I wonder if it's worth pretty much sticking with batocera since I believe it's possible to get PC game runnings on it through proton, even if it isn't as straight forward as steamOS
I know the Deck is definitely under priced, but being $400 makes this a hard sell. I know they have to make a profit, but the Deck really disrupted the market. Great video!
@@gehtdinichtsan309 Pre-order != buy. But yea I'm over the Steam Deck after the delays. I'm tired of pre-ordering and waiting a year or so for a device. This one is available now without pre-ordering. I can order it today and it'll arrive in a couple weeks from China.
Dude, your videos get more and more impressive as you go. The breakdown at the end of this compared to the upcoming devices is exactly what I needed. You're truly a wizard at your craft. Appreciate the amazing content.
Great coverage on Batocera. Really impressed by how well it did with higher-end emulation (even 3DS and WiiU), but you're right, AYA Neo Air Plus will be a much better deal. A year ago, this would have been a done deal.
The only thing that really stands out about this device is the USB A port; otherwise it's utterly unimpressive IMO. It feels like the only lesson Anbernic learned was "dpad on top= premium" from the RG 350 days, and they've been committed to that ever since, ignoring most ergonomic improvements.
I appreciate this thoughtful review! I'm honestly a little annoyed that the market keeps getting saturated with devices that are this odd overpriced middle ground. It makes it really hard for people new to emulation devices like me, to feel confident in choosing. If I didn't know about your channel I'd be screwed trying to figure it out on my own! It'd be so much easier if the market was easily divisible by budget models, mid-grade models, premium models. I see some comments saying steam deck was underpriced which I actually didn't know, so I can see how that disrupted the market, but aside from that anomaly I think most would agree there's just far too many devices to choose from that often lack essential parts for performance, etc. Just some random two cents. 😅
I think that there are less of these devices! More competion means there will be more value for money. Before there was only gpd and aya which used to sell this over 1200$. Now even with top of the line specs the loki max with 6800u costs only800$. There is more confusion in the pc space
@@shlokshah5379 I guess for someone in my position who grew up gaming on consoles (we had pcs too but weren't super into PC gaming til I got older) it seems like a lot and like it's pretty confusing and convoluted to distinguish between them. It also doesn't make sense to me to compare this to the PC market, this is clearly trying to compete with handheld gaming devices and makes more sense to me to compare it to handheld consoles. PCs have a million different uses outside of gaming which is why it can be so confusing and hard to choose.
Yes but it's a few $100 more. If this can perform x86 retro gaming into the early 00's I think plenty of people would be happy with that plus console emulation. This would be the first affordable x86 retro gaming option, the question is whether it's worth buying this over a $400 laptop depending on the sorts of games you wanna run, and whether the Windows power creep is gonna be so bad that this thing is underpowered in a year as Windows continues to eat up resources. Even less of an issue with SteamOS and Linux support. It's like comparing the Ayn Odin to the Retroid Pocket - definitely different units for different users.
@@Lilacs4 honestly I don’t know what you ended up buying but getting the base steamdeck for $400 plus tax and then 500 Gb as for more games is the perfect expierience besides making a 400 dollar pc for steam os and then getting a retro controller
Thank you thank you thank you for the comparisons. That last few minutes were so helpful. Still going to wait for my Steam Deck and my Loki. However the air looks very tempting. As always, an amazing video!
I love my Odin but was leaning Air Plus for the 1215U, I had no idea AYN added the 1215u as an option till this video, placed my order for Loki right away!
Perhaps if it had a bigger battery life, and was $250~$300 I might've thought about it, especially since we don't know if AYN and Ayaneo will deliver, but with what we're given, it's a hard sell. I can see myself using one if I had one, but I wouldn't buy one.
This batocera demo was really helpful. If I were choosing today between Odin and Win600, I would choose the latter. The fact that I already own an Odin makes it a bit tougher choice. Kinda curious if battery life is still two hours for emulation gamecube and older. Also wish I knew if the weaker model was still good for those consoles. Oh well, time to think.
A lot of people rag on the Win600 but in reality it's not a totally bad handheld. I bought the lower spec one and just use it for light steam gaming with older titles. The good thing about this handheld, is the comfort factor in which it doesn't feel like you're holding a mini skateboard (still love the steam deck though). Also instead of you trying to go through hoops to install windows, It's already included on the handheld. I have it, while not better than the steam deck, I still like it. It feels great to play xbox gamepass and ps plus premium on it.
How is the screen compared to the steam deck? I enjoyed the deck but omg the ghosting on the screen and the washed colours made it unusable for me so i just sold it off.
That’s an expensive device comparing it to a steamdeck which is further developed and finetuned. The steamdeck also has a lot of options for emulation or running windows. Still I’m glad to see there are still new devices being added to the list!
The catch there is that the Steamdeck isn't available worldwide, so it's not even an option for a lot of people. Kind of seems like Anbernic is aware of this and thinks they can get away with charging more for a weak system because there aren't many other choices for people outside the US.
@@Mars0War well I think the biggest thing is that ambernic just can't afford to loose money on their umpc unlike valve which is why the deck will always have a higher price to power ratio unless they do some serious production magic
For a long time I thought that Anbernic had hit rock bottom with the RG552 due to the bad and unthought-out ergonomics of the handheld (shoulder buttons). But with the Win600, Anbernic has managed to repeat the SAME mistake with the bad ergonomics (using the stick and operating the shoulder buttons at the same time) and as if that wasn't bad enough, in my opinion Anbernic also demands a much too high and very cheeky one Price for the service offered. It almost seems to me as if Anbernic is trying to compensate for their previously unachieved sales and profit targets with each additional product through an even poorer price-performance ratio. And that WITHOUT even paying attention to the most important point of all: THE BUYER 🤷♂️ That the buyer really has a good feeling with the handheld in the end and that especially in relation to a reasonable and fair price. Anbernic has achieved this goal with the RG351 series. Now Anbernic only draws attention to embarrassing actions against Taki Undo. This is a very weak signal from Anbernic. Thanks for the effort 👍
Where do you think we are heading towards? First we had the opendingux era were all OEMs were tweaking their devices and searching their main goal. Then we had the "RK3326" where OEMs were just working with what they had, so they tried to compete just with price and ergonomics. We had some devices where this wasn't the norm, so they became kinda trend setters, like the OG RP2 and TrimUI or the V90, so OEMs were still trying to do something different. Then we had the Android era (sweet but short), with some Android devices like the RP2+ and Odin, but then users faced the fact that this hobby wasn't just pick up and play and you needed to set up everything first. But the Steam deck was announced and now we are into the Windows era, where we still need some know-how to set up everything and most likely what you learned previously will fall short because you will need to know more. OEMs are most likely going to battle with price, but CPUs are not cheap so they will try to cut corners again, like what happened with the RAM on this case. So some are going to battle with specs, but we will have so many options on a niche, when that happens usually some not going to be able to keep up they will try to find their base again, so I expect that some experimentation will happen. But the companies that know what to release to attack one specific user base will probably endure, the same that go only for price (like powkiddy). So, what do you think will happen? What will happen after the Windows era? I'd love to hear your thoughts. We will see products that will aim to go outside the niche?
I'm hoping we get a wave of RK3588 devices, because that chip is quite amazing compared to all other Rockchips. I do hope we continue to get devices that ship with a lightweight Linux like Batocera or EmuElec. Not everything needs a full Windows or Android OS. Having one just increases the RAM requirements really significantly. I actually hope Windows handhelds are a niche within a niche, and don't become dominant in this space. I feel the same about SteamOS actually. We don't need Microsoft or Valve controlling the OS that's used for open handhelds IMO.
the next wave is definitely handheld pcs considering all the really powerful SoCs coming out soon. We just need more major players to get into it like razer / msi so we wouldn't have to rely so much on the Chinese market.
I'd just be happy with another anberelec os device powerful enough to run up to switch. I don't really need to play any windows games. I prefer using my PC for that... and I just hate using a mouse with a gamepad. I mean, it's a personal opinion of course, but I think even Valve understands that their OS's interface has to be friendly and user-ready or dummies-proof. I just don't understand Android devices having to set everything up, and not to mention using the mouse with an analog because the lack of touch screens for example. So the future for me ideally would be something like batoceta, anberelec, retrobat... (emulation station interface) with mixed content like SteamOS, the ability to check retroachievements, screenshots and even online servers to join friends on good retro games within the interface without diving into RA. 👍
I kind of want one, looks awesome. And the price sucks BUT that price might be the one thing that'll keep it in stock, unlike the Deck and Odyn and every other better spec handheld that you just can't buy right now.
Reality check, guys: I ordered Ayn Odin back in January and Steam Deck a full YEAR AGO and still haven’t received either! However, I WAS able to get one of these within 10 days of ordering. There’s nothing wrong with buying a device that is attainable from a manufacturer that knows what it’s doing to keep its supply chain operating efficiently! If I EVER get my Steam Deck I’ll just re-sell the Win600 on eBay and probably make a bit of a profit. This strategy has worked very well for me in the past.
I think this is the realistic application of the win600: a stopgap. Play around with it while waiting for a more powerful device, then sell it afterward. It's just simply not worth the price tag as a main device.
It's a little big - passed on the 552 for the same reason - but the main reason I'm not ordering one right now is that analog stick placement. IMO the main purpose of this thing isn't the early-system emulation, there are lighter and cheaper devices for that, but the Steam gaming. That means using the analog sticks a lot. The placement/ergonomics of those are a make-or-break factor for an x86 handheld. It's important to recognize that battery life on a x86 handheld is always going to be a trade-off against size and performance. I'd rather have a smaller device, and that means I'd have to use it plugged in a lot. That's just the fact of x86, none of the other devices are going to be any better without also being much thicker and heavier. That's not Anbernic's fault, that's just how it is.
Really balanced and detailed review Russ! I’m sort of tempted to try out the 3020 for $299 since my use case is as an upgrade to my RG503 for emulation plus low end PC Gamepass and PC indie games that have been a pain to get working on my steam deck. The battery life and analog stick placements are the biggest hurdles for me aside from the price. But as you said, having something that will ship soon is a major plus. Guess I’ll sleep on it till July 5th!
Man, I really love your channel. Your production quality and commitment to detail is so good. Even though I know I'm not in the market for this $400 device I still find these videos really interesting. Keep it up dude!
I like the form factor of this more than the Steam Deck, and I get that this device is going to be more easily obtained by a number of people, but still, I agree with you in being surprised it'd be priced where it's at. If this were 350, even, that'd make this a lot more intriguing as an option, but yeah, I think I'll need to pass on this for the time being. I do still hope it does well, though, competition is good.
In the future, I hope you can include some Retro PC Games in your tests! As a 90s and 00s PC games player, I think especially with this kind of device (I pre-ordered an AYN Loki Mini Pro) I'm most excited to jump into games like the Jedi Knight Series, Liero, Soldat, C-Dogs, Worms Armageddon and Deus Ex!
I want to get this myself but still on the wall about it, I enjoy mobile gaming more then console or sitting at my PC but spending over $1000 for any of the other two I am on the fence about (Steam Deck, AyaNeo) & would love this to be as best as it can be until I decide to fork out a weeks pay on the others. I like that you took it apart & did a thorough review deep diving into it all! The insides are the most important to myself I have never seen an SSD so small! Awesome review!
Thanks Russ, placed an order for myself. I live in a region that does not have Steam Deck availability yet. Intending to use this as an immediately purchasable first step towards the world of PC handhelds. Expect to replace this down the road with an AYN or the elusive Steam Deck, so I'll enjoy what I can get my hands on for now. For those comparing prices, a 64GB variant Deck in my local grey/reseller market goes up to 5 times the cost of a win600. (Yes, I can get scalped for 1800usd thereabouts if I wanted to.)
Price sucks but I'm sure there will be discounts later on. The real deal breaker for me is the lack of an SD card slot. What other devices reviewed in the past 2 years doesn't read SD cards? Crazy.
Buddy boy the steam deck and the rog ally dont have an sd card slot either so what did you not see how easily you can change the storage on the win600 😂😂
We're really going to have to stop comparing these prices to the deck unless they can start getting them to people within a year of ordering. It's kind of like chasing a unicorn at this point.
Lol, there's no stopping all the steam deck fanboys. They keep bringing up the $400 price tag for a 64GB system and assume you can install lots of games on it. Adding a branded 1GB microSD or M.2 card will bring the price to beyond $500++ which they failed to mention. Plus imho the steam deck is way too big to be considered a handheld with the length at almost 30cm long.
@@acejon2162 Yeah, it seems so. There's no way I would buy a win 600 at this kind of price, either, but at least nobody is lying about it. The deck is just too big to be worth it for most emulation, because you can do it on something at least half the size, like an Ayn Odin
Even some of its flaws and the somewhat higher price tag I ordered one because something that is rarely mentioned is the availability of these handhelds. The Ayn Odin is better in every way - except if you missed out on the (at the time, sketchy looking) crowed funding campaign you are waiting months and months for your order to ship. If you are like me and have a Steamdeck reservation in Q3 it might as well just wait for for my Steamdeck. All of the other options are either sold out or sells out almost instantly even if you try and get them ASAP. The options that are actually in stock are extremely expensive super high end handhelds. To give you an idea of how hard it is to get these things - tried to get an Ayn Odin second hand they easily get to $800-$1000 on the second hand markets if you find them. It is insane. The reason it is priced like it is, is because it has a decent form factor, decent specs, you can buy it with it shipping NOW, and it is under $500. I wanted something to hold me over until I got my Steamdeck and this was the only option I could get now without breaking the bank.
The sale went live and I ordered mine. look forward to seeing it soon. Like I commented before, plan to play mostly indies when I don't feel like sitting at my PC to play games. I even wonder a bit on how well streaming higher end games from my PC will run.
@@QmOt89 unfortunate that steam deck isn't available. I just don't like the large of a device. I do traveling for photography and staying at locations, something with my games on it that a bit slimmer would be nice. Yeah price isn't great, but I can buy it and maybe play it soon. Also I order that high end steam deck and started to regret it later on.
If you didn't want to pay $400 for the 50e then you could of got the 300 dollar one if you really want one. Or just get a steam deck that is actually justified paying over a couple hundred bucks.
For me, it's a $200 device that I pay $400 for, up front, and then get $200 back when an upgrade comes along and I sell the Win600 second hand. And for $200, it's totally worth it to have a new toy to tinker with now! And sure, in theory AYN and AYA have better devices coming out in about 6 months. But then how long will the back orders be? How long until you actually get that device in your hands? Another 3 or 4 months? If you're lucky.
The moment i found out the price I know Anbernic screwed it up (again). I was expecting pricing ranging from USD250~300 depends on the configuration, not hitting USD400 for the higher end. Obviously Steam Deck is a better pick at that price range.
To say that I rabbit holed this channel since around... Christmas or so, and am now putting ArkOS on my recently obtained RG351P, this is where it ends up. A steam deck alternative and emulation into the harder stuff. Thanks again for all the videos, much appreciated.
Thats what I was thinking when I saw that. Ive never seen 1920x720 so it made me go "huh! " lol So yeah, pretty sure this device is not 1920x1080 (without looking it up) its 1280x720 making it a 720P screen. 😊
can the cpu be over clocked? I fully purchased a Loki max but. It's hard to wait for it but. now watching your video I'm backing out getting this win600 I'm not impressed. I'm just going to keep waiting for my Loki max.
I know this video is older now but did you make the ram on the win600 3200mhz? Or is it still 1333 with a 3200? I dont get the option to make it 3200. Max is 2100
I tried to order the 3050e version and it just won’t allow me to. Also, is the analog stick placement that bad? I would want to play some FPS on this. If it’s that uncomfortable, it may be a deal breaker.
Hey Russ, which do you think is the best value for bucks handheld for game streaming? I'm using my phone with the gamesir x2 atm and it's good, but controls are not great, it's cumbersone and I don't like the loong screen. Any suggestions? Thanks
Thanks for the video Russ. I'm currently setting up my Odin Pro with LaunchBox on a 1TB SD, so I'm now wondering, if solely for emulation, would you rather get an Odin Pro or a Win600? And which one is generally faster, more powerful?
Again, can someone help me? In terms of ergonomics, which handheld would you choose to play fighting games like street fighter/mortal kombat which useses a lot of L/R buttons and shooters/adventures which also uses a lot of L/R buttons in combination with analog sticks. Which one feels the most natural/comfortable: Powerkiddy RGB10 Max 2 or Anbernic RG353 or Anbernic Win600?
Thank you for showing Grim Dawn. It's one of my favorite games (played nearly 500h). I hope you test other devices with this game in future, too. I'm in the 11th minute and will continue watching right now 😁
Thanks so much for the video!! The price is high indeed, but again like you said - it's available now with all its flaws unlike the other comparison devices you have mentioned in the video with so many unknown. Considering its price & use case, i might just buy the lower priced 3020e. That should satisfy me until SteamDeck is available here in Australia. Thanks again for the video!! So so so helpful!!! 🙏
Trying to find a console that will allow me to play certain retro games. Which version of Anbernic would be the best to purchase for the games listed below?: • Mortal Kombat games 1-4 • Street Fighter games 1-3 • Power Stone 1 & 2 • Dark Cloud • Sonic the Hedgehog 1-3 • Mace: The Dark Age • Super Mario Bros 1-3, and Super Mario World • Wario Land 1-4 • Bomberman 64 • Super Mario 64 • Diddy Kong Racing
will you be exploring adding steam (and windows games in general) to batocera (for x86/x64 devices) in future? Wonder how practical it will be or will it just be too many frustration/drawbacks with peformance/compatibility.
How do you feel about the price of this these days? Locally a steam deck, even the low end version costs 550$ local currency whereas I can still find this one on AliExpress for about 400$ local currency. I'm curious if nabbing this if it's so far under the steam deck's price makes sense.
I told you all there was no way it would start at less than $299. That is nit the Anbernic way. They are flexing with the strong supply chain and rabid core fanbase. They now it will sell enough right away as nothing else is available worldwide at that price range. All other handhelds are two to three months away for general availability.
Hmm. Just noticed these Loki upgrades. I preordered the Intel Loki Pro. I mainly want to just emulate up to PS2 (probably at 2x resolution). Are the upgrades necessary for that? The upgrades bump up the price by $110 which is quite a bit. Edit: After a little digging around like the upgrades will probably be worth it in general.
I dont blame you. I was looking at the Loki Zero but who knows when any of them will be actually available. Id guess by mid next year latest. But again, who knows. So Im looking at the cheaper 3020e model. Plenty of power for my needs (emulation with Batocera). Yeah the left stick isnt the best position and theres no micro sd cart slot and battery life isnt great (seems true with any X86 handheld though). But hey, at least you can buy them now.
Awesome coverage on this device!~ I also put in an order for the Loki Zero, since that dual channel RAM is going to be massive here and the price point is 10x more attractive. Waiting's gonna suck though... Also, I just wanna comment on one thing - that Intel chip (1215U) is NOT going to be as good for gaming as you might think. The UHD graphics aren't all that capable and with these devices we are definitely running into a GPU bottleneck instead of a CPU one, so you won't see much of a practical performance gain. There are videos on YT that demonstrate that a Vega 3 APU (like the 3050e) is pretty much on-par with a 12th gen Intel chip at way higher TDP levels. Windows handhelds using Intel chips will turn out to be a trap, lemme tell ya~ The upcoming AMD Mendocino architecture on the other hand... If it's not much more expensive, it should give a nice little performance boost, especially with that LPDDR5-6400 RAM and RDNA2 GPU. Shouldn't cost more than 300$ though, because we're getting too close to the Steam Deck otherwise.
Great video, it sold me to order on day one & 6 days later had it in my hands in the UK. Interested in upping the ram to a 3200mhz. Would going 16gb be worth considering vs the 8gb? Love all your videos I'm a big fan in your honesty & deep dives into what these devices can achieve.
Does it come with games pre-installed or do I need to install them myself? Sorry for asking lol. Just trying to buy my first handheld and don't know what to get so found my way to your channel. So am asking because I am a complete beginner to this!
It comes with windows 10 installed. Just like if you would buy a windows PC, thats it. You would have to set up and add everything yourself. I suggest check RetroGameCorps older videos for smaller handhelds that some come with pre installed games, if thats what you are after. Also depends on what systems you want to play/emulate.
That would be considered a RAM overclock not adjusting the timings. Tightening the timings themselves could result in better performance though. A slower ram with tighter latency can result in much better results generally as long as the ram frequency isn't drastically lower. Of course, the "die" on the RAM itself can vary stick to stick even in the same kit so adjusting the timings isn't generally advised unless you know how good the kit is or what they can be run at. Thaiphoon Burner is a great tool to figure out what die the memory has and can be used with the Ryzen DRAM Calculator to learn how to tighten the timings.
yeah. i cringed when he said he would "adjust the timings" and then proceeded to simply raise the frequency while leaving all the actual timings on automatic
I'm impressed! Sure, it is kinda expensive for the performance, but it is affordable and it is shipping worldwide right now. That alone is worth celebrating. Let's hope Anbernic's attitude can push other companies into action to supply the world with handheld gaming PCs.
Hi, I really appreciate how in depth you take your reviews. I have a question regarding the Windows 10 part of the device. How well does it work with streaming videos like RUclips or Netflix? I ask because I have grown accustomed to watching videos with playback sped up to >2x speed now through add-ons available on the firefox browser. This is all fine for the desktop experience. However, I have been trying to get this feature to work on Android and surprisingly there is not anything like it that supports >2x speed unless I download the video, and play it sped up on VLC player. Would it be possible to enable add-ons like "video speed controller" or "global speed" on the firefox browser through Windows 10 and play videos with decent quality at say like 3.8x speed on this device?
@@Dracossaint Yeah it really is specific. I spent a lot of time looking for a way to play videos like this through streaming and there really is nothing like it at the moment.
Realmente que interesante la review, tan completa que colocó como ajustar la frecuencia de la RAM en la BIOS. No conocía los futuros lanzamiento de esas consolas Loki o AyaNeo pero como dijo al final, todo estos futuros lanzamientos están en papel y nisiquiera hay prototipos así que de momento hay que aguantarse. Gracias por el video, resultó muy útil
Hey, let me ask you a question... I'm interested in getting a Handheld PC (does not need tô be the win600), but I also want to use It as my main PC, pluging in a Monitor with Mouse & Keyboard... Do you know if there is any problem on using It pluged into the charger for using It for multiple hours? Like, using for work or whatever.
It'll work just find plugged in most of the time, I would think of it like a laptop in a different form factor. Many people leave laptops plugged in for extended periods; worst case scenario it might affect battery life slightly over the long-term.
@@RetroGameCorps that may bê problematic... But ok... Also... Do you know If Power Banks work well with this kind of device? I was also thinking about getting a 20.000mah Power Banks to use with It If i run out of battery outside of my home
Dear Anbernic, I don't know whether you take suggestions from your fans or not. But here it is. I have a suggestion that can also be a solution to the short battery life situation with your Win600. Give us a new, larger battery that's twice or triple the size of the original battery. Along with a new modified console backing that accommodates the size of the larger battery. This will make the console a little thicker than normal of course, but we will accept the compromise to get improved battery life. It's the same scenario used for cell phones when upgrading to an extended life third party battery that's too large for the original shell. And yes, I am a true Anbernic fan. I've purchased many of your handhelds including your Win600 which I purchased a few days ago. So, I want Anbernic to thrive, do well and at it's best in the gaming industry!
In terms of SteamOS support, I do think that they are currently collaborating with Valve, but I don't think that the SteamOS version that they provide right now is a result of that collaboration. To me, the SteamOS support seems half baked for this device, almost as if they just used the Holo ISO.
Soo I have this hand held and mine over heats like fast and also I’ve tried to download a game from steam and it keeps crashing why is that ? Would you know ?
Very good video nice review , I was thinking on buying the device, but I’ve recently bought the rg552, about 2 months ago and been having a problem not charging and have orange light blinking , tried to get in touch with ambernic and no luck , by any chance you know what to do ? I had the same problem with my PS Vita but there’s a combination key to fix that, . Thank you in advance
For me it's down to the i3 Aya Neo Air Plus and the Loki Mini Pro with the i3 upgrade. I think I'll end up getting whichever has the larger battery. EDIT: I just saw that the i3 upgrade on the Loki Mini Pro also includes a larger 46.2Wh battery. So I put in an order for that. I'm curious about Windows performance vs. SteamOS though. If I'm only really interested in playing games via Steam, what would be my best option with the i3 Loki Mini Pro? Just running Steam in Windows? Or maybe some kind of stripped-down Linux distro?
This video has opened my eyes to Batocera. It's mind bogglingly better for emulation.
me too!
The phawx didn't know about batocera. That's a good one.
The difference isn’t usually this stark, but I’m very thankful for it!
I still can't justify getting this but Batocera took it from no way in hell to a serious consideration (even if only a short one).
I wonder if it's worth pretty much sticking with batocera since I believe it's possible to get PC game runnings on it through proton, even if it isn't as straight forward as steamOS
That battery life is giving me serious Game Gear vibes. 🤣😬
Great video as always!
All stuff and no fluff
Love your vids Mr. Sujano!
You must make a video about all the pc emulator!
This is why the Switch will continue to sell well, possibly for another five years
I suppose bad GG battery vibes are a little better than Turbo Express or Nomad vibes.
One thing im very impressed, not Win600 related, is how good batocera has become! Ill have to set up a USB stick with it!
I know the Deck is definitely under priced, but being $400 makes this a hard sell. I know they have to make a profit, but the Deck really disrupted the market. Great video!
If only you could buy one.
@@rjsmith2007 you could. i actually pre-ordered one, but let my purchase window slide, because i just couldn't justify the price in the end.
@@gehtdinichtsan309 Pre-order != buy. But yea I'm over the Steam Deck after the delays. I'm tired of pre-ordering and waiting a year or so for a device. This one is available now without pre-ordering. I can order it today and it'll arrive in a couple weeks from China.
Give it 10 years... we'll all be middle aged but damn our hand held gaming will be great.
@@rjsmith2007 I have a Deck. it's a great device. I think nothing can beat it for the price.
Dude, your videos get more and more impressive as you go. The breakdown at the end of this compared to the upcoming devices is exactly what I needed. You're truly a wizard at your craft. Appreciate the amazing content.
Great coverage on Batocera. Really impressed by how well it did with higher-end emulation (even 3DS and WiiU), but you're right, AYA Neo Air Plus will be a much better deal. A year ago, this would have been a done deal.
I'm excited to see what kind of Batocera machine we'll have a year from now :)
@@RetroGameCorps does batocera support touchscreen (for DS/3ds) on this or similar devices?
@@samh5886 it does not but I’ve been told that it is in the works.
so, compare with WIN 4, which one is better?
*"AYA Neo Air Plus will be a much better deal."*
Damn, this did not age well... like milk from the Jurassic Period.
The only thing that really stands out about this device is the USB A port; otherwise it's utterly unimpressive IMO. It feels like the only lesson Anbernic learned was "dpad on top= premium" from the RG 350 days, and they've been committed to that ever since, ignoring most ergonomic improvements.
Well, I hope they don't mind going down as a company. There's only one or two ambernic devices that ever appealed to me and this aint one of em.
At $300, I might've thought about it (waiting months for my Odin, along with SteamDeck). But $400? No way.
I appreciate this thoughtful review! I'm honestly a little annoyed that the market keeps getting saturated with devices that are this odd overpriced middle ground. It makes it really hard for people new to emulation devices like me, to feel confident in choosing. If I didn't know about your channel I'd be screwed trying to figure it out on my own! It'd be so much easier if the market was easily divisible by budget models, mid-grade models, premium models. I see some comments saying steam deck was underpriced which I actually didn't know, so I can see how that disrupted the market, but aside from that anomaly I think most would agree there's just far too many devices to choose from that often lack essential parts for performance, etc. Just some random two cents. 😅
I think that there are less of these devices! More competion means there will be more value for money. Before there was only gpd and aya which used to sell this over 1200$. Now even with top of the line specs the loki max with 6800u costs only800$. There is more confusion in the pc space
@@shlokshah5379 I guess for someone in my position who grew up gaming on consoles (we had pcs too but weren't super into PC gaming til I got older) it seems like a lot and like it's pretty confusing and convoluted to distinguish between them. It also doesn't make sense to me to compare this to the PC market, this is clearly trying to compete with handheld gaming devices and makes more sense to me to compare it to handheld consoles. PCs have a million different uses outside of gaming which is why it can be so confusing and hard to choose.
Yes but it's a few $100 more. If this can perform x86 retro gaming into the early 00's I think plenty of people would be happy with that plus console emulation. This would be the first affordable x86 retro gaming option, the question is whether it's worth buying this over a $400 laptop depending on the sorts of games you wanna run, and whether the Windows power creep is gonna be so bad that this thing is underpowered in a year as Windows continues to eat up resources.
Even less of an issue with SteamOS and Linux support.
It's like comparing the Ayn Odin to the Retroid Pocket - definitely different units for different users.
@@randzopyr1038 Yeah that's really insightful and makes a lot of sense to me, thanks for sharing that perspective!
@@Lilacs4 honestly I don’t know what you ended up buying but getting the base steamdeck for $400 plus tax and then 500 Gb as for more games is the perfect expierience besides making a 400 dollar pc for steam os and then getting a retro controller
Can u actually edit a video with it? On premiere or sony vegas?, can u use the controller for edit or u must use a keyboard and mouse
Thank you. I always wondered what "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" meant.
Made myself a cup of tea and finding a comfortable spot to watch - looking forward to this one!
Thank you thank you thank you for the comparisons. That last few minutes were so helpful. Still going to wait for my Steam Deck and my Loki. However the air looks very tempting. As always, an amazing video!
I love my Odin but was leaning Air Plus for the 1215U, I had no idea AYN added the 1215u as an option till this video, placed my order for Loki right away!
Perhaps if it had a bigger battery life, and was $250~$300 I might've thought about it, especially since we don't know if AYN and Ayaneo will deliver, but with what we're given, it's a hard sell. I can see myself using one if I had one, but I wouldn't buy one.
But Ayaneo is almost 3x the price lol
No, your information is outdated. Check out the Aya Neo Air Plus, which was announced recently. It will be much stronger than this and even cheaper.
Same goes for the upcoming AYN Loki.
@@clausjahnel5379 Very interesting. The Loki looks promising but 4gb of ram and the low storage options are eh.
Your so smooth when talking, improvise more on the way and keep up the good job, love your performance bruh.
Ive been waiting for your review!!! I was reallly wishing the 3050e version was $300. such a shame
It's $375 on their website
This batocera demo was really helpful. If I were choosing today between Odin and Win600, I would choose the latter. The fact that I already own an Odin makes it a bit tougher choice. Kinda curious if battery life is still two hours for emulation gamecube and older. Also wish I knew if the weaker model was still good for those consoles. Oh well, time to think.
A lot of people rag on the Win600 but in reality it's not a totally bad handheld. I bought the lower spec one and just use it for light steam gaming with older titles. The good thing about this handheld, is the comfort factor in which it doesn't feel like you're holding a mini skateboard (still love the steam deck though). Also instead of you trying to go through hoops to install windows, It's already included on the handheld. I have it, while not better than the steam deck, I still like it. It feels great to play xbox gamepass and ps plus premium on it.
How is the screen compared to the steam deck? I enjoyed the deck but omg the ghosting on the screen and the washed colours made it unusable for me so i just sold it off.
@@mdo I would say it's worse on the win 600. Display wise
That’s an expensive device comparing it to a steamdeck which is further developed and finetuned. The steamdeck also has a lot of options for emulation or running windows. Still I’m glad to see there are still new devices being added to the list!
The catch there is that the Steamdeck isn't available worldwide, so it's not even an option for a lot of people. Kind of seems like Anbernic is aware of this and thinks they can get away with charging more for a weak system because there aren't many other choices for people outside the US.
Steam deck also doesn’t exist unless you ordered early
@@Mars0War well I think the biggest thing is that ambernic just can't afford to loose money on their umpc unlike valve which is why the deck will always have a higher price to power ratio unless they do some serious production magic
Taking a Linux handheld and installing Windows on it..... Tsk tsk.
@@blacksamuraisoffendme bro I'd wait 6 months for a steam deck to deliver before I bought this cheap device.
For a long time I thought that Anbernic had hit rock bottom with the RG552 due to the bad and unthought-out ergonomics of the handheld (shoulder buttons). But with the Win600, Anbernic has managed to repeat the SAME mistake with the bad ergonomics (using the stick and operating the shoulder buttons at the same time) and as if that wasn't bad enough, in my opinion Anbernic also demands a much too high and very cheeky one Price for the service offered. It almost seems to me as if Anbernic is trying to compensate for their previously unachieved sales and profit targets with each additional product through an even poorer price-performance ratio. And that WITHOUT even paying attention to the most important point of all: THE BUYER 🤷♂️ That the buyer really has a good feeling with the handheld in the end and that especially in relation to a reasonable and fair price. Anbernic has achieved this goal with the RG351 series. Now Anbernic only draws attention to embarrassing actions against Taki Undo. This is a very weak signal from Anbernic. Thanks for the effort 👍
Where do you think we are heading towards?
First we had the opendingux era were all OEMs were tweaking their devices and searching their main goal. Then we had the "RK3326" where OEMs were just working with what they had, so they tried to compete just with price and ergonomics. We had some devices where this wasn't the norm, so they became kinda trend setters, like the OG RP2 and TrimUI or the V90, so OEMs were still trying to do something different. Then we had the Android era (sweet but short), with some Android devices like the RP2+ and Odin, but then users faced the fact that this hobby wasn't just pick up and play and you needed to set up everything first. But the Steam deck was announced and now we are into the Windows era, where we still need some know-how to set up everything and most likely what you learned previously will fall short because you will need to know more. OEMs are most likely going to battle with price, but CPUs are not cheap so they will try to cut corners again, like what happened with the RAM on this case. So some are going to battle with specs, but we will have so many options on a niche, when that happens usually some not going to be able to keep up they will try to find their base again, so I expect that some experimentation will happen. But the companies that know what to release to attack one specific user base will probably endure, the same that go only for price (like powkiddy). So, what do you think will happen? What will happen after the Windows era? I'd love to hear your thoughts. We will see products that will aim to go outside the niche?
I'm hoping we get a wave of RK3588 devices, because that chip is quite amazing compared to all other Rockchips. I do hope we continue to get devices that ship with a lightweight Linux like Batocera or EmuElec. Not everything needs a full Windows or Android OS. Having one just increases the RAM requirements really significantly.
I actually hope Windows handhelds are a niche within a niche, and don't become dominant in this space. I feel the same about SteamOS actually. We don't need Microsoft or Valve controlling the OS that's used for open handhelds IMO.
the next wave is definitely handheld pcs considering all the really powerful SoCs coming out soon. We just need more major players to get into it like razer / msi so we wouldn't have to rely so much on the Chinese market.
problem is they're cutting corners while also charging premium
I hope it opens up MORE Linux devices like the steamdeck itself because f*** windows and bill gates and all that spyware.
I'd just be happy with another anberelec os device powerful enough to run up to switch. I don't really need to play any windows games.
I prefer using my PC for that... and I just hate using a mouse with a gamepad.
I mean, it's a personal opinion of course, but I think even Valve understands that their OS's interface has to be friendly and user-ready or dummies-proof. I just don't understand Android devices having to set everything up, and not to mention using the mouse with an analog because the lack of touch screens for example.
So the future for me ideally would be something like batoceta, anberelec, retrobat... (emulation station interface) with mixed content like SteamOS, the ability to check retroachievements, screenshots and even online servers to join friends on good retro games within the interface without diving into RA. 👍
I kind of want one, looks awesome.
And the price sucks BUT that price might be the one thing that'll keep it in stock, unlike the Deck and Odyn and every other better spec handheld that you just can't buy right now.
Reality check, guys: I ordered Ayn Odin back in January and Steam Deck a full YEAR AGO and still haven’t received either! However, I WAS able to get one of these within 10 days of ordering. There’s nothing wrong with buying a device that is attainable from a manufacturer that knows what it’s doing to keep its supply chain operating efficiently! If I EVER get my Steam Deck I’ll just re-sell the Win600 on eBay and probably make a bit of a profit. This strategy has worked very well for me in the past.
I think this is the realistic application of the win600: a stopgap. Play around with it while waiting for a more powerful device, then sell it afterward. It's just simply not worth the price tag as a main device.
@@vsm351 I sold my GPD Win 2 in order to get this. Definitely a worthy upgrade. Hopefully I’ll hear from Valve one of these days!!
@@allenfrisch
Did you get your steam deck and sell the win 600?
@@fonzitheman Yes, I did!
It's a little big - passed on the 552 for the same reason - but the main reason I'm not ordering one right now is that analog stick placement. IMO the main purpose of this thing isn't the early-system emulation, there are lighter and cheaper devices for that, but the Steam gaming. That means using the analog sticks a lot. The placement/ergonomics of those are a make-or-break factor for an x86 handheld.
It's important to recognize that battery life on a x86 handheld is always going to be a trade-off against size and performance. I'd rather have a smaller device, and that means I'd have to use it plugged in a lot. That's just the fact of x86, none of the other devices are going to be any better without also being much thicker and heavier. That's not Anbernic's fault, that's just how it is.
Really balanced and detailed review Russ! I’m sort of tempted to try out the 3020 for $299 since my use case is as an upgrade to my RG503 for emulation plus low end PC Gamepass and PC indie games that have been a pain to get working on my steam deck. The battery life and analog stick placements are the biggest hurdles for me aside from the price. But as you said, having something that will ship soon is a major plus. Guess I’ll sleep on it till July 5th!
Been waiting for this video :) Thanks for such a thorough review.
Man, I really love your channel. Your production quality and commitment to detail is so good. Even though I know I'm not in the market for this $400 device I still find these videos really interesting. Keep it up dude!
How old are you dude?
@@kidsaresodelicious9666 Why do you ask dude?
@@scrub_jay Just asking my dude
@@kidsaresodelicious9666 Seems a random question haha. I'm 30. How old are you?
@@scrub_jay nice, me too more than 30 hehe
I like the form factor of this more than the Steam Deck, and I get that this device is going to be more easily obtained by a number of people, but still, I agree with you in being surprised it'd be priced where it's at. If this were 350, even, that'd make this a lot more intriguing as an option, but yeah, I think I'll need to pass on this for the time being. I do still hope it does well, though, competition is good.
There is no competition at this price currently
Early bird sale makes it slightly cheaper too
Yeah no, I wouldn't pay for this when I could get a steam deck for that price.
@@mathisblair2798 can you get one tho? When are you expected to get one from Valve?
Wow! I just checked both links the website and Aliexpress. The Anbernic Win600 sold out both editions!
In the future, I hope you can include some Retro PC Games in your tests! As a 90s and 00s PC games player, I think especially with this kind of device (I pre-ordered an AYN Loki Mini Pro) I'm most excited to jump into games like the Jedi Knight Series, Liero, Soldat, C-Dogs, Worms Armageddon and Deus Ex!
I want to get this myself but still on the wall about it, I enjoy mobile gaming more then console or sitting at my PC but spending over $1000 for any of the other two I am on the fence about (Steam Deck, AyaNeo) & would love this to be as best as it can be until I decide to fork out a weeks pay on the others. I like that you took it apart & did a thorough review deep diving into it all! The insides are the most important to myself I have never seen an SSD so small! Awesome review!
Thanks for the review and info on the other console options.
Thanks Russ, placed an order for myself.
I live in a region that does not have Steam Deck availability yet. Intending to use this as an immediately purchasable first step towards the world of PC handhelds.
Expect to replace this down the road with an AYN or the elusive Steam Deck, so I'll enjoy what I can get my hands on for now.
For those comparing prices, a 64GB variant Deck in my local grey/reseller market goes up to 5 times the cost of a win600. (Yes, I can get scalped for 1800usd thereabouts if I wanted to.)
Got mine - thanks for the video, Russ!
I appreciate all these videos and the work that goes into it all! Thanks so much
Price sucks but I'm sure there will be discounts later on. The real deal breaker for me is the lack of an SD card slot. What other devices reviewed in the past 2 years doesn't read SD cards? Crazy.
Buddy boy the steam deck and the rog ally dont have an sd card slot either so what did you not see how easily you can change the storage on the win600 😂😂
@@clash_VR yes they do buddy boy
We're really going to have to stop comparing these prices to the deck unless they can start getting them to people within a year of ordering. It's kind of like chasing a unicorn at this point.
Lol, there's no stopping all the steam deck fanboys.
They keep bringing up the $400 price tag for a 64GB system and assume you can install lots of games on it. Adding a branded 1GB microSD or M.2 card will bring the price to beyond $500++ which they failed to mention.
Plus imho the steam deck is way too big to be considered a handheld with the length at almost 30cm long.
@@acejon2162 Yeah, it seems so. There's no way I would buy a win 600 at this kind of price, either, but at least nobody is lying about it.
The deck is just too big to be worth it for most emulation, because you can do it on something at least half the size, like an Ayn Odin
Even some of its flaws and the somewhat higher price tag I ordered one because something that is rarely mentioned is the availability of these handhelds. The Ayn Odin is better in every way - except if you missed out on the (at the time, sketchy looking) crowed funding campaign you are waiting months and months for your order to ship. If you are like me and have a Steamdeck reservation in Q3 it might as well just wait for for my Steamdeck. All of the other options are either sold out or sells out almost instantly even if you try and get them ASAP. The options that are actually in stock are extremely expensive super high end handhelds.
To give you an idea of how hard it is to get these things - tried to get an Ayn Odin second hand they easily get to $800-$1000 on the second hand markets if you find them. It is insane.
The reason it is priced like it is, is because it has a decent form factor, decent specs, you can buy it with it shipping NOW, and it is under $500. I wanted something to hold me over until I got my Steamdeck and this was the only option I could get now without breaking the bank.
I ordered a Win600 as well! Got the black 3050 edition.
Great review, exactly what I was looking for. Thanks, Russ.
The sale went live and I ordered mine. look forward to seeing it soon. Like I commented before, plan to play mostly indies when I don't feel like sitting at my PC to play games. I even wonder a bit on how well streaming higher end games from my PC will run.
Nice! Ordered mine too just now - coming from AU where there's no steamdeck and use case for just playing Indie Games.
@@QmOt89 unfortunate that steam deck isn't available. I just don't like the large of a device. I do traveling for photography and staying at locations, something with my games on it that a bit slimmer would be nice. Yeah price isn't great, but I can buy it and maybe play it soon. Also I order that high end steam deck and started to regret it later on.
2 hours of battery life, No Micro SD Card Slot, and sub par ps2 performance. THATS ALL I GET FOR $400?! Yeah thanks but no thanks!
I was about to get this off Facebook marketplace for cheap but didn't know this. Not having micro sd is absolutely stupid and a deal breaker
It's been awhile but the 8GB and 256gb version is about $250 now.
@alexandercatterson223 I'd say it's been while the original comment was over a year ago and your trying to compare the price now?
If you didn't want to pay $400 for the 50e then you could of got the 300 dollar one if you really want one. Or just get a steam deck that is actually justified paying over a couple hundred bucks.
I understand now the prices are a Good bit cheaper but still wouldn't buy this over a steam deck or psvita honestly...
For me, it's a $200 device that I pay $400 for, up front, and then get $200 back when an upgrade comes along and I sell the Win600 second hand. And for $200, it's totally worth it to have a new toy to tinker with now! And sure, in theory AYN and AYA have better devices coming out in about 6 months. But then how long will the back orders be? How long until you actually get that device in your hands? Another 3 or 4 months? If you're lucky.
The moment i found out the price I know Anbernic screwed it up (again). I was expecting pricing ranging from USD250~300 depends on the configuration, not hitting USD400 for the higher end. Obviously Steam Deck is a better pick at that price range.
If it wasn't Russ... I wouldve shut the video off after hearing the price tag.
thanks for great explanation and comparison..please do this everytime you have new device:)
To say that I rabbit holed this channel since around... Christmas or so, and am now putting ArkOS on my recently obtained RG351P, this is where it ends up. A steam deck alternative and emulation into the harder stuff.
Thanks again for all the videos, much appreciated.
Great and detailed Video! Thanks for the review!
Hey Russ, I think you meant 1280x720 not 1920x720 right? Thank you so much for reviewing, as always!
Thats what I was thinking when I saw that.
Ive never seen 1920x720 so it made me go "huh! " lol
So yeah, pretty sure this device is not 1920x1080 (without looking it up) its 1280x720 making it a 720P screen. 😊
Yeah, I looked at the famous Handheld Google Sheet and this handheld does indeed have a 1280x720 (16:9) screen.
Great review and I hope I get for Christmas this year if don’t get the steam deck for Christmas this year
Great review! Missed the chicken break though…
can the cpu be over clocked? I fully purchased a Loki max but. It's hard to wait for it but. now watching your video I'm backing out getting this win600 I'm not impressed. I'm just going to keep waiting for my Loki max.
Great video mate, keep 'em comin' - this is a tough sell, compared to the Deck but lots of promise for the future. Very Exciting.
Great video. Ambernic up against a lot of competition these days but this is likely to be actually available
I think the price is because you can put the hands on one very soon. All other devices close to this price are pre-order subject to delay.
That Metroid dread copy on the table was a smart play.
I know this video is older now but did you make the ram on the win600 3200mhz? Or is it still 1333 with a 3200? I dont get the option to make it 3200. Max is 2100
I tried to order the 3050e version and it just won’t allow me to. Also, is the analog stick placement that bad? I would want to play some FPS on this. If it’s that uncomfortable, it may be a deal breaker.
It’s not for sale for another three hours, check back then!
@@RetroGameCorps thanks
Hey Russ, which do you think is the best value for bucks handheld for game streaming? I'm using my phone with the gamesir x2 atm and it's good, but controls are not great, it's cumbersone and I don't like the loong screen. Any suggestions? Thanks
Thanks for the video Russ. I'm currently setting up my Odin Pro with LaunchBox on a 1TB SD, so I'm now wondering, if solely for emulation, would you rather get an Odin Pro or a Win600? And which one is generally faster, more powerful?
One thing not mentioned is that the Steam Deck can be repaired and you can upgrade parts like the screen later if you get the lower model.
Again, can someone help me? In terms of ergonomics, which handheld would you choose to play fighting games like street fighter/mortal kombat which useses a lot of L/R buttons and shooters/adventures which also uses a lot of L/R buttons in combination with analog sticks. Which one feels the most natural/comfortable:
Powerkiddy RGB10 Max 2 or Anbernic RG353 or Anbernic Win600?
6:56 “yeah, man, I wanna do it” missed opportunity here
Thank you for showing Grim Dawn. It's one of my favorite games (played nearly 500h).
I hope you test other devices with this game in future, too.
I'm in the 11th minute and will continue watching right now 😁
Big question. Can you play emulated Sinclair ZX Spectrum games on this device.
Thanks so much for the video!! The price is high indeed, but again like you said - it's available now with all its flaws unlike the other comparison devices you have mentioned in the video with so many unknown. Considering its price & use case, i might just buy the lower priced 3020e. That should satisfy me until SteamDeck is available here in Australia. Thanks again for the video!! So so so helpful!!! 🙏
What version of Lumines were you running? I find 2 Ron’s online that run terrible.
I really like your intro and editing.
Thank you!
Hi, do you still set the ram clock to 1333MHz? Do you think that is the best timing for the Win600 stock ram?
Trying to find a console that will allow me to play certain retro games. Which version of Anbernic would be the best to purchase for the games listed below?:
• Mortal Kombat games 1-4
• Street Fighter games 1-3
• Power Stone 1 & 2
• Dark Cloud
• Sonic the Hedgehog 1-3
• Mace: The Dark Age
• Super Mario Bros 1-3, and Super Mario World
• Wario Land 1-4
• Bomberman 64
• Super Mario 64
• Diddy Kong Racing
will you be exploring adding steam (and windows games in general) to batocera (for x86/x64 devices) in future?
Wonder how practical it will be or will it just be too many frustration/drawbacks with peformance/compatibility.
How do you feel about the price of this these days? Locally a steam deck, even the low end version costs 550$ local currency whereas I can still find this one on AliExpress for about 400$ local currency.
I'm curious if nabbing this if it's so far under the steam deck's price makes sense.
Battery issue is definitely the thing aparts me to Win600. It is supossed to be a portable device, a hand-held...
Great analysis!!!!! Bye!
Do you think any more demanding games would play better from the m.2 vs the USB?
Off Topic.
You have the same voice/speed and tone as LevelCap. (another youtuber)
LOL.
Keep with this amazing good reviews! thxxx
I told you all there was no way it would start at less than $299. That is nit the Anbernic way. They are flexing with the strong supply chain and rabid core fanbase. They now it will sell enough right away as nothing else is available worldwide at that price range. All other handhelds are two to three months away for general availability.
Hmm. Just noticed these Loki upgrades. I preordered the Intel Loki Pro. I mainly want to just emulate up to PS2 (probably at 2x resolution). Are the upgrades necessary for that? The upgrades bump up the price by $110 which is quite a bit.
Edit: After a little digging around like the upgrades will probably be worth it in general.
loved your review and guide
I had a Loki Max preordered from day 1, and now in Dec 2022 it seems like it's still so far away that i'm considering picking up a WIN600.
I dont blame you.
I was looking at the Loki Zero but who knows when any of them will be actually available.
Id guess by mid next year latest. But again, who knows.
So Im looking at the cheaper 3020e model.
Plenty of power for my needs (emulation with Batocera).
Yeah the left stick isnt the best position and theres no micro sd cart slot and battery life isnt great (seems true with any X86 handheld though).
But hey, at least you can buy them now.
Almost May 2023 and still no Loki models. 😏
Awesome coverage on this device!~ I also put in an order for the Loki Zero, since that dual channel RAM is going to be massive here and the price point is 10x more attractive. Waiting's gonna suck though...
Also, I just wanna comment on one thing - that Intel chip (1215U) is NOT going to be as good for gaming as you might think. The UHD graphics aren't all that capable and with these devices we are definitely running into a GPU bottleneck instead of a CPU one, so you won't see much of a practical performance gain. There are videos on YT that demonstrate that a Vega 3 APU (like the 3050e) is pretty much on-par with a 12th gen Intel chip at way higher TDP levels. Windows handhelds using Intel chips will turn out to be a trap, lemme tell ya~
The upcoming AMD Mendocino architecture on the other hand... If it's not much more expensive, it should give a nice little performance boost, especially with that LPDDR5-6400 RAM and RDNA2 GPU. Shouldn't cost more than 300$ though, because we're getting too close to the Steam Deck otherwise.
Does it come loaded with Games? or you purchase them? I don't understand how this can run Mario 8, where it cost 59 bucks on Nintendo??
Didn't watch it yet but I am sure it is another one of those great review :") thank you Rust
it is
Regarding the RAM, would a larger size(like 16GB) and higher speed have any effect, or does the Win600 only support up to 8GB?
ETA Prime added a 16gb 3200 ram stick. And that is how you can top out its performance on the hardware side. Not much else to do but a better SSD.
Great video, it sold me to order on day one & 6 days later had it in my hands in the UK. Interested in upping the ram to a 3200mhz. Would going 16gb be worth considering vs the 8gb? Love all your videos I'm a big fan in your honesty & deep dives into what these devices can achieve.
Does it come with games pre-installed or do I need to install them myself? Sorry for asking lol. Just trying to buy my first handheld and don't know what to get so found my way to your channel. So am asking because I am a complete beginner to this!
It comes with windows 10 installed.
Just like if you would buy a windows PC, thats it.
You would have to set up and add everything yourself.
I suggest check RetroGameCorps older videos for smaller handhelds that some come with pre installed games, if thats what you are after.
Also depends on what systems you want to play/emulate.
@@fonzitheman Thank you :)
That would be considered a RAM overclock not adjusting the timings. Tightening the timings themselves could result in better performance though. A slower ram with tighter latency can result in much better results generally as long as the ram frequency isn't drastically lower. Of course, the "die" on the RAM itself can vary stick to stick even in the same kit so adjusting the timings isn't generally advised unless you know how good the kit is or what they can be run at. Thaiphoon Burner is a great tool to figure out what die the memory has and can be used with the Ryzen DRAM Calculator to learn how to tighten the timings.
Great tips, thanks!
yeah. i cringed when he said he would "adjust the timings" and then proceeded to simply raise the frequency while leaving all the actual timings on automatic
I'm impressed! Sure, it is kinda expensive for the performance, but it is affordable and it is shipping worldwide right now. That alone is worth celebrating. Let's hope Anbernic's attitude can push other companies into action to supply the world with handheld gaming PCs.
Hi, I really appreciate how in depth you take your reviews.
I have a question regarding the Windows 10 part of the device. How well does it work with streaming videos like RUclips or Netflix?
I ask because I have grown accustomed to watching videos with playback sped up to >2x speed now through add-ons available on the firefox browser. This is all fine for the desktop experience. However, I have been trying to get this feature to work on Android and surprisingly there is not anything like it that supports >2x speed unless I download the video, and play it sped up on VLC player.
Would it be possible to enable add-ons like "video speed controller" or "global speed" on the firefox browser through Windows 10 and play videos with decent quality at say like 3.8x speed on this device?
it is a full fat x86 windows install, so probably.
But thats such a spefic question with non spefic qualifires, i doubt you'll get many responses
@@Dracossaint Yeah it really is specific. I spent a lot of time looking for a way to play videos like this through streaming and there really is nothing like it at the moment.
Realmente que interesante la review, tan completa que colocó como ajustar la frecuencia de la RAM en la BIOS.
No conocía los futuros lanzamiento de esas consolas Loki o AyaNeo pero como dijo al final, todo estos futuros lanzamientos están en papel y nisiquiera hay prototipos así que de momento hay que aguantarse.
Gracias por el video, resultó muy útil
I'd like to know your opinion on the high end PC handhelds, like the ONEXPLAYER, Aya Neo etc. maybe not a review but just your point of view
Can you run things like ZSNES outside of the Windows environment?
Hey, let me ask you a question... I'm interested in getting a Handheld PC (does not need tô be the win600), but I also want to use It as my main PC, pluging in a Monitor with Mouse & Keyboard...
Do you know if there is any problem on using It pluged into the charger for using It for multiple hours? Like, using for work or whatever.
It'll work just find plugged in most of the time, I would think of it like a laptop in a different form factor. Many people leave laptops plugged in for extended periods; worst case scenario it might affect battery life slightly over the long-term.
@@RetroGameCorps yeah, i was afraid of damaging the battery... Do you know If It is easy tô find battery replacement if that happens?
@@DanielMontenegroBass most of these devices have a custom battery, so you'd have to get a replacement directly from the manufacturer.
@@RetroGameCorps that may bê problematic... But ok...
Also... Do you know If Power Banks work well with this kind of device? I was also thinking about getting a 20.000mah Power Banks to use with It If i run out of battery outside of my home
Dear Anbernic,
I don't know whether you take suggestions from your fans or not. But here it is. I have a suggestion that can also be a solution to the short battery life situation with your Win600. Give us a new, larger battery that's twice or triple the size of the original battery. Along with a new modified console backing that accommodates the size of the larger battery. This will make the console a little thicker than normal of course, but we will accept the compromise to get improved battery life. It's the same scenario used for cell phones when upgrading to an extended life third party battery that's too large for the original shell.
And yes, I am a true Anbernic fan. I've purchased many of your handhelds including your Win600 which I purchased a few days ago. So, I want Anbernic to thrive, do well and at it's best in the gaming industry!
In terms of SteamOS support, I do think that they are currently collaborating with Valve, but I don't think that the SteamOS version that they provide right now is a result of that collaboration. To me, the SteamOS support seems half baked for this device, almost as if they just used the Holo ISO.
At the current price of $240 direct from Anbernic for the 3050e 8gb model, is this the best option for a Windows handheld at that lower price point?
Depends where you lived tbh
Here where I lived, brand new steam deck cost 600 dollars so.
Hi, if I have 16 gb of ram with 3200hz, on which one should I set stock to 1600 or 1800?
Soo I have this hand held and mine over heats like fast and also I’ve tried to download a game from steam and it keeps crashing why is that ? Would you know ?
Thank you for the review! That's too expensive for me. Gonna wait it out
Very good video nice review , I was thinking on buying the device, but I’ve recently bought the rg552, about 2 months ago and been having a problem not charging and have orange light blinking , tried to get in touch with ambernic and no luck , by any chance you know what to do ? I had the same problem with my PS Vita but there’s a combination key to fix that, . Thank you in advance
I'm just wondering if Powkiddy or Anbernic have some other Windows handheld coming soon other than their Win600.
For me it's down to the i3 Aya Neo Air Plus and the Loki Mini Pro with the i3 upgrade. I think I'll end up getting whichever has the larger battery.
EDIT: I just saw that the i3 upgrade on the Loki Mini Pro also includes a larger 46.2Wh battery. So I put in an order for that. I'm curious about Windows performance vs. SteamOS though. If I'm only really interested in playing games via Steam, what would be my best option with the i3 Loki Mini Pro? Just running Steam in Windows? Or maybe some kind of stripped-down Linux distro?