I think people often forget that Rose basically abandoned Mickey on the side of the road with no idea there was anything wrong with their relationship. Then was accused of killing her when she disappeared for 6 months.
Rose was 19, lived with her mum and worked as a shop girl (bottom rung, so I gather). She had some growing up to do-but she’s young and faulting the young for youth makes no sense…
@@joerosenman3480 sure and snow is white. Whether or not she meant to hurt Mickey so deeply doesn't matter, she did. They knew each other their entire lives, the way she treated him was awful.
@@Lordoftheapes79 I’m not disagreeing or excusing, just “explaining.” Imo understanding a problem first leads to a more effective (or fitting) solution. (As if Rose is a problem to be fixed. 😲😉)
I've read someone say that for the Doctor they always choose an actor that has "favorite middle school teacher" vibes, just a really cool person you want to hang out with. And it's always a trauma when that actor leaves because you love them! How could you not love them! And then the new actor shows up and they're your new favorite middle school teacher and you fall in love with them.
Its a good thing Trekkies don't consider the right of passage to be "1-7-3-4-6-7-3-2-1-4-7-6-charlie-3-2-7-8-9-7-7-7-6-4-3-tango-7-3-2-victor-7-3-1-1-7-8-8-8-7-3-2-4-7-6-7-8-9-7-6-4-3-7-6-LOCK"
The First Doctor (William Hartnell) companion in the First Episode "Unearthly Child" mentions the TARDIS is alive. Lots of hints until the Third Doctor (Jon Pertwee) in "Planet of the Spiders" verifies that the TARDIS is alive and that "she’s no fool.”
Mickey is constantly sidelined by Rose. It would be a better situation if they broke up, but correct me if I'm wrong, but Rose has never said to him 'I want to break up'. In the very first episode, she ran towards the Tardis without a second thought when the Doctor offered. She gave Mickey a kiss on the cheek, and she didn't really stop and think about it till the second episode. Whilst Rose is a great companion, she is far from perfect.
@@Fanproductions -Easily missed. I wouldn't have known, but it was mentioned on the "Doctor Who Confidential" episode that followed "Parting of the ways".
You always love your first Doctor. I’m 60 years old and the 4th Doctor will always have my heart. You will appreciate and even become excited for all the Doctors who will come after your Doctor, but they won’t hold the same place in your Fangirl heart ❤️
Ah yes Tom Barker is my Doctor. I always loved Tennant for saying that about Peter Davidson. Your Doctor is always your Doctor. I sometimes feel bad for people coming into Dr Who with 9 because there is so much history and so much already built and personally I understand why Eccleston did not like the showrunners and what they were doing with the character. However I love Eccleston just the same.
@@funnylilgalreactsya it took me awhile to get used to the new doctor and companions Everytime they change it up on you but you gotta just past that feeling and just trust where the ride is taking you ....
They've never picked a bad Doctor. The writing has let the Doctor down from time to time, though. Tom Baker was maybe the most murderous Doctor. He straight-up murdered a few people during his tenure. People tend to overlook that.
Rose and Mickey have small community (not small town) childhood sweetheart vibes. I feel like Rose was comfortable with Mickey and Mickey was majorly in love with Rose. Then Rose found her "What next," and she handled it really badly. Rose is immature and does have a small side to her. With Mickey, she does kinda have a "I don't want him, but I don't want anyone else to have him" thing going. But she also knows when she takes a moment to think about it that that's not fair. She gets that she can't expect Mickey to wait around and he ought to move on, even if her sentimentality wants him waiting around like her childhood bedroom when she comes home to visit.
The TARDIS appeared in the first episode in 1963. It picked up its shape in a London scrap yard and kept its shape. The original prop lasted 16 years before falling apart.
Fun fact: When they were starting work on the 2005 revival, the BBC had to fight the London Police Department for the right to keep the TARDIS in its iconic police box form.
@@Dularr Trademark. You don't have to defend copyright. It's automatically granted by the Berne Convention, upon the act of creation. Trademarks are the ones that you have to defend in order to keep them.
@Dularr Except it kept getting shorter, because the edges of the side panels would fray from assembly and disassembly, so the crew would just saw a bit off from time to time.
IIRC I think the thing with Mickey is that they grew up together, so like that tends to have an extra layer of attachment/co-dependence in a relationship.
It's always interesting seeing American and British reactors react to the death penalty scene. Unsurprisingly American reactors have a similar reaction to yours and British reactors are more hesitant about it.
I do think her trying to argue her being killed is equal to destroying the planet, which is so far beyond anything an Earth court has dealt with as to be an impossible comparison.
@@funnylilgalreacts Sure, but that's on her. The Doctor taking her to her death is on him. He could take her somewhere else. Hand her over to the Earth's police force (UNIT) to lock up. Taking her to a place where she will absolutely be killed is a choice. The UK not extraditing prisoners to the US if they face the death penalty is a choice. Choice is why nobody could look her in the eye. They all understand this. This is the cultural difference being highlighted here. We' don't consider eye for an eye to be justice, we see it as revenge. We don't consider that to be acceptable. (Nor does the rest of the western world, google "Capital punishment by country"). Who is right is outside the scope of my post, I just want to point out why the reactions differ depending on which side of the pond you are.
All the Doctors are wonderful, they're just different. My Whovian friends and I have reached the obvious conclusion that there are no bad Doctors, only bad episodes.
And he’s one of, if not the, most warm-hearted and kind actors to have ever played the Doctor despite playing easily the thorniest of them all… He’s still grateful he got the chance even if it was sabotaged, and got to really play him to the fullest potential in spin-off materials.
The tardis being alive is a concept that goes very far back in Doctor Who. No one explicitly says it until now. But back in the 70s with Jon Pertwee, someone (I think it was Sergeant Benton) says to the doctor "sometimes you talk as though the tardis is alive." To which The doctor replies "yes, yes I do." And there's a linger on his face for a moment.
Apparently the original plan was to have the slitheen in just their 2 part story. But Russell T Davies love the performance of Annette Badland so much that he wrote the episode "boom town" specifically to have her return... The actress was filming another project, and had to get permission to go to Cardiff for a short time to film her scenes and then rush back to the other project... Given this background it makes her performance even better....
I thought it was because the original story planned fell through - something about the Doctor having engineered Rose to be the “perfect companion” through his time travelling? Or was that just a rumour, like the “Chris wasn’t the real Doctor” one someone at my uni in the 2010s claimed they heard…?
What I would say in Mickey's favour is that Rose litterally called him halfway across the country on a flimsy pretext just because she wanted to see him. I don't think he can be blamed for thinking that this was the moment for a possible reconciliation and accordingly pouring his heart out to her.
It was also very selfish of her to ask him to do that. She had him drop work and pay a fortune for a train from London to Cardiff just so she could see him. When she has a literal time machine. If she was so desperate to see him, then why not ask the Doctor to drop her off before he went to refuel in Cardiff and then pick her up once he was refuelled in a couple of days? She would be able to see Jackie as well then.
The book "Life, The Universe and Everything" by Douglas Adams (part of the Hitchhikers series) was originally going to be a Doctor Who story for Tom Baker. Slartibartfast's ship, The Bistromath, was going to be the TARDIS: whilst the TARDIS has the 'Chameleon Circuit' to disguise it, the Bistromath has a 'Someone Else's Problem Field' to disguise it as an Italian Bistro.
Not quite; it's built in the form of a bistro in order to facilitate the reality-bending mathematics that let it travel through time and space. The SEP field is analogous to a different technology built into the TARDIS, which I don't think has been introduced to our host yet.
Something that this season explores are many ideas that the original series didn't really touch on. What happens to the freinds and family that the companion leaves behind? What if there were a companion who was self-serving and greedy? What are the actual implications of trying to change past events? And this one deals with what happens once the Doctor has moved on after defeating monsters but left a big mess.
You what people would think if we saw a Blue Police Box next to the fountains in the middle of Cardiff - and we were in the whoniverse? "Huh, another stupid public art installation. City council will spend money on anything." Seriously, you should see some of the shite we have round here in Liverpool. Look up the Lambanana.
I hate when people call Mickey pathetic. He just really loves Rose. There's something to be admired about loving someone and actually devoting yourself to that love, even if it might not be reciprocated in the same way. Is it the healthiest, perhaps not, but it's not pathetic, and there's nothing wrong with it.
Before you watch the Christmas episode please watch the mini episode "Children in Need Special 2005" it will explain a bunch of things and it fits between those episodes (:
It’s not really vital at all and in fact contradicts the Xmas special and final episode of series 13. It was just a quick written scene for a UK charity show it’s not necessary really
@@eow4317 it does, dialogue in the Xmas special does not match what happens in that mini special. It’s literally supposed to be watched as series 13 then straight to the Xmas special, the mini children in need clip was written and filmed way into series 2. Everything rose is confused about in the Xmas special is explained to her face the children in need clip. So she goes from confusion, sadness in episode 13 to being told exactly what is happening and understanding and coming to terms with it in the mini clip and then back to confusion and sadness for the Xmas special. They contradict each other
I mean Mickey did deserve better than how Rose was treating him. You have to remember he spent a whole year with his entire world thinking that he murdered Rose. And he couldn't exactly tell them she went off into a box and disappeared. That would mess anyone up emotionally. He might've been a bit of a coward but he was never a bad person.
I think Rose is just comfortable around Mickey because they have been friends since childhood. I think at the end when she said she wanted a second chance, that was just because she feels bad about leading him on and hurting him, not because she's in love with him. She has moved on and is in love with the Doctors world now, but she still doesn't want to hurt Mickey! I like this episode, you can tell it's the 'cheap' episode because there's not a lot of effects and drama but the friendship of the four really carries it!
About a living TARDIS: It has been hinted from the first doctor (William Hartnell) in the 12th episode 'The Edge of Destruction' from 1964 that the TARDIS is a living being. Barbara, played by Jacqueline Hill, and Ian, portrayed by William Russell (both of the doctor's companions), discuss the issue and conclude that the TARDIS is trying to warn them through its unusual behavior.
Growing up in the UK during the 2000s, Annette Badland was in so many random things lol. The Queen's Nose, The Worst Witch, Doctor Who, The Ghost Hunter, The Demon Headmaster. An unspoken queen of British kids television.
Plenty of countries refuse to extradite people who would face death penalty because that would make them party to murder. Her making that argument is self serving but its not like she made up sime bizzaro principle out of nowhere.
Canada won't deport/extradite if the death penalty is even an option for someone who has not even been tried in the prosecuting country yet. However there is no way to stop the other country from reneging on any promise not to impose the death penalty.
What you have to remember is that here in the UK we don't have the death penalty, and it's generally considered to be an abhorrent and heinous concept; not by everybody but by most people. As such, the Doctor wouldn't even vaguely consider it as an option. I know that not all states in America practice the death penalty, and I don't know what the situation is where you are, but as I say the attitude against it is a very British one.
@@JHNoble It's a British-made show so it will intrinsically have.British values. With the death penalty being abhorrent to British values, it's to be expected that the Doctor will be equally opposed to it.
@@andrewbowman4611 Yes. And, in particular, in Britain courts cannot extradite suspects to countries where they are at risk of the death penalty, which is what this story clearly refers to.
That was a recent thing. Capital punishment for murder was suspended in 1965 and eventually abolished for murder in 1969 but capital punishment for treason and piracy with violence was abolished only in 1998. The UK acceded to the 13th Protocol, abolishing the Death Penalty in any circumstance (including Regicide), in 2003. So it was a fairly recent fact when this episode was written and aired in 2005.
Thanks - came here to say this. And it's not just Britain but all of Europe (excepting Belarus and Russia). It would be ingrained in the show and the viewers that it's wrong.
Russell T Davies had to step in at the last minute to write this after the guest writer who was due to pen a story for episode 11 pulled out. Russell had been so impressed with Annette Badland’s performance in the Slitheen two-parter, so he decided to bring her back and base the whole episode around her.
7th Doctor Sylvester McCoy was my favourite growing up, 10th Doctor David Tennant was the Doctor I seemed to enjoy watching the most while he was the active Doctor but 11th Matt Smith is the one I miss the most. We are fortunate to have had so many good times.
"Christopher Ecclestone is MY Doctor!" said by everyone who came on board for the first time with this series. (It doesn't mean you can't ever fall in love another time - just like in Real Life- but he will always be your 'First'.) Cardiff is about 150 miles from London where Rose and her family are from. This why we didn't get to see Jackie this time. It adds more to the story that Mickey has been hanging on waiting for Rose for 18 months by now (the year she was 'missing' plus the 6 months since Downing street) and is willing to travel across the UK to catch up with her......only to accept that she's never going to choose him. (Bad Wolf was referenced in The Doctor Dances - it was written on the side of the bomb Jack was riding - only written in (badly translated) German) 1980's UK kids impressing their friends: "Look I can do the Rubik's Cube!" 2000's UK kids impressing their friends: " I can say 'Raxacoricofallapatorious' 2024 me, impressing myself: I can still spell 'Raxacoricofallapatorious'!
My son born in 2015 - rattling off Raxacoricofallapatotious like it's no big deal because we're on our 3rd rewatch of Doctor Who (2005 to present) since he became old enough to enjoy the show.
The TARDIS has pretty much always been somewhat alive. I'm not sure when the earliest reference was. The Doctor has actually tried to fix the Chameleon Circuit a couple of times in the past. It always ends up back as a police box.
Actually, it was episode one: Ian Chesterton touched the “police box” and exclaimed that it’s warm; he said it’s alive, because effectively it gave off an indication of warmth like a warm body does… People tend to forget this one, of course.
Why are people spoiling that Jack is in Torchwood? Like come on, just keep your comments to what's specifically in each video. Let reactors find out things on their own. It's not hard.
unfortunately for some reason this is very common, i’ll never understand why. the whole appeal of reactions (especially years after the show airs where things haven’t been spoiled in promos) is to see the surprise and shock!
Annette Badland is the actress who plays Margaret. She is also known for playing Mrs. Fitz in the first season of Outlander, and she is the current corner in Midsummer Murders.
Noel Clarke (Micky) can actually be pretty intimidating when he wants to be. He played a bloody lunatic in Kidulthood, a film about kids who get involved with gang stuff in inner city London
And is kind of a terrible person in real life, given the viable allegations against him… But well, I don’t hold that up against Mickey the character all in all (though it makes the simping he does over Rose… a bit more uncomfortable, not lying about that.
I used to watch a few Doctor Who episodes back in the 70s on our PBS Channel. It wasn’t until I watched a Doctor Who movie in 96 that the show caught my attention. Paul McGann was playing the Doctor. Although he was the first actor to get me interested in Doctor Who, it was Christopher Eccleston who brought me back episode after episode… so I will say he’s my favorite! Thank you for your reactions Angela! I feel like I’m watching them for the first time with you as I have no memories of these episodes. Lol
It's easy to miss because you get some parts of Rose's story as casual mentions in conversations, but Mickey sort of rescued Rose. See, Rose dropped out of school for a jerk named Jimmy Stone who ended up treating her badly. I'm not sure of all the details, but at some point, Mickey rescued her from that and got her to reconnect with her mum. That's why Rose is often so reluctant to end things with Mickey, because she feels bad for ditching him when he's done so much to help her. Raxicoricofalipatorius... try saying that 5 times fast lol.
That part of Rose's backstory was admittedly never brought up explicitly in the show, but it was something Russell T Davies took the time to flesh out for her character-- something I always appreciated about RTD is how much consideration he put into every detail of every character's lives, even the one-off side characters that never reappear. It felt so in-line with Doctor Who's theme of "everyone is important". Every character is a person with a complex life and complex relationships with others. Mickey is more than just Rose's current boyfriend, he's a lifelong friend and a stable, constant piece of her life that she can hold onto-- it's scary to let go of that, and she's only human.
The gimmick with classic Doctor is that anytime the character showed up, despite it being a kids show, basically every character you meet ends up dying. Space station? Almost all killed. Alien planet? Almost all killed. Or planet explodes. Doctor Dances is kind of the only episode I can think of that had zero deaths, so it was clearly a big moment for the character - several hundred years in the making perhaps.
The object of Dr Who is to teach very hard moral lessons. There are reasons the character is the way he is right now and you will learn with time but the normal TV viewing instinct of just killing something or being detached from the morality of what you think. Learn to be kind is that educational part of Dr Who that is through all of the years of Dr Who. It also is ironic because the Doctor can be the most unkind being in the universe either by accident or on purpose. The Doctor always returns to kind. The morality of Dr Who is why most viewers do not gravitate to the show and it always tends to be a niche type of viewer that becomes fans.
The viewers are also reminded fairly regularly just how terrible a bad Time Lord can be. The Master and the Valyard are the obvious examples but you also get some great episodes where the Doctor loses his way, goes too far and has to have sense knocked into him.
@@miller-joel The show started in the 60s and it was pitched to the BBC to "entertain and to educate". Doctor Who has always been equivalate to what Aesop's Fables is for books. If all you pull out of it is entertainment that is ok. Every showrunner since 1963 has recognized and has had cause to use writers that understand the theme of the story is about understanding the human condition and our place in the universe. The Doctor has always been the moral arbiter and the companion is how the viewer views the Doctor. Go read The Handbook: The Unofficial and Unauthorized Guide to the Production of Doctor Who by David J Howe. Not official or authorized because the BBC did not want some things told that put the BBC in a negative light.
The actress playing the Slitheen plays a good side character in the most recent few series of Midsomer Murders. She plays the pathologist and never lets anyone get away with anything.
Voltage by itself isn't actually that much of an issue, the amperage is. Think of it like a stream of water, with voltage being the speed at which the water moves, and amperage being the "size" of the stream. A tiny little jet (low amperage) of fast-moving (high voltage) water will sting, but not do much harm (unless it's *_really_* fast, like a leak in a submarine a couple of hundred meters below the surface). But a big stream that's moving fairly slowly will still pull you along and quite possibly drown you. So that "10,000 Volt" by itself sounds impressive, but wouldn't actually mean much 🤓
18:53 Margaret is of course doing the head games to survive. But what is more important, this is a character study into the principles each of the team has with regards to killing/murder whether it is for defense as Mikey did in sending the missile to 10 Downing Street or doing nothing and sending Margaret Slitheen to her death. The Doctor has and does kill "monsters" generally to stop the a plot and death of larger numbers, but here Margaret is truly helpless in the face of her "jailer". Will he show compassion?
Rumor says that the set for the first season was toxic, unorganized and unsafe. Both John Barrowman and Noel Clarke (Mickey) were accused with SA. Eccleston supposedly spoke up about these and disliked how things were on set. There was a huge fallout between him, RTD and the BBC and basically they made it impossible for Eccleston to get an acting job in the UK after DW. He only recently started to attend conventions, earlier he refused anything DW related. It's so sad, his acting made modern Who what it is
Dr. Who has always been a liberal show at heart. In NuWho they introduce an interracial couple in the first episode. In the Dickens episode they refer to class issues. With Jack they normalize bisexuality. All very casually, not heavy handed. Part of the reason I love the show.
People in the comments really need to stop commenting using future knowledge. Good for you, you know what happens. Now please sush and let people enjoy it without awaiting this or that twist
Dr Who as a show is really not good to think of like being spoiled. Yes minor storylines but when you talk about a character that honestly has no definition built by a story and changes depending on the showrunner everything you talk about the character is out of context and really makes no sense. Even this reactor with her dislike of even looking at the end credits to see the "next on Dr Who" misses how most people have experienced Dr Who for almost 60 years. I would say yes don't hint to spoiling future stories but when you talk about the show it really does not flow like modern streaming entertainment does today.
We don’t want to spoil things for the reactor. Some reactors quit reading the comments and interacting with us because people won’t listen to “no spoilers.” If a reactor won’t look at Next Time, it’s pretty much a given that commenters need to stick to commenting about what she’s seen or at least write “spoiler” (all caps) and hit enter a few times so the spoiler is after the Read More.
When Rose says that Tricia Delaney is a bit big, that's not a comment that was just fine to make when it aired. It's Rose being jealous and possessive.
It was definitely fine to make when it aired. Fat jokes were everywhere back then, it still should be fine today as Rose is written to speak like an actual real 19 year old would speak, she’s not perfect, she’s not a perfect AI representation of a completely inoffensive human. She’d never say that line nowadays as people would get massively triggered on Twitter and cancel the entire cast and crew and force about several different apologies. Everyone has to be perfect nowadays
@@obiwankenobi687 Fat jokes were not everywhere back then. They were dying out in the '90s. People are just more sensitive to them now. And Rose wasn't making a fat joke. There's no joke in "She's a bit big." Rose is questioning Mickey's choice, and anyone can see she's doing it because she's jealous and wants to put Tricia Delaney below herself. The line is not supposed to be funny. The line is not supposed to seem like a perfectly innocent thing for Rose to say. Rose is behaving badly, and treating Mickey badly, and that's the point of showing her saying it. Rose is the bad guy here.
@@SuStel I didn’t say she was making a fat joke. But fat jokes and making fun of weight were absolutely everywhere at that time. On coronation street, other soaps, Miranda, Not going out, Little Britain, Catherine Tate, any comedy at the time, movies poked fun. Even Doctor Who, the slitheen are specifically supposed to be fat people, slitheen need fat people to squeeze into because they’re so large and can only shrink so much. Fat jokes didn’t die out in the 90’s Rose isn’t perfect and she’s written that way, realistically. Nobody would ever get written realistically nowadays as people are way too sensitive, triggered and eager to cancel people. That’s why every single companion since 2018 have been absolute bastions of perfection who never place an offensive toe out of line for fear of the rabid, tiny offended fanbase that remains It’s a massive shame as RTD used to be the king of writing characters that felt soooo real and relatable.
@@SuStel I agree with you, but they absolutely weren't dying out in the 90s. Shallow Hal was 2001 and Norbit was 2007, both of those revolved around fat jokes. Even Fat Monica crossed into the 00s. Late 00s was where that trend started to finally fade out.
Oh I could watch a Doctor Who episode reaction every day, though I’d never expect you to make them that fast… unless you could. 😂 Great episode, as always.
Apologies in advance for the long comment, but Doctor Who gives me a lot of thoughts (especially a deep character study of an episode like this one), so thank you to anyone who takes the time to read them all. I know the Slitheen are really goofy villains, but fart jokes aside I actually think the design of the Raxacoricofallapatorians is pretty neat! Sure, where CG was used it looks a bit wonky, but the practical costume work is really well executed! I like the horizontal blinking and the description of their evolution and culture centred on hunting. Also, every once in a while I randomly remember the way The Doctor yells "Margaret!" As he chases her out of the window and chuckle to myself, I don't know why that tickles me so much. Gonna add some edits: First, I stand by The Doctor's plan to let the Gelth borrow human corpses. I'm all for respecting the dead but between that and the fate of a whole species? I know what I'd pick! It's just too bad the Gelth were secretly plotting an invasion, otherwise it was a solid plan! Secondly, regarding Torchwood and any other spinoff shows (which I couldn't recommend more for you to integrate into your Doctor Who watch schedule!), there is a guide someone can pass to you on the best chronological viewing order. 29:15 Ahh, so close! Not sure why the subtitles spell it as "Raxacoricofal-vit-orius," since that's incorrect, you can derive the right way to spell it from what I wrote above. Gotta say I'm liking the increased appreciation for Mickey from you in this one! Growth! Still, you're right that both he and Rose need to move on, though it's totally understandable for Rose to feel bad about breaking his heart while she does so, and for Mickey to feel resentful. Not saying it's right or healthy, but it's believable! Regarding the Tardis being alive and conscious, it's a little complicated. Sometimes it's like a space-time car the Doctor drives as precisely as he can manage, other times it redirects him to where he ought to be. It's not conscious in the way you or I are usually, but it clearly has some kind of soul or will, which explains why The Doctor loves it so much.
I wonder if Rose's comment about Tricia Delaney may have been just a little jealousy creeping in. Or perhaps thinking that if she couldn't have Mickey, then nobody could.
It's not usually the volts that's a problem, it's the amperage. Your average taser delivers tens of thousands of volts.... but the current is low enough it (usually) doesn't cause permanent problems.
There was one time when the doctor did try to fix the chameleon circuit once during his 6th incarnation. It didn't work quite right and then almost immediately broke again.
Just because you keep missing it, Rose is from London, not Cardiff. In Classic Who, the Doctor's knowledge of the Tardis and its abilities evolves over time, as he gets to know "her" better. So yes, there was that all along but he wasn't aware of it. I love the parts of this ep where they're all laughing having a good time, and then all together as a united front to corral Margaret. Also love that despite how much Jack flirts with everyone, he seems happiest just messing with technology.
'Bad wolf' was written on the bomb in German I think (the one Jack sat on at the end). Rose is sometimes selfish/self centred - I think it makes her a more rounded character and she is only 19. She's so empathetic most of the time, with just flashes of imperfection. I'm really enjoying your reactions. If you can fit it into your schedule, I'd love it if you reacted to Torchwood. Someone will no doubt tell you when to watch if you want to fit into the right places to sync with Doctor Who. It has some of my favourite 'Who' stories ever. Series 3 was just one of the best bits of British television ever produced in my opinion. It has an even cheaper budget than Doctor Who (loose change down the back of the sofa budget) as it was the first drama on a new BBC channel - BBC three that was aimed at 'youth' back in the day. It was transmitted after the watershed, so it could be more 'adult' and it took a while for them to work out how to pitch the tone. But in terms of interesting stories and complex, flawed characters, I loved it from the first episode.
Christopher Eccleston starred in “Let Him Have It” which truly opened my eyes towards some of my preconceived notions about the death penalty. I really loved them having an episode in his era that touched on the morality of being complicit in delivering someone to their death, even though they were a completely horrible person. The Jack/Doctor flirting gave my Queer heart life Wonderful reaction, as always 💜💜➕🌈🟦
I dont think rose regrets leaving mickey as much as how she did so. I think thats what she wishes to redo. I agree the transporter to the execution is not the executioner. But since the law is not his he does have a choice of whether to submit her to it. Which i think does make him somewhat culpable. Like if u have a choice which nation to take ur prisoner to and u know one could execute them and one would put in prison for life u do have a power of life and death. Its not a perfect dilemma and is cheated by the tardis resolving things, but it is interesting to explore.
The possibility that the TARDIS might be alive is alluded to throughout the Classic Series. (It’s first suggested in the 1964 serial “The Edge of Destruction”, the third story of the first season.) However, it wasn’t really expanded on until New Who.
18:19 IRL Police Boxes of the day were not designed to hold suspects or prisoners 😄. They were essentially toolsheds to hold gear for police. Not riot shields combat gear. Think shovels to clear streets, pylons or tape mebbe to mark off areas, things like. Some even had phones, but the were hard wired to call the local station (no dialer).
@michaelgonzalez6295 The police box the TARDIS was originally modeled on was mostly made of concrete, and the prop was made to resemble that. It was actually made of wood so that the crew could move it around more easily, but wasn't supposed to show it. The irony is, now that the prop looks like wood, it's actually made of fiberglass.
a note (non-spoilery) about the Chameleon Circuit: it doesn't just transform the Tardis into another object. it also makes it less perceptible - like, people can see it but they don't want to see it. I won't say anything else but that might explain why nobody objects to having a big blue box in the middle of the square ^^
If you want to know about (Redacted). Also there's (Redacted) and (Redacted). It was nice that Mickey stayed around just long enough to make sure Rose was okay, but he is obviously moving on.
Empty child doesn't have a bad wolf in it the doctor dances has the words Schlechter Wolf (bad wolf in german) written on the bomb. *Actually bad german, Schlechter Wolf actually means the other kind of bad, not as in synonymous to evil but bad is in being bad at somehting. The big bad wolf in german is "der böse Wolf".
I'm sure many other people have said this already, but: Many countries will not extradite prisoners to countries where they would be executed, due to a moral objection to capital punishment. Sometimes that includes the U.S. So whatever you think of the death penalty - and I'm not assuming your opinion, because this is a sci-fantasy show not real life - lots of intelligent people have concluded that "we're just sending you back, it's not up to us what happens next" doesn't absolve them of the consequences of that decision.
There were occasional casual references to the TARDIS being a living thing but most of the time you could have interpreted it as the Doctor just having an affection for his most constant companion much like some inhabitants of Earth have for their automobiles or whatever their favorite mode of transportation. Starting in the new series they really ran with the idea slowly over time. And on that note: Bad Wolf
The "Bad Wolf" in the empty child/doctor dances is another "hidden in a different language". it's written in German on the bomb jack is riding at the end
Coming from your Ted Lasso reactions I’ve been sitting and waiting during the Slitheen episodes to see if you noticed that Margaret the Slitheen is played by May who owns the pub in Ted Lasso.
Britain is a European country, and like all European countries, not only does it not have a capital penalty, but like most European countries has a policy of refusing to extradite people to countries where they'd be executed
the time agency is like future earth's time mi-6; it's never been detailed lots, but the notion was introduced very briefly in the late 1970s in the classic series i would have said cia, but the classic server has the celestial intelligence agency... so, uh 😆
The Tardis was first described as being alive way back with the very first Doctor. Also, I don't think it's much of a spoiler to say it's been mentioned that both The Doctor and the Tardis have grown accustomed to/fond of the Police Box shape.
Glad ur feeling better just got back into town from a trip and I was like she hasn’t up loaded in a while let me check it out I’m glad ur back and feeling better
The UK has a law, the Human Rights Act, that prohibits the extradition of people who may face a death penalty or execution. They believe they are baiscally executing someone if they send someone to a country that will put them to death.
In original Who I think they mentioned some sort of special "energy" at the core of the TARDIS rather than saying it was "alive". It only comes up maybe twice in all of the episodes of all of the Doctors of original Who.
Rose's comment of Trisha Delaney being "a bit big" was offensive at the time too. Rose in a lot of ways is supposed to come across as immature and self-centered, especially when it comes to Mickey. Her comments here land exactly the way they are intended to, IMO.
Exactly. We see it repeatedly throughout the series that Rose is jealous and possessive when it comes to men. At this point she was taking for granted that Mickey would be there for her so this comment came out of her jealousy
Yeah, while it's true that Rose is from an era where people were a bit more judgy over other people's looks and it was more normalised (not that that makes it ok, though), it still highlights her flaws as a character. That's kind of what Boom Town as an episode is all about, really. On the surface it's some fun hijinks with the return of the Slitheen (at least to start with), but it ends up being a surprisingly deep character study on Rose, Mickey, The Doctor, and Blon Fel Fotch/Margaret, highlighting their flaws and digging in a little.
The Tardis was always a machine originally, built and programed. However it always had its own intelligence and personality, a very quirky one because it was so old, and clearly demonstrated independent thought as early as the third story in the classic series back in early 1964.
Ninth is my favourite Doctor. I love, really love David Tennant's Doctor, he's my second favourite. I enjoy Matt Smith's Doctor, he's adorable... But Eccleston is My Doctor ❤ He made me love the show, so he has a special place in my Whovian heart.
David Tennant is my favorite doctor. Christopher was great but gone too soon. Favorite quote of the series: "I thought it would be cleaner." Referring to the reaction to the Tardis interior. Cannot believe the Fiesta Henderson is gone now. At least my old house and neighborhood is still alive behind it on Tiger Lilly Way. I miss Black Mountain, the parks, the view down on the strip. One day I hope to move back.
I think people often forget that Rose basically abandoned Mickey on the side of the road with no idea there was anything wrong with their relationship. Then was accused of killing her when she disappeared for 6 months.
Rose was 19, lived with her mum and worked as a shop girl (bottom rung, so I gather). She had some growing up to do-but she’s young and faulting the young for youth makes no sense…
@@joerosenman3480 sure and snow is white.
Whether or not she meant to hurt Mickey so deeply doesn't matter, she did. They knew each other their entire lives, the way she treated him was awful.
@@Lordoftheapes79 I’m not disagreeing or excusing, just “explaining.” Imo understanding a problem first leads to a more effective (or fitting) solution. (As if Rose is a problem to be fixed. 😲😉)
*12 months
@@maddyc2412 pretty sure they said 6, regardless, 12 would still be making it worse.
“She’s climbing out the window, isn’t she?” “Yes she is.” 😂 Love this one!
one of my favorite lines 😂😂😂😂
The "That'd be nice" from Rose regarding second chances isn't about Mickey being "the one", but about how badly she handled ending their relationship.
I've read someone say that for the Doctor they always choose an actor that has "favorite middle school teacher" vibes, just a really cool person you want to hang out with. And it's always a trauma when that actor leaves because you love them! How could you not love them! And then the new actor shows up and they're your new favorite middle school teacher and you fall in love with them.
Wait…is THAT why I became a middle school teacher?
holy fuck that's so true. Idk about Ncuti yet but from Chris to Jodi it's so true.
The slytheen are embarrassing 😂
Also Miss Frizzle
@@ThePonderer Be some kiddo's Doctor!
“Raxacoricofallapatorius” is a rite of passage for all new Whovians 🥰🤣
Its a good thing Trekkies don't consider the right of passage to be "1-7-3-4-6-7-3-2-1-4-7-6-charlie-3-2-7-8-9-7-7-7-6-4-3-tango-7-3-2-victor-7-3-1-1-7-8-8-8-7-3-2-4-7-6-7-8-9-7-6-4-3-7-6-LOCK"
The First Doctor (William Hartnell) companion in the First Episode "Unearthly Child" mentions the TARDIS is alive. Lots of hints until the Third Doctor (Jon Pertwee) in "Planet of the Spiders" verifies that the TARDIS is alive and that "she’s no fool.”
Ian says it in the first story.
Yup, the TARDIS was been considered its own living thing for some time.
Mickey is constantly sidelined by Rose. It would be a better situation if they broke up, but correct me if I'm wrong, but Rose has never said to him 'I want to break up'.
In the very first episode, she ran towards the Tardis without a second thought when the Doctor offered. She gave Mickey a kiss on the cheek, and she didn't really stop and think about it till the second episode.
Whilst Rose is a great companion, she is far from perfect.
In "The Doctor Dances" the words Bad Wolf were written in German on the bomb that Jack was on.
I‘m German and never noticed that 😮
@@Fanproductions -Easily missed. I wouldn't have known, but it was mentioned on the "Doctor Who Confidential" episode that followed "Parting of the ways".
You always love your first Doctor. I’m 60 years old and the 4th Doctor will always have my heart. You will appreciate and even become excited for all the Doctors who will come after your Doctor, but they won’t hold the same place in your Fangirl heart ❤️
I’ve been having a really hard time moving on from Christopher. He’s so special ❤️
Ah yes Tom Barker is my Doctor. I always loved Tennant for saying that about Peter Davidson. Your Doctor is always your Doctor. I sometimes feel bad for people coming into Dr Who with 9 because there is so much history and so much already built and personally I understand why Eccleston did not like the showrunners and what they were doing with the character. However I love Eccleston just the same.
@@funnylilgalreactsya it took me awhile to get used to the new doctor and companions Everytime they change it up on you but you gotta just past that feeling and just trust where the ride is taking you ....
They've never picked a bad Doctor. The writing has let the Doctor down from time to time, though.
Tom Baker was maybe the most murderous Doctor. He straight-up murdered a few people during his tenure. People tend to overlook that.
My 1st DW was Tom Baker in "The Keeper of Traken"..been a fan untill the Gender Crisis..Have NOT watched any of the WOKE episodes...=)
Rose and Mickey have small community (not small town) childhood sweetheart vibes. I feel like Rose was comfortable with Mickey and Mickey was majorly in love with Rose. Then Rose found her "What next," and she handled it really badly.
Rose is immature and does have a small side to her. With Mickey, she does kinda have a "I don't want him, but I don't want anyone else to have him" thing going.
But she also knows when she takes a moment to think about it that that's not fair. She gets that she can't expect Mickey to wait around and he ought to move on, even if her sentimentality wants him waiting around like her childhood bedroom when she comes home to visit.
The TARDIS appeared in the first episode in 1963. It picked up its shape in a London scrap yard and kept its shape. The original prop lasted 16 years before falling apart.
Fun fact: When they were starting work on the 2005 revival, the BBC had to fight the London Police Department for the right to keep the TARDIS in its iconic police box form.
@@spugnoxngubcux9801 copyright fight. But the police never defended their copyright, so their claim was weak.
@@Dularr Trademark.
You don't have to defend copyright. It's automatically granted by the Berne Convention, upon the act of creation.
Trademarks are the ones that you have to defend in order to keep them.
@Dularr Except it kept getting shorter, because the edges of the side panels would fray from assembly and disassembly, so the crew would just saw a bit off from time to time.
@@klaxoncow the copyright for the TARDIS could expire in 2047.
17:40 Congratulations
Being able to say "Raxacoricofallapatorius" from memory is one of the skills I am most proud of, as a doctor who fan.
its actually not that difficult a word. The syllables bounce off each other easily enough for one's tongue not to get too tied
IIRC I think the thing with Mickey is that they grew up together, so like that tends to have an extra layer of attachment/co-dependence in a relationship.
It's always interesting seeing American and British reactors react to the death penalty scene. Unsurprisingly American reactors have a similar reaction to yours and British reactors are more hesitant about it.
I do think her trying to argue her being killed is equal to destroying the planet, which is so far beyond anything an Earth court has dealt with as to be an impossible comparison.
Her calling them executioners while wearing someone else’s skin was bold.
@@funnylilgalreacts The noive!
@@funnylilgalreacts Sure, but that's on her. The Doctor taking her to her death is on him. He could take her somewhere else. Hand her over to the Earth's police force (UNIT) to lock up.
Taking her to a place where she will absolutely be killed is a choice. The UK not extraditing prisoners to the US if they face the death penalty is a choice.
Choice is why nobody could look her in the eye. They all understand this. This is the cultural difference being highlighted here. We' don't consider eye for an eye to be justice, we see it as revenge. We don't consider that to be acceptable. (Nor does the rest of the western world, google "Capital punishment by country"). Who is right is outside the scope of my post, I just want to point out why the reactions differ depending on which side of the pond you are.
@@HuntingViolets"whomever saves one life, saves the entire world". Reverse it.
23:02 its called being in love and grown up about it. The patience and compassion to wait for someone else.
All the Doctors are wonderful, they're just different. My Whovian friends and I have reached the obvious conclusion that there are no bad Doctors, only bad episodes.
Must not have watched the 6th Doctor era.
@@cruelangel8689 Bits of it. Hard to blame Colin Baker though. That's when the head of the BBC was actively trying to sabotage the show.
@@cruelangel8689 colin baker shines in big finish
There are no bad doctors, but there are bad producers?
And he’s one of, if not the, most warm-hearted and kind actors to have ever played the Doctor despite playing easily the thorniest of them all… He’s still grateful he got the chance even if it was sabotaged, and got to really play him to the fullest potential in spin-off materials.
Annette Badland, who plays Margaret, is a brilliant actress. Her voice is warm liquid gold.
The tardis being alive is a concept that goes very far back in Doctor Who.
No one explicitly says it until now.
But back in the 70s with Jon Pertwee, someone (I think it was Sergeant Benton) says to the doctor "sometimes you talk as though the tardis is alive."
To which The doctor replies "yes, yes I do." And there's a linger on his face for a moment.
When I saw her in Ted Lasso I screamed SLITHEEN!!! And my partner just rolled their eyes. 😄
Same
Apparently the original plan was to have the slitheen in just their 2 part story. But Russell T Davies love the performance of Annette Badland so much that he wrote the episode "boom town" specifically to have her return...
The actress was filming another project, and had to get permission to go to Cardiff for a short time to film her scenes and then rush back to the other project...
Given this background it makes her performance even better....
A much younger version of the Slitheen also appears in a 1970's detective TV Show set off the coast of France. The series is called Bergerac.
I thought it was because the original story planned fell through - something about the Doctor having engineered Rose to be the “perfect companion” through his time travelling? Or was that just a rumour, like the “Chris wasn’t the real Doctor” one someone at my uni in the 2010s claimed they heard…?
What I would say in Mickey's favour is that Rose litterally called him halfway across the country on a flimsy pretext just because she wanted to see him. I don't think he can be blamed for thinking that this was the moment for a possible reconciliation and accordingly pouring his heart out to her.
It was also very selfish of her to ask him to do that. She had him drop work and pay a fortune for a train from London to Cardiff just so she could see him. When she has a literal time machine. If she was so desperate to see him, then why not ask the Doctor to drop her off before he went to refuel in Cardiff and then pick her up once he was refuelled in a couple of days? She would be able to see Jackie as well then.
Funniest line in the show: "But they were French".
And with perfect delivery too. 🤣🤣🤣
@craigmorris4083 I've always liked that in _Futurama,_ French is a dead language, and all the French people speak English.
The book "Life, The Universe and Everything" by Douglas Adams (part of the Hitchhikers series) was originally going to be a Doctor Who story for Tom Baker.
Slartibartfast's ship, The Bistromath, was going to be the TARDIS: whilst the TARDIS has the 'Chameleon Circuit' to disguise it, the Bistromath has a 'Someone Else's Problem Field' to disguise it as an Italian Bistro.
The radio show is fantastic.
Douglas wrote the 'most watched' story City of Death
Elements of that Tom Baker story also turned up in his novel, Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency.
Not quite; it's built in the form of a bistro in order to facilitate the reality-bending mathematics that let it travel through time and space. The SEP field is analogous to a different technology built into the TARDIS, which I don't think has been introduced to our host yet.
@@manjackson2772 funny that this is the episode where the doctor tells mickey people just walk on past it though right 😊
Something that this season explores are many ideas that the original series didn't really touch on. What happens to the freinds and family that the companion leaves behind? What if there were a companion who was self-serving and greedy? What are the actual implications of trying to change past events?
And this one deals with what happens once the Doctor has moved on after defeating monsters but left a big mess.
You what people would think if we saw a Blue Police Box next to the fountains in the middle of Cardiff - and we were in the whoniverse?
"Huh, another stupid public art installation. City council will spend money on anything."
Seriously, you should see some of the shite we have round here in Liverpool. Look up the Lambanana.
I hate when people call Mickey pathetic. He just really loves Rose. There's something to be admired about loving someone and actually devoting yourself to that love, even if it might not be reciprocated in the same way. Is it the healthiest, perhaps not, but it's not pathetic, and there's nothing wrong with it.
Before you watch the Christmas episode please watch the mini episode "Children in Need Special 2005" it will explain a bunch of things and it fits between those episodes (:
It’s not really vital at all and in fact contradicts the Xmas special and final episode of series 13. It was just a quick written scene for a UK charity show it’s not necessary really
@@obiwankenobi687it doesn’t contradict anything
@@eow4317 it does, dialogue in the Xmas special does not match what happens in that mini special. It’s literally supposed to be watched as series 13 then straight to the Xmas special, the mini children in need clip was written and filmed way into series 2. Everything rose is confused about in the Xmas special is explained to her face the children in need clip. So she goes from confusion, sadness in episode 13 to being told exactly what is happening and understanding and coming to terms with it in the mini clip and then back to confusion and sadness for the Xmas special. They contradict each other
I mean Mickey did deserve better than how Rose was treating him. You have to remember he spent a whole year with his entire world thinking that he murdered Rose. And he couldn't exactly tell them she went off into a box and disappeared. That would mess anyone up emotionally. He might've been a bit of a coward but he was never a bad person.
I think Rose is just comfortable around Mickey because they have been friends since childhood. I think at the end when she said she wanted a second chance, that was just because she feels bad about leading him on and hurting him, not because she's in love with him. She has moved on and is in love with the Doctors world now, but she still doesn't want to hurt Mickey!
I like this episode, you can tell it's the 'cheap' episode because there's not a lot of effects and drama but the friendship of the four really carries it!
About a living TARDIS: It has been hinted from the first doctor (William Hartnell) in the 12th episode 'The Edge of Destruction' from 1964 that the TARDIS is a living being.
Barbara, played by Jacqueline Hill, and Ian, portrayed by William Russell (both of the doctor's companions), discuss the issue and conclude that the TARDIS is trying to warn them through its unusual behavior.
Growing up in the UK during the 2000s, Annette Badland was in so many random things lol. The Queen's Nose, The Worst Witch, Doctor Who, The Ghost Hunter, The Demon Headmaster. An unspoken queen of British kids television.
She's in an episode of Plebs too, playing a food critic. Was a surprise when I watched it the other day.
Now Ted lasso
@@fayesouthall6604Outlander, too
Did a series of The Worst Witch get made?!? I'm guessing Fairuza Balk and Tim Curry weren't in it?
And The Sparticle Mystery
Plenty of countries refuse to extradite people who would face death penalty because that would make them party to murder. Her making that argument is self serving but its not like she made up sime bizzaro principle out of nowhere.
I think that the UK is one of them.
@@GrumpyOldGit-zk1kwYeah we are so cucked.
Canada won't deport/extradite if the death penalty is even an option for someone who has not even been tried in the prosecuting country yet. However there is no way to stop the other country from reneging on any promise not to impose the death penalty.
I think there are multiple times we haven't sent people to America for that reason.
What you have to remember is that here in the UK we don't have the death penalty, and it's generally considered to be an abhorrent and heinous concept; not by everybody but by most people. As such, the Doctor wouldn't even vaguely consider it as an option. I know that not all states in America practice the death penalty, and I don't know what the situation is where you are, but as I say the attitude against it is a very British one.
the Doctor is from Gallifrey, not Britain.
we all know why it's easy to project British values onto him/her, but that isn't guaranteed to be true.
@@JHNoble It's a British-made show so it will intrinsically have.British values. With the death penalty being abhorrent to British values, it's to be expected that the Doctor will be equally opposed to it.
@@andrewbowman4611 Yes. And, in particular, in Britain courts cannot extradite suspects to countries where they are at risk of the death penalty, which is what this story clearly refers to.
That was a recent thing.
Capital punishment for murder was suspended in 1965 and eventually abolished for murder in 1969 but capital punishment for treason and piracy with violence was abolished only in 1998.
The UK acceded to the 13th Protocol, abolishing the Death Penalty in any circumstance (including Regicide), in 2003.
So it was a fairly recent fact when this episode was written and aired in 2005.
Thanks - came here to say this. And it's not just Britain but all of Europe (excepting Belarus and Russia). It would be ingrained in the show and the viewers that it's wrong.
Russell T Davies had to step in at the last minute to write this after the guest writer who was due to pen a story for episode 11 pulled out. Russell had been so impressed with Annette Badland’s performance in the Slitheen two-parter, so he decided to bring her back and base the whole episode around her.
7th Doctor Sylvester McCoy was my favourite growing up, 10th Doctor David Tennant was the Doctor I seemed to enjoy watching the most while he was the active Doctor but 11th Matt Smith is the one I miss the most. We are fortunate to have had so many good times.
Nice to see the 7th Doc love!
@@cruelangel8689Just finished watching Rememberance. "Ashes to ashes. Dust to dust."the
"Christopher Ecclestone is MY Doctor!" said by everyone who came on board for the first time with this series.
(It doesn't mean you can't ever fall in love another time - just like in Real Life- but he will always be your 'First'.)
Cardiff is about 150 miles from London where Rose and her family are from. This why we didn't get to see Jackie this time. It adds more to the story that Mickey has been hanging on waiting for Rose for 18 months by now (the year she was 'missing' plus the 6 months since Downing street) and is willing to travel across the UK to catch up with her......only to accept that she's never going to choose him.
(Bad Wolf was referenced in The Doctor Dances - it was written on the side of the bomb Jack was riding - only written in (badly translated) German)
1980's UK kids impressing their friends: "Look I can do the Rubik's Cube!"
2000's UK kids impressing their friends: " I can say 'Raxacoricofallapatorious'
2024 me, impressing myself: I can still spell 'Raxacoricofallapatorious'!
[we also see Bad Wolf graffitied on the side of the TARDIS by some preteen boy when it's parked in the courtyard of Rose & Jackie's estate.]
My son born in 2015 - rattling off Raxacoricofallapatotious like it's no big deal because we're on our 3rd rewatch of Doctor Who (2005 to present) since he became old enough to enjoy the show.
Ecclestone is my first doctor, but Smith stole my heart, and Smith is my Doctor
@@weekendminis Smith > Capaldi > the rest haha
The TARDIS has pretty much always been somewhat alive. I'm not sure when the earliest reference was.
The Doctor has actually tried to fix the Chameleon Circuit a couple of times in the past. It always ends up back as a police box.
Sixth Dr fixed it and it turned into an organ in a junkyard 😂 he quickly returned it to broken.
@DigitalBath742 It was still broken, because the forms it was taking were inappropriate. That was the point.
The first big hint that the TARDIS was alive was the third ever story, 1963's The Edge of Destruction.
Actually, it was episode one: Ian Chesterton touched the “police box” and exclaimed that it’s warm; he said it’s alive, because effectively it gave off an indication of warmth like a warm body does… People tend to forget this one, of course.
during the empty child "bad wolf" or a variation of it was placed on the bomb that Jack was riding
Why are people spoiling that Jack is in Torchwood? Like come on, just keep your comments to what's specifically in each video. Let reactors find out things on their own. It's not hard.
For real!
unfortunately for some reason this is very common, i’ll never understand why. the whole appeal of reactions (especially years after the show airs where things haven’t been spoiled in promos) is to see the surprise and shock!
Well she doesn't know what that is, as far as she knows it could be a prequel.
@@DaDunge that's dumb because you're still setting expectations
@@DaDunge ANY FUTURE COMMENTS ABOUT JACK INDICATE THAT HE SURVIVES THE NEXT EPISODE, since it's never a prequel. It is still a spoiler!
Eccleston is more than wonderful. He is brilliant. Absolutely BRILLIANT.
Annette Badland is the actress who plays Margaret. She is also known for playing Mrs. Fitz in the first season of Outlander, and she is the current corner in Midsummer Murders.
Noel Clarke (Micky) can actually be pretty intimidating when he wants to be. He played a bloody lunatic in Kidulthood, a film about kids who get involved with gang stuff in inner city London
And is kind of a terrible person in real life, given the viable allegations against him… But well, I don’t hold that up against Mickey the character all in all (though it makes the simping he does over Rose… a bit more uncomfortable, not lying about that.
Yeah by all accounts him and John Barrowman are horrible people
I used to watch a few Doctor Who episodes back in the 70s on our PBS Channel. It wasn’t until I watched a Doctor Who movie in 96 that the show caught my attention. Paul McGann was playing the Doctor. Although he was the first actor to get me interested in Doctor Who, it was Christopher Eccleston who brought me back episode after episode… so I will say he’s my favorite! Thank you for your reactions Angela! I feel like I’m watching them for the first time with you as I have no memories of these episodes. Lol
It's easy to miss because you get some parts of Rose's story as casual mentions in conversations, but Mickey sort of rescued Rose. See, Rose dropped out of school for a jerk named Jimmy Stone who ended up treating her badly. I'm not sure of all the details, but at some point, Mickey rescued her from that and got her to reconnect with her mum. That's why Rose is often so reluctant to end things with Mickey, because she feels bad for ditching him when he's done so much to help her. Raxicoricofalipatorius... try saying that 5 times fast lol.
That part of Rose's backstory was admittedly never brought up explicitly in the show, but it was something Russell T Davies took the time to flesh out for her character-- something I always appreciated about RTD is how much consideration he put into every detail of every character's lives, even the one-off side characters that never reappear. It felt so in-line with Doctor Who's theme of "everyone is important". Every character is a person with a complex life and complex relationships with others. Mickey is more than just Rose's current boyfriend, he's a lifelong friend and a stable, constant piece of her life that she can hold onto-- it's scary to let go of that, and she's only human.
The gimmick with classic Doctor is that anytime the character showed up, despite it being a kids show, basically every character you meet ends up dying. Space station? Almost all killed. Alien planet? Almost all killed. Or planet explodes. Doctor Dances is kind of the only episode I can think of that had zero deaths, so it was clearly a big moment for the character - several hundred years in the making perhaps.
You never forget your first Doctor :)
The object of Dr Who is to teach very hard moral lessons. There are reasons the character is the way he is right now and you will learn with time but the normal TV viewing instinct of just killing something or being detached from the morality of what you think. Learn to be kind is that educational part of Dr Who that is through all of the years of Dr Who. It also is ironic because the Doctor can be the most unkind being in the universe either by accident or on purpose. The Doctor always returns to kind. The morality of Dr Who is why most viewers do not gravitate to the show and it always tends to be a niche type of viewer that becomes fans.
The viewers are also reminded fairly regularly just how terrible a bad Time Lord can be. The Master and the Valyard are the obvious examples but you also get some great episodes where the Doctor loses his way, goes too far and has to have sense knocked into him.
Please spoiler tag this.
The object of Doctor Who is to entertain. Not to teach.
@@miller-joel The show started in the 60s and it was pitched to the BBC to "entertain and to educate". Doctor Who has always been equivalate to what Aesop's Fables is for books. If all you pull out of it is entertainment that is ok. Every showrunner since 1963 has recognized and has had cause to use writers that understand the theme of the story is about understanding the human condition and our place in the universe. The Doctor has always been the moral arbiter and the companion is how the viewer views the Doctor. Go read The Handbook: The Unofficial and Unauthorized Guide to the Production of Doctor Who by David J Howe. Not official or authorized because the BBC did not want some things told that put the BBC in a negative light.
@@miller-joel It's a kids' show. And like the best kids' shows, Doctor Who teaches - or rather, makes people think - while it entertains.
The actress playing the Slitheen plays a good side character in the most recent few series of Midsomer Murders. She plays the pathologist and never lets anyone get away with anything.
Voltage by itself isn't actually that much of an issue, the amperage is. Think of it like a stream of water, with voltage being the speed at which the water moves, and amperage being the "size" of the stream. A tiny little jet (low amperage) of fast-moving (high voltage) water will sting, but not do much harm (unless it's *_really_* fast, like a leak in a submarine a couple of hundred meters below the surface). But a big stream that's moving fairly slowly will still pull you along and quite possibly drown you.
So that "10,000 Volt" by itself sounds impressive, but wouldn't actually mean much 🤓
Just to point out. Welsh language is object descriptor. The flag is 'The Dragon Red' Blaidd Drwg is Wolf Bad.
18:53 Margaret is of course doing the head games to survive. But what is more important, this is a character study into the principles each of the team has with regards to killing/murder whether it is for defense as Mikey did in sending the missile to 10 Downing Street or doing nothing and sending Margaret Slitheen to her death. The Doctor has and does kill "monsters" generally to stop the a plot and death of larger numbers, but here Margaret is truly helpless in the face of her "jailer". Will he show compassion?
Ah, it's the old "Switch" vs "Bridge" scenarios of the Trolley Problem. Never noticed that before.
Rumor says that the set for the first season was toxic, unorganized and unsafe. Both John Barrowman and Noel Clarke (Mickey) were accused with SA. Eccleston supposedly spoke up about these and disliked how things were on set. There was a huge fallout between him, RTD and the BBC and basically they made it impossible for Eccleston to get an acting job in the UK after DW. He only recently started to attend conventions, earlier he refused anything DW related. It's so sad, his acting made modern Who what it is
Rose did not treat Mickey with the respect he (anyone, really) was due.
Dr. Who has always been a liberal show at heart. In NuWho they introduce an interracial couple in the first episode. In the Dickens episode they refer to class issues. With Jack they normalize bisexuality. All very casually, not heavy handed. Part of the reason I love the show.
Well, pansexuality really but I get and agree with the message
"That old guy's just going to sit there and take that?" Well, he is British.
People in the comments really need to stop commenting using future knowledge. Good for you, you know what happens. Now please sush and let people enjoy it without awaiting this or that twist
But why do you read the comments first if you don't know? Of course people are going to comment on what's in the video.
Dr Who as a show is really not good to think of like being spoiled. Yes minor storylines but when you talk about a character that honestly has no definition built by a story and changes depending on the showrunner everything you talk about the character is out of context and really makes no sense. Even this reactor with her dislike of even looking at the end credits to see the "next on Dr Who" misses how most people have experienced Dr Who for almost 60 years. I would say yes don't hint to spoiling future stories but when you talk about the show it really does not flow like modern streaming entertainment does today.
@@SilverEye91 they don't mean "in the video"
@@alicepbg2042 Oh, okay. My bad then.
We don’t want to spoil things for the reactor. Some reactors quit reading the comments and interacting with us because people won’t listen to “no spoilers.” If a reactor won’t look at Next Time, it’s pretty much a given that commenters need to stick to commenting about what she’s seen or at least write “spoiler” (all caps) and hit enter a few times so the spoiler is after the Read More.
When Rose says that Tricia Delaney is a bit big, that's not a comment that was just fine to make when it aired. It's Rose being jealous and possessive.
It was definitely fine to make when it aired. Fat jokes were everywhere back then, it still should be fine today as Rose is written to speak like an actual real 19 year old would speak, she’s not perfect, she’s not a perfect AI representation of a completely inoffensive human. She’d never say that line nowadays as people would get massively triggered on Twitter and cancel the entire cast and crew and force about several different apologies. Everyone has to be perfect nowadays
@@obiwankenobi687 Fat jokes were not everywhere back then. They were dying out in the '90s. People are just more sensitive to them now.
And Rose wasn't making a fat joke. There's no joke in "She's a bit big." Rose is questioning Mickey's choice, and anyone can see she's doing it because she's jealous and wants to put Tricia Delaney below herself.
The line is not supposed to be funny. The line is not supposed to seem like a perfectly innocent thing for Rose to say. Rose is behaving badly, and treating Mickey badly, and that's the point of showing her saying it. Rose is the bad guy here.
@@SuStel I didn’t say she was making a fat joke. But fat jokes and making fun of weight were absolutely everywhere at that time. On coronation street, other soaps, Miranda, Not going out, Little Britain, Catherine Tate, any comedy at the time, movies poked fun. Even Doctor Who, the slitheen are specifically supposed to be fat people, slitheen need fat people to squeeze into because they’re so large and can only shrink so much. Fat jokes didn’t die out in the 90’s
Rose isn’t perfect and she’s written that way, realistically. Nobody would ever get written realistically nowadays as people are way too sensitive, triggered and eager to cancel people. That’s why every single companion since 2018 have been absolute bastions of perfection who never place an offensive toe out of line for fear of the rabid, tiny offended fanbase that remains
It’s a massive shame as RTD used to be the king of writing characters that felt soooo real and relatable.
@@SuStel I agree with you, but they absolutely weren't dying out in the 90s. Shallow Hal was 2001 and Norbit was 2007, both of those revolved around fat jokes. Even Fat Monica crossed into the 00s. Late 00s was where that trend started to finally fade out.
@@obiwankenobi687Ironically the actual triggered snowflake is in-fact you.
Ecclestones doctor is great at one second being deep in thought or really serious to instantly switching to a cheeky grin and laughing it all off.
"10,000 seems a lot..." For perspective, Ol' Sparky, the electric chair once used for executions, was 2,000 volts.
Oh I could watch a Doctor Who episode reaction every day, though I’d never expect you to make them that fast… unless you could. 😂 Great episode, as always.
Apologies in advance for the long comment, but Doctor Who gives me a lot of thoughts (especially a deep character study of an episode like this one), so thank you to anyone who takes the time to read them all.
I know the Slitheen are really goofy villains, but fart jokes aside I actually think the design of the Raxacoricofallapatorians is pretty neat!
Sure, where CG was used it looks a bit wonky, but the practical costume work is really well executed! I like the horizontal blinking and the description of their evolution and culture centred on hunting.
Also, every once in a while I randomly remember the way The Doctor yells "Margaret!" As he chases her out of the window and chuckle to myself, I don't know why that tickles me so much.
Gonna add some edits: First, I stand by The Doctor's plan to let the Gelth borrow human corpses. I'm all for respecting the dead but between that and the fate of a whole species? I know what I'd pick! It's just too bad the Gelth were secretly plotting an invasion, otherwise it was a solid plan!
Secondly, regarding Torchwood and any other spinoff shows (which I couldn't recommend more for you to integrate into your Doctor Who watch schedule!), there is a guide someone can pass to you on the best chronological viewing order.
29:15 Ahh, so close! Not sure why the subtitles spell it as "Raxacoricofal-vit-orius," since that's incorrect, you can derive the right way to spell it from what I wrote above.
Gotta say I'm liking the increased appreciation for Mickey from you in this one! Growth! Still, you're right that both he and Rose need to move on, though it's totally understandable for Rose to feel bad about breaking his heart while she does so, and for Mickey to feel resentful. Not saying it's right or healthy, but it's believable!
Regarding the Tardis being alive and conscious, it's a little complicated. Sometimes it's like a space-time car the Doctor drives as precisely as he can manage, other times it redirects him to where he ought to be. It's not conscious in the way you or I are usually, but it clearly has some kind of soul or will, which explains why The Doctor loves it so much.
Rose isn't in her 20s, she's 19. This may or may not recontextualize some of her actions for you.
I wonder if Rose's comment about Tricia Delaney may have been just a little jealousy creeping in. Or perhaps thinking that if she couldn't have Mickey, then nobody could.
It was definitely jealousy, it’s just so uncomfortable watching Rose be mean and spiteful
Angela is used to seeing Rose’s best qualities and agreeing with her; she’s ultimately a good person, but has her flaws for sure.
It's not usually the volts that's a problem, it's the amperage. Your average taser delivers tens of thousands of volts.... but the current is low enough it (usually) doesn't cause permanent problems.
There was one time when the doctor did try to fix the chameleon circuit once during his 6th incarnation. It didn't work quite right and then almost immediately broke again.
It's lovely to see how quickly those Doctor Who title cards are coming along 🤣
Just because you keep missing it, Rose is from London, not Cardiff.
In Classic Who, the Doctor's knowledge of the Tardis and its abilities evolves over time, as he gets to know "her" better. So yes, there was that all along but he wasn't aware of it.
I love the parts of this ep where they're all laughing having a good time, and then all together as a united front to corral Margaret. Also love that despite how much Jack flirts with everyone, he seems happiest just messing with technology.
'Bad wolf' was written on the bomb in German I think (the one Jack sat on at the end).
Rose is sometimes selfish/self centred - I think it makes her a more rounded character and she is only 19. She's so empathetic most of the time, with just flashes of imperfection.
I'm really enjoying your reactions. If you can fit it into your schedule, I'd love it if you reacted to Torchwood. Someone will no doubt tell you when to watch if you want to fit into the right places to sync with Doctor Who. It has some of my favourite 'Who' stories ever. Series 3 was just one of the best bits of British television ever produced in my opinion. It has an even cheaper budget than Doctor Who (loose change down the back of the sofa budget) as it was the first drama on a new BBC channel - BBC three that was aimed at 'youth' back in the day. It was transmitted after the watershed, so it could be more 'adult' and it took a while for them to work out how to pitch the tone. But in terms of interesting stories and complex, flawed characters, I loved it from the first episode.
Christopher Eccleston starred in “Let Him Have It” which truly opened my eyes towards some of my preconceived notions about the death penalty. I really loved them having an episode in his era that touched on the morality of being complicit in delivering someone to their death, even though they were a completely horrible person.
The Jack/Doctor flirting gave my Queer heart life
Wonderful reaction, as always 💜💜➕🌈🟦
You never forget your first Doctor. That's why Tom Baker will always be my favorite.
I dont think rose regrets leaving mickey as much as how she did so. I think thats what she wishes to redo.
I agree the transporter to the execution is not the executioner. But since the law is not his he does have a choice of whether to submit her to it. Which i think does make him somewhat culpable.
Like if u have a choice which nation to take ur prisoner to and u know one could execute them and one would put in prison for life u do have a power of life and death. Its not a perfect dilemma and is cheated by the tardis resolving things, but it is interesting to explore.
The possibility that the TARDIS might be alive is alluded to throughout the Classic Series. (It’s first suggested in the 1964 serial “The Edge of Destruction”, the third story of the first season.) However, it wasn’t really expanded on until New Who.
Favourite quote of this episode: " Dinner and bondage.. works for me."
18:19 IRL Police Boxes of the day were not designed to hold suspects or prisoners 😄. They were essentially toolsheds to hold gear for police. Not riot shields combat gear. Think shovels to clear streets, pylons or tape mebbe to mark off areas, things like. Some even had phones, but the were hard wired to call the local station (no dialer).
It probably varied by jurisdiction because many were used to hold suspects temporarily until they could be taken in to the station.
There are still a few to be found around London. They are smaller ones designed to hold the phone. But, the design and colour are the same.
They were also somewhere to shelter out of the rain (back when Police actually 'walked the beat'), and had a desk for paperwork.
@michaelgonzalez6295 The police box the TARDIS was originally modeled on was mostly made of concrete, and the prop was made to resemble that. It was actually made of wood so that the crew could move it around more easily, but wasn't supposed to show it. The irony is, now that the prop looks like wood, it's actually made of fiberglass.
a note (non-spoilery) about the Chameleon Circuit: it doesn't just transform the Tardis into another object. it also makes it less perceptible - like, people can see it but they don't want to see it. I won't say anything else but that might explain why nobody objects to having a big blue box in the middle of the square ^^
If you want to know about (Redacted). Also there's (Redacted) and (Redacted). It was nice that Mickey stayed around just long enough to make sure Rose was okay, but he is obviously moving on.
Empty child doesn't have a bad wolf in it the doctor dances has the words Schlechter Wolf (bad wolf in german) written on the bomb.
*Actually bad german, Schlechter Wolf actually means the other kind of bad, not as in synonymous to evil but bad is in being bad at somehting. The big bad wolf in german is "der böse Wolf".
I'm sure many other people have said this already, but: Many countries will not extradite prisoners to countries where they would be executed, due to a moral objection to capital punishment. Sometimes that includes the U.S. So whatever you think of the death penalty - and I'm not assuming your opinion, because this is a sci-fantasy show not real life - lots of intelligent people have concluded that "we're just sending you back, it's not up to us what happens next" doesn't absolve them of the consequences of that decision.
"Not better. Who said better? No one said better."
I'll say it. Mickey's better than her.
Ever notice the inside of the TARDIS's walls looks like a dalek shell armor
There were occasional casual references to the TARDIS being a living thing but most of the time you could have interpreted it as the Doctor just having an affection for his most constant companion much like some inhabitants of Earth have for their automobiles or whatever their favorite mode of transportation. Starting in the new series they really ran with the idea slowly over time.
And on that note: Bad Wolf
The "Bad Wolf" in the empty child/doctor dances is another "hidden in a different language". it's written in German on the bomb jack is riding at the end
Coming from your Ted Lasso reactions I’ve been sitting and waiting during the Slitheen episodes to see if you noticed that Margaret the Slitheen is played by May who owns the pub in Ted Lasso.
The chameleon circuit was explained all the way back to the first Doctor. At the time JFK was unalived.
Britain is a European country, and like all European countries, not only does it not have a capital penalty, but like most European countries has a policy of refusing to extradite people to countries where they'd be executed
Which is why Europe is turning into the third World shit hole you see today.
the time agency is like future earth's time mi-6; it's never been detailed lots, but the notion was introduced very briefly in the late 1970s in the classic series
i would have said cia, but the classic server has the celestial intelligence agency... so, uh 😆
The Tardis was first described as being alive way back with the very first Doctor. Also, I don't think it's much of a spoiler to say it's been mentioned that both The Doctor and the Tardis have grown accustomed to/fond of the Police Box shape.
Glad ur feeling better just got back into town from a trip and I was like she hasn’t up loaded in a while let me check it out I’m glad ur back and feeling better
This is the first episode I ever saw as a kid, it has a special place in my heart.
Can I just say how much I loooove the title cards😂❤❤
The UK has a law, the Human Rights Act, that prohibits the extradition of people who may face a death penalty or execution. They believe they are baiscally executing someone if they send someone to a country that will put them to death.
Yes! The Tardis was also confirmed to be alive in classic DrWho. She's my favourite character in the series, can't wait for you to see more of her 😊
Stop spoiling
In original Who I think they mentioned some sort of special "energy" at the core of the TARDIS rather than saying it was "alive". It only comes up maybe twice in all of the episodes of all of the Doctors of original Who.
I think even if he could fix the chameleon circuit, He secretly hopes a few people he left behind find him again.
Rose's comment of Trisha Delaney being "a bit big" was offensive at the time too. Rose in a lot of ways is supposed to come across as immature and self-centered, especially when it comes to Mickey. Her comments here land exactly the way they are intended to, IMO.
Yeah, that’s jealousy + body shaming.
Exactly. We see it repeatedly throughout the series that Rose is jealous and possessive when it comes to men. At this point she was taking for granted that Mickey would be there for her so this comment came out of her jealousy
I never liked Rose. Mickey did deserve better. She treats him so bad.
Yeah, while it's true that Rose is from an era where people were a bit more judgy over other people's looks and it was more normalised (not that that makes it ok, though), it still highlights her flaws as a character.
That's kind of what Boom Town as an episode is all about, really. On the surface it's some fun hijinks with the return of the Slitheen (at least to start with), but it ends up being a surprisingly deep character study on Rose, Mickey, The Doctor, and Blon Fel Fotch/Margaret, highlighting their flaws and digging in a little.
@@gazzamanazza4pm I'm not sure people are less judgy about looks now -- also possible Rose was being judgy about intelligence, but yes.
The Tardis was always a machine originally, built and programed. However it always had its own intelligence and personality, a very quirky one because it was so old, and clearly demonstrated independent thought as early as the third story in the classic series back in early 1964.
The fences in Jurassic Park said they were 10,000 Volts
Me dying a little inside now realizing that "Doctor Who Wednesdays" means we're not going to be caught up until like late 2026.
Maybe. Bonus days are possible
@@funnylilgalreacts 75 bonus days 👉👈🥹?
In Doctor Dances, Bad Wolf is in German on the bomb Jack rides on at the end.
Ninth is my favourite Doctor. I love, really love David Tennant's Doctor, he's my second favourite. I enjoy Matt Smith's Doctor, he's adorable... But Eccleston is My Doctor ❤ He made me love the show, so he has a special place in my Whovian heart.
David Tennant is my favorite doctor. Christopher was great but gone too soon. Favorite quote of the series: "I thought it would be cleaner." Referring to the reaction to the Tardis interior. Cannot believe the Fiesta Henderson is gone now. At least my old house and neighborhood is still alive behind it on Tiger Lilly Way. I miss Black Mountain, the parks, the view down on the strip. One day I hope to move back.