Not every son follows his father. I don't care for Gavin's CC or his Old Earth position. But other than that, he's pretty conservative all the way around, as far as I can tell. Lots of other truly conservative people have OE views (Wayne Grudem; RC Sproul was silent on the question). Some other conservatives might actually be convinced by CC arguments. No need to blame Gavin's father for Gavin's views.
@@Tim.Foster123 what about Gavin saying Noah’s flood was local. It seems Gavin wants to use science to make the Bible be true. So the last thing I heard is Gavin believes in some type of evolution. I predict in 10 years or less Gavin will be going through his 2nd deconstruction. Because science will never agree with the resurrection.
I used to go to Immanuel and I also wasn't thrilled with Ray's post about Harris. But I do need to point out that you greatly misinterpreted his post from 2021. He didn't say the "Bible Belt Region"...you misread that....he said "Bible Belt Religion". This was something he talked about all the time and his point in doing so was to say that in the Bible Belt, there are too many people who go to church on Sunday, live by a few moral rules, and call themselves christians without having any fruit of the Spirit in their lives. He continuously called for our churches to not be lukewarm but to be bold for the gospel and to exemplify Christ in all that we do....this is what he means by "Gospel Culture" and not just the stagnant "Bible Belt Religion"....basically the same point you were making about having a christian culture. Feel free to hate him all you want, but do a better job at your investigative journalism. I'm not sure what the point of this channel is, but from what I've seen you seem to enjoy slandering christians who disagree with you and tearing down the body instead of building it up.
Sad that someone doesn't align with you on every opinion you could have? That doesn't share every policy? The truly sad thing here is that you would let something so trivial distract you from all the beautiful praiseworthy things of a wonderful brother in Christ. Have you ever sought to honor someone in your church? Or are you dissuaded by their depravity and inevitable failings. We are all depraved and desperate for Jesus. WAKE UP. What a sad narrow existence to be oblivious to glories of God in the people around us assuming that to be a true christian you have to be perfect. We are all doing our best. I'm a conservative but more than that I'm an sinful idiot clinging to Jesus
@@turnattack9159 You should ask before speaking and judging. The "sad" comment is because he disagrees with Jesus, not because he disagrees with me. "Sought to honor someone in my church"...? Like you're seeking to honor me? Or did my depravity dissuade you? Friend - I don't think you're even listening to yourself. If you were serious, you might want to practice what you preach. Be careful when you assume. (I spent hours on the phone yesterday with a friend who was struggling with a strong desire to cheat on his wife, inches away from throwing away his faith for the sweet comfort of an adultress. Does that sound to you like someone with a sad and narrow existence, oblivious to the glories of God? By the grace of God, he decided to block her number, delete her photos and committed to the painful task of trying to rebuild his relationship with his wife.)
How could you skip, among your litany of "not-Christian" cultures, the glaring example modern Turkey (previous seat of the Ottoman Empire) -- a region the Apostle Paul and early Christians evangelized and established churches which are described in New Testament scriptures? A stark monument to the subversion is the Hagia Sophia cathedral.
@@evangelicaldarkweb State Finds ‘Substantial Evidence’ for Retaliation Charge at Illinois Church Dane Ortlund Whistleblower Speaks Out on Workplace Bullying
@@evangelicaldarkweb it concerns me as a character matter, not because I think it belongs in the courts. Apparently for whatever reason this woman who was very well regarded in her church rubbed him the wrong way and he seems to have ginned up a dishonest case for getting rid of her.
@@evangelicaldarkweb I guess you support priests and pastors advising congregation which way to vote. Unfortunately, some are easily influenced, and faith should not be co-opted into the skulduggery of politics.
Ray's dad was in the ministry. Gavin is the third generation of nepotism. Speaking of Maryland being in the Bible belt, I was pastor of First Baptist Delmar for a while. The Eastern Shore and the Western counties are close to Bible belt in culture. They will also let you know what side of the Mason-Dixon line they are on.
Nepotism huh? Forget their individual excellent academic achievements and doctorates and tested ministry in their own unique environments. Forget that statistically it's very common that pastors who were exposed to their father's ministry end up pursuing ministry themselves. But oh no! Gavin was exposed to Ray's love for the Lord and decided to serve the church too. What evil is this???
@@evangelicaldarkweb The bible belt has been notably terrible. Higher teen pregnancy, abortion, murder, and adultery rates than the rest of the country. higher rates of crime. Far more people in church, but far less christians. If we are concerned about the false gospels of this world, the "bible belt" created and promoted many of them, that are still alive today. Works salvation, prosperity gospel, they are alive and well in the bible belt. Like the commentor above, we need to pray and work to destroy the false religion of the bible belt and call them to Christ
@@evangelicaldarkweb ? but it is. Evangelical christians (self-named) in the bible belt have higher divorce, adultery, abortion rates etc... than the national/state averages
Ray has always been conservative. I'm sure that Jesus is smiling down on your ministry to expose and shame his beloved children that he died for, and slandering entire churches. They make up his bride. Are you perfect? Is the church perfect? You can't imagine the depravity and sin that we hold. There are so many ways that churches mess up and are imperfect. It's not hard to find. I hate pharisaical slander and prideful shaming. Compare that to how humble and honest Ray is about his brokenness and failings and desperation for Jesus. Who is closer to the Kingdom of God? (which isn't America btw).
@@evangelicaldarkweb are you really that dense to think that all you did wrong was call him a liberal? you don't even need to watch 30 seconds to hear you call the church that he pastors "the worst church in America." That is incredibly damning to his character and legitimacy as a christian, and that is just the beginning of your implications and lack of integrity in researching and presenting this topic.
@@evangelicaldarkweb What the heck are you talking about? Russel Moore was never hired or paid. You're saying that if one christian you disagree with attends a church, you would hate that church?? You are seriously out of line in your thinking. You sound just like a pharisee and you're not concerned with integrity to the truth in your dialogue at all.
This explains why Gavin Ortlund nonsense on climate change. I read Ray is the Grandfather to Gavin.
It's his father
@@Pastor_Grant I wonder if the grandfather Ray Sr. was also such a big lib.
Not every son follows his father.
I don't care for Gavin's CC or his Old Earth position. But other than that, he's pretty conservative all the way around, as far as I can tell.
Lots of other truly conservative people have OE views (Wayne Grudem; RC Sproul was silent on the question). Some other conservatives might actually be convinced by CC arguments.
No need to blame Gavin's father for Gavin's views.
No, Ray Jr is Gavin's father. Ray Sr is deceased and started the family off in this media church direction, deeply tied to politics.
@@Tim.Foster123 what about Gavin saying Noah’s flood was local. It seems Gavin wants to use science to make the Bible be true. So the last thing I heard is Gavin believes in some type of evolution. I predict in 10 years or less Gavin will be going through his 2nd deconstruction. Because science will never agree with the resurrection.
Dude you look like a warewolf. I am subscribed. Hoo Yah!!!
Bro got shocked by lightning and then hit record
I like to call it Christianity Astray.
I used to go to Immanuel and I also wasn't thrilled with Ray's post about Harris. But I do need to point out that you greatly misinterpreted his post from 2021. He didn't say the "Bible Belt Region"...you misread that....he said "Bible Belt Religion". This was something he talked about all the time and his point in doing so was to say that in the Bible Belt, there are too many people who go to church on Sunday, live by a few moral rules, and call themselves christians without having any fruit of the Spirit in their lives. He continuously called for our churches to not be lukewarm but to be bold for the gospel and to exemplify Christ in all that we do....this is what he means by "Gospel Culture" and not just the stagnant "Bible Belt Religion"....basically the same point you were making about having a christian culture. Feel free to hate him all you want, but do a better job at your investigative journalism. I'm not sure what the point of this channel is, but from what I've seen you seem to enjoy slandering christians who disagree with you and tearing down the body instead of building it up.
I don't know Ray, but I like Gavin's YT channel.
I was open to Ray's first post being sarcasm. But the 2nd post closes that door.
Sad.
Sad that someone doesn't align with you on every opinion you could have? That doesn't share every policy? The truly sad thing here is that you would let something so trivial distract you from all the beautiful praiseworthy things of a wonderful brother in Christ. Have you ever sought to honor someone in your church? Or are you dissuaded by their depravity and inevitable failings. We are all depraved and desperate for Jesus. WAKE UP. What a sad narrow existence to be oblivious to glories of God in the people around us assuming that to be a true christian you have to be perfect. We are all doing our best. I'm a conservative but more than that I'm an sinful idiot clinging to Jesus
@@turnattack9159 You should ask before speaking and judging.
The "sad" comment is because he disagrees with Jesus, not because he disagrees with me.
"Sought to honor someone in my church"...? Like you're seeking to honor me? Or did my depravity dissuade you?
Friend - I don't think you're even listening to yourself. If you were serious, you might want to practice what you preach.
Be careful when you assume.
(I spent hours on the phone yesterday with a friend who was struggling with a strong desire to cheat on his wife, inches away from throwing away his faith for the sweet comfort of an adultress. Does that sound to you like someone with a sad and narrow existence, oblivious to the glories of God?
By the grace of God, he decided to block her number, delete her photos and committed to the painful task of trying to rebuild his relationship with his wife.)
How could you skip, among your litany of "not-Christian" cultures, the glaring example modern Turkey (previous seat of the Ottoman Empire) -- a region the Apostle Paul and early Christians evangelized and established churches which are described in New Testament scriptures? A stark monument to the subversion is the Hagia Sophia cathedral.
I seem to recall Ottomans expelling Christians at one point.
@@theelizabethan1 Asia Minor was converted to Islam through oppression including shutting down of churches
I've been in the Haigai Sophia twice. Pretty impressive place.
Are you going to look into Dane Ortlund, the other son?
The scandal surrounding his firing of a long-term church employee which led to a couple of elders bailing out on him is interesting.
Can you send me the details?
@@evangelicaldarkweb State Finds ‘Substantial Evidence’ for Retaliation Charge at Illinois Church
Dane Ortlund Whistleblower Speaks Out on Workplace Bullying
Looked it up. Seems like a liberal objection as retaliation firing are only illegal because of the civil rights regime. Some people are snowflakes.
@@evangelicaldarkweb it concerns me as a character matter, not because I think it belongs in the courts. Apparently for whatever reason this woman who was very well regarded in her church rubbed him the wrong way and he seems to have ginned up a dishonest case for getting rid of her.
Good video.
Yes, shaming other christians and the bride of christ. Very cool. We are all depraved and desperate for Jesus.
The US is a mess religion & politics should not be mixed.
We're a mess because they aren't mixed enough.
@@evangelicaldarkweb I guess you support priests and pastors advising congregation
which way to vote. Unfortunately, some are easily influenced, and faith should not be co-opted into the skulduggery of politics.
Ray's dad was in the ministry. Gavin is the third generation of nepotism.
Speaking of Maryland being in the Bible belt, I was pastor of First Baptist Delmar for a while. The Eastern Shore and the Western counties are close to Bible belt in culture. They will also let you know what side of the Mason-Dixon line they are on.
Nepotism huh? Forget their individual excellent academic achievements and doctorates and tested ministry in their own unique environments. Forget that statistically it's very common that pastors who were exposed to their father's ministry end up pursuing ministry themselves. But oh no! Gavin was exposed to Ray's love for the Lord and decided to serve the church too. What evil is this???
Is he related to Dane ortlund
@@nappyboyhooper1626 Ray Jr. Is the dad of Gavin and Dane
Go to Boulder Colorado
But Coach Prime?
The Bible belt isn't a great thing. Lot of false Christians. Matthew 7:21-23 is what many in the Bible belt will face.
Not great for them, but still great for everyone else.
@@evangelicaldarkweb The bible belt has been notably terrible. Higher teen pregnancy, abortion, murder, and adultery rates than the rest of the country. higher rates of crime. Far more people in church, but far less christians. If we are concerned about the false gospels of this world, the "bible belt" created and promoted many of them, that are still alive today. Works salvation, prosperity gospel, they are alive and well in the bible belt. Like the commentor above, we need to pray and work to destroy the false religion of the bible belt and call them to Christ
Look in to the demographics of the data you reference. It's not Bible Belt culture you are talking about.
@@evangelicaldarkweb ? but it is. Evangelical christians (self-named) in the bible belt have higher divorce, adultery, abortion rates etc... than the national/state averages
Ray has always been conservative. I'm sure that Jesus is smiling down on your ministry to expose and shame his beloved children that he died for, and slandering entire churches. They make up his bride. Are you perfect? Is the church perfect? You can't imagine the depravity and sin that we hold. There are so many ways that churches mess up and are imperfect. It's not hard to find. I hate pharisaical slander and prideful shaming. Compare that to how humble and honest Ray is about his brokenness and failings and desperation for Jesus. Who is closer to the Kingdom of God? (which isn't America btw).
Calling some a liberal who endorse Kamala isn't slander.
@@evangelicaldarkweb are you really that dense to think that all you did wrong was call him a liberal? you don't even need to watch 30 seconds to hear you call the church that he pastors "the worst church in America." That is incredibly damning to his character and legitimacy as a christian, and that is just the beginning of your implications and lack of integrity in researching and presenting this topic.
Any church that hires Russell Moore qualifies for worst church in America. We are talking magnitude and direction here.
@@evangelicaldarkweb What the heck are you talking about? Russel Moore was never hired or paid. You're saying that if one christian you disagree with attends a church, you would hate that church?? You are seriously out of line in your thinking. You sound just like a pharisee and you're not concerned with integrity to the truth in your dialogue at all.
Jesus didn't die for communists.
you have to be extremely left wing to support Liz Cheney? What are you smoking?
Name a right wing reason to support Liz Cheney for president?
@@evangelicaldarkweb her not licking Trump's boots doesn't make her left wing.
@@evangelicaldarkweb I don't know, maybe her far right voting record?
She literally endorsed Kamala Harris 💀
Her far right voting record of voting for Democrats?
“Ortland”. Hee hee 🤭🤭. (“Schmortland”) 🥹🥹