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I think they should bring an award like this back and have Jxmy be in charge. ESPN needs this dude
we would loose him and his videos sadly i assume :(
@@rezaeskandari1300we would see them on the espn channel
ESPN sucks.
Nah not ESPN the nba
Get my man on the pat Mcafee deal
Gotta appreciate jimmy for this amount of QUALITY, every video
out of my seven kids one came out as cis. We’re putting that kid up for adoption.
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In the NRL in Australia the MVP (Dally M Award) is done differently. After every game in the season voters vote for the 5 best players on the field, they then get points for that. Whoever has the most points at the end of the season wins. This means if you don't try or rest/injured you won't get the points for each game a miss out on the award. It's a much better system.
It's a better system but probably easier to pull off round by round then with the NBA - though perhaps if some journalists don't watch most games they shouldn't have a vote anyway
Afl has a similar system. I cant remember the last controversy due to this system.
In the Australian Football League (AFL), the Brownlow Medal is awarded to the player who, provided he has not been suspended during the season, receives the most votes from the umpires for being the fairest and best player in games during the home-and-away season.
the Brownlow Medal is the most prestigious award in the AFL just incase anyway was wondering.
This is much better. Media shouldn't be given any sort of voting power.
Yeah but remember this kinda only works so well for us cause we only play 24 games a year in footy, NBA teams play like 3-4 times a week
@@steviegreenthumb4720 I don't see why the number of games is relevant anyway?
I’ve gotta admit man, you really are one of the most complete RUclipsrs on this app. I really don’t think you’ve ever missed.
Except his video that came before this. Biggest miss he's had by a long shot
Always weird seeing RUclips referred to as an app
@@RunningMan1414 isn’t it? But at the end of the day it’s just an app.
he's missed a lot
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I came.
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I have never in my life watched a basketball game, I dont even know the time format lol.
Yet I've seen every single video from this guy for the past 5 years.
Keep up the great work Jimmy, you've got awesome content! 😄
Only one like and 0 comments let me change that
@@Fizzyeditsboiu got 5 too many likes (u have 5 likes at time of reply)
@@Fizzyeditsboiwhat is the point of comments like these?
48 minute game with 12 minute quarters. I have to admit that I also have never watched a basketball game but I love these videos.
They should bring back the award, no voting fatigue no storylines just straight basketball idc what anyone says
just adjust the formula to represent the players better
On the other hand, stats doesn't always paint the whole picture.
We've seen countless times players putting up empty stats on bad teams, or players perform a lot better than their stats show
@@kushberry6679maybe tweak the formula to incorporate the team's record or something
@@drodrig1it already does
@@drodrig1 team record cant represent how andre drummond would be on an all nba team according to basic stats
when its all set in stone jimmy will make youtube hall of fame. His content is always so next level
I love how Jxmy handled the previous "L" by making a video that shows us all that the entire IBM has been wrong for years! At least Jxmy wouldn't make that mistake... 10:15 check it out as this might be the best Jxmy's quote ever!
9:24 i really love the clip playing at the back that just shows how increadible vision both luka and jokic has you can clearly see that jokic saw the play coming and tried to intercept the pass but couldnt quiet reach it
Nah. He's a bad defender with bad defensive instincts. Dude is an insanely good player and the best in the league, but his defense is trash.
Luka saw that Jokic saw it
@@merrd3206 its actually harder to play against jokic because hes a bad defender. you might wonder why teams cant expose nuggets defense and its because if you try to read the defense jokic will do something unexpected because he ISNT a good defender. someone like jaren jackson junior does all the right things making him easy to read and thus exposed by germany.
@@johnmarkson1998this is so so so dumb. this only comes into play like once every 100-200 possessions
@@samparker5488 how is jokic a bad defender? did you watch the 2023 nba playoffs?
God bless you Jimmy. Asking and answering the questions we didn't know we needed to know. Love the channel man, keep it up!
The charts, graphs and so forth you craft for the videos are always helpful.
Love visual representation of your points. Can provide additional context
You’re the perfect RUclipsr man. Your editing is on point, your research is in depth and formative, and your delivery is so entertaining and goddamn funny. 6:21 had me dying 😂😂
It's 1:44 am in PH 🇵🇭 and at the moment I'm enjoying jxmy's another masterpiece 🎉
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Luka in Xylo right now
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The amount of IBMs Lebron would have if the award wasn't discounted in 2002 is the same amount of FMVPs he should have. 7️⃣
4-6
@@asilentrndm3016 If you're talking about the FMVPs, then another JxmyHighroller video says that Lebron was the most valuable player in 7 of his 10 Finals appearances
@@micahheyward5342 Is it 1969?
4-6 lmao
@@micahheyward5342 FMVPs should only be given to the winners or else the other teams that is severely outmatched in the Finals will just give way to their "star" player to at least try to win the award and that would just be chaos.
This is awesome, I had never heard of this award. Thanks for the incredible content Jimmy!
Are we going to point fingers and laugh at how poorly Jimmy's last video aged or just appreciate the man for providing the highest quality content in the bball RUclips space?
It didn’t age poorly, because the arguments are still completely the same and valid. Apart from the fact that the USA came with a B team at best, my German team consisted of various NBA players. NBA champions wouldn’t have lost any 7 game series against any non NBA team on the planet, if somewhat healthy.
second one >:)
@fehCrebO except that the argument was never valid to begin with. The title of world champion isn't something you're given. It's something you earn by beating the world (both on the national and club level). Many people have given great examples from other sports, most notably football and Manchester City. We knew they were the best team on Earth long before they won anything. They still had to go out and do it. Just because the Nuggets would almost certainly win such a competition, doesn't mean they get to crown themselves world champions based on that hypothetical. The main reason you actually have to beat the world is that anything can happen on game day which is exactly what the original comment is referring to hence Jimmy's vid aged like fine milk. He is still a legend though.
@@mrvacepadrva81its jus a title its not that deep bro
@@littyagain9402 you've just won the world championship of being chill.
Off-season content with this level of quality is just brilliant. Jxmy is just awesome. Favourite RUclipsr
jimmy been consistent with the upload recently I love it
as a big man that doesn't see a lot of balls down low, I would love metrics that value my defensive presence and rebounding more than anything. Simply being present is enough to change opponent's mind on driving to the hoop and until today I haven't seen a single metric that values this kinda play
The smarmy look the announcer on the left gives at the beginning of the vid is priceless!
It’s so cool that you did this. Thanks for you effort and content
Jimmy consistently puts out amazing videos even during the offseason, that's why he's one of the best basketball content creators period - on RUclips or TV
Nothing but love for Jxmy, constant quality videos on information I love hearing about ball, stats, and facts! You and thinking basketball got the best channels for history and breakdown of the game!
jxmy back w peak content as the nba season approaches
I think this could work but it would have to be tweaked. This are some ideas, but feel free to add more if you want:
-Assists are definetely more difficult to get than rebound so multiplying assists x1.5 would kinda even it out
-Using totals makes it so that the stats get affected by how many games the player plays which can make it unfair sometimes, so instead use averages and place a minimum of games played to enter
-The stats aren't affected by how much their stats contribute to actually winning so an idea could be to take the win % and substract it from the team numbers
This are only some ideas, if you want to add or discuss any feel free to, also sorry for any gramatical errors english is not my first language
Somehow squeezing in VORP to show how important each player was to the team winning and the value he had while on AND off the court would be useful
I’d imagine you could probably weight some statistics with the average for the league.
For assists as the example. Let’s say our data set includes all players who have played an eligible number of games or minutes, whatever arbitrary number it might be. And we find that it’s like 3 assists per game. If you remove whichever player that is being scored from the pool’s average, and assign some value that varies with the difference between player APG and “eligible player” average APG you could probably easily find ways of weighting each stat pretty effectively. You’d both be punished for being far below the average on some things, and be greatly rewarded for being the best at other things. Ideally it’d be hard to be the statistical overall best by only dominating 1 or a small number of categories unless it is by incredible margins.
Makes me wonder about what my ideal statistical player would look like. I have never really thought about how to effectively determine which contributions are more or less valuable compared with one another before.
Well, can't say that IBM award is that wrong. Yeah there is some bloopers as DeAndre and Gobert, but aside of that, 8 players out of last 20 years actually won both MVP and IBM. And 6 more players were pretty much a close runner-ups. 70% of matching isn't that bad I guess. I think there is a reason to bring this kind of award back (with the adjusted formula of course)
They could factor in MVP race rankings in that formula. Not being in the top 5 or even the top 10 would've automatically disqualify the bloopers.
@@s_ame1135 yeah, sounds good
Love the video. You should do a part 2 where you reveal and analyze who would have won if the award was based off something like PER
This is really cool stuff I never heard of this award I wouldn’t mind them bringing something like this back it would be cool even tho Gobert would have won one.
so far as we have a voting mvp and a statistic mvp, and so far as they keep tweaking the formula to improve it as much as possible, i dont think anyone would have a problem with that, i also think its pretty cool ibm was the one hanging it out
You are honestly a top tier creator. This was great!
6:24 its a classic when jxmmy goes on a rampage like this until his last breath
I love how jimmy says its a crime if Gobert won an award like that and proceeds to show 3 advanced stats, 2 of which had Gobert #1 in a season
Jimmy's final line always gives nod, couldn't agree more
Easily the best basketball youtuber, thanks Jxmy!
We totally need an award for dudes who just stuff the state sheet. Doesn’t have to be measure of value or whatever, just the dude who blew some stats out of the water
I think in the same way it is easy to say rebounds can skew this metric and give big men an advantage, it shouldn't be overlooked how important rebounds are to winning a game. The problem is that currently it's easy to rack up incidental rebounds where the ball practically lands in your hands. If there was a way to measure 'contested rebounds' I think this would still apply some weight to a big part of the game without overly favouring big men.
5:59 if you look at only the team stats than Michael’s 670*250/6105 = 27.44 and Rodmans is 480*250/4821 = 24.89 so Jordan being on a better team actually helped him.
This channel doesn't understand math. @ 5:48 he says that michael jordan scoring more points lead to him having a lower score, which is just false, increasing both the denominator and the numerator (for d > n) will always increase the result.
Thank you Jimmy for giving us the best content we could ask for
Best content would be feet pics but this is still gold
that final sentence is so important to being more knowledgeable basketball fans that are less likely to be manipulated by storylines the media wants to perpetuate to us! thank you for saying that
Nothing can stop Jxmy number crunching when he's determined (or using a graph). Another high quality and interesting video.
It’s always a good day when Jxmy posts
Most consistent RUclipsr of all time. Every video is a classic
Great video, but cant say I wasnt looking forward to 27 new hypothetical awards based off the most esoteric stats there are.
"...because giving an individual award based on value and impact to Rudy Golbert would be a crime."
This is the MVP of quotes in this video.
Jimmy always makes our days better whenever he uploads ✊🏾
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Absolutely fantastic man!! I love these deep dives about obscure sections.
JxmyHighroller should do an end of the season awards ceremony based on his own formulas for things like MVP, DPOY and ROTY etc.
This is peak NBA content that shouldn’t be available to watch for free. Kudos to Jimmy!
I was just about to look at a Jimmy video and at the perfect time he uploads 😂😂😂🐐
People, including Jxmy, are misunderstanding this award. It isn’t for the best player, but the player that blew their teammates out in certain statistical categories the hardest. As good as Jordan was, he also had a really good supporting cast, making it much more difficult to win the award.
the actual concept of such a award is really cool and it would be cool to have.
I like the fact that it factored in the overall team performance. I think that ensures it won't just be another MVP award. Also a lot of conversation could be had about winning it. Might not always be a good thing if a player is crushing the stats year after year but their team always sucks. As always.... until next time ☮️
Another banger Jimmy!
6:29 the moment it hit me what I was wanting to see the whole video was about to happen. You re a great content creator Jimmy.
PS: I haven’t seen the video from that point im guessing a 2016 mvp steal by Lord Draymond himself
I looked straight at 2016. You can imagine my brain melting down over Deandre while Jimmy was saying Lebron would have won 7
What i like abou jimmy is that some other youtuber would look at this IBM award and make a 10min video about commenting on past winners. Jimmy told us about the history of the award, commented on the winners, showed us who the winners would be if the award continued and showed us who the winners would be if a better version of the award would be today.
Jxmy with another banger, as usual
Edit: every time, I keep wondering, how can he possibly go any further into stats than he already has?
And then he pulls this out. Bruh.
The 🐐 of hoops content. Hands down.
you didnt even watch the video yet. fucking bot
Honestly.. he isn't even that much into advanced stats
Another goated vid. whoever does his tunes is goated too #fire🔥🔥🔥🔥
I love sports statistics videos like this, great video as always Jimmy
jimmy doin his best vsauce impression at the end of the video is hilarious
jxmy always comes out with the best videos 🙏🏻
Jimmy always pulls through with the uploads
Cant wait to see what type of videos he’ll make during the year
Great video Jimmy. You never miss.
Another quality content by Jimmy ❤
I miss the old intro-
Great video - one point to make, is that the MVP award has contextually changed over the years. One context being, “the most (best) valuable player in the league (on a winning team)!”, and the other being, “the most valuable player to their (winning) team”. IBMs formula was intending to answer who was, “the most valuable player to their team”, by calculating the players impact above the others + winning record. That’s how you can get a result of Dennis Rodman scoring much higher than Jordan, especially when all of the stat categories looked to be equally valued.
Put it another way, IBM’s formula calculated that “Dennis Rodman’s impact to the Pistons winning, was greater than anyone else’s impact to their winning team”. But they weren’t saying, Dennis Rodman is a better player than Michael Jordan. Think about how good bulls still did without Jordan, when Pip+Kukoc took over. Sure, they would never have won a championship, but their record was only a few games down from when they had jordan. Winning is a spectrum. That said, I think their formula was pretty inaccurate/fuzzy for that context, i just think that was their context.
With that context, it changes the view of the list. It just depends on what you are trying to answer.
In many ways, the lost context is why the MVP conversation is so highly debated. No one really knows what we are trying to answer, are we saying the MVP award should go to; the “best” player? Most valuable to their team or league? Player who’s putting up the best numbers + W record?
I’m not playing defense attorney for the IBM award or arguing we should make a static formula for players to game, but the NBA should at least frame the context for the award so we can all have the same debate.
Perfect explanation. And this is why so many debates happen in basketball. Most people can’t explain, let alone understand, small differences in meaning like this.
I was doing something so I accidentally watched all six 30 second ads (3 double ads) all the way through without skipping. Your welcome Jimmy, that’s my donation for the great content😂
“Giving an award valued on impact to Rudy Gobert would be a crime” is simply a horrid take. Dude had one of the most dominant defensive seasons of the century, liking him or not.
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The dikembe slander is crazy one of the greatest defensive players of all time
hes not peak shaq tho
The Shaq photo at 2:44 has me on the floor 😂😂
Wait hear me out…… what if we do replace the mvp with an algorithm/AI, BUT at the end of every season the voters will have a vote to decide if they wanna override the machine’s pick or not. We can make the override threshold pretty high (like requiring a 2/3 majority or smth) so that it doesn’t happen everytime, but will happen for the obvious cases like Deandre Jordan for example. As long as we have a good algorithm, and a well-adjusted override system, I think it can help make the MVP race less toxic while maintaining the discussions and human element due to the existence of the override vote.
It would be interesting if the formula was more well thought out or had a scale that would also include eye test
Jimmy never fails to drop a banger 🔥
u didnt even watch the video yet
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Jimmy does not spam upload videos but when he uploads, the quality is just 100%
Today I realized this is a comedy channel, and I'm here for it.
Jimmy with another banger as usual
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yo momma neva fail to dissapoint my boi!
I actually ran the numbers on this myself a little while ago. My data (which is otherwise identical to yours) says that Jokic wins the IBM award in 2020-21 with an IBM score of 98.26. Gobert is second at 85.67 (the result you have).
The GOAT Jimmy back to entertain me while I’m bored
Disappointment never exist when you watch Jmxy's video, that's a true story.
great videos jimmy been ur subscriber 3 years now and learn a lot from you
I like the award i hope it returns i like that it favours players on worse production teams and also will help big guys centers play more aggressively for that award alone.
honestly i wouldn’t be upset if they brought something like this back, it’s nothing special but it’s cool having these kind of stats constantly being tracked/awarded for just being a solid all around ball player. i have a feeling it’d vary HEAVILY between most positions in todays NBA
In conclusion, MVP Kevin Garnett is one of the greatest peaks by a player ever
David Robinson fr one of the most underrated players of all time
by far the earliest I have ever been to a jimmy video feeling blessed
This dude has to have a ton of job offers because your work sir is beyond incredible
Hey Jxmmy, just wanted to mention something that might be helpful given how much you use statistics in your videos. Using the programming language R is a really easy to learn and effective way to work with huge data sets, like you see pretty much every yime you make a video. The software it requires is completely free and doesn't require you to sign up for an account at all. Hope this makes your life a little easier!
Having grown up during the 90s watching the NBA I honestly never heard of this IBM Award. This makes me question how much of a fan I was in the first place.
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God tier content again by our man.. Jxmy!
All of your videos are sheer genius mate! LOVE!!!
8:56 This is why LEBRON's the GOAT
Jimmy: Using math to find the most impact full player in the NBA isn't as objective as you might think
JIMMY 7 months ago: Using Numbers to find the best season ever
This really is the best NBA content out there
Jimmy keeps us interested in nba even in the offseason, we are forever grateful 👽
That formula makes a ton of sense if you take the time to look at it.
Player points (his contribution , scoreboard wise, to each game)
Field goals attempted - (higher FGA, less shots taken compared to points)
+ all other stat totals , minus fouls , turnovers +
Total wins * 2500
**divided by***
The same as above but for his team, and no win totals added in (assume so this will be a number greater than 1 such as the player efficiency rating is today, but it always sku’s towards big men because of rebound component and lower shots attempted .
lol- I am an idiot . I should’ve known you would explain it much better than me
My favorite thing about opening this app is seeing your video at the top of my recommended
I thought I was imagining this awards existence!
IBM Award is great for individual impact within the team.. its something each team can hand out to a single player that had the most impact within the team.
Can we just appreciate how Jimmy never fails to lock me in his basement and force me to watch basketball clips from the 90s?
Criminal how little views this has compared to most of your videos. This is one of your best