The big PROBLEM with MULTIVERSE stories
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- In recent years, many superhero stories have explored the concept of the multiverse: we've seen it throughout the new MCU saga, in The Flash, and even in Invincible, but none of these projects managed to take full advantage of the multiverse. The concept caused more problems than anything else, and we explain why in this video.
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Everything Everywhere All At Once was the real Multiverse Of Madness.
that was a standalone film tho. With no sequel or crossover intentions
@@joseqmedina101 I know. What's your point? And that's not how you spell though.
@@v-rex6262 my point is creating film universes and connect those movies is a harder task and was not the intention of EEAAO writers in the first place. Sorry for my lack of proper academic english I didn't know I was doing a job interviw
Nah it was terrible, Deadpool and Wolverine is the real Multiverse of Madness
It took me a month to watch the last thirty minutes in two sittings. It really came to a crawl to slow for my taste.
The main problem of it is that the writers of these stories can't even keep the difference between multiverses and timelines consistent which causes of become even more confusing of itself
I can't believe I didn't watch Loki before watching Deadpool & Wolverine.
Same but still enjoyed Deadpool and Wolverine 😂
First , Multiverse of Madness was disappointed because the story itself was bad and not just because there wasn't enough cameos , second , in the Avengers movies as long as they explaine what needs to be explained in the movie itself they will be understandable just like Deadpool & Wolverine
I agree with deadpool,
"That's just lazy writing "
Lol Deadpool and Wolverine have a worse story than Doctor strange 2.
The actual multiverse movies were a lot of success...NWH made over 1.9 billion..MOM made over 950 million..DnW just crossed 1 billion in 3 weeks.Loki is the most successful series ever on disney+ ...
The non multiverse movies were the problem...
@@damiantirado9616 that is not true the writers Of Deadpool and Wolverine actually cared about making a great movie while the writers for dr strange 2 were like lets make dr strange weak so the scarlet witch seems powerful that is lazy writing
@@Superskye928 lol is that why the movie is so mediocre? It’s a decent film but nothing special you fanboys just like it because of nostalgia.
3:29, Paradox says the death of an anchor being causes the death of his home universe over the course of thousands of years but was just unwilling to wait that long
It still doesnt really make that much sense, thousands of years on a cosmic scale is like a single water molecule in a bucket.
What about the literal billions of years before the ancor being existed, if they are still an ancor before they are alive why not after theyre dead.
Its a truly weird and unnecessary concept
@@crazygamer6982 The time before the anchor being existed is a good point but they had an explanation for the time after. I know on a cosmic scale thousands of years isn’t a lot though I would also say I don’t expect the writers of other projects to run with this concepts because this movie really shouldn’t impact the broader Marvel Universe
@@matityaloran9157 I had this conversation with a friend and he said "Its deadpool, why are you thinking about it so hard" and hes absolutely right lol
@@crazygamer6982 He’s right.
When I make my stories, I will never make multiverses
Ngl I’ve been making my superhero universe for a while and multiverses are in it because they are very fun to write and can let ya do fun things like the captain Britan core or isekai’s
@@Quantum_Comics It all depends on how well written someone writes it
My stories will have a Multiverse, but it would be in one short storyline, and that would be it and probably would not play a big part
The man's name is Quantum Comics. I get a good feeling about this one @@swiftstreak98
yes because who are you ? nothing
2:40 Bro you never understood the concept. Kang wasn't maintaining only one timeline, he was maintaining millions of timelines but he trimmed it the way that every timeline will follow the same story. Means timeline 458 and timeline 616 had literally the same storyline until loki s2ep6. Then they stopped trimming so the past and future of the timelines changed. LOKI SHOW WAS VERY CLEAR FROM THE START!
Multiverse of Madness wasn't good not because they didn't have enough cameos. It wasn't good because they didn't use them well and just got them for promotion and killed them off in so ridiculous ways. And scarlett witch already did the villain thing in wanda and vision and in the finale she did realize what she was doing was wrong. There was no point in making her a villain again.
Companies are so concerned that in sharing rights and property that they might lose some money so they act greedy with the IP and wind up losing or making no money at all. Genius strategy. It’s as if these companies haven’t grown past the infantile “don’t touch my toy” stage.
In the comics it's alot more difficult to understand
There's a reason why non 616 storyline rarely sells lmao
This multiverse thing is going to confuse the fuck out of people and that's the issue here
I think people hate the multiverse because it can be used as a deus ex machina, and it makes more homework for them
0:35, it’s the idea from Dr. Hugh Everett about Quantum Theory that for every event with more than one possible outcome, each outcome is realized as its own distinct universe existing in parallel to all the other resulting in an infinite number of parallel versions of the universe which cannot interact with or affect one another. So when Hugh Jackman said Logan was set in its own universe distinct from that of the X-Men movies, it made sense in terms of Multiverse theory. The movies where characters can interact with people from other universes don’t make sense vis-à-vis Multiverse theory. Which is fine, movies don’t have to be scientifically accurate, but the problem arises when they can’t be consistent with the rules that they made up.
When I read the name "Multiverse of Madness" I hoped Doctor Strange would have got stuck in the multiverse and met horrifying creatures like the protagonists of The Mountains of Madness did in Antarctica.
The worst thing is that the movies require me as a casual viewer to watch the series on disney+. This would be fine IF these series were good but the writing in both Marvel & Star Wars has taken a nosedive. Now the reason for this decline in quality are vividly discussed but for me it is because the „characters“ are one dimensional, existing characters are being made awful and the stories have huge plotholes. And now you make these stories the backbone of your upcoming movies… that is just dumb.
Marvel seriously needs to take notes from Across the Spider-Verse. They showed different universes right and they were unique. It should be the bare minimum they should be able to follow
Anyways… I just subbed, you have great videos!
I was into the multiverse genre before marvel spoiled it how do I make it work in my game
I've been around comics and films for most of my life, and even I can't tell you why we're suddenly calling the MCU universe 616. 616 is, specifically, the primary comic book universe. Why? WHY? Maybe by some cosmic quirk all Marvel multiverses imagine themselves to be Earth 616, but nope, we don't see that in Multiverse of Madness. It's a designation and a decision that can ONLY piss off the fans and has no meaning whatsoever to anyone else.
My cousin: I have to study quantum physics, time travel, and watch 10 movies and lots of television shows and all characters original movies just to know what’s the next movies talking about?
I'd say you can skip the tv shows or most of them and enjoy the movies mainly.
What even more hilarious is in a Multiverse story, they refuse to use it as a leverage to recast actors. Why wont they just replace Majors/recast T'challa
A plain of existence is a physical plain like the one we all exist on, which are also on different levels of this one, and or different frequencies that are higher or lower
Sonic Prime version of the Multi-verse. The Shatter-verse.
the anchor thing was a joke about no more movies being made in the same universe in which the anchor dies. Don't overthink it.
3:15 Honestly, a theory of mine is anchor beings are made up by Paradox. Thats guys a manipulative prick whose goal is to just move ahead. I agree with all your points though.
Anchor beings are just a meta commentary on the main cash cow character of a cinematic universe.
No, the REAL lazy writing is when they use the reboot to just retell variations on the previous stories because they are just flat out out of new ideas to fit into the canon. What? Green-K has been overused? Well, we changed it!! Now it doesn't work the same!! Now we can tell you that "First encounter with green-K" story all over again...!! Lex Luthor? He's not just a super-genius mad scientist, he's a brilliant businessman AS WELL (Because THAT happens all the time...) What, there was never a Supergirl from Argo City on Krypton? Hey, now there's another Supergirl, but ...
And so on and so on. The only ones that have done this at all well is the Legion of Super Heroes, and even there, it's far from perfect -- they've just had many of DC's best writers over time.
4:38 I cant :'D What a perfect joke
You deserve a lot more subs and views
I donno but I didn't liked Deadpool V Wolverine very much....I liked the first 30 minutes or so, but then it was very basic
4:50 I would disagree with the point that filmmakers should not touch the concept of the multiverse just because they aren't able to fulfill the hype of expected cameos from the audience.
Just like you mentioned Reed Richard's appearance in Doctor Strange Madness of Multiverse, the problem was that he was not given better screenplay: the smartest man alive and he -
1. Told Wanda about his plan to use Black Bolt to disintegrate Wanda
2. Tried to directly attack Wanda resulting in stretching and spaghetti-like dismemberment of the Fantastic Four's genius leader 😅
But during the rewatch of that film I understood that Reed actually recognizes that by killing the Scarlet Witch, they would be killing the innocent Wanda Maximoff whose body was being used to dreamwalk. Reed wanted her to surrender so they could avoid that. So he was smart after all 😂😂😂
So multiverse's rules are complicated but poor writing superseded that.
Underatted RUclipsr
Multiverse of madness was a good movie. I'm so sick and tired of all these " marvel fans" who arent actually marvel fans dictating whether a movie is good or bad based on what cameos are in it.
Note: When I and my twins making stories and new IP, we connect them through the Multiverses. Because we believes in the Omniverses, where all every new IP and stories is the universe they created rather being fictional work of the authors or creators.
I often like to make dimensions but those are often unique to a character I make. This is just no.. messing with time is as far as I’ll go
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5:35 Angstrom's last name is pronounced LEEVEE.
all ur points for problem one and two is just "its too confusing" but if you watch all the movies its not?? like marvel isnt supposed to be s flat story when you can jump in at any time
The actual multiverse movies were a lot of success...NWH made over 1.9 billion..MOM made over 950 million..DnW just crossed 1 billion in 3 weeks.Loki is the most successful series ever on disney+ ...
The non multiverse movies were the problem...
Most of you listed because nostalgia factor and not because multiverse concept is the main drawing point.
@@Kaisar9000 without multiverse none of it would happen..da
@@lanalan4157 Deadpool 3 will not reach billions without returning nostalgia factor like Hugh Jackman, if Wolverine casted by another actor it will not reach billions guaranteed.
Hence why Multiverse factor is not the main drawing point.
@@Kaisar9000 again...multiverse means different universes..Thats the point ..without multiverse you will have no Wolverine..how thick are you lol
*TOM CRUISE AS SUPERIOR IRON MAN*
4:41.
Rick and Morty does the best multiverse stories. End of the story.
Hola criticas cronicas de la tierra 1616, soy del universo 616 y hablas español :D
El multiverso es grande
Don't forget about Sonic Prime the way they wrote the multiverse in that show was awful.
Across spider verse is not a masterpiece Deadpool and wolverine the billion dollar budget Deadpool wolverine is a masterpiece
Fan service movie nothing else
How dare you
Bruv even 10 years old GenAlpha kid can understand multiverse by watching the skibidi toilet multiverse series than the grown ass normies🤣
It should’ve gone no further than phase 4 as a transition to the Xmen coming in. And then phase 567 are the next arc 🤷🏽♂️
You miss the BIGGEST flaw of the multiverse... it removes STAKES. D&W highlights this and, ultimately, does homage to the Logan Wolverine but Reynolds and the writers are fully cognizant of how terrible an idea the multiverse is to storytelling. The Worst Wolverine is a different character, not just a replacement. If the Multiverse was bigger when Logan came out, it would have lacked the punch it did.
the Arrowverse was flawed but the multiverse was better treated in it
McGuffin isn't a problem, it depends on how you're going to use it.
DARK, His Dark Materials did it.. This year Crisis on infinite Earth Animated movie Trilogy did it.
I heard some people say similar things about time travel. The rules and possibilities make it a hassle to deal with usually.
Quick rewrite to the anchor.
The anchor should be someone who in a timeline is suppose to go on to save that timeline. Like they are destined to do great things and cause a chainreaction
Logan was that anchor but he died when he wasnt suppose to. Thus he isnt around to do what hes suppose to do so the timeland begins to break apart and spiral it has the potental of crashing into other branches causing more problems.
Deadpool is arrested for messing with time causing the timeline to get more out of control so he is captured n he breaks out seeks out wolverine to fix the timeline n be the new anchor.
But he n wolverine get prunned
Yes! this right here! After Logan, the MCU turned to trash and D&W literally came back to save it after Fox was acquired.
Multiverse saga will no multiverse 💀
4:56 This isnt true for me, and I bet a lot of other people too. I didnt believe any of the speculations. I learned to never believe stuff like that, until I see it. What I was hyped about was the Mr. Fantastic and Prof. X cameos, which were already confirmed. And they introduction was gold, I was very happy when I saw them.
The problem was Marvel throwing them away 5 minutes later, in SUCH a STUPID way, which made me feel betrayed and disgusted. (also the handeling of Wanda suddenly beeing full evil, but no need to have that discussion again) I mean honestly, the "smartest man in the universe" is acting plain out dumb, even for an average human, and since fking when can you just brake Prof. X neck in your own mind and kill him?! That makes his powers not just fking useless, but also dangerous for him to ever use. Hes supposed to be one of the strongest beeings in Marvel history and you kill him off like that? Nah I will never accept this decision.
THIS is what STILL makes this movie feel like one of the worst MCU projects ever to me. I bet objectively its not a bad movie, but they shouldnt have played with my feelings like that. If they never included these characters, it would have been an okay movie to me, and I wouldnt have left the cinema extremely mad and disapointed.
The anchor being dying causing the destruction of that universe is a 4th wall break. They literally mean the MCU began to crumble after Logan.
14:51
Cool Character? Bro, No One cares about a discount *girl boss* version of Captain American. No One cares about Captain britain or whatever her name was.
I feel like when hulk/the writers gave us that dumbass explanation of chaning the past doesnt change the future and with how the ancient one explaine removing the stones causality that mucked up everything instead of just saying changing the past doesnt change the future and thats it intead of making it convoluted and everyone else followed after phase 3
1:04, you forgot about “inevitable intersection”
Multiverse ... just why?
Honestly, I think the biggest problem with this is that the multiverse saga should have been the third saga story. Everyone after the infinity saga immediately wanted to go into mutes because mutants are literally half of the Marvel Universe. Is is that they couldn't use mutants until 2025. Back now the smart thing that they should have did was release some small TV projects and a couple of films tying up the loose ends to the multiverse saga and paving the way for the mutants so that by 2025 they could go full in on a mutant saga. At the end of the mutant saga with every single Marvel character established from The avengers to Spider-Man's to now the mutants. Now you can do multiverse variant stories about them since now the audience is super comfortable with them. Could have waiting Disney and Marvel got greedy and they were like well. If we can't use mutants, we'll do the multiverse instead and then try to do every character and rushed everything and every year had to have three films and they just buckled under their own weight. The key to this which I think the new DC Universe is going to show off that Marvel forgot and DC didn't originally get is patience. Need to spread this out and be patient. Need to sit back, evaluate and go things step by step in a logical manner. Otherwise you will lose your entire audience. And they're kind of trying to do that now, but it's a little too late. Honestly, the multiverse saga is so big that I'm afraid of what the mutant song is going to be. Cuz mutants sound like a lesser Universal threat than the idea of threatening both the universe inside of a multiverse. Diverse should be like the last big Grand thing you do, not the stepping stone to something else.
my god this multiverse thing is so fucked up man. only if marvel had taken it slowly and steadily after endgame and slowly introduced the idea of multiverse it could have worked without no problem. releasing so many projects in so little time was really a bad idea.
there is no anchor point for the timeline that was made up from the guy that worked at the *tva* (idk his name) the reason why the timeline was going to die is bc of the machine that kills the timeline