The Division 2 New and Returning Players Are QUITTING EARLY!
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- Are new or returning players quitting early? Find out why in this video as we uncover the reasons behind player turnover in The Division 2 community.
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So wrong about expertise an expertise 25 weapon time to kill is barely a frame from a non expertise.
Do some research on what u are talking about, horrible as fog identy.
Expertise sucks! Im tired of running countdown and getting 140 items trashed and only get maybe 1 point towards expertise
I feel your pain. I understand the grind trust me.
me to bro
I'm just starting to understand this, and the answer to your problem is to change the targeted loot. If you get 140 items that you already have proficient you are correct, it all gets trashed... Right now it seems to be a balance of my build is good enough vs changing my targeted loot to some gear set brand or weapon I am not even interested in to get expertise up quicker... change your targeted loot to something you never use or don't like and do one run.. See how much your expertise goes up...
It's a looter shooter. It's about the grind. I don't like it but I personally signed up for it. For all of you at Exp 25, Congrats! I'm grinding through level 16 and trying to get to your level.
@@titanlong3726 16 to 25 is too hard.
💯🎯 Expertise grinding is crazy. I have been at 6 for so long.
Yeah it’s definitely a grind no doubt! But if you’re willing to grind it out. It will definitely keep you busy
Great video, bro. I didn't put much time into this game for the leveling system I felt was broken, but other than the leveling, the gameplay was cool! Thanks for sharing this.
For sureeee 😎
The Expertise system is one of the worst grinds I’ve ever seen in a video game. Busy work from the devs in lieu of new meaningful content.
Best alternative to this is: Daily Login Rewards…like most long-term games have 👍🏾
Si the worst no dude
You say it’s well worth it… how many hours you have in the game?
It's a long term grind new people assume they should get in a day.
They already nerfed SHD health benefits, and expertise is already marginal regardless in terms of benefits. A bigger gripe is how pointless of an upgrade it is for the time and mats invested.
It's an end-game grind for long term players, not a day 1 requirement ala SHD 1k.
They already nerfed the shit out of mats, but could probably also nerf the xp required to level proficiency, if anything.
Even if you have lvl25, actually buffing your gear is already prohibitively, ludicrously expensive regardless.
I kept repeating the war lords of New York story until I reach 25 to a point where I almost literally threw up but it’s done I feel better now
lol I definitely did it like 25+ times myself lmao
@@AKingsCreation lol the grind is unforgettable
No doubt
I just started my 3rd mule last night...
I posted this deep below and didn't really see an answer.. Should I be maxing out the stats on the weapons and gear I am using most before even messing with expertise? My guess is yes.. But that requires taking all those points I'm getting from scavenging now which is few and far between and spending them on something besides printer filament to be able to max out stats on weapons and gear??
Yes always max out your attributes and stats before you do any expertise….thats what I’m saying is the grind and it’s extremely dragged out but it does keep you playing…the issue is your doing this playthrough with 100s and 100s of rerunning the same content over and over
I've been playing since dv 1, new players need to figure out wat works for them. I have a method an I love it levels resources an money to recalibrate. But you have to play the game you have to start some were it'll never be at the top but it'd learning to understand the game trust the process
If you were to start all over today… would you still say the same thing? That’s the concern new players are struggling with that long grind.. I know your answer would more than likely shift to “no” because why…it took to long to get to where you are.
I am a day one player only taking a break for a about a year after burning myself out chasing levels. Upon returning to the game I gained a new perspective and now play a more casual approach. Sure I invest in the expertise but casually, I’m more invested in my builds “ off meta “ I might add , that’s what keeps my interest at the moment. Thank you for your content 👊🏾
Word thank you for watching 👊🏾
I dont even play this game. I dont know how i got here. But i like how you are very understanding for the sake of this games community. I subbed for that.
Sure, thank you very much for the support 🙏🏾
I am a returning player I played for a year at launch an was a div 1 vet prob had 3000 plus hours ,an this is what is giving me a headache it's just so overwhelming, thanks for the great content new sub .
Thank you 🙏🏾 I try my best!
Still not 25 been playing for years
Need to get on those new character runs 👍🏾
Hey brother, thanks for the vid. Well yeah its one looong grind, almost no matter which path you chose. However, Division 2 was designed to last for ever, so the grind will be endless. Sucks a little bit yeah, but at least it keeps Agents busy.
“Nothing lasts forever”. The grind on a 6 year game from 0 is pointless. Not even Destiny 2 does this and they are around the same age. It’s not about grinding day in and day out it’s about keeping players playing. Valid opinion you make though.
New here Just seeing your video I totally agree with the expertise system especially the exotic components they will charge you 4 to 5 exotic components once you level 20 including your materials they charge more to double up your gear and your guns it's ridiculous You literally have to be on vacation or have no job to do this
Or it will just take you a lot longer than those who are decently established… no doubt
What I’m thinking about is after all this grind for people are they gonna move our expertise over to Division 3 when it comes out????
Absolutely not
What does your watch level have to do with expertise?? I’m a 531 just returned a few weeks ago. I’m at expertise level 4 now. How can someone with a 1300 watch level get expertise up quicker? Maybe I’m missing something
Watch this video to find out 😏:
EXPERTISE 25: #1 METHOD to Maximum Proficiency in Division 2
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Because you can donate materials to upgrade your items proficiency rank which in turn upgrades your expertise. With my watch of over 7k I can run warlords of new york, and get over 6k scavenging points on a fresh watch that I can turn into whatever materials that I want. You at just 531 cannot do that. I can level up WAY faster than you.
You hit a wall around expertise level 14. Yeah it suuuccckks
@@AKingsCreation I watched your video before but didn't really "get it" I guess, or understand it. Basically once my watch hits 1000 and I no longer have to spec into the other 4 main items, the extra points I do get will level up my scavenging quicker so I can put that towards printer filament to gain proficiency. SOOOO the next question is, Should I be maxing out the stats on the weapons and gear I am using most before even messing with expertise? My guess is yes.. But that requires taking all those points I'm getting from scavenging now which is few and far between and spending them on something besides printer filament to be able to max out stats on weapons and gear....
@@HustleLifee Thanks man... I was wondering how my buddy at 5k was getting his watch level up so quickly while we were playing together.. I got 30 I think and he said he had leveled up almost 80 doing the same thing I was... That's broke AF...
iirc it was added in response to late game players complaining that they had nothing to do, it’s essentially just designed to be a massive item sink, a place where you can funnel all your junk items, along with simultaneously encouraging you to use items you otherwise wouldn’t, and in return players who have already maxed out all their builds can continue slightly improving over time. It’s supposed to take a long time, it’s supposed to be expensive to upgrade items. This is an end END game feature. You are not supposed to be able to grind out levels upon levels just by having some people carry you through a bunch of countdowns. The first few levels come easily by themselves, but it very quickly just becomes more convenient to make expertise a passive grind. There is 0 reason to ever farm specifically FOR loot to donate, for every item you’re farming for you’ll get a good 100 junk items perfectly able to be donated. And as I mentioned, the bonuses from expertise are pretty minimal. The only items ever worth upgrading is your most frequently used weapons and certain skills. If you have a build that isn’t fully optimised or doesn’t have every single attribute rolled correctly, expertise is the last of your concerns.
In my opinion, expertise is fine, i actually think think it’s a pretty clever system. People just don’t know how to approach it and seem to think it’s supposed to be a singular intense grind, which applies in many other aspects of the game, but definitely not here
You’re saying it’s an easy grind? What about DZ Exclusives, or Raid Exotics… most of the additional items require knowledge or to be carried by someone with knowledge or a team with good dps (expertise vets). The point being made is you can’t name a single game outside of Division that makes new players grind from 0 to Catch up to current players after 5-6 years. Destiny is a prime example of this with its Light System hinting way it has a bigger population and has the funds to make better content…Division is Diminishing it’s popularity and canceling its future game “Heartland” for example because the developers or executives don’t know how to properly made a game structure built to benefit everyone. People need to realize this game was about to be shut down after its FIRST YEAR OUT because the community got bored and left….new developers step in…and made it better but now are also repeating that same cycle with this system
@@AKingsCreation I’m not saying it’s easy. I’m saying it’s passive and it’s a long term goal. DZ exotics can be obtained through many ways that aren’t the DZ, such as seasonal manhunt bounties or named item caches. And you can still get XP just from having g the item equipped, including as your secondary, so raid exotics and the like where you don’t find many dupes you can just use to level up (you shouldn’t be donating any exotics anyway ftr). Besides, if there are items you don’t have (such as the stinger or enforcer, which very few players do have) just donate materials. As you say in the video that’s how a lot of people farm all their expertise levels anyway. Even if you aren’t farming WONY for materials, it’s extremely easy to hit the maximum for the grey materials, just donate those once you hit 9999. Also there’s no such thing as being carried by expertise, tf? If the difference between you winning and losing is expertise, it’s a problem with your build. That’s the bottom line; expertise really isn’t as important as people make it out to be, with the only somewhat exception being PVP, but even then the expertise level difference between two people needs to be pretty significantly, and skill is still a much bigger determining factor.
If you really think a game is unfair because someone with a build they’ve spent over a hundred hours farming for and leveling up has a relatively meagre statistical advantage over you, a player with less than a hundred hours total, I really don’t know what to say to you.
There is a difference… if there was not expertise wouldn’t even be a thing…come on now. That’s like saying the devs just threw a system in the game for us all to grind just for there to be no difference. That would be a mega “lie” towards their community which I would assume they wouldn’t do. Also, have you tried doing a legendary mission solo with no expertise…im 1,000% sure you will struggle less with 25 expertise everything vs 0 expertise no matter what build you craft. Have you been kicked from countdown matches before lvl 100 because vets above 1,000 know you don’t have the dps to do it….like I get your picking at one factor but your also not considering the rest. Then you also say it’s easy to get 9,999 materials without WONY. How long do think it will to take to do that without any global events active? Then you also say overtime….sure how long you think new players are gonna keep rerunning the same content to level up just to rerun the same content…like I said think of all factors not just one.
@@AKingsCreation obviously there is *a* difference, but you’re exaggerating the severity of it. Yes you may struggle less with high expertise at any content, but as I said if expertise is the difference between you BEING ABLE to do content or NOT, it is either a problem with you or your build.
Low level players get kicked from HEROIC countdown because between their watch level and their subpar builds they usually don’t have the DPS to finish it and just end up leeching. Their problem isn’t expertise. Their builds are either bad, or they aren’t fully optimised. Literally this past week I ran 2 incursions, one with a 6k SHD with 20+ expertised gear, and a one with a level 20 SHD, his first ever incursion. We wiped easily 7 times with the veteran, and with the level 20? Twice. The difference? The level 20 was using a better DPS build, even despite it being far from maxed and 0 expertise. Low level players should just play challenging countdown, most people below ~650 SHD likely just don’t have the stats/experience to pull their own weight in heroic.
Hitting 9999 in GREY materials as I specified is not hard at all (I’m talking about receiver components and protective fabrics) I do it at least every couple weeks.
And as for running the same content, there is a surprising amount to do in this game. Vast open world with activities, heaps of missions with diverse settings, bounties, summit, conflict, descent, dark zones, hell even raids. The best part about playing all of these? You will earn items the whole time to passively level your expertise. Is it as efficient as grinding countdown all day? No, but it’s a hell of a lot more fun.
In slightly over a year (I beat WONY for the first time last may, and I took a break of about 1-2 months at the start of this year) I have gone from 0 expertise to 18 expertise never having made new characters to donate materials and never having farmed items specifically to donate. Just by donating garbage and playing with different builds.
I understand that but the reason you were able to go to 0-18 faster now is because of project resolve they changed and adjusting the exotic components from 144 to get to 25 to 44… and not a single person who grinded to 24 expertise before this change complained ….im not seeing why it’s hard for people to accept change for the better what makes it easier is “making it easier” also. How long do you think it takes to farm a maxed rolled gear perfectly… or getting the materials to max out the attributes from scratch … also once again you state your facts off of teamplay…let’s talk about those who only prefer to solo? Which as time goes on that’s what most do now… how long does it take someone to answer a back up call now?…. The popularity and population is diminishing slowly where it can be unnoticed or rapidly to those study the player count monthly….. because of all the content you mentioned still being overplayed…what’s crazy is I’m being attacked for expressing other people’s feelings and comments “I literally put in the video!” And to be honest I did that on purpose to see how all of you think. And I don’t regret it one bit.
FYI - conflict will get your SHD up FAST. I’m close to 7000 and wasn’t 5000 when they made that change.
And I’m sure you probably play more than the average person with a family, job, etc, too? Yes? Also, 70%+ of the community doesnt PvP….
It is insane. I have a +5000 SHD level and still don't have max expertise level. It's too time consuming.
Totally understandable!
To level the expertise level fast. Is by breaking mods!
Sure after 1300 levels that’s what spends up the deconstruction process
I think I'm level 1500 and I absolutely hate the expertise system. I made 2 other characters for material and it still takes a long ass time. Couldn't imagine starting as a new player. I would love it if they got rid of it.
Exactly. 👍🏾
Slaughter reset your account right now since comments are ignorant and if you don’t.. you are ignorant yourself…and I bet you…you won’t..because you DONT WANT TO GRIND FROM THE BEGINNING you just love being disrespectful to people.
I wish that the deves look at this vid I just came back to this game a year and a half I have a friend that just started and now stop because of this now we are playing breakpoint thanks for this vid I no it’s old
Your welcome bro I hope they see this video as well
It just taskes to long but i get it
Yup 👍🏾
As I wright this, im currently SHD level 2381, and expertise 17, I came back in October of 2023 an i was SHD level 185, I left after a few months after WONY came out, the expertise system is such a pain in the ass. WONY runs are not terrible but gets boring rq. The exotic componets is what i hate the most because its difficult enough to get them in general. I hate grinding them, its not worth the effot trying to get to 25. I personally gave up trying to get to 25 because of how bad this process is.
Understandable
Honestly I think everyone should get all the watch stats after New York automatically….. that’s the disadvantage that players have after hitting shd level 1 . And leveling up shd should be for expertise and or for getting watch points to get materials.
Not a bad way to look at it 👍🏾
I’m an day 1 div1 player and went straight to div2 so I know the grind I’m currently exp lvl 23 took about a year off and just returned already had 4 characters and had left them stacked had 67 exotic cashes and over 300 exotic components in resources am shd lvl 2500 so it’s kinda easy for me to catch up just running my mule through ny to catch up easy peasy and even though I love this game if I had to start all over like yo said fam I’d probably be playing cod or something else the grind has to be grueling from zero when there are veteran players who will just always be stronger than you has to suck for new players ✌️
Definitely
How long u be playing? I been playing last two years
2300+ hrs. You think a new player can put that much time in at year 6… let’s realize something here…not everyone is will to put that many hours in a 6 year old game! Not even Destiny allows this. Most of these comments are coming from players who play nothing but Division if they played other games they would realize that there is a much easier way to implement the expertise to work for everyone!
@@AKingsCreationthis game is not for everyone.
Why cut all the time that we other players that have put time into this game over other games?
During conflict all the watch and exp don't count
Okay lol….what about the rest of the game that actually doesn’t require pvping
Give us level 10 and the grind, but 0 to 25 is hard
Wordd.
Division is and always will be a day 1 grind....those who don't play day 1 will always be behind....the devs made key major mistakes
1- Warlords behind paywall- splitting the community between 30 and 40 gear players.
2- Expertise system- Every looter shooter needs to have a grind for long term but expertise further separates.....I don't mind the expertise system because I invested my time to do it....what I think they should have done is just like gear score, create different dz tiers to fight players within your range of expertise....not put noobs with seasoned players for the slaughter
3- Many players cannot get prior seasons loot or blueprints....after every season, rewards/blueprints need to be placed into open world activities.
Yeah these are all valid points. Not a bad way at looking at it bro! 👊🏾
As a returning player, stopped after WONY I feel this message is diminishing what some players have accomplished. However I get the idea of helping out new players. Allow them to start gaining experience using gear and weapons at 30, allow gear donation at 40. Then once the reach 1k watch printer filament unlocks. It’s way to get them used to the system early on and gives them reason to use other items
What is diminishing is the player population that’s the biggest issue. We have too many players testing the game and then quitting the game. There is a strong turnover. I’m not sure if your on other socials but there are posts everywhere about how players have stopped because the game is old and grinding seemed unnecessary
I play this game since day 1 understand how u guys feel expertise is grind including Watch lv devs don't listen to the player's exotics is hard We just got hope dv3 don't have this systems. It's up to u guys want play this game or not there are games u guys can play sticking to 1 game that's only thing can say
Word.
Need to someone who can speack with ubisoft that expertize sistem to take off on the game .They can do that but need someone to tell them.
Maybe they already know. A few devs watch my tweets so maybe they seen this and will read the comments
@@AKingsCreation Yeah maybe.
i had over 3000 hours on div 1. dz pvp player. played it everyday. bought div 2 when it came out and despised how pvp felt. returned to div 2 a little over a week ago and am at shd 250. finally figured out exactly how expertise worked like 3 days ago. after coming to the realization about how it works, i sat there and thought to myself, "do i even want to continue playing?" everyone in the dz has maxxxxxxx expertise and stats on every weapon and gear piece. im still playing everyday but spending less time on the game each day because it seems like its going to take an eternity to get up to par with everyone else. pve, expertise doesnt really matter to me because im not really up against an unfair advantage. i can choose which difficulty to play on. however, for pvp its a complete disadvantage. i understand end game isnt pvp for everyone but it is for me and the expertise system is a huge turn off. i will forever be putting myself in a lose lose scenario unless i slave hundreds if not thousands of hours playing pve content aka countdown just so i can FINALLY play the game how i want to play. i see comments of people who say they would be mad if they got rid of expertise but like you said, if i and other players with similar mindsets quit the game then there will be far less people playing which is terrible for matchmaking, the community, and the game franchise. if expertise existed in div 1 and i had 3k hours played, i would not give a shit if they removed it cause that means theres more people in the dz for me to play against. i wouldnt be surprised if i quit this game within the next couple weeks
MY POINT EXACTLY! GREAT WAY OF THINKING ABOUT BOTH SIDES
Honestly I’ve been playing the game since day 1, the devs dont listen to player feedback and the expertise system is a low value way to get your agent to level 50. Instead of them introducing level 50, this is what you get because old players didnt want to grind all new loot over from level 40 to 50.
And look how it’s hurting the community…smh games too old to let players feel like this.
People are quitting because ubisoft /massive completely mishandled the expertise system. It should have been tied to the watch leveling system.
Yeah they just need a better structure with it no doubt
I'm level 275 and im in the DZ all the time. I run a cheese repair skill build that can out sustain. So i barely die but i will get wrecked by good players especially if they get close to me with the ouroboros. But it's manageable with high level expertise players that are too cocky.
That’s good that you can do that…but what about the “others” that can’t.
@@AKingsCreation They'll leave the game as you say. The grind is insane.
Exactly my point the game is too old now to have loses
When they implemented the expertise level in the game, I quit after a few months of trying to grind and noticing when I go into the dark zone, my regular fully maxed build would be outmatched by a person that was expertise level two or three with the same build that was early in the game now that most players are level 25, it way harder!
I came back because they modified the game thinking that It would make a difference in the game , but It hasn’t so I play a lot of conflict ( because everyone is on an even playing field ) but even then you run into inconsistent gaming due to the fact that your build doesn’t work the same way in conflict as it would in the DZ and you can’t move around like in the dark zone, because it’s a smaller area so I go in the dark zone every great moon until I run into a person with all 25 level gear and guns, then it’s back to conflict or pve! Or change game They should’ve never put the expertise level in the game from beginning. I understand this is Luder shooter and you need to grind, but it’s ridiculous to try and catch up to guys with shade levels that is in the double digit thousands smh
Wordd
Break mods and they turn into printer filaments!
Same response I replied to need 1300+ shd to double the speed of this
Got 12 lvl exp, without trying, took few years to level up by just playing, not worth going further, cant tell a difference between 0 and 12.
What about a difference between 0 and 25! 😂
Dunno, probably not very noticeable, i wont go to tbat, too much effort and time wasted for a little reward.
Yeah if you only want to PVE then sure 💯
Agreed with you.. i am a family guy at 800 shd and it takes almost a year to get that far.. expertise?? I'm just a moving decoy in DZ for those rogues 🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂
I wish I could help everyone out by giving them good information on how to farm properly,but some other content creators might put out a video on it, screaming fix this it's broken,fix this it isn't fair, i help everyone I run with,so thank the crying creators for not letting me share how i farm for materials because they don't know or didn't put it out there first!!
What are you talking about I got videos on how to farm everything in this game maybe you need to watch my division playlist before you comment this
@@AKingsCreation Farming materials to donate for expertise is more simple than you or anyone else thinks,not talking about you as far as crying and complaining but others, sometimes people just need to figure it out when there's so many ass kissers out there!!
🤔 interesting
It's a 5+ year old game...
You don't need 1300 levels. I expertised my whole library when I returned to game after leaving in year one before WoNY. You will need to run the expansion on a new character a few times. You can do it once in a 4, 4 1/2 hr session. I did it a few times to get to level 23/24 at the time.
They just did project resolve to fix a ton (broke a little... Happens with games you've added this much and changed around since yr 1)
They aren't changing it.
I think you contradicted yourself here. You say you don’t need 1300 shd levels to expertise but your over 1300 shd expertise leveling?? I’m confused…
Sure but you won’t receive SHD points until your 1200 SHD
I'm having a hard time justifying the time spent in The Division lately. I have all the weapons and gear I want. All the weapons are level 25 expertise and most of the gear is close to that. On Heroic with four directives active, I'm chewing through control points and missions so easily that it's getting boring. It's very monotonous. Same stuff week after week.
A lot of people can agree with this for sure
Im a returning player with 3k shd i dont agree with the expertise leveling system for pvp. If anything it should be a pve thing. I have great gear but i can't even compete or match someones with a shitty build because of their 20 weapon proficiency. Pvp should be leveled out not reward someone for spending x amount of time grinding or cheesing mechanics for mats. As a returning player i like some of the changes but to put in a crazy amount of hours to grind expertise is not something im wiling to do.
Word
Nooooo it shouldn't be taken away. If I've been working in a company for years, i wouldn't like getting paid same amount as a guy hired last week. They should start from the bottom and work up to the top. Every game should have something to grind for
Yesss I agree that is true. But at the same time most of the other games have resets you can’t give me another game in the same genre as big or if not bigger than Division that doesn’t have a reset every season and/or DLC. So yeahh regardless of the grind. The main point is “continued grinding” this is not the same as a “job”
If you want that game mechanic then play those games. TD2 isn’t like that and has never been that way. You don’t really agree here at all. You want everyone on the same playing field even though they’ve made the grind already. I just started last year and it took me about a month to catch up to all my friends that started the game on release. There’s too many discord communities for this game for anyone to have any legitimate issues with leveling up a character to end game. But to say everyone should be reset every season is diabolical. New players may not be at the end game after finishing wony but they have it way easier than everyone else compared to when they started. The dark zone isn’t a place for casual players. It’s competitive and makes the expertise grind feel rewarding. For the rest of the game it’s not necessary at all. Speed running to casual game play it’s not necessary. To be fair many either don’t know how to farm or don’t want to farm in this game. But it’s not hard to grind out a few hundred exotics every week in the dz for new and old players alike. I’m not a pvp player but I go where I need to go if I want it bad enough.
That’s great you do that but the majority that is not you, or in your communities, don’t feel that way.. so your points are just as important as theirs not above or below. Your opinion is just in the pool with the rest of us
Is true is suck Expertise I am 25 but I had to put so many hours to this game.
1,000s of hours! Imagine starting over now 😫😫
@@AKingsCreation I will put the game away and never play it.
Exactly my point …. Smh.
The sad part is I just sold my PS5 and now i'm starting over from scratch on PC.. Five year grind down the drain... Just completed my second character.. And after watching this video I might say fuck it!!😂😂
I meannnnnn….. 🤷🏾♂️ if you enjoy the game I’d say play it! If you don’t…well I didn’t influence that decision. You did 🙂
Yeah that expertze is sucks.
Definitely.
Yeah man that expertize they Brock the game.
They can probably turn it around I think. Maybe they will read the comments here who knows 🤷🏾♂️
I agree expertise sucks!
It’s time to let it go. 👍🏾
Nothing comes easy!
It should be now it’s 6 years old bro
If they kept the expertise system but made the grind less arduous... Like 90% less... It'd be fine. The way they currently have it set up is painfully stupid and boring.
Exactly they need to just change something at this point.
Expertise is an end game thing not the beginning of the game!
I answered this in your prior comment
I agree with the exotic components it’s ridiculous and so are the resources but “So we screw over the dedicated players for some newbies who all of a sudden want to try The Division 2? What really sucks is the PvP because lag switches, aimbots, headshots, and damage glitches have ruined the experience for new players, returning players, and us due to expertise. We’ve worked hard, so let them ‘eat cake’ and go somewhere else. I don’t care; I kill rogues whether they’re new or returning players.”
Mhm.
I think the Devs did it just to make it "something to do" as we're not bringing in new content to this old azz game. The expertise makes the game not FUN (which is the Point) at all when people just want to play.
I agree with you here. Fun is the most important part of gaming.
I’ll agree to disagree with you on this take. You can also run another character before 1300 but I’d wait until you’re at 1,000. When I came back to the division 2, I was at shd lvl 92 after being away for 3.5 years. Now I’m at SHD lvl 962 but I’m at expertise 14. You can passively boost your expertise by simply play a ton of countdown and target farm weapons and gear then donate the gear and weapons as junk to your expertise. I agree this takes awhile but you can level up expertise passively but you will want to use those resources to level up and optimize your gear and weapons for your builds.
And how many hours did you play since then?
@@AKingsCreation maybe 10 hrs a week. Came back in October, 2023 and play intermittently since.
Ahhh yeah that’s not too bad. Idk man I’m just relaying what others commented in my video I have been new player in almost 2 years lol
@@AKingsCreation oh ok. It’s different for everyone. I would say that when I finally got a good strikers build, I played on challenging with five directives and gunner to get the extra ammo and was farming cps so I understand what you’re trying to say tho. Like the method that you are recommending is fast but players will still have to farm additional resources to level up their expertise and optimize their gear.
It really does suck ass but not because the outcome is bad but the grind is complete shit. Grinding is not what I want to do when I play. I want to finish my build and pvp not grind for weeks for a few points of expertise and if you're reading this DO NOT LISTEN to all of those RUclipsrs telling you Expertise doesn't matter; 25% more damage matters...a LOT.
EXACTLY! HIGHEST DAMAGE OUTPUT… always matters!
At the end of the day, this game is an RPG and every RPG requires grinding to maximize your strength. That being said, its not the grind, its the expense. If it were less expensive and took a little less time to acquire exotics and materials, new players especially, will be able to hit that end point quicker.
Good point this is true
There has to be a grind, otherwise, the game would be at a stand still.
There are many ways to grind a game. This way is not the only way and by far is the one of the worse ways to do it at its current structure
@@AKingsCreation I agree, it wasn't the best choice for further upgrading gear by any means.
This is a grinding game, why are people so surprised by a grind!
It’s because it’s not an endgame feature literally when you get out of WONY you can start proficiency weapons and gear ….that does not make it an endgame feature
People should realize expertise is not a be all, end all thing to acquire. Its better to focus on good rolls,optimization, and gear. Its more efficient that way. Expertise will come regardless.
True it’s not. But it is an endgame focus and lots of players want to just jump to the endgame fast after the game been out for 5+ years
@AKingsCreation I understand that, but what, unfortunately,returning and new players don't seem to grasp is that expertise was meant to be a slow grind. Not only that, but it's nearly impossible to grind 4-5+ years worth of missed out content.
Can you say the same for new and returning players that play Destiny 2??
@AKingsCreation I cannot since I do not play destiny.
@AKingsCreation sorry I forgot to add, nearly impossible to grind that amount of missed content in a very short period of time. Unless someone plays the game for several hours each day and rng being on their side.
They need to make it easier to max out the expertise system not remove it. That’s all I got.
Yeah definitely make it easier that’s another option I gave but if they reset all of us for next DLC and pushed us to Lvl 50 I bet none of us would complain as long as we get “new content” they did this with the “gear score” system and I’m hoping they do the same with the “expertise system”
@@AKingsCreation yeah I would not even be mad if they brought out the dlc and say new world tier system or something. Honestly I just want new stuff to play.
Understandable! 💪🏾
You guys should just play conflict. Don't worry about expertise.
They still need 1,000 Levels too even compete …”bigger picture”
@@AKingsCreation conflict also has SHD removed.
It's (finally) a non issue if you want a "level" playing field.
Ahhh gotcha!
Id be happy if they got rid of expertise and reward us with giving us back the SHD points we used to purchase all those printer filaments and give us back all those components we used to level up our gear in the expertise systems. I was a die hard D2 player and I’m now playing COD. The game is dead…I just get on to do raids and Missions with the clan. They destroyed the game also by not doing something better with game modes and killing the meta in the dark zone.
Wordd.
It's not that hard to figure out, matchmake like levels with like levels to fix the pvp aspect as in DZ for instances, that's the only setback for new players, going up against people who are light years ahead of them expertise wise, other than that there's no other reason to complain about it. You either want to grind or not, it's not a necessity to do so.
If you can say you will start over today and grind again. Would you do it from scratch… a complete account wipe? Would you do it? If your answer is no then….It’s more than just “grinding”
@@AKingsCreation I don't mind I'm not 25 on my main yet I'm 18 and start from scratch I wouldn't mind, but what I'm saying is for those that are starting out the only time expertise would come into play would be the DZ for PVP, or I also seen you mention speed runs and what not of course a 25 would out do a 5 for instance or what not but that's where so called "brackets" can come into play regarding your level , could be like 5 tiers for instance 1-5 6-10, and so on that could differentiate the who's on top of speed run in that certain category or what not. I'm just going off how I see some other games do things regarding levels and tiers and what not. It can be implemented in division as well to satisfy the new and old crowd.
@@AKingsCreation as of right now that's not the case and yeah it sucks to get smashed on when you're level 3 expertise by someone who is 20, and 3 of them on top of that in the DZ. Been there before, but yeah it sucks how it is right now because the Imbalance, and we definitely need new players that's for sure.
Exactly well said my friend 👊🏾
I gave up once I got to expertise 18 I got so burnt out on running WONY and countdown I gave up on the game..I play division 2 like once a week...the expertise was a scam from the beginning.Waste of time
It just needs to be restructured better
It does suck! They should've just kept it like division 1!! There was no need to bring this into the game if they woulda just kept div tech in the game and acquire it from DZ only. They f this game up so bad. And let's not even talk about status effects. Division one was a lot more realistic with the agents and there was a way to counter the shock turret. There's no way to counter all this stuff and stuff have a good build
8:22 😂😂😂😂😂
lol
I don't like the fact that they keep adding new gear and guns only to make you have to do more.
Well said. 💯 agree. I think we at 350+ items now.
Expertise was added to Division 2 in a long content draught.
Expertise only really affects PVP.
Every update the NPCs are buffed, to meet the ever increasing power of the agents.
So all your doing is doing grind for grind sake.
Massive (Division 2) Devs will NEVER let the agents get to strong, BECAUSE it would Trivialise the game.
I have stopped playing Division 2 as much because when I finish Work , I do not want to sit and do more Grind in a 5 year old video game, especially for a pointless exercise like the expertise system.
THAT IS SO TRUE EXPERTISE ON PVE IS GARBAGE LOL AND I KNOW BECAUSE IM 25 ALREADY AND MY FRIENDS DO THE SAME DAMAGE AS ME BEING 16 OR LESS LOL
Never let the agents get too strong have you not used an Ouroboros with strikers yet??? Lol
That’s not true your damage numbers are higher than your friends that just depends on if y’all are using the same weapons and gear or not
@@AKingsCreation and if ur oirboros has damage to target out of cover lol. I got a striker build. 4 pieces strikrr build two with armor cores, picaros hosterb and memento backpack. That build kills anything and u can use it everywhere any dificulty except pvp lol. U r going to be a killer machine and more when u have the stacks full. The only problem with the ourboros is that in long range is garbage lol but with that u can get close to any enemy like nothing
@@AKingsCreation i did that experiment with two striker builds in diferent characters. Full dps the only difference is that one has expertise 17 or more and the other one nothing and i didnt see any difference
They can take it away and I won’t be mad.
Right! Same.
I’m level 19 and honestly I don’t see a massive difference between being. Level zero and level 19!
You can’t tell the difference between 0% damage vs 19% extra damage just read your damage numbers when you shoot the weapons.
@@AKingsCreation oh I can see I do more damage but it feels like the enemy scales up as I level up my expertise, in PVE.
@@ianmcdonald3053exactly what I tell myself since I’m expertise 20 and I feel like the npcs go to level 20 also so it doesn’t make a difference at all no matter what
@@joegar2292 the extra armour doesnt do much i still get one shotted, im not even sure it does a lot more in pvp, i told myself it did when i was level 5 coming up against level 20 plus players but now im lvl 19 i dont think it makes a huge difference, now im no pvp god but im ok but who knows, now not having ur watch leveled up is a big difference but im not so sure about expertise, you know how if ur leveling a character up to 40 and if a fully levelled player joins you it maxes out ur stats to their level, i think the same thing happens with expertise.
@@ianmcdonald3053 my SHD watch is almost at 3000 so I do have a bit more survivability and all my gear build is at 20 expertise along with my main weapons. But I feel the game ramps npcs up to my level of expertise also which I don’t think it should cus then the grind was for nothing. Lately I have noticed less players online now and have been wondering why and maybe it’s because they all given up and sometimes I also want to but the game helps to pass the time for now 🤣
I got to expertise level 15, i just pretty much gave up. I love the division 2, but this expertise level is too time consuming, you pretty much gotta give up any other game and grind non stop, at least that's how it feels...
I totally understand this my friend that’s why I’m trying to spread the word
Been playing since it day 1 and I felt like the devs just always just gave u busy work no new real content that stuck that was really worth it after 2200hours ppl are gonna start dropping I this game until they drop D3 D2 I hate to say it is dead man
They are dropping Y6S1 content real soon 😅👀
The answer is remove expertise from the DZ as well as conflict. In PVE doesn’t matter much.
Or remove it all together.
I used to love this game but now it just repetitive there’s nothing new
I understand bro. Maybe you will return for the DLC?
@@AKingsCreation yea absolutely
That’s a bet
It's not difficult to get expertise 25. In two weeks it is possible to reach expertise 16, but 3000 SHD is required. The problem is after 16. O problema é após o 16 People forget that The Division is an RPG game. Casual players would not be the most suitable game. Really SHD and Expertise is a boring system. You can get 40 exotic components per week doing activities in PVE and 70 components per week in DZ.
But gaining 3,000 levels is required…that’s the issue and you mentioned that.
Always said it. It's a stupid grind. Its also largely pointless. I never bothered grinding it past 15 after they (correctly) removed it from Conflict. Still playing the game but its a grind im just straight ignoring now.
I get it and most will… that’s why I’m saying it needs a rework or be removed because why would it be worth it to keep increasing it every season if most don’t even go past 15. I’m looking at it from an efficiency point of view and time spent on it. I get it though it’s a grind to just grind but also that said grind has to be valuable every level from start to finish.
For me ends that never ending grinding because i delete my main character by accident i send ubisoft a mesege but they never answer so i dont have the time to put expertice in another build from cero so really bad accident anyway im not buying another división game ever and i buy the game 2 times in 2 accounts and its a waste of time i hope the game stay only whit that people that have 5 years playing all new players when they realize what u say in the video are going to leave the game i guess they afraid to put a hardcore mode like in COD pro players do nothing there lol
I didn’t say anything… other than reading what the comments are saying. I’m expressing my insights on how to make it better for everyone. Hopefully this is a wake up call for the community …instead of backlash for new players trying out the game.
Hey, we all did it. It was a grind no doubt, but we did it. After 5 years you’re not going to get new players because you changed the expertise system. New players are attracted to PVP. Do the devs allow an easier path to 25 ignoring the Day 1’era grind?
But let’s face it; it’s only a matter of time before they allow bundles of exotic components to be purchased.
Hmmmm maybe they will, maybe they won’t. The game is too old to rely on that. Changes need to be made soon
I feel lucky in one sense i am what normally gets called a no lifer as in i don't work due to being agoraphobic having a BPD diagnosis which is getting looked at right now as it's more likelt it's bi-polar also getting tested for adhd autism so i am not working as i can't eat in front of people or even go out in public now am not saying it's a good thing although i can spend more time grinding that alot of people been playing on and off for about a year nearly shd level 1000 only at level 8 expertise so far and mostly donating gear not the best way i know but been in the DZ once and never done conflict yet although over the last few days i have been thinking about it and some nice people pointed out to me how much xp you can get from doing it although why i have not before is because i have a really hard time speaking to people even on the phone or mic so mostly solo but yeah as a personal view if they did what you said and got rid of it or gave lower shd levels a xp boost even just up to shd level 1300 it would be amazing
Yeah definitely. 👍🏾
You don't like it, so you want to see it removed? What about the people who like or want to grind it? If you're a new player, you shouldn't be focused on expertise (returning maybe) either way, Expertise is a feature for veteran players. If you want to, do so, but don't cry about it if that's the decision you make, and if you don't want to do it, don't. Simple as that. Expertise doesn't need to be removed. That's just selfish.
Huh?????? This doesn’t make sense….its for veterans only…dude wake up we need New players! Without them this game will die. What’s selfish is thinking that keeping what’s not working for new players and thinking you will be able to play the game when the community is diminishing ….the game almost got shut down permanently after the 1st year let’s not make that mistake again
How long you think it takes to get 40 exotic components at level 0…..think bigger! Grinding is fine…but don’t make it dreadful…you can’t name me a single game that does this outside of division
@AKingsCreation Did I say we didn't need new players? Did I say it was exclusively for veteran players? NO! It is, however, geared toward the veterans/ more hardcore players. Removing the feature is extreme, don't you think? Maybe reworked or rebalanced... I'm all for lower prices. That would be a nice compromise. It's not me you have to convince, though, its the incompetent devs... but removed completely? Come on... I don't think that's reasonable. Im thinking about both sides... was from the beginning... and I'm the selfish one? Take your own advice and wake up.
Again, the solution is simple... leave it in the game, just lower the prices further... Both sides win this way.
@AKingsCreation Also, to answer your question from earlier, in 1 month, you can get 52 exotic components, and nobody starts at level 0. They start at SHD level 1, and the ways in which you get said exotic components unlock for them at the beginning of their journey. You can get 13 a week. 7 of those come from the daily, and the other are weekly projects.
Sure man I honestly think there is nothing else to discuss you said nothing wrong here and I agree. As long as we spread the word that’s all that matters to me. No doubt 👍🏾
Or just don’t pay It no mind 🤷🏾♂️
Sure and keep getting booted from lobbies because you barely have dps
This game made for grinders, by ppl that have never grinded in a video game before. This games grind is boring and silly. I hear ppl say they have 10,000 hours in this game lol why? When they brought the season pass after wony. I pretty much left this game for good. The content got dry and the season/battle pass is a lazy way to bring new content to a full price game...🤧
Not a bad opinion here. I respect it 👍🏾
The downside is that the game does take an immense amount of time to put into. This is coming from someone who’s over 10k SHD and 190+ days played. You gotta COMMIT to this game unfortunately. Most people who’ve been playing since 2019 are well above 5-6k.
The devs should implement something where you can pay like 5 bucks to jump to 1K SHD if you are under 1000.
And tbh , expertise does not suck in my opinion. People just don’t like the grinding portion of the game (some anyways) . I get folks have families and etc but to complain? lol nah. That ain’t it. The best shit shouldn’t be unlocked easily otherwise the game wouldn’t even still be around. So yeah put the time in and stop complaining.
I get what you’re saying totally but also I can disagree with this as well. People have the right to complain. Those same people don’t want to commit to any game and treat it like a “Job” they don’t get off work, deal with families, just to go back to another job. Like you said it’s a “Commitment” at the same time there are many other ways to implement a grind. Study Destiny for example you know why it’s around the same age as Division and if not more popular and has a bigger population base is because they reset every season. Yeah they have a grinding system the “light system” and guess what they do every season…reset it. All that being said they also add new content on top of it not the same content with additional manhunts that basically are “hard to remember” the reason expertise “sucks” is because most of those players that say it is because they want to play pvp early…hell some even want just PvP and not PVE. They are making adjustments to cater to this “look at conflict”. The issue is those who spent hrs or been playing are trying to gatekeep a sysyem they already grinded on. Whether they realize it's hurting the community or not. How many "copy and paste" builds you seen already…how many same guides you seen already…how many same farming methods you seen already….things need to change and i bet you that not a single one of us would complain if we all got reset for the DLC and pushed to lvl 50 and the expertise system was removed….just like the “gear score system” was in early years
I don't understand why people don't realize to just make a new 😂character and just go straight through New York if you have a clan or if you have friends they can help push you through then you can help push them through leveling up is not that hard The only thing I see is a bunch of crab babies
You have a “terrible” way at looking at things and also responding in a “unhelpful” manner. Also, provided inaccurate information. The new character playthrough does not work for anyone under 1200 SHD!
Nah you are wrong, grind like the rest of us had to
……it seems like you want the game to die….that was the worse type of “helpful” response I read yet
New player since November, expertise 25. Y'all just have no idea how to maximize your time that's all lol
Or some just don’t have the time to do it from 0! You grinding 1300+ over a course of 6 months! That says a lot of how much time you spent vs the average player
@@AKingsCreation no like I said I maximize my time. I played a lot of countdown with random gear to lv then up while looting other gear to donate while buying exclusives from shops that don't drop in coutdown to donate and while donating all my materials to items that I don't have
I agree it does suck but I also understood the developers have to come up with new ways to keep the community engaged.
I totally agree too and also mentioned that in one of the comment replies in the video. There are many ways to keep the community engaged. But long grinds is something you don’t have to “still” have after 5-6years. What they should do now is at least give “new and returning players” a boost…. Or like in most games “daily login rewards”
Make new and meaningful content that’s how. This game hasn’t had a dlc in 4 years and counting. The devs don’t play or know their own game.
We don’t know for sure if they play the game but either way 4 years of no DLC definitely says a lot by itself 😬
@@AKingsCreationYou are not saying. I am. I saw a Yannick and two Ubi game reporters playing The Division 2 a month or 2 ago. They were playing on hard difficulty. It was sad. They even admitted that they didn’t know the meta in the video! Yannick was there and if he doesn’t know what does that say? Anyway if I didn’t love the franchise I wouldn’t bother complaining.
Word. Understandable
The division franchise is over.. They cancelled division heartland, Make division 2 unplayable and Make us wait for new content for years... it is a shame :(
Definitely a shame, no doubt. But Y6S1 is around the corner
The worst system added to any game ever. It made me quit I have 2000 hours in the game. I am moved to warframe. Have 1000 hours in that now.
Warframe is a good game too no doubt I use to put hours into that game before I came back to Division
Strongly disagree with giving away my hard grind to new whiny players who just want everything handed to them for free.
Sure but the grind will be wasted if the game is shutdown because it’s not growing…. Sometimes you got to realize it’s not about “you” it’s about the “community” that’s why this game didn’t shut down years ago like it was suppose to
Then let the game get shut down, all games are about grinding
I hate the expertise system but I’m not about deleting it. Why not just make it cheaper or something.
That was another option I gave in a video “a rework” idk why some of y’all pick at specific words instead of realizing I have gave “many options”. That being said yes a grind is a grind no doubt but also I had tons of players especially those who want to PvP fall off because the expertise grind was to much. What’s happening with a lot of these comments is only focus on PVE but my video and “points” focus on everyone! And consider everyone!
@@a1racer441they did make it cheaper.
IMO the proficiency pre-gate is pointless since you need mats to level gear regardless.
If anything, they should nerf the xp needed to get proficiency.
Getting to 14 or so isn't bad with common stuff donations, but after that it's grind AF or just not fun to play with shit builds, guns, and skills to level organically in an environment like CD since only mobs kills count to level up your proficiency.
Literally do not need expertise to do any of the content in the game (except dz)....shd watch yes but expertise no
That’s a lie I bet you, you have expertise on 1 item right now as you write this lol
Because it's there people use it yes...but not needed for the content...i have one Elmo with level 4 expertise nothing else. We didn't have expertise for the first 3years of the game bro, shit got done
We also didn’t have legendary missions. Try legendary solo with no expertise and let me know if that works out for you.
Can confirm, expertise is not needed for any content in this game. Made a point of it when i moved to PC. Hell, watch level isn't even needed. No watch level will present a tough challenge especially solo legendary but once max watch everything can be done easy PVE wise with some practice. We are so powerful now without expertise, the power creep since the early days has been steep. Expertise basically turns the game into very easy mode.
Gotcha 👍🏾 thanks for the confirmation!
Yeah cause the game is shit, broke and full of bugs, glitchy and DZ is just cheaters pointless.
Whowww whowww a little harsh now. This game can’t be bad if lots and lots of people have over 1000+ hours played
nice bro it does SUCKS
Gotta be honest. I love this game, but I also got to speak on behalf of my community and the comments I have been receiving
@@AKingsCreation ok