Convergences are Raids Now... Or Are They!?
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- You'd think that fresh info on the form that raids in Janthir Wilds will take would be cause for great excitement, and I suppose it still is - although this particular article is a little unclear as to what it means!
Article link: www.mmo.it/index.php/2024/07/...
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If they want 50-person Convergences to feel like raid encounters, they really need to move away from the "trash mobs -> split/champs -> boss" formula and create something a bit more engaging. Add some real mechanics that players need to do (like Dragon's End), and give the boss proper phases to break up the fight (not just run to the next island).
so i d say that's what happened with umbreal since the phases there are goood everything else cm or not felt rushed
Im really thinking the new raid isnt going to feel like a raid at all.
for sure, yoy may be right
It's about time they have a proper name for this 50-man instanced content. Call it a full map raid, call it Convergences, whatever. We already had Dragonstorm, Twisted Marionette and SOTO's Convergences, all going by different name but they are basically the same idea. Make it a consistent system first, then we can talk difficulty adjustments later.
They have called it "Squad Mission" in the past when they re-did the Toxic Tower... And I guess this just implies that they will re-use this system for the 50-man version of the raid, to also have a "public" version with a timer and a private version, just like Soto Convergences, Dragonstorm, Marionette, etc...
a classic anet moment, lets do content and give it 10 different names
I'm tempering my expectations after how bad the recent fractals are.
Great video, thank you so much for sharing the interview!
It would be kinda cool if you had an official interview with roy or someone else. Would be a cool way to inform the community and allow content creators some more exposure.
I suspect convergence is just a catch-all term they're using for the style of open world content that's actualky kinda instanced - so like marionette and ds. with a separate instance they have free form to do any kind of event I think. I kind of look at for example rift hunting, I was surprised to find out inner nayos rift hunts are not the same type as the rift hunts elsewhere. shows they're trying to use like a catch all type if content but add variety to it.
when he says that they'll consider putting the raid into convergence, I think he's just saying they can use these 50 man instanced content method to make the raid instance available - but he doesn't wanna commit to it because they prob have to look at how a raid can be scaled or if it'll work if the squad is 50 unorganized ppl (today's convergence works cuz coordination is mostly unnecessary). the first try of this idea isn't out yet so they'll have to see how well it goes first.
IM CONEVERGING AHHHHH
feels bad man
I prever dragon end meta "raid" much much much more than convergence
Don't know why Teapot reminds me of the breakfast meme dude lmao
Interesting.
Some trash with a single boss is not a dungeon or a raid... both types of content should have multiple 'bosses' with raids being harder and bigger scale and dungeons being smaller scale and easier
Confusing!
Anet: 'We will add more raids in the next expansion!'
All 31 raiders left in the game: :O
Also Anet:
Gw 2 new mechanic warclaw=torrent u can now air jump like elden ring mount
I think the definition of Convergences here is simply "50 man instances". So not only SOTO format, but Twisted Marionette, Battle for Lion's Arch, Dragonstorm -- whatever Anet needs them to be.
So I'm not as concerned about the new raid having SOTO-like "champion farm -> 1 big boss" structure. If they need it to be a meta event chaining a few raid bosses and trash between them, that should not be an issue. Also this probably implies that the Open world difficulty raid won't be in the Open world in fact, but in Convergence instead. Which makes sense cause both are on-demand instances, not something always on.
And the "adding in the future" bit in the interview -- I think it's about future raids that come beyond W8.
I read this more like the pub/openworld version will be like Convergences, while instanced raid will be more traditional. hopefully not copium
Convergence CM felt like a 50 man raid for sure. Its not something I'd do a lot, but doing them all and having the coordination/organisation was a lot of fun.. And challanging enough to where people had to focus.
I think the issue with raids is people still see it as a scary ultra elitist end game content. Dying in a 10 man raid feels like a target is on your back.
Building Convergences to be as hard as raids in my opinion helps the confidence of potential new comers as dying in a 50 man convergence isn't a set back, its just another Tuesday.
I wouldn't mind an open group raid. Getting 50 guildies to be on at the same time is kept for just the largest and most established guilds.
What is the difference between a raid and any other group content? coordination? difficulty? farming reoccurrence? loot?
Are convergences going to be the raid version of strikes? could dragonstorm/ twisted marionette be brought under the convergence umbrella?
I for one, would like to see a public version of raids, and keep the challenge modes to the private instances (with more lucrative loot, of course)
I think it would be a good idea even if the raid bosses are put at the end of the current convergences. The reason being it exposes players to raid mechanics that can be carried into the actual raids. I think raid vs strike is an interesting conversation though. On one hand strikes are more accessible, but people only farm the easy ones. On the other hand raids offer more immersion and more time engaged with content, but are a larger time commitment and requires stable group. Perhaps with WvW guilds being a thing that will increase player commitment and provide stable groups making raids the most viable direction. Time will tell...
Would be amazing if they made all previous raids also have 50 man versions as well.
I'm just hoping that Legendary Insights are a reward for the open raids. I'd like to get Coalescence but I'm not big on raids. Yea, I know you need to do the raids at least once for the achievements so when I do go for it I'll go through those wings but then just do the open raids for the insights.
Convergences got me more interested in seeing what raiding can offer than the boring strikes, so maybe they'll do what strikes failed to.
how come they dont add a cross server looking for raid group where people just group up and kill raid bosses for legendary armor collections
Im loving having another convergence.
I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT OPEN WORLD RAID >[
Maybe one day GW2 will have a clear recipe/direction.
We'll see how it goes, but it's confusing and it feels like useless workload/that could have been used on something else.
If i'm correct at this point the raid wil have:
- open world full map raid version
- 50 man convergeance instance that sound redundant with the above
- 10 man raid (with 3 difficulty ?)
Even tho I can imagine that the 50 man convergeance thing would have been usefull for a part of the community if that existed for DE for example (People who were pissed about the difficulty / "obligation" to do it for certain features and who didn't want to engage with it whatsoever) and they could have left the vanilla experience in open world with this system maybe but I find it a bit lame and not a good response to these problems.
well i kept getting kicked cause i dont have 100 LI so i would say they are lol it's stupid
Convergence are not enjoyable.
Rifts and convergences are the worst things they've ever made. I hope none of that translates into the 10 man version, otherwise it's just an entire wing of bandit trio.
Convergences are the cringest content after rifts, just remove them from the game please
Feels worse than drms
I like them. Once or twice a week it's fine.
Disagree so much. Great 50-man content, esp. pugging CMs is just a lot of fun. Playing right into the strengths of GW2.
It's great that the content is made specifically for you.