It was. The issue is that politics has invaded the governing committees and so gender affirmation has become a priority over basic safety. This lady should live as she chooses BUT this is a combat sport and the female category exists SOLELY to protect participants from advantages that exist in male bodies thanks to dimorphism. The protected category should stay protected. Everyone is welcome to compete in the male category OR create a new a category.
It was. And this isn't even Khelif's first olympics and she's competed in other events since the incident at the world championships. A bunch of people just latched on to a lie that they could politicize and have now been amplified cuz of Elon on twitter.
@@jakestroll6518 Hold on a second- if this intersex (assuming she is actually intersex) boxer competes with male boxers, now SHE is in danger. Do you not care about her basic safety? Doesn't she deserve protection from dimorphism too?
And the simple fact she is from Algeria that considers being transgender as illegal. There is no way Algeria would allow anyone to change from male to female let alone let them on the Olympic team.
True. Also why nobody is pointing that she lost many times and she's not that strong? If she had this unfair advantage of high testosterone, why she lost all the most important fights and she's not a champion?
There is an actual American transgender Nikki Hiltz who is about to compete as a woman for the 1500 meter next week at the Olympics. Why I don’t see any post about that ,by anyone or any complaint???? But everyone and their mama is debating about Imane who is born a woman, like they have access to her medical files or have examined her. … Double standards when it comes to an Arab Muslim woman on the verge to win big . The white man who is actually pretending to be a female is sleeping with no stress while imane has to deal with all this backlash. Sick world .
@GoDxism it's a fact that LGBTV is punishable by death in Algeria, she would be han*ged before she makes it to the Olympics because it is a crime to be trans or g*y in Algeria.
@@r.e2391 it's almost like, it's more complicated than just male/female. Like there are grey areas that people have socially imposed upon the sex's that deem them to be on one side of the binary or the other. So how do you classify people based on ambiguous sex organs/chromosomes/hormones and what constitutes separating them out from other genetic anomalies.
@@bluester7177 Imagine before that she had to withstand poverty, misogyny and religious fanaticism in her theocratic home country which by the way outlaws transitioning but people are so ignorant and blinded by this almost exclusively western gender war to realize this common sense fact. This girl grew up with bigger and real issues than our first world gender crisis. She even used to sell bread as a child.
It’s advantageous to have strength, speed and reach in boxing. It should come as no surprise that people who express these traits flourish in the sport. I would imagine many female boxers have higher testosterone levels, longer arms, etc. than average.
Still doesn't change the fact this lady shouldn't have been allowed to participate, so even though I know more about the situation my mind still hasn't changed at all
@@knutthompson7879 martial arts is the wrong place for such nuances. if you are not 100% a woman, you have to start with the men. With anything else you risk women's health
@@knutthompson7879 It's not about the person but about the decisions of the IOC. It's about boxing. we're talking about completely different points of view. It's about muscle mass, bone density, endurance, not about whether this person isn't the sweetest person on earth.
A leaked French medical report from 2023 has confirmed that Algerian boxer Imane Khelif is male. The report, accessed by French journalist Djaffar Ait Aoudia, was drafted in June 2023 by experts at Paris' Kremlin-Bicêtre Hospital and Algiers' Mohamed Lamine Debaghine Hospital. The findings indicate that Khelif has 5-alpha reductase deficiency, a condition affecting sexual development found in biological males. According to the report, Khelif has no uterus and possesses internal testicles, with an MRI further identifying a "microp*nis." as reported by reduxx. It's not uncommon for family's with a child born with sexual organ problems to just decide to raise them like the gender they choose them to be.
@ If you look up Kremlin-Bicêtre Hospital Khelif and Algiers' Mohamed Lamine Debaghine hospital Khelif. There are some sections showing a snip of the medical document showing the disorder. Have to wait for more informant to be leaked to see more of the document if they show. If the documents can’t be fact checked then we can already just go by medical research logic like the known fact with a simple search that if an individual has xxy chromosomes they are a Man with a genetic defect. If you look up there name an xxy chromosome Google will say they are a women with xxy even though only men can have the xxy defect. No different then if you type in can men get pregnant on google they will say yes because there going off by identity instead of actual biology. But when you type in Klinefelter syndrome Also called: XXY syndrome in Google they tell the truth XXY syndrome Overview Symptoms Treatments Specialists A genetic condition in which a male is born with an extra copy of the X chromosome Klinefelter syndrome isn't inherited, but rather occurs only as a result of a random genetic error after conception. Males born with Klinefelter syndrome may have low testosterone and reduced muscle mass, facial hair, and body hair. Most males with this condition produce little or no sperm.
Finding this video on the internet is like spotting a unicorn. Finally someone with factual information delivered in a smart concise way. What a rarity in 2024.
@@sneakytacos773 The problem is that he just talks about intersexual possibilities in general and not about Khelif. Because in the case of her its clear now: XY chromosome set and a condition known as 5-alpha-reductase deficiency. This means that due to the resulting underdeveloped external genitalia, Khelif was registered as female at birth. However, she has genetically determined testes that, while usually undescended, produce enough testosterone to trigger male puberty. This gives her the criticized significant competitive advantage…
Since there is no real obvious solution to this complex situation I suggest that as of now in boxing there should be 25 fighters in the ring at the same time. No matter if male, female or between. Last person standing wins.
@@2000Cowboys pretty sure they banned a couple African runners semi recently for having too much testosterone as well. It’s by no means a new thing but a certain group of idiots decided to wake up one morning and cry about this specific one based on nothing more than some Russian guys word.
Thanks for this video. Every conversation I've seen about this has been completely to one side or the other and seemingly driven by ideological points. It's great to have an actual breakdown of the biology without any sort of judgement, or assumptions as to knowing "the answer".
Ok but in this guys case nobody is making assumptions. He clearly is XY chromosome and higher levels of testosterone that put him in great advantage. Who cares what his genitalia looks like. He was previously disqualified from an international competition by the International Boxing Association due to the fact he is XY and higher levels of testosterone. But the IOC said as long as they have a passport that says they are female suffice and are eligible to compete. What kind of joke is this. The Olympics will loose all of their credibility. Hope your daughters won’t have to fight against a guy. Spend all your money and time in preparing your daughter to get to international competitions and loose to these men. Then you might as well start doping females lets increase their testosterone levels.
It is not ideological or political to say a person with XY chromosome and corresponding much higher testosterone is male. Nope. Nice try though. Just like it is not ideological or political to tell the truth. Geesh.
this is completely sided but dressed with biology. He doesn’t speak about the important things people that don’t fight don’t know, the difference between a male and a female is so big that is almost certain that the woman can end up with non reversible head trauma for life, just by knowing that, a person with common sense would never allow this to happen in a sports competition. we didn’t until woke politics appeared
Load of Bull S Hi T, If you are XY=man, XX=woman. If you have male hormones and physiology influencing your body, you shouldn't be punching girls in the face. Basic humanity. "there are many psychological factors at play here!"
From the way he explains it I would say that having a Y chromosome would most probably lead to higher androgen levels, which in turn cause more male-like bone and muscle growth. This gives a huge advantage to the individual when competing in a physically demanding sport against individuals of XX chromosomes.
That’s because it’s simple if you’re biologically male you compete against other males if you’re female you compete against other females. There’s no nuance to it at all. If we go the nuance route then it’s not out of the realm of possibility some older person who’s trans age(yes that’s a thing look it up) could identify as a child and compete as a fully grown man in kids sports. Is that what you want? Sometimes deft discussion is needed and sometimes you draw a line and say nope not here not now.
For those saying oh no it’s not possible someone who’s older could identify as someone younger for the purpose of sport trust me it is. We’ve seen the boundaries of reason and logic and basic scientific understanding pushed so far when you give certain people an inch they take a light year so just wait it’ll happen.
Intersex and the history of Sports. Stories around Stella Walsh, Helen Stephens, María José Martínez-Patiño, Santhi Soundarajan. Shows history is soon forgotten in time.
@@Laura-lc2ioYou won't have a normal discussion with woke weirdos😂😂. XX chromosomes should compete in one sports category and XY in the other one. Intersex should be a extra category simple, as.
@@Slasher43 Unfortunately you're probably right. Whenever I hear "yes, there's male chromosome, but you HAVE TO be open minded..." I know that discussion is closed.
It should be pointed out that all of this is just a allegation by an unaccredited Russian boxing association. We don't know that any of these rumors are true, regarding intersex or XY chromosome. There has been no legitimate testing by an accredited entity. Her birth certificate and passport say female,and those are the only facts recognized by the Olympics at this time.
Bro you really think a Muslim country (where being homosexual could get you jailed and gender transition surgery are illegal) would do this type of bullshit?
Exactly. Pure gaslighting und muddeling the waters. As if XY weren't a pretty reliant thing to determine "male" or "female". XY can only be considered female/woman if the Y is *completely* inactive. Those women don't have higher testosterone levels or that male build but rather have to deal with a lot of other health issues. Imane was born a boy with ambigous genitals. Since one doesn't box with ones micro-P.. I'm sooo over "this is so complicated" just to spare some dudes feelings who uses his male advantage in womens sports. And I don't care, why he feels or thinks he is a woman (DSD or trans) - if one is male he has no place in the womens category, even if idiots consider it to be "kind" or "inclusive".
@@DR.DRE.123. she’s not a man dumbass. What the media is saying is pure bullshit. If the boxer was from the us or Canada they wouldn’t be complaining about it. Simple as that.
These are biological men with DSD. They have XY chromosomes but underdeveloped male gentalia with internal testes. They will have gone through male puberty and be as strong as a man. And men have a 6 time punching force of that of a woman.
@@borrow4654 Look up Khelif. According to International Boxing Association (IBA) president Umar Kremlev, DNA testing of Khelif and other athletes "proved they had XY chromosomes and were thus excluded from the sports events"
She knocked on the door and asked if she can box, the IBA tested her and said no, she knocked again and the IOC answered, checked her passport and let her in. There's a reason the IOC usually cedes to the sports governing body to make these decisions.
So what should the organization do? First of all, the olympic committee says the source for saying she's intersex is not credible. But let's say she is. What should the olympic committee do in these cases. If she has female sex characteristics but a XY chromosome, should she not be allowed to play in women's sports? Should she be required to play in men's sports? But she's clearly not a man (per our usual definitions) either, because she doesn't have male sex characteristics. So, should she not be allowed to play - at all? Like the doctor said, I don't think there are easy answers here.
@@GoSolar they have to draw a line somewhere and what you're passport says isn't robust enough, or at least the professional organisation that knows more about boxing than the IOC clearly does thinks so, much like a lot of other sports.
@@mw56101 I understand about needing to draw a line, but should a person with XY chromosome but female sex organs be required to be in the men's division if they want to compete? That seems at least as objectionable. Or should such a person simply not be allowed to compete at all?
Really appreciate the way Dr. Sutterer covered this topic. Lot of ppl reading stuff on Twitter and just assuming the Olympics allowed a man to beat up a woman. Lot of misinformation. Thanks, Doc, this is a touchy subject that you didn't have to cover but you did in order to get the information and science out to your audience
Yeah, it's sickening to me how they labeled her a man. A person born a woman and lived her entire life as a woman - to be then called a man for a disorder is utter disrespect. But it's definitely easier to spread this misinformation than to call her "woman with disorder" - "male beating up woman" is a better clickbait. And then these same people pretend like they have empathy for the competitors. Half the people even think she is a trans woman. I think it's cognitive disonance - they refuse to accept that XY person can be a woman, because accepting that would ruin their simplistic beliefs. But even a single google search can show you that many XY women have given birth in the past. And also that XX men exist - yet they never address these things, but rather push their head into the sand to ignore it.
@@CryShana In boxing it matters not which gender you chose to live your life as, but the biological sex to which your body is more anchored, since male gives a material strength, size, and stamina advantage.
@@CryShana The Y chromosome gives her all the advantageous male traits one could have for sports. The brutal beating of the mexican boxer in Imane's first fight was a horrific scene. Never in the history of the olympics had a female boxer walked out of a fight with a disfigured face until a couple days ago. The fact that you all pretend not to see it is disingenuous and disgusting. You know why TRT is illegal? Because testosterone levels are directly related to performance. The fact that this person may have been born with a female genitalia doesn't change the fact that she looks like a man, moves like a man and hits like a man.
@@CryShana The Y chromosome gives her all the advantageous male traits one could have for sports. The brutal beating of the mexican boxer in Imane's first fight was a horrific scene. Never in the history of the olympics had a female boxer walked out of a fight with a disfigured face until a couple days ago. The fact that you all pretend not to see it is disingenuous and disgusting. You know why TRT is illegal? Because testosterone levels are directly related to performance. The fact that this person may have been born with a female genitalia doesn't change the fact that she looks like a man, moves like a man and hits like a man.
@CryShana Wrong , that's what happens with simple Google searches. The individuals documented has chromosomal mosaic of swyer syndrome and turner's syndrome..your assertion is misleading
@@seaside9670 never will be, that’s right. Biological differences are a fact. Women in sports should not compete with men in sports. We are women who want to have the right to compete with women in the same weight division, drive, go to school, work , and just be treated as less than body parts. It was never a secret that hormones determine the difference in brute strength. That’s why in sports, men and women are separated. Even within males. 170 lbs males cannot compete with 250 lbs males. Yet they both still have an equal chance to vote, work out, go to school, and earn for the same job .
At time = 4:45 he clearly states that this is not a black/white thing. But unfortunately, sports are divided into man/woman categories. Then, my conclusion is that we are lacking clear and fair rules for this categorisation. How much grey is allowed to remain in the white category, and not to move into the black category? Well, he also states he has no response to this: my understanding is that this is a typical problem of turning a continuous and analog situation into a discrete and digital grouping. There will always be some unfair decision.
When does the grouping happen? When do we test? Every single child athlete? The billions of them who could rise to be an Olympic athlete (bearing in mind, barring the elite are amateurs who are the best in their countries at a sport, with no reason to question their gender assignment let alone their testosterone levels
Something I think he *doesn't* make clear enough is that not everyone with this type of condition *knows* that they have it. If you're born with a vagina, raised as a girl for your entire childhood, then later during puberty start developing traits that make you appear less feminine than other girls, you aren't going to suddenly go "Oh, I guess I'm not a woman, then." Another very important thing to note is that someone with DSD may have higher testosterone than average for females, but still much *much* lower than average for males. So, even with elevated testosterone, their hormone levels can still be far closer to female levels, so if you have to categorize them one way or another, how does it make any sense to group them with men?
At the heart of this whole conflict is the fact that people on the political right insist there are only 2 boxes people can fit into, and people on the political left have been creating more boxes, but nature sees no boxes and has no need to abide by our "rules". That's proving awfully inconvenient, however, with the way we've decided to set up gender-based divisions in sports. We want competition to be as "fair" as possible, but fairness is subjective, so there's a whole lot of room for disagreement. It's also vitally important to mention, however, that on the subject of Imane Khelif specifically, there is currently no actual proof of her having a condition like the ones described in this video, only hearsay, so anything related to her is pure speculation. To anyone reading, don't believe the things people are saying in internet comment sections, because they're all playing a stupid game of telephone.
Fascinating. Is there an explanation as to why this DSD has never been an issue prior to 2024? Were prior athletes never suspected due to the absence of popular discourse?
He was born a XY. There needs to be some way to qualify male and female for sports etc. This has been the determining factor since the discovery. Even with errors there needs to be a clear cut way to determine sex. It is being made more complicated than it needs to be.
XY females exist just like XX males exist. As the creator of the video points out, sex determination is more complicated than which chromosomes are present. A lot depends on how the genes on the chromosome function. If the SRY gene is translocation to an X chromosome, that sperm will produce an XX/SRY+ male complete with testes and male puberty. Should this person be put on a female sports team?
There is such a thing called intersex much like a hermaphrodite these people are both male and female. My daughter has Tripple X syndrome. It's not always so cut and dry. Her very own mother has spoken out about this and people want to call her a liar.
Hey doctor, please could you explain the DSD 5-ARD? If this is the DSD that Khelif has, the IBA was absolutely corrected in banning Khelif on safety grounds alone, never mind eligibility grounds. Making out that this is a DSD of less consequence is just as much misinformation as saying Khelif is “trans”.
Has anyone seen Cris "Cyborg" the Brazilian MMA fighter. She has a daughter, she also easily has the strength of the average man, look her up. She isnt banned and is tested prior to MMA fights. Cyborg is way more muscular and stronger than this fighter in question. Maybe we should ban basketball players that have a pituitary gland disease that made many of them tall?
It's the presence of testosterone whether it's natural or not its performance enhancing. And that is where the actual problem arises the Russians would inject their female boxers with testosterone and it gave them a competitive edge. Can I go step in the ring if I have the chance of getting beat up by a woman?
It's super common to have more masculine looking woman here, I know at least two, both have children, but also, XY women can also have children sometimes, so complicated.
Sorry but saying that Cris cyborg has the strength of AVERAGE man is ridiculous it's like saying that women's 100m record holder has the speed of average male. Have you SEEN an actually average man going up a flight of stairs?
@@KasumiRINA A 25 to 35 year old male has a lot of strength, I am over 55 and I doubt she can squat or bench as much as I can. Hands down she beats me in cardio. You are missing the point about the boxer being controversial because of her strength against the weaker opponent. That opponent had no musculature, it was ridiculous as soon as I saw the fight.
Thank you Dr Sutterer for taking the time offer this nice introduction into the nuance of male/female differentiation, it was very kind of you to do so.
The female boxing category could simply be limited to fully female, XX chromosomes, participants. A male category and maybe other different category can also be in place. This would be fair, safe, and protective of female boxers.
The problem is that sex isnt so straight foward as XX and XY. you can have an XX phenotypic male. There are many ways this can happen, like translocation of the SRY gene, to an X chromosome, or to an autosome or a mutation in an X-linked or autosomal gene in the testis-determining pathway just to name two. You can also have an XY female with CAI gene. There is also not just XX and XY. What do you do with XXY, XXX, XYY? Did you know it's not that rare either? The prevalence is about the same as redheads.
According to InterACT, a major organization for intersex rights in the US, states that 1.7% of people have some variation of sexual development, 0.5% have atypical genitalia, and 0.05% have mixed/ambiguous genitalia. No, not one in a million but far from common.
either way whatever the Gender is when born falls either more toward the female side or the male side. Imane Khalif could be a hermaphrodite, who maybe has woman's genitalia but internally has a male reproduction. If you look at he/she I see no breasts, the large jaw line is characteristic with male features, you can see a more manly body type, granted some woman can look masculine. Imane Khalif was already rejected from a fight due to gender. So why on earth would the Olympics allow this ? of course they want to support there decision to not look like fools.
@@dflfd that is because intersex advocacy organizations include the widest number of conditions possible in their numbers, but researchers prefer to use much more limited definitions. "Anne Fausto-Sterling and her book co-authors claim the prevalence of "nondimorphic sexual development" in humans might be as high as 1.7%.[8][9] However, a response published by Leonard Sax reports this figure includes conditions such as late onset congenital adrenal hyperplasia and Klinefelter syndrome, which most clinicians do not recognize as intersex; Sax states, "if the term intersex is to retain any meaning, the term should be restricted to those conditions in which chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in which the phenotype is not classifiable as either male or female", stating the prevalence of intersex is about 0.018% (one in 5,500 births), about 100 times less than Fausto-Sterling's estimate."
Really concise, well explained video about the issue. Thanks for breaking down a lot of the misconceptions and nuances and encouraging people to have an open mind about this
The doctors info does not apply in this situation. This Algerian boxer has an XY chromosome with corresponding much higher testosterone levels, meaning they are MALE. This doctor made a simple thing more complicated with is smooth talking. Geesh.
@@PracticalPerrywhat source do you have this from brother. I believe that that boxer is actually a male but I haven’t seen a for sure article saying SHE is a HE
I agree with you that the way they were born is no fault of their own but, when you say you don't no how to classify them as male or female ... fair enough give them their own category ... just don't put them in with the females ... it's not fair to the females, and their are safety issue
Khelif definitely looks like a dude. I would never mistake him for a woman like Pat could have been. Wonder if he shaves or has had facial laser hair removal 🤔
Just for clarification. If testicles develop internally as opposed to externally, doesnt somehow make them ovaries. Nor does a penis become a vagina. These are just deformities from the norm. These cause it to become difficult to determine sex at a glance. These deformities dont somehow make "sex" a murky classification.
exactly. Intersex is a very tricky term because it sounds like it implies an in between which is literally physically impossible. It is sexual development disorder, its not a grey sex area. Its murky at a glnace as kids, but its not an in between. Gamete determine sex, even with a micro penis or no penis, a male is a male.
I've been watching your NBA content, but this got me to subscribe. Very impartial, thoughtful, and empathetic perspective. Thanks for explaining Brian.
There is a correlation between the Y chromosome and strength. Maybe it would be easier to classify sports as XX and XY rather than male and female. If someone has a Y chromosome, then they have the capability for higher levels of strength, so they shouldn't compete against someone with XX chromosomes.
That's not how this works. If the gene on the Y chromosome doesn't work properly, it doesn't give the same advantages as a normal Y chromosome. It's a specific gene on the chromosome, not the Y chromosome itself that's responsible for the development of male anatomy.
@@annaa3772 the specific gene you're referring to is sry gene and it IS present in xxy people!! which causes them to have masculine development and give them unfair advantage against a female in sports
Props to this explanation in educating all of us in a world where any small slip up in explaining people try to cancel you for saying “something wrong” Thanks for continuing to educate us with the medical science in the sports world.
This is a come back 3 months after my initial comment here. Why didn’t you make yet a part 2 of this video knowing that he is a male? Its confirmed now but none of you apologise for missinformation you preach. The way you made this video is an insult to your audience intelligence, don’t think that if you use “very complicated “ process people will be too lazy to read for themselves. The truth always come to surface eventually. Waiting for you to apologise to the audience for your fake statements.
There should be a separate level or classification for these individuals to compete against others in there category or with their physiology. Wouldn't that be more fair.
Keep in mind, there's be no legitimate test. All these claims are rumors that came from a graphic unaccredited Russian sports association, 3 days after she beat a Russian boxer. Right now the ONLY hard evidence is from her birth certificate and passport which identify her as female.
@@guerrarsenali was gonna say exactly that, too late 😂 can you believe this Bozo, he should fight a heavyweight male and see how it feels to get his skinny ass pummeled
@@guerrarsenal comments that dont agree with me are the scariest thing I swear, just delete the whole comment section before I shiver and cry uncontrollably
People who have ambiguity in their physiology should have a different competitive event so they can also compete with similar individuals.... And people who identify as males or female should have their own respective competitions
Thats doesn’t work no one would fund it, watch it, or even compete in it, same reason why the wnba loses money each year it’s only kept around because of the nba despite still being “popular”.
they are 1.7% intersex people in the world and the percent that are olympic qualifiers is even smaller. there have only been 18 olympians with the conditions and it’s not just a recent think because of “the woke mob”. khelif is playing with her biological sex and has been since she was a child, in a country where she would be arrested or killed if she was actually trans and people found out. doesn’t line up at all.
@@mattdillon4398 yes its easy if biolagically we are born male or female, but if you listened to the video, there are sadly abnormalities with some humans that may have man physical appereance but organically their body is female. Or vice-versa
Did the IBA specifically say that Imane Khelif had XY chromosomes ? As far as I know the offical statment of the IBA was that "she didn't pass the female gender test". IBA never revealed the kid of tests they performed while we know that not all organisations perform genetic tests to determen the competitors gender. Some organisations tests consist only on looking at the physical aparence of the boxers.
I remember hearing as many as 1% of people are born intersex - the “unclear” genitalia at birth you were discussing. In some cases, one of them functions and one does not or perhaps neither are fully functional, but that’s a large # of people and there isn’t enough discussion about it
Intersex people represent 1.7%, about as common as natural redheads. They're relatively common in our society and have been forced to hide it and conform to binary presentation one way or the other. We definitely don't talk about it enough, and society has made it completely unsafe to be open about it. It's heartbreaking that we are at this point.
@@PracticalPerry If she's not intersex, why does she have a female passport and why is she in the female boxing category? No one said she was born male and had a sex change, nor that she is fully male. Doesn't that only leave some kind of intersex condition?
There isn't enough discussion about it, and when there is people still have a tendency to want to declare for someone else whether they are male or female, they still tend to have problems with the grey areas. It's easy to see why, but it's very unfair on intersex/dsd individuals.
@@JM-The_Curious No. Passport and female category does not prove anything. After doing more research, I see conflicting reports and I don't trust the media. I don't know what to believe.
Regardless of abnormalities of genes and/or hormones, if the testosterone level and physiognomy is biological male, then they need to be excluded from female sports participation. My opinion is based on thirty years as a practicing female physician, not on emotion. While it is “no fault” of the said boxer, it is incumbent to consider the risks of death and/or grave injury such people could cause by their participation.
a human being with XY chromosomes, pen*s and testicl*s, no uterus, shouldn't be allowed to compete in women's sport. Just create a new category, but don't call it women's sport. Let's stick to reality and give us some basic shared rules, please
@@slappytitzAh, a specialized doctor, providing scientific explanation, must be woke! If you clicked on this video expecting him to call Imane a man you were definitely wrong, babes. And even so, trans people are backed up by science. Wonder when will we learn not to "believe everything on the internet" without solid proof...
I keep hearing the good doctor reiterate how this is all "through no fault of her own". FAULT is not in question here. This is a matter of an individual who, "through no fault of her own", has an unfair physiological advantage over her peers because of abnormal development. The gross misconduct is not in the athlete, but rather within the committees that deemed her as a fair contender within the parameters that all the other athletes within her specific category are measured.
Your opening statement, "If you think the difference between male and female and the subsequent gender identity is as simple as having or not having an X chromesome..." is a flawed statement. All humans have an X chromosome. Normal females have XX and normal males have an XY. So having a Y chromosome will render you as a male, even if you have XXY (Klinefelter's), you would be considered male, although, you may have feminine features. 🤷♂️
It’s not as if this is a complicated issue or a particularly nuanced one. Men shouldn’t compete in women’s sports. That’s all the critical thought needed on this issue
Why? So far one woman quit to preserve her physical health, there will be more. I have 4 daughters, a wife I adore, 2 sisters and an elderly mother. Imagine if it was one of them? Civilized is long gone, time to fight for women’s rights not to get beaten up in public and sicko given a medal..
Well put. Thanks for explaining this. I initially thought it was terrible they allowed her to fight but it does sound like it could be a lot more complex than it first appears. I do feel sorry for her getting all the backlash
No it's not complex. Its really simple, they should have not let that woman beating scumbag in the ring. Shame on you and the doctor for defending this
You ever been to boxing? Got into a single sparring? Then you will know why they separated men and women there and why testosterone is banned substance. This woman grew up with abnormal level of testosterone for decades. Growing muscle and bone density like a man. And you still think this should be right? Why did we separate men/women in sports to begin with? So that women who have disadvantages of not growing up with testosterone can compete each other. It is not matter of 'do you have pee pee or not?'
If someone has a y chromosome, they aren't female. Period. (Which, incidentally, is something they have never had this athlete has never had a menstrual period, as that is not physically possible for people with a y chromosome.) The Algerian boxer is a male born with an extra x chromosome. They are male with a chromosomal abnormality. Definitely not female😂
You guys want to hear my theory of how this is being "taken care of". She had the past issues/allegations, boxing world was like "well shit, what do we do with this situation..." guy in the dark corner says "put her in the Olympics, have the other fighter quit and say she's never been hit that hard before on international tv." Problem solved.
it has been around for decades. At least since the controversies surrounding the GDR athletes in the 1980s. The difference in public awareness is probably because now Elon Musk is trying to exploit it for financial/political reasons.
Because no one cared. Now, republicans have spent 3 years pushing trans hate propaganda and implanting it into everyone’s minds. It’s very simple and easy to see.
Please dont muddle the argument. The conversation is not about whether Khelif is male or female. It is about fairness and safety. Obviously she possesses physical anomalies. The XY genotype confers physical advantages and people with that should not be competing against xx chromosomes athletes. The feelings and issues that Khelif (who has xy chromosomes) and similarly afflicted people have, while unfortunate, has no place this debate. The issue is fairness and safety in women's sports.
Reading people ignorantly proclaiming how simple the right answer is in the comments is simultaneously both funny and disheartening 🤦♂️ He didn’t take a side so people couldn’t be mad at that, so instead they decide to be mad at the suggestion that the situation has nuance 🤷♂️
He is literally a web doctor who is ideologically driven clearly. Firstly he asks to think about it from the Algerian persons point of view but completely fails to look at it from their female opponents point of view getting punched in the head by someone with male biology. Secondly we have known hermaphrodites for a long time now. They are not transgender and lumping them in together is intellectually dishonest. hermaphrodites are born with a mixture of genitalia, transgendered have the biology of one sex but have the psychological opinion they are the other. Lastly if you have male biology, you should not be competing against females especially in chat sports because it is not safe. End of.
I understand your point of view doc. I understand some people can't be put into a clearcut bucket of male or female and I truly indorse Imane Khelif's right to take part in the sport. But you also mentioned that having a Y chromosome gives clear advantage in terms of increased testosterone levels and masculine features. So, its equally unfair for Angela Carini (a woman with XX chromosomes) to fight Imane Khelif (XY chromosome). It would be fair for both biological beings to compete with opponents who have the same sex chromosomes as them. That's my opinion...
It also gives disadvantages, and 1 in 10 of every XX women also have high testosterone, because they have PCOS, and it isn't always a good thing, basically you have hair you don't want and gain weight easily, also, diabetes.
Yes, it is fair since she has LOST to 9 women before this. So clearly, she doesn't have this huge advantage. She won against a another woman who didn't know how to fight properly (as she didn't protect her face, it wasn't a good punch towards her), she was bad and she lost. Just as Imane was bad before lost to 9 other women.
@@bluester7177 Is it true in Imane’s case though ? Doesn’t Imane clearly look more Masculine and strong ? Clearly overshadowing the opponent. Just use your eyes. Don’t you feel it’s unfair ?
You can't say what this athlete's exact situation is without more testing/exams BUT the likelihood of the athlete having male characteristics just based on the chromosome, hormones, and phenotype is very very high. This means an unfair advantage in a sport that divides male from female. This athlete is probably ineligible to compete with females.
We should just ban taller and bigger men right? Since most men wouldn't be able to compete. Contests like this are not for everyone, freaks of nature commonly come out on top. You cannot bar freaks of nature, they are who we want to see, not average joes.
But the thing is, this isn't a case of transgenderism. She was born with female reproductive organs. This is rare but it does happen. It's unfortunate because in this day and age where transgender ideology is shoved down our throats 24/7 it make people jump to conclusions without all the facts. I feel like NBC didn't do a good job of explaining this either and then the internet jumped all over it.
It is disputed whether Khelif has XY chromosomes. You should be upfront about that when you mention the allegation at the start of the video. Also, the fact the IBA and Kremlev, who are making that accusation, are being discredited.
They are still IBA. What makes Khelif a woman? Seriously? Why should I believe his passport, and not IBA's test? Why at all would IBA go after him and Lin? A special grudge?
This did not resolve the issue. Listening to this it definitely sounds like this person should be classified as not female as far as competing in sport is concerned. Common sense.
That's literally not what he said we should do. All he said is that you can't take chromosomes as a quick and dirty rule to categorize people with Disorders of Sexual Development.
@@dandiaz19934 what he says does not settle the matter. He's basically saying the Y chromosome did not result in fully formed male genitals. But still a Y chromosome and expressing itself enough for everyone to see in the male physique. You can't just accept his opinion based on him being a doctor. Doctors are the ones who also believe you can be born in the wrong body necessatitatiing mutilation surgery to 'change sex'. You cannot just accept what a doctor says unfortunately. That's where we are.
But the thing is, this isn't a case of transgenderism. She was born with female reproductive organs. This is rare but it does happen. It's unfortunate because in this day and age where transgender ideology is shoved down our throats 24/7 it make people jump to conclusions without all the facts. I feel like NBC didn't do a good job of explaining this either and then the internet jumped all over it.
Um I thought she was a 'woman hemmie'. Someone who has both parts but ability to get pregnant and give birth. (I've seen a documentary about a woman like this, she looks like a man, has some male parts but got pregnant and gave birth). But Iman doesn't have any female parts, just abnormal male ones. So he's male. Doctor assigned Iman female did not see the parts (ts were on the inside).
This has been going on for as long as I have known myself to have comprehension. Soviets and Germans used to love using this loophole to dominate back in the 70's to 90's before other camp's caught on, once those appeals started rolling in they shut that sh!t down.
@@xx133 it was reported numerous time's, Caster Semenya was banned and stripped due to it. Just like this current athlete is banned by boxing but not by the Olympics committee hence why they're able to compete with a spiked testosterone level.
This is not a loophole. It's just a complex biological topic that many people haven't yet agreed on a good testing method on or criteria to maximize fairness while not exluding too many people. In this case, IBA used the oversimplified definition that female is someone with XX chromosomes. The problem with this definition is that such a female can take testosterone before puberty to develop male physical characteristics and then stop - she would then revert to her old hormonal profile with low testosterone but keep certain male characteristics like wider ribgcage, bigger bones, etc. You can see this doesn't really make much sense in terms of fairness. We should realisticially be looking at physical characteristics and hormones. I don't have a solution for this, maybe something similar to weight classes could be made. The Olympics disregarded IBA's oversimplifeid criteria because it excluded too many born-women from competing even if they had zero advantages (not all XY women have advantages).
@@DR.DRE.123. why r u lying? Let's be true here you people are racist agents all races black people Asian people and also Arabs Y'll crying because a blonde white lady lost a fight against a non blonde white lady? You're so racist.
I’d like to see some case studies. Thanks, Doc. You repeat the info a few times and and manage to keep it all muddy. -Also, I could really use some graphics right now.
I get it doc i get it, but shouldn’t these “competitive advantages be checked before qualifying?” I mean Competition has to be fair. As stated by you these hybrid athletes are not 1 in a million case. Hence, they should check each athlete for this issue and should not allow them to compete, rather there should be a separated devision for them. Paralympics is there, why there couldn’t be a separate category for hybrids as well. M not against them. Im just against mismatching. An advantage is an advantage whether it is testosterone or XY chromosomes or higher level of any enzyme salt. We ban doping in marathons by not letting players wear a certain shoe that will make them faster. So why this leverage for biology? This is not a trance issue but an olympics issue. This is also a doping a biological doping advantage.
Competition is inherently unfair. This is the equivalent of saying we should regulate height in basketball because it gives you an insane advantage. You cannot make sports fair as long as someone has an advantage it will be unfair.
@@catinacafe7105 it is, but that doesn’t mean one should allow such atrocities. By this logic all men should compete in woman sports. And women will perish as a sportswomen. Even Serena Williams said it in one of her interviews that even though im no 1 in womens Wimbledon, to an average ranking man, i could not return his serve.
The thing is, there's wasn't a way to know until modern more accessible genetic examinations could detect the issue. And then with that new visibility, more research had to be done on the DSD cases, and it uncovered stuff we didn't really know about before. Most of these women never find out. As far as we all knew, they were born female and lived as women. It's not a group known to be trans-masc either. Or even drawn to sports more than average. Unless you do a very specific gene test, no one would know. Its just a Y chromosome that failed to raise 'boy' signal, so the body defaults to being female. Then the body processes hormones just like a female too. For XX females, it is much harder to grow muscle due to how hormones are processed, even when adding testosterone manually. These X(y) females deal with the same problems. There hasn't been any competitive difference found so far.
I'm a fencer, not professional. I advise you to check the age of winners of gold medal. Hint : fencing taught to me that division between male and female is essentially cultural. In others sports it can play a role... And sports are culturally built. Biology is complex, society is complex, neat little boxes belongs to wishful thinking... Not reality
That's all very interesting, but all that matters in athletic competition is if XY chromosomes gives someone a physical advantage that nobody XX could have. It's about fairness. Gender designations and genitals are irrelevant.
Not faulting anyone's birth. It is simple though. There are external genital variations, but XY = male, with the exception of DSD variation XY complete gonadal dysgenesis (Swyer syndrome). It should painfully obvious (pun intended for the women who have to fight them) that the 2 boxers Khelif and Yu Ting clearly have mild PAIS and not Swyer syndrome. Someone with Sawyer syndrome would be visibly frail as they would not even be able to go through puberty without hormone replacement therapy, let alone be competing as an Olympic athlete! And the excuse about Algeria not accepting intersex means Imane = woman makes no sense. It only makes the advantage Imane would have had even larger as growing up, they would have never received hormonal treatment, hence their testosterone levels would have been completely unmitigated and would have developed (as we have seen) completely as a male except without the external genitals (assuming). ### Sports Performance, Specifically Boxing: 1. **Physical and Hormonal Considerations**: - **XY Gonadal Dysgenesis Without Hormone Replacement Therapy**: - Without hormone replacement therapy, individuals with XY gonadal dysgenesis will have very low levels of sex hormones (both estrogen and testosterone). - This would result in minimal muscle development and physical strength compared to typical XX females and individuals with mild PAIS. - They would likely have lower bone density and weaker physical endurance. - **Mild PAIS**: - Individuals with mild PAIS, due to their partial sensitivity to androgens, might have higher levels of testosterone than typical females. - This can lead to increased muscle mass, strength, and endurance compared to typical XX females. - Even with partial androgen insensitivity, the presence of higher testosterone levels can provide a significant advantage in sports requiring physical strength and endurance, such as boxing. 2. **Advantages and Disadvantages**: - **XY Gonadal Dysgenesis Without Hormone Replacement Therapy**: - Likely at a disadvantage in physical sports like boxing due to lack of muscle development, low bone density, and poor physical endurance. - May have difficulties competing effectively against typical XX females and individuals with mild PAIS. - **Mild PAIS**: - *Likely to have a physical advantage over typical XX females due to higher testosterone levels, resulting in increased muscle mass and strength*. - This advantage would be more pronounced if hormone levels are not regulated, as the natural higher testosterone levels can enhance physical performance significantly. ### Summary: - **Puberty**: Individuals with XY gonadal dysgenesis without hormone replacement therapy do not undergo puberty and lack secondary sexual characteristics. Mild PAIS individuals undergo partial masculinization due to higher testosterone levels. - **Sports Competition**: In boxing, individuals with XY gonadal dysgenesis without hormone replacement therapy are likely at a disadvantage due to low muscle mass and physical strength. In contrast, individuals with mild PAIS may have a significant physical advantage due to higher testosterone levels, enhancing muscle mass, strength, and endurance. This highlights the importance of hormonal regulation in ensuring fair competition in sports.
@@psier11 haha thank you, I appreciate the comment. I think like most of us, I was just very interested in this debate and I wanted to find out the facts for myself. And it definitely seems to me that the IOC decision is being driven based on ideology rather than facts
I dont appreciate his decriptions of "internal" as chromosomes and "external" as the appearance of the genitalia. She is chromosomally male and probably never knew until she was banned from the boxing league from the chromosome test. She did undergo male puberty with the gonades being internal. Her optic nerve, heart and lungs are larger and different. She is a biological male and once you understand hormone testing thru diagnostic procedures (thyroid issues, pcos, endometriosis, ect) you know the science is bunk and and can only be compared to your own test over a set period of time to say what is "normal". She has an unfair advantage. It doenst matter her feelings or intentions, she absolutely produces more testosterone. Even compared to a masculine female who is likely to have undiagnosed or disagnosed thyroid condition or pcos. She has different phenotypes as a result. Hows that for an "internal" description. I use the pronoun she out of respect because she has lived female her entire life and i have no problems where her being socially female. Let me put it this way, her opthmologist, cardiologist, neurologist, and endocrinologist all absolutely would want and need to know her chromosomes or she could be misdiagnosed or given inappropriate treatments as a result of not knowing. That says enough about the chromosomes.
But the thing is, this isn't a case of transgenderism. From everything I've read she was born with female reproductive organs but appears to suffer from DSD. This is rare but it does happen. It's unfortunate because in this day and age where transgender ideology is shoved down our throats 24/7 it make people jump to conclusions without all the facts. I feel like NBC didn't do a good job of explaining this either and then the internet jumped all over it.
Real question: isn’t muscle mass potential determined by hormonal balances? If yes, it stands to reason that an athlete who is moving closer to the male end of the genetic physiology (including the abnormalitiies you said) would develop far more muscle mass than a purely female athlete. That is if all other factors are equal, but let’s assume. In that context, isn’t it logical to put a developmental clause in these sports instead of a hormonal one? I mean it would be logical to say that if your hormones were, during development, closer to male, then you’re ineligible for combat sporting with women, to avoid accidents. I would appreciate a response, given your cool headed scientific approach.
" accidents" ????? ok then rules for boxing but not for running not for jumping not for swimming ....?? you are boxing, she is taller , stronger ... you lose NEXT !
It’s not complicated! The athletes have testes. They are biologically male. While these women have a DSD and are not transgender, the ioc has taken an ideological stance with the trans-rights movement and against the movement for a sex-based female category creating this confusion.
In Algeria, at birth , this person’s genitalia would have been ambiguous. Due to that they would have been classified as a female ( because that is probably the default). What should have been done was a chromosome test. So Imame is a XY but with some abnormalities. The XY makes the gender male. I can’t imagine though, how difficult life in Algeria would have been for Imane if he had been brought up as a male.
@@seaside9670Please do NOT make those kinds of assumptions when you don't even know how things are in Algeria. The female sec is NOT "the default option" for people with DSDs. That's an absolute lie and you should be ash@m£d of making false claims! In Algeria, if someone is born with ambiguous genitalia, they wouldn't be assigned any sec, and their parents would be advised to give them a unisex name. They would eventually be assigned a sec (male or female) after extensive medical tests, based on what disorder they have. The fact that Imane was assigned the female sec at birth, means that she was born with normal female genitalia. Stop making false claims about my country when you probably never even set foot here.
Because it’s a weak move. They know they don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell against the men so they choose to compete against the weaker sex which in most cases they will dominate over a biological woman
Good for you. Some people are acting like they know what they are talking about when their comments amount to nothing more than blatant ignorance--and hate. Thanks for your rational, calm, unbiased explanation.
I mean he lost before doesn’t mean he will be qualified now. The problem is we should set a standard whether we should allow XY chromosome person to participate female sports. Algerians, please be aware, if this guy could participate, other guys could participate as well and they could punch the shit out of your female athletes. It’s never about which country wins, it’s about sticking to integrity of the Olympics.
Is it just me or do you get the highest amount of trans/sex ambiguous athletes in the female divisions of combat sports? Just realised I’ve never seen anything about these types of athletes competing in gymnastics
Males and females do not do the same events in gymnastics. There are lots of videos out there of gymnasts trying out the events that the opposite sex performs and they can’t do it. The events they compete in are designed for a certain body type. So in gymnastics it would actually be a disadvantage to compete as the other gender.
That's a great point, and I'm glad you brought it up. If cisgender women generally have physical advantages over trans women, why are people blaming Imane Khelif? The answer lies in misconceptions, biases, and a lack of understanding about trans athletes and hormone therapy. Some people assume that: 1. _Trans women retain all their physical advantages_: This is not true. Hormone therapy significantly reduces muscle mass, bone density, and other physical attributes. 2. _Hormone therapy doesn't level the playing field_: While hormone therapy reduces physical advantages, some people believe it doesn't go far enough. 3. _Trans women have an unfair advantage_: This misconception stems from a lack of understanding about the physical changes that occur with hormone therapy. Imane Khelif is being blamed due to: 1. _Misinformation and misconceptions_: People are misinformed about trans athletes and hormone therapy. 2. _Fear of change and the unknown_: Some individuals are uncomfortable with the idea of trans athletes competing in their identified gender category. 3. _Unconscious bias and discrimination_: Unfortunately, some people harbor biases against trans individuals, leading to unfair criticism and blame. It's essential to educate ourselves and others about trans athletes, hormone therapy, and the complexities of gender identity in sports. By doing so, we can work towards a more inclusive and accepting environment for all athletes.
@@Federal-w1q She is blamed for competing against women after going through male puberty. This has nothing to do with Trans but with Inter. She looked like a girl when young and now looks like a guy. XX doesnt do that. But XY and a condition known as 5-alpha-reductase deficiency would do exactly that!
The olimpic comitee replied that as long as they are women in their passports, they're eligible to compete. It sounds absurd, so look for it if you dont believe me. They point is that certain individuals who have either big hormonal or genetic abnormalities, which may give them a competitive advantage, should not compete in a combat sport. Their opponents might be seriosly affected or even die in the ring.
Intersex is a newly made term. DSD describes maladaptive phenotypes that make it hard to discern sex, most of which result in the person being sterile. Intersex doesn't really exist in the sense that reproduction must occur with the female or male sexual organs that already are known to exist.
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It seems like all of this should have been sorted out prior to the Olympics.
It was. The issue is that politics has invaded the governing committees and so gender affirmation has become a priority over basic safety. This lady should live as she chooses BUT this is a combat sport and the female category exists SOLELY to protect participants from advantages that exist in male bodies thanks to dimorphism. The protected category should stay protected. Everyone is welcome to compete in the male category OR create a new a category.
It was. Until right wing nuts wanted to stir sh*t up.
It was. And this isn't even Khelif's first olympics and she's competed in other events since the incident at the world championships. A bunch of people just latched on to a lie that they could politicize and have now been amplified cuz of Elon on twitter.
@@jakestroll6518 Hold on a second- if this intersex (assuming she is actually intersex) boxer competes with male boxers, now SHE is in danger. Do you not care about her basic safety? Doesn't she deserve protection from dimorphism too?
They were too busy planning the opening ceremony
And the simple fact she is from Algeria that considers being transgender as illegal. There is no way Algeria would allow anyone to change from male to female let alone let them on the Olympic team.
True. Also why nobody is pointing that she lost many times and she's not that strong? If she had this unfair advantage of high testosterone, why she lost all the most important fights and she's not a champion?
If they're skilled, yes they will. No single government on earth will decline an opportunity to get $$$ even if it breaks every single law they have.
A transgender would be han*ged in Algeria before making it to the Olympics.
There is an actual American transgender Nikki Hiltz who is about to compete as a woman for the 1500 meter next week at the Olympics. Why I don’t see any post about that ,by anyone or any complaint???? But everyone and their mama is debating about Imane who is born a woman, like they have access to her medical files or have examined her. … Double standards when it comes to an Arab Muslim woman on the verge to win big . The white man who is actually pretending to be a female is sleeping with no stress while imane has to deal with all this backlash. Sick world .
@GoDxism it's a fact that LGBTV is punishable by death in Algeria, she would be han*ged before she makes it to the Olympics because it is a crime to be trans or g*y in Algeria.
When it comes to this gender stuff it seems people just lose their common sense, it’s ridiculous.
@@r.e2391 it's almost like, it's more complicated than just male/female. Like there are grey areas that people have socially imposed upon the sex's that deem them to be on one side of the binary or the other. So how do you classify people based on ambiguous sex organs/chromosomes/hormones and what constitutes separating them out from other genetic anomalies.
You’re right, it’s common sense that women shouldn’t be competing with men
@@truaquashe literally was born as a woman
@@Nebula644 women have XY chromosomes now? that’s strange.
@@truaqua she has XY, and was born with female genitals. Does having female genitals not constitute being a female anymore then?
Give that medal back to the lady 😮
Hearing you explain it like this.. makes me feel so bad for that woman. Must be humiliating to her😢
Specially when you think about where she was born and the culture she grew up with and all the adversity she surpassed.
Especially the guilt she must feel for her family being dragged into it and having to disclose her private birth documents. I feel for them all
@@bluester7177 Imagine before that she had to withstand poverty, misogyny and religious fanaticism in her theocratic home country which by the way outlaws transitioning but people are so ignorant and blinded by this almost exclusively western gender war to realize this common sense fact. This girl grew up with bigger and real issues than our first world gender crisis. She even used to sell bread as a child.
Really? In my opinion it should be humiliating for the guy who 'won', meaning beat a woman.
I would be so ashamed I would not show my face in public.
Correction...hearing this makes you feel bad for that "man" 😮
It’s advantageous to have strength, speed and reach in boxing. It should come as no surprise that people who express these traits flourish in the sport. I would imagine many female boxers have higher testosterone levels, longer arms, etc. than average.
weight classes still exist for a reason, no matter what
@@KillenEMsoftly Khelif competed in the appropriate weight-class.
Yeah elite fighters are literally the top 1% of genetics.
@@kidsafekhalief went through male puberty so weight class is irrelevant in this case.
Not as much as the XY male
The internet is allergic to nuance. Thank you for this explanation.
Still doesn't change the fact this lady shouldn't have been allowed to participate, so even though I know more about the situation my mind still hasn't changed at all
@@noxplay4906 there is no truth! Only what I choose to believe! Yeaaa!
@@knutthompson7879 martial arts is the wrong place for such nuances. if you are not 100% a woman, you have to start with the men. With anything else you risk women's health
@@knutthompson7879 It's not about the person but about the decisions of the IOC. It's about boxing. we're talking about completely different points of view.
It's about muscle mass, bone density, endurance, not about whether this person isn't the sweetest person on earth.
@@knutthompson7879 Being gay is not punished by death in Algeria where did you get that from????
A leaked French medical report from 2023 has confirmed that Algerian boxer Imane Khelif is male. The report, accessed by French journalist Djaffar Ait Aoudia, was drafted in June 2023 by experts at Paris' Kremlin-Bicêtre Hospital and Algiers' Mohamed Lamine Debaghine Hospital. The findings indicate that Khelif has 5-alpha reductase deficiency, a condition affecting sexual development found in biological males. According to the report, Khelif has no uterus and possesses internal testicles, with an MRI further identifying a "microp*nis." as reported by reduxx. It's not uncommon for family's with a child born with sexual organ problems to just decide to raise them like the gender they choose them to be.
Give us the source of the report. Reports can be fake. Just because you claim there is a report says something does not mean it has to be true.
@ If you look up Kremlin-Bicêtre Hospital Khelif and Algiers' Mohamed Lamine Debaghine hospital Khelif. There are some sections showing a snip of the medical document showing the disorder. Have to wait for more informant to be leaked to see more of the document if they show. If the documents can’t be fact checked then we can already just go by medical research logic like the known fact with a simple search that if an individual has xxy chromosomes they are a Man with a genetic defect. If you look up there name an xxy chromosome Google will say they are a women with xxy even though only men can have the xxy defect. No different then if you type in can men get pregnant on google they will say yes because there going off by identity instead of actual biology. But when you type in Klinefelter syndrome
Also called: XXY syndrome in Google they tell the truth
XXY syndrome
Overview
Symptoms
Treatments
Specialists
A genetic condition in which a male is born with an extra copy of the X chromosome
Klinefelter syndrome isn't inherited, but rather occurs only as a result of a random genetic error after conception.
Males born with Klinefelter syndrome may have low testosterone and reduced muscle mass, facial hair, and body hair. Most males with this condition produce little or no sperm.
That report was later proven to be fake. Nice try
Just because you think you're a woman doesn't mean it's true@@2000yurien
@@2000yurien search it, you know how to use Google don't you? Just because it goes against your worldviews doesn't mean it's not reality...
Finding this video on the internet is like spotting a unicorn. Finally someone with factual information delivered in a smart concise way. What a rarity in 2024.
ruclips.net/video/RtwvJbpL7hA/видео.html human development expert Dr Emma Hilton is another one to learn from.
Then read the comment section. No one listened.
@@sneakytacos773 The problem is that he just talks about intersexual possibilities in general and not about Khelif. Because in the case of her its clear now:
XY chromosome set and a condition known as 5-alpha-reductase deficiency. This means that due to the resulting underdeveloped external genitalia, Khelif was registered as female at birth. However, she has genetically determined testes that, while usually undescended, produce enough testosterone to trigger male puberty. This gives her the criticized significant competitive advantage…
@@doctorgadgetix4887do i know her ? Did u run some tests on her ? Did you See the testes ????
@@doctorgadgetix4887 you’re spreading misinformation. Nothing you posted is true.
Since there is no real obvious solution to this complex situation I suggest that as of now in boxing there should be 25 fighters in the ring at the same time. No matter if male, female or between. Last person standing wins.
I second this 🙋♂️ Royal Rumble style
Men and women aren't complex. You shouldn't be hitting a female if you have a penis. This needs to be explained to you??
Biological women will be knocked out
Battle Royale
@@tangente00 so a man would win then
1980 Olympic Russian female basketball team with 7ft 1in Uljana Semjonova had the same Controversy 🤔
Spanish runner María José Martínez Patiño also had the controversy in 1986!
Also Mexican boxer Alejandra "Tigre" Jimenez
@@2000Cowboys pretty sure they banned a couple African runners semi recently for having too much testosterone as well. It’s by no means a new thing but a certain group of idiots decided to wake up one morning and cry about this specific one based on nothing more than some Russian guys word.
Also Brittany Griner.
People out here thinking the Olympics are for average joes and average genes. We want to see ATHLETIC FREAKS OF NATURE >:)
WELL WELL WELL, look what we have here
Thanks for this video. Every conversation I've seen about this has been completely to one side or the other and seemingly driven by ideological points. It's great to have an actual breakdown of the biology without any sort of judgement, or assumptions as to knowing "the answer".
Christ almighty
Ok but in this guys case nobody is making assumptions. He clearly is XY chromosome and higher levels of testosterone that put him in great advantage. Who cares what his genitalia looks like.
He was previously disqualified from an international competition by the International Boxing Association due to the fact he is XY and higher levels of testosterone. But the IOC said as long as they have a passport that says they are female suffice and are eligible to compete. What kind of joke is this. The Olympics will loose all of their credibility.
Hope your daughters won’t have to fight against a guy. Spend all your money and time in preparing your daughter to get to international competitions and loose to these men. Then you might as well start doping females lets increase their testosterone levels.
There is only one side: reality
It is not ideological or political to say a person with XY chromosome and corresponding much higher testosterone is male. Nope. Nice try though. Just like it is not ideological or political to tell the truth. Geesh.
this is completely sided but dressed with biology. He doesn’t speak about the important things people that don’t fight don’t know, the difference between a male and a female is so big that is almost certain that the woman can end up with non reversible head trauma for life, just by knowing that, a person with common sense would never allow this to happen in a sports competition. we didn’t until woke politics appeared
Where's the updated video?
I'm surprised he hasn't deleted this 😂
Excellent explanation. More people in the mainstream should watch this video. I had no idea about these abnormalities prior.
Load of Bull S Hi T, If you are XY=man, XX=woman. If you have male hormones and physiology influencing your body, you shouldn't be punching girls in the face. Basic humanity.
"there are many psychological factors at play here!"
From the way he explains it I would say that having a Y chromosome would most probably lead to higher androgen levels, which in turn cause more male-like bone and muscle growth. This gives a huge advantage to the individual when competing in a physically demanding sport against individuals of XX chromosomes.
Testosterone
@@carolmayhardie biological women can use testosterone. Not the same effect
She lost 9 times to other women btw
@@nothajzl meaning?
Higher testosterone from having testes, such as in 5-ARD.
Its a shame that this situation has been handled with very little nuance and context by most people talking about it.
That’s because it’s simple if you’re biologically male you compete against other males if you’re female you compete against other females. There’s no nuance to it at all. If we go the nuance route then it’s not out of the realm of possibility some older person who’s trans age(yes that’s a thing look it up) could identify as a child and compete as a fully grown man in kids sports. Is that what you want? Sometimes deft discussion is needed and sometimes you draw a line and say nope not here not now.
@@mikhailboldt3417 she's a WOMAN , she's competing legally . She's famous since she was a child.
@@mikhailboldt3417 The MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL just said it wasnt simple and showed a detailed report backing that claim
Nuance is illogical in bigotry
For those saying oh no it’s not possible someone who’s older could identify as someone younger for the purpose of sport trust me it is. We’ve seen the boundaries of reason and logic and basic scientific understanding pushed so far when you give certain people an inch they take a light year so just wait it’ll happen.
Intersex and the history of Sports. Stories around Stella Walsh, Helen Stephens, María José Martínez-Patiño, Santhi Soundarajan. Shows history is soon forgotten in time.
It’s forgotten by one group
Doesn't mean we have to continue that. It's unfair and changes are needed.
@@Laura-lc2ioYou won't have a normal discussion with woke weirdos😂😂. XX chromosomes should compete in one sports category and XY in the other one. Intersex should be a extra category simple, as.
@@Slasher43 Unfortunately you're probably right. Whenever I hear "yes, there's male chromosome, but you HAVE TO be open minded..." I know that discussion is closed.
It should be pointed out that all of this is just a allegation by an unaccredited Russian boxing association. We don't know that any of these rumors are true, regarding intersex or XY chromosome. There has been no legitimate testing by an accredited entity.
Her birth certificate and passport say female,and those are the only facts recognized by the Olympics at this time.
Brian, I didn't know that there are abnormalities in stuff like this. Thank you for bringing it up.
This defensive narrative didn’t age so well. The dudes got XY pretending to be a women. Simple
Bro you really think a Muslim country (where being homosexual could get you jailed and gender transition surgery are illegal) would do this type of bullshit?
Exactly. Pure gaslighting und muddeling the waters. As if XY weren't a pretty reliant thing to determine "male" or "female". XY can only be considered female/woman if the Y is *completely* inactive. Those women don't have higher testosterone levels or that male build but rather have to deal with a lot of other health issues. Imane was born a boy with ambigous genitals. Since one doesn't box with ones micro-P..
I'm sooo over "this is so complicated" just to spare some dudes feelings who uses his male advantage in womens sports. And I don't care, why he feels or thinks he is a woman (DSD or trans) - if one is male he has no place in the womens category, even if idiots consider it to be "kind" or "inclusive".
@@tripleg724 XY dont lie. He is a man, and it`s official. Cope.
@@tripleg724 why r u supporting the physical abuse of women by men?
@@DR.DRE.123. she’s not a man dumbass. What the media is saying is pure bullshit. If the boxer was from the us or Canada they wouldn’t be complaining about it. Simple as that.
Get ready to make this video again today after Lin Yu-Ting fights lol.
As long as she is not a transgender then it is all fair and square.
Lin Yu won 5-0 by unanimous decision
These are biological men with DSD. They have XY chromosomes but underdeveloped male gentalia with internal testes. They will have gone through male puberty and be as strong as a man. And men have a 6 time punching force of that of a woman.
Its like the czech comedy of 1969
a man tells to a canari bird in cage "You are here the only normal person."
Praying for these individuals
In some cases, elevated male hormone levels are due to polycystic ovary syndrome or thyroid gland disorders rather than being genetic in origin.
Then they have an unfairadvantage overotherwomen.
@@treyhelms5282Phelps had an unfair genetic advantage over other swimmers but nobody is upset
@treyhelms5282 just shut up lol
@@borrow4654 Look up Khelif. According to International Boxing Association (IBA) president Umar Kremlev, DNA testing of Khelif and other athletes "proved they had XY chromosomes and were thus excluded from the sports events"
They failed the test not because of hormone levels. They failed because the DNA showed it was a man, XY chromosomes.
5:12 it's not the fault of the individual. It's the organization's fault.
Basically yes. But. She/he and the algerian Box org/home ioc knew about this years ago. Come on. This is not the 1800’s.😢😊
She knocked on the door and asked if she can box, the IBA tested her and said no, she knocked again and the IOC answered, checked her passport and let her in. There's a reason the IOC usually cedes to the sports governing body to make these decisions.
So what should the organization do? First of all, the olympic committee says the source for saying she's intersex is not credible. But let's say she is. What should the olympic committee do in these cases. If she has female sex characteristics but a XY chromosome, should she not be allowed to play in women's sports? Should she be required to play in men's sports? But she's clearly not a man (per our usual definitions) either, because she doesn't have male sex characteristics. So, should she not be allowed to play - at all? Like the doctor said, I don't think there are easy answers here.
@@GoSolar they have to draw a line somewhere and what you're passport says isn't robust enough, or at least the professional organisation that knows more about boxing than the IOC clearly does thinks so, much like a lot of other sports.
@@mw56101 I understand about needing to draw a line, but should a person with XY chromosome but female sex organs be required to be in the men's division if they want to compete? That seems at least as objectionable. Or should such a person simply not be allowed to compete at all?
Really appreciate the way Dr. Sutterer covered this topic. Lot of ppl reading stuff on Twitter and just assuming the Olympics allowed a man to beat up a woman. Lot of misinformation. Thanks, Doc, this is a touchy subject that you didn't have to cover but you did in order to get the information and science out to your audience
Yeah, it's sickening to me how they labeled her a man. A person born a woman and lived her entire life as a woman - to be then called a man for a disorder is utter disrespect. But it's definitely easier to spread this misinformation than to call her "woman with disorder" - "male beating up woman" is a better clickbait. And then these same people pretend like they have empathy for the competitors. Half the people even think she is a trans woman.
I think it's cognitive disonance - they refuse to accept that XY person can be a woman, because accepting that would ruin their simplistic beliefs. But even a single google search can show you that many XY women have given birth in the past. And also that XX men exist - yet they never address these things, but rather push their head into the sand to ignore it.
@@CryShana In boxing it matters not which gender you chose to live your life as, but the biological sex to which your body is more anchored, since male gives a material strength, size, and stamina advantage.
@@CryShana The Y chromosome gives her all the advantageous male traits one could have for sports. The brutal beating of the mexican boxer in Imane's first fight was a horrific scene. Never in the history of the olympics had a female boxer walked out of a fight with a disfigured face until a couple days ago. The fact that you all pretend not to see it is disingenuous and disgusting.
You know why TRT is illegal? Because testosterone levels are directly related to performance. The fact that this person may have been born with a female genitalia doesn't change the fact that she looks like a man, moves like a man and hits like a man.
@@CryShana The Y chromosome gives her all the advantageous male traits one could have for sports. The brutal beating of the mexican boxer in Imane's first fight was a horrific scene. Never in the history of the olympics had a female boxer walked out of a fight with a disfigured face until a couple days ago. The fact that you all pretend not to see it is disingenuous and disgusting.
You know why TRT is illegal? Because testosterone levels are directly related to performance. The fact that this person may have been born with a female genitalia doesn't change the fact that she looks like a man, moves like a man and hits like a man.
@CryShana Wrong , that's what happens with simple Google searches. The individuals documented has chromosomal mosaic of swyer syndrome and turner's syndrome..your assertion is misleading
Basically women’s sport , intentionally or unintentionally will suffer
It’s an open category now and forever because women will never be as fast or strong as men.
yes you are correct and its totally UNFAIR
Thanks women themselves
@@seaside9670 never will be, that’s right. Biological differences are a fact. Women in sports should not compete with men in sports. We are women who want to have the right to compete with women in the same weight division, drive, go to school, work , and just be treated as less than body parts. It was never a secret that hormones determine the difference in brute strength. That’s why in sports, men and women are separated. Even within males. 170 lbs males cannot compete with 250 lbs males. Yet they both still have an equal chance to vote, work out, go to school, and earn for the same job .
Damn, i didn't see y'all complain when this same boxer lost in the 2021 Olympics in Tokyo.. but now you have opinions?
In the 2020 Tokyo Olympics she lost 0-5 to the Irish boxer Kylie Harrington.
So she's not so tough, right?
She was 21 years old then. Look at her record since.
@@MsJustice4ever Okay but she lost.
@@melonsauce1474 just because she didn’t always win, it doesn’t mean it’s fair for her to compete against women, duh 🙄
@@MsJustice4ever How is it not fair if women have been proven to be capable of beating her?
Now she is a man in his prime.
I really would love to watch Khelif Vs Paul. That will put a sweet end to the controversy😂😂😂😂😂
At time = 4:45 he clearly states that this is not a black/white thing. But unfortunately, sports are divided into man/woman categories. Then, my conclusion is that we are lacking clear and fair rules for this categorisation. How much grey is allowed to remain in the white category, and not to move into the black category? Well, he also states he has no response to this: my understanding is that this is a typical problem of turning a continuous and analog situation into a discrete and digital grouping.
There will always be some unfair decision.
There are rules already in place, hence why they go through the tests that lead to this entire controversy in the first place.
When does the grouping happen? When do we test? Every single child athlete? The billions of them who could rise to be an Olympic athlete (bearing in mind, barring the elite are amateurs who are the best in their countries at a sport, with no reason to question their gender assignment let alone their testosterone levels
@@MrAndywearA cheek swab can provide XY results. Easy test.
Something I think he *doesn't* make clear enough is that not everyone with this type of condition *knows* that they have it. If you're born with a vagina, raised as a girl for your entire childhood, then later during puberty start developing traits that make you appear less feminine than other girls, you aren't going to suddenly go "Oh, I guess I'm not a woman, then."
Another very important thing to note is that someone with DSD may have higher testosterone than average for females, but still much *much* lower than average for males. So, even with elevated testosterone, their hormone levels can still be far closer to female levels, so if you have to categorize them one way or another, how does it make any sense to group them with men?
At the heart of this whole conflict is the fact that people on the political right insist there are only 2 boxes people can fit into, and people on the political left have been creating more boxes, but nature sees no boxes and has no need to abide by our "rules". That's proving awfully inconvenient, however, with the way we've decided to set up gender-based divisions in sports. We want competition to be as "fair" as possible, but fairness is subjective, so there's a whole lot of room for disagreement.
It's also vitally important to mention, however, that on the subject of Imane Khelif specifically, there is currently no actual proof of her having a condition like the ones described in this video, only hearsay, so anything related to her is pure speculation. To anyone reading, don't believe the things people are saying in internet comment sections, because they're all playing a stupid game of telephone.
Fascinating. Is there an explanation as to why this DSD has never been an issue prior to 2024? Were prior athletes never suspected due to the absence of popular discourse?
They were never allowed in female sports. It's only recently that the IOC has allowed it.
@@AmyZonkers Citation needed.
Stop talking nonsense @@AmyZonkers
The moral panic about trans people is a very recent phenomenon.
Conservative brain rot
He was born a XY. There needs to be some way to qualify male and female for sports etc. This has been the determining factor since the discovery. Even with errors there needs to be a clear cut way to determine sex. It is being made more complicated than it needs to be.
XY females exist just like XX males exist. As the creator of the video points out, sex determination is more complicated than which chromosomes are present. A lot depends on how the genes on the chromosome function. If the SRY gene is translocation to an X chromosome, that sperm will produce an XX/SRY+ male complete with testes and male puberty. Should this person be put on a female sports team?
There is such a thing called intersex much like a hermaphrodite these people are both male and female. My daughter has Tripple X syndrome. It's not always so cut and dry. Her very own mother has spoken out about this and people want to call her a liar.
It's not about who's fault, but the organization is allowed to deny those participation in order to keep the competition as fair as possible
Hey doctor, please could you explain the DSD 5-ARD? If this is the DSD that Khelif has, the IBA was absolutely corrected in banning Khelif on safety grounds alone, never mind eligibility grounds. Making out that this is a DSD of less consequence is just as much misinformation as saying Khelif is “trans”.
Agreed. Well said.
Has anyone seen Cris "Cyborg" the Brazilian MMA fighter. She has a daughter, she also easily has the strength of the average man, look her up. She isnt banned and is tested prior to MMA fights. Cyborg is way more muscular and stronger than this fighter in question.
Maybe we should ban basketball players that have a pituitary gland disease that made many of them tall?
It's the presence of testosterone whether it's natural or not its performance enhancing. And that is where the actual problem arises the Russians would inject their female boxers with testosterone and it gave them a competitive edge. Can I go step in the ring if I have the chance of getting beat up by a woman?
It's super common to have more masculine looking woman here, I know at least two, both have children, but also, XY women can also have children sometimes, so complicated.
Sorry but saying that Cris cyborg has the strength of AVERAGE man is ridiculous it's like saying that women's 100m record holder has the speed of average male. Have you SEEN an actually average man going up a flight of stairs?
@@KasumiRINA A 25 to 35 year old male has a lot of strength, I am over 55 and I doubt she can squat or bench as much as I can. Hands down she beats me in cardio. You are missing the point about the boxer being controversial because of her strength against the weaker opponent. That opponent had no musculature, it was ridiculous as soon as I saw the fight.
Thank you Dr Sutterer for taking the time offer this nice introduction into the nuance of male/female differentiation, it was very kind of you to do so.
The female boxing category could simply be limited to fully female, XX chromosomes, participants. A male category and maybe other different category can also be in place.
This would be fair, safe, and protective of female boxers.
Yes because this is such a widespread problem it really needs randos on youtube thinking they need to solve it.
She had xx chromosomes
@@faresalnemer18 Okay, right. ... "Had"?
@@garageshop6021has XX
The problem is that sex isnt so straight foward as XX and XY. you can have an XX phenotypic male. There are many ways this can happen, like translocation of the SRY gene, to an X chromosome, or to an autosome or a mutation in an X-linked or autosomal gene in the testis-determining pathway just to name two. You can also have an XY female with CAI gene. There is also not just XX and XY. What do you do with XXY, XXX, XYY? Did you know it's not that rare either? The prevalence is about the same as redheads.
According to InterACT, a major organization for intersex rights in the US, states that 1.7% of people have some variation of sexual development, 0.5% have atypical genitalia, and 0.05% have mixed/ambiguous genitalia. No, not one in a million but far from common.
1.7% is nearly 1 in 50! that is is relatively common compared to a rare genetic disorder.
@@dflfd
1.7% is 17 intersex people per 1000 athletes.
Enough to start their own category.
yeah I felt that too, some kind of bias in that speach. And I believe that your data could be inflated too.
either way whatever the Gender is when born falls either more toward the female side or the male side. Imane Khalif could be a hermaphrodite, who maybe has woman's genitalia but internally has a male reproduction.
If you look at he/she I see no breasts, the large jaw line is characteristic with male features, you can see a more manly body type, granted some woman can look masculine.
Imane Khalif was already rejected from a fight due to gender. So why on earth would the Olympics allow this ? of course they want to support there decision to not look like fools.
@@dflfd that is because intersex advocacy organizations include the widest number of conditions possible in their numbers, but researchers prefer to use much more limited definitions.
"Anne Fausto-Sterling and her book co-authors claim the prevalence of "nondimorphic sexual development" in humans might be as high as 1.7%.[8][9] However, a response published by Leonard Sax reports this figure includes conditions such as late onset congenital adrenal hyperplasia and Klinefelter syndrome, which most clinicians do not recognize as intersex; Sax states, "if the term intersex is to retain any meaning, the term should be restricted to those conditions in which chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in which the phenotype is not classifiable as either male or female", stating the prevalence of intersex is about 0.018% (one in 5,500 births), about 100 times less than Fausto-Sterling's estimate."
Why is nobody talking' about Nikki Hiltz,cause he/she is from the USA and imane khelife is from Algeria ?
Because she made an european girl cry. If the girl crying was from Africa as well, probably no one would care.
ppl just care more becouse its a contact sport
Good question 🤣🤣🤣
@@elilceo For obvious reasons
Victimización at its best@@jopayer
Really concise, well explained video about the issue. Thanks for breaking down a lot of the misconceptions and nuances and encouraging people to have an open mind about this
The doctors info does not apply in this situation. This Algerian boxer has an XY chromosome with corresponding much higher testosterone levels, meaning they are MALE. This doctor made a simple thing more complicated with is smooth talking. Geesh.
@@PracticalPerryQuackery.
@@PracticalPerry You obviously didn't watch the whole video
@@PracticalPerrywhat source do you have this from brother. I believe that that boxer is actually a male but I haven’t seen a for sure article saying SHE is a HE
@@PracticalPerryEven if she has XY cromossoms, some genes might not be active. Listen to the video again, it's there : I v
thank you, it helped me understand the situation better. truly, best wishes to you!
I agree with you that the way they were born is no fault of their own but, when you say you don't no how to classify them as male or female ... fair enough give them their own category ... just don't put them in with the females ... it's not fair to the females, and their are safety issue
Not to make light of this situation, but makes me think of that Saturday Night Live character "Pat", no one could tell if Pat was male or female.
That’s different… that was a skit! This is an insane reality!
Khelif definitely looks like a dude. I would never mistake him for a woman like Pat could have been. Wonder if he shaves or has had facial laser hair removal 🤔
LOL
LOL. Pat was a butch lesbian androgynous biological female for sure.
Real life it.
Would it be “having or not have a Y chromosome?” In that everyone has an X chromosome. 0:03
Maybe the second X in XX
@@panjak323 yeah thats super obvious, theyre being purposefully ignorant for the sake of sounding intelligent
Just for clarification. If testicles develop internally as opposed to externally, doesnt somehow make them ovaries. Nor does a penis become a vagina. These are just deformities from the norm. These cause it to become difficult to determine sex at a glance. These deformities dont somehow make "sex" a murky classification.
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exactly. Intersex is a very tricky term because it sounds like it implies an in between which is literally physically impossible. It is sexual development disorder, its not a grey sex area. Its murky at a glnace as kids, but its not an in between. Gamete determine sex, even with a micro penis or no penis, a male is a male.
And with XY the bones and muscles are stronger, Hämoglobin is higher, more Oxygen etc. For a woman an unfair fight.
@CoolB962your comment is so idiotic I can’t believe it
I've been watching your NBA content, but this got me to subscribe. Very impartial, thoughtful, and empathetic perspective. Thanks for explaining Brian.
New info is out, he's a male.
There is a correlation between the Y chromosome and strength. Maybe it would be easier to classify sports as XX and XY rather than male and female. If someone has a Y chromosome, then they have the capability for higher levels of strength, so they shouldn't compete against someone with XX chromosomes.
Some intersex people have XXY. Do the 2 X's outvote the 1 Y?
@@chunhayleetheir y chromosome present in 'xxy' condition does makes them stronger than an actual female 'xx'
@@zl6198trisomy of x chromosome with additional y chromosome is not possible
That's not how this works. If the gene on the Y chromosome doesn't work properly, it doesn't give the same advantages as a normal Y chromosome. It's a specific gene on the chromosome, not the Y chromosome itself that's responsible for the development of male anatomy.
@@annaa3772 the specific gene you're referring to is sry gene and it IS present in xxy people!! which causes them to have masculine development and give them unfair advantage against a female in sports
Will you be doing an update vid now that medical documents have been leaked confirming that he's male?
Not a chance. Every single fact is he has all male sexual organs and DNA. HE is 100% MALE !
Props to this explanation in educating all of us in a world where any small slip up in explaining people try to cancel you for saying “something wrong” Thanks for continuing to educate us with the medical science in the sports world.
This is a come back 3 months after my initial comment here.
Why didn’t you make yet a part 2 of this video knowing that he is a male? Its confirmed now but none of you apologise for missinformation you preach.
The way you made this video is an insult to your audience intelligence, don’t think that if you use “very complicated “ process people will be too lazy to read for themselves. The truth always come to surface eventually.
Waiting for you to apologise to the audience for your fake statements.
I did not have a Dr Sutterer discussion about "Go Nads" on my Bingo Card for today.
loool
You play bingo? Are you a very elderly person?
Go nads 😂
when did he stutter?
Nadine Dorries the ex UK politician is know as 'Nads' but the doc does not explain how she is relevant to this topic. we should be told.
There should be a separate level or classification for these individuals to compete against others in there category or with their physiology. Wouldn't that be more fair.
Keep in mind, there's be no legitimate test. All these claims are rumors that came from a graphic unaccredited Russian sports association, 3 days after she beat a Russian boxer. Right now the ONLY hard evidence is from her birth certificate and passport which identify her as female.
Shouldn’t that apply to males too those with superior genetics? Who wants to watch them play sports
western civilization became a mockery 😅
Here before this comment section becomes a mess.
Too late
@@guerrarsenali was gonna say exactly that, too late 😂 can you believe this Bozo, he should fight a heavyweight male and see how it feels to get his skinny ass pummeled
@@guerrarsenal comments that dont agree with me are the scariest thing I swear, just delete the whole comment section before I shiver and cry uncontrollably
@@Dathremar weird ass response lol
@@Dathremar are you okay?
People who have ambiguity in their physiology should have a different competitive event so they can also compete with similar individuals.... And people who identify as males or female should have their own respective competitions
How is having a vagina ambiguous?
Just sort people according to who has a y chromosome and who doesn’t. Literally everyone fits into exactly one of these two groups.
Thats doesn’t work no one would fund it, watch it, or even compete in it, same reason why the wnba loses money each year it’s only kept around because of the nba despite still being “popular”.
@@SCU3A_S7EVEintersex born with both genitalia watch the fucking video 💀
they are 1.7% intersex people in the world and the percent that are olympic qualifiers is even smaller. there have only been 18 olympians with the conditions and it’s not just a recent think because of “the woke mob”. khelif is playing with her biological sex and has been since she was a child, in a country where she would be arrested or killed if she was actually trans and people found out. doesn’t line up at all.
That's a great point doctor, before reacting immediately, it's best to do research
No, just separate men from women! It's easy.
@@mattdillon4398 yes its easy if biolagically we are born male or female, but if you listened to the video, there are sadly abnormalities with some humans that may have man physical appereance but organically their body is female. Or vice-versa
@@chrisk1180the athlete wasn’t a dude though. Watch the video
@@TRex-fu7bt hmm OK maybe you're right I should actually find out more what the situation was with this person
@@TRex-fu7bt he is like most of them just directly accuse lool he needs to watch vid then talk
Did the IBA specifically say that Imane Khelif had XY chromosomes ? As far as I know the offical statment of the IBA was that "she didn't pass the female gender test". IBA never revealed the kid of tests they performed while we know that not all organisations perform genetic tests to determen the competitors gender. Some organisations tests consist only on looking at the physical aparence of the boxers.
I remember hearing as many as 1% of people are born intersex - the “unclear” genitalia at birth you were discussing. In some cases, one of them functions and one does not or perhaps neither are fully functional, but that’s a large # of people and there isn’t enough discussion about it
Intersex people represent 1.7%, about as common as natural redheads. They're relatively common in our society and have been forced to hide it and conform to binary presentation one way or the other. We definitely don't talk about it enough, and society has made it completely unsafe to be open about it. It's heartbreaking that we are at this point.
It is less than that. And, the Algerian male athlete is not intersex.
@@PracticalPerry If she's not intersex, why does she have a female passport and why is she in the female boxing category? No one said she was born male and had a sex change, nor that she is fully male. Doesn't that only leave some kind of intersex condition?
There isn't enough discussion about it, and when there is people still have a tendency to want to declare for someone else whether they are male or female, they still tend to have problems with the grey areas. It's easy to see why, but it's very unfair on intersex/dsd individuals.
@@JM-The_Curious No. Passport and female category does not prove anything. After doing more research, I see conflicting reports and I don't trust the media. I don't know what to believe.
Regardless of abnormalities of genes and/or hormones, if the testosterone level and physiognomy is biological male, then they need to
be excluded from female sports participation. My opinion is based on thirty years as a practicing female physician, not on emotion. While it is “no fault” of the said boxer, it is incumbent to consider the risks of death and/or grave injury such people could cause by their participation.
Death because russian organization lied about her?
a human being with XY chromosomes, pen*s and testicl*s, no uterus, shouldn't be allowed to compete in women's sport. Just create a new category, but don't call it women's sport. Let's stick to reality and give us some basic shared rules, please
Muscle and bone density is different by a tenfold that itself is enough
100% agree. Dr. Woke here giving this man every excuse he could find to beat up women. Its disturbing.
@@slappytitz story has it she is a cis woman so as a Republican I must stand the facts on this one.
The fact that you think everyones bone density is the same is crazy
@@slappytitzhe’s not woke. Hes educated. Ffs. You people invalidate ANYONE who doesn’t agree with you. Awful human beings.
@@slappytitzAh, a specialized doctor, providing scientific explanation, must be woke!
If you clicked on this video expecting him to call Imane a man you were definitely wrong, babes. And even so, trans people are backed up by science.
Wonder when will we learn not to "believe everything on the internet" without solid proof...
I keep hearing the good doctor reiterate how this is all "through no fault of her own". FAULT is not in question here. This is a matter of an individual who, "through no fault of her own", has an unfair physiological advantage over her peers because of abnormal development. The gross misconduct is not in the athlete, but rather within the committees that deemed her as a fair contender within the parameters that all the other athletes within her specific category are measured.
EXACTLY !!! especially when this advantage I.e extra testosterone makes her naturally stronger than her opponents
what ever the solution could be, its not "only the entry in your passport counts"
welcome to the stupidity of the leftists in society
Your opening statement, "If you think the difference between male and female and the subsequent gender identity is as simple as having or not having an X chromesome..." is a flawed statement.
All humans have an X chromosome. Normal females have XX and normal males have an XY. So having a Y chromosome will render you as a male, even if you have XXY (Klinefelter's), you would be considered male, although, you may have feminine features. 🤷♂️
I'm sure there will be these comments will be civil with plenty of critical thinking
Hahaha the sarcasm
It’s not as if this is a complicated issue or a particularly nuanced one. Men shouldn’t compete in women’s sports. That’s all the critical thought needed on this issue
Common sense rules usually, W o k e politics lack there.
The comments are definitely going to be critical, just not in a good way.
Why? So far one woman quit to preserve her physical health, there will be more. I have 4
daughters, a wife I adore, 2 sisters and an elderly mother. Imagine if it was one of them? Civilized is long gone, time to fight for women’s rights not to get beaten up in public and sicko given a medal..
Well put. Thanks for explaining this. I initially thought it was terrible they allowed her to fight but it does sound like it could be a lot more complex than it first appears. I do feel sorry for her getting all the backlash
No it's not complex. Its really simple, they should have not let that woman beating scumbag in the ring. Shame on you and the doctor for defending this
not complex….but i see he fooled u
@@edh2880Did you even watch the video? You don't know how biological sex works if you say it's "not complex".
You ever been to boxing? Got into a single sparring? Then you will know why they separated men and women there and why testosterone is banned substance. This woman grew up with abnormal level of testosterone for decades. Growing muscle and bone density like a man. And you still think this should be right? Why did we separate men/women in sports to begin with? So that women who have disadvantages of not growing up with testosterone can compete each other. It is not matter of 'do you have pee pee or not?'
If someone has a y chromosome, they aren't female. Period. (Which, incidentally, is something they have never had this athlete has never had a menstrual period, as that is not physically possible for people with a y chromosome.) The Algerian boxer is a male born with an extra x chromosome. They are male with a chromosomal abnormality. Definitely not female😂
But saying "errors" and "abnormalities" means errors and abnormalities within a binary, not a "third sex" or a "spectrum."
You guys want to hear my theory of how this is being "taken care of". She had the past issues/allegations, boxing world was like "well shit, what do we do with this situation..." guy in the dark corner says "put her in the Olympics, have the other fighter quit and say she's never been hit that hard before on international tv." Problem solved.
The only thing I can think of is why this hasn’t come up until now.
Because nobody cared about women’s sports for the first 10,000 years of the human race
it has been around for decades. At least since the controversies surrounding the GDR athletes in the 1980s. The difference in public awareness is probably because now Elon Musk is trying to exploit it for financial/political reasons.
Actually has been out since FOR EVER ,just ppl doesn't bother looking
Because no one cared. Now, republicans have spent 3 years pushing trans hate propaganda and implanting it into everyone’s minds. It’s very simple and easy to see.
Simply because algeria is supporting Palestine
Please dont muddle the argument. The conversation is not about whether Khelif is male or female. It is about fairness and safety. Obviously she possesses physical anomalies. The XY genotype confers physical advantages and people with that should not be competing against xx chromosomes athletes. The feelings and issues that Khelif (who has xy chromosomes) and similarly afflicted people have, while unfortunate, has no place this debate. The issue is fairness and safety in women's sports.
Reading people ignorantly proclaiming how simple the right answer is in the comments is simultaneously both funny and disheartening 🤦♂️ He didn’t take a side so people couldn’t be mad at that, so instead they decide to be mad at the suggestion that the situation has nuance 🤷♂️
There should be a special track instead of putting him directly on the women's track.
Thank you because I needed this from a medical professional...not all these political web doctors lol
He is literally a web doctor who is ideologically driven clearly. Firstly he asks to think about it from the Algerian persons point of view but completely fails to look at it from their female opponents point of view getting punched in the head by someone with male biology.
Secondly we have known hermaphrodites for a long time now. They are not transgender and lumping them in together is intellectually dishonest. hermaphrodites are born with a mixture of genitalia, transgendered have the biology of one sex but have the psychological opinion they are the other.
Lastly if you have male biology, you should not be competing against females especially in chat sports because it is not safe. End of.
Their brains are blowing up right now 🤯😂😂😂
There's medical professionals chemically castrating children, they're political web doctors too. Because they're breaking their hippocratic oath
@@BTCBlizzy What brains?
You need to hear a medical doctor talk to have an opinion on a man beating the sht out of a woman in an international sports competition?
Well done. Good, sober, and human explanation of a complex situation.
Excuse me… complex? Whats so hard to comprehend about a man beating up a woman 😂
no. he should have just said this is biologically and scientifically ridiculous that this MAN was allowed to box.
I understand your point of view doc. I understand some people can't be put into a clearcut bucket of male or female and I truly indorse Imane Khelif's right to take part in the sport. But you also mentioned that having a Y chromosome gives clear advantage in terms of increased testosterone levels and masculine features. So, its equally unfair for Angela Carini (a woman with XX chromosomes) to fight Imane Khelif (XY chromosome). It would be fair for both biological beings to compete with opponents who have the same sex chromosomes as them. That's my opinion...
It also gives disadvantages, and 1 in 10 of every XX women also have high testosterone, because they have PCOS, and it isn't always a good thing, basically you have hair you don't want and gain weight easily, also, diabetes.
Yes, it is fair since she has LOST to 9 women before this. So clearly, she doesn't have this huge advantage. She won against a another woman who didn't know how to fight properly (as she didn't protect her face, it wasn't a good punch towards her), she was bad and she lost. Just as Imane was bad before lost to 9 other women.
So true🎉🎉🎉
@@bluester7177 Is it true in Imane’s case though ? Doesn’t Imane clearly look more Masculine and strong ? Clearly overshadowing the opponent. Just use your eyes. Don’t you feel it’s unfair ?
Where did you get Imane's chromosomes? Kremlev obviously lied.
You can't say what this athlete's exact situation is without more testing/exams BUT the likelihood of the athlete having male characteristics just based on the chromosome, hormones, and phenotype is very very high. This means an unfair advantage in a sport that divides male from female. This athlete is probably ineligible to compete with females.
How is she ineligible when she's already lost against nine other women? 😂😂
I agree
no ur just a little man so this woman looks like a man to you ❤ hope this helps
We should just ban taller and bigger men right? Since most men wouldn't be able to compete.
Contests like this are not for everyone, freaks of nature commonly come out on top. You cannot bar freaks of nature, they are who we want to see, not average joes.
But the thing is, this isn't a case of transgenderism. She was born with female reproductive organs. This is rare but it does happen. It's unfortunate because in this day and age where transgender ideology is shoved down our throats 24/7 it make people jump to conclusions without all the facts. I feel like NBC didn't do a good job of explaining this either and then the internet jumped all over it.
You said this so thoughtfully and intelligently. Thank you for providing some more understanding to a very complicated and sensitive issue
It is disputed whether Khelif has XY chromosomes. You should be upfront about that when you mention the allegation at the start of the video. Also, the fact the IBA and Kremlev, who are making that accusation, are being discredited.
They are still IBA. What makes Khelif a woman? Seriously? Why should I believe his passport, and not IBA's test? Why at all would IBA go after him and Lin? A special grudge?
This did not resolve the issue. Listening to this it definitely sounds like this person should be classified as not female as far as competing in sport is concerned. Common sense.
That's literally not what he said we should do. All he said is that you can't take chromosomes as a quick and dirty rule to categorize people with Disorders of Sexual Development.
@@dandiaz19934 what he says does not settle the matter. He's basically saying the Y chromosome did not result in fully formed male genitals. But still a Y chromosome and expressing itself enough for everyone to see in the male physique. You can't just accept his opinion based on him being a doctor. Doctors are the ones who also believe you can be born in the wrong body necessatitatiing mutilation surgery to 'change sex'. You cannot just accept what a doctor says unfortunately. That's where we are.
But the thing is, this isn't a case of transgenderism. She was born with female reproductive organs. This is rare but it does happen. It's unfortunate because in this day and age where transgender ideology is shoved down our throats 24/7 it make people jump to conclusions without all the facts. I feel like NBC didn't do a good job of explaining this either and then the internet jumped all over it.
Hes obviously not 100% female lol
Um I thought she was a 'woman hemmie'. Someone who has both parts but ability to get pregnant and give birth. (I've seen a documentary about a woman like this, she looks like a man, has some male parts but got pregnant and gave birth). But Iman doesn't have any female parts, just abnormal male ones. So he's male. Doctor assigned Iman female did not see the parts (ts were on the inside).
This has been going on for as long as I have known myself to have comprehension. Soviets and Germans used to love using this loophole to dominate back in the 70's to 90's before other camp's caught on, once those appeals started rolling in they shut that sh!t down.
No. There was no loophole. Nor was it "closed". If it were, she wouldn't have been allowed to compete, nor Olympics players over the past 50 years
@@xx133 it was reported numerous time's, Caster Semenya was banned and stripped due to it. Just like this current athlete is banned by boxing but not by the Olympics committee hence why they're able to compete with a spiked testosterone level.
There is a HUGE difference between somebody drugged and juiced with testosterone, and somebody born like that.
The East Germans were so pumped full of steroids in that era it didn’t matter what loopholes there was.
This is not a loophole. It's just a complex biological topic that many people haven't yet agreed on a good testing method on or criteria to maximize fairness while not exluding too many people.
In this case, IBA used the oversimplified definition that female is someone with XX chromosomes. The problem with this definition is that such a female can take testosterone before puberty to develop male physical characteristics and then stop - she would then revert to her old hormonal profile with low testosterone but keep certain male characteristics like wider ribgcage, bigger bones, etc. You can see this doesn't really make much sense in terms of fairness.
We should realisticially be looking at physical characteristics and hormones. I don't have a solution for this, maybe something similar to weight classes could be made.
The Olympics disregarded IBA's oversimplifeid criteria because it excluded too many born-women from competing even if they had zero advantages (not all XY women have advantages).
Who else waiting for part 2 after his real gender reveal?
Stfu ignorant idiot, you obviously didn't understand this video.
R u this butthurt from that trash italian fighter
This aged horribly. They've tested this guy 3 more times and he's failed to be considered a woman. You can do all the mental gymnastics you want.
Proof?.
@@xabibiticade8336 why r u supporting the physical abuse of women by men?
@@DR.DRE.123. why r u lying? Let's be true here you people are racist agents all races black people Asian people and also Arabs
Y'll crying because a blonde white lady lost a fight against a non blonde white lady? You're so racist.
I’d like to see some case studies. Thanks, Doc. You repeat the info a few times and
and manage to keep it all muddy. -Also, I could really use some graphics right now.
Well, after 10 minutes of viewing, I learned absolutely nothing about this particular situation. But thanks for the refresher course in genetics.
I thought the same thing. in the end, if there is an advantage then its not fair and should not be allowed.
I get it doc i get it, but shouldn’t these “competitive advantages be checked before qualifying?” I mean Competition has to be fair. As stated by you these hybrid athletes are not 1 in a million case. Hence, they should check each athlete for this issue and should not allow them to compete, rather there should be a separated devision for them. Paralympics is there, why there couldn’t be a separate category for hybrids as well. M not against them. Im just against mismatching. An advantage is an advantage whether it is testosterone or XY chromosomes or higher level of any enzyme salt. We ban doping in marathons by not letting players wear a certain shoe that will make them faster. So why this leverage for biology? This is not a trance issue but an olympics issue. This is also a doping a biological doping advantage.
Competition is inherently unfair. This is the equivalent of saying we should regulate height in basketball because it gives you an insane advantage. You cannot make sports fair as long as someone has an advantage it will be unfair.
@@catinacafe7105 it is, but that doesn’t mean one should allow such atrocities. By this logic all men should compete in woman sports. And women will perish as a sportswomen. Even Serena Williams said it in one of her interviews that even though im no 1 in womens Wimbledon, to an average ranking man, i could not return his serve.
The thing is, there's wasn't a way to know until modern more accessible genetic examinations could detect the issue. And then with that new visibility, more research had to be done on the DSD cases, and it uncovered stuff we didn't really know about before.
Most of these women never find out. As far as we all knew, they were born female and lived as women. It's not a group known to be trans-masc either. Or even drawn to sports more than average. Unless you do a very specific gene test, no one would know.
Its just a Y chromosome that failed to raise 'boy' signal, so the body defaults to being female. Then the body processes hormones just like a female too. For XX females, it is much harder to grow muscle due to how hormones are processed, even when adding testosterone manually. These X(y) females deal with the same problems.
There hasn't been any competitive difference found so far.
I'm a fencer, not professional. I advise you to check the age of winners of gold medal. Hint : fencing taught to me that division between male and female is essentially cultural. In others sports it can play a role... And sports are culturally built. Biology is complex, society is complex, neat little boxes belongs to wishful thinking... Not reality
He is a bloke and Ur talking nonsense
That's all very interesting, but all that matters in athletic competition is if XY chromosomes gives someone a physical advantage that nobody XX could have. It's about fairness. Gender designations and genitals are irrelevant.
Not faulting anyone's birth. It is simple though. There are external genital variations, but XY = male, with the exception of DSD variation XY complete gonadal dysgenesis (Swyer syndrome). It should painfully obvious (pun intended for the women who have to fight them) that the 2 boxers Khelif and Yu Ting clearly have mild PAIS and not Swyer syndrome.
Someone with Sawyer syndrome would be visibly frail as they would not even be able to go through puberty without hormone replacement therapy, let alone be competing as an Olympic athlete!
And the excuse about Algeria not accepting intersex means Imane = woman makes no sense. It only makes the advantage Imane would have had even larger as growing up, they would have never received hormonal treatment, hence their testosterone levels would have been completely unmitigated and would have developed (as we have seen) completely as a male except without the external genitals (assuming).
### Sports Performance, Specifically Boxing:
1. **Physical and Hormonal Considerations**:
- **XY Gonadal Dysgenesis Without Hormone Replacement Therapy**:
- Without hormone replacement therapy, individuals with XY gonadal dysgenesis will have very low levels of sex hormones (both estrogen and testosterone).
- This would result in minimal muscle development and physical strength compared to typical XX females and individuals with mild PAIS.
- They would likely have lower bone density and weaker physical endurance.
- **Mild PAIS**:
- Individuals with mild PAIS, due to their partial sensitivity to androgens, might have higher levels of testosterone than typical females.
- This can lead to increased muscle mass, strength, and endurance compared to typical XX females.
- Even with partial androgen insensitivity, the presence of higher testosterone levels can provide a significant advantage in sports requiring physical strength and endurance, such as boxing.
2. **Advantages and Disadvantages**:
- **XY Gonadal Dysgenesis Without Hormone Replacement Therapy**:
- Likely at a disadvantage in physical sports like boxing due to lack of muscle development, low bone density, and poor physical endurance.
- May have difficulties competing effectively against typical XX females and individuals with mild PAIS.
- **Mild PAIS**:
- *Likely to have a physical advantage over typical XX females due to higher testosterone levels, resulting in increased muscle mass and strength*.
- This advantage would be more pronounced if hormone levels are not regulated, as the natural higher testosterone levels can enhance physical performance significantly.
### Summary:
- **Puberty**: Individuals with XY gonadal dysgenesis without hormone replacement therapy do not undergo puberty and lack secondary sexual characteristics. Mild PAIS individuals undergo partial masculinization due to higher testosterone levels.
- **Sports Competition**: In boxing, individuals with XY gonadal dysgenesis without hormone replacement therapy are likely at a disadvantage due to low muscle mass and physical strength. In contrast, individuals with mild PAIS may have a significant physical advantage due to higher testosterone levels, enhancing muscle mass, strength, and endurance. This highlights the importance of hormonal regulation in ensuring fair competition in sports.
Perhaps it is better that you, and not Brandina, makes the video
@@psier11 haha thank you, I appreciate the comment. I think like most of us, I was just very interested in this debate and I wanted to find out the facts for myself. And it definitely seems to me that the IOC decision is being driven based on ideology rather than facts
I dont appreciate his decriptions of "internal" as chromosomes and "external" as the appearance of the genitalia. She is chromosomally male and probably never knew until she was banned from the boxing league from the chromosome test. She did undergo male puberty with the gonades being internal. Her optic nerve, heart and lungs are larger and different. She is a biological male and once you understand hormone testing thru diagnostic procedures (thyroid issues, pcos, endometriosis, ect) you know the science is bunk and and can only be compared to your own test over a set period of time to say what is "normal". She has an unfair advantage. It doenst matter her feelings or intentions, she absolutely produces more testosterone. Even compared to a masculine female who is likely to have undiagnosed or disagnosed thyroid condition or pcos. She has different phenotypes as a result. Hows that for an "internal" description.
I use the pronoun she out of respect because she has lived female her entire life and i have no problems where her being socially female. Let me put it this way, her opthmologist, cardiologist, neurologist, and endocrinologist all absolutely would want and need to know her chromosomes or she could be misdiagnosed or given inappropriate treatments as a result of not knowing. That says enough about the chromosomes.
But the thing is, this isn't a case of transgenderism. From everything I've read she was born with female reproductive organs but appears to suffer from DSD. This is rare but it does happen. It's unfortunate because in this day and age where transgender ideology is shoved down our throats 24/7 it make people jump to conclusions without all the facts. I feel like NBC didn't do a good job of explaining this either and then the internet jumped all over it.
Real question: isn’t muscle mass potential determined by hormonal balances? If yes, it stands to reason that an athlete who is moving closer to the male end of the genetic physiology (including the abnormalitiies you said) would develop far more muscle mass than a purely female athlete. That is if all other factors are equal, but let’s assume.
In that context, isn’t it logical to put a developmental clause in these sports instead of a hormonal one?
I mean it would be logical to say that if your hormones were, during development, closer to male, then you’re ineligible for combat sporting with women, to avoid accidents.
I would appreciate a response, given your cool headed scientific approach.
Who tf would fund this for childrens sports
" accidents" ????? ok then rules for boxing but not for running not for jumping not for swimming ....??
you are boxing, she is taller , stronger ... you lose
NEXT !
why some men are small others tall others fragiles or weak
a small weak man is a female ???
Sports is all about using your physical advantage to win
@@judagentelini1719 I would agree if there were no different categories in combat sports.
It’s not complicated! The athletes have testes. They are biologically male. While these women have a DSD and are not transgender, the ioc has taken an ideological stance with the trans-rights movement and against the movement for a sex-based female category creating this confusion.
i am from algeria thank you for these informations i all ready was confused
In Algeria, at birth , this person’s genitalia would have been ambiguous. Due to that they would have been classified as a female ( because that is probably the default). What should have been done was a chromosome test. So Imame is a XY but with some abnormalities. The XY makes the gender male. I can’t imagine though, how difficult life in Algeria would have been for Imane if he had been brought up as a male.
@@seaside9670Please do NOT make those kinds of assumptions when you don't even know how things are in Algeria. The female sec is NOT "the default option" for people with DSDs. That's an absolute lie and you should be ash@m£d of making false claims!
In Algeria, if someone is born with ambiguous genitalia, they wouldn't be assigned any sec, and their parents would be advised to give them a unisex name. They would eventually be assigned a sec (male or female) after extensive medical tests, based on what disorder they have. The fact that Imane was assigned the female sec at birth, means that she was born with normal female genitalia. Stop making false claims about my country when you probably never even set foot here.
Based on what he said they could be male or female, why do they always go for the female sport?
Because it’s a weak move. They know they don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell against the men so they choose to compete against the weaker sex which in most cases they will dominate over a biological woman
I think RUclips doesn't wanna let people see the actual fight... I can't find it anywhere
Maybe because no one posted it…???
They hiding it for sure. You can find everything else.
No its being copyright struck to hell even just clips
you can watch all the bouts on peacock olympics boxing section
@@Gpeagasus246 It's been posted and removed from X etc etc
Good for you. Some people are acting like they know what they are talking about when their comments amount to nothing more than blatant ignorance--and hate. Thanks for your rational, calm, unbiased explanation.
I mean he lost before doesn’t mean he will be qualified now. The problem is we should set a standard whether we should allow XY chromosome person to participate female sports. Algerians, please be aware, if this guy could participate, other guys could participate as well and they could punch the shit out of your female athletes. It’s never about which country wins, it’s about sticking to integrity of the Olympics.
Yes, it is hatred of women. Seething blatant hatred and denigration of women.
Is it just me or do you get the highest amount of trans/sex ambiguous athletes in the female divisions of combat sports? Just realised I’ve never seen anything about these types of athletes competing in gymnastics
Great point.
Males and females do not do the same events in gymnastics. There are lots of videos out there of gymnasts trying out the events that the opposite sex performs and they can’t do it. The events they compete in are designed for a certain body type. So in gymnastics it would actually be a disadvantage to compete as the other gender.
The most prominent one was in track and field!
That's a great point, and I'm glad you brought it up. If cisgender women generally have physical advantages over trans women, why are people blaming Imane Khelif?
The answer lies in misconceptions, biases, and a lack of understanding about trans athletes and hormone therapy. Some people assume that:
1. _Trans women retain all their physical advantages_: This is not true. Hormone therapy significantly reduces muscle mass, bone density, and other physical attributes.
2. _Hormone therapy doesn't level the playing field_: While hormone therapy reduces physical advantages, some people believe it doesn't go far enough.
3. _Trans women have an unfair advantage_: This misconception stems from a lack of understanding about the physical changes that occur with hormone therapy.
Imane Khelif is being blamed due to:
1. _Misinformation and misconceptions_: People are misinformed about trans athletes and hormone therapy.
2. _Fear of change and the unknown_: Some individuals are uncomfortable with the idea of trans athletes competing in their identified gender category.
3. _Unconscious bias and discrimination_: Unfortunately, some people harbor biases against trans individuals, leading to unfair criticism and blame.
It's essential to educate ourselves and others about trans athletes, hormone therapy, and the complexities of gender identity in sports. By doing so, we can work towards a more inclusive and accepting environment for all athletes.
@@Federal-w1q She is blamed for competing against women after going through male puberty. This has nothing to do with Trans but with Inter.
She looked like a girl when young and now looks like a guy. XX doesnt do that. But XY and a condition known as 5-alpha-reductase deficiency would do exactly that!
She is not even trans bro.
The olimpic comitee replied that as long as they are women in their passports, they're eligible to compete. It sounds absurd, so look for it if you dont believe me. They point is that certain individuals who have either big hormonal or genetic abnormalities, which may give them a competitive advantage, should not compete in a combat sport. Their opponents might be seriosly affected or even die in the ring.
When she lost, no one rised this issue
Not true, lol.
Thanks for the objective, scientific, yet easily understandable discussion. Love the channel.
"there are many psychological factors at play here!"
Doc, are DSD individuals the same/similar as intersex individuals?
Same thing, DSD is just the medical term while intersex is a social term that some in the DSD community prefer to use.
@@lukechitwood1247 dsd replaced intersex. Intersex was deemed harmful.
Intersex is a newly made term. DSD describes maladaptive phenotypes that make it hard to discern sex, most of which result in the person being sterile. Intersex doesn't really exist in the sense that reproduction must occur with the female or male sexual organs that already are known to exist.
@@Caspaah151 Was deemed harmful? What do you mean?
DSD and Intersex are terms for birth abnormalities. The issue is transitioners that co-opted these terms.