When I went through Fire Control Tech A School at Great Lakes in the mid 1980's, some half a dozen optical range finders were in the school plaza for us to play with. 30X magnification was the most that I recall on those machines, and it makes sense for several reasons. First, high magnification allows you to look further away but too much of it and you'll be trying to look over the horizon which a line-of-sight device cannot do. Also, the mountings of these rangefinders was interesting; some of them hanging in gimbals with the spotter scope also having its own stabilizing. However- the higher the magnification, the more difficult it is to track the target at range- especially in the pitching and rolling environment of a warship. The lower the magnification, the easier it is to track the target at long distance... but it fills less of your field of vision and you need a split silhouette to find range and thus higher magnification. It's a fine balance.
@@jackgee3200 Yeah, we called our gyro, 'R2D2'. Funny thing is that the tech you're speaking about coincided with radar development which, by 1940, rendered optical systems obsolete and relegated to secondary back-up systems. The synchro/servo analog computer (the Mk 68 is a good example) combined with gyro stabilization and FC radar tracking (be it doppler or nutating) was just too quick and accurate to bother with us guys staring through weird looking pipes.
The question on Helena's ROF motivated me to look at the USN action reports for Kula Gulf. Helena's captain estimated that her 6-inch battery fired between 1000-1100 yards in 6-7 minutes of fire, so a bit less than 100 rds/min over that time. But Honolulu's gunnery officer reported firing 172 rounds in 1.7 minutes and then 220 rounds in 2.5 minutes of firing--so right around the 100 rd/min mark. Opening ranges were less that 7,000 yards, promoting rapid firing. Both ship used continuous fire (rather than salvo fire). As an aside, most accounts mention Helena running through her stock of flashless powder, as S E Morison mentions this as contributing to her torpedoing. But it seems that all three cruisers in the action had only limited stocks of flashless powder and probably ran through them very quickly in the first minute or two of firing. Added to that, there's a good possibility that Japanese torpedoes were in the water before the stocks of flashless powder were exhausted.
HMS Prince certainly had a very long life, its fascinating to think that before Trafalgar Nelson or another sailor might have witnessed a ship that could trace its routes back to the reign of Charles II and only a few years after the Dutch raid on the River Medway. Of course as you mentioned some wooden ships of the line did also survive long periods of time, with some noticable examples being HMS Nile, which was launched in 1839 and survived as a training ship until 1953, when she unfortunately ran aground on the way to a refit, having served for 114 years, while HMS Cornwallis survived for a whopping 144 years, from 1813 to 1957, but was converted into a jetty in the 1860s so would have been unrecognisable by the end.
Regarding the "Brown M&Ms" segment. My RUclips "Brown M&Ms" is when I see a recommended video that is titled "The Amazing Story of USS XYZ....", or "The Shocking sinking of XYZ...", or something like that. When I did watch them in the past, rarely if ever are the stories "Shocking" or "Amazing". Ya know, it was amazing that destroyer sunk cause it got hit amidships by a 16" shell. No, what would be amazing is if it got hit amidships by a 16" shell and didn't sink. Now I just ignore them. They're just trying to get clicks.
@@andrewpease3688 When I was single, I kept out of pubs unless I was going with a group (eg at lunchtime or after ours with work colleagues), so I understand your sentiment. Now when I go into our local (Ironically for this particular dry dock called Sovereign of the Seas - our local 'spoons, not too far from Drachland) with my wife, we often use our phones for language lessons, and I quite often see people alone with a drink. Maybe it's a British thing, perhaps US people are more gregarious! Given what we do with our phones without interacting with each other for long periods I can certainly envisage someone popping into their local to keep warm and watch a Drydock or two with some appropriate refreshment.
Regarding rangefinder magnification: learning that rangefiders had something like 20-25-30x magnification and owning a 50x10-30 binocular (unstabilized) gave me A WHOLE NEW UNDERSTANDING of the importance of being a stable platform (ie slow gentle roll) and not having vibration transmitted through the hull. Thank you.
Barry Gough deals deals with Beatty's funeral in 'Churchill and Fisher' (p.501). According to Gough, Jellicoe's widow was incensed that Beatty was placed beside Jellicoe, complaining to Ernle Chatfield, who was then First Sea Lord. Gough writes that Jellicoe was buried in the 'naval' corner of the Cathedral, implying that it would have been odd for Beatty to have been placed elsewhere.
So if I'm understanding Drach's response correctly, the US Navy *designed* a lot of battlecruisers, *started building* two classes Lexington and Alaska, and only *completed* one class, Alaskas.
1:48:00 On the subject of an Amerikabomber designed with diesels, the Luftwaffe had a perennial problem with getting *any* new, good piston engines - let alone diesel-powered ones. Lot of interesting projects were designed around engines that never actually got past prototype - like the infamous Jumo 222 (or HeS 011 in the case of jets) - and ended up using inferior engines as a result. One thing that I have always wondered on the Allied side is the ground-side consequences of fuels with very high octane ratings to greatly improve performance. Part of this was done by chemically 'cracking' long-chain components into shorter chains and additionally removing components that tended to cause corrosion or 'gumming'. But they also put a whole lot of additives that even then were known to be viciously toxic - like Tetraethyl Lead. I have seen at least one document that mentions: "Higher relative toxicity of the fuel necessitates more careful handling". Anyone know of situations where this toxicity had real-world consequences?
Sound more like an Rex's Hangar or even more a Greg's automobiles and airplanes question. I know for sure Greg has looked into high octane fuels and it's performance (although mostly NACA research I would say), he might have stumbled along handling manuals along the way. As an engine nut, it is for sure right up his alley though.
@@Tuning3434 The reason I wonder is that - as a UK citizen in my mid-50s - I spent many years walking to school in a haze of vapourised lead compounds. How much dumber am I than than I would have been growing up post-ban on lead additives? There was a study on crime levels and they noticed a dramatic decrease after the ban on lead in car fuel. Now, correlation is not causation, and there were other contributors. But still ....
As a trained SCUBA diver, I suggest you have at least one safety diver on hand for your "swimming" in plate mail experiment. And if you already don't have experience with breathing through a SCUBA regulator, please get some practice in first. That way, if you find yourself underwater and the safety diver hands you a regulator mouthpiece, you know how to use it and are comfortable with using it. You might also learn the underwater hand signals for divers. One of the first training sessions I had, my instructor had us take our fins off and try to swim with just our booties on our feet. It was a marked decrease in forward motion from kicking my feet. I imagine if I had also the weight of an air tank, a buoyancy compensation device (BCD), and the weights used to maintain neutral buoyancy, then it would have been even more of a struggle (without any air in the BCD).
IMO, the Canadian flag is one of the most visible brown M&Ms in WWI, WWII, and Korean War histories: If you see the Maple Leaf flag instead of the Red Ensign, put your skeptical glasses on. Once you notice this, you can never not notice it.
I wonder if you can find the Battlecruiser 1919 detailed design studies sitting in a file cabinet next to the crated Ark of the Covenant in the warehouse at the end of the Indiana Jones movie. 😉
There is a proposal called Design G-5 light carrier (9.800tons) in 1932. Sadly there are no specifications and drawings of it but judging by it, I guess it might've been an reduced version of the Ryujo.
Drach, while the experiments regarding boarding actions in armor sound interesting, for all of our sakes, please don’t forget the aphorism “Every knight can be a submarine once.”
2:00:00 according to official navy history, the portholes from the captains import cabin on CVN - 65 were reused from CV 6. They were saved and are going to be reused on CVN - 80. So other than her nameplate, parts of the gray ghost are still around.
In regards to the idea of building an on-land replica of a medieval warship for some experimental archaeology, it occurs to me that this sort of thing might be right up Tod's Workshop's alley. Perhaps a 3-way collab with Tod, Matt Easton, and Drach? Maybe Tod might be able to find a weird weapon from history with a naval connection! It's certainly worth an ask I'd think; I'm sure you'd all have a total blast with it.
The Electropult was at "pat-TUX-ent" River Naval Air Station (NAVAIR) in Maryland on the Chesapeake Bay, right down the road from me. Also nearby are Dahlgren and Indian Head--two other US Naval test centers. They have very interesting museums.
1:54:00 if your going to do that do find a pool that is only shoulder deep. So you can swim and tread water but also stand up. 2:29:23 perhaps the best hulls for conversion would've been Inflexible, Indomitable, New Zealand and Australia. Resembling some form of upscaled Hermes.
The artist depicting a whaling operation had marvellous nimble, supple and leaping models that day for his painting. Nor rattling knees to hamper the vaulting upon their aquatic mount!
As much as I would love a special dedicated to medieval naval combat Drach... I would be very worried for your safety if you tried experimenting with swimming with armor in any amount of water. Every year it seems in Michigan there are reports of people accidentally falling into various lakea and rivers while wearing steel-toed boats, only to drown when they cant doff the boots quickly enough. And thats just modern boots.
1:28:55 What I want out of each and every one of you is a hard-target search of every graving dock, drydock, slipway, dockway, spillway, docking pier, canal, and dryslip across this entire planet.
33:29 - Lions Led by Donkeys Episode 290 goes into some detail on the Mongol Invasion. They're a little bit superficial compared to Drachinifel, but they get the broad strokes right. Probably worth a listen.
TBH, the perfect example of the difference between land warfare asymmetry and sea warfare is probably demonstrated best by Sweden and Switzerland. Switzerland has been more or less a non-starter conquest-wise for centuries despite their very small footprint, because their geographical advantage means they could make the most vital parts of their war economy incredibly costly to neutralize through widespread compulsory service (and armament, frankly), plentiful fortified strongpoints and aggressively mined access tunnels through the otherwise impassable mountains between cantons, which in the context of Europe means that essentially not one of their hawkish neighbors ever determined that cost reasonable against the gains. Sweden on the other hand takes advantage of the multitude of islands to emplace a layered, but dynamic defense which would cause substantial losses *or* an extended, unacceptable commitment of force to defeat by a *small* naval adversary. That defense relies upon the good graces of the largest naval powers, as they historically did not take an interest in conquering Sweden and any other potential adversary - i.e. Russia - would have left themselves unacceptably vulnerable to said large navies if they ever attempted to neutralize Sweden's navy and coastal defenses and subsequently prosecute an invasion over the sea. Sweden's safety relies not only upon the merits of their war preparations, but also careful diplomatic positioning with regards to the largest, most dangerous naval powers.
For the Courageous built question, you ignore that having them or not would change the treaty. I don't see the US and Japan letting the UK get purpose built carriers of the same tonnage as their conversions. More likely is, assuming the clause is still in the treaty, the UK gets to build two carriers to the new purpose built maximum tonnage.
Best opening tune on RUclips. Are any extant pieces of music for what they played on drums signaling or even just to change the watch? It’d be awesome to play those
wrt the two questions about the Courageouses, my first thought is that the cruiser fleet tonnage limits of First London would make it imperative the Courageouses be scrapped as soon as possible, as each Courageous scrapped would make tonnage available to build three new cruisers. On the other hand, by the time of First London, the Deutschland was building, and the Admiralty might think the Courageouses were the perfect thing to kill Deutschlands. As for a no Courageouses at all scenario, Jackie had tried to have a third Renown class, probably as Resistance, built, but his request was refused. The turrets were in hand, from the cancelled R-class ships. They probably would have ended up on monitors, or used on Hood, instead of the Mk II turrets being built from scratch. Regarding the impact on naval aviation, the Washington treaty does allow conversion of two ships that would otherwise be scrapped to be converted. The Wiki article on the G3s says there is no photographic evidence any of them were actually laid down. The G3s were so huge that they could probably not be cut down enough to get under the 33,000 limit anyway. The Lions were scheduled to be scrapped for treaty compliance. They are significantly shorter, and a bit beamier, than the Courageouses. Fit a modern, oil fired, plant, and their speed might be improved significantly. But the cost would probably be so great that the Admiralty would probably be better off building a clean sheet design. Without the Corageouses, something like Ark Royal would probably have been built in the late 20s.
03:00:50 Gun pits at Elswick and Barbette assembly pits at the old Scotswood works in Newcastle existed until the plants closed in late 1960s, the large gun pits were floored over, so turrets like 4.5 inch, and later Destroyer turrets, could be assembled, but being close to the river, the lower area had been inundated. There was even a lead shot making tower on site, which was used to produce shot for Shrapnel shells in WW1.
4:42 Actually, within the lore of the O'Brian (Aubrey/Maturin) series, it *is* supposed to be the same HMS Surprise. Hamilton's cutting out of HMS Hermione after her mutiny is mentioned multiple times throughout the books, and Captain Hamilton's Surprise is always explained (either implicitly or explicitly) to be the same one they're (usually) aboard at that time under Aubrey's command.
Hey Drach, As a side note, there is a tradition in the US of including some fittings or other artifacts of a pervious ship in the next ship to bear its name. Not saying this happened with CV-6 to CVN-65, but My understanding is it has happened with CVN-65 to CVN-80.
Some of the port holes in the CVN-65's captains in-port cabin and conference room were from the CV-6. Some other artifacts were kept aboard as well. With the CVN-80, its more directly using steel reprocessed from CVN-65. I believe the same portholes are also going to be apart of CVN-80
A few of the portholes on CV-6 were actually installed on CVN-65, and they are going to now be installed on CVN-80. Also, CVN-80 is going to incorporate steel from CVN-65. So there is going to plenty for future Drachinfel's to have fun with when it comes to Navy theories surrounding CVN-80 200 years from now.
Diesel Engines in aircraft - Diesel and Petrol have very similar energy density by weight, which likely negates some of the advantages in an aircraft. I'd have thought that lower flammability would have been it's major attraction, the reduced risks of fires/explosions could be very tempting
About the 1700t heavier Nelsons: 8 boilers take about 80 ft. (According to some blueprint i've found) Thats 20ft for a pair of boilers, which is about 6m 6m×9,2m×32m is about 1785t, which is 1750 long tons. Since the underwater profile of the nelsons isnt a brick and because the boilers are not at the "brickyest" section of the ship, you can probably assume that this number might even be decreased under 1500t. 200t should be enough for slightly bigger turbine, engine room and so on. 2 boilers more will give you 56000shp instead of 45000shp. Since on trial the nelsons reached 23,6 ish on trials with 46000shp there is quit a big potential (and the ship is longer=less resistance) Is there anything I am missing? Is the ship at the boiler room section without any superstructure negatively boyant under normal conditions? Would 10 boilers need 2 funnels?
Indeed the NARA Catalog is a frustrating search tool. Partially due to archivist not understanding the content they have in hand. Case in point I found design documentation for pre-war PT boats in a box of “hydrofoil” design documents. There is a very small chance that the Naval Historical Command has WWII documents in their possession. But, theoretically all of this was turned over to NARA in the 1970s. There is a significant possibility that a document from the period no longer exists. NARA simply did not have the space to hold all of the documents the US Navy turned over to them. NARA proceeded to destroy documents that they felt had no historical significance. How they made this determination is another mystery onto itself.
Would bulletin of ordinance 2-41 not be in the NARA archives under NAID: 6570037 contained in one of the boxes labeled with the appropriate year? Or in the box with the appropriate filling number code?
32:46 there’s two ways to pronounce Patuxent river Naval Air testing and evaluation center Pa-tuck-sent river Or as those in the service call it. NĀS Packs river.
3:04:40 Ah foreign pronunciations; trip us up every time. Patuxent River name comes from the Algonquin language of Native American tribes from that area and is pronounced (by locals; not sure what the original native pronunciation would have been) like puh-tuhk-snt.
WHAT!? I don't think I've ever heard it said out loud before today (and incorrectly then, it seems), but I've read it hundreds of times. I thought it was "puh-TOO-sent"...
Prest or not in the Napoleonic War. My numbers are 15.2 % were 'Prest', 1.1 % were Civil Power men and 3.7 % is now many men I can not find. These are the numbers for HMS Temeraire at the Battle of Trafalgar. Of the 108 'Prest', 87 are definate 'Prest' and the others have a change of heart... (either Prest then Volunteer or Volunteer then Prest). A volunteer Landsman would receive £1./10 as a bonus, an Ordinary would get £2./10 and Able Seaman £5.
Q: I know it’s a bit outside of the channel’s timeframe but my great uncle served on USS Hancock CVA-12 in the 1970s and I never got a chance to ask him about what he did before he passed do you think you could give me a rundown on what the ship did during this time?
True, bit their weight and volume is already part of the ships overall displacement, being present, it prevents water from occupying that volume in the way it would in a void space.
@@Drachinifel A loaded bunker of steam coal is around 800 kg/m3, the coal's actual volume is around 80% of the space occupied. You've made me look up stuff and learn something, you're a better teacher than most I've had. (we kids were tossing home heating fuel at floating empty coke bottles in fresh water)
LOL political agenda in documentaries is always there, so let's hope, sincerely hope that Disney never attempts a Midway Movie. You can just see it now, Halsey can't go with the carriers to the battle because SHE'S pregnant and about to give berth.
2:02:33 Anyone visiting England has to realise that UK road network is heavily overloaded, often with speed restrictions, I'd certainly not recommend some-one from abroad trying a notional tour of UK museums in short order, I know friends, who migrated to the USA and Canada in the 1990 / 2000s, who on return to visit find travel in UK stressful in extreme. That's why I laugh at people who post nonsense like you travel in Texas for 11 hours and not leave the State, My view I've done similar in UK, but other than an idiot why would you want to.
Was there not a WW2 joke about a Texan GI boasting in an East Anglian country pub about how big Texas was and how you could get on a train ride all day and still be in Texas. One of the locals then pipes up and says we have trains like that too.
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1:47:24 Honestly rather amazed that you refrained from the phrasing, "Yeah, diesel-powered aircraft just never really took off".
When I went through Fire Control Tech A School at Great Lakes in the mid 1980's, some half a dozen optical range finders were in the school plaza for us to play with. 30X magnification was the most that I recall on those machines, and it makes sense for several reasons. First, high magnification allows you to look further away but too much of it and you'll be trying to look over the horizon which a line-of-sight device cannot do. Also, the mountings of these rangefinders was interesting; some of them hanging in gimbals with the spotter scope also having its own stabilizing. However- the higher the magnification, the more difficult it is to track the target at range- especially in the pitching and rolling environment of a warship. The lower the magnification, the easier it is to track the target at long distance... but it fills less of your field of vision and you need a split silhouette to find range and thus higher magnification. It's a fine balance.
@@jackgee3200even though little comprehension lightens my brow, I wish I'd said that haha
Yes, what a fantastic idea to put out rangefinders for students to fiddle about with.
@@jackgee3200 Yeah, we called our gyro, 'R2D2'. Funny thing is that the tech you're speaking about coincided with radar development which, by 1940, rendered optical systems obsolete and relegated to secondary back-up systems. The synchro/servo analog computer (the Mk 68 is a good example) combined with gyro stabilization and FC radar tracking (be it doppler or nutating) was just too quick and accurate to bother with us guys staring through weird looking pipes.
The question on Helena's ROF motivated me to look at the USN action reports for Kula Gulf. Helena's captain estimated that her 6-inch battery fired between 1000-1100 yards in 6-7 minutes of fire, so a bit less than 100 rds/min over that time. But Honolulu's gunnery officer reported firing 172 rounds in 1.7 minutes and then 220 rounds in 2.5 minutes of firing--so right around the 100 rd/min mark. Opening ranges were less that 7,000 yards, promoting rapid firing. Both ship used continuous fire (rather than salvo fire). As an aside, most accounts mention Helena running through her stock of flashless powder, as S E Morison mentions this as contributing to her torpedoing. But it seems that all three cruisers in the action had only limited stocks of flashless powder and probably ran through them very quickly in the first minute or two of firing. Added to that, there's a good possibility that Japanese torpedoes were in the water before the stocks of flashless powder were exhausted.
HMS Prince certainly had a very long life, its fascinating to think that before Trafalgar Nelson or another sailor might have witnessed a ship that could trace its routes back to the reign of Charles II and only a few years after the Dutch raid on the River Medway.
Of course as you mentioned some wooden ships of the line did also survive long periods of time, with some noticable examples being HMS Nile, which was launched in 1839 and survived as a training ship until 1953, when she unfortunately ran aground on the way to a refit, having served for 114 years, while HMS Cornwallis survived for a whopping 144 years, from 1813 to 1957, but was converted into a jetty in the 1860s so would have been unrecognisable by the end.
Regarding the "Brown M&Ms" segment. My RUclips "Brown M&Ms" is when I see a recommended video that is titled "The Amazing Story of USS XYZ....", or "The Shocking sinking of XYZ...", or something like that. When I did watch them in the past, rarely if ever are the stories "Shocking" or "Amazing". Ya know, it was amazing that destroyer sunk cause it got hit amidships by a 16" shell. No, what would be amazing is if it got hit amidships by a 16" shell and didn't sink. Now I just ignore them. They're just trying to get clicks.
The second part of a Drydock had dropped - time to get a beer in my local and sit by the fire whilst I listen to it
That's exactly what I'm doing right now 🎉🎉🎉
You’re going to sit in a pub sipping a beer for 3 hours not talking to anyone?
@@andrewpease3688You can always drink more beer
@@andrewpease3688 When I was single, I kept out of pubs unless I was going with a group (eg at lunchtime or after ours with work colleagues), so I understand your sentiment. Now when I go into our local (Ironically for this particular dry dock called Sovereign of the Seas - our local 'spoons, not too far from Drachland) with my wife, we often use our phones for language lessons, and I quite often see people alone with a drink. Maybe it's a British thing, perhaps US people are more gregarious! Given what we do with our phones without interacting with each other for long periods I can certainly envisage someone popping into their local to keep warm and watch a Drydock or two with some appropriate refreshment.
What was your pint?
Regarding rangefinder magnification: learning that rangefiders had something like 20-25-30x magnification and owning a 50x10-30 binocular (unstabilized) gave me A WHOLE NEW UNDERSTANDING of the importance of being a stable platform (ie slow gentle roll) and not having vibration transmitted through the hull. Thank you.
Barry Gough deals deals with Beatty's funeral in 'Churchill and Fisher' (p.501). According to Gough, Jellicoe's widow was incensed that Beatty was placed beside Jellicoe, complaining to Ernle Chatfield, who was then First Sea Lord. Gough writes that Jellicoe was buried in the 'naval' corner of the Cathedral, implying that it would have been odd for Beatty to have been placed elsewhere.
So if I'm understanding Drach's response correctly, the US Navy *designed* a lot of battlecruisers, *started building* two classes Lexington and Alaska, and only *completed* one class, Alaskas.
1:48:00 On the subject of an Amerikabomber designed with diesels, the Luftwaffe had a perennial problem with getting *any* new, good piston engines - let alone diesel-powered ones. Lot of interesting projects were designed around engines that never actually got past prototype - like the infamous Jumo 222 (or HeS 011 in the case of jets) - and ended up using inferior engines as a result.
One thing that I have always wondered on the Allied side is the ground-side consequences of fuels with very high octane ratings to greatly improve performance. Part of this was done by chemically 'cracking' long-chain components into shorter chains and additionally removing components that tended to cause corrosion or 'gumming'. But they also put a whole lot of additives that even then were known to be viciously toxic - like Tetraethyl Lead. I have seen at least one document that mentions: "Higher relative toxicity of the fuel necessitates more careful handling". Anyone know of situations where this toxicity had real-world consequences?
Sound more like an Rex's Hangar or even more a Greg's automobiles and airplanes question. I know for sure Greg has looked into high octane fuels and it's performance (although mostly NACA research I would say), he might have stumbled along handling manuals along the way. As an engine nut, it is for sure right up his alley though.
@@Tuning3434 The reason I wonder is that - as a UK citizen in my mid-50s - I spent many years walking to school in a haze of vapourised lead compounds. How much dumber am I than than I would have been growing up post-ban on lead additives?
There was a study on crime levels and they noticed a dramatic decrease after the ban on lead in car fuel. Now, correlation is not causation, and there were other contributors. But still ....
As a trained SCUBA diver, I suggest you have at least one safety diver on hand for your "swimming" in plate mail experiment. And if you already don't have experience with breathing through a SCUBA regulator, please get some practice in first. That way, if you find yourself underwater and the safety diver hands you a regulator mouthpiece, you know how to use it and are comfortable with using it. You might also learn the underwater hand signals for divers.
One of the first training sessions I had, my instructor had us take our fins off and try to swim with just our booties on our feet. It was a marked decrease in forward motion from kicking my feet. I imagine if I had also the weight of an air tank, a buoyancy compensation device (BCD), and the weights used to maintain neutral buoyancy, then it would have been even more of a struggle (without any air in the BCD).
Is there a standard sign for "help, I am sinking and my greaves are stuck"?
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IMO, the Canadian flag is one of the most visible brown M&Ms in WWI, WWII, and Korean War histories: If you see the Maple Leaf flag instead of the Red Ensign, put your skeptical glasses on. Once you notice this, you can never not notice it.
I wonder if you can find the Battlecruiser 1919 detailed design studies sitting in a file cabinet next to the crated Ark of the Covenant in the warehouse at the end of the Indiana Jones movie. 😉
There is a proposal called Design G-5 light carrier (9.800tons) in 1932. Sadly there are no specifications and drawings of it but judging by it, I guess it might've been an reduced version of the Ryujo.
Drach, while the experiments regarding boarding actions in armor sound interesting, for all of our sakes, please don’t forget the aphorism “Every knight can be a submarine once.”
2:00:00 according to official navy history, the portholes from the captains import cabin on CVN - 65 were reused from CV 6. They were saved and are going to be reused on CVN - 80. So other than her nameplate, parts of the gray ghost are still around.
Yet, another great video, continue your great vids and stories
Really hope Ultimate Admiral does fast battleships eventually. Would be great to have all the AA and radar.
They do actually
@jack80721 Really, what's the game called?
@jack80721 do they! What's the game called? I'm way too excited now!
In regards to the idea of building an on-land replica of a medieval warship for some experimental archaeology, it occurs to me that this sort of thing might be right up Tod's Workshop's alley. Perhaps a 3-way collab with Tod, Matt Easton, and Drach? Maybe Tod might be able to find a weird weapon from history with a naval connection! It's certainly worth an ask I'd think; I'm sure you'd all have a total blast with it.
The idea of a video on boarding actions sounds good to me. I'd certainly watch that video.
The Electropult was at "pat-TUX-ent" River Naval Air Station (NAVAIR) in Maryland on the Chesapeake Bay, right down the road from me. Also nearby are Dahlgren and Indian Head--two other US Naval test centers. They have very interesting museums.
The new Ford-class carriers have electromagnetic launchers, IIRC.
1:54:00 if your going to do that do find a pool that is only shoulder deep. So you can swim and tread water but also stand up.
2:29:23 perhaps the best hulls for conversion would've been Inflexible, Indomitable, New Zealand and Australia. Resembling some form of upscaled Hermes.
The artist depicting a whaling operation had marvellous nimble, supple and leaping models that day for his painting. Nor rattling knees to hamper the vaulting upon their aquatic mount!
As much as I would love a special dedicated to medieval naval combat Drach... I would be very worried for your safety if you tried experimenting with swimming with armor in any amount of water. Every year it seems in Michigan there are reports of people accidentally falling into various lakea and rivers while wearing steel-toed boats, only to drown when they cant doff the boots quickly enough. And thats just modern boots.
1:28:55
What I want out of each and every one of you is a hard-target search of every graving dock, drydock, slipway, dockway, spillway, docking pier, canal, and dryslip across this entire planet.
33:29 - Lions Led by Donkeys Episode 290 goes into some detail on the Mongol Invasion. They're a little bit superficial compared to Drachinifel, but they get the broad strokes right. Probably worth a listen.
TBH, the perfect example of the difference between land warfare asymmetry and sea warfare is probably demonstrated best by Sweden and Switzerland. Switzerland has been more or less a non-starter conquest-wise for centuries despite their very small footprint, because their geographical advantage means they could make the most vital parts of their war economy incredibly costly to neutralize through widespread compulsory service (and armament, frankly), plentiful fortified strongpoints and aggressively mined access tunnels through the otherwise impassable mountains between cantons, which in the context of Europe means that essentially not one of their hawkish neighbors ever determined that cost reasonable against the gains. Sweden on the other hand takes advantage of the multitude of islands to emplace a layered, but dynamic defense which would cause substantial losses *or* an extended, unacceptable commitment of force to defeat by a *small* naval adversary. That defense relies upon the good graces of the largest naval powers, as they historically did not take an interest in conquering Sweden and any other potential adversary - i.e. Russia - would have left themselves unacceptably vulnerable to said large navies if they ever attempted to neutralize Sweden's navy and coastal defenses and subsequently prosecute an invasion over the sea. Sweden's safety relies not only upon the merits of their war preparations, but also careful diplomatic positioning with regards to the largest, most dangerous naval powers.
I'd like to thank my employer for paying me to listen to almost 6 hours of Drydock today. 🤫😅
For the Courageous built question, you ignore that having them or not would change the treaty. I don't see the US and Japan letting the UK get purpose built carriers of the same tonnage as their conversions. More likely is, assuming the clause is still in the treaty, the UK gets to build two carriers to the new purpose built maximum tonnage.
Best opening tune on RUclips. Are any extant pieces of music for what they played on drums signaling or even just to change the watch? It’d be awesome to play those
wrt the two questions about the Courageouses, my first thought is that the cruiser fleet tonnage limits of First London would make it imperative the Courageouses be scrapped as soon as possible, as each Courageous scrapped would make tonnage available to build three new cruisers. On the other hand, by the time of First London, the Deutschland was building, and the Admiralty might think the Courageouses were the perfect thing to kill Deutschlands.
As for a no Courageouses at all scenario, Jackie had tried to have a third Renown class, probably as Resistance, built, but his request was refused. The turrets were in hand, from the cancelled R-class ships. They probably would have ended up on monitors, or used on Hood, instead of the Mk II turrets being built from scratch. Regarding the impact on naval aviation, the Washington treaty does allow conversion of two ships that would otherwise be scrapped to be converted. The Wiki article on the G3s says there is no photographic evidence any of them were actually laid down. The G3s were so huge that they could probably not be cut down enough to get under the 33,000 limit anyway. The Lions were scheduled to be scrapped for treaty compliance. They are significantly shorter, and a bit beamier, than the Courageouses. Fit a modern, oil fired, plant, and their speed might be improved significantly. But the cost would probably be so great that the Admiralty would probably be better off building a clean sheet design. Without the Corageouses, something like Ark Royal would probably have been built in the late 20s.
And here is Part Deux. Saturday night is officially here.
03:00:50 Gun pits at Elswick and Barbette assembly pits at the old Scotswood works in Newcastle existed until the plants closed in late 1960s, the large gun pits were floored over, so turrets like 4.5 inch, and later Destroyer turrets, could be assembled, but being close to the river, the lower area had been inundated. There was even a lead shot making tower on site, which was used to produce shot for Shrapnel shells in WW1.
4:42 Actually, within the lore of the O'Brian (Aubrey/Maturin) series, it *is* supposed to be the same HMS Surprise. Hamilton's cutting out of HMS Hermione after her mutiny is mentioned multiple times throughout the books, and Captain Hamilton's Surprise is always explained (either implicitly or explicitly) to be the same one they're (usually) aboard at that time under Aubrey's command.
56:00 - Seems the other French and Spanish ships looked like [DATA EXPUNGED]
Hey Drach,
As a side note, there is a tradition in the US of including some fittings or other artifacts of a pervious ship in the next ship to bear its name. Not saying this happened with CV-6 to CVN-65, but My understanding is it has happened with CVN-65 to CVN-80.
Some of the port holes in the CVN-65's captains in-port cabin and conference room were from the CV-6. Some other artifacts were kept aboard as well. With the CVN-80, its more directly using steel reprocessed from CVN-65. I believe the same portholes are also going to be apart of CVN-80
Got to love Kamchatka.
1:26:00
This seems a more faithful execution of the intention of the _Atlanta_ class than the _Atlanta_ class was.
One of the often overlooked areas of reference is to gain access to government contracts of either purchase, replacement, or resupply.
I spoke to the USS Kidd RUclips channel. They would love to collab with you while they are in Drydock.
47:49 where’s the bridge on those things? I know the bow is to the left
Cutting out operations.. "the british did it best.". meanwhile the Dutch at Chatham: "are we just joking around here or what ?"..
Cutting out is targeted operations in small boats.
Stealing a fleet is a whole other level of operations 😀
On the question about the Courageous-class, I wonder how different that would be with HMS Furious taken into account?
A few of the portholes on CV-6 were actually installed on CVN-65, and they are going to now be installed on CVN-80. Also, CVN-80 is going to incorporate steel from CVN-65. So there is going to plenty for future Drachinfel's to have fun with when it comes to Navy theories surrounding CVN-80 200 years from now.
Thanks Drach.
The Junkers 86 was a successful high-level reconnaissance/bomber aircraft powered by diesels.
Diesel Engines in aircraft - Diesel and Petrol have very similar energy density by weight, which likely negates some of the advantages in an aircraft.
I'd have thought that lower flammability would have been it's major attraction, the reduced risks of fires/explosions could be very tempting
the british and french built ships with electricity, the USA built a powerplant with guns 2:24:17
2:46 HMS Terrible's captain just decided to go water skiing, that's all.
@32:50, Patuxent River. Just like its spelled Pat+Tux+Ent, nothing fancy.
About the 1700t heavier Nelsons:
8 boilers take about 80 ft. (According to some blueprint i've found)
Thats 20ft for a pair of boilers, which is about 6m
6m×9,2m×32m is about 1785t, which is 1750 long tons.
Since the underwater profile of the nelsons isnt a brick and because the boilers are not at the "brickyest" section of the ship, you can probably assume that this number might even be decreased under 1500t. 200t should be enough for slightly bigger turbine, engine room and so on. 2 boilers more will give you 56000shp instead of 45000shp. Since on trial the nelsons reached 23,6 ish on trials with 46000shp there is quit a big potential (and the ship is longer=less resistance)
Is there anything I am missing? Is the ship at the boiler room section without any superstructure negatively boyant under normal conditions?
Would 10 boilers need 2 funnels?
From what I've read of Jones's departure from Russian service, it was less "court intrigue" and more "Jones being a child rapist".
Binoculars increase in power when Rozhestvensky has to throw them further to hit Kamchatka…
@1:55 confusing one ship with another? Reminds me of RMS Titanic and RMS Olympic.
Indeed the NARA Catalog is a frustrating search tool. Partially due to archivist not understanding the content they have in hand. Case in point I found design documentation for pre-war PT boats in a box of “hydrofoil” design documents. There is a very small chance that the Naval Historical Command has WWII documents in their possession. But, theoretically all of this was turned over to NARA in the 1970s. There is a significant possibility that a document from the period no longer exists. NARA simply did not have the space to hold all of the documents the US Navy turned over to them. NARA proceeded to destroy documents that they felt had no historical significance. How they made this determination is another mystery onto itself.
29:00 Probably the one where that Japanese sub was rammed, and 2 of its crew attempted to jump onto the Allied ship.
could you do dendro-chronology on a ship without compromising the structure?
Would bulletin of ordinance 2-41 not be in the NARA archives under NAID: 6570037 contained in one of the boxes labeled with the appropriate year? Or in the box with the appropriate filling number code?
32:46 there’s two ways to pronounce Patuxent river Naval Air testing and evaluation center
Pa-tuck-sent river
Or as those in the service call it.
NĀS Packs river.
How can I get the dry-dock theme tune as my phones ringtone? I need this in my life. please help. 😎
3:04:40 Ah foreign pronunciations; trip us up every time. Patuxent River name comes from the Algonquin language of Native American tribes from that area and is pronounced (by locals; not sure what the original native pronunciation would have been) like puh-tuhk-snt.
I'm grinding through Italian Battships in WoW Legends, 13 heavy guns, what's not to like?
Surely a Japanese naval officer used his sword at some point during World War 2.
The Naval Air Test Center at Paw-Tux-Ent River.
would Diesel engines be useful on the Walrus? Performance is not that a priority. having no aviation fuel on Cruisers sounds safer.
37:26 Of course it would be infinitely worse! The Kamchatka would be there !:-)
Re: French ships at Trafalgar
Does Marryat comment on this at any point in his books?
At 33, “PAH-tucks -it” is the pronunciation.
WHAT!? I don't think I've ever heard it said out loud before today (and incorrectly then, it seems), but I've read it hundreds of times. I thought it was "puh-TOO-sent"...
Prest or not in the Napoleonic War. My numbers are 15.2 % were 'Prest', 1.1 % were Civil Power men and 3.7 % is now many men I can not find. These are the numbers for HMS Temeraire at the Battle of Trafalgar. Of the 108 'Prest', 87 are definate 'Prest' and the others have a change of heart... (either Prest then Volunteer or Volunteer then Prest). A volunteer Landsman would receive £1./10 as a bonus, an Ordinary would get £2./10 and Able Seaman £5.
Q: I know it’s a bit outside of the channel’s timeframe but my great uncle served on USS Hancock CVA-12 in the 1970s and I never got a chance to ask him about what he did before he passed do you think you could give me a rundown on what the ship did during this time?
Six hours in dry dock today! My yacht is hardly in harbour more than that.
2:22:54 Jo ray gee berry
USSR converted some heavy bombers toi diesel as well
917,304 and counting (over 100,000 an hour)... SIGN THE BLOODY PETITION!!!
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re coal bunker Lumps of coal tossed into water sink
True, bit their weight and volume is already part of the ships overall displacement, being present, it prevents water from occupying that volume in the way it would in a void space.
@@Drachinifel A loaded bunker of steam coal is around 800 kg/m3, the coal's actual volume is around 80% of the space occupied. You've made me look up stuff and learn something, you're a better teacher than most I've had. (we kids were tossing home heating fuel at floating empty coke bottles in fresh water)
LOL political agenda in documentaries is always there, so let's hope, sincerely hope that Disney never attempts a Midway Movie. You can just see it now, Halsey can't go with the carriers to the battle because SHE'S pregnant and about to give berth.
02:29:23 Re Vanguard that would depends how far along the turrets of the Rs were along.
2:02:33 Anyone visiting England has to realise that UK road network is heavily overloaded, often with speed restrictions, I'd certainly not recommend some-one from abroad trying a notional tour of UK museums in short order, I know friends, who migrated to the USA and Canada in the 1990 / 2000s, who on return to visit find travel in UK stressful in extreme. That's why I laugh at people who post nonsense like you travel in Texas for 11 hours and not leave the State, My view I've done similar in UK, but other than an idiot why would you want to.
Was there not a WW2 joke about a Texan GI boasting in an East Anglian country pub about how big Texas was and how you could get on a train ride all day and still be in Texas. One of the locals then pipes up and says we have trains like that too.
A lot of it these days depends on the time of day and direction of travel
Thanks Drach