BoJack's Most HATED Episode: CHICKENS
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BoJack Horseman is unique for a lot of reasons, but highest among them is the fact that the show so adeptly balances between relatable and profound existential stories, and some of the wackiest hijinx you can possibly imagine. Somehow the show manages to feel deeply realistic, while also acknowledging that it exists in a world filled with animal people. It’s nearly a contradiction. There is ONE wackier episode, however, that I see get more hate than any others, and THAT episode is Chickens. Season 2 episode 5’s Todd focused misadventure that does its damndest to explain how eating animals works in a world where animals are people. But WHY is Chickens so hated? Is it specifically the subject matter? Did the humor just miss the mark? Is it the wrong kind of deep for its audience? I have a lot of thoughts! Let’s talk Chickens!
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Honestly loving how many people are SHOCKED that this episode is disliked. It's really the only episode I ever see singled out with "I hate that one" or "It's probably my least favorite"- but I'm glad to know so many love it!
You’re videos make my day thank you for doing what you do 😊
True it's mid in an ocean of peak, but it's hardly *bad*, I had no idea people hated it.
yeah i kind of loved it!
I never hated it, i simply forgot about it as soon as i watched it xDD
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No one mentions the fact that the cow waitress serves Pc milk from her teet and has a running gag that she judges anyone ordering a steak. Like it’s canon and shows up more than once
Lmao didn't notice that
*teat
@@anothercreator7433 **taat
Lol, now I have to rewatch it 😆
I think this episode is trying to softly address this but without said waitress.
Not gonna lie, the revelation that cannibalism is canon makes the show unbelievably macabre...and then it's never mentioned again.
We do see a couple eating a pig's head, and a pig sitting by them looking incredibly disturbed,l.
Don't ask questions, just keep eating!
I think it's brilliant, but I don't think cannibalism is the point. If they were eating fully realized chicken people, that would be one thing. I think the point is that we already eat animals that are dumber than us. So the show asks, what if your friend and your food were the same species, but your food was still dumb and your friend was as intelligent as you, would you still be ok eating the dumb one?
I think that was a choice in hindsight.
It actually makes sense, tho, since the setting is in Hollywoo. Idk if it's a dark humor site or not (I hope it is, but I fail to see the humor) but there's allegedly a Cannibal Club restaurant in LA that serves "young, healthy meat" (their words) in their lasagna. Their staff page talks about one staff member with the "difficult task of procuring our meat"
Yeah, it's really not funny. It's sick and disturbing. And after everything with Armie Hammer, it's really not hard to believe that Cannibal Club website might be fr fr. Some people with too much money get into some really whack and sick things. Even just their humor can be depraved. Have you ever watched the Bob Saget roast? Wtf were those "jokes"?
Ok but as someone in their 20s diane saying that being in your 20s is just wacky misadventures kinda helps. Cause I have no idea what I’m doing so this helped
LITERALLY
I can't upvote this enough
I was thinking the same thing lol
In my 30s and it's still a series of wacky misadventures
Sameeee. Especially having gone through a stroke at 21
I told my bf that the reason everyone is so depressed in bojack horsemen is because there's no pets to cheer them up
I hadn’t even thought about that and it’s so sad now that I have to think about it.
@@d.phantomfan1216 im sorry?
@@killerbeanmachinei think they mean like this never occurred to them but it makes sense
@@peggleblastlover oh I thought I like ruined the show for them lol
@@killerbeanmachine no it’s not your fault. I just mean it never occurred to me until you pointed it out. It’s cool.
is it bad that i never thought of this as a "deal with the animals as food vs people" episode but a "todd shenanigans that ended up being the main plot" kind of episode
it's both!
The funny thing is that I did, I distinctly remember googling how it worked, but despite that this episode is still weird and gross.
@Johnny2Cellos just came here to ask you are you doing Futurama new sessions 12 how u did last year
Yeah I would worry you never connect with the suffering your food experiences.
Yeah I never really had any feelings about the "cannibalism" because I'm always secretly sorry when I have to buy meat
This? Oh, this... is.... my wife! {Bock-caw} Becca! Becca Chavez! {Book-Book} yep, she loves her books. Big reader, kind of a nerd. (Oh, well if you are such a nerd, who is your favorite Baroque Composer?) ..... {Bock} (Bach?? Not Vivaldi??? You're Insane! She's a Charmer!)
This moment in the show lives rent free in my head forever.
same!!
This show would not be the same without Todd
Book Beck??
@@Delcat42 Fine. You also book Beck.
@@BwooHuraca BIC!!!
I never hated this episode, and I never even had an idea it was hated that much. I just saw it as the Bojack Horseman crew answering about the elephant in the room. That is, about the existence of a meat industry in a world with all the animals being people.
I don’t hate it either
Yeah, if I had to pick one episode of Bojack that's the worst it would probably be the first episode. I wonder how many people stopped watching because they thought it would just be another mediocre adult comedy? Same deal with Prickley Muffin in season 1.
Same here. It had some great laughs and it felt way too wacky to be preachy. Also I like how Bojack told the director lady that he knew bad mothers and she wasn't a bad mother.
@@tortoiseoflegends4466I Watch things out of order, just because lol but if I had watched BoJack Horse man in order I would have probably not watched it all
@tortoiseoflegends4466 I'm so glad I kept watching. I just finished binged watching it during Christmas break. It wasn't until episode 3 that I actually enjoyed it.
I think Beastars have the best depiction of meat consumption in a world where animals are intelligent beings:
1. Carnivores have a higher desire to eat meat than herbivores
2. Meat are sold in black markets
3. Most meat are harvested from deceased animals obtained from hospitals and morgues
4. There's underlying racism issues between carnivores and herbivores
5. Animal-based products like milk and unfertilized eggs are freely produced and sold with no moral issues
6. Sea creatures are more nonchalant about death and view being eaten by ppl they trust as respecting the dead
7. Bugs and mollusks are not sentient and are harvested as sources of protein
Could you explain number 6 a little more? I understand the others but not that one :)
@jessadelix7415 Due to different cultures, sea creatures just have a carefree view of life.
Like even if a family member gets eaten by a shark or something, they'd just shrug and go "Oh well, that's life."
Tho if they have to die, sea creatures prefer to at least be eaten by someone they trust as a form of closure/respect. Kind of like how some human cannibal tribes would eat dead loved ones as a sign of respect and be "close" to them
@Redflier3 if I was in some sort of horrifying cosmic game show where it was GUARANTEED I would be eaten as my transition into the death process... yeah, I'd rather it be someone I know, trust, or love well enough to know they're not enjoying my suffering. And maybe they deserve to benefit from all these years of healthy living, it's probably not bad meat. I would hate and curse whatever showrunners existed that they couldn't let my character get cooked getting too close to a thermal vent or unmarked smoker, but it makes a certain kind of sense.
If I was a sea creature and had to worry even less about prionic diseases or issues that could come from the consumption? I can see it a buuuunch easier. Still glad I'm not an octopus or stone fish yet though.
@@Redflier3kinda reminds me of martians from a stranger in a strange land.
The school needs better basic safety stuff though. Not the dramatic plots but the small mouse girls almost being stepped on by bumbling larger students lol.
Very creative show with the accommodations for the animal people that work well though! Like how giraffes can have a milkshake 😂
I love that they a) explained where meat comes from in this universe b) just leaned into how absolutely horrifying the whole concept is.
Right? I thought it was really interesting. Most stories with anthropomorphic animals either ignore it or say that have some there’s another food source. Or it’s a Goofy and Pluto type thing
Like reality.
To me I love this episode because it forces people to contend with the fact that just like how the difference between the "friend chicken" and "food chicken" is arbitrary, so too is how we as a society divide animals into "friend animaIs" and "food animaIs".
People will act like eating a cat or pup is the same as first degreehomicide, but then go to the grocery store and buy lamb chops.
The discomfort felt by the subject matter of this episode exists because we see ourselves in the chicken for days and farmer chicken people.
yep. cognitive dissonance rules our brains.
I think this is the best comment I've read on this video. Kinda nails it
this!
We made cats and dogs to be our friends. We have been partners as a species for thousands of years. No one ever tried to be friends with pigs until recently, we are not friends, we just took the animals we hunted and put them in a pen.
@@kathrineici9811 We've domesticated goats, cows, pigs, chickens, donkeys, horses, mostly for the sake of easy access to food and labor. People are selective with what should or shouldn't be food based on how friendly they are towards certain animals. I don't have room to judge people for eating dogs/cats, especially in impoverished areas, just because I'm from a land of plenty where beef is so readily available to me. It's all edible, we just make justifications to not have to think about it very often.
I always thought the realest and most uncomfortable moment in the show was when Mr. Peanutbutter is explaining to Diane what "all bark and no bite" means by translating it into human terms: "All talk and no shooting you with an assualt rifle"
that's one of the jokes from this show that i remember constantly and lose my shit over
This line lives rent free in my head, and is the only thing I feel compelled to say in place of "all bark, no bite."
@@thirdpedalnirvana "is that what you think we do?"
"Am I wrong?"
X)
I feel like the funniest part is they never make a light of this again
dang . you re right
People hated this episode?
That's what I was gonna saay
@@Froggiethatguy yh i know i thought the episode was ok not my favorite one but i still enjoyed it
Honestly it's not even what it implies for the worldbuilding I just hate the "character(s) grow attached to an animal and have to save said animal from being slaughtered" episodes
I actually liked. Not my favorite, but it was solid.
@@mythcat1273 I thought it was a fun deconstruction of that story line and a commentary on animal rights using the show's premise of "animals are people".
One other reason why I think that this episodes uncomfortable topic feels more uncomfortable than drug abuse, sexual abuse, depression, suicide, death in general etc is because most people don't contribute to those. Whereas with the meat industry, most people DO contribute directly to the meat industry, making them so much more defensive about it than the other episodes
idk, there's a lot of people with depression, and suicidal ideation, and people who smoke weed, etc etc. that seems like an over generalization. especially when youre also discounting all vegetarians who dont eat meat at least, even if they contribute to the dairy industry
I'm pretty sure people contribute to sex abuse, i.e. Bojack
I think they’re trying to say that most people don’t feel like they’re being guilted in other episodes because they haven’t done morally bad things related to those topics - having depressing or experiencing suicidal ideation isn’t a bad thing you DO, it’s something you experience. It’s not a crime and you haven’t done something wrong. But with this episode, people feel like they themselves are being told they are bad people so they get defensive. I don’t think the other commenter meant that people don’t relate to the other episodes, but that this one is unique in that it’s about a bad thing that most of the audience actively participates in every day.
But this episode doesn't guilt you about anything. Like at all. It even implies at the end that everything the characters did was pointless because they made a neglible, one time difference compared to the full scale of harm done. This episode wasn't trying to say that much honestly, it was moreso silly Todd shenanigans than having a higher message.
Unless you're vegan. Then you love this episode.
I feel like something else uncomfortable about this premise is there are other meat animals in this world that are clearly more sapient than the chickens: The cow waitress, the geese, the fish people, and the deer. BoJack himself could even appear on a plate.
the whole point is that the chickens are just as sapient as everyone else (until the hormones), the fully “normal people” animals that farm them are literally also chickens. The horrific implication is that these food chickens are exactly the same as the farmer chickens, except they’ve been hormonally stunted, implying that any Meat Cow animal people and Meat Pig animal people and all food made from meat are also just normal Animal People stunted by hormones so everyone else feels okay eating them.
@@hambone.fakenamington After spending the series with BoJack, it's creepy to think of a version of him with deliberately stunted growth destined for the meat counter.
@@punkysnarks 2:08 i agree with you that is a disturbing mental image but i also am getting the impression you missed a bit of the plot of what happens in the episode. they aren’t stunted growth wise, if you watch the video, you see that the Meat Chickens are the same physically as People Animals, the hormones stunt them mentally. As that is, like, the premise of the episode. “Becca” looks normal enough, but she can only make chicken sounds because she’s mentally stunted through hormonal intervention. That is the only thing making them meat, and the only thing differentiating them from People Animals.
Like. that’s the whole joke. the whole plot of the episode and why it’s disturbing. they make them stupid so people can eat giant buckets of giant chicken wings.
Yea that's kinda the point. The chickens in this universe are equally intelligent as the other animals. It's just that they're pumped with hormones.
It's even Canon that the same happens to cows. Remember when the waitress is serving a steak to someone and gets annoyed at them? That confirms that cows are also eaten in this show.
Now I'm curious if human cannibalism is okay too in Bojack world. Since a lot of animals are being used as food despite having the same intelligence, does that mean there's a farm of humans who are stunted and harvested for food just like everyone else?
„now we know the chicken crossed the road… but the real question is: why?“
gotta love officer meow meow fuzzyface😂
Considering that not a single character in the world changes from eating meat to not eating meat as a result of the events of the episode, I don't think the point was to try to convince anyone that eating meat is intrinsically wrong. I think the point was more to take aim at the way modern food production works, were companies who sell you food try as hard as possible to keep you from thinking about how the food got to your plate.
Or maybe it’s just to show that people are hypocrites. The creator of bojack horseman is vegan
Hell if you look closely at the final scene, those burritos even have meat in them. Love when this show does subtle touches like that
Whether intentional or not I think it also speaks to a bias in western countries that eating animals like dogs or cats is immoral when there’s actually no legit reason to say one is more edible than the other despite “intelligence” and what if we viewed “people like us” in this way.
"The characters in the show didnt learn anything so I don't have to" type logic
@yjohnson3678 I think it's more about that cats and dogs serve us in other ways. What is the point in eating them if they save you from intruders or rats? I think people eat other animals, because they don't have another function to us. ( I am clinical I know.) I guess it's just contradicting to say eating any animal is moral or more moral than other. Religion does that, but the foundation is more logical than anything else. Eating certain species, that are not as close to you genetically (as Muslims do) may save you from few desieses.
Looking back, this episode does a really good job setting up how taking care of Ruthie, and then the daycare, gives Todd's life purpose and makes sense for him as a character
2 thoughts about animals being people in this world:
1.) I always kind of wanted to see a biologists take on a world where every animal species evolved sapience.
2.) I always felt like the show really dropped the ball by not having it mentioned in passing a couple of times that people in this world eat human meat.
That would be so funny
The chickens are just humans in disguise
I mean in one scene where bj is in the hospital there’s some sort of leech/parasite sucking the shoulder of a human
I’m not a biologist, I’m just a furry, but I do have a take on the first thing. My idea has always been that the humanoid animals split off into a sperate but adjacent species, similar to a human’s split from the apes they’re related to. This means that the humanoid animals are the people, and there’s still wild versions of these animals that are eaten and kept as pets
@@limediamond4595 u can’t be admitting ur a furry
I really like the part about animals being categorized as friends or food since I'm a bunny owner in a country where rabbits are so frequently eaten that you can find their meat in any supermarket. I got a lot of backlash from it, from people constantly joking about wanting to eat my baby (wich stops being funny when you heard it hundreds of time) to straight up not understanding how I could want food as a pet instead of a "real pet". I also got called a hypocrite for refusing to eat rabbits even tho I eat other animals but hey, I don't want to get reminded of what my baby tastes like! But yeah, here bunnies are treated like lesser animals and I hear things like "why do you care so much about it? It's just a rabbit" tho they will never ask the same thing for a cat or a dog
What country?👀
@@DecemberDaydreams France!
My friend used to joke about eating my rabbit, and he went entirely too far when he made the same joke right after she passed away 😭
@@anothercreator7433 Did u tear him a new one cuz WTF
@@anothercreator7433that’s actually disgusting I’m so sorry 😭
I would have never questioned the fact that people eat animals despite animals being people if they didn't bring it up, and then it's never mentioned again. Wild.
The worst (best?) part of that episode is the chicken farmer's wife being horrified the entire time and then begging them to take her with them... and then they don't.
Her face is uncomfortable in the Gentle Farms advertisement, too. You can see that she's scared of her line of work :(
I'm surprised we never saw a group of Polar Bears having a nice human dinner in the show, just to get a little extra discomfort in there.
You know, it's been a while since I've watched the series, that could have happened as a background joke somewhere, but I figured we'd all remember that if it did.
Well.. There are no longer any animals that naturally eats humans.. The only cases are either accidents, desperation or humans just getting in the way.. If there's anything, there should be an underground criminal empire of human blood trade, run by mosquitos and ticks..
Guess they didn’t book beck…
This has one of my favorite small Bojack lines "Why do they put the skip ad button so late? I can't skip now I'm invested!"
I wish in the last episode we saw Becca at Princess Carolyn’s wedding, and she’d be a reformed member of society. Like she’d be wearing glasses and have a PHD in biology. That would be amazing.
I love this idea!
Well, she was at the reception. 🍗
That would imply that all the animals that are bred for meat are capable of being just as sentient and intelligent as the talking characters.
Which would make the whole show a lot darker and more disturbing
@@cookiestrong8757 Very Bojack
@@cookiestrong8757very human and real world tough. Millions of people are mistreated or oppressed or disenfranchised even if we know that logically they are just as good if not better as many of the more respected, better paid, better protected people
People today still push the whole “it’s okay for them to die in a war, all of those people are evil/violent/dumb due to their blood/culture” you know how much easier we could sell every day modern people into slavery if the slaves were medically dumbed down and we where told their thoughts and feelings are not as real as our own? We basically use gender, race, caste, nationality and other traits as a “this person is born inferior, they should do this job and be treated worse”. And on top of that we even blame it on them as a moral failure or as “it’s just the way the world is”.
When I see the part with the Gentle Farms commercial, I love how the rooster guys wife isn't trying to hide the fact that she's actually terrified, I mean her face says it all in fact I even remember the part of this episode where the roosters wife begged Todd and Diane to take her with them because for that hen that farm and that family was a prison.
Not only that. It also would've been even more demented if it was revealed that the rooster had sex with those food bred hens before he slaughtered them.
Very Borrasca-esque take on this episode lol.
Omg my brain went to Borrasca too lol.
@@erirausa7841At least they bothered to post a comment of that nature. l don't see you posting comments like that, So what's your excuse?
I do have to wonder where the eggs come from. Are these chickens bred and their babies are used or do they come from other chickens?
I actually really loved the episode particularly because it highlights how humans in a culture categorize animals in "friend vs food animal". We, as a culture, dont find fascination in the intelligence of the animals we abuse on a large scale, because it would make us feel bad about abusing them. Its not very well known that pigs are as smart as 3 year old humans, that cows have great emotional intelligence and even "school-like" systems within a herd or that chickens have friends and family and can recognise themselves in a mirror. All of these things feats would be considered amazing within dogs or cats, but we still regularly deem farmed animals as stupid - going as far as some people calling them "non sapient meat sacks".
I also think that if our culture wants to maintain dogs and cats as friends we don’t want to feel bad for providing them sustenance.
THIS episode is hated?? I love this episode!
Same
right?
I like it too 😊
People hate thinking about the morality of their actions although I'm not even sure that's what this episode was really about
This isn't a Todd episode, or a Diane episode, really. It's a Meow Meow Fuzzyface episode. He may be a loose cannon, but he gets results!
Is he really a loose cannon though? To me, he seems more like a reckless renegade.
@@chickencurry420 Put on a pot of coffee! We're gonna get to the bottom of this.
Why was he wearing sunglasses at night?
To me, an interesting theme of the episode and one that I've noticed is a small theme in Bojack in general is passive acceptance in society.
A lot of societies will just passively accept a lot of social norms or actions in life and will not stop to question these things until someone else brings it up. This is especially highlighted in the Chicken for Days and Gentle Farms commercials. While they have different ways of going about it, the intent behind their commercials is clear: Just keep doing what you're doing regardless of what affect your actions might have.
And I think the reason a lot of people passively accept things like the meat industry is because they think they can't do anything and that it's gonna happen anyway. And that can have damaging affects on others.
This is another point the show slightly brought up. Bojack says this about everyone's reaction to Sarah Lynn's death at the funeral: "Everyone said, 'Well, this was bound to happen.' But it wasn't bound to happen." Eveyone just accepted Sarah Lynn's death as an inevitable event. But it didn't have to be if someone stepped in or the people around her stopped enabling/abusing her. But no one wanted to step in in the way Sarah Lynn needed, and they avoided responsibility by just passively accepting her death and claiming it was inevitable no matter what.
And is that really something anyone wants to hear? No, I don't think it is.
Honestly what I didn't like was just the ending, I sometimes feel like the show makes the point many times that activism efforts are worthless because they come from individuals, when it's suppose that we have to work together in order to make that happen instead of giving up, it has happened before I think, in general Diane gets that treatment in most part of the show making her sound crazy for caring for things that are important. And seeing as a win when she decides to not care
I'm surprised people hated this episode! It's actually a solitary episode that I showed a friend because we talked about how very few worlds with anthropomorphized animal characters deal with the "meat" issue, like the only other piece of media I can think of off the top of my head is Beastars! It's an interesting thought and I was happy to see it explored in Bojack, even if it was really dark conceptually
that's probably why i liked this episode so much. it didn't feel preachy or "for the shock factor". it's a natural consequence of this world. IT'S GOOD WORLD BUILDING!!! It's interesting, clever, dark, witty, hilarious, it's just damn good writing.
Comment i agree with the most ! Like the message of it in my mind was kinda vauge and coukd have been applied to so many human things what i enjoyed was how indepth it portrays how meat works in this world through the lense of our characters expostion is fun and funny just a great ep
I LOVED that episode. It's SO funny.
"In the end, I think we really changed something ... meanwhile +1 billion dead chicken" is my favorite joke in the entire series.
It's HAUNTING.
No one joke has had such a profound impact in my life and how I approach politics and activism.
I really like the point you made about what people have decided is acceptable to eat, i was watching a small youtuber the other day say that he thinks that aby culture that eats dog is "less evolved" which is so small minded in so many ways. I have a dog I love to death but completely understand it
@@RamblinRichard I have cats and dogs. I've been asked if I would eat cat or dog as some kind of gotcha. I always respond "if I'm in an area or culture where that's common, yeah of course I'd try." I just wouldn't trust anyone random to know how to prepare it properly in the states, but I am curious.
Tbh I never once thought about the vegan/vegitarian message because I was distracted by the southernism of the situation and made it feel more like slavery allegory with a Beastar/Zootopia twist.
Is raising animals to be eaten not a form of slavery?
@@treysonmcgrady4750 i think it would be, no?
@@treysonmcgrady4750 They're not people, so no?
"Don't ask questions just keep... watching!" I personally love this episode.
thank you for still talking about this show. even though it ended a few years ago i still think about it most days and it has changed my outlook on life. the way you explain things has opened up topics and deeper aspects i hadn't seen myself which makes it all the more meaningful.
Tbh when most shows featuring talking animals barely get into the worldbuilding implications, or just don't even acknowledge that the characters are animals at all (looking at you Regular Show), I found it extremely refreshing to see it so plainly addressed in BoJack. Sure, it's deeply grim and uncomfortable, but to me that always just felt par for the course for this show. It didn't feel out of place at all. And it really gets the wheels turning in your head, like what else about this world is deeply wrong due to the lack of theriomorphic animals? It makes you ask questions, and try to answer them for yourself, which I like, and feels in the spirit of the show. It reminds me of Beastars, which focused even more on disassembling the "talking animal people world" genre. Zootopia's attempt to me always felt a little too shallow and toothless, that's not to say I needed a Disney movie to be as gruesome as BoJack or Beastars but it just felt way too... safe. And easy. And didn't have much else to say beyond "Racism is bad. So uh. Don't do racism."
So anyways all that is to say I loved Chickens, it was the perfect amount of worldbuilding to inject into an otherwise character-centric show. I understand maybe people are put off by how different it is from the usual formula but I consider it almost a necessary episode to the fabric of the show.
I wish we had more Todd and Diane! Their dynamic is hilarious and it’s a really sweet brother, sister relationship!😊
Aaaah here it is! Also just wanted to mention Butterscotch "Those fish really hate being canned" later on in the show 💀
Bojack Horseman might be the only tv show that i watched that has no bad episodes, seriously I can't tell a single episode that i hate or dislike and I'm surprised that people dislike this episode, i love how goofy it is!
I'm mostly on your side, but what do you think about the first few episodes? In my opinion, they don't really live up to what the show ends up becoming and kind of serve as classic wacky animated sitcomy episodes and not incredibly high quality ones.
@@maxsims1520 I get what you're saying but to me I still find them really funny, like I started watching Bojack because of some clips of the first episode, so I was already sold by the beginning and when the show started getting deeper I was locked in lol
@@maxsims1520 The first few episodes are not _bad_, they are _fine_.
I think the only episode I don't like is the extended trip sequences from the penultimate episode of s1 go on too long and bore me. Entire rest of the show is solid gold.
I would have never guessed that this was one of the lowest ranking episodes of the show for so many people, since I've always loved it personally.
Out of curiosity, I went ahead and checked the episode rankings on IMDB and Chickens is ranked #65 out of the total 77 episodes in the show. That's 14th least best according to that specific website anyway.
If you're curious, the episodes that are ranked lower than Chickens on IMDB are:
66, One Trick Pony
67, Bojack Hates The Troops
68, Commence Fracking
69, Higher Love
70, See Mr Peanutbutter Run
71, Zoës and Zeldas
72, Bojack Kills
73, The Judge
74, Live Fast Diane Nguyen
75, Prickly Muffin
76, Bojack Horseman: The Bojack Horseman Story, Chapter One
77, Bojack Horseman Christmas Special: Sabrina's Special Wish
Again, this is just from the averages on IMDB, but it surprised me to see Chickens and a few of these other episodes in the bottom 20 for the series.
EDIT: It is also worth noting that every single one of these episodes is sitting above a 7/10 with the lowest ranked episode averaging at 7.1/10. So it's not like any of these episodes are particularly HATED on that platform
OMG "Bojack Hates the Troops" is an iconic, hilarious episode... I feel like people who aren't fans are going there to rate it badly because they're pro army ahahaha
Forreal!!! One of my absolute faves since the beginning! @@saranohmusic57
I’d argue that Prickly Muffin is the worst. I don’t really get the hate for this one
Ditto. Its a detriment to the show that Prickly Muffin happens so early on in it. It makes the show seem dumber and raunchier than it really is.
oof yeah
can someone remind me what prickly muffin was abt
@@Zitronen_ It's when Sarah Lynn crashes at Bojack's after getting dumped by Andrew Garfield. Ends with her saying she would surround herself with sycophants and enablers until she dies tragically young.
If I am remembering correctly.
Prickly Muffin is my least favorite episode of the show. I recently rewatched the show and I forgot how bad it was. This episode is fine
When I was 20 I loved the ending of this episode talking about how your 20s are a bunch of random things. It's not romanticising your 20s, but just saying it's a time to experiment
I have a love hate relationship with this episode because I quote “No, Becca. You don’t need to book back” a lot and I just make myself laugh, yet I let out a sigh when this episode comes next whenever I rewatch
How can people hate an episode where Cedric Yardborough says "Not Vivaldi?"
Just something to add, even chickens eat chickens, chickens are omnivores and show canibalistic tendencies, they are not hunters but if a chicken dies in a henhouse is very likely that the other chickens will eat the body, and not out of necessity. Some people think that this tendencies only happen in industrial farms but truth be told, it happens everywhere, the difference is that while a chicken would only prey on a dead chicken in a comfortable environment, a chikcen would actually kill another for food in a stressful environment.
Besides that, as a fun fact, cows sometimes eat snakes.
Just something to add, humans perform genocide on each other.
With how the cow waitress reacts to someone ordering a steak, would that mean there are other 'food animals' like the chickens out there?
I understand why it’s not everyone’s favorite but I love it. One of my favorites of the goofy bojack episodes.
I didn’t know this episode was hated I actually really liked it :(
I like that it addresses what other stories with talking animals usually brush off: the predator and prey relations. They show prey animals and predator animals being friends and we the audience end up wondering how that could happen. Not all these animals can be herbivores and they can't choose that or it would starve them slowly. Obligate carnivores in your cast of animals require meat. Meat cloning could be a game changer. Grow the tissues they need to keep the carnivores healthy and they don't need to make more Beccas.
But there is another arbitrary line: Foe. (I wanted to keep alliteration). What animals are okay to kill because they are pests or are seen as enemies. In the BoJack universe this would be racist, but in Our World it's an arbitrary line as much as Friend and Food. In fairness, they can be dangerous to people or mess with our food storage and homes. But the fact that people can consider them friends or too weird to eat proves there is an arbitrary line.
- Mice and Rats are common example. So many of us hate them or are scared of them but some people keep them as pets.
- There was a time that it was open season for wolves and sharks and it threw off the balance of nature as consequence. Now, we have conservation efforts for them.
- Spiders and snakes are here too. They keep the balance of nature, can be dangerous depending on species, have a lot of people that hate them but have people that keep them as pets and love them.
- And there are some people that see monkeys as pests and hate them; but the rest of us see them cute and funny and don't want to see them killed like rats.
Be in any south or south east nation and when you're exposed to monkies litterally stealing your produce and scaring away civilians in populated areas with risks of disease, you will understand why they are pests
Honestly I'm incredibly surprised that the most hated episode isn't the episode with Dianes cousins, Bojacks shittiness had already been established didn't need an entire episode of just that and backstory thats better being just implied.
I think another reason people are uncomfortable with this episode is because with how animals are also people it can feel like the chickens decided to be food are mentally ill and aren't seen as useful to society as anything other than food. Which could also be a metaphor but maybe I am looking too deeply into it
Yeah I think that was an interesting point. How does sentience imply edibility in our culture- there are people in comas that are less sentient than the animals we eat, how do we feel about that, etc.
@@sarajanewebster5321 They clearly aren't claiming that we should eat people. The point I was making is how the animals we don't typically eat are the ones that provide us with a valuable service while the ones we do eat don't do that. Dogs provide us with protection, cats take care of rodents, horses provide us with transportation. Chickens don't provide a valuable service so we eat them
@@ScintillatingSusiechickens lay eggs. sheep provide wool. cows make milk. it's more about the "friend" aspect that makes people want to eat an animal or not. I don't think most people have cats or dogs for protection or against rodents,but for comfort and companionship
@@milkyuuuu Cats and dogs also are, or at least were, primarily carnivores and carnivores historically have tended to be leaner, tougher, and in general less tasty than herbivores.
this episode is my favorite. probably because my boyfriend finally started to watch bojack with me and we started to get inside jokes with each other about it. one of them is he asks me a series of questions and i answer them like becca. so i love my boyfriend and we love this episode
This episode is actually one of my favorites because its so goofy. Everyone talks about the dramatic, depressing bits to the show so much I think we forget its still a comedy
I feel like this would have been better if it was just a throwaway gag. Like chicken farmers (who are chicken people) look at their flocks and go “You think it’s kinda fucked up that these animals kinda look like us?”
“I try not to think about it.”
This guy seems to put content out of Bojack Horseman like ... forever. I love every bit of it.
I loved this episode. For a season you wonder how they're going to address the animals eating each other thing, and I assumed they never would. Then they do it so nonchalantly with a very F-ed up but funny explanation
Its one of my favorite episodes. For me its about how we decide to protect and love some animals over other animals we chose to eat based on how smart they are or how are they breed. And not only the fact that we see some species as superior than others, more eatable or lovable, but even animals of the same species like chickens, rabbits, or many others that have drastically different fates depending on the context they were born. They make if look like the creepy nonsence it really is.
Man that episode was long ago, never paid attention because i was distracted on the fact that meat is still a food and usually harvested from anthropomorphic people. and the checken farm is run by the chicken
one thing that makes me sad is the fact the rooster's wife is similar to the logo. Shes(wife) is constantly worried and anxious. It shows that if she wasn't friend she would've been killed and devoured as food, Similar to horses, rabbit, etc.
I had no idea the creator was vegan! This episode is one of my favorites, and was one of the many reasons I ended up going vegan.
I used to get super uncomfortable and upset at this episode because it showcased my hypocrisy in consuming animal products. I'm glad I decided to go vegan ❤ the guilt is gone
In response to the ‘some animals are food and some animals are pets’ part- I do agree it’s silly but kinda from the other perspective; all animals are potentially edible, we’ve just raised some of them to taste better and produce more meat, and others for intelligence and companionship. I’ve eaten horse and I’ve also ridden horses for years and formed strong emotional bonds with them. I own a pet rabbit but also it doesn’t bother me that other rabbits are raised for meat. I do want more ethical production of meat for sure, but I don’t think it’s wrong to eat meat in the first place, or that there’s specific kinds of animals that are more or less ethically wrong simply based on species
Finding out chickens is a hated episode is like when I found out people didn't like Dianne, I thought we all liked both of these things!!
Diane is a good character because she feels real. Good character doesnt necessarily mean likeable. To me she is flip floppy, preachy and hypocritical. I dislike her. Still, good character and makes sense in the story.
@@SimonMester Exactly. I'm a lot like Diane, so I can say that she is a well written and realistic character, but that's also often what makes her hard for me to like since I often don't like myself. It can be interesting and useful to see her insecurities and flaws portrayed in the show (especially the episode "Good Damage", that one hits like a truck for me), but that doesn't make it fun.
Chickens is one of my favorite episodes I'll never understand the hate. The jokes of asking questions that can be answered with a chicken sound (Becca, Bach, Bic, etc.) Kills me every time. And I'm sorry but I could never hate a piece of media with Ron Funches.
Every adult-ish show with anthropomorphic animals has a Disturbing chicken episode
Just had this pop up in my recommended, huge bojack fan (I watch it everyday) and idk why but this is one of my favourite episodes. I don’t even rlly think about the cannibalism aspect that much, more a commentary on police, bojack comforting Kelsey on being a good mother, and a rare Diane and Todd moment
Why did I think for a second that the thumbnail was an evil chicken version of beatrice? 😅
What's strange is if the show had anthropomorphic chickens raising regular chickens (the chickens that look like our chickens.) it probably wouldn't of been that big of a deal for folks.
Weird if people hate this one yet love the underwater episode. Since we see a bunch of fish get eaten at one point.
I effin' love Chickens. This is actually one of my top 10 favorite episodes, Chicken4Dayz song is forever in my head, and the ending where it only worked out cause of celebrity just kinda... worked. It's the dichotomy of "no matter how hard regular people struggle, people with a wee bit of power get ahead with almost no effort". Also...
I'm not gonna skip the ad now, i'm invested!
I thought Prickly Muffin was the worst. So bad that I thought everyone collectively agreed (writers included) that it never happened. Until it came back to reopen and resalt some wounds.
The morality of eating meat becomes a gray area when you consider we have to take supplements if we're vegan/vegetarian. As omnivores we don't get much choice in this regardless of how good or bad it is, it's like being a vampire forced to feed on people. They might hate doing it but they still have to.
That one scene where Todd falls off the tractor kills me everytime
This episode and halfway down are amazing. Chicken's is an amazing statement on othering and in group out group dynamics. It touches on the absurdities and horrors of our own ability to dehumanize over arbitrary concepts.
Here is my theory on why most cultures don't eat dogs. I think it's the same reason we don't typically eat horses. We use them as tools, not food
Disagree - most people have pets as companionship. I think the minority of dog/cat owners keep them for safety or other "practical" uses
Johnny 2 Cozy is literally the perfect title name… It is what it says it is, Johnny, helping to make you 2 cozy
People HATED that episode? It was very funny and witty; way more than some Season 1 episodes, even for a fan of that season.
I'll always love this episode just because Cedric Yarborough uses his Stinkmeaner voice in the Chicken for Days ad
had no idea people hated this episode, i think it had a cool concept
The concept of this episode reminds me of the book Tender Is the Flesh by Agustina Bazterrica. In the book animal meat isn't available anymore so there are humans raised as livestock and eaten by society at large. It freaks me out there and here too.
I love this episode, because it goes in depth explaining an aspect of their world that A)absolutely does not need explaining. And, B)I did not ever expect it to addressed, let alone be acknowledged as being completing fucked up.
This was one of my favorite episodes. It was extremely dark and hilarious. In addition to that, it showed great character development for everyone. One of my favorites for sure!
The lore of Bojack is something that is both curious and at the same time something you don't want to overly think too much about how the world works. While that world has both Humans and anthropomorphic animals, you also have it where we constantly see them eating food on a regular basis. When food is often shown, eventually you're gonna have to question if the very meat is made by the same animal products that you see the very same type of animal walking around LA.
Whats kinda hilarious is that Bojack Horseman, not a single person has a household pet which is very interesting to think on. No cat, dog, bird, or even a pet goldfish.
I think I’ve always viewed this from the perspective of justifying the humanity of some and not others. I totally get the food consumption lens but I see also race and class clearly highlighted and how we are all complicit in the denigration of others we believe to be less than ourselves. Especially if we have to sacrifice something we need or enjoy in our own lives.
I recognize, as a write this, whether it’s the meat eating lens or what I posed above, they can both lead to the same questions: who is deemed worth of life? Who is deemed most valuable. Where do we draw the line? How am I complicit? And so on.
I love this episode though. It felt incredibly incisive and well crafted. Effective and economical in execution.
I just thought it was an unfun episode. But I am also on of those very few who don't care too much for todd and 'todd does random shit' plots
The episode is a metaphor?
I thought the joke is in television, there are people animals and animal animals. For example, both Goofy and Pluto are dogs, but one is a person and the other an animal.
The ending of the episode can be seen as a gut punch to some because, yes, you sometimes heard stories about people saving a pig or a cow of being slaughtered and giving a new home in a sanctuary, but that didn´t stop millions of them still getting eaten every day. It also shows how easily we can "deshumanise" animals in our lives, you could watchTikTok videos about cute lambs while not shedding a tear for the beef hamburger you where eating at the time.
I bet if Becka the chicken wasn´t part of the plot the average viewer wouldn´t have cared if human size chickens genetically modified to be dumb was an horrible idea, just wacky worldbuilding. Is a necessary reminder.
I feel like they could have just gone the route of having both animal people and regular animals
Like if you just had a regular animals and did an episode about the meat industry and where we draw these lines it would be disturbing enough
It didn't need to be turned into Soylent Green lobotomy edition
That being said for what it is it's executed almost perfectly which is expected from Bojack
If it wasn't an animal that IS sentient in the Bojack universe it might have worked better as a metaphor, the problem is a chicken selling us chickens they gave brain damage on purpose to turn into food, which means that it is objectively the same as raising and eating mentally challenged children. There should have just been a species of animal that for some reason everyone accepts is food if they wanted to make that comparison.
As it is it just takes the edge off everything Bojack does throughout the show and makes it weird that someone as morally self conscious as Diane helps return a mentally challenged person to their death and then goes and eats human being.
As an autistic person, fucking THANK YOU. It's sick and wrong to eat those chickens because *lobotomies are bad*, not cultural bias. No one ever seems to address that in all this debate.
The struggle to find meaning, purpose and what to offer the world and the struggle to do so actually hit quite close to home. Didnt ever realize that about this episode, kinda seeing it in a new light now
im convinced people who hate this episode arent fond of worldbuilding episodes in shows
This episode is great and hilarious and quotable… just like all the other episodes. Love it. I always recommend Chicken 4 Days whenever anyone asks where we should get lunch
As much as people dont want to talk about it, the meat industry is awful. I dont want to stop eating meat, nor i want anyonr to stop eating meat. But we need to be aware the conditions those animals are being put thought. It is barberic and sad.
How do we resolve this? Preassure to the killing of these animals to not be as savage. To every part to be used and not wasted, to more alternatives of non meat products. Reducing the consume to a point we dont have to over saturate the meat production
I personally try to eat only animals i wouldn't adopt, which is basically chicken and fish
And i want to consume from farms that treat them better before eating them
Thing is, the way to pressure the companies is to not buy stuff from then, i.e. not eating meat.
Im not trying to change your mind to be clear, im just stating that that is reality.
I personally avoid animals I respect. Like, pigs and octopus are SMART, it feels weird eating one. (OK I mostly avoid pig meat, since octopus isn't really common in my area)
johnny has a sleepytime compilation channel?? oh the bojack compilations are gonna hit GOOD on homework/drawing sessions!
"CHICKEN 4 DAYS!" haha! I say that sometimes when getting KFC! 😂
Also this episode was hated? I kinda liked it. And it ALSO explained how eating meat works in the Bojack H-man universe. and also because ever since season one episode 4 with the scene where the cow waitress angrily gave a human a steak dinner and he was kinda embarrassed and guilty I kept asking "WAIT SO HOW DOES FOOD WORK IN THIS UNIVERSE?!" and I'm kinda glad I got my answer! (But that's probably just me. Idk...) 🍽️
This world has lots of creative freedom. Bojack can eat horse food or people food and neither is wrong. Should horses eat oats, hay, and carrots or honeydew and chicken like people do?
As a lifelong vegetarian, I was never remotely surprised people hated this episode. I have alienated roomfuls of people by sharing my dietary preference.