my hot take: half of LeBron finals should not be used against him. for example, 2018 final, no one is beating the warriors. LeBron literally carried bench players to the final and people have the audacity to use this against him
Same thing with 2019 raptors like no team in history other than maybe the MJ bulls really have a chance to beat that team. Toronto also had one of the hardest roads to the finals this past decade
There has to be a guide line where we should draw the line of athleticism, everyone has different standards when it comes to athleticism and it confuses, and make miscomprehend too many times, lets look at f1 drivers, f1drivers often misunderstood by someone who doesn't care about f1, but if people know and understand about f1 drivers, people will be shocked how athletic they are
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The 2021 Nets were 100% a superteam. Their "All-Star," James Harden, was their MVP. He was the best performer in the entire first round of the 2021 playoffs. And people still (for whatever reason) considered him their third best player. That was a superteam.
I saw this take and thought this comment section was making hot takes Not a super hot one since Harden got slandered too much, but no way you call James Harden the MVP of that nets era when Durant is there, even though Harden showed out for that first round
@@Janon743 Harden played more games than KD and was really close to playing more games than Kyrie. He was there for only a season and a half. He was definitely the MVP of that Nets superteam.
@@YouScareMe1 still, Kd carried them in the playoffs when both of them got injured. Harden was an insane playmaker tho, so when he left, Nash had no other game plans other than to pass it to kd and hope he scores 🤣
@@Janon743 There isa difference between best player and MVP for the team. Although KD is better player, Harden did more for the team in that season, so Id agree with the rest
@@cactusttp_5520 lol a video about how everyone travels and carries isn't exactly the "craziest video the world has ever seen" lol still a good video cus it was 100% accurate and we all kinda forget about it cus it does make NBA more exciting
@@billblaski9523 lmao i just watched that video, and people were saying the same shit in the comments of that video. i was thinking like yeaa it was a good video like always, but it wasnt like jimmy spent the last month making some masterpiece, and it was about travels and carries
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My hot take: If Jrue Holiday played in the 90s, he'd be seen as arguably the greatest defensive PG of all time by now because the 90s was so much more defense oriented, but because of the offensive heavy era Jrue plays in now, he will be underrated as a defender in the grand scheme of things since it's so much harder these days to play that kind of defense.
@@swishy_bluez not really, he is much stronger than GP and much slower, much better at using his body at a wall but doesn't have the hands of GP. Probably a mix of Dumars and Pippen.
Jimmy is the definition of the words "content creator" on this platform. Amazing work every time he posts. I don't think I've ever missed an upload through the years I've been subscribed. I would really love to see what you could do in documentary format, like a 1-2 hour video. I think you would kill that. Much love brother.
I like most of his videos but he is far from best. He has a lot of bad reasoning. E.g. shows graph that starts at 50 so that player with a score of 70 seems to be twice as good as player with the score of 60. He also does a lot of correlation means causation mistakes. In this video he judges a superteam by results when it should be judged by potential.
@@Chris-wq3pe If you are judging a team to be a superteam by it's success then every winner is a superteam. Superteam is a stacked team that is expected to do great things. Superteams are declared before you see them play, not after. That's why Nets are currently considered a failed superteam - a superteam that failed to produce.
He was great coaching and the team build around him making him better u put him in Lebron situation where he had terrible coaching and terrible team building around for the first 8 years of his career MJ wouldn’t even make it to the finals with all bench players
@@Fencellisk uou said it best. A lot of us here probably play a lotta basketball but there is no way any of us are as close to athleticism as a Luka Doncic or Steph curry
More thoughts about the 70s NBA. It started with a bang when a great and charismatic NY team won a ring, and then Los Angeles and New York again. But much of the rest of the decade was smaller markets (Milwaukee, Seattle, Portland, Golden State, Washington). There was no dominant team. Kareem was the best player, but he was media poison and had no serious rival (though he might have if Walton had stayed healthy). Two of the most exciting players (Walton and David Thompson) flamed out early. The style of play was great - culminating in the Celtic-Lakers rivalry in the 80s - but fewer people were watching. Popularity goes in cycles. The Bird-Magic, Lakers-Celtics rivalry, Jordan and the dominant Bulls, and the league and media finding their commercial stride made the difference, not the caliber of players.
@@LesterDiamond007 a team who has multiple super stars, basically 3 most of the time 2022 lakers had LJ, AD and wetsbrook, they even had Carmelo Anthony who is a big name, so they are definitely a super team
1987-88 featured at least 22 Hall of Fame players: Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, James Worthy, Kevin McHale, Robert Parish, Moses Malone, Isiah Thomas, Dominique Wilkins, Charles Barkley, Hakeem Olajuwon, Clyde Drexler, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Alex English, Patrick Ewing, Adrian Dantley, Joe Dumars, Dennis Rodman, Scottie Pippen, Reggie Miller. It was one of the greatest seasons in NBA history as well: MVP race between MJ, Bird, & Magic; MJ as the first MVP to also win the DPOY, the first DPOY to win the scoring title, and the first player to accumulate 200+ steals w/ 100+ blocks in a season twice; Bird becoming the first player to be in the 50-40-90 club twice; MJ vs 'Nique iconic dunk contest; Bird's legendary 3pt contest threepeat; Bird vs 'Nique Game 7 duel; Isiah's sprained ankle game; Lakers fulfilling Riley's repeat guarantee (ending the league's drought since 1969); Worthy recording the first ever Game 7 triple-double; Stockton finally unleashed from the bench to begin his nine consecutive assists titles along w/ racing MJ & A. Robertson (all-time spg leader) for the steals title; and so on and so forth. Basketball in general was also a phenomenon in 1992: The Dream Team, Jordan's shrug game, Magic's last ASG, Bird's epic final triple-double, Rodman's 1530 rebounds, Pat Riley's Knicks vs Phil Jackson's Bulls rivalry begins, Laettner's perfect game w/ famous buzzer beater, Michael Jackson's "Jam" music video, etc...
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Upon further research, I missed 7 other Hall of Famers: Dennis Johnson, Sidney Moncrief, Maurice Cheeks, Ralph Sampson, Bernard King, Chris Mullin, & Artis Gilmore (though he played very limited minutes). Still plenty of candidates such as DPOY legends Alvin Robertson & Mark Eaton.
@@El_Tony_C I agree Such a wasted potential, and Jimmy was definitely wrong for not calling them a super team because they were and they failed at that
Steph Curry is 6’2” not 6’3” . I know this because I’m 6’2” and noticed that a few years ago and never forgot how I’m twinsies with steph curry in height and talent.
The last take is definitely quite skewed in categorization. When the Nets were assembled they were definitely considered a super team. D-Mitch and D-Book are also generally not considered superstars.
they were a superteam by default. The fact that it didn't work out because of injuries blah blah blah is another story. Also as you said not every 'superstar' is the same and neither is every Allstar. 2016 Lebron is the same as d book or any other guy on these 'supeteams' except maybe giannis? 2016 kyrie the same as Rudy mf gobert khris middleton etc? Please. Context needs to be taken into account
Key word is assembled. This video here is basically saying that even though the players were good enough to be considered a superteam when they were assembled, he's saying you can look at their stats at conclusion to tell if they were or not. That's very skewed logic How bout if the stats look bad it doesn't mean they weren't a superteam, it means they underperformed Like the olajuwon Barkley pippen rockets. People still call them a superteam. By his logic, people are full of ish
@@futurehofer1564 and it didn’t show up in practise. Nets were still a great team, it’s arguable that they were a super team who weren’t successful because they had so many great players but didn’t work as a team well enough.
The Nets take is a little disingenuous. Before the rule change James Harden was still considered a bonafide superstar & everybody called that team a super team. In hindsight trying to say they weren't one only after they failed doesn't track. That was a super team.
@@MatteoRuberto Iciest take in the thread. Harden 100% showed he could be the best player on a team contending for a championship, and I absolutely hate Harden for all his annoying flopping, flailing antics and whiny personality on the court. That's the definition of a superstar. You can definitely argue he no longer fits the definition, but entering the Nets tenure calling Harden anything but a superstar is insanely revisionist.
If there was one duo that would be scary to come up against it would've been Barkley and MJ on the same side. Those two would never lose and get inside the opponents heads. What a nasty combo that would've been.
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@@hmmmmmm6901 Yeah they're literally just an even more boring version of the Harden Rockets. Luka is phenomenal, but outside of the playoffs I'm not trying to watch him iso for 40 minutes a game.
It's a curse too having a superstar like Dirk and Luka. For most seasons, not good enough to win the chip (except for 2011). Not bad enough to be a lottery team to get better rookies. (except for Luka)
@@hmmmmmm6901 eh, lebron was a one man show in 2018 Cleveland and people still liked watching lol. Even better example rockets team was legit just harden iso for 4 seasons and I’m pre sure they had a lot of fans
The Nets are a superteam on paper. certainly heading into the first year. Prime KD, nearly a prime playmaking Harden (or so we all thought), and a third-team all-nba type guy in Kyrie. plenty of smart people thought this was just as much top end talent as we've ever seen on a single team
Not just on paper. They were absolutely destroying the Bucks before the injuries. They were 13-3 when playing together during the regular season. Injuries screwed them but they definitely were a superteam by every measure.
On paper? Boston and Bucks were getting destroyed. It wasn't until Harden and Kyrie both got injured during the playoffs. Harden was forced to play again when Kyrie was out due to an injury. The rest is history when Kd stepped on the line with that 3.
@@a.fields9789 fr, it's like they just started watching last year. It's obvious that some of these people only look at the news and espn but don't watch live games
I appreciate the love for Hakeem. He is consistently one of the most underrated players in recent history. Very few people put him in the top 10 and he absolutely could make a case for it.
If you look at his playoff career, he might be around the 4th or 5th greatest player of all time. A rare talent who's efficiency and production increased as it mattered the most.
Way overlooked and I think one of rings was considered the toughest championship run of all time. He was different fr. Glad to say he was on my Rockets
There is some crazy revisionist history going on here. The 2021 Nets and 2022 Lakers were definitely superteams. They may have been failed superteams but superteams nonetheless. The Nets had 2 MVP winners and a perennial All-Star. The Lakers had 2 of the top 10 players in the league and Westbrook who at the time was still seen as an All-Star caliber player.
2022 Lakers were not a superteam and Russ was not an All-Star caliber player. Anybody that watched him over his last couple seasons with Houston and Washington knew he was on his decline and his play over last season all but solidified that. He was awful and AD was hurt for most of the season anyway.
the lakers are NOT a superteam... not AT ALL. what super team goes 42-30 or 33-49? the only time this team won the finals is the bubble when the league was just BAD. russel westbrook was TERRIBLE. LeBron carried but did not really carry fully. 80% of teams in almost any decent era would easily just beat the lakers. AD was also on and off.
No one considered the Lakers a super team. Only maybe if you're a casual who thinks Westbrook was the same as he was in 2017. A clearly washed player isn't a super team
At least the NBA backed a bit off their political angle last season, but watching how this NFL season opened shows they didn't learn from that mistake.
Patrick Ewing was one of the best jump shooting centers of all time as well. He was ahead of his time in that regard, and would probably have developed a three, if he was playing today. He got a lot of flack at the time, because back then, they discouraged centers from being away from the basket, but as he got older, he evolved his game to include a consistent jump shot which became an important aspect of his arsenal.
1. I’ve probably left less than 10 total comments on RUclips in my life. 2. I’ve never been a basketball fan. Yet I can’t stop watching your content Jimmy. Such a great mix of entertainment and education. If success is finding a way to reach people you wouldn’t expect, you have arrived.
I’m happy someone with a platform finally made this point. I’m tired of people comparing skill for skill to see who’s the better player (cherry pick their answers too) when in reality people don’t account for how valuable each skill is to the players game.
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I like your takes, except on the super teams. Super teams are based off the perception of the players involved, not looking at their combined +/- in hindsight. If that were the case, super teams could never fail because you would only consider a team super if 3 players reached a certain +/-.
i like that and agree 100 percent. it reminds me the lakers with shaq, kobe, the mailman, and the glove. yea karl and gary were older, but thats still a super team lol and they made the finals. they lost and i guess in hindsight, based off jimmys take in this video, they arent a superteam. but they absolutely are. just like barkley, drexler, and hakeem. kyrie was the first overall pick in the draft, lebron was a former first pick, and love was a first round pick. all 3 all stars, and all 3 meeting up on one team. it wasnt like they were all drafted by the same team, stayed on the same team, and became great together. and that shit with the lakers with ad, russ, lebron, etc etc. yea that was created to be a super team. it just didnt pan out that way lol
Yeah it was kinda like he was intentionally trying to create a bad hot take to end his video. That's the only reason why I could think of we he said the Cavs weren't a super team or the Nets weren't a super team. The way I look at super team is a collection of 3 all star talents with at least one of them being a superstar and the ultimate goal is to win the finals with little to no resistance. The Cavs definitely fell into that category as well as the Nets. +/- ain't got nothing to do with it. Them failing to win has nothing to do with it.
I disagree. You’re practically saying any team that is just dominant, no matter their actual talent compared to actual super teams are considered super teams. Dominant does not equal super, the collection of their talent is still something that can be compared to teams overall. The warriors were a super team, because they were dominant with actual competition. Their sum of talent was just greater, and that’s just how it is.
@@trucc412 I never said anything of the sort. I said that "super teams" are created based on the perception of the players involved before even seeing them perform. In a way it is an arbitrary categorization. If a team signed 3 guys that are perceived as superstars, that team would be perceived as a superteam, even before they played a game. Whether or not they live up to that label is another discussion.
I’ve almost always agreed with Jimmy’s takes in his vids, but his last one I have to disagree. When you take 3 players who were the best player on each of their teams the year before and combine them onto one team, that is a super team. Their plus/minus shows that adding the parts will never match up to the whole once you put them all together, since there is only one ball to share, so it is an arbitrary stat to show how super of a team they are.
dude, kyrie was the only good player on that horrible cavs team ofc he's gonna be the best player out that squad, and kevin love literally played for the poverty minnesota timberwolves, literally replace kyrie & love with any other all star on their first franchises and they'll still be considered the best player in that franchise at the time
@Marcus Christensson True but there was a difference. Russ was on the decline already, so he was indeed nowhere near to what he used to be. KLove was placed in an entirely different role. He went from a dominant post player and first option to barely getting post-ups and standing in the corner for threes. But utilization is another factor in the question "What makes it a superteam"
Cavs & Nets were super teams, they both had trades & free agent all-stars join forces. I feel like you’re sleeping on Love because he had to sacrifice so much of his game to fit LeBron & Kylie, the dude literally averaged 26 & 12 the season before coming to the Cavs, he was a monster in the paint & was forced to stand in the corner to fit in
Kyrie was good, but he was only like 23 years old, K love was a good numbers bad team player (Still amazing) but they werent superstars, not to mention their bench was atrotious until 2017 then they faced the greatest team ever and blew it up next season. Brooklyn was a super team that never got going, so I'd label them as an attempted superteam
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@@davidelsea1296 Anyone who watched that season, woudl know that Kevin love was not a superstar and Cleveland were not a big 3, Kyrie became established after that Dagger 3 and the Chip with Bron, before that he was a nobody and Lebron literally changed him as a player just like he did to AD, before him they were both regular season players with extremely high skill ceiling. The proof is in the trade, in what era does a franchise superstar player (yes klove's stats were that good) get traded for Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett and a first round pick on a team that is about to possibly win an NBA championship next season? Also I think the Cavs were like 2-20 something W/L with Lebron out and just Kyrie in during their tenure. But yeah fact is Klove never had it in the playoffs, for some reason in big games he just gets rattled and looks out of it, he never showed up even in games where all he had to do was be a role player, heck Tristan Thompson probably did more for that team on defense, showing up with big boards in playoffs and dirty work.
Someone said to me that Hakeem would be a backup center in todays game. I asked if he would be a bench center behind Myles Turner and he said 100% yes. Speechless
If you took him straight from that era and put him right in todays game, he would struggle, but if he was raised around todays game, he’d still be the most skilled center of all time
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Hey Jimmy, I don’t know if you’ve seen OTE but they’re starting to make a lot of noise could you make a video on what their team means for highschool. It’s practically a super team they’ve built which I honestly think could beat a d1 school
When K.Love went to the Cavs everyone expected him to still average 20+pts/GM. Which put them in the super team category. That obviously didnt happen, but once a team is put in that narrative it's hard to break that mindset of the public/media
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@@PhantomBulletGames It’s not that they are getting worse, they are just getting turned into Star role players. Loves ability to stretch the floor because of his shooting helped Lebron and Kyrie. They could never leave love open and they forced big men out of the paint
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I disagree with the last point. Not because they didn't live up to the hype doesn't mean they were not a super team. Before the Cavs super team, Kevin Love dominated the paint, Kyrie dominated the point, and LeBron dominated the league. They underwhelmed not for lack of talent. So to me the difference between the Heat big 3 and the others is not in the word "super" but in the word "team".
I don’t think they underachieved. I don’t have them as a super team because unlike Miami, Kyrie & Love didn’t lead their teams to the playoffs. The other difference is Cleveland trading for Kevin Love, so it’s not like they got him for free. They eventually rounded out the team to get Iman & JR which then turned them into a power house, because they were Top Heavy.
The reason the Cav’s big 3 were “originally” called a super team was because all 3 at the time were 20+ ppg players that came together to form the core of a team, no team had done that since the the Miami Heat I’m 2010 and then before that the 71-72 Lakers(go back and look they were the first real super team with Baylor, Chamberlain, West, and Goodrich) even though I believe Baylor went down even before mid-season even though some believe the old Celtics with Cousy Russell and Havlicek were a bit of a super team…regardless those Cavs initially were thought to be a super team because of stats
can't forget about the celtics with garnet ray allen and paul pierce that was the big three super team before lebrons miami heat lebron with the old cavs took those celtics to seven games but after losing to them twice lebron realized he needed more help to beat them and since the cavs couldn't get him better help to compete with the celtics the lakers and the spurs he went to miami
Yup...and Dude's going to say that Khris Middleton is an All-Star - when he gets PICKED by Giannis or Durant - and yet K. Love is a "Fringe" All- Star, when he had FAR better stats than Middleton OR Bosh when he was in Minny AND made 2 All-Star teams in a WC stacked with forwards. You can build a team offense around Irving or Love (whether you'd WANT to is something else entirely) but you can't do that with Middleton. I'll also add that while I like Chris Bosh's game and he was a starter for the EC a couple times BEFORE he went to Miami....if he were out West, he'd have been on the outside looking in during that same period of time with Dirk, KG, Duncan, Melo, Gasol, Z-Bo, & Stoudamaire out there.
@@twilitezn Love was a beast in Minnesota but he sacrificed a lot of his game to make that team work so that's why he became a "fringe all star". He if was the main guy or at least the 2nd option his numbers would go way up
@@RafitoOoO if love was the MAIN guy they not getting out the 1st rd...he got punked in the finals by draymond and kd in the post which was supposed to be his bread and butter
@fiix_ii a ton of players would be the greatest of all time if they had Curry’s shooting on top of their existing skill set bro, that’s not saying much
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‘21 nets were absolutely a super team dawg that’s two former mvps in their prime + an all nba team player in his prime who all came in free agency along with a pretty decent bench squad
“If you took away Ben Simmons passing ability, he’d be a 6’10” Patrick Beverly.” 😂 He’s not wrong. And the LeBron led Miami Heat will be his best super team when it’s all said and done.
11:23 "If you even say superteam and 2022 Lakers in the same sentence, you're a sick individual" also Jimmy in his video "LeBron Is Working On His Next Superteam" at 9:00: "I'm really not sure how you would make the argument that this isn't a superteam?"
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The Nets were a super team just a failed one. You could hardly have selected more talented current players to be on one team but they were toxic, injured, unable to play and could not make it work
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Calling Kevin Love a "Fringe all star" is disrespectful and lacks "context" as you said it. Love's numbers only plummeted because he joined Lebron, The year before him joining he was 2nd in BPM 3rd in PER, and 3rd in WS. In other words the 3rd best player in the league after KD and Lebron himself.
At the time Kevin love was universally considered the best power forward in the game. People trying to downplay how good he was are just trying to cover for Lebron.
In four seasons prior to joining the Cavs, Love was averaging 22.9 PPG and 13.7 RPG on 45%/37%/82% on FG/3FG/FT while being an 3x All-Star with the only time he missed out on the All-Star selection was due to missing most of that season due to injury. Sure, he might've been stat stuffing in the wastelands of early 2010s Minnesota but the man was still sick.
@@1vaultdweller Yep. And Anthony Davis missed the playoffs 5 out of 7 years in NOH and was and still is considered a top 10 player when healthy. KAT missed the playoff 5 out of 7 years in Minnesota and is still considered an allstar. You dont get to scale back someones ranking when its convenient. Love was considered one of the top players before joining forces with Lebron. Thats just the truth
This is never gonna stop. The problem is that we are not designed to take in so many opinions that we read on the Internet, so, therefore, reading so many views is always gonna have us confused and stressed.
@@rajerdot4639 No problem, just open any video of Jxmy with a title similar to this and if it has the same music with takes or the Hot Takes intro, part of the series
I disagree on your KAT take. Comparing using simply numbers removes of the context of KAT’s shooting ability, as his 3s are usually much more difficult, off the dribble, and contested, and not open catch and shoots
I also disagree with the KAT analysis. He is a true big man, while some of the players mentioned by Jimmy are not. In my opinion only Dirk Nowitzki stands up against KAT.
I did some diving saying Peja isn't a big, but the mfkr is 6-10! Lol Peja has a small percentage higher than Kat in 3pt percentage, but Kat shoots more. Peja was a unicorn at the time, you didnt see big boys shooting, like Dirk. Cousins I think you can compare Kat to, and Kat percentage wise, is better than Cousins. I'm a Wolves fan and I am bias, but numbers don't lie sometimes. Kat does shoot a bunch of contested shots.
The last take I don’t agree with. Looking at the context of how the team was assembled and their reputations at the time, the cavs were definitely a super team. Production after assembly doesn’t decide the super team
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@Jean-Patrice Paluku teams aren't the same as players. Stupid ass argument. A team with two free agent superstars joining it is a superteam, period. Production doesn't define shit.
If you just look at what Love did with the Timberwolves, then you would've assumed he was going to average 20 and 12 every season they were together on better efficiency. I personally believe Love got worse after going to the cavs. They most certainly should've been a superteam being as though at the time the team was made Love was looking like a potential superstar, and Kyrie definitely was all star caliber talent
Here's my take on 'super teams' and this actually happened when I was in Highschool. If you put all the good people on 1 team, and all the bad people on another team (not saying all the other nba teams were bad but) and the good team lose doesn't mean it's not a super team. It just mean it didn't work the way you wanted to together. Still a superteam. If Kobe, Jordan, and LeBron were to be on the same team it would be a super team as soon as the roster is made. And if they were to only win 10 games 😬 yeah, trash superteam
You are a sick individual if you think that Lakers team was a super team…No all the good players were not on one team. If all the players were still in there prime it would be a super team
@@tridra5714 Exactly. People who call the 2022 Lakers a “superteam” are only looking at names, and never the context. Even before the season started, AD hasn’t had a full healthy season in years, Westbrook hasn’t been an all-star in 3 years and counting, and LeBron is LeBron.
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12:52 I have a hot take.... which I made back in 2018, yes you heard me I formed this hot take when it was only 2018, but I said that Giannis Antetokounmpo will retire the best or 2nd best PF of all time, and I got completely clowned for my hot take at the time, but nowadays people put more respect on my hot take but keep in mind i formulated that opinion back in 2018 and everyone thought i was stupid, im going to stick with the hot take, he isnt the best or 2nd best as of right now but i still believe he will get there and im going to stay with my hot take from 4 years ago
Just because a team underperforms doesn't mean it wasn't a superteam, that just means that they choked. The Lakers and the Cavs were meant to be superteams, they just didn't live up to the level that they were supposed to. Net rating definitely doesn't tell the whole story.
That's part of my argument against KD going to the Warriors...People are mad because it worked...Stars have been trying this for years...sometimes it just doesn't work...Like the 2022 Lakers....
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This is a very good analysis. But IMO, Yes, the Cavs can be considered a Super Team. Kevin Love had better numbers than Chris Bosh the year prior they played with LeBron, and very similar numbers while playing together. Plus their bench wasn’t that bad at all. But that’s just my opinion.
Lebron had full intentions of building/joining super teams. Just because they didn’t always pan out doesn’t take away from the fact that upon creation they were a super team. When the 2022 Lakers teams was built people were calling them the Avengers and saying that if they didn’t make it to the conference finals they were one of the biggest busts of all time, just because they were even worse doesn’t mean that at creation and on paper the team was super.
As soon as the question of best top 8 ever came up, I immediately guessed 87 or 88. Even without MJ, that's the most stacked top end we've probably ever seen in the NBA
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I gotta disagree with the superteam take. LeBron has been on two superteams- one of them is the Lakers. A superteam is defined by its construction, not its on-court performance. As currently constructed, the three best players on the lakers are free-agent acquisitions, 2 or 3 of whom were the best players on their previous teams. The Bucks' big three are two home-grown talents, and one star free agent. Not a superteam. Brooklyn had three superstar free agents as its core. Superteam. KD-era warriors had two home-grown superstars, and one superstar free agent. Normally that's not a superteam, but two of those guys (including the free agent) are all-time greats at their peak. Debatable whether that's a superteam. I think it was.
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The difference between superteams is that they HAVE to come together from separate teams. Its players coming together to form a championship caliber team. Home grown teams dont count for this criteria
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The Timberwolves the potential to be a top 4 seed in the regular season, although anything outside of that comes into question, but I see where you are coming from
my hot take: half of LeBron finals should not be used against him. for example, 2018 final, no one is beating the warriors. LeBron literally carried bench players to the final and people have the audacity to use this against him
I agree with you, 2007 he was young and alone, 2015 he was alone, 2017 and 18 Golden State was cheating.
Same thing with 2019 raptors like no team in history other than maybe the MJ bulls really have a chance to beat that team. Toronto also had one of the hardest roads to the finals this past decade
@@noblevenom2858 golden state might have without injuries
MJ would have beat the Warriors 😂
@@noblevenom2858 bro 💀
That 1st hot take reminds me of this quote:
"I'm closer to LeBron than you are to me" - Brian Scalabrine
its facts
goated
I mean he’s right. He’s the goat, Bron is top 5, and well, everyone else
@@Cr7lisbonda Said by the NBA themselves
White mamba
Micheal Jorbum I’m dead😂😂😂
“Retired because no more plumbers to beat” was the funniest one
Nah zions ass is bigger than lowrys😂😂
That guy was definitely a LeFlop fan. 😂
that was genuinely one of the funniest things i've ever read
Head ass. Did you see the goats he played against
@@calebcrawford2520 calm ya hatin ass down💀
Steph deserves more credit for his manual dexterity, and (nowadays) infinite stamina. Those are athletic traits, too.
There has to be a guide line where we should draw the line of athleticism, everyone has different standards when it comes to athleticism and it confuses, and make miscomprehend too many times, lets look at f1 drivers, f1drivers often misunderstood by someone who doesn't care about f1, but if people know and understand about f1 drivers, people will be shocked how athletic they are
@@정도원-q3y they just gotta press down some heavy pedrls have good reaction time and boom
@Joe mama and basketball just has to throw the ball and move the ball with hands, how easy is that
Hey what is your pfp from i think i recognize it but idk where from
Bro he doesn’t stop running
The Zion and Kyle Lowry one had me crying.
Lunch table debate
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Kyle booty better.
When was that
@@sfl2636 2:30
I think on sheer talent alone, the Nets were absolutely a super team. Injuries and "free thinking" derailed them.
TBH LAKERS WERE BUILT TO BE A SUPERTEAM TOO ruclips.net/video/mmSAYWNr5Kc/видео.html chek out the reaction on dis
100% the injuries to harden mattered alot
On talent alone, the Lakers were a superteam but then age and lack of chemistry hit them
@@futurehofer1564 2022? Not even close, and I'm a Laker
Jxmy has a video on this same exact subject not a few months back if I am not mistaken.
The 2021 Nets were 100% a superteam. Their "All-Star," James Harden, was their MVP. He was the best performer in the entire first round of the 2021 playoffs. And people still (for whatever reason) considered him their third best player. That was a superteam.
Harden was arguably their best player that year so it makes absolutely no sense 😂
I saw this take and thought this comment section was making hot takes
Not a super hot one since Harden got slandered too much, but no way you call James Harden the MVP of that nets era when Durant is there, even though Harden showed out for that first round
@@Janon743 Harden played more games than KD and was really close to playing more games than Kyrie. He was there for only a season and a half. He was definitely the MVP of that Nets superteam.
@@YouScareMe1 still, Kd carried them in the playoffs when both of them got injured. Harden was an insane playmaker tho, so when he left, Nash had no other game plans other than to pass it to kd and hope he scores 🤣
@@Janon743 There isa difference between best player and MVP for the team. Although KD is better player, Harden did more for the team in that season, so Id agree with the rest
jimmy hasn't posted a video in over a month, i almost guarantee hes about to make the craziest basketball video the world has ever seen
You were kinda right
@@cactusttp_5520 lol a video about how everyone travels and carries isn't exactly the "craziest video the world has ever seen" lol still a good video cus it was 100% accurate and we all kinda forget about it cus it does make NBA more exciting
@@billblaski9523 lol yeh they b meat ridin 😂
@@billblaski9523 lmao i just watched that video, and people were saying the same shit in the comments of that video. i was thinking like yeaa it was a good video like always, but it wasnt like jimmy spent the last month making some masterpiece, and it was about travels and carries
You called it mate
Steph Curry is extremely athletic even for NBA standards. Dude's body coordination and change of direction is literally elite .
His movement was HOF
Right his stamina is off the charts
The thing people point out about him being unathletic is because he has Steve Nash Vertical. Having Difficulty in dunking even at 6’3
Athletic nut not extremely for basketball. If he had hops you could say.
@@ajye8935 he actually has decent hops. I cant recall Nash doing windmills and 360 dunks. Curry can
The Jordan "Stop it" edit clip gets me every time. Thanks for making me laugh while still coming with so great of a content!
LOL , especially when he includes the "get help" LMAO
Facts one of the best lowkey when Timed right
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My hot take: If Jrue Holiday played in the 90s, he'd be seen as arguably the greatest defensive PG of all time by now because the 90s was so much more defense oriented, but because of the offensive heavy era Jrue plays in now, he will be underrated as a defender in the grand scheme of things since it's so much harder these days to play that kind of defense.
Jrue plays just like GP
especially with the handcheck rule
Greatest defense seasons came after the 90’s but ok🤷🏾♂️
@@swishy_bluez gp was way faster
@@swishy_bluez not really, he is much stronger than GP and much slower, much better at using his body at a wall but doesn't have the hands of GP. Probably a mix of Dumars and Pippen.
Jimmy is the definition of the words "content creator" on this platform.
Amazing work every time he posts.
I don't think I've ever missed an upload through the years I've been subscribed.
I would really love to see what you could do in documentary format, like a 1-2 hour video. I think you would kill that.
Much love brother.
Seriously Jxmy is the goat
I like most of his videos but he is far from best. He has a lot of bad reasoning. E.g. shows graph that starts at 50 so that player with a score of 70 seems to be twice as good as player with the score of 60. He also does a lot of correlation means causation mistakes. In this video he judges a superteam by results when it should be judged by potential.
@@joskomikulicic if you judge anything on potential and not actual results, then you'd be a pretty dumb judge. Your take is absurd
@@Chris-wq3pe If you are judging a team to be a superteam by it's success then every winner is a superteam. Superteam is a stacked team that is expected to do great things. Superteams are declared before you see them play, not after. That's why Nets are currently considered a failed superteam - a superteam that failed to produce.
Forrreal brother!
"Michael Jordan was carried by the Bulls" has to be the most egregious take I have ever seen
He was carried that's true
@@jimmywoods6301 yeah he carried yo baby ass
He was great coaching and the team build around him making him better u put him in Lebron situation where he had terrible coaching and terrible team building around for the first 8 years of his career MJ wouldn’t even make it to the finals with all bench players
great coaching, team built around him, has pippen
More than LeBron over Mike Tyson in the ring???
The Zion and Kyle Lowry take got me 🤣🤣🤣
That take was accurate 🍑
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Fr 😂😂
Lowry >
Who actually thinks that curry is unathletic though 😭 this man runs around the court and gets back to defense on time on most plays
I never understood how athletes could be considered unathletic. Everybody is running constantly.
I guess they don’t realize the many components of athleticism. They’re referring to explosiveness and pure speed/strength .
Most of us that watch these videos are athletic. I don't think I'm more athletic than a nonathletic Steph Curry.
he can literally windmill
@@Fencellisk uou said it best. A lot of us here probably play a lotta basketball but there is no way any of us are as close to athleticism as a Luka Doncic or Steph curry
More thoughts about the 70s NBA. It started with a bang when a great and charismatic NY team won a ring, and then Los Angeles and New York again. But much of the rest of the decade was smaller markets (Milwaukee, Seattle, Portland, Golden State, Washington). There was no dominant team. Kareem was the best player, but he was media poison and had no serious rival (though he might have if Walton had stayed healthy). Two of the most exciting players (Walton and David Thompson) flamed out early. The style of play was great - culminating in the Celtic-Lakers rivalry in the 80s - but fewer people were watching. Popularity goes in cycles. The Bird-Magic, Lakers-Celtics rivalry, Jordan and the dominant Bulls, and the league and media finding their commercial stride made the difference, not the caliber of players.
Great summary of the decade 👍
I believe a super team is determined when it is formed, not after we see how it has worked out.
exactly, the 2022 lakers and the big three nets were considered super teams, they just failed at winning
What determines whether it's a"superteam"🤔?
@100yen So can u tell me or not🤨?
@@LesterDiamond007 a team who has multiple super stars, basically 3 most of the time
2022 lakers had LJ, AD and wetsbrook, they even had Carmelo Anthony who is a big name, so they are definitely a super team
Jimmy has stated this before as well. This is the 1st time I've heard him say otherwise
1987-88 featured at least 22 Hall of Fame players: Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, James Worthy, Kevin McHale, Robert Parish, Moses Malone, Isiah Thomas, Dominique Wilkins, Charles Barkley, Hakeem Olajuwon, Clyde Drexler, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Alex English, Patrick Ewing, Adrian Dantley, Joe Dumars, Dennis Rodman, Scottie Pippen, Reggie Miller.
It was one of the greatest seasons in NBA history as well: MVP race between MJ, Bird, & Magic; MJ as the first MVP to also win the DPOY, the first DPOY to win the scoring title, and the first player to accumulate 200+ steals w/ 100+ blocks in a season twice; Bird becoming the first player to be in the 50-40-90 club twice; MJ vs 'Nique iconic dunk contest; Bird's legendary 3pt contest threepeat; Bird vs 'Nique Game 7 duel; Isiah's sprained ankle game; Lakers fulfilling Riley's repeat guarantee (ending the league's drought since 1969); Worthy recording the first ever Game 7 triple-double; Stockton finally unleashed from the bench to begin his nine consecutive assists titles along w/ racing MJ & A. Robertson (all-time spg leader) for the steals title; and so on and so forth.
Basketball in general was also a phenomenon in 1992: The Dream Team, Jordan's shrug game, Magic's last ASG, Bird's epic final triple-double, Rodman's 1530 rebounds, Pat Riley's Knicks vs Phil Jackson's Bulls rivalry begins, Laettner's perfect game w/ famous buzzer beater, Michael Jackson's "Jam" music video, etc...
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I didnt even realise that so many iconic moments happened in 87-88 season.
Upon further research, I missed 7 other Hall of Famers: Dennis Johnson, Sidney Moncrief, Maurice Cheeks, Ralph Sampson, Bernard King, Chris Mullin, & Artis Gilmore (though he played very limited minutes). Still plenty of candidates such as DPOY legends Alvin Robertson & Mark Eaton.
“If this was the criteria for a super team, then this means the 2021 Nets were a super team.”
Yeah, they were Jimmy.
Fr, pretty sure these thr nets were considered a super team
even the 2022 lakers were a super team... that failed miserably
@@mohammadalfattal2902 sucks that we saw LeGM, Westbrick, and Anthony "Crack" Davis instead
@@El_Tony_C I agree
Such a wasted potential, and Jimmy was definitely wrong for not calling them a super team because they were and they failed at that
@@mohammadalfattal2902 no they weren't no one is in thier prime
Steph Curry is 6’2” not 6’3” . I know this because I’m 6’2” and noticed that a few years ago and never forgot how I’m twinsies with steph curry in height and talent.
Gimme summa that height then bru
The last take is definitely quite skewed in categorization. When the Nets were assembled they were definitely considered a super team. D-Mitch and D-Book are also generally not considered superstars.
they were a superteam by default. The fact that it didn't work out because of injuries blah blah blah is another story. Also as you said not every 'superstar' is the same and neither is every Allstar. 2016 Lebron is the same as d book or any other guy on these 'supeteams' except maybe giannis? 2016 kyrie the same as Rudy mf gobert khris middleton etc? Please. Context needs to be taken into account
What made them a"superteam"🤔? I've seen Harden flame out, Kd riding others waves 🌊, & Kyrie flopped as a centerpiece player!!
@@LesterDiamond007 3 1st ballot hall of famers and the only reason Kyrie won't be 1st ballot is because they don't like him
@@UnplayedGaming They let anyone into the HOF, I'll b there one day, that's not saying much!
Key word is assembled. This video here is basically saying that even though the players were good enough to be considered a superteam when they were assembled, he's saying you can look at their stats at conclusion to tell if they were or not.
That's very skewed logic
How bout if the stats look bad it doesn't mean they weren't a superteam, it means they underperformed
Like the olajuwon Barkley pippen rockets.
People still call them a superteam.
By his logic, people are full of ish
11:50 You're right about all the others, but the 2021 Nets were definitely a super team. They just didn't perform like people expected.
I remember people saying stuff like “you can’t use them in 2K” etc like the Warriors previously.
Most unlucky team aot it’s just a fact atp
Lakers fans were calling the 22 Lakers a superteam, so........
@@futurehofer1564 and it didn’t show up in practise. Nets were still a great team, it’s arguable that they were a super team who weren’t successful because they had so many great players but didn’t work as a team well enough.
They got injured fuck u mean they didn't perform like expected?
The Nets take is a little disingenuous. Before the rule change James Harden was still considered a bonafide superstar & everybody called that team a super team. In hindsight trying to say they weren't one only after they failed doesn't track. That was a super team.
What made Harden a"bonafide"superstar? I've seen him throw the towel in on teams, NTM he always comes up short in big moments!
@@LesterDiamond007 exactly, harden was considered a superstar by people lacking any understanding of sports. Same goes for westbrook
@@MatteoRuberto Ppl gave them the moniker prematurely. I believe they got caught up in the media hype.
@@MatteoRuberto Iciest take in the thread. Harden 100% showed he could be the best player on a team contending for a championship, and I absolutely hate Harden for all his annoying flopping, flailing antics and whiny personality on the court. That's the definition of a superstar. You can definitely argue he no longer fits the definition, but entering the Nets tenure calling Harden anything but a superstar is insanely revisionist.
@@LesterDiamond007 once you win mvp you’re a superstar
If there was one duo that would be scary to come up against it would've been Barkley and MJ on the same side. Those two would never lose and get inside the opponents heads. What a nasty combo that would've been.
Would've been a lot like Dwade and Lebron on the heat.
I lost it when he said Ben Simmons without his passing would be a 6’10” Pat Bev🤣
This killed me
I really forget he's 6'10". Feels smaller...
@@GarrettBroadnax shit just doesn't matter honestly lol it's sad
@@GarrettBroadnax pause
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The Mavericks are an incredibly under-appreciated team. Dirk and Luka have kept Dallas competitive for 20+ years but we never get the screen time
The way y'all play is boring to watch thats why. Luka does sum amazing every game but watching one player o everything is not fun
@@hmmmmmm6901 Yeah they're literally just an even more boring version of the Harden Rockets. Luka is phenomenal, but outside of the playoffs I'm not trying to watch him iso for 40 minutes a game.
It's a curse too having a superstar like Dirk and Luka.
For most seasons, not good enough to win the chip (except for 2011).
Not bad enough to be a lottery team to get better rookies. (except for Luka)
@@hmmmmmm6901 eh, lebron was a one man show in 2018 Cleveland and people still liked watching lol. Even better example rockets team was legit just harden iso for 4 seasons and I’m pre sure they had a lot of fans
@@4purs does lebron play like Luka???
The Nets are a superteam on paper. certainly heading into the first year. Prime KD, nearly a prime playmaking Harden (or so we all thought), and a third-team all-nba type guy in Kyrie. plenty of smart people thought this was just as much top end talent as we've ever seen on a single team
Not just on paper. They were absolutely destroying the Bucks before the injuries. They were 13-3 when playing together during the regular season. Injuries screwed them but they definitely were a superteam by every measure.
On paper? Boston and Bucks were getting destroyed. It wasn't until Harden and Kyrie both got injured during the playoffs. Harden was forced to play again when Kyrie was out due to an injury. The rest is history when Kd stepped on the line with that 3.
3rd team kyrie is selling him short. its not like the guy had two 50 point games right after becoming a net
Calling Kyrie a 3rd team guy is insane ngl
@@a.fields9789 fr, it's like they just started watching last year. It's obvious that some of these people only look at the news and espn but don't watch live games
At 8:20 barrymcockiner makes an appearance. Gotta love the man posting bangers and nfl weekly reviews. That’s all, another great bud Jimmy
I noticed bro got Barry in here 😭
Two GOATs of sports RUclips
My hottest take: From 03-05, I said Melo was going to be a stratospheres worth better than Lebron with my whole chest lmao.
That was a hella of a hot take but ppl coming in top 5 picks saying u think one will be better isn't really that crazy
Its obviously a terrible take now with hindsight
@@Stopcommentingthesamecomments it’s not that terrible of a take. Melo could have had a better career had his ego not been as big.
He was never gonna be
@@TraphikHD na he always had lazy feet and played no defense
I appreciate the love for Hakeem. He is consistently one of the most underrated players in recent history. Very few people put him in the top 10 and he absolutely could make a case for it.
If you look at his playoff career, he might be around the 4th or 5th greatest player of all time. A rare talent who's efficiency and production increased as it mattered the most.
I think there's quite a few YTers who have him on their top 10.
Way overlooked and I think one of rings was considered the toughest championship run of all time. He was different fr. Glad to say he was on my Rockets
He's the best all-around center in league history and no one gives the Rockets shit for picking him over MJ
i normally have him around 11 or 12 cause im not puttin him over shaq duncan wilt kobe magic bird etc…
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Fr bro
Classic original comment that isn’t exactly like every other one lol
fr
@@Bmthighlights I mean tbh it’s true but ye it be in everybody comment section
True
With all the good young players I'm sure years later we will see this as one of the best eras of basketball ever seen.
Nope
100%
There is some crazy revisionist history going on here. The 2021 Nets and 2022 Lakers were definitely superteams. They may have been failed superteams but superteams nonetheless. The Nets had 2 MVP winners and a perennial All-Star. The Lakers had 2 of the top 10 players in the league and Westbrook who at the time was still seen as an All-Star caliber player.
Yep i agree he had a great point on the last part but the examples he gave were not helping his case too much
2022 Lakers were not a superteam and Russ was not an All-Star caliber player. Anybody that watched him over his last couple seasons with Houston and Washington knew he was on his decline and his play over last season all but solidified that. He was awful and AD was hurt for most of the season anyway.
the lakers are NOT a superteam... not AT ALL. what super team goes 42-30 or 33-49? the only time this team won the finals is the bubble when the league was just BAD. russel westbrook was TERRIBLE. LeBron carried but did not really carry fully. 80% of teams in almost any decent era would easily just beat the lakers. AD was also on and off.
No one considered the Lakers a super team. Only maybe if you're a casual who thinks Westbrook was the same as he was in 2017. A clearly washed player isn't a super team
@@AQGOAT24 Kendrick Perkins: The Lakers could win 70 games…
As a Blazers fan, literally all of those groups feel like a super-team after watching Dame play by himself the last 10 years
Lol
Did you forget he was playing with me? A HoF
Man needs some help. He's the modern time Reggie Miller
@@carmeloanthony5267 lmao
Blazers are terrible so that’s only natural
With NFL just starting, I can’t wait for the NBA season any more!!! Good thing we have Jxmy to get us through the off-season! Love u Jxmy!
At least the NBA backed a bit off their political angle last season, but watching how this NFL season opened shows they didn't learn from that mistake.
@@xenocide1307 what did they do except for honor queen Elizabeth II
@@xenocide1307 df is u talking about u knew they was going hanor her
@@xenocide1307
Let me guess, you’re a republican voter
Fr
Patrick Ewing was one of the best jump shooting centers of all time as well. He was ahead of his time in that regard, and would probably have developed a three, if he was playing today. He got a lot of flack at the time, because back then, they discouraged centers from being away from the basket, but as he got older, he evolved his game to include a consistent jump shot which became an important aspect of his arsenal.
Funny how the 90s great centers had decent jumpshot: Ewing, Robinson and hakeem
1. I’ve probably left less than 10 total comments on RUclips in my life.
2. I’ve never been a basketball fan.
Yet I can’t stop watching your content Jimmy. Such a great mix of entertainment and education. If success is finding a way to reach people you wouldn’t expect, you have arrived.
I’m happy someone with a platform finally made this point. I’m tired of people comparing skill for skill to see who’s the better player (cherry pick their answers too) when in reality people don’t account for how valuable each skill is to the players game.
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Thanks jxmy, for consistently putting out the best nba content on RUclips. Every time you release a video I’m absolutely pumped
I've gotta say the same! I discovered this YT channel some weeks ago and I'm absolutely addicted to it!
U should be pumped for Jesus..
@@juicychicken8100 well, I am. I follow Jesus and I love Him. But it's not a problem to enjoy good videos like these ones lol
@@juicychicken8100 Nobody pumps with Jesus
I like your takes, except on the super teams. Super teams are based off the perception of the players involved, not looking at their combined +/- in hindsight. If that were the case, super teams could never fail because you would only consider a team super if 3 players reached a certain +/-.
i like that and agree 100 percent. it reminds me the lakers with shaq, kobe, the mailman, and the glove. yea karl and gary were older, but thats still a super team lol and they made the finals. they lost and i guess in hindsight, based off jimmys take in this video, they arent a superteam. but they absolutely are. just like barkley, drexler, and hakeem. kyrie was the first overall pick in the draft, lebron was a former first pick, and love was a first round pick. all 3 all stars, and all 3 meeting up on one team. it wasnt like they were all drafted by the same team, stayed on the same team, and became great together. and that shit with the lakers with ad, russ, lebron, etc etc. yea that was created to be a super team. it just didnt pan out that way lol
@@gdirty7380exactly
Yeah it was kinda like he was intentionally trying to create a bad hot take to end his video. That's the only reason why I could think of we he said the Cavs weren't a super team or the Nets weren't a super team. The way I look at super team is a collection of 3 all star talents with at least one of them being a superstar and the ultimate goal is to win the finals with little to no resistance. The Cavs definitely fell into that category as well as the Nets. +/- ain't got nothing to do with it. Them failing to win has nothing to do with it.
I disagree. You’re practically saying any team that is just dominant, no matter their actual talent compared to actual super teams are considered super teams. Dominant does not equal super, the collection of their talent is still something that can be compared to teams overall. The warriors were a super team, because they were dominant with actual competition. Their sum of talent was just greater, and that’s just how it is.
@@trucc412 I never said anything of the sort. I said that "super teams" are created based on the perception of the players involved before even seeing them perform. In a way it is an arbitrary categorization. If a team signed 3 guys that are perceived as superstars, that team would be perceived as a superteam, even before they played a game. Whether or not they live up to that label is another discussion.
LOL at 8:00 we got a hot take from Barry McCockiner, what a legend. This man gets everyone with his trolls.
I’ve almost always agreed with Jimmy’s takes in his vids, but his last one I have to disagree. When you take 3 players who were the best player on each of their teams the year before and combine them onto one team, that is a super team. Their plus/minus shows that adding the parts will never match up to the whole once you put them all together, since there is only one ball to share, so it is an arbitrary stat to show how super of a team they are.
Exactly
Huh man! Facts!
dude, kyrie was the only good player on that horrible cavs team ofc he's gonna be the best player out that squad, and kevin love literally played for the poverty minnesota timberwolves, literally replace kyrie & love with any other all star on their first franchises and they'll still be considered the best player in that franchise at the time
Yea he sounds like he hit a blunt by then nets n lakers were superteams they both had no leaders thats all
@Marcus Christensson True but there was a difference. Russ was on the decline already, so he was indeed nowhere near to what he used to be. KLove was placed in an entirely different role. He went from a dominant post player and first option to barely getting post-ups and standing in the corner for threes. But utilization is another factor in the question "What makes it a superteam"
I love how he says “if you even say 2020 Lakers and super team in the same sentence you are a sick individual”as he says them in the same sentence😂
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Cavs & Nets were super teams, they both had trades & free agent all-stars join forces. I feel like you’re sleeping on Love because he had to sacrifice so much of his game to fit LeBron & Kylie, the dude literally averaged 26 & 12 the season before coming to the Cavs, he was a monster in the paint & was forced to stand in the corner to fit in
Kyrie was good, but he was only like 23 years old, K love was a good numbers bad team player (Still amazing) but they werent superstars, not to mention their bench was atrotious until 2017 then they faced the greatest team ever and blew it up next season. Brooklyn was a super team that never got going, so I'd label them as an attempted superteam
@@SK-ph3pn They both were most certainly superstars lol.
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@@davidelsea1296 Anyone who watched that season, woudl know that Kevin love was not a superstar and Cleveland were not a big 3, Kyrie became established after that Dagger 3 and the Chip with Bron, before that he was a nobody and Lebron literally changed him as a player just like he did to AD, before him they were both regular season players with extremely high skill ceiling.
The proof is in the trade, in what era does a franchise superstar player (yes klove's stats were that good) get traded for Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett and a first round pick on a team that is about to possibly win an NBA championship next season? Also I think the Cavs were like 2-20 something W/L with Lebron out and just Kyrie in during their tenure.
But yeah fact is Klove never had it in the playoffs, for some reason in big games he just gets rattled and looks out of it, he never showed up even in games where all he had to do was be a role player, heck Tristan Thompson probably did more for that team on defense, showing up with big boards in playoffs and dirty work.
@@davidelsea1296 what’s your definition of a superstar?…
Someone said to me that Hakeem would be a backup center in todays game. I asked if he would be a bench center behind Myles Turner and he said 100% yes. Speechless
That man needs to look up some footage.
If you took him straight from that era and put him right in todays game, he would struggle, but if he was raised around todays game, he’d still be the most skilled center of all time
Not Hakeem. But it’s quite true for a lot of centers back then. Besides, centers who can play D and stretch the floor are super valuable
Don't talk to that person anymore
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Hey Jimmy, I don’t know if you’ve seen OTE but they’re starting to make a lot of noise could you make a video on what their team means for highschool. It’s practically a super team they’ve built which I honestly think could beat a d1 school
When K.Love went to the Cavs everyone expected him to still average 20+pts/GM. Which put them in the super team category. That obviously didnt happen, but once a team is put in that narrative it's hard to break that mindset of the public/media
Not really his fault. Lebron and Kyrie are very ball dominant players who stagnate offenses.
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@@davidelsea1296 I mean they made 3 finals
@@davidelsea1296 Right, but they don't like to admit that players get worse playing with lebron
@@PhantomBulletGames It’s not that they are getting worse, they are just getting turned into Star role players. Loves ability to stretch the floor because of his shooting helped Lebron and Kyrie. They could never leave love open and they forced big men out of the paint
The Ben Simmons and Devin Booker comparison made me chuckle 😂
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Jimmy could make a video about him having a kid and title it “We thought this was impossible”😂😂😂
I disagree with the last point. Not because they didn't live up to the hype doesn't mean they were not a super team. Before the Cavs super team, Kevin Love dominated the paint, Kyrie dominated the point, and LeBron dominated the league. They underwhelmed not for lack of talent. So to me the difference between the Heat big 3 and the others is not in the word "super" but in the word "team".
Make a RUclips channel. You’d make decent content.
For me, it’s just really hard to call a team a “super team” with only one superstar. There needs to be at least 2 for me
Then the jazz are a super team I guess 🤷♂️
I don’t think they underachieved. I don’t have them as a super team because unlike Miami, Kyrie & Love didn’t lead their teams to the playoffs. The other difference is Cleveland trading for Kevin Love, so it’s not like they got him for free. They eventually rounded out the team to get Iman & JR which then turned them into a power house, because they were Top Heavy.
This is my point.
8:13 Jimmy not knowing who Barry is and calling him a random fan is the best thing ive seen today
The reason the Cav’s big 3 were “originally” called a super team was because all 3 at the time were 20+ ppg players that came together to form the core of a team, no team had done that since the the Miami Heat I’m 2010 and then before that the 71-72 Lakers(go back and look they were the first real super team with Baylor, Chamberlain, West, and Goodrich) even though I believe Baylor went down even before mid-season even though some believe the old Celtics with Cousy Russell and Havlicek were a bit of a super team…regardless those Cavs initially were thought to be a super team because of stats
can't forget about the celtics with garnet ray allen and paul pierce
that was the big three super team before lebrons miami heat
lebron with the old cavs took those celtics to seven games but after losing to them twice lebron realized he needed more help to beat them and since the cavs couldn't get him better help to compete with the celtics the lakers and the spurs he went to miami
@@brucejonesillustrations8721 exactly
Yup...and Dude's going to say that Khris Middleton is an All-Star - when he gets PICKED by Giannis or Durant - and yet K. Love is a "Fringe" All- Star, when he had FAR better stats than Middleton OR Bosh when he was in Minny AND made 2 All-Star teams in a WC stacked with forwards. You can build a team offense around Irving or Love (whether you'd WANT to is something else entirely) but you can't do that with Middleton. I'll also add that while I like Chris Bosh's game and he was a starter for the EC a couple times BEFORE he went to Miami....if he were out West, he'd have been on the outside looking in during that same period of time with Dirk, KG, Duncan, Melo, Gasol, Z-Bo, & Stoudamaire out there.
@@twilitezn Love was a beast in Minnesota but he sacrificed a lot of his game to make that team work so that's why he became a "fringe all star". He if was the main guy or at least the 2nd option his numbers would go way up
@@RafitoOoO if love was the MAIN guy they not getting out the 1st rd...he got punked in the finals by draymond and kd in the post which was supposed to be his bread and butter
The Ben Simmons one actually made me burst out laughing.
Is it bad that i lowkey disagree with it 😭😭😭 idk maybe im off crack
@fiix_ii ifs are a dime a dozen.
@fiix_ii a ton of players would be the greatest of all time if they had Curry’s shooting on top of their existing skill set bro, that’s not saying much
Me and my friends argue about stuff like this all time, but you make everything so clear and way more understandable😂
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Hot Take: If Jxmy does more of this, it can't get any worse ;)
(Great content as always!)
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Hot take: Jimmy has the best basketball channel on RUclips.
That's not a hot take, it's just straight facts.
@@albericponcedeleon2696 that's like literally an opinion. Go back to school
His basketball knowledge is abysmal though
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‘21 nets were absolutely a super team dawg that’s two former mvps in their prime + an all nba team player in his prime who all came in free agency along with a pretty decent bench squad
“If you took away Ben Simmons passing ability, he’d be a 6’10” Patrick Beverly.” 😂 He’s not wrong. And the LeBron led Miami Heat will be his best super team when it’s all said and done.
No.
Patrick Beverly has a decent shooting percentage.
Man, at least Beverly isn’t a 3-point liability💀
lol I thought at least Pat Bev can/will shoot...
Stupid take..take away shaqs height..hed be.....dumb
Beverley runs around doing nothing, when Ben plays he's top 3 DPOY contender
11:23 "If you even say superteam and 2022 Lakers in the same sentence, you're a sick individual"
also Jimmy in his video "LeBron Is Working On His Next Superteam" at 9:00: "I'm really not sure how you would make the argument that this isn't a superteam?"
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Always a good day when Jimmy is posting
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The Nets were a super team just a failed one. You could hardly have selected more talented current players to be on one team but they were toxic, injured, unable to play and could not make it work
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Calling Kevin Love a "Fringe all star" is disrespectful and lacks "context" as you said it. Love's numbers only plummeted because he joined Lebron, The year before him joining he was 2nd in BPM 3rd in PER, and 3rd in WS. In other words the 3rd best player in the league after KD and Lebron himself.
At the time Kevin love was universally considered the best power forward in the game. People trying to downplay how good he was are just trying to cover for Lebron.
This is facts. He was breaking Moses Malone records.
In four seasons prior to joining the Cavs, Love was averaging 22.9 PPG and 13.7 RPG on 45%/37%/82% on FG/3FG/FT while being an 3x All-Star with the only time he missed out on the All-Star selection was due to missing most of that season due to injury. Sure, he might've been stat stuffing in the wastelands of early 2010s Minnesota but the man was still sick.
Yet KLove failed to make play-offs for 7 seasons before joining LeBron. Context. Matters
@@1vaultdweller Yep. And Anthony Davis missed the playoffs 5 out of 7 years in NOH and was and still is considered a top 10 player when healthy. KAT missed the playoff 5 out of 7 years in Minnesota and is still considered an allstar. You dont get to scale back someones ranking when its convenient. Love was considered one of the top players before joining forces with Lebron. Thats just the truth
8:06 I’m pretty sure that’s Barry McCockiner, a fellow sports youtuber
This is never gonna stop. The problem is that we are not designed to take in so many opinions that we read on the Internet, so, therefore, reading so many views is always gonna have us confused and stressed.
This episode should be a series. Keep it up! :)
It is a series the hot takes series
@@NiX_xD Nice! I didn't realize that. Thanks for the heads-up. Good Job!
@@rajerdot4639 No problem, just open any video of Jxmy with a title similar to this and if it has the same music with takes or the Hot Takes intro, part of the series
I disagree on your KAT take. Comparing using simply numbers removes of the context of KAT’s shooting ability, as his 3s are usually much more difficult, off the dribble, and contested, and not open catch and shoots
I also disagree with the KAT analysis. He is a true big man, while some of the players mentioned by Jimmy are not. In my opinion only Dirk Nowitzki stands up against KAT.
@@richatlarge462 Peja Stojakovic. That is all.
@@dynamicflashy peja isn’t a big lmao
@@dynamicflashy Peja, Ryan, and Matt are not thought of as big men.
I did some diving saying Peja isn't a big, but the mfkr is 6-10! Lol Peja has a small percentage higher than Kat in 3pt percentage, but Kat shoots more. Peja was a unicorn at the time, you didnt see big boys shooting, like Dirk. Cousins I think you can compare Kat to, and Kat percentage wise, is better than Cousins. I'm a Wolves fan and I am bias, but numbers don't lie sometimes. Kat does shoot a bunch of contested shots.
The last take I don’t agree with. Looking at the context of how the team was assembled and their reputations at the time, the cavs were definitely a super team. Production after assembly doesn’t decide the super team
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@Jean-Patrice Paluku teams aren't the same as players. Stupid ass argument. A team with two free agent superstars joining it is a superteam, period. Production doesn't define shit.
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If you just look at what Love did with the Timberwolves, then you would've assumed he was going to average 20 and 12 every season they were together on better efficiency. I personally believe Love got worse after going to the cavs. They most certainly should've been a superteam being as though at the time the team was made Love was looking like a potential superstar, and Kyrie definitely was all star caliber talent
"...a 6'10 Patrick Beverly." - that got me...looking forward for more of your content.
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When man made the D-book, Simmons comparison I went, 'Man, i love this guy'.
Here's my take on 'super teams' and this actually happened when I was in Highschool. If you put all the good people on 1 team, and all the bad people on another team (not saying all the other nba teams were bad but) and the good team lose doesn't mean it's not a super team. It just mean it didn't work the way you wanted to together. Still a superteam. If Kobe, Jordan, and LeBron were to be on the same team it would be a super team as soon as the roster is made. And if they were to only win 10 games 😬 yeah, trash superteam
I wholeheartedly agree with you. That's why chemistry is so important in team sports, who would have thought 🤷🏻♀️
You are a sick individual if you think that Lakers team was a super team…No all the good players were not on one team. If all the players were still in there prime it would be a super team
not if you have a lebron who only plays half the season, wizards MJ and post ACL kobe
@@tridra5714 Exactly. People who call the 2022 Lakers a “superteam” are only looking at names, and never the context. Even before the season started, AD hasn’t had a full healthy season in years, Westbrook hasn’t been an all-star in 3 years and counting, and LeBron is LeBron.
So you think that this lakers team is a superteam?
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12:52
I have a hot take.... which I made back in 2018, yes you heard me I formed this hot take when it was only 2018, but I said that Giannis Antetokounmpo will retire the best or 2nd best PF of all time, and I got completely clowned for my hot take at the time, but nowadays people put more respect on my hot take but keep in mind i formulated that opinion back in 2018 and everyone thought i was stupid, im going to stick with the hot take, he isnt the best or 2nd best as of right now but i still believe he will get there and im going to stay with my hot take from 4 years ago
0:05 Ben Simmons take is actually good. He's good at pretty much everything besides shooting
Just because a team underperforms doesn't mean it wasn't a superteam, that just means that they choked. The Lakers and the Cavs were meant to be superteams, they just didn't live up to the level that they were supposed to. Net rating definitely doesn't tell the whole story.
we all knew russ sucked, melo was way past his prime and ads a beast ok but we all knew hes injury prone ... lakers were not a superteam
Didn’t line up to the level???? They went to 4 straight finals😂
That's part of my argument against KD going to the Warriors...People are mad because it worked...Stars have been trying this for years...sometimes it just doesn't work...Like the 2022 Lakers....
Lol Cavs were not a superteam. James and Kyrie were the only two good players on the team.
Lol Cavs were not a superteam. James and Kyrie were the only two good players on the team.
Nice seeing Barry McCockiner, truly an unexpected crossover
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Another interesting and poignant video. I'll always be a subscriber for content like this! Thanks for all the research and opinions, Jimmy!
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"If you took away his passing Ben Simmons would be a 6'10 Patrick Beverley" 😂😂😂
This is a very good analysis. But IMO, Yes, the Cavs can be considered a Super Team. Kevin Love had better numbers than Chris Bosh the year prior they played with LeBron, and very similar numbers while playing together. Plus their bench wasn’t that bad at all. But that’s just my opinion.
🤣 🤣 "super team " by the time Kevin love hot to the cavs he was a shell. Kyrie hadn't read his prime. LeBron carried that team.
@@ironbran12 No he wasn’t. He just went from first scoring option to third. Of course his numbers aren’t going to look the same.
@@M_is_for_Monty "went from first to third" thanks for proving my point.
@@ironbran12 after k love got injured in the playoffs their first year he was never the same
@@russellwoodruff5279 exactly
Lebron had full intentions of building/joining super teams. Just because they didn’t always pan out doesn’t take away from the fact that upon creation they were a super team. When the 2022 Lakers teams was built people were calling them the Avengers and saying that if they didn’t make it to the conference finals they were one of the biggest busts of all time, just because they were even worse doesn’t mean that at creation and on paper the team was super.
As soon as the question of best top 8 ever came up, I immediately guessed 87 or 88. Even without MJ, that's the most stacked top end we've probably ever seen in the NBA
Crazy to think that 3 of them where in the same draft class.
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11:24 you literally called them a superteam in the “lebron is working on his new superteam” video 😹😹😹
I usually agree with you Jimmy, but the 2021 Brooklyn Nets were 100% a super team.
All fun in games till you hear Jimmy say "let's look at the numbers"
I gotta disagree with the superteam take. LeBron has been on two superteams- one of them is the Lakers. A superteam is defined by its construction, not its on-court performance. As currently constructed, the three best players on the lakers are free-agent acquisitions, 2 or 3 of whom were the best players on their previous teams.
The Bucks' big three are two home-grown talents, and one star free agent. Not a superteam.
Brooklyn had three superstar free agents as its core. Superteam.
KD-era warriors had two home-grown superstars, and one superstar free agent. Normally that's not a superteam, but two of those guys (including the free agent) are all-time greats at their peak. Debatable whether that's a superteam. I think it was.
There should be a series.
I can only imagine what his class presentations were like…
You think he had his intro in them? 🤔
@@CG-zj2zh 😂
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Jxmmy, if you’re reading this, PLEASE don’t stop this series! ❤️
This seasons top 8 is actually so interesting. The throne is kinda up for the taking for a lot of guys rn.
3:42 Steph Curry is Steph Curry with a 36" vertical
The difference between superteams is that they HAVE to come together from separate teams. Its players coming together to form a championship caliber team. Home grown teams dont count for this criteria
Were the 97, 98 Rockets, 04, 12 Lakers and 13 Nets super teams?
superteams dont have to built from players coming from other teams. a superteam is a superteam no matter the condition
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Love these uploads hopefully this becomes a full time series
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My hot take: Dame had no business in the Top 75 Players, and I love Dame.
It's true not a hot take just one conference finals appearance he has no Playoff success. Luka already has atleast as much it not more
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My “hot” take: the timberwolves are two seasons away from making the finals (assuming good health and keeping the team together)
The Timberwolves the potential to be a top 4 seed in the regular season, although anything outside of that comes into question, but I see where you are coming from
Nope facts
Hell nah they is worse after the gobert trade
I could see this happening but I also doubt that Rudy Gobert will continue to produce at his peak performance as an aging defensive center
I mean they got the d fence, scoring, shooting, and young talent so I could see that but if Ant becomes a superstar they can be a dynasty