Jaguar I-Pace with improved charging curve
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
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Today I charged a 2019 I-PACE with all software upgrades current as of March 2021, and at 72% it was pulling 63kW, which is almost 30% faster than what Bjørn got when he filmed this video. At 80% it was pulling 53kW. It took 44 minutes to charge from 13% to 80%. This was on a 150kW Electrify America CCS 1 charger built by Signet, model HDP350K-NCM2 with a manufacturing date of Jan 5, 2020. Ambient temperature outside was 65F/18C.
Michael, I got the latest updates from Jaguar last week. And now it charges even faster. I was even charging at +100kW at 60%, and around 80kW at 73%…
@@demaarten79 Hei for that update zou need to go to jag? BTW on video new curve is 4 min faster.. dont look % but look time vs enery put in.
There is only one EV journalist and you are looking at him right here.
Bjorn, I just got the latest update from jaguar last week. My charging has improved massive. I charged 57kwh at 37 minutes. From 10 to 80 % is now done at an average speed of 95 kWh…
In my region, there is only one 50kW charger, so it doesn't matter if it can charge faster :-D
Where are you from?
@@victorc.979 Switzerland, Valais. A lot of 22kW chargers, but HPC, almost nothing :-(
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Also in Province in Italy, beside the Tesla Super Charger, there are only 3/4 50kW charger
I can dream of that. My side of suburban Edinburgh has a 7kw and a 22kw another mile away. Some faster in restricted city centre locations
Nice video Mr.Bjørn. Thank you very much! Happy holidays, with health and happiness. Merry Christmas! 🎄
Total power draw 68 kwh old, 75 kwh new. So either new has got 7 kwh bigger battery or it uses aprox. 6,5 kw heater.
Battery heater + cabin
@@bjornnyland 6,5 kw? Seems kinda high. Maybe the top buffer is smaller, so effective battery capacity is few kwh higher.
Voltage is also different, other high/low buffer configuration?
The old one charged 68 kWh to 90% of which 1 kWh was before 10%. That makes 67 kWh of charge from 10-90%. The new one was 75 kWh. How can you explain this big difference Bjorn? Initial buffer was 2 kWh. So still 3 kWh of other difference. Perhaps the old one was from before the I-pace received a range update?
Battery heater + cabin heater
Faster, but definitely slower and overall more conservative charge. That voltage at higher soc is definitely lower on the new one, but that battery can be pushed further. Any guesses??
I was chatting to an iPace owner just last night who said that when he takes his son to boarding school he stops and charges the car to 100% on the way to make sure he can get to a charger once he’s dropped his kid off at school.
@roadking080161 I think it was more the fact that there isn’t a rapid charger within 30 miles of the school.
Merry Xmas, Bjorn!!
Really enjoyed your road trips. Hope you get some quality time off with Wifey
What I see in this video is that the new one keeps the voltage lower, even at slightly higher current (so lower internal resistance of the cells?). Is it the same cell-layout still? According to Wikipedia the i-Pace has 432 cells. I guess it's a 4p108s layout which should result in a charge end voltage of 442,8V (4,1V per cell) to maybe 448,2V (4,15V per cell). @Bjørn, did you record the very ending of that charge session?
Wow, fantastic in-depth research. Please try again in summer to test with similar conditions as old I-pace. No ev-maker can fool TB
Not needed. Battery was heated up.
@@bjornnyland According to I-pace engineer, the advertised charging speed from 0-80% in 40 minutes is reached at 25 degrees Celsius ambient temperature. facebook.com/watch/live/?v=901760860221893&ref=watch_permalink
Everything over 40 minutes to 80% is way to slow.
I think 400km in 20 minutes is the minimum acceptable. We need to be at that level for EVs to counquer the world.
@@VirtuellJo Feels like they counquer the world already. Charging to 80 in under 30minutes would help.
its a bit wrong to think X time to Z percent, unless comparing a car to another one with identical range.
Because you must remember that car A and car B will go different range on Z percent.
In addition to this, what is %? Well, different cars also have different battery sizes.
So to make an example:
MOdel 3 LR/P can on supercharger V3 charge in about 300 km "real driving" on 12-15 minutes.
This is not 80%, its much less.
But on the other hand you have cars that do 300 km "real driving" while charged at 100%.
So while the Model 3 charges faster, it also goes much longer per charge than competitors with larger batteries.
SO this means you really have to compare: How long does it take to add xxx Km real driving range or: how much real driving range is added after 30 minutes?
And when I say real driving range, then I mean measured in a proper way.
For instance Porsche Taycan after 30 minutes, at summertime added 372 km.
Model 3 (before refresh with longer range), at summertime added 386 km on supercharger V2 or 456 km real range on supercharger v3.
These numbers are from this: www.naf.no/elbil/aktuelt/elbiltest/ladetest-sommer-2020/
Does the new one charge almost 9kWh more from 10 to 90% SOC, because you had the heater on?
Heater + battery heater
9kWh energy into the cabin and battery heat over the course of an hour sounds quite crazy.
EV owner since 2014 - all non-teslas - I have always charged to 100% each evening. I paid for a certain range to be available and should have that each day - anything else is idiotic at these prices. I have done the same with my '20 I-Pace, never experienced any range loss then or now.
It seems that Jaguar try to get a new peak for his data sheets. They are losing in the competition against Audi, BMW IX3 and Mercedes.
new car get more kwh ? so this is new one also have bigger avaiable battery ? or is more losses due to circumstanses
If you use the hazard light trick on the older models (turn them on before you hook up to the charger) , it will charge on 102 kw peak up to 36% SoC as the new model... then the old model will be even faster 😎
Say what? What is this devilry? I’ve not seen or heard of this?
Complete bunk
can you please better explain the "hazard light trick? 🤔
There is something very very weird going on here: old I-Pace has 1.28 kWh delivered at 10%. New I-Pace has 0kWh delivered at 10%
Old I-Pace was at 67.97 kWh delivered at 90%. New I-Pace had 75kWh delivered at 90%.
Old I-Pace took 66.69 to charge from 10% to 90%
New I-Pace took 75kWh to charge from 10% to 90%
Does the new I- Pace have less top and bottom buffer or what? This looks so strange to me...
Old I-Pace started below 10 %.
@@bjornnyland I already took that 1.28kWh into the calculation. I have seen other people ask you the same and you say it’s heater and cabin but just seems too much. I believe new I-Pace has more available capacity than the old one
Battery heater + cabin heater was on on new test. Old test was during summer.
The Tesla Mode. New Charging curve of my Old 75d Is only faster if you charge Till 60%
In order to be able to charge faster you say that you have to warm the battery. How do you heat the battery? By driving full throttle? What is the usual temperature range that the battery should be in order to charge quicker? Thanks in advance for your support Bjor. Best regards!
Yoyo driving
Which is not recommend if you care about your battery health, meaning degradation.
Old one curve is analogue, new one curve is digital. 💁♂️😉
Is the charging curve on the right limited to 200 A?
I see that maingau has boosted the pre of ionity up. So no solution for cheap ionity charging then? Or do you know a solution?
No christmas decoration in your office? Weird! :O
I think it's 50 50.
There's some way to trick the I-PACE by using the warning blinker. It'll charge at 100kW for much longer and shave like 8 minutes off the time.
I tried that of course and it didn't work.
Apparently if you stand on your right leg only its quicker as well
@@bjornnyland of course, it always sounded fishy to me but now Bjorn the Legend has tested it and it doesn’t work - that what I like with Bjorn, making his own measurements and not just repeating the marketing BS of car makers ❤
I dont understand why the ev brands make a charging curve with steps instead of a more flat curve...at the the end for the life of the battery is more or less the same but its a bit faster with flat curve.
Soooo slow compared to Tesla...
This is pathetic for a premium EV. I hope they will be able to upgrade the battery pack in 2021.
not impresive