What Happened To Vintage Investing & Collecting In MTG
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10:30 This is exactly where I am right now. Never imagined I would have dual lands or Mox Diamonds or Gaea's Cradles in my collection. But I finally had the epiphany that I could convert newer $100+ cards that I will never actually play in a deck and that will tank if reprinted into high end RL cards. Serious level up this year.
Hold The Line is what I hear Mox Say so WTG
This is the way to do it! Great job keep at it
me too. I am dying to get a Plateau to close out my NM red/x duals. also jonesing for an LED.
I used to have Mox Diamonds years ago, back when the were still less than $10 each. Although I started re-buying a lot of the cards I used to have (was so happy to re-acquire a Workshop, love that card) Mox Diamonds I can ignore as they never made the cut into any deck, and the art isn't compelling enough for me to want it in my art binder.
The few times I ran Mox Diamond I had to kind of 'force it in' and there was always something better to replace it with. 😕
@Alpha-Prophetic The reason I have 4 Vintage decks is exactly that, it's hard to find a casual Vintage game. Normally I play them with a friend that's still kind of new to the game and only has EDH decks, Vintage lets him see cool interactions backed by raw aggression.
I do plan on replacing the Chinese duals and Forces for authentic copies, but the power, Bazaars and Library...probably never going to replace them, I cannot see myself in a position where I can lock up that much value for decks I rarely play.
Well, maybe I'll talk myself into buying the 1 Library. 😀
Here in Europe there is a 'healthy' Legacy / Vintage tournament scene, sometimes from what I read I think those formats are more popular here than in the states.
I am mainly focusing on Legends cards that run between $20 and $70 at the moment.
I'm filling in my Legends at the moment also.
Always a good day when The Mox Man makes a video. I look back at my mtg vintage collection with great pleasure, particularly the BGS 8 beta Badlands signed by Rob Alexander, the jewel of my collection. No power yet, but maybe some day. I don’t think I’ll ever sell my cards.
I have never stopped buying vintage and reserved list. STAY THE COURSE
Just bought a sealed Visions box! You inspired me to pull the trigger cause i see yours in the background of every video. Visions was the first full set I decided to collect so it's a special one for me... grabbed two Nova Pentacles recently too...
I recently moved into collecting more vintage sets because the art is far better than art from todays magic sets . A lot of the art seems to digital now .
All I know is whenever I can I try to pick up some deals here and there. Random sealed boosters will RL cards in them. Score those deals while you can like swifty ninja.
More vintage talk please!
The day Soldevi Excavations disappears will be a dark day in human history!!
I’m still making monthly moves into my RL collection. Just picked up NM copies of Eladamri and Aluren from Tempest and Dream Halls from Stronghold. Such a great block!
Are you the one that took the three near mints from card kingdom yesterday lol
@@johnmccrary6701 just one of each! But yes from CK
@@DocB_83 they sold out super quick so i missed it
I like the quiet, much nicer than a wild ride where I have to pay so much attention with what I'm interested in. But I feel a shakeup is coming as the markets slowly regain speed and sales pick up too. At least that''s what some stores say, they get in more orders again. This will also come to old cards, perhaps not in the next weeks but very likely in the next months to come. I hope to get some of my target cards before that price jump comes along, it might be like early 2021 when some prices just doubled or more. We'll see.
Moxman, I FINALLY upgraded my Sapphire! Been talking about doing that for years, finally pulled the trigger. Not minty by any means (would probably grade a 5) but a lot better than my old one and it was a good price.
Non-RL pick up this week:
ARN Mountain
(used buylist store credit)
I have 12 cards I’m actively watching right now, and am always on the look out for an affordable Alpha here and there.
Oh nice! I need my mountain still and have my eye on one as soon as I clear up my bills for the car then I can pull the trigger
I still buy all the time, quiet time is the best time, Mox Man
Vintage magic will raise in price in future hold on to ur old mtg cards the value goin up next 20 yrs.
I put the split in 1999 -- pre and post Hasbro buyout. That makes the last "vintage" set Portal Three Kingdoms and the first non-vintage set Mercadian Masques. Conveniently, this also lines up with the end of the reserved list as the last non-portal set released before the Hasbro buyout was Urza's Destiny.
I'm still buying abu 4 horseman common uncommon cards . Definitely still love buying cheap reserve list cards . I just ordered a few more spirit shields lol . I think I have approx 115 now .
I am pretty proud of my beta fungusour.
Same James, great time for collectors!
GUARDIAN BEAST IS THE SHIZZZ💯
I tend to define Vintage in MTG as: all 21 sets that have Reserved List cards; Duel Decks; the RL cards in/the sets of Phyrexia vs. the Coalition, From the Vault: Relics, Judge Promos, Magic Player Rewards, & Prerelease cards; 4th edition [especially the Alternate], Chronicles, 5th Edition, 6th Edition, and 7th [since it's the first core set with foils]. I'm still on the fence about certain unnamed sets [Nemesis, Prophecy, Invasion, Planeshift, Apocalypse, Odyssey, Torment, Judgement, Legions, & Scourge], I think once Magic turns 30, I will revise my definition to anything pre-Scourge. However, I guess a simpler definition would be anything Premodern or older. I think that's a fair definition of the term Vintage since it basically covers the first 1/3 of Magic's history. Another working definition could be anything that's 20-years or older, since it allows to be updated every year.
I consider OG Ravnica and earlier vintage. Some people think it’s only 93-94 but I just call that four horsemen. I definitely have my targets and I’ve been adding to them. When this tide starts rising I’ll be surfing 🏄♂️
Vintage investing for me is: alpha beta unlimited revised, and arabian nights, legends, antiquities, the dark. Anything else is not Vintage. I agree NM is the way to go for collecting. It gives you an easy out if you have to sell some cards down the road for cash. NM cards are more liquid, much easier to sell. Collectors don't buy anything less than NM, unless the card in question is ultra rare or sees tons of play and is reseve list.
Exactly. There are 8 vintage sets. Abu revised and the four horsemen. They are the only sets I buy cards from. Makes it a lot easier to deal with FOMO and wallet fatigue with a new product every month.
@@mojosodope45 My cutoff is Olivia's wedding, I've decided to ignore all the cards in later sets as I cannot possibly keep pace with the way WotC is pumping out sets these days and there are a LOT of older cards I still want.
I allow exceptions for reprints, a la the DM2022 full-art cards where I prefer the new art to old (Oracle of Mul Daya) or the art is just Wow! (never thought I'd see another Foglio card in the game).
Great vid. I think it's worth mentioning Revised. Several great RL cards and also the same iconic artworks. I think the supply of NM or better rares is not as high as people think as many Revised cards were played without sleeves also. I still think the whole set is very undervalued across the board.
Moxman pointing at Cabal Coffers one day, Command Zone talking them up a few days later. Hope you’re listening y’all!! #ShopSmartShopSMart #Groovy
i'm the guy you're talking about in this video.
Have a great world! Best new saying :D Boomstick!
I bought Out almost all llanowar elves unlimited on the entire Market :) . Almost No Store has any in Stock now. And mkm price is very high now
As always, super interesting videos to watch. even for me as a normal magic dude whos investing =)
Im one of the few patrons who buy older cards and reserve list cards here and there but im a commander player. Im buying newer cards and flipping modern staples here and there to fuel my commander decks.
Great video Moxman! Appreciate the follow up..keep ‘em coming.
Hey thanks Danny cheers have a great day
Nice video Moxman! I'm a little late today...took the day off to take my girl to the park to play in the stream and got some ice cream after. Once in a while you have to stop and just enjoy life. :)
I agree! the week off with family just gives you a chill relaxed feeling
I think most is 1. Collecting 2. Speculating 3. Investing
Good advice, Mox Man. Hold the line and stay the course on old school cards! RL4EVA!
Arabian Nights urza Saga Mirridon and Throne of eldraine are the best sets ever in magic in my opinion
Great video
I am being "forced" to buy a house.
There's a lot to it, but, essentially I'm not in a financial position to continue pursuing as I had been.
Luckily, so far, I have been able to retain my entire collection; all sealed product, all RL, all play decks and "value/trade" binders.
But if I was able to, folks, I'd be investing hard as I had been.
Global markets, looming recessions, price increases of goods and services, these are the things that force collectors to offload assets.
And usually... at bargain, or near enough, prices.
A house is a great investment! and you kept your collection,...bro your a demi god!
I miss all my old school 1993 1998 I had 4 each duel lands
that is now a GOAL!!! get them slowly one at a time
Hmmm I would like some ice age stuff always loved the og snow lands
Collect what you love but what you know too. I'm always learning about the game and experiencing the hunt; it makes the saving and the chase all that more enjoyable when I land the card I've been after. Magic is so piquant - even more so with all the sets and variants floating around.
I'm always about RL (yes, you know I also have specific 'pet ' cards I collect too), but there's some cards for me that are just too nice (old border foils in nm condition), old sets (beautiful to own and nostalgic to me), cards that are woke-banned (cards that WotC hierarchy deem problematic to modern audiences but are historically important), and finally Unlimited (no A/B but affordable to me to enjoy the classics)
Just enjoy the experience.
Oh yeah, still got plenty of common Festival from The Dark!
Just got a mint library of Alexandria! what's your favorite card???
Lol I remember seeing boxes of unlimited and beta lands at hobby lobby for almost nothing. I miss the 90's
#HoldTheLine we still out here baby!!!
Yeah and its getting GOOOD
Started mtg in 1996 so for me ice age block / 4th edition and before feels like vintage. Ten years later when I finally earned money I bought playsets of abyss, drop of honey, many duals and singles like a time walk. Because I wanted to own and playing with those, couldnt imagine such an increase in price. Now I start selling my multiples in order to buy specific cards I always wanted to OWN, cant wait finally holding a library or moat in my hands :)
I totally hear ya.
I grabbed a bunch of stuff I thought was cool when I got my first “big boy job” after college and had extra money laying around. One each of Moat, The Abyss, Nether Void, All Hallow’s Eve, Chains, Candleabra… AN stuff like Guardian Beast, Island of Wak Wak, … all under $200 each. Grabbed a play set of Living Plane because I wanted to build a deck that made lands creatures so I could Eradicate them to screw over mono colored decks … just for the lulz. Grabbed a play set of Eureka for a deck idea. Never stopped buying duals (70+) because I hated deconning my decks and they were $40 or under each at the time (bought a UL Plateau for $12 at a LGS). Have a number of Chaos Orbs for the same reason. Even had a friend ink one up for fun. Still use it in my Chaos 250. Some Alpha stuff because my friends made fun of my collection that had a lot of white bordered stuff when I started … so I have a Word if Command, Psionic Blasts, a Forcefield, and some others.
I wished I would have bought more Arabian nights though. Had almost pulled the trigger on a Library a couple of times. Always wanted a Drop of Honey. Wish I would have picked up a Tabernacle. Wish I wouldn’t have sold my Lotus … my only piece of power. Lots of mistakes to go with the smart moves. Such is hindsight.
@@insaned4666 I know that feeling asking yourself why u didnt pick up more in the past ;) On the other hand I am happy to get at least a bunch of cards before their rise in price. You grabbed many great cards and 70+ duals sounds nice, I have 30, so not a playset of each but paid about only 30-40 each as well.
Still at it the price decrease made me purchase more reserve list. Still flipping modern,commander and pioneers cards. Still at sealed for 2042. The person in souix falls Indiana that i follow is still investing.
Yeah! were just ninja quiet and still buying
As prices go up, market gets smaller and smaller. I own my power out of nostalgia, but majority of my gains have been made through Masters, Modern Horizons 1/2, and lottery card draft booster boxes.
PS with retailers ending buylists or timmies selling to Rudies at 50% on the dollar, you need generational gains to turn a profit. Take a played ungraded black lotus at 9-20k USD, unless you got the card at 2-5k, you aren’t going to turn a profit and liquidate quickly. Sadly, bid and offer for collectibles have huge spreads along with far less liquidity versus public equities.
Great video. Question. In the long run is it worth spending the extra money an unlimited version of a card vs possibly getting 2 of the same card in revised? Condition being the same and all.
Really depends on the card. Copy Artifact, probably 2 revised are better in the long run, more so if you need to sell it but still have a deck that needs it. Clone, a single Unlimited is better as that card's price will take so long to recover it's better to get the oldest version one can afford (stated as someone that bought Brago an Unlimited clone for precisely this reasons).
Ok thanks
30 year veterans of the game, my friends and I play 100 card singleton Vintage w no ban list. We still buy up the old stuff, and mix it with the new. This is the way.
This is the way.
531 reserved list cards, not including all my regular ABU cards. Will I sell them? Nope. I'm removing reserved list cards AND masterpieces out of the market one card at a time.
YEAH!!!!!
I want all the English NM Griffin Canyons in the world :)
Prices are going low... Time to buy!
For me vintage is premodern era foil and anything prior to when they put the rarity in the set symbol. I don't care TOO much about buying the reserve list anymore. 4-5 years ago, I was buying beta, arabian, antiquity and legends cards. 3 years ago I was buying arabian nights commons/unco, the dark, reserve list foil and mid tier RL. 2 years ago I started to buy vintage foils CHEAP, but I stopped faster than expected cause they went up way too fast (within less than 6 month of me doing it). Since last year, I've been buying collector edition/international edition NM, common/unco vintage foils NM only and a couple of random cards here and there. I'm curious this time how long I will be able to do it before the market switch and price me out of this too.
i recently got the full AFR showcase art set, now the baldurs bulk showcase set (minus the dragons) is on its way... maybe ill focus on the RL after i completed the set
I've been wondering how much more the general spike in prices from the last two years will fade.
Depends on how many of the dire predictions about the economy materialise, and how many people are forced to choose between holding cards or paying rent / buying food.
i generally pick up a few older cards per order, I've got a decent collection of unlimited stuff, and I'm building an Old School deck (mono red burn/agro) going for Unlimited printings for as many of the cards as i can reasonably afford to. some of the rares have really jumped in price.
I do as well Andy, I grab a couple of cards each and every month
I hope the RL cards stay low a little longer. I have been waiting on a big payout from work, but it keeps getting delayed.
You and me Both Michael!
The foils from 1999 and before are harder to get because 1999 was the first year for foils lmfao.
I am sticking with reserve list cards
Will he buy vintage cards, will he trim his beard, tune in tomorrow for an all new Mox Man, followed by your local news broadcast.
I trim daily! hehe
Reserved list card Haunting Wind has been climbing a lot recently, organic growth or buyout happening?
I think people are getting ready for brother's war... expectations are super high for artifact overload! I think everything artifact related is currently going up
Brothers war, not the first card it will make the top ten this weekend for sure
Quietly buying collectors edition and international edition. Very under rated still
I am still buying some as well
Forcefield time vault muhahah
My overall collection has 4 main divisions:
1. Tier 2 / obsolete modern decks maintained to play well against each other
2. 4 Vintage decks (powered by China!)
3. EDH decks
4. My 'art binders' full of cards I like the art on and do not make the cut into a deck for whatever reason
Something I want to do with my art binders is have at least 1 representational card from every non-silver border, tournament-legal set. I recently crossed Portal: 3 Kingdoms off the list, now I just need to get 1 representational Alpha card. I'm thinking False Orders or Invisibility as a card still affordable, yet not in revised, or Hurloon Minotaur as the old mascot of the game.
edit: Read other comments and realised I forgot about my minuscule stash of sealed boxes, which I keep far away from my other cards to minimise temptation to open anything (that and watching videos of crap box openings, like the poor bastard that got ZERO TSR: Timeshifted foils. ZERO) and will be the first thing to get sold if I have to start selling.
In fact that's pretty much why I have sealed product, as a speculative buffer to protect my main collections if I suddenly need cash.
I love my Sealed collection!
@@MTGMOXMAN But if you're in a cash flow crisis they'll be the first things you look at selling, jo?
(hmmm, I need money, do I sell this box of possibility or do I sell these single cards I actually play with? ;-)
3:30 People are hoarding Alpha cards? What assholes.
*(backs away slowly)*
Alpha?!? What’s that..never heard of it 😉
Lol
Its like me and the original sulfurous springs. Also i don't buy reserve list cards to sell. I just want to keep them.
Mox Man, what is your stance on signed cards? I cannot recall you discussing them in your other videos I've seen.
Hi have spoken about them in the past, the library of Mox is big 1k videos lol, Tony I personally like signed cards. I know players also can consider them damaged as well. I will pick them up when I get the chance if the price is right and I just add them to my collection.
@@MTGMOXMAN Something I like doing is having at least 1 signed and at least 1 reserve list card in all my EDH decks, other than that I will always choose signed if available and the multiplier isn't too high. Paid an extra 20 euro for a signed original English Sol'Kanar, more than I usually would, but sadly RKF isn't going to be signing any more cards...
Keep up the awesome content.
I will stick with RL cards all the way at least I know they will have value
I love investing in Unlimited lands
Shhhhhhhhhhh...!
I always say the new money doesn't want their Father's or Grandpa's old fart card's lol....
Everyone is being squeezed financially this summer with fuel and insane power bills (plus endless heat waves). I think the vintage market will be stagnant until Christmas bonuses and tax refund season arrives. So I guess a good time for bargains if you can afford it
Sometimes the things you say make me question if you are just a really pretty face 😏. Reserve list doesn’t mean most powerful cards in magic. There is next to no correlation except for what 9 cards? Of those 9 cards only what 1 or 2 are legal in edh? And the ones that are legal are like the absolute bottom end of that 9 card list in terms of power. It isn’t that the reserve list cards are “very powerful” it’s simply that they are old and can’t be reprinted.
YOU are NEVER clean shaven. : P
I have had a goatee for 30 years lol, but the beard is only in the last 3 years or less
All collectibles went through the room because of crypto money laundering. (Ie buying collectibles with value but no official money value in order to hide/launder crypto gains). It’ll crash when they need real money.
Boomstick
The market is severely underpriced, especially on specific ABU/Horsemen cards. All it’s going to take is one ultra whale, or a group of investors to clean everything out 🤷♀️
It definitely only takes one whale or group of investors to put an old reserve list card through the roof... recent evidence: argivian archeologist. It's relatively inexpensive to buy out a card where there are only 5-10 copies available on the open market. Search any arabian nights rare
Im a big fan of truely limited releases for MTG over vintage magic personally. Things like Mythic Editions, SDCC Planeswalkers, Throne of Eldraine Deluxe Editions, and limited secret lairs (ie. Beadle and Grimms Dragons). These are exceptionally collectible, have a lower capital outlay and typically appreciate faster than vintage but are relatively less liquid. I usually target buylist pricing + 10% for any of these releases to help limit downside risk. Ultimately I am capped out on MTG and collectible investing this year, with rising interest rates more focused on income baring stocks and bond. Also looking at purchasing an income property in the next 2 years after house prices drop and level out.
Still buying anything Unlimited 🤫
Yes! I am hehe Lands, and a few uncommons that I like
Seems wrong not to discuss Bitcoin as part of this subject
Shekels
I love you channel, but spending more that $5 on a card, makes me cringe. "Investors" aren't making money, WTC is.
I’m an investor collector and player, I’ve made lots of money doing all three.