Ruger LC Carbine vs PC Carbine
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2022
- Welcome back! This is a table top review and comparison of the Ruger LC Carbine (5.7x28) and the Ruger PC Carbine (9mm). We will start with a spec comparison and then move through a point-by-point overview of the two. Thanks for watching!
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I Want the LC in 9mm, I like the size better
I would like to see the LC Carbine in 9 mm with Glock mags.
That LC carbine looks like the perfect backpack/truck carbine. Light, light recoil, 20 rounds, and fairly cheap at $850 online. Rounds are about $.60 on Ammoseek. Might be my next purchase!
If you buy the RUGER PC get the CHASSIS carbine. I highly recommend getting all the MCARBO internal parts you can plus their muzzle brake. Then get a TANDEMKROSS 20% stiffer recoil spring, a MAGPUL 1 & 2 point QD sling and a flush cup sling swivel for the forearm. I put a HOLOSUN AEMS circle/dot "mailbox" fully enclosed sight on teh BARREL Pic rail to maintain zero no matter how many times I removed the barrel for cleaning.
With all these aftermarket parts plus a few more you may want you will have a VERY reliable carbine that will eat any ammo you want to run. Oh, yeah, buy 5 or 6 GLOCK 30 round "happy sticks" before some ass makes them illegal in yer state.
Love my PC carbine 9 mm, one of the best carbine guns made
Same here. Upgraded mine though, and it works like a charm :)
@@thespectator2976 What sort of upgrades?
@@dso227 New chassie system rom midwestern, new extractor from Tandemkross and so forth. works like a charm as i said earlier :) But i would go with new extractor as first upgrade :)
@@dso227 See my reply to Chuck Cribbs above.
Mine works flawlessly as long as the stock screws don't work loose. On one outing it started jamming like crazy till I tightened them. I assume the loose stock altered the magazine's feed angle, producing malfunctions. I'm going to put locktite on them as a precaution.
Had no use for a 5.7 carbine, but bought this LC as soon as it came out in .45 ACP and handles +P. Love it!
I own both the LC carbine and ruger 5.7 pistol. love shooting the carbine. no recoil. easy to stay on target for follow up shots with awesome range for self defense. i love both weapons. i have an AR-9 so the PC wasnt of interest to me.
I just ordered a PC Carbine variant, stock stock without the excessive shroud. The LC is a much better looking firearm, but the ammo is relatively expensive. It would be nice if Ruger offerred LC variant in more affordable calibers, like 22mag and 9mm. If the LC had a 9mm version, I'd have bought it over the PC, simply because I can afford to shoot it. That's why I bought the PC Carbine, 223/5.56 is just getting too expensive to have fun with my AR15's at 50cents per round.+. 9mm is bad enough anymore. I bought a few 22 pistols, just so I can have fun shooting. lol
I have the classic PC9 carbine. Bare bone stock. Love how it shoots.. plus can shoot at indoor ranges.
Ruger should make the LC carbine in 9mm and accepting of Glock magazines just like their PC9 if they’d like to sell a heckuva lot more of them.
But then they wouldn’t sell any PC Carbines…
Keltec sub2000 4.25lbs. That's a backpacking weight carbine. Make the LC Carbine in 9mm I might be interested. This 5.7mm round is not one I am interested in.
Agreed!
5.7×28 will prnetrate body armor. When the SHTF I would want that round over the 9mm.
Of course I already own the Ruger PC takedown model with five 33 round glock mags an added a folding stock to the 1913 picitinny end
Maybe Ruger should apply all the design techniques that made the LC Carbine so lightweight on the next iteration of the PC carbine...
Ruger should now make the LC carbine in other calibers like 9mm etc etc!! Why couldn’t they have done this to begin with!!
LC takedown in 9mm as a kit with both a 8” and 16” threaded barrels. My dream PCC. Have the hand guard with pic rail that extended back over the receiver so I could keep a red-dot permanently on the 8” and a LPVO on the 16”.
5.7 is still $50 per 50 round box of FMJ range ammo where I live.
Guess which one I’m sticking with? Lol.
I do love my little Ruger PC9 though. I’ve got the exact same one that you feature in this video.
Thank you for the in-depth show and tell, great job.
Thanks for the content and to be educated at the same time.
Now if Ruger would bring back the Marlin camp rifle and make it in 10mm I'd be ecstatic!
I love the design of the LC Carbine. Straight Blowback aside, I would love to see versions on all pistol calibers.
10mm and 357Sig might benefit from some kind of gas system or delay system.
Excellent info , Thanks.
Definitely interested in LC Carbine but the ammo is expensive.
The LC Carbine is nice but 5.7 to expensive, if Ruger make the LC Carbine in 9mm using the security 9 grip I would buy that all day. I already have a PC Carbine, wish Ruger would sell the new chassis and rails alone for upgrading older versions.
Excellent Video!!! I had 2 Ruger PC Carbines. Why 2? Because I was dumb enough to buy another after selling the first one!!!! WAY TOO HEAVY for the Caliber!!! The Ruger PC carbine IS NOT LIGHTWEIGHT!!!! NOT AT ALL!!! Go with an AR style in 9mm if you really need a 9mm Carbine!! I speak from experience.
I have the 9mm Ruger carbine but I found Security 9 magazines in 32 round capacity ! I love mine with 147 gr HP's ! Very accurate with a light kick !
With the difference in pricing and availability of 5.7 VS 9MM I find it hard to justify the purchase of the LC Carbine verses the PC Carbine At this time there are very few 5.7 pistols on the market as opposed to the numerous 9MM pistols available. The PC Carbine uses Ruger Security 9 and SR9 17 round magazines AND the ability to use Glock magazines. I'll save the $$$ and stock up on 9MM ammo that I can use in both the PC Carbine and all my 9MM pistols!!!!
The LC Carbine is SEXY. Perfect backpack gun.
I like both of them
I love my PC carbine, and once i replaced the stock with the magpul stock i loved it even more.
Great snag Randy
I wonder if Ruger would consider making the LC carbine in other calibers, like 9mm, 40S&W and 10mm. The LC carbine form factor is quite nice for the PCC market.
That’s what the charger is for
At one point Ruger had the pc carbine in 40 s&w but stopped production for lack of interest
@@Tmthy_Dstn The PC Carbine/Charger is based on an outdated design, the same one the 10/22 and the .44 Deerstalker is based on. They're both "classic" wood and steel firearms. If Ruger wants to appeal to the contemporary market, they need to get with the modern times before all the FUDs die off. "Light, tactical, modular", is where they might want to focus their resources
@@Tmthy_Dstn The Charger is overwight and has the design of an overweight, bloated. "tacticooled" 10/22. It's outdated and can't compete with modern designs like the "AR-9", even when they're both direct blowback. Some of latest "AR-9" pattern pistols have locked breeches.
Before the LC1, Ruger wasn't really known for innovating. But LC1 changed that image. They took a modified Ruger 57 pistol frame and fire control group to make a fairly lightweight, tactical, modular carbine.
It's really too bad they couldn't go all the way and make the LC1 the gold standard or even just better. $1000+ MSRP for an almost 6 lb, direct-blowback carbine in the here and now is not a good value. It needs a locked breech, and at least a lb shaved off its weight. They can easily accomplish the latter by addressing the former.
Lol! I also own those carbines! 👍😉 I probably will get the new S&W FSC carbine when is available. Good video!!!
I have a PC carbine the same as the one you showed. I'd say the only bad thing about it is that it is heavy for what it is. I sold my PS90 so the LC looks like a good purchase down the road.
Confirmed, the PCC is a chunky boy. The receiver is built like a tank and that tungsten block in it doesn't help.
@@Salty_Balls The RUGER PC bolt has that heavy tungsten block to have enough weight for even +P+ ammo BUT it keeps the recoil path short due to the shorter bolt.
Loving the ruger PC
I bought my Ruger PC about a year ago. Imagine my disappointment when a 20 something educated this old man in round weight. Who would have guess that a 5.56 round would be lighter than a 9mm round. I don’t care. I still love
My PC.
So I purchased a PC model just yesterday as they were on sale at my local sporting goods store. My problem is my right arm is fused from an old dirt bike accident and I really prefer to shoot a long gun with a pistol grip style stock because of limited wrist movement in my right arm is there any option to put the folding stock or even thumb through stock on this rifle? Just found your video and it is one of the best I have seen and subscribed. Thank you for any input anyone may have.
Good video. I sold my PCC. Shot well but too heavy. Wife did not like the weight. The LC looks good and the weight is better but still long for a backpack. Big plus is my wife could shoot it. My main problem with it is ammo cost and availability is not even close to 9mm. Also147 grain 9mm suppresses very well. My pack carbine is the Keltec Sub2k at 4.25 lbs and folds to 16". That is 2-3 happy sticks lighter. Negative is LOP is too long for my wife.
I have a takedown pc carbine and I like it. It is a soft shooter. I think the heavy barrel and the heavy bolt makes it a soft shooter but adds the weight. Maybe lighten those two pieces and sell a PC carbine light version.
Get the PC9 with the pistol length barrel... now you are are talking light
I'd enthusiastically trade in my PC for the LC if the 5.7 ammo wasn't so obscenely expensive. I like to shoot my guns a lot without going bankrupt.
Thanks good video. A 5.7 carbine happens to be the single best weapon option for my situation. In a survival scenario, it can hunt small game, pierce level 3 soft armor without over penetrating the target, light weight, etc. I also like the range it offers in comparison to it's intended use. Like basically it's effective right up to the point where accuracy would require a long range optic anyway.
You think 5.7m ammo will be plentiful in "a survival scenario"?
Second, you will NOT get 5.7 civilian ammo to defeat Level 3. That's the armor peircing ammo only available to militaries and police, and even if you could source it, it's illegal to import to the USA.
If you need more range than a 9mm, consider .223 or .300 BLK.
@@1977TheHammer I unfortunately agree. It's hard to find ammo locally as is. I guess what I should have said was that "in theory" the 5.7 meets my needs best. 9mm ammo is absolutely everywhere so I tend to rely on it even when I could do better.
My PC is just like the bottom rifle with the Midwest mods.😎
"they might probably bring out a pistol version of the LC carbine with a brace" . I don't know why but I found it funny to make a pistol version of an already pistol version. I know what you meant but I just chuckled.
Why would they do that? That is what the Ruger 57 is for.... Redundant
I'd say the P.C. carbine, just by being chambered in 9mm. As most people carry 9mm. And having a rifle and carry pistol that hold the same magazine. Priceless.
The LC Carbine and Ruger 57 use the same mags and ammo? WTF.
@@danielwhite9205 ammo price and availability are a big factor.
@@jonathanwhitehead7253 Yes I know. I was responding to the OP as he said the upside to a PC Carbine was interchangeable mags/same ammo. You get the same thing with the 57 pistol if you go with Ruger 57 and LC Carbine. I know ammo is expensive.
What I always hated about my pc9 was it was too muzzle heavy. Fortunately I have the original configuration and installed the Magpul stock kit. Now much lighter in the front.
Which of the two did you find heavy?
@@mnrodriguez I think all the Ruger carbine variants are heavier than they need to be. You may end up having to hold a bad guy at gunpoint until police arrive and that can take over a half hour. A lighter weight carbine would make the job easier.
Thanks for the great overview/comparison. I also own PC Carbine. Five things this new 5.7 (nato round) carbine brings that I've seen PCC owners beef about for years: (1&2) much lighter yet still packable with folding stock (3) hopefully silences the vocal 10mm crowd (4) 5.7 penetrates L3 armor and increases terminal range +100 yrds over 9mm (5) adds a few more rounds in a G7 size mag. And from a business perspective it doesn't directly cannibalize their 9mm firearm sales. Smaht, very smaht. I'm envious of the weight for sure.
The 5.7 carbine is still way too heavy for its class/competition. It should be closer to 3lbs.
@@jackjohnson291 what ones are in its class that weight 3 pounds?
@@jackjohnson291 Unfounded. The LC Carbine is not heavy compared to other 16inch rifles. In fact its a good deal lighter then most small caliber carbines. It's obviously lighter by over 2lbs than the "awesome" PC carbine lol. Not sure why people think 9mm out of a carbine is a battle caliber. This sounds like another 9mm troll.
I doubt you'll ever find 5.7 ammo on the shelf that is armor piercing. They use specialty ammo to get the armor piercing effects
@@jackjohnson291 Dude not sure what you are talking about. The LC is mad light.
I probably shouldn’t be asking this 10 seconds in, but im dying to know lol. ARE all the carbines customization do you know? I have the PC had havent shot it much, i would like to get a new stock and a rail like you have been im lost :(
Great review. That LC trigger is hot garbage. I hope they fix that in the future.
Besides 9mm hitting harder, and costing HALF as much or even less than the 5.7mm... the PCC can carry 30 rounds or even drum magazines because of the Glock adapter! 20 rounds of dainty 5.7 simply comes up WAYYYYY short of the 50 rounds in the KelTec P50, or the FN P90.
Hard pass on the LC.
Tempting to pick up a PCC though... especially with all the aftermarket support for aluminum chassis, binary triggers, and standard AR grips/handguards.
Why not use the same trigger mechanism? I guess it is impossible to combine all good features in the same gun.
The ability to use glock magazine and affordability of 9mm ammo the PC carbine. If magazine were less expensive and ammo easier to get for then maybe the lc I really like the more compact and lighter rifle.
Bingo. I agree.
If you could get 5.7 for $.40 per round both the 57 pistol and this carbine would be somewhat attractive. At about .70 I’ll stick with a .556 or a 9mm carbine. The LC carbine seems like an interesting design with very little practical advantage.
@@keithv3767 Yeah the price is rough. Then again..., you don't go out and buy a weapon chambered for 5.7 thinking its not an expensive wep system. If you buy a gun chambered in 5.7 you are gonna know how much the round costs. That being said the price of ammunition for the 57 IS coming down and will be for awhile until it plateaus in the 40cents a round area. New manufacturing plants going up in the US via Fiocchi. Other smaller outfitters also have permission to produce FN's rounds, just on a smaller scale.
If the LC carbine came in 9mm I might buy it.. I really like it and think it's a super cool gun.. it would be a good gun to teach people how to shoot with while packing more punch than a 22 but having about the same recoil
Pc carbine 40 cal is awesome little gun little heavy but still I think it could be used in just about any situation besides long range anything 100 and in should be good .
In one of the ban states, the PC Carbine wins by default... unfortunately
No such thing. Not in my mind. Free yourself Neo.
I hope they chamber the new lc carbine in 9mm
Would have bought a PC Cabine had I not already owned a CZ Scorpion.
Great video!!
As 5.7 becomes more popular(thus cheaper) this will be a better buy
Each of these have features I like and don't like. I think I'll just stick with my trusty Marlin Camp 9.
Hell ya, those are rad.
I could kick myself, I stumbled over a marlin camp at a gun show years ago and didn't get it. They are really cool.
marlins are cool. apparently the pcc is like a modern version
@@SpaceMissile The Marlin Camp 9 for all practical purposes is a PCC, except it has all wooden furniture without all the "scary" features of the black rifles the gun control people are afraid of. It was way ahead of its time, it came with a 12 round magazine, but it also accepts S&W pistol magazines, I can't recall what model number, but it came with a bunch of them when I bought it used. It's an absolute joy to shoot.
Those are kind of campy.
Weekly used guns?
Ruger PC 9mm all day long ! Accuracy 'reliability ' COMPATIBILITY 'with glock mags-
Stop. The PC9 weighs 7.53 # ... that is light? Add a Glock 33 rd mag, bolt on a decent sight, perhaps a flashlight and you are well over 8#. No big deal at the bench, but ... not friendly going over hill and dale. Now, as a truck gun... 🙂
Hmmm I just built a fixed stock AR using polymer lower under 6lbs WITH a red dot sight. Rugers need to lose some weight if they are going to be a backpack gun!
I hope Ruger gets smart and creates a lightweight bullpup version of the LC carbine like Kel Tec RDB-C.... now *that* would be special.
While I agree, I'm sure the known fudd history of Ruger wouldn't allow it to happen. It's a wonder they allow 15 and 20 round mags.
Lol. Fuckin dick head. I love it. Richard ....
@@joshuagibson2520 if they want a 5.7 then that's the only available mags. The FN pattern that are made by (i believe) mecgar and magpull
That would be cool I just wish the Ammo was not so expensive.
Love that PC Carbine for sure.
really wish the made the lc carbine a takedown model wouldve been wayyyyyy better
LC Charger when?
Hm, I think the PC wins because of ammo price/availability and criminals not wearing body armor i presume.
I miss the ol Ruger camp carbine. I believe it was avail in both 9mm and .45. Has wood furniture. I believe they were very low capacity though. The 45 used 1911 mags if I remember correctly.
That was a Marlin Camp Carbine
Like the WASH Guy said It was Marlin. The mags for the 9mm were the same as the S&W 59 series pistol mags and the .45cal were indeed 1911 mags but 15 round capacity are available.
Oh yeah. It sure was. Thanks fellas.
I believe Ruger made a .44 magnum in a carbine that looked nearly identical to the wood stocked 10/22. Correct me if I'm wrong.
@@tubeonline629 They did. And it was bad-ass.
I regret my PC Carbine purchase a lot.
It's heavy, kinda ugly, the take down mechanism is useless and stupid, I could never get a red dot shooting accurately even after tightening everything down properly.
worse yet? I've had no luck trying to sell it. seems everyone's realized this thing is weird
Lesson learned, though!
❤😊
I’ll take my two PC Carbines (9mm & .40) over the LC Carbine any day! The problem with the LC carbine is the stupid caliber of 5.7. It’s more expensive than 5.56 specialty ammo. Plus, it’s not a very good round for anything. I’m still hoping Ruger makes a 10mm PC carbine that takes Glock magazines. That gun would sell like hotcakes.
Look up the Fort Hood incident then tell us it’s not good for anything. Expensive I do agree.
@@paconone Oh sure it will kill. So will a sling shot wrist rocket with a ball bearing to the head. My point was that round with its cost is ridiculously irrelevant. I’d rather have a .22LR, 9mm, 380 or .22 magnum with ammo that costs 75% less than 5.7. That’s why it’s good for nuth’n. But hey buddy if you like it, I love it! The more people that buy that 5.7 round, the more those also might forgo the 9mm ammo on the shelves and leave more for people like me. 😎
@@colt10mmsecurity68 it is highly effective again research the Fort Hood incident I think cost of ammo went by the wayside on that one. That insane fellar wanted the targets dead not leaking from 9mm, 380,22LR. Not glorifying that tragedy just saying the pistol is very vicious light weight high capacity beast. If you know you know. Holler back money ain’t a thing!
@@paconone My 9mm is just as effective and 75% cheaper in operating costs. When I put two in the heart and one in the zombie’s head, is caliber really gonna matter then? Again, the 5.7 is a caliber solution to a problem that never existed. I’d rather have an AR pistol. 5.7 is a complete waste and a fad caliber.
@@colt10mmsecurity68 again vicious ass caliber money ain’t a thing. God bless this “fad”
Pc carbine looks like a good home defense weapon if u add a light
The LC Carbine doesn't? What makes the PCC better?
@@danielwhite9205 price of ammo , over penetration
Can't use price when it comes to defense use. You don't need more than 20 rounds. Practicing? Use reloads. Over penetration? No such thing with the 5.7 round. It tumbles. Have you not seen 1 gel test on youtube? There are like 30 of em on youtube. The LC pens about 12-16inch in gel. Same as most 9mm. That being said it also pens armor where 9mm can't do at all.
@@danielwhite9205 OK, first of all, saying you can’t put a price on defense is only half correct. Most people simply cannot afford to spend nearly a dollar around. Second of all, I would love to get into reloading but simply don’t have the space or the knowledge. Also, I don’t remember the RUclips video but there’s been a couple tests where it failed to penetrate armor. A lot of the people that do these tests do it at 20 feet. Granted for a self-defense situation that would be the range but I rest my case. Lastly, practice is important, and when it’s so expensive you just don’t wanna shoot it that much
@@danielwhite9205 also liberty defense 9 mm will Pen 3a
Have Ruger's 9mm PCC. Love it, but it's front heavy. Wishing Ruger came out with a light competition model.
- Shorter, lighter MLOK rail.
- 14.5" barrel with a pinned comp (like JP-5) to make it legal 16".
- If it saves more than 3 ounces a non-take down version with fixed barrel
The PC Carbine needs to weigh no more than an M1 Carbine, which is more powerful. Not much progress in the last 80 years.
I seen to recall a company even made M1 carbines in a 5.7mm round too!
What? The PC carbine is not lightweight.
LC Carbine in 30 Super 🤔
I wish they'd do a new PCC that wasn't so...ugly. I've had mine since they came out, it shoots great, but it looks Fuddy AF. I'm not sure the takedown is a feature worth keeping in the future. It sacrificed a lot I feel for that. If I want a compact 9mm rifle, I think the Keltec is a better choice for convenience.
5.7 isn't exactly what I would call a large caliber lol.
Her should have said more expensive....
IMO they screwed up when they dropped the take-down feature. A 16 in barrel seems like overkill but it was probably to side step NFA/ATF BS. That length adds to the decidedly odd looks of this - just too much rail and the absence of a magwell just seems off... IMO they should have offered this in a 11 or 12 inch barrel, which is where the lack of take-down sucks because it would have give consumers more choices in aftermarket customization. A12 inch model with a folding stock or brace would have been far more packable. Second the 5.7 round is definitely in need of help. Rumor is that stateside production will eventually help availability issues but the cost and energy on target is still an issue. Despite claims of 3A body armor penetration that is a function of round selection not of the caliber. Only certain rounds will penetrate 3A body armor as armor piercing 9mm variants will - but those rounds are illegal in allmost every state due to the 'cop killer' reputation. AFAIK the 5.7 still tops out at a projectile weight of 40 grains which is inadequate as a defense round when not fired from a full auto or select-fire weapon as FN designed it to be used in a PDW role.
This whole thing appears to be more about Ruger safeguarding their investment into 5.7 and trying to push a special-purpose round into the mainstream. IMO a .30 carry magnum or 9mm magnum PCC would make more sense and 9mm magnum could possibly take the place of the 9mm Major wildcat round used in IPSEC competition shooting.
If they could just put that 5.7 on a diet program, and I mean a serious one, I’d be all over it for a pack gun. Then making it shorter as well would be even better.
Not how it works with the 57 round. Reason why the carbine is 16inch in length is because the sweet spot for FPS/pen is at that length. Shortening it even a little will drastically reduce pen performance. If that doesn't matter to you great.
If the barrel was shorter than 16 inches it wouldn't be a carbine, it would be a pistol.
@@danielwhite9205 the 5.7 round was designed for the fn p90 which has a 10.4 inch barrel. It doesn't really gain much in speed beyond that barrel length. The 16 inch barrel is for regulation purposes.
I have a PC Carbine. I wish it was more like the LC carbine with the mag in the grip and the shorter length. It's okay I guess, but it's a big fat hog compared to the LC
The LC carbine will go threw non plated body armor.
Only in the LEO and military loads. The civilian ammo market it is a weak and unimpressive round. I'll take the best 9mm ammo over 5.7 any day. Better yet a 5.56 carbine beats both.
@@panzerabwerkanone take a hit by one & see if it comes out the other side
@@psycobone1 Stupid argument. If I'm going to have to defeat body armor, I'm doing it with a RIFLE round rather than a pistol round in the same size firearm
Oooof. That LC trigger looks to be garbage.
yeah the creep is way too much, horrible reset and a lawyer trigger weight! = Ruger.
Now illegal.
The 5.7 was suppose to replace the 9 mm in certain situations. It does a number of things better than the 9 mm does. However the PC carbine is a better designed carbine. The LC carbine has poor safety and magazine placement. It has no forward assist and comes with only one 10 round magazine. It’s just not well designed for anything other than plinking and cool looking factor. And that’s a shame because it wouldn’t be difficult to make this a reliable and properly designed for home defense or hunting.
Ruger 5.7 trigger sucks and in the pistol it has plastic slide guard rail. Shame on you Ruger.
The M-Carbo keltech sub2000 is to me in the top 5 of reliable and best 9mm carbines on the market. Not the cheap keltech sub2000 make like tuffer wear with all thr plastic