tenure: In the 1990's, a Wizard of OZ cartoon was made and in it--using storylines and characters from the 1939 film--The Wicked Witch of the West (Elphaba) is revived from her liquidated state (because in both the film and in the "Wicked" novel, The Wicked Witch melts, due to her villainously tragic character).
She isn’t Elphaba in anything other than Wicked, nor is she is a travic figure in anything other than that musical.m/novel, In canon, the Wicked Witch of the West is a true villain
@big red Honestly, it's easier to reconcile the 1939 MGM film together with _WICKED_ than it is trying to shoehorn the 1939 MGM film into the world of L. Frank Baum's Famous 40 original literary OZ canon that's long since become public domain, because the 1939 MGM film already has so many discrepancies between itself & _The Wonderful Wizard of OZ_ fairytale it was originally based on that it IS more or less its own thing completely separate from the mainline OZ literary canon, whereas _WICKED_ (both the 1995 novel for older readers & its 2003 musical adapted for family audiences, although there ARE glaringly noticeable alterations between the book & musical versions of _WICKED_ as well, as you might've guessed, however, the purported movie in development by distributor NBC -- with Universal Studios hopefully collaborating with Warner Bros. [in particular, the division of AT&T's Warner Media that owns the MGM film so we can get accurate references properly, like the Silver Shoes becoming the Ruby Slippers] -- will probably be a merger of the two, likely cobbling together aspects from both the book & the musical to appease both fans of the book & fans of the musical) is basically 98.9% the 1939 MGM canon in terms of aesthetics & identifying character traits, not to mention the producers of the musical actively trying to officially make _WICKED_ into THE definitively realized CANON prequel/continuation of the 1939 MGM film & actually succeeding on that front in some respects, even though staunch die-hards fiercely protective of the 1939 MGM film might not want to think of Margaret Hamilton's character as Idina Menzel's Elphaba when they are quite LITERALLY the SAME character (the whole "it was all a dream" setup from the movie easily being able to be explained away as Glinda using her magic on Dorothy to make her think OZ was a dream when it wasn't, because all other film adaptations genuinely treat OZ as a real place, much like the other 39 public domain OZ book sequels have legitimately done according to the original literary canon of OZ, since Dorothy literally moves from Liberal, Kansas back to OZ permanently eventually anyway, with her Uncle Henry & Aunt Em living just outside the gates of The Emerald City meanwhile Dorothy, dog Toto, chicken Ballina, et al all reside in the palace as close personal friends of ruling heiress Princess Ozma), never mind how Margaret Hamilton when she was still alive sadly found herself unfortunately typecast after playing the iconic role that she went on _Sesame Street_ & _Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood_ to show that the Wicked Witch of the West isn't all bad whilst saying -- perhaps inadvertently providing a young Gregory Maguire with influential ideas -- that, maybe, all fans really needed to do was see things from the Witch's perspective! ~cue _WICKED_ being written in 1995 & it becoming a successful musical still ongoing to this day following its 2003 debut, much like the forever timeless 1939 MGM film it was predominately inspired by~
@@TherealRNOwwfpooh The famous forty are not all by Baum. He died after the 14th. The musical WICKED is indeed very much influenced by the movie, sure. The point is, the original book doesn't need to be reconciled with musical anymore than Wicked does. Each is a separate adaptation of the same source material. They exist in their own universe, yet people are relentlessly trying to tie them together. Much the same as the majority of people believe that the Walt Disney company invented the fairytales upon that their original canon of movies were based. People get their brains all wound up in trying to make various adaptions make sense together. The MGM movie is the MGM movie Wicked is Wicked. They are no way officially tied together and should be enjoyed as such. The Witch in 1939 movie, is not Elphaba.
@@bigred8432 What ignorant person truly believes the Walt Disney Company actually invented _Snow White_ , _Pinocchio_ , _Cinderella_ , _Bambi_ , _Dumbo_ , _Sleeping Beauty_ , etc. when everyone should already know the originals were written by the Brothers Grimm and Charles Perrault (among others), the Italian guy who wrote _Pinocchio_ (who's an unlikeable jerk in the source material that kills Jiminy Crickett within minutes of meeting each other, with the cricket's ghost acting as the wooden puppet boy's conscience), Hans Christian Andersen (namely, _The Little Mermaid_ ["Ariel" sadly dies in the original story] and _The Snow Queen_ [which was reworked to become _Frozen_ which in itself took a lot of inspiration from _Wicked_ honestly]), C.J. Lewis (the _Chronicles of Narnia_ series), P.L. Travers (the _Mary Poppins_ story, with _Saving Mr. Banks_ being an idealized retelling of the making of the Disney film, with Tom Hanks as Uncle Walt & the cantankerous authoress portrayed by Emma Thompson), James Barrie (both _Peter Pan_ as well as its sequel _Hook_ [the latter was adapted into the non-Disney cult classic Robin Williams film directed by Steven Spielberg]), Rudyard Kipling (whose racial leanings permeated the original stories of _The Jungle Book_ & were far more controversial than Louis Prima doing scat singing as new character addition King Louie or Disney deciding to make snake Kaa into a secondary villain, who was played for comedic slapstick in comparison to tiger Sher Khan, the true threat of the movie), A.A. Milne (the original _Winnie-the-Pooh_ stories that inspired 1977's _The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh_ & the 2011 film), etc.?
@@TherealRNOwwfpooh Lots of people think that and regard any other version as a copy. There are a enormous amount of people who have no knowledge of world history. let alone history of literature. The Brothers Grimm didn't write the originals however. Charles Perrault and the Brother's Grimm, recorded the fairytales as we mostly now know them (with varying versions originating in Paris and Germany) but the stories had been shared as folk tales for hundreds of year prior. The earliest recorded version of Cinderella, for example is from China and many of those fairytales are based on Ancient Egyptian stories. Also, it's Andersen not Anderson :P
tenure: No, no. I am heterosexual, but I do have friends who are gay, lesbian, and bisexual, and so, for their sakes, I'd rather you not use "gay" and other words in a demeaning manner.
tenure: And in the book, Fiyero was not the Scarecrow either. Elphie's insane mind just made think that the Scarecrow was Fiyero. And I am confused at the "keep it gay" thing? I know Elphie is most likely bisexual--what with her affair with married Fiyero and the underlying tension between her and Glinda--but that doesn't even factor much into the play, even if it was subtle in the book.
I remember as a kid that I had no idea what The Wizard of Oz was until I saw this live.
I like this rendition of "If I Only Had a Brain" I think it's very danceable! :D
My first memory that I can remember is when my aunt and uncle took me to see the wizard of oz on ice back in 97.. I was just 3 years old
I love how this song has been changed to a jazz song!
i love this
True, true. In the musical it is more obvious though. I'm a huge fan of both as you see by my name :)
awesome
After all these years watching, i just realized the munchkin mayor looks more like the Mad Hatter 😂
tenure: In the 1990's, a Wizard of OZ cartoon was made and in it--using storylines and characters from the 1939 film--The Wicked Witch of the West (Elphaba) is revived from her liquidated state (because in both the film and in the "Wicked" novel, The Wicked Witch melts, due to her villainously tragic character).
She isn’t Elphaba in anything other than Wicked, nor is she is a travic figure in anything other than that musical.m/novel, In canon, the Wicked Witch of the West is a true villain
@big red Honestly, it's easier to reconcile the 1939 MGM film together with _WICKED_ than it is trying to shoehorn the 1939 MGM film into the world of L. Frank Baum's Famous 40 original literary OZ canon that's long since become public domain, because the 1939 MGM film already has so many discrepancies between itself & _The Wonderful Wizard of OZ_ fairytale it was originally based on that it IS more or less its own thing completely separate from the mainline OZ literary canon, whereas _WICKED_ (both the 1995 novel for older readers & its 2003 musical adapted for family audiences, although there ARE glaringly noticeable alterations between the book & musical versions of _WICKED_ as well, as you might've guessed, however, the purported movie in development by distributor NBC -- with Universal Studios hopefully collaborating with Warner Bros. [in particular, the division of AT&T's Warner Media that owns the MGM film so we can get accurate references properly, like the Silver Shoes becoming the Ruby Slippers] -- will probably be a merger of the two, likely cobbling together aspects from both the book & the musical to appease both fans of the book & fans of the musical) is basically 98.9% the 1939 MGM canon in terms of aesthetics & identifying character traits, not to mention the producers of the musical actively trying to officially make _WICKED_ into THE definitively realized CANON prequel/continuation of the 1939 MGM film & actually succeeding on that front in some respects, even though staunch die-hards fiercely protective of the 1939 MGM film might not want to think of Margaret Hamilton's character as Idina Menzel's Elphaba when they are quite LITERALLY the SAME character (the whole "it was all a dream" setup from the movie easily being able to be explained away as Glinda using her magic on Dorothy to make her think OZ was a dream when it wasn't, because all other film adaptations genuinely treat OZ as a real place, much like the other 39 public domain OZ book sequels have legitimately done according to the original literary canon of OZ, since Dorothy literally moves from Liberal, Kansas back to OZ permanently eventually anyway, with her Uncle Henry & Aunt Em living just outside the gates of The Emerald City meanwhile Dorothy, dog Toto, chicken Ballina, et al all reside in the palace as close personal friends of ruling heiress Princess Ozma), never mind how Margaret Hamilton when she was still alive sadly found herself unfortunately typecast after playing the iconic role that she went on _Sesame Street_ & _Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood_ to show that the Wicked Witch of the West isn't all bad whilst saying -- perhaps inadvertently providing a young Gregory Maguire with influential ideas -- that, maybe, all fans really needed to do was see things from the Witch's perspective!
~cue _WICKED_ being written in 1995 & it becoming a successful musical still ongoing to this day following its 2003 debut, much like the forever timeless 1939 MGM film it was predominately inspired by~
@@TherealRNOwwfpooh The famous forty are not all by Baum. He died after the 14th.
The musical WICKED is indeed very much influenced by the movie, sure. The point is, the original book doesn't need to be reconciled with musical anymore than Wicked does.
Each is a separate adaptation of the same source material. They exist in their own universe, yet people are relentlessly trying to tie them together.
Much the same as the majority of people believe that the Walt Disney company invented the fairytales upon that their original canon of movies were based. People get their brains all wound up in trying to make various adaptions make sense together.
The MGM movie is the MGM movie
Wicked is Wicked.
They are no way officially tied together and should be enjoyed as such. The Witch in 1939 movie, is not Elphaba.
@@bigred8432 What ignorant person truly believes the Walt Disney Company actually invented _Snow White_ , _Pinocchio_ , _Cinderella_ , _Bambi_ , _Dumbo_ , _Sleeping Beauty_ , etc. when everyone should already know the originals were written by the Brothers Grimm and Charles Perrault (among others), the Italian guy who wrote _Pinocchio_ (who's an unlikeable jerk in the source material that kills Jiminy Crickett within minutes of meeting each other, with the cricket's ghost acting as the wooden puppet boy's conscience), Hans Christian Andersen (namely, _The Little Mermaid_ ["Ariel" sadly dies in the original story] and _The Snow Queen_ [which was reworked to become _Frozen_ which in itself took a lot of inspiration from _Wicked_ honestly]), C.J. Lewis (the _Chronicles of Narnia_ series), P.L. Travers (the _Mary Poppins_ story, with _Saving Mr. Banks_ being an idealized retelling of the making of the Disney film, with Tom Hanks as Uncle Walt & the cantankerous authoress portrayed by Emma Thompson), James Barrie (both _Peter Pan_ as well as its sequel _Hook_ [the latter was adapted into the non-Disney cult classic Robin Williams film directed by Steven Spielberg]), Rudyard Kipling (whose racial leanings permeated the original stories of _The Jungle Book_ & were far more controversial than Louis Prima doing scat singing as new character addition King Louie or Disney deciding to make snake Kaa into a secondary villain, who was played for comedic slapstick in comparison to tiger Sher Khan, the true threat of the movie), A.A. Milne (the original _Winnie-the-Pooh_ stories that inspired 1977's _The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh_ & the 2011 film), etc.?
@@TherealRNOwwfpooh Lots of people think that and regard any other version as a copy. There are a enormous amount of people who have no knowledge of world history. let alone history of literature.
The Brothers Grimm didn't write the originals however. Charles Perrault and the Brother's Grimm, recorded the fairytales as we mostly now know them (with varying versions originating in Paris and Germany) but the stories had been shared as folk tales for hundreds of year prior. The earliest recorded version of Cinderella, for example is from China and many of those fairytales are based on Ancient Egyptian stories.
Also, it's Andersen not Anderson :P
O.O holy crap
Would it be a good idea if the scarecrow from the 1939 film was dubbed with the 1996 film on ice singing "if I only had a Brain"?
Nostalgia critic sent me here
Yoshimaniac's Throz Gang:
Wanda
Duke
Bolt
Max
From 4:03 I have this Wizard of Oz on ice recorded on video!
Certainly true if you've seen the musical Wicked!
0:56 The "yellow" road...did someone pee on the ice?😶
No.
tenure: Not if they did what the 90's cartoon did and have a band of her most loyal flunkies revive her.
If you ask me, I'd liked the skater playing Dorothy a lot better with just the ruby slippers, pigtails, and overalls.
the dogs poor feet would be so cold!!! :(
Emily Rawet actually dogs have "pads" on their paws allowing them to no get their feet cold
i thought you meant wizard of oz on ICE the drug ice lol you would probably understand this joke if you lived in hawaii
So cursed!
Alexplayz's Moz Gang:
Princess Jasmine
Barret Williams
Tingle
Ike
tenure: No, no. I am heterosexual, but I do have friends who are gay, lesbian, and bisexual, and so, for their sakes, I'd rather you not use "gay" and other words in a demeaning manner.
tenure: I'd rather it be dark and depressing in keeping with Elphie's true character.
tenure: And in the book, Fiyero was not the Scarecrow either. Elphie's insane mind just made think that the Scarecrow was Fiyero. And I am confused at the "keep it gay" thing? I know Elphie is most likely bisexual--what with her affair with married Fiyero and the underlying tension between her and Glinda--but that doesn't even factor much into the play, even if it was subtle in the book.
'Tis okay, but please, I'd rather you not use the phrase. It make take on a demeaning meaning.
awesome