of my friends had one of these .44 Auto Mags that he ordered with the .357 conversion or upper as he called it. The one thing I remember he had problems with was finding the right load that would cycle the bolt, eject the spent brass case and chamber a round. The .44 Auto Mag recoil springs were pretty much set up for the .44 magnum loads. That's why you need to cock the hammer in order to pull the slide back. My friend did a lot of reloading and was experimenting with the .357 loading's. His auto Mag did not like light loads and working up .357 loads was a pain. I worked in the Machine Shop on base and he wanted to know if I could make some lighter sets of springs for that gun to try out. I don't think they made any lighter springs at that time that he could order, at least that is what he told me. We did have some spring wire in the shop and I had experience making springs for some equipment. But I told him he would need to get some information on the type of wire and the diameter of the wire before I would attempt to make them. I was young at the time, I had several guns of my own and had good knowledge of them. But I also knew enough not to get involved in something like that. I know he wrote off to Auto Mag for information on spring material and possibly having them make a set for him. But I won the lottery! I got orders to to transfer out of that damned freezer and PCS to Seymour/Johnson AFB before he got any answer from Auto Mag. So I never found out if he was able to solve those problem. But now knowing that these were all hand finished guns, the problem may have been that they were never fitted or finished correctly. But I will admit that it was a really nice looking gun and I did get to shoot it with the .44 mag AMP a few times. But with all the problems he was having with loads, it didn't impress me all that much. It was an interesting gun at the time, something I couldn't afford on E-3 pay anyway.
@@user-dc1dr9kr8x Unfortunately back when I was stationed at Loring AFB, 1976 to 77, moose hunting was not allowed. I was told that they were on the Threatened Species list in Maine. Although many people in Northern Maine were complaining about them and wanted to start hunting them, the Southern part of the state, that was more populated wouldn't allow hunting. That was also the start of the anti hunting animal groups. Besides that big Auto Mag belonged to an NCO friend and I only got to shoot it a few times at the range. The biggest pistol I owned was a Reproduction .44 Cap and Ball Remington Army Single Action Revolver and a .30-30 Winchester rifle. I was not about to use my .44 C&B on a moose. It would only piss them off. There was an incident on the road leading to the front gate with a moose. Some guy in a yellow VW Beetle came upon 3 of them standing the the middle of the road. He got impatient and started honking the horn and flashing the headlights. The big bill moose went crazy and totaled the car. One thing I can tell you though, it was far too cold for me to hunt anything up there and far too much snow. It started snowing about 15 Oct and there was still snow on the grown when I left Loring close to Easter. The USAF transferred me up there from Carswell AFB in Fort Worth TX. From the frying pan to the freezer. We had 3 nights up there with wind chill down to -100°. It was the only place I knew that people would pray for snow and the overcast to stick around so the place would warm up a bit to -30°. Also I was 1 of 5 guys in the Machine Shop needed to split up 2 shifts and one of the 4 that had to pull Stand By duty after midnight and over the weekends. We rotated that Stand By duty a week at a time. So there wasn't much time to go hunting anyway. I was so happy when I got emergency manning orders to Seymour/Johnson AFB in NC! I got to hunt some Big wild Bore there. Then they sent me off to Hawaii for three years. Then to AZ DMAFB. I still live in the SW Desert and love it. But unfortunately my hunting has been curtailed because of the illegals and drug traffickers. It can and has for some, turn into a real fire fight if you run into them in the middle of no where. Y'all take care and stay safe. Remember, a bad day of shooting is better than any good day at work.
You can still get a T/C Encore barrel in .357/44 Bain & Davis, which is essentially the same thing, except with a rim. You can get a 158 grain bullet up to 2100 fps from a 15" barrel with careful handloading, which will be necessary, since no one I'm aware of makes factory ammo.
The .357 Bain & Davis is the rimmed equivalent of the .357 AMP, made by simply necking down .44 Magnum brass. There have been several attempts to get it working in revolvers, but revolvers and high pressure necked cartridges just don't play nice. You can still get a T/C Encore barrel in .357 B & D, however.
My comment from a minute ago was apparently filtered out. Reliable, responsible load data can be found in the Speer #9 loading manual. WW296 and H110 are the powders of choice, with a 158 grain bullet delivering 1600-1686 fps from a 6.5-inch barrel. The 8.5 inch is good for about 150 fps more. You can find a PDF of the relevant pages from the manual on the internet. Reed’s Custom Ammo in Oklahoma City sells 357 AMP (they mislabel it as 357 AMT) for $80 per box of 50. (Apparently I can’t post the link but you can find it easily enough).
AMT is correct. Harry Sanford owned Arcadia Machine and Tool. The gun was first marketed under the AMT brand. Arcadia Machine and Tool also made one of the first mini .380 ACP investment cast pistol in the same era. A prominent gunsmith, Jimmy Bogle invented a 9mm hemi head bullet with the weight so far forward that there was a large cavity at the base. Large magnum rifle pistol primers ignited H110 or 296 (H110 was better) with a compressed loading that forced more power into the bullet base, cycled the extra stiff spring set and left the bbl at over 3000 ft/sec. One of our barrels was set up with a strain gauge. A flake or two of red dot next to the primer boosted speed to over 3500 ft/sec and produced wide spread pressure readings, shot to shot in the 75,000 t0 100,000 CUP range exceeding the proof testing levels. Yea, I know, younger and dumber then. AMT (Harry) also made me full length carbide dies for the .357 and .44. They were supposed to be used lube less but I put a thin coat of Marvel Mystery Oil on each case after my first dry run. A T Burke
While Sanford later formed AMT, the original Auto Mag wasn’t produced under that name. The unrelated Auto Mag II, III, IV and V wore the AMT (or IAI) label. But not the original. The round was 357 AMP. Not AMT. AMT didn’t exist when the round was created….
I had a friend who had both the .44 Automag and a ,357 Automag with the longer non ribbed barrel. I never realized that there was a handy barrel swap option. I do remember the massive flame fronts they each produced.
When the pistol first came out, there were many magazine articles about it. I remember one of them mentioning a famous handgun hunter of those days using a long barreled AutoMag 160 that he had Magna-ported to take a pronghorn antelope with a single shot at more than 300 yards.
@Wanda Fishlips yeah definitely for me. I seriously doubt anyone who can hit accurately with a pistol at 300yds, let alone a hunting scenario. And at that range you have basically zero chance of a chase down. I get it that it was the 70's or whatever but gotta wonder how many shots like that he missed. Maybe we just disagree on what is ethical.
@@HebrewHammerArmsCo so at 300 there's a good chance for the shot to be not immediately lethal. Germany definitely has better hunting laws, requiring the animal to be taken down with one shot and requiring the hunter to be ready to finish the animal off should the first shot fail to hit the heart. Sloppy Americans cause animals potentially hours of agony while they slowly bleed out, which could've been avoided with some resemblance of skill
Wow. This comment totally blew my mind, I had one of those when I was a kid completely forgot all about that until now, a lot of good memories with that toy haha. Thanks!
Bottle neck is the norm or rifle hand loaders. Just have to treat like a rifle which as Ian as pointed out power wise, the AMP's are in the lower end of rifle power.
@forgottenweapons I just wanted to thank you for your body of work. I have appreciated it for years and look forward to seeing more. I was shooting next to you at two "SHOT media day at the range" but you were working and I didn't want to bother you.
I vaguely remember Auto Mag. A friend who was seriously into hunting, shooting sports, & handloading dismissed it as something that would never catch on.
Hi, I had 3 Auto Mags in the 70's. I always told my fellow shooters hand loading for it was like tuning a Indy 500 race car engine. Just one tenth of a grain up or down could make a difference in functioning the gun properly. So first You had to find a load that would function the Auto Mag. And out of those few loads how accurate were they. Tried several different powders but my favorite was W296. My best and favorite Load was 32.0 W296 behind a 200gr Hornady JHP with 100% functioning - how accurate - at 25 yards using a sandbag to steady me I would shoot 2 to 3 inch groupings all day( one time I shot a One Inch group!) - 6.5 inch barrel. And I had one 357 load that using 296( don't remember the amount) behind a 90 grain jacketed Hemi lead nose bullet that functioned 99%. I loved going out to the Mountains shooting at targets 100 to 150 yards.
My dad had one of these for a while. We made brass out of cut off .308 cases, then ran them into a die a friend made. Then we had to fire form them. I want to say we had to ream out the necks too, but I might be thinking of something else. I think he fired 158 JHP out of it. It took a lot of work to get it to where it would function, but once everything was tuned and it had a load it liked, it ran great. He sold it before my hands were big enough to fire it. Honestly, they still might be too small. That thing was a beast.
I'm really hoping that the new production company will come out with barrels in .357AMP for the new automags. Australian handgun laws get a bit funky and it makes it difficult to own (and more importantly shoot) handguns with a calibre over .38.
The best is the AMT Automag III in .30 Carbine. It's readily available, cheap to shoot and creates the most wonderful flaming muzzle blast. and to top it all is very pleasant as to recoil.
On my automag, it came with the accessory 357amp barrel/receiver, what stood out, the caliber conversion was all nickel plated conventional steel, the only explanation ( from unreliable sources) was it was a early version.
You thing you should mention about the Auto Mag is that it is the only big bore auto pistol where you can swap barrels/calibers and you don't have to re-sight in the gun since the sights are on the barrels. If you swap barrels/calibers on the Wildey, Grizzly, Coonan, Desert Eagle, or Automag pistols, you have to jerk around resetting the sights to hit point of aim. Not so with the Auto Mag. And for you newbies, the Auto Mag and Automag are two completely different pistols.
Someone tries,fails and then another one does the some think.Over and over again.And I have to be honest AutoMag and M1911 are my favorite handguns if we won't add revolvers so it is marvelius to see someone tries to make them work.
@@waynes.1118 Hi, I had 3 Auto Mags in the 70's. I always told my fellow shooters hand loading for it was like tuning a Indy 500 race car engine. Just one tenth of a grain up or down could make a difference in functioning the gun properly. So first You had to find a load that would function the Auto Mag. And out of those few loads how accurate were they. Tried several different powders but my favorite was W296. My best and favorite Load was 32.0 W296 behind a 200gr Hornady JHP with 100% functioning - how accurate - at 25 yards using a sandbag to steady me I would shoot 2 to 3 inch groupings all day - 6.5 inch barrel. And I had one 357 load that using 296( don't remember the amount) behind a 90 grain jacketed Hemi lead nose bullet that functioned 99%. I loved going out to the Mountains shooting are 100 to 150 yards.
Always liked the look of the AutoMag. One of my friend's father (now passed away) bought two .44 AMP as an investment but never fired them. I reload 357 Sig and many other challenging cartridges so can imagine what a task the .357AMP would be.
Another great video! In the late 70's there was a magazine published by a fellow named Myron Fass called".44 Mag And Magnums". I only recall seeing two issues but it showed a wide array of Auto Mag content including models with 16" barrels etc. This may have been during the time that Lee Jurras was making them. I also seem to remember mention of a .41 AMP chambering.
Speer Hot Core bullets with the half jacket had a problem with core/jacket separation Oddly enough, it was when you loade3d them too light, the jacket would sometimes also stick in the bore or go sailing off somewhere.
Great review. I remember these. The .357 was of great interest and it seems a friend had one. He had no problems that I'm aware of but I dont know how much he shot it. Thanks for sharing. You shared much I did not know. God bless all here.
@@Gameprojordan When I first saw .17 HMR I wanted a rifle in that caliber just because of the looks of the cartridge. I didn't get one because I just don't need another caliber to feed, especially with the cost of non-reloadable ammo.
My experience is that the 357 AMP was more popular with shooters than the 44 AMP or 45 Win Mag. I’ve have clients bring me or shot with them Auto Mags, Wildeys, Grizzlys, and the IMI version AutoMag. Every single example was in 357 AMP or had a 357 barrel - and that was the one they shot with. The Grizzly was the easiest to tune to run as it was well made and just a spring change would usually tune the gun to the load desired. The AMT/IMI was so poorly made there were usually stacking problems. The Wildey, well, you just had to tune the load to the pistol.
This cartridge is why I wish they'd gotten the bugs out of the AutoMag. If .357 AMP had taken off, we might have carbines in this round- adding ~300fps, if you can get the bullets to not disintegrate that would be useful.
it's 7:04 AM, I cannot sleep as I am stuck in a horribly uncomfortable position. unfortunately, my cat is sleeping on my legs so i cannot fully adjust myself and refuse to upset the cat and make it walk away.
Starline has a bunch of their brass lines tied up by other big manufacturers right now. Getting them to make something special for you right now is basically impossible.
Thru the mid 1980's Numrich arms offered these conversions, I'm guessing after they bought the last of the Automag stock, or from one of the companies failing. We had someone who had one of the original guns in the really early run buy one of the sets from Numrich and I don't think he nor our gunsmith ever got it running right, lending credence to Ian's assertion that they were hand fitted guns
15 years ago or so, I saw a dealer at a gunshot with a consignment pair of Auto Mags, consecutively numbered - one in .44AMP and one in .357AMP, with a set of loading dies for each pistol. I recall the price seeming stupidly inexpensive - $1800 each caliber, or $3000 for the lot. I did not bite, even though I was really tempted, as it was a bit more than my gun budget allowed for that day. In retrospect, I'm glad I passed on it. I likely would have been terribly frustrated and disappointed, given how common issues with the 1970s-80s Auto Mags are.
$3000 for the entire kit 15 years ago was a bit on the steep side, but if you had bought it and just kept it it could easily have gone up way more than inflation simply because people buy them and then shoot them. Until they break.
Now go over the Dan Wesson .357 Magnum model 715 revolver with it's "quick change" barrels of different lengths as well as the "quick change" front sights in 3 different colors (white, red, yellow). Started production in the early 70s, and jumped 3 different manufacturing locations between 5 different owners before eventually ceasing production of revolvers entirely in 2005. CZ tried to bring the revolver line back in 2015 but quickly stopped making them again in 2018 because no one was really buying them at $2k for the "pistol pack". Supposedly the "pistol packs" are still available however they're nowhere on either CA-USA or Dan Wesson's websites. I'm sure if you put a feeler out someone has one along with the original briefcase they came in that was made specifically for Dan Wesson by American Tourister. Yes, that's right, American Tourister the luggage company made the briefcases for the original Dan Wesson .357 "pistol pack". It was an expensive pistol far ahead of its time but pretty damned accurate and with a smooth DA/SA trigger that breaks really clean.
The design of the longer barrel version reminds me a lot of a Czech 177 pellet pistol I had in the 1970s. I used it until the air cylinder gave out, it was that much fun.
That is a spectacular piece... The design of an automag goes so good with a slender barrel as opposed to a fatty slugthrower that it came with for a short version... This looks pornografic!
I found most of the super caliber pistols tend to be fairly finicky regarding what ammunition works reliably in them. Sometimes even when the case and bullet is the same as the last round, a different powder brand and charge (even though giving the same velocity) is enough to initiate jams. My Wildey is an example of that. With one powder charge type and charge it works perfectly, but change anything and you will expend 40 rounds just trying to find the best gas port setting. Then we get into what is the gun intended use scenario, and is there anything more or less equivalent on the market that will do the same job but less cumbersome to carry, use and develop a load for, and of course what is the financial cost compared to the curio semi auto hand made pistol that can only use hand loaded ammunition. I looked at the Automag at a time some gun stores actually had AMTs in stock. Their sticker price even back then was like 3x the cost of a new Cold Gold Cup 1911. Their only observable advantage over a S&W M29 was being slimmer but off set by being much more expensive, heavier, more cumbersome, and required forming your brass by hand (Norma hadn't started offering the loads yet) versus simply buying a box of .44 magnum ammunition, So I passed. By the time commercially made .44amp ammunition was available those first guns had vanished from the gun shops I visited in those days. I new of the .357 variant, but even back in those days I heard how finicky it was and the bullet jacket issues you speak of. Faster bullets require thicker jackets and probably internal partitioning of the bullet like the XTPs do.
my .44 AM is for EDC.. all of my loads are worked up for defending myself against velociraptors. which will undoubtedly be among us soon, if the movies have taught me anything about science..
I feel like 357 amp would have been excellent for an autoloading carbine like the one Ruger made in 44 magnum. You could probably get 1800 fps with a 180 grain bullet out of an 18-20 inch barrel. With some of the modern 357 bullets available that are designed for rifles this might be an excellent brush gun option.
Loved the Automag since first seeing it in the 80's . Curious to know how they used to bottle neck the 44 AMP casing to house the 357 bullet? Also the Beverly Hills cop 2 thing with the gunsmith saying they used to cut down 308 cases for the 44 Automag - is that true? cheers
Not likely. The base of a .308 Win case is .47in in diameter, while a .44 Mag (can't find specs on .44 AMP, but images show them to be nearly identical except for the time) has a case diameter of .457 in. Maybe close to the eye, but .013 in. is quite significant when it comes to a chamber size.
Actually, someone asked Ian this very question in one of the earlier q&a’s and Ian confirmed the scriptwriters got that part right. Can’t remember which specific q&a it was
Yes, .44 AMP cases were made from .308 cases (also .30-06 from what I know). It appears that for once in hollywood both the armourer knew their sh*t AND somebody involved listened to them.
Definitely a cool "little" gun. Given all th caveats about ammunition and handfitting, I am not surprised commercial success eluded the Automag. Hmm . . . one odd little thing, I find myself oddly disappointed that the 357 Automag didn't have a higher magazine capacity. than the 44 version, .
I love my Auto-Mags. I inherited a Beautiful Auto-Mag with 3 caliber conversions (2 factory and 1 aftermarket) 357AMP, 44AMP and 41JMP in a fitted case.
Wasn't the .44 auto mag the gun that Brigitte Nielsen used in Beverly Hills Cop 2? It's been a long time since I saw it, but I seem to remember something about a 44 auto mag casing being part of how they tracked the criminals.
Now your next mission is to find Automags in 22 AMP, 25 AMP and 30 AMP . Shame Lee Jurras died a few years ago.... He probably had the most extensive collection of Automags in the world..
Necking it down is pretty similar to the 357-44 b&d. I think it would have been better if it was a 223 based, like the 357 max-ar wildcat, but instead at that 1.290” case length.
Unrelated to this video - I have a suggestion for the BUG match that you regularly participate in. 10 round limit. One silhouette target. From 50 yards away, sprint 10 yards forward, then engage target.
I have always wondered what gun James Bond is shown holding in the “Thunderball” marquis photo….that is never seen in the movie. This looks a lot like it.
.357 Grizzly Win Mag would be another good one to review....45 Win Mag necked to .357 in a LAR Grizzly pistol. Better performance will come with heavier for caliber bullets, as the cases have plenty of capacity. Should be able to get 1800+fps out of an 8" barrel with WW296 or H110.
I was reading ballistic charts the other day and the data basically said an Underwood Xtreme Defender in .357 Sig made the largest possible permanent wound cavity of all guns tested. Now I want to see a .357 Xtreme Defender bullet atop an AMP cartridge.
Hey Ian I have noticed that recently your videos seem to be 60FPS uploads that are shot 24FPS. Have you switched cameras, editor settings or something?
Dear Ruger: Lock the action open, flip down a lever, and the barrel comes off. In a magnum centerfire pistol. Try it. It might just work for rimfire as well.
It does work. It's called a high standard sport king or a Victor. Lock slide back, push button, barrel falls off, slide slides off frame. They've been a thing for almost as long as the original Ruger Mark.
Just set my speed to .5x thanks to Spiff and it made the intro into this seem hilarious. Like Ian is super drunk trying to have perfect diction so he's talking really slow.
I do enjoy these big ridiculous guns! Wonder if there are any desert eagles floating around in .41 mag and .357 mag. Those are certainly forgotten weapons.
Gun Digest 1978 has an article titled The Auto Mag Story, Part Two. Leading me to believe there was at least a part one. It seems to cover every single thing you might possibly need to do to tune, maintain, inspect, lubricate and generally keep your Auto Mag running properly down to what primers to use in your ammunition. Apparently there were also .22 and .30 AMP calibers, and one .25, with the .30 throwing a 130 grain slug at 2250 fps. I don't know what part one contains, but probably Kent Lomont wrote that too. Perhaps a part three! Or more! Anyway, it's there.
i've been trying to get my hands on a 6 inch automag ii in 22 magnum, literally just to see if i want to buy one. they're pretty cheap compared to the other automags and i love the design but they seem to have the Boomer tax where everyone thinks their gun is worth $1200 because the 4 barrel ones are. i've seen the standard ones go for like $400 so every non-mint gunbroker listing for $800 is just wishful thinking. problem is they're still kind of rare so i get the feeling we're gonna see a lot of them in 10 years when all of their collections get liquidated by their kids
@@Cheesemonk3h I have one, from the late '80s. Very temperamental gun. Extremely sensitive to ammunition due to the delayed blowback system. Workmanship and finish was a bit rough. The magazines were the real problem. They had no loading assist feature, and the thin walled rimfire cartridges are easily damaged during loading. There's another gun, which I believe is called the Challenger, that uses the same magazine but they DID incorporate a loading assist. I did get one for my Automag II, but it needs some fitting. I'm hopeful it can be made to work. Haven't tried yet. When the Automag II runs, it's a lot of fun and always attracts attention at the range from the dramatic muzzle flash and blast from such a slender small caliber gun. Velocity from the 6" barrel is impressive, typically running in the 1,500 to 1,600 fps range. CCI Maxi Mag seems to work best. It's also remarkably accurate, especially considering the very loose slide to frame fit. This was done because of the galling problems from the stainless castings used to make the AMT guns. It's a shame it suffered from poor quality control and design flaws. Otherwise it would be an especially interesting piece. If you wind up with one, it will be a novelty range gun purely for recreational use. But it was a cool and truly interesting gun. I wouldn't pay too much for one though.
For the truly discerning connoisseur
Are you sure it's .30 AMP?
Because I know .30 Carbine Automags exist
Having a cartridge you can only handload using the same bullet as a cartridge you could already run in one and buy readily
Seems dumb
@@1stCallipostle That's what the article said. Apparently there were .22, .25 and .30 caliber AMP cartridges for the original 1970s Auto Mag pistol. I think they were experimental wildcats. The .30 Carbine Auto Mag was a later creation of AMT from the 1990s. I've gotten to fire one. Lot of fun. Huge muzzle blast and flash with moderate recoil. Cool novelty gun. I'd get one just for fun. Miserable takedown procedure though. Also an entirely different design. The AMT Auto Mag numbered guns (I think this was the Auto Mag 3) were relatively conventional Browning type locked breach guns. I believe only the .22 Magnum Auto Mag II had the delayed blowback system.
It looks like a ruger .22 pistol that was stolen at birth and given livestock formula and steroids as a baby.
Perfect lunch break video!
The barrel change is ridiculously easy, and 4:58 who’d have thought there was nuance and subtlety about an Automag?
enjoy your lunch, matt!
@@billynomates920 thanks!
Of course there was nuance and subtlety! On looks alone, it's an elegant cannon if there ever was one.
The Barrel change on the Auto Mag is very similar to the way they were changed on the other High Standard pistols.
Automag. When you run out of custom loads to fire, just beat your antagonist to death with the stainless frame.
The overall appearance of the AutoMags in general are very pleasing to the eye IMHO.
Indeed, they are beautiful guns... and apparently the new manufacturer has perfected the design, so they now work as well as they look. 🙂
@@waynes.1118 agreed. The first-gen plymouth barracuda of guns
Back in the late 1970's when I was stationed at Loring AFB Maine, one of my friends had one of these .44 Auto Mags that he ordered with the .357 conversion or upper as he called it. The one thing I remember he had problems with was finding the right load that would cycle the bolt, eject the spent brass case and chamber a round. The .44 Auto Mag recoil springs were pretty much set up for the .44 magnum loads. That's why you need to cock the hammer in order to pull the slide back. My friend did a lot of reloading and was experimenting with the .357 loading's. His auto Mag did not like light loads and working up .357 loads was a pain. I worked in the Machine Shop on base and he wanted to know if I could make some lighter sets of springs for that gun to try out. I don't think they made any lighter springs at that time that he could order, at least that is what he told me. We did have some spring wire in the shop and I had experience making springs for some equipment. But I told him he would need to get some information on the type of wire and the diameter of the wire before I would attempt to make them. I was young at the time, I had several guns of my own and had good knowledge of them. But I also knew enough not to get involved in something like that.
I know he wrote off to Auto Mag for information on spring material and possibly having them make a set for him. But I won the lottery! I got orders to to transfer out of that damned freezer and PCS to Seymour/Johnson AFB before he got any answer from Auto Mag.
So I never found out if he was able to solve those problem. But now knowing that these were all hand finished guns, the problem may have been that they were never fitted or finished correctly. But I will admit that it was a really nice looking gun and I did get to shoot it with the .44 mag AMP a few times. But with all the problems he was having with loads, it didn't impress me all that much. It was an interesting gun at the time, something I couldn't afford on E-3 pay anyway.
Saved by the PCS before that guy could blame you for why his science project didn't work.
But did you bag any moose with the .44?
@@user-dc1dr9kr8x Unfortunately back when I was stationed at Loring AFB, 1976 to 77, moose hunting was not allowed. I was told that they were on the Threatened Species list in Maine. Although many people in Northern Maine were complaining about them and wanted to start hunting them, the Southern part of the state, that was more populated wouldn't allow hunting. That was also the start of the anti hunting animal groups. Besides that big Auto Mag belonged to an NCO friend and I only got to shoot it a few times at the range.
The biggest pistol I owned was a Reproduction .44 Cap and Ball Remington Army Single Action Revolver and a .30-30 Winchester rifle. I was not about to use my .44 C&B on a moose. It would only piss them off.
There was an incident on the road leading to the front gate with a moose. Some guy in a yellow VW Beetle came upon 3 of them standing the the middle of the road. He got impatient and started honking the horn and flashing the headlights. The big bill moose went crazy and totaled the car.
One thing I can tell you though, it was far too cold for me to hunt anything up there and far too much snow. It started snowing about 15 Oct and there was still snow on the grown when I left Loring close to Easter. The USAF transferred me up there from Carswell AFB in Fort Worth TX. From the frying pan to the freezer. We had 3 nights up there with wind chill down to -100°. It was the only place I knew that people would pray for snow and the overcast to stick around so the place would warm up a bit to -30°.
Also I was 1 of 5 guys in the Machine Shop needed to split up 2 shifts and one of the 4 that had to pull Stand By duty after midnight and over the weekends. We rotated that Stand By duty a week at a time. So there wasn't much time to go hunting anyway.
I was so happy when I got emergency manning orders to Seymour/Johnson AFB in NC! I got to hunt some Big wild Bore there. Then they sent me off to Hawaii for three years. Then to AZ DMAFB. I still live in the SW Desert and love it. But unfortunately my hunting has been curtailed because of the illegals and drug traffickers. It can and has for some, turn into a real fire fight if you run into them in the middle of no where.
Y'all take care and stay safe. Remember, a bad day of shooting is better than any good day at work.
Obscure cartridge built for a variety of bullet weights for no apparent reason?
Ian you're tempting me.
You can still get a T/C Encore barrel in .357/44 Bain & Davis, which is essentially the same thing, except with a rim. You can get a 158 grain bullet up to 2100 fps from a 15" barrel with careful handloading, which will be necessary, since no one I'm aware of makes factory ammo.
@@r.awilliams9815 I just built a .284 win AR... I'll figure it out.
The .357 Bain & Davis is the rimmed equivalent of the .357 AMP, made by simply necking down .44 Magnum brass. There have been several attempts to get it working in revolvers, but revolvers and high pressure necked cartridges just don't play nice. You can still get a T/C Encore barrel in .357 B & D, however.
My comment from a minute ago was apparently filtered out. Reliable, responsible load data can be found in the Speer #9 loading manual. WW296 and H110 are the powders of choice, with a 158 grain bullet delivering 1600-1686 fps from a 6.5-inch barrel. The 8.5 inch is good for about 150 fps more. You can find a PDF of the relevant pages from the manual on the internet.
Reed’s Custom Ammo in Oklahoma City sells 357 AMP (they mislabel it as 357 AMT) for $80 per box of 50. (Apparently I can’t post the link but you can find it easily enough).
AMT is correct. Harry Sanford owned Arcadia Machine and Tool. The gun was first marketed under the AMT brand. Arcadia Machine and Tool also made one of the first mini .380 ACP investment cast pistol in the same era.
A prominent gunsmith, Jimmy Bogle invented a 9mm hemi head bullet with the weight so far forward that there was a large cavity at the base. Large magnum rifle pistol primers ignited H110 or 296 (H110 was better) with a compressed loading that forced more power into the bullet base, cycled the extra stiff spring set and left the bbl at over 3000 ft/sec. One of our barrels was set up with a strain gauge. A flake or two of red dot next to the primer boosted speed to over 3500 ft/sec and produced wide spread pressure readings, shot to shot in the 75,000 t0 100,000 CUP range exceeding the proof testing levels. Yea, I know, younger and dumber then.
AMT (Harry) also made me full length carbide dies for the .357 and .44. They were supposed to be used lube less but I put a thin coat of Marvel Mystery Oil on each case after my first dry run.
A T Burke
While Sanford later formed AMT, the original Auto Mag wasn’t produced under that name. The unrelated Auto Mag II, III, IV and V wore the AMT (or IAI) label. But not the original.
The round was 357 AMP. Not AMT. AMT didn’t exist when the round was created….
I had a friend who had both the .44 Automag and a ,357 Automag with the longer non ribbed barrel. I never realized that there was a handy barrel swap option. I do remember the massive flame fronts they each produced.
When the pistol first came out, there were many magazine articles about it. I remember one of them mentioning a famous handgun hunter of those days using a long barreled AutoMag 160 that he had Magna-ported to take a pronghorn antelope with a single shot at more than 300 yards.
Unethical
@Wanda Fishlips yeah definitely for me. I seriously doubt anyone who can hit accurately with a pistol at 300yds, let alone a hunting scenario. And at that range you have basically zero chance of a chase down. I get it that it was the 70's or whatever but gotta wonder how many shots like that he missed.
Maybe we just disagree on what is ethical.
@@beargillium2369 A well tuned 357 Automag with a 4 x Scope can do a 1.5 inch group at 100 .
@@HebrewHammerArmsCo so at 300 there's a good chance for the shot to be not immediately lethal. Germany definitely has better hunting laws, requiring the animal to be taken down with one shot and requiring the hunter to be ready to finish the animal off should the first shot fail to hit the heart.
Sloppy Americans cause animals potentially hours of agony while they slowly bleed out, which could've been avoided with some resemblance of skill
@@beargillium2369 you'd lose your shit hearing about some of the things I've heard done with a .22 then
Very cool gun. The cartridge is similar to the 357/45 Grizzly Win Mag which works very well in the Grizzly gun.
Fun fact: The Automag pistol design, is sometimes seen in toy suction cup spring pistols. They’re usually made of blaze orange colored plastic.
@@samholdsworth420 You know those comments are spam, right?
Wow. This comment totally blew my mind, I had one of those when I was a kid completely forgot all about that until now, a lot of good memories with that toy haha. Thanks!
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Mine was orange...
as as automag owner I dont think its fun,hearing my gun is being compared to a toy 😭
@@TheSmokingMustache You're welcome.
Bottle neck is the norm or rifle hand loaders. Just have to treat like a rifle which as Ian as pointed out power wise, the AMP's are in the lower end of rifle power.
@forgottenweapons I just wanted to thank you for your body of work. I have appreciated it for years and look forward to seeing more. I was shooting next to you at two "SHOT media day at the range" but you were working and I didn't want to bother you.
class act. respect bud..
Apparently it is “AutoMag Appreciation Month” and I am LOVING IT!
Greetings from the Netherlands 🇳🇱
Sincerely, How are the farmers doing?
They have to break the political parties who form the Dutch government
@@leftnut7508 they're still having fun blocking up the roads. Not sure if anything is being done honestly. 🇳🇱
@@stoax attention peasant: you neglected to call them terrorists, that will be -1000 social credit.
@@stoax sounds like you're looking forward to eating the bugs and owning nothing.
I vaguely remember Auto Mag. A friend who was seriously into hunting, shooting sports, & handloading dismissed it as something that would never catch on.
Thank you, owner of this pistol, for allowing Ian to show it to us.
Very neat.
This really raises my awareness of home firearm stuff, I had never really thought intensely about that before.
Hi, I had 3 Auto Mags in the 70's. I always told my fellow shooters hand loading for it was like tuning a Indy 500 race car engine. Just one tenth of a grain up or down could make a difference in functioning the gun properly. So first You had to find a load that would function the Auto Mag. And out of those few loads how accurate were they. Tried several different powders but my favorite was W296. My best and favorite Load was 32.0 W296 behind a 200gr Hornady JHP with 100% functioning - how accurate - at 25 yards using a sandbag to steady me I would shoot 2 to 3 inch groupings all day( one time I shot a One Inch group!) - 6.5 inch barrel. And I had one 357 load that using 296( don't remember the amount) behind a 90 grain jacketed Hemi lead nose bullet that functioned 99%. I loved going out to the Mountains shooting at targets 100 to 150 yards.
My dad had one of these for a while. We made brass out of cut off .308 cases, then ran them into a die a friend made. Then we had to fire form them. I want to say we had to ream out the necks too, but I might be thinking of something else. I think he fired 158 JHP out of it. It took a lot of work to get it to where it would function, but once everything was tuned and it had a load it liked, it ran great. He sold it before my hands were big enough to fire it. Honestly, they still might be too small. That thing was a beast.
I'm really hoping that the new production company will come out with barrels in .357AMP for the new automags. Australian handgun laws get a bit funky and it makes it difficult to own (and more importantly shoot) handguns with a calibre over .38.
I am very interested in current Australian’s gun laws, I thought you all decided not to be able to own any kind of gun?
@@DanaOrtiz if you're genuinely interested you would know that's not the case.
What types of guns can you own in Australia?
Leave that prison colony brother
@@DanaOrtiz Don't believe everything you read mate.
The best is the AMT Automag III in .30 Carbine. It's readily available, cheap to shoot and creates the most wonderful flaming muzzle blast. and to top it all is very pleasant as to recoil.
Yesssss. I believe DemoRanch had/has one. It looked awesome!
@@extragoogleaccount6061 It was, wasn't it.
I shot one of these once, shot very well. Beer cans at 25 yards were easy. Had to hit them on the bottom edge to make them fly.
@@randaldavis8976 Oh lucky you. I would dearly love to own one.
(edit) can't spell for beans sometimes.
If I had infinite money, an Automag III and a Coonan 357 would definitely be in my 1911-ish collection.
On my automag, it came with the accessory 357amp barrel/receiver, what stood out, the caliber conversion was all nickel plated conventional steel, the only explanation ( from unreliable sources) was it was a early version.
I seem to remember that there were problems with stainless-on-stainless galling pretty badly.
You thing you should mention about the Auto Mag is that it is the only big bore auto pistol where you can swap barrels/calibers and you don't have to re-sight in the gun since the sights are on the barrels. If you swap barrels/calibers on the Wildey, Grizzly, Coonan, Desert Eagle, or Automag pistols, you have to jerk around resetting the sights to hit point of aim. Not so with the Auto Mag.
And for you newbies, the Auto Mag and Automag are two completely different pistols.
I remember 80s Punisher comics Frank carried one of these, that's how I 1st learned about this pistol.
Getting this gun to work seems like a lifetime task, or at least a hobby for retirees with infinite time on their hands.
Someone tries,fails and then another one does the some think.Over and over again.And I have to be honest AutoMag and M1911 are my favorite handguns if we won't add revolvers so it is marvelius to see someone tries to make them work.
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@@waynes.1118 Hi, I had 3 Auto Mags in the 70's. I always told my fellow shooters hand loading for it was like tuning a Indy 500 race car engine. Just one tenth of a grain up or down could make a difference in functioning the gun properly. So first You had to find a load that would function the Auto Mag. And out of those few loads how accurate were they. Tried several different powders but my favorite was W296. My best and favorite Load was 32.0 W296 behind a 200gr Hornady JHP with 100% functioning - how accurate - at 25 yards using a sandbag to steady me I would shoot 2 to 3 inch groupings all day - 6.5 inch barrel. And I had one 357 load that using 296( don't remember the amount) behind a 90 grain jacketed Hemi lead nose bullet that functioned 99%. I loved going out to the Mountains shooting are 100 to 150 yards.
Charles Bronson would've loved a follow-up video on a Wildey.
Always liked the look of the AutoMag. One of my friend's father (now passed away) bought two .44 AMP as an investment but never fired them. I reload 357 Sig and many other challenging cartridges so can imagine what a task the .357AMP would be.
Another great video! In the late 70's there was a magazine published by a fellow named Myron Fass called".44 Mag And Magnums". I only recall seeing two issues but it showed a wide array of Auto Mag content including models with 16" barrels etc. This may have been during the time that Lee Jurras was making them. I also seem to remember mention of a .41 AMP chambering.
41 JMP "J" was for Jurras
@@HebrewHammerArmsCo I had forgotten about the JMP designation. Thank you!
Well, this is one I never knew about, and it makes the AutoMag story even more intriguing.
Loved the video!! Auto Mag coming back is all gooooood!!
*accidentally loads magazine of .357 AMP
4:18 "Remember, switching to your other barrel is faster than reloading"
IIRC, there was also a 41 AMP conversion that was rumored to exist.
The .41 caliber round was labelled .41 JMP, JMP standing for Jurras Magnum Pistol.
The 70s and 80s were just a wild time of gun ideas and development eh? Weird shit like this or the calicos
Now I want to see the jacket shear off the .357amp
Speer Hot Core bullets with the half jacket had a problem with core/jacket separation Oddly enough, it was when you loade3d them too light, the jacket would sometimes also stick in the bore or go sailing off somewhere.
i just love it when he digresses
Great review. I remember these. The .357 was of great interest and it seems a friend had one. He had no problems that I'm aware of but I dont know how much he shot it.
Thanks for sharing. You shared much I did not know.
God bless all here.
Looks just like the pistol Sean Connery was holding in a lot of the early Bond film posters, which was actually a BB gun.
That's the cartridge that caught my eye when the Automags were first introduced when I was a kid. I love bottleneck cartridges to this day.
I love them. They look like little baby rifle cartridges
@@Gameprojordan When I first saw .17 HMR I wanted a rifle in that caliber just because of the looks of the cartridge. I didn't get one because I just don't need another caliber to feed, especially with the cost of non-reloadable ammo.
That .357 AMP cartridge looks so much like a .357 SIG.
My experience is that the 357 AMP was more popular with shooters than the 44 AMP or 45 Win Mag. I’ve have clients bring me or shot with them Auto Mags, Wildeys, Grizzlys, and the IMI version AutoMag. Every single example was in 357 AMP or had a 357 barrel - and that was the one they shot with. The Grizzly was the easiest to tune to run as it was well made and just a spring change would usually tune the gun to the load desired. The AMT/IMI was so poorly made there were usually stacking problems. The Wildey, well, you just had to tune the load to the pistol.
Of the guns listed the Widley is the most difficult to get running. Had an odd ball load that was running well but extremely dirty.
This cartridge is why I wish they'd gotten the bugs out of the AutoMag. If .357 AMP had taken off, we might have carbines in this round- adding ~300fps, if you can get the bullets to not disintegrate that would be useful.
Ian, I appreciate you immensely. You have taught me so much over the years. Thank You.
Damn that pistol looks awesome
it's 7:04 AM, I cannot sleep as I am stuck in a horribly uncomfortable position. unfortunately, my cat is sleeping on my legs so i cannot fully adjust myself and refuse to upset the cat and make it walk away.
Perfect if your kid is going to overthrow Skynet one day, so you have to deal with regular murder robots from the future.
Like some others said; the new automag company needs to make conversion kits, and get with someone like star line brass to make cases.
Can't you just use 308 cases cut down?
Starline make 44 AMP
Starline has a bunch of their brass lines tied up by other big manufacturers right now. Getting them to make something special for you right now is basically impossible.
Thru the mid 1980's Numrich arms offered these conversions, I'm guessing after they bought the last of the Automag stock, or from one of the companies failing.
We had someone who had one of the original guns in the really early run buy one of the sets from Numrich and I don't think he nor our gunsmith ever got it running right, lending credence to Ian's assertion that they were hand fitted guns
That’s hard to find in the market becuase collectors hoard them. Cool stuff
High standard kept the barrel disassembly for this exactly like they had on the sport king. Very interesting to see this
15 years ago or so, I saw a dealer at a gunshot with a consignment pair of Auto Mags, consecutively numbered - one in .44AMP and one in .357AMP, with a set of loading dies for each pistol. I recall the price seeming stupidly inexpensive - $1800 each caliber, or $3000 for the lot.
I did not bite, even though I was really tempted, as it was a bit more than my gun budget allowed for that day. In retrospect, I'm glad I passed on it. I likely would have been terribly frustrated and disappointed, given how common issues with the 1970s-80s Auto Mags are.
$3000 for the entire kit 15 years ago was a bit on the steep side, but if you had bought it and just kept it it could easily have gone up way more than inflation simply because people buy them and then shoot them. Until they break.
I have three Automags. I have been able to get them to function. Much easier to get them to run than a Widley.
Now go over the Dan Wesson .357 Magnum model 715 revolver with it's "quick change" barrels of different lengths as well as the "quick change" front sights in 3 different colors (white, red, yellow).
Started production in the early 70s, and jumped 3 different manufacturing locations between 5 different owners before eventually ceasing production of revolvers entirely in 2005.
CZ tried to bring the revolver line back in 2015 but quickly stopped making them again in 2018 because no one was really buying them at $2k for the "pistol pack". Supposedly the "pistol packs" are still available however they're nowhere on either CA-USA or Dan Wesson's websites.
I'm sure if you put a feeler out someone has one along with the original briefcase they came in that was made specifically for Dan Wesson by American Tourister.
Yes, that's right, American Tourister the luggage company made the briefcases for the original Dan Wesson .357 "pistol pack".
It was an expensive pistol far ahead of its time but pretty damned accurate and with a smooth DA/SA trigger that breaks really clean.
The design of the longer barrel version reminds me a lot of a Czech 177 pellet pistol I had in the 1970s. I used it until the air cylinder gave out, it was that much fun.
That is a spectacular piece... The design of an automag goes so good with a slender barrel as opposed to a fatty slugthrower that it came with for a short version... This looks pornografic!
I found most of the super caliber pistols tend to be fairly finicky regarding what ammunition works reliably in them. Sometimes even when the case and bullet is the same as the last round, a different powder brand and charge (even though giving the same velocity) is enough to initiate jams. My Wildey is an example of that. With one powder charge type and charge it works perfectly, but change anything and you will expend 40 rounds just trying to find the best gas port setting. Then we get into what is the gun intended use scenario, and is there anything more or less equivalent on the market that will do the same job but less cumbersome to carry, use and develop a load for, and of course what is the financial cost compared to the curio semi auto hand made pistol that can only use hand loaded ammunition. I looked at the Automag at a time some gun stores actually had AMTs in stock. Their sticker price even back then was like 3x the cost of a new Cold Gold Cup 1911. Their only observable advantage over a S&W M29 was being slimmer but off set by being much more expensive, heavier, more cumbersome, and required forming your brass by hand (Norma hadn't started offering the loads yet) versus simply buying a box of .44 magnum ammunition, So I passed. By the time commercially made .44amp ammunition was available those first guns had vanished from the gun shops I visited in those days. I new of the .357 variant, but even back in those days I heard how finicky it was and the bullet jacket issues you speak of. Faster bullets require thicker jackets and probably internal partitioning of the bullet like the XTPs do.
my .44 AM is for EDC..
all of my loads are worked up for defending myself against velociraptors. which will undoubtedly be among us soon, if the movies have taught me anything about science..
I feel like 357 amp would have been excellent for an autoloading carbine like the one Ruger made in 44 magnum. You could probably get 1800 fps with a 180 grain bullet out of an 18-20 inch barrel. With some of the modern 357 bullets available that are designed for rifles this might be an excellent brush gun option.
There was some 357 amp ammo made in mexico my boss had one in the early 80s and he had a bunch of that ammo
Loved the Automag since first seeing it in the 80's . Curious to know how they used to bottle neck the 44 AMP casing to house the 357 bullet? Also the Beverly Hills cop 2 thing with the gunsmith saying they used to cut down 308 cases for the 44 Automag - is that true? cheers
Not likely. The base of a .308 Win case is .47in in diameter, while a .44 Mag (can't find specs on .44 AMP, but images show them to be nearly identical except for the time) has a case diameter of .457 in. Maybe close to the eye, but .013 in. is quite significant when it comes to a chamber size.
Actually, someone asked Ian this very question in one of the earlier q&a’s and Ian confirmed the scriptwriters got that part right. Can’t remember which specific q&a it was
Yes, .44 AMP cases were made from .308 cases (also .30-06 from what I know). It appears that for once in hollywood both the armourer knew their sh*t AND somebody involved listened to them.
2 necking dies, a Neck Reaming Die, Full length Size and File Trim die..... RCBS Custom Shop made them. And yes, 308 cases...
@@Stevarooni .44Mag case diameter is the extra for the rim, .44Amp is rimless, same as .308.
They were also talking about .45 Winchester Magnum.
Definitely a cool "little" gun. Given all th caveats about ammunition and handfitting, I am not surprised commercial success eluded the Automag. Hmm . . . one odd little thing, I find myself oddly disappointed that the 357 Automag didn't have a higher magazine capacity. than the 44 version, .
I love my Auto-Mags. I inherited a Beautiful Auto-Mag with 3 caliber conversions (2 factory and 1 aftermarket) 357AMP, 44AMP and 41JMP in a fitted case.
Have you seen the new Automag D yet?
I would imagine that studying the ins and outs of hand loading the 357 Bain & Davis cartridge would be enlightening before trying the 357 AMP
Totally read that title as 160 “inch” .357. Got really excited.
Thank you , Ian .
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Ian is killing it with the titles these days
Ian said. " I digress a bit". Yeah, right. We want to hear every word. Digress all you want Ian, Please digress.
Wasn't the .44 auto mag the gun that Brigitte Nielsen used in Beverly Hills Cop 2? It's been a long time since I saw it, but I seem to remember something about a 44 auto mag casing being part of how they tracked the criminals.
Now your next mission is to find Automags in 22 AMP, 25 AMP and 30 AMP . Shame Lee Jurras died a few years ago.... He probably had the most extensive collection of Automags in the world..
Beautiful pistol... Automag is badass
Necking it down is pretty similar to the 357-44 b&d.
I think it would have been better if it was a 223 based, like the 357 max-ar wildcat, but instead at that 1.290” case length.
Unrelated to this video - I have a suggestion for the BUG match that you regularly participate in. 10 round limit. One silhouette target. From 50 yards away, sprint 10 yards forward, then engage target.
Hopefully the new owners will bring this one back. Together with the rest of the AutoMag series.
Me want AutoMag III in .30 Carbine.
I have always wondered what gun James Bond is shown holding in the “Thunderball” marquis photo….that is never seen in the movie. This looks a lot like it.
The gun JB is holding on the Thunderball poster is a german Walter airgun :-)
The world need more rimless magnum cartridges.
I remember the DC comic the Warlord he used a .44 auto mag
Seeing how nonexistent 45 GAP shooters are these days, I can't even imagine what a pain in the ass it would be to get the brass needed to reload this
This is such a Cyberpunk gun, I love it. I want to add it into my campaign as an Old Gun.
Holy shit. Now that you point it out it does fit perfectly into cyberpunk.
@@genghiskhan6809 Yeah this is definitely something you'd find in a near future pawn shop, or being carried by some retrofuture street gunslinger.
Such a Buck Rogers looking thing...reminds me of the pistol Queen Amidala uses in Episode 1 Star Wars
Great video and very informative
.357 Grizzly Win Mag would be another good one to review....45 Win Mag necked to .357 in a LAR Grizzly pistol. Better performance will come with heavier for caliber bullets, as the cases have plenty of capacity. Should be able to get 1800+fps out of an 8" barrel with WW296 or H110.
"My pistol has a quick-change barrel"
"u wot"
I hope to see you do a demo at the range
I was reading ballistic charts the other day and the data basically said an Underwood Xtreme Defender in .357 Sig made the largest possible permanent wound cavity of all guns tested.
Now I want to see a .357 Xtreme Defender bullet atop an AMP cartridge.
automags are really neat. i really like the ones that have like a rail on the barrel like a shotgun.
Jacket separation sounds bad but I bet it'd be fucking cool to see a slow mo of that happening.
Hey Ian I have noticed that recently your videos seem to be 60FPS uploads that are shot 24FPS. Have you switched cameras, editor settings or something?
Rimless 357/44 Brain & Davis. Load data for that one is in the Hornady manual #10. Not sure of #11. Haven't got that one yet.
This .357 AUTOMAG reminds me of .357 B&D
357 AMP looks like 22TCM got angry and hulked out.
Pretty gun
no u
How, the video is only 10 minutes old. How did you watch it 15 minutes ago?
Automag 357, for when you think your Automag is just too reliable
No problems with two 44 AMP's and a 357 AMP. Took some experimentation to get them to run but they all run reliable now.
Dear Ruger:
Lock the action open, flip down a lever, and the barrel comes off.
In a magnum centerfire pistol.
Try it. It might just work for rimfire as well.
It does work. It's called a high standard sport king or a Victor. Lock slide back, push button, barrel falls off, slide slides off frame. They've been a thing for almost as long as the original Ruger Mark.
Easy there, Ian--starting to flirt with the forbidden fancies of custom loading!
Join us, young padawan...
Just set my speed to .5x thanks to Spiff and it made the intro into this seem hilarious. Like Ian is super drunk trying to have perfect diction so he's talking really slow.
I do enjoy these big ridiculous guns!
Wonder if there are any desert eagles floating around in .41 mag and .357 mag. Those are certainly forgotten weapons.
Look like a monster Luger!
So to shoot a .357 you had to measure the chamber/head space and produce ammo to match?