The situation is simple and similar for all the museums around the world ... not returning these artefacts has nothing to do that they are better preserved in the museums or even for the sake of science and knowledge... it's just returning these artefacts meant the museums will no longer have a revenues from these artefacts ... it's all about money
" nothing to do that they are better preserved " Nothing? So you're going to ignore all the artifacts and archeological sites that were destroyed in the past 10 years by militants and war? conflict is not good for the preservation of artefacts, and Europe is continues to be the safest continent in the past few generations.
@serebii666 ohhhh that's your reason .... isn't it about money ... let say the stone of rosette... napoleon troopers looted it in Egypt... some guy succeeded to understand ( kind of God knows if he was correct) the hydrographic... then what the purpose to keep it still in the louvre .... Oooohhhhh moneeeeyyyyyy people will pay ticket just to see it ...... Same in all museums.... These artefacts lasted hundreds or millions times facing war but they were still here .... so stop your useless arguments... Museums refuse to return the artefacts cause they will loose money ... Who will pay for a ticket to see a museum which is empty....
@11:40 - @11:54 Considering that Hitler was obsessed with the bust of Nefertiti and the Nazis viewed her connection with the sun god to represent their political outlook, it makes sense that Germany sees the bust as representing them and their "cultural identity". They haven't strayed that far from Hitler and the Nazis, they've only claimed that they have changed.
I am Egyptian i lived in an area infected by landmines laied by Germans and British in north west of Egypt since WWII , some of my family members lost their lives and got injured from these landmines , i was lucky enough i have stepped on few never exploded....not schocked now seeing these people justifying stealing the bust ... please send you army and technology to remove the evil landmines from our desert apologizes for your long crimes.
Today, Egypt is a predominantly Muslim nation, and Muslims generally don't believe in idols, which means there is a high likelihood that they might destroy them. Therefore, it would be safer to keep such items in Germany. I remember when the largest Buddha statue in Afghanistan, the Buddha of Bamyan, was destroyed
That must be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard all my life. Egypt alone has held and protected over 1/3 of all known artifacts on earth and has done so through 1600 years of Islamic rule. As an atheist who sees the sheer madness in what you’re saying, please read a book.
Muslims don’t believe in worshipping idols** that’s the stupid point you almost made, they also believe in preserving history and have done so for thousands of years till y’all showed raining bombs on their homes in the name of freedom and democracy (oil).
@@ziadkhalaf198 You know that the absolute majority of the gate is a “rebuilt”, so the bricks were manufactured around in Berlin, just some reliefs are real. The fake gate is also kind of fantasized and not as true as most believe it, because nobody reads the signs anymore xd So the absolute minority of gate is real, 20% real materials has the museum, but they didn’t rebuild the whole complex, which is still in Iraq, so the actual percentage of what is missing is much lower! And the 20% are from all three gates, not just the last one, which was rebuilt. So the percentage of each of the three gates in the museum is actually quite low. So it’s probably like 10% of the third gate, 7% of the second and 3% of the first one. So the rest is still there and probably in the “dirt” of the archeologist, that didn’t recognized much at the time.
Yeah the bad Germans did that .... how many stole things from Germany and never has returned. You can not blame one country for this activity. Egypt own people robed their pharaos grave to make a better life. It was not only the colonies.
@@kapuzinergruft THAT IS THE THING! They have millions and millions of artifacts that they do not care about! Then one of them comes to Europe. It becomes a huge success (while in Europe). THEN they start caring and saying... ah yes. True. It is very important. Like.. duuh! The "market value" of an object is the value that OTHERS see in an object.
I’m American of Mesopotamian descent. I’m so so glad that many of Mesopotamia’s (Iraq since 1922) archaeological treasures are in Germany (and other European nations). In 2003 (the fall of Saddam) there were out of control mobs who stormed the Iraq museum in Baghdad and stole anything and everything to include the “epic of Gilgamesh” which was eventually returned. Some 30 yrs ago I visited the Louvre in Paris and took pics next to “code of Hammurabi” the winged Tauruses amongst others which made me infuriated at the time as they looked so disgustingly out of place and should be returned. I no longer feel that way especially after isis (2014-2016) destroyed priceless statues and artefacts thousands of yrs old bcz it didn’t conform w. Islam. The aforementioned were there before and during Islamization of Mesopotamia and remained unmolested. I thought I’d never say this, but I’m glad they were taken to the west, otherwise; without a shadow of a doubt they would’ve suffered the same fate as countless other treasures were and are sold and in “private” collections !
This can happen in Europe too. Do you know how many artifacts were lost during both World Wars due to the destruction caused by bombs? This kind of destruction can occur anywhere, challenging this naive perspective. Any artifact that was illegally or unfairly looted from its original country rightfully belongs to its native land. Any argument to the contrary is merely an excuse to retain what is not rightfully yours.
It belongs to Egypt how is this even a question?! 😭 The audacity of that women to say “we adhere to the legal situation”, from over 100 years ago when nothing Europeans did was fair??!! What about the MORAL situation??
What are you talking about? Did the Egyptians "cherrish" it for 1800 years and Europeans "stole" it from a "museum". No, it was in the ground where Egyptians did not care of it for 1800 years. So, the 50/50 arrangement in which Egypt invests NO MONEY into archaeological research and keep 50% of what is found is more than fair. Also, lets think about the "value" of artifacts. Most of them are valued by the Europeans. This is what gives them the value of 400 000 000 E. But without this event have happened, people in Egypt most likely would see this as "just another dusty bust" found in a graveyard, somewhere. Please consider that Egypt still has millions and millions of such artifacts. But it must be "that one!". The "one that the Europeans have". It is frustration and jealousy
@@mihaidumitrescu1325 let's say Afghanistan wants to mine untapped oil in Texas. The oil has been there for hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years. If Afghanistan deems it as important, they shall be entitled to it.
This story of art stolen by Europeans and demanded back by Egyptians, Greeks, Africans, Asians, etc... gave rise to a strange baby in South America. Some time ago, Paraguay began demanding the return of a cannon captured by Brazil during the war that took place in the 19th century. A cannon is not a work of art. Not to mention that it was designed, cast and used deliberately to kill Brazilians. I even believe that the cannon can be returned, but for that to happen, Paraguay has to cast an identical copy of it and deliver it to Brazil with an apology (because after all, the Paraguayans invaded my country before it retaliated).
I was born in the northeast of Mexico; for decades I understand myself as a mixed race man, half caucasian, half native american, a cultural hibrid, a "global citizen" as they say. I never wondered about my ethnic background, really, until recent years. Unfortunately, in the region I was born, my ancestor's culture was completely destroyed by the Spaniard conquerors and the Cathotic monks that came with them: NO artifacts of any kind remain, even the original dialect is forever lost. Strangely now, at my middle age, I wish I could have contact with something that would give me an insight about my collective past, something that helps me to reconstruct the narrative of who I am. Being alienated from your material culture is like trying to read a book -a collectively written diary- in which only half the words appear. That's why I consider it is so important to return the artifacts to the people that trully descent from those who created them. Every figurine, every text, every piece of ornament is a "word" that allow us to put together a tale of a human group's intimate experience of the world. I wish German younger generation can be sensible to this, and get involved in the fight to handover the Nefertiti to its only legitimate owners: the Egyptian people.
I need to point out two things. 1: the egyptian people are gone. Current day egyptians are Arabs living in the same place as ancient egypt was. 2:nefertiti wasn't "stolen" it was purchased by a german archeologist from egypt in the 1800s
Im Mexican too , as far as Im aware of , there are a lot of ancient prehispanic antiquities throughout. I hope there were more but the culture is not wiped out
@DiotimaMantinea-qm5yt roots in what way exactly ? -Culturally ? Current egyptian culture and society is in line with most other arabic countries not with those of ancient egypt. Ancient egyptian culture is long dead. The only vestiges of ancient culture can be found in certain rural parts like fayoum -religiously ? No ancient kemetic religion has been extinct for nearly 2000 years - Genetically ? Maybe sligthly but its actually a mix of a variety of different people that swept trough egypt troughout the centuries - then maybe there is some sort of political/statal continuity ? No because the pharaonite rule has long been dissolved and no remain of ancient administration remains. Current or even medieval arabic egypt hasnt got anything to do with the state of ancient egypt except the fact that they are on the same land. They are two completely different entities The only group of people you could technically argue has links to the ancient egyptians are the copts. And even them barely because they speak a language that stems from ancient egyptian and no other reason. They have no other connection Ancient egyptian civilization is extinct. Anyone claiming differently in egypt does so only due to national sentiment not due emphirical scientific reason
@@itachiofthesharingan67 and who tf are you to decide whether it should stay in Germany or to be returned as fir your stupid argument there's around 20 million Christians in Egypt and all of them want it back
@@itachiofthesharingan67 we share the same blood as ancient Egyptians. I'd rather speak the most complicated and difficult language in the world than hieroglyphics. So quit making excuses. You're speaking as if the west back then were Christians lol
@@sejuanni9702 Today, Egypt is a predominantly Muslim nation, and Muslims generally don't believe in idols, which means there is a high likelihood that they might destroy them. Therefore, it would be safer to keep such items in Germany. I remember when the largest Buddha statue in Afghanistan, the Buddha of Bamyan, was destroyed by those people
I was in Egypt 🇪🇬and got to talk to an actual Egyptian archeologists. And asked them this same question. They said that Nefertiti should remain in Germany under German care and protection. Their reasons were the following. 1. Germany has the resources and ability to properly conserve. 2. She’s an actual queen in Berlin. She would just blend into the other artifacts in the museum and lose its mystique. And this was my observation visiting that countries museum. They had no room temperature control and if they did have it. It was turn off or not working at all. King tuts golden mask was in a cheap knock off glass casing. Flimsy at best and could be breached if someone really wanted it. Also in museum anyone and people do this freely. They touch the artifacts like statues and chairs and even sit on them. Meanwhile in Berlin you have Nefertiti guarded by 4 security guards who look menacing to break you in half if you even think about taking a picture of her.
This is a real concern that should be considered also. Many of the stolen artefacts do not recieve the same kind of care or love in their home countries. For example the devastating fire in National Museum in Brazil in 2018 was suspected to have been caused by years of poor funding from the government who had more imperalist ambitions. The museum contained some of the last remnants of lost cultures and invaluable artefacts which have all been reduced to ashes. Meanwhile similar artefacts in European museums are in pritine conditions. There is also the matter of insurance, access the research funding etc. I dont think that these culturally and historically significant objects should remain in Europe forever. I think that the institutions should consider the artefacts as loans and pay the home countries.
Egyptian Museum is like a joke people can basically touch everything inside of it except for the King Tut artifacts which are preserved in a glass container. But I think the soon-to-be-open new Grand Egyptian Museum which has been under construction for many years will be much better, inshallah. But no matter what, what belongs to a country/people must be returned if it was a colonial status to steal it or pillage it in the first place.
"One of the questions that comes to mind is why are these sculptures [the Great Altar of Zeus and Athena at Pergamon] here in Berlin? And the answers can be found in the political ambitions of Prussia at the time. They very much wanted to be equal of the French and the British. And that mean, in part, to have great museums that express the civilizations of the past, so they could be, in a sense, the inheritors of the great classical tradition, which was so revered in the 19th century. Berlin, in some ways, wanted to be the new Rome." - Dr. Steven Zucker of Smarthistory
The video overlooks several critical legal issues surrounding the bust. It wasn’t simply covered in dust to obscure its beauty; rather, the item's export description and official report were grossly misrepresented. Egyptian law at the time didn’t just casually allow artifacts to be split 50/50; it explicitly prohibited the export of unique items. However, the bust was classified misleadingly as a common item, similar to those found at many other excavations, with no mention of its color, condition, or distinctive inlaid eye in the legal documents filed for export. This is akin to discovering a unique, unknown work by Leonardo da Vinci and labeling it on an export card as “an old portrait of a woman in oil paint on canvas,” while bribing customs to get it approved for export. Additionally, Egypt has consistently faced pressure not to request the bust’s return, given that Germany remains one of its main trading partners.
True ...4:50... it's not like today ...in my point of view all antiques that have been preserved in all around the world must have the proper address to the country of origin... sad to say colonisation of the world exist... complicated issues... now adays democracy is getting more rightfull... and accepted... why not make a resolutions/treaty that would preserved the relics ... in behalf of the two countries involved.. not having unwanted issues publicly.... in my point of view..... ❤❤❤❤ salute very balanced documentary....😇😇😇
@@mohamedhossam9360I will still be an English person but my values towards my previous religion will change after the conversion, they will no longer be the same as they were prior to the conversion
we should make a museum island that can float and travel arround the world with the art of humanity so we all can appreciate our history and it would belong to us all.
A 50/50 rule when you want to make no investments (or maybe you can't afford it!) is fair in my eyes. Many laws we find weird now were valid 1700, 1800... etc. Does now Europe need to "correct" all errors that are apparent now? Now Europe is industrialized. Africa is less. Does that mean in 200 years Africa will say: "wait wait. You were industrialized and you were in the position to charge for cars a huge premium. The value of a M or A or P is now 10 times less. We want 90% of the money back. With interest pls. And btw, you are bad people!" If we go back, why don't we make the Egiptians pay to the Iranians for all the damage that the Egyptians caused the Babylonians. I think it is so absurd to so many levels!
Egypt literally sold one of its own cities to the UAE, are governed by a violent dictatorship and have a bad track record of human rights abuses. Not to mention they are in a region which is known for demolishing ancient artworks becouse they are percieved as idolotrous or against the majority religion of Islam. We should rethink not weather Egypt and these countries should get these items back, but weather they are ready to preserve them and if the socioty and government around them can guarantee their safety
@@dariusalexandru9536 it's like: the phone your father made was stolen from him legally, so it's not yours, wtf you talking about? How could an Egyptian artifact get out of egypt legally?
"In 1933, after Adolf Hitler's rise to power, Egypt renewed the request yet again. Hermann Goering, who was the premier of Prussia along with being Hitler's leading military henchman, suggested to King Fouad of Egypt that Nefertiti might be sent back home. Hitler at firsta agreed to do so. But after he examined the statue, he adamantly refused. "Do you know what I'm going to do one day? I'm going to build a new Egyptian museum in Berlin," Hitler wrote to Egypt in rejecting the re quest. "I dream of it. Inside I will build a chamber, crowned by a large dome. In the middle, this wonder, Nefertiti, will be enthroned. I will. never relinquish the head of the Queen." - Loot: The Battle Over the Stolen Treasures of the Ancient World by Sharon Waxman
These Europeans and American museums are taking better care of these precious artifacts. They shouldn't give them back. Because our countries will sell them again or destroy them.
NO .. THE PARTHENON MARBLES WERE LOOTED BY Elgin.. a theif He DECECRATED AND DEFACED THE ACROPOLIS as,well as from the EREXHETHIO the KARIATITHA.. LOOTED . LOOTED LOOTED THEY DO NOT BELONG TO THE British. you were NON EXISTANT when GREEKS CREATED THESE ANTIQUITIES
@roberthancox That's ludicrous. The parthenon marbles have survived for centuries countless foreign invasions, the only people who believe that elgin "saved" them are british imperialists. Elgin didn't care about the cultural value of the marbles or the parthenon who he vandalized by removing them. For him they were just loot, he kept them for himself when he returned to england and sold them to the british museum only when he needed money to pay for his gambling debts.
@@kappani5734 Yes, the Partheon marbles are on the gray side. They were displayed and quite visible on a patrimony building. But Nefertiti was in the ground! The Egyptians did not care to search for it (they were not interested or did not have the funds to do archaeology!). If Nefertiti would have been displayed in a Museum or if it would have been displayed...somewhere, visible in a... temple, building, mosque, whatever, then yes, it would have been dodgy to take it. However, it was literally in the ground. As, most likely, millions still are! And the Egyptians for thousands of years did not dig it out of it. The Europeans did and not during a war, but under contracts and arrangements working on the day. BTW, let's not forget how the local people handled Nimrud, for example.
At the time of the deal to split the antiquities, Egypt didn’t exist as a sovereign state. Britain controlled the country. The deal was done with the British authorities and I think it has to stand. It’s like the Elgin Marbles. The Parthenon was regularly being damaged and the marbles were taken to safety in the UK. They probably would’ve been destroyed if they’d been left where they were. Greece was actually controlled by the Ottoman Empire at the time and had no right to decide what happened. Many antiquities were destroyed in the Middle East over the last few decades. Fortunately, some examples of antiquities from those places had been moved to museums abroad and are all that remain of many of those places. It’s impossible to rewind history and right all its wrongs.
We should have a broader view on such issues. If it was not for the deep fascination that erudite 19th century westerners started to cultivate for ancient Egypt and that prompted a.o. the discovery of the Rosetta Stone and the nascent deciphering of hieroglyphs, excavations and in situ discoveries would have remained uneventful. Colonialism is not the right choice of words when describing the utter fascination that other cultures develop for one’s people ancient past when this old past was completely neglected and de facto dismissed - not only due to religious and political pressure but also due to a general loss of interest that set in over the centuries.
A broader view would understand that Egyptians already had a deep fascination with ancient Egypt before westerners arrived. Their fascination doesn’t materialise like the Wests obsession with documenting, removing and looking at artefacts outside of their context. The West focused too much on the pyramids and afterlife of Egyptians missing the many temples due to their limited view in religion and fear of others culture.
@@himalayanmeditations4674 I am sorry, I can't understand the point you are trying to make. Could you please elaborate? Do the Egyptians like "leaving things" as they are? I.e. they would place the bust of Nefertiti in the save spot is was found? But, I might have misunderstood you!
The Middle East is so fragile, remember when ISIS destroyed historical cities? It’s safer to diversify than to put everything in one place, or you will get something like that disaster of a fire in the Brazil national museum which destroyed thousands of artefacts!
@@dariusalexandru9536 for sure as it is USA state in the region plus nato .. but it’s to bad the strongest military in the region can’t get his hostages for 8 months against hamas after killing 35000 women and children . By the way check global fire power 2024
'She' is a forgery. But regardless, a historic piece should stay in a safe, stable and economically strong country - Egypt is not that country, just scan the comments and you will see people from Egypt telling us the museums do not have temperate control or good security. Look at what happens to the relics in Syria. The Middle East is not stable and doesn't deserve these treasures.
all w people need to get out of land that doesn't belong to their ancestors....get out of south africa, australia, new zealand etc..😂😂😂..what about that ..😂😂
Today, Egypt is a predominantly Muslim nation, and Muslims generally don't believe in idols, which means there is a high likelihood that they might destroy them. Therefore, it would be safer to keep such items in Germany. I remember when the largest Buddha statue in Afghanistan, the Buddha of Bamyan, was destroyed by those people
The Muslim nation of Egypt will not destroy and Egyptian artifact. Bloody hell - nobody is telling Muslims that they have to idolize and pray to her bust. JFC maybe you should get to know a Muslim before you spread such ignorance.
The Statue was aquired by a german researcher and legally brought back to germany. The law that introduced the practice of splitting foundings was established before british colonialism when it was an extremly autonomus province of the ottoman empire. Also Nofretete is safer in germany and last thing: germans can learn about this ancient egyptian culture. The Nofretete is a big point for visiting the museum, people go there because of the nofretete and there they learn about this culture wich is by the way not practiced anymore. The Nofretete is german.
It doesn't belong to white people or Christians in the West either. You did not create them, and you do not have the same blood as ancient Egyptians, but we do. You have nothing to do with Pharaonic Egypt.
It belong to Germany it will be a little piece of Great Egypt in Europe It not fair for Egypt but any one who visited the bust will get curious and more about the history, culture and ppl of Egypt thus serving Egypt
@@joshuatheunkownuniverse.2475 So explain to me how we have the most number of artifacts at the biggest museum in the world in Egypt. and how the pyramids are still standing there for more than 7000 years. Stop consuming western news and stop making excuses, thieves.
She belongs in the Gem and sadly the western world always finds a way to capitalize on other peoples nations and heritage. Countless art from the degenerate period- was return to the families - when it’s regarding people of color laws with hindrances applies- Ethics aren’t relevant. How is Nefertiti a cultural icon of Germany - BS? She is only a monetary icon- she makes these colonizers rich. And it’s really sad you have to Go to France Germany and UK to experience these historic artifact. You don’t go to Yemen, Egypt, Argentina or Brazil to see the Mona Lisa or to the Statue to David.
Nefertiti belongs to the World. Her safety has always been a priority and because of such, she has not been destroyed or gone missing thanks to the hands of the German Ministry of Culture. We could learn so much about ourselves now, how we came to be, how Civilizations rise and fall and how we are globally interdependent. It’s important to ensure the safety of this treasure, as well as it’s nice to know that for many who cannot travel to Egypt, a piece of this knowledge is available for many people to enjoy, to wonder and to learn from.
10:46 Ok, if you think that Nefertiti should stay in Germany so that people who cannot afford to go to Egypt can have a taste of the Ancient Egyptian civilization ,then Germany should draw an agreement with the Egyptian Ministry of Culture to organize exhibitions of German pieces of art in Egypt in exchange for Germany keeping Nefertiti 's bust,so that the Egyptians who cannot afford to go to Germany can enjoy a contact with German culture and art. Ofc Germany cannot give Egypt a German artwork forever in exchange for the Nefertiti's bust, but at least the two countries could have a cultural agreement and a reciprocal exchange of art .
Of course it belongs to Egypt. Nefertiti she is Egyptian, the people who created the bust are Egyptian and was taken (stolen) from Egypt without PAYMENT. Using a law that govern only one side of the conflict. Bust itself screams 'I am Egyptian guys'.
She belongs in Egypt, people saying corruption or whatever, who cares, its egyptian, we can destroy if we want, its ours, not yours, we can do what we want with OUR heritage..
such a barbarian answer. It was legally brought to Germany, it was not stolen. History is complicated people must live with decisions of the past, even if they were mistakes considering today's standards; you cannot turn back time and do things differently. This is the situation and we must all deal with this reality.
As an Egyptian, I wish it remains in Germany. I trust the German Authorities more than the current Egyptian Museum Administration to take good care of this exquisite artifact.
Delusional, the Egyptian government will protect artifacts more than anything else in the country, even better than Germany, because Egypt relies heavily on tourism, and we have a new modern city as well as the world's largest museum.
Today's egypt has nothing to do in culture with ancient Egypt, only the name is the same. Just like Kaliningrad is not prussian at all - they at least changed their name to reflect that.
think ghe same. The general NPCs repeating “give back”, kind of haven't been to history classes. Ancient Egypt, Greece and Rome are the Trinity of western civilization, when did the arabs come in ?
The DNA test is the only thing that matters. Do you expect us to speak basic hieroglyphs and marry our sisters? if that's the case, go back to the jungle and give us all of the Romans and Greek artifacts, because the West today has nothing to do with ancient Greece or the Roman Empire.
The paperwork detailing the scientific discovery of the bust in 1912 is very shady...another bust found in the same "artists studio" was totally shattered.I wonder if she was taken from another location maybe a tomb and covered up?
Manly P hall wrote about this. Believe ahkenaten invented democracy and religion of monotheism. Even visited what is called America today. Ptah and Utah not too far.
It is utterly gorgeous. How deeply ironic its style matched the Deco Era. It is a treasure for all humankind. Egypt shows little appetite to deeply cherish and protect its ancient history. Yes, it should one day be restored to its place of origin. No, after a hundred years and thousands buried beneath the sands, there should be no rush. Yes, promote the principle of multiculturalism with this harmless, protected piece of art. Berlin honors its legacy with its fine keeping.
Maybe Because your western governments are constantly directly and indirectly organizing wars and unrest in the Middle East and elsewhere? Have you thought about it while you eat your processed fckng food?
I don't understand Egypt is one of the oldest countries in the world if not the oldest democracy culture art and then how could they be so naive to sell the heritage Way
@@samthesomniator for the record I had intended to visit but after all the chaos and turmoil is going on at part of the world unfortunately it's not going to happen in my lifetime and it sadness me to see all the needless suffering who are always the first victims the first victims children women elderly and the sick pray that you have a blessed week my friend.
As an Egyptian who actually went to the Neues museum, I find it offensive that this is actually a debate whether the bust should be returned or not. Bring her home.
It's interesting how the Egyptian archeologist thinks Nefertiti was a feminist :) That is a really uneducated statement from one woman. But she has a point that the younger generation are different, they have to learn more about the world :)
I feel Nefertiti is safe in Germany. There are lots of instances where all the valuable articarfts were destroyed in the name of Allah.I am not against anyone. I would prefer a safe place for the beautiful bust ❤
Considering the significance of the bust not only as image but also representation of remarkable Amana period in Egyptian history, I would love to see it returned and displayed in Cairo museum. From another side, recent non stop ‘people’ revolutions that placed director of the museum and leading Egyptologist In prison and released only after last revolution failed - it gives me doubts if the same fate will be shared by cultural treasures that belongs to different religions. The case of Palmira monuments completely destroyed or sold on the black market should be a warning sign for us to take into consideration.
It was geniuses of European scholars that helped us understand the rich history nd significance of such objects..... Egypt had many such objects buried in sand for thousand of years.....after the arrival of curious European scholars who studied ancient Egypt and helped uncover the mystery of past.....why should we even return them.... Egypt had enough artifacts of own,same applies to other countries
No. There were one journalist and one conspiracy theory author claiming it was a fake. Without evidence of course. Its authenticity has been proven in numerous ways though, including ct scans and chemical analysis.
Germany and Britain and France never give us anything for free, why we still let them has our historical incredibles pieces we just give German almost 40 billion dollars to build for us monorail trains and huge infrastructure projects as electrical station and other projects 😏😏😒
I am Egyptian and I demand the German government never return the statue. Germany is stable and developed country that keep this piece of art in peace and we have many many statues in Egypt but we don't preserve them as it should be.
13.46 if i may dear achielogist why not correct eve's mistake in the garden of eden... in the 21st century... get the point... as a viewer... i respect you but in return ... you know exactly what to do...😊😊😊😊
The bust of Queen Nefertiti, the most serious errors in Egyptology; This trace was found in the area of Tell al-Amara near the city of Minya in Egypt, and the lineage of Queen Nefertiti based on an ancient Egyptian inscription dating back to King Akhenaten of the eighteenth dynasty in Egypt in the fourteenth century BC, due to the similarity of the crown of the Egyptian queen with the headdress of the lady in the Egyptian statue. This ratio was supported by the examination of the life of the radiocarbon hemisphere through an organic adhesive in the eye of the statue. Scientifically, the hypothesis that this statue belongs to Nefertiti remains weak, for the following reasons: 1. It has been common to use Arabic glue and adhesive material from animal origins in ancient Egyptian mummies and coffins, as has been common in the late ages, including the heroic era, to re-use old materials in subsequent works. The use of such adhesive materials is not excluded again. 2. The assumption that the bust was an ancient Egyptian family of 18 is very weak, because it did not prove that the ancient Egyptians knew the bust, because they considered the statues to be the bearers of the souls of their companions, and they believed that they should be perfect, and that is why many statues were smashed in the noses, as some sort of revenge from their enemies, to deprive their lives of survival. 3. The hypothesis that the sculptor used this bust as a model of his works is weak, because this was not a method used by Egyptian artists, and we did not find similar models in other sculptors ' laboratories. 4. The assumption that the hood of the statue is the Egyptian war crown is weak, it is not like him, and he did not know about the casket that it was surrounded by a belt, as in the bust of Nveretti. In front of the hood of the head with a two - circle complex, the flag (the crown snake) was unusual in ancient Egyptian art. 6. This Egyptian statue was found in the area of Tel Al Ammarneh near the city of Mina, and Tel Al Ammarneh is on the outskirts of the city of Hermopolis from the heroic cities of the Hellenist era, now known as the Ashmunites, an ancient Egyptian civilization, and the overlap and accumulation of the city of Shatton and Hermopolis, from two historic periods of nearly a thousand years apart, at the same location observed and confusing for Egyptian scholars. If these above points weaken the premise that this bust belongs to Queen Nefertiti, there are other indications of his heroic origin, and his return to Queen Cleopatra I, alias Kleopatra Suri, 1. The fact that this bust is a bust indicates that it dates back to the heroic era on the earliest date. 2. The head covering in this statue was one of the ancient traditions of the Phoenician, which was partially adopted by the Selustic Hlaustic State, which ruled the Levant, since Commander Sologus of the Macedonian Alexander, a cover worn by the Phoenician men. The fact that a woman wearing a hood in this statue was a sign that she was a queen of Syrian origin who ruled Egypt, and she was portrayed in this way in Egyptian tradition, which portrayed the queen as a masculine fashion symbol of power and power. There are pictures on other spicy knuckles, depicting this original slug queen with a head cover of phoenix costumes. 4. After the murder of her husband, Ptolemus V, south of Elsham and Egypt, Kliopatra, ruled Syria, which explains the two circles in his contract in the front of her head, which appears to have been a form of royal crown. 5. There are royal monuments belonging to the age of Queen Cleopatra Serra (Syrian), conceived in the same form and pattern as this bust. Finally, we often lived as the bust of Queen Nefferetti for more than a century, while the first statue of Greek Macedonians, the ruler of Egypt and the south of the Levant, was in Egypt's heroic era of rule.
Im surprised it’s not in the British Museum.
It belongs to the British Museum.
@@amenhotepv2844 it belongs to Egypt
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@@ShimmeringIceCrystal626 exactly!
The situation is simple and similar for all the museums around the world ... not returning these artefacts has nothing to do that they are better preserved in the museums or even for the sake of science and knowledge... it's just returning these artefacts meant the museums will no longer have a revenues from these artefacts ... it's all about money
Yup 👍🏾
Remember Nimrod 2015 too. It goes both ways.
" nothing to do that they are better preserved " Nothing? So you're going to ignore all the artifacts and archeological sites that were destroyed in the past 10 years by militants and war? conflict is not good for the preservation of artefacts, and Europe is continues to be the safest continent in the past few generations.
@serebii666 ohhhh that's your reason .... isn't it about money ... let say the stone of rosette... napoleon troopers looted it in Egypt... some guy succeeded to understand ( kind of God knows if he was correct) the hydrographic... then what the purpose to keep it still in the louvre ....
Oooohhhhh moneeeeyyyyyy people will pay ticket just to see it ......
Same in all museums....
These artefacts lasted hundreds or millions times facing war but they were still here .... so stop your useless arguments...
Museums refuse to return the artefacts cause they will loose money ...
Who will pay for a ticket to see a museum which is empty....
@@serebii666 Europe? Safest?
@11:40 - @11:54 Considering that Hitler was obsessed with the bust of Nefertiti and the Nazis viewed her connection with the sun god to represent their political outlook, it makes sense that Germany sees the bust as representing them and their "cultural identity". They haven't strayed that far from Hitler and the Nazis, they've only claimed that they have changed.
I am Egyptian i lived in an area infected by landmines laied by Germans and British in north west of Egypt since WWII , some of my family members lost their lives and got injured from these landmines , i was lucky enough i have stepped on few never exploded....not schocked now seeing these people justifying stealing the bust ... please send you army and technology to remove the evil landmines from our desert apologizes for your long crimes.
comes from a land that tries to invide isreal several times -
Today, Egypt is a predominantly Muslim nation, and Muslims generally don't believe in idols, which means there is a high likelihood that they might destroy them. Therefore, it would be safer to keep such items in Germany.
I remember when the largest Buddha statue in Afghanistan, the Buddha of Bamyan, was destroyed
That must be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard all my life. Egypt alone has held and protected over 1/3 of all known artifacts on earth and has done so through 1600 years of Islamic rule. As an atheist who sees the sheer madness in what you’re saying, please read a book.
Muslims don’t believe in worshipping idols** that’s the stupid point you almost made, they also believe in preserving history and have done so for thousands of years till y’all showed raining bombs on their homes in the name of freedom and democracy (oil).
The Egyptians complain about the Bust of Nefertiti, we Iraqis were robbed of the entire Ishtar GATE of Babylon by the Germans.
@@ziadkhalaf198 You know that the absolute majority of the gate is a “rebuilt”, so the bricks were manufactured around in Berlin, just some reliefs are real. The fake gate is also kind of fantasized and not as true as most believe it, because nobody reads the signs anymore xd
So the absolute minority of gate is real, 20% real materials has the museum, but they didn’t rebuild the whole complex, which is still in Iraq, so the actual percentage of what is missing is much lower!
And the 20% are from all three gates, not just the last one, which was rebuilt. So the percentage of each of the three gates in the museum is actually quite low. So it’s probably like 10% of the third gate, 7% of the second and 3% of the first one. So the rest is still there and probably in the “dirt” of the archeologist, that didn’t recognized much at the time.
The Ishtar gate would only be grabbles in Iraque.
@@kapuzinergruft agreed.
Yeah the bad Germans did that .... how many stole things from Germany and never has returned. You can not blame one country for this activity. Egypt own people robed their pharaos grave to make a better life. It was not only the colonies.
@@kapuzinergruft THAT IS THE THING!
They have millions and millions of artifacts that they do not care about!
Then one of them comes to Europe.
It becomes a huge success (while in Europe). THEN they start caring and saying... ah yes. True. It is very important.
Like.. duuh!
The "market value" of an object is the value that OTHERS see in an object.
I’m American of Mesopotamian descent. I’m so so glad that many of Mesopotamia’s (Iraq since 1922) archaeological treasures are in Germany (and other European nations). In 2003 (the fall of Saddam) there were out of control mobs who stormed the Iraq museum in Baghdad and stole anything and everything to include the “epic of Gilgamesh” which was eventually returned.
Some 30 yrs ago I visited the Louvre in Paris and took pics next to “code of Hammurabi” the winged Tauruses amongst others which made me infuriated at the time as they looked so disgustingly out of place and should be returned.
I no longer feel that way especially after isis (2014-2016) destroyed priceless statues and artefacts thousands of yrs old bcz it didn’t conform w. Islam. The aforementioned were there before and during Islamization of Mesopotamia and remained unmolested.
I thought I’d never say this, but I’m glad they were taken to the west, otherwise; without a shadow of a doubt they would’ve suffered the same fate as countless other treasures were and are sold and in “private” collections !
It's Iraq.. get on with the times.
You don’t represent shiat
Iraq is not Egypt and not all muslims are the same.
This can happen in Europe too. Do you know how many artifacts were lost during both World Wars due to the destruction caused by bombs? This kind of destruction can occur anywhere, challenging this naive perspective. Any artifact that was illegally or unfairly looted from its original country rightfully belongs to its native land. Any argument to the contrary is merely an excuse to retain what is not rightfully yours.
@@chrysocolapteserythrocepha5915
No such insinuations were made !
Never realised it was so financially valuable.
It belongs to Egypt how is this even a question?! 😭 The audacity of that women to say “we adhere to the legal situation”, from over 100 years ago when nothing Europeans did was fair??!! What about the MORAL situation??
What are you talking about?
Did the Egyptians "cherrish" it for 1800 years and Europeans "stole" it from a "museum".
No, it was in the ground where Egyptians did not care of it for 1800 years.
So, the 50/50 arrangement in which Egypt invests NO MONEY into archaeological research and keep 50% of what is found is more than fair.
Also, lets think about the "value" of artifacts. Most of them are valued by the Europeans. This is what gives them the value of 400 000 000 E.
But without this event have happened, people in Egypt most likely would see this as "just another dusty bust" found in a graveyard, somewhere.
Please consider that Egypt still has millions and millions of such artifacts.
But it must be "that one!". The "one that the Europeans have".
It is frustration and jealousy
Egyptians? You mean Arab invaders@@mihaidumitrescu1325
You jihadists love to talk about morals online while living in the west
@@mihaidumitrescu1325 let's say Afghanistan wants to mine untapped oil in Texas. The oil has been there for hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years. If Afghanistan deems it as important, they shall be entitled to it.
@@jackniaz7133 If the local administration approves, why not?
The Egyptians were not against the archaeological explorations, or am I mistaken?
This story of art stolen by Europeans and demanded back by Egyptians, Greeks, Africans, Asians, etc... gave rise to a strange baby in South America. Some time ago, Paraguay began demanding the return of a cannon captured by Brazil during the war that took place in the 19th century. A cannon is not a work of art. Not to mention that it was designed, cast and used deliberately to kill Brazilians. I even believe that the cannon can be returned, but for that to happen, Paraguay has to cast an identical copy of it and deliver it to Brazil with an apology (because after all, the Paraguayans invaded my country before it retaliated).
Your country 😅
Greeks are Europeans
lol Greeks are like the o.g. Europeans, half of our mythos is theirs 🤣🤣
Hard to relate this to Europe's stolen cultural pieces...
@@Getsumei8Britain is NOT EUROPEANS . JUST LOOTERS
I was born in the northeast of Mexico; for decades I understand myself as a mixed race man, half caucasian, half native american, a cultural hibrid, a "global citizen" as they say. I never wondered about my ethnic background, really, until recent years. Unfortunately, in the region I was born, my ancestor's culture was completely destroyed by the Spaniard conquerors and the Cathotic monks that came with them: NO artifacts of any kind remain, even the original dialect is forever lost. Strangely now, at my middle age, I wish I could have contact with something that would give me an insight about my collective past, something that helps me to reconstruct the narrative of who I am. Being alienated from your material culture is like trying to read a book -a collectively written diary- in which only half the words appear. That's why I consider it is so important to return the artifacts to the people that trully descent from those who created them. Every figurine, every text, every piece of ornament is a "word" that allow us to put together a tale of a human group's intimate experience of the world. I wish German younger generation can be sensible to this, and get involved in the fight to handover the Nefertiti to its only legitimate owners: the Egyptian people.
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Thank you for sharing your personal story and thoughts on the matter with us! Very interesting insights!
I need to point out two things.
1: the egyptian people are gone. Current day egyptians are Arabs living in the same place as ancient egypt was.
2:nefertiti wasn't "stolen" it was purchased by a german archeologist from egypt in the 1800s
Im Mexican too , as far as Im aware of , there are a lot of ancient prehispanic antiquities throughout. I hope there were more but the culture is not wiped out
@DiotimaMantinea-qm5yt roots in what way exactly ?
-Culturally ? Current egyptian culture and society is in line with most other arabic countries not with those of ancient egypt. Ancient egyptian culture is long dead. The only vestiges of ancient culture can be found in certain rural parts like fayoum
-religiously ? No ancient kemetic religion has been extinct for nearly 2000 years
- Genetically ? Maybe sligthly but its actually a mix of a variety of different people that swept trough egypt troughout the centuries
- then maybe there is some sort of political/statal continuity ? No because the pharaonite rule has long been dissolved and no remain of ancient administration remains. Current or even medieval arabic egypt hasnt got anything to do with the state of ancient egypt except the fact that they are on the same land. They are two completely different entities
The only group of people you could technically argue has links to the ancient egyptians are the copts. And even them barely because they speak a language that stems from ancient egyptian and no other reason. They have no other connection
Ancient egyptian civilization is extinct. Anyone claiming differently in egypt does so only due to national sentiment not due emphirical scientific reason
She still belongs to Egypt. It is their culture.
And Germany belongs to the Germans. But it’s full of migrants. The world is unfair and shit. Accept it.
It doesn’t belong to the people of today.Todays Egypt is a Muslim nation, but ancient Egypt was not.
@@itachiofthesharingan67 and who tf are you to decide whether it should stay in Germany or to be returned as fir your stupid argument there's around 20 million Christians in Egypt and all of them want it back
@@itachiofthesharingan67 we share the same blood as ancient Egyptians. I'd rather speak the most complicated and difficult language in the world than hieroglyphics. So quit making excuses. You're speaking as if the west back then were Christians lol
@@sejuanni9702 Today, Egypt is a predominantly Muslim nation, and Muslims generally don't believe in idols, which means there is a high likelihood that they might destroy them. Therefore, it would be safer to keep such items in Germany.
I remember when the largest Buddha statue in Afghanistan, the Buddha of Bamyan, was destroyed by those people
I was in Egypt 🇪🇬and got to talk to an actual Egyptian archeologists. And asked them this same question. They said that Nefertiti should remain in Germany under German care and protection. Their reasons were the following. 1. Germany has the resources and ability to properly conserve. 2. She’s an actual queen in Berlin. She would just blend into the other artifacts in the museum and lose its mystique. And this was my observation visiting that countries museum. They had no room temperature control and if they did have it. It was turn off or not working at all. King tuts golden mask was in a cheap knock off glass casing. Flimsy at best and could be breached if someone really wanted it. Also in museum anyone and people do this freely. They touch the artifacts like statues and chairs and even sit on them. Meanwhile in Berlin you have Nefertiti guarded by 4 security guards who look menacing to break you in half if you even think about taking a picture of her.
now they have the GEM!
😂😂😂 Fairy tales
Monica hana is true Egyptian and we tell you nope
This is a real concern that should be considered also. Many of the stolen artefacts do not recieve the same kind of care or love in their home countries. For example the devastating fire in National Museum in Brazil in 2018 was suspected to have been caused by years of poor funding from the government who had more imperalist ambitions. The museum contained some of the last remnants of lost cultures and invaluable artefacts which have all been reduced to ashes. Meanwhile similar artefacts in European museums are in pritine conditions. There is also the matter of insurance, access the research funding etc. I dont think that these culturally and historically significant objects should remain in Europe forever. I think that the institutions should consider the artefacts as loans and pay the home countries.
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Egyptian Museum is like a joke people can basically touch everything inside of it except for the King Tut artifacts which are preserved in a glass container. But I think the soon-to-be-open new Grand Egyptian Museum which has been under construction for many years will be much better, inshallah. But no matter what, what belongs to a country/people must be returned if it was a colonial status to steal it or pillage it in the first place.
"One of the questions that comes to mind is why are these sculptures [the Great Altar of Zeus and Athena at Pergamon] here in Berlin? And the answers can be found in the political ambitions of Prussia at the time. They very much wanted to be equal of the French and the British. And that mean, in part, to have great museums that express the civilizations of the past, so they could be, in a sense, the inheritors of the great classical tradition, which was so revered in the 19th century. Berlin, in some ways, wanted to be the new Rome."
- Dr. Steven Zucker of Smarthistory
The new Athens rather - see i.a. the statues on Schlossbrücke. 😉
The video overlooks several critical legal issues surrounding the bust. It wasn’t simply covered in dust to obscure its beauty; rather, the item's export description and official report were grossly misrepresented. Egyptian law at the time didn’t just casually allow artifacts to be split 50/50; it explicitly prohibited the export of unique items. However, the bust was classified misleadingly as a common item, similar to those found at many other excavations, with no mention of its color, condition, or distinctive inlaid eye in the legal documents filed for export. This is akin to discovering a unique, unknown work by Leonardo da Vinci and labeling it on an export card as “an old portrait of a woman in oil paint on canvas,” while bribing customs to get it approved for export.
Additionally, Egypt has consistently faced pressure not to request the bust’s return, given that Germany remains one of its main trading partners.
Zahi Hawass - "Germany can keep it if they send me 400 Mil dollars"
True ...4:50... it's not like today ...in my point of view all antiques that have been preserved in all around the world must have the proper address to the country of origin... sad to say colonisation of the world exist... complicated issues... now adays democracy is getting more rightfull... and accepted... why not make a resolutions/treaty that would preserved the relics ... in behalf of the two countries involved.. not having unwanted issues publicly.... in my point of view..... ❤❤❤❤ salute very balanced documentary....😇😇😇
Belong to Egypt for sure no question about it
It doesn’t belong to the people of today.Todays Egypt is a Muslim nation, but ancient Egypt was not.
@@itachiofthesharingan67so let's say you are an English person if you converted to islam then you ain't English?
@@mohamedhossam9360I will still be an English person but my values towards my previous religion will change after the conversion, they will no longer be the same as they were prior to the conversion
we should make a museum island that can float and travel arround the world with the art of humanity so we all can appreciate our history and it would belong to us all.
lol.
The New Museum in Berlin is on "Museum Island"! This is how the region is literally called. Museumsinsel!
A 50/50 rule when you want to make no investments (or maybe you can't afford it!) is fair in my eyes.
Many laws we find weird now were valid 1700, 1800... etc. Does now Europe need to "correct" all errors that are apparent now?
Now Europe is industrialized. Africa is less.
Does that mean in 200 years Africa will say: "wait wait. You were industrialized and you were in the position to charge for cars a huge premium. The value of a M or A or P is now 10 times less.
We want 90% of the money back. With interest pls. And btw, you are bad people!"
If we go back, why don't we make the Egiptians pay to the Iranians for all the damage that the Egyptians caused the Babylonians.
I think it is so absurd to so many levels!
Egypt literally sold one of its own cities to the UAE, are governed by a violent dictatorship and have a bad track record of human rights abuses. Not to mention they are in a region which is known for demolishing ancient artworks becouse they are percieved as idolotrous or against the majority religion of Islam. We should rethink not weather Egypt and these countries should get these items back, but weather they are ready to preserve them and if the socioty and government around them can guarantee their safety
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And if they want to destroy it? It's thier things and they are free to do whatever they want
@@Nesut-king is not theirs because it was legally brought to Germany
@@dariusalexandru9536 it's like: the phone your father made was stolen from him legally, so it's not yours, wtf you talking about? How could an Egyptian artifact get out of egypt legally?
@@Nesut-kingIt's wrong to destroy things of a culture and something so important that is part of Egypt's history.
"In 1933, after Adolf Hitler's rise to power, Egypt renewed the request yet again. Hermann Goering, who was the premier of Prussia along with being Hitler's leading military henchman, suggested to King Fouad of Egypt that Nefertiti might be sent back home. Hitler at firsta agreed to do so. But after he examined the statue, he adamantly refused. "Do you know what I'm going to do one day? I'm going to build a new Egyptian museum in Berlin," Hitler wrote to Egypt in rejecting the re quest. "I dream of it. Inside I will build a chamber, crowned by a large dome. In the middle, this wonder, Nefertiti, will be enthroned. I will. never relinquish the head of the Queen."
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Loot: The Battle Over the Stolen Treasures of the Ancient World by Sharon Waxman
These Europeans and American museums are taking better care of these precious artifacts. They shouldn't give them back. Because our countries will sell them again or destroy them.
Same applies to the Elgin Marbles.If they had not been taken to UK and protected by the British Museum it is unlikely they would exist today.
NO .. THE PARTHENON MARBLES WERE LOOTED BY Elgin.. a theif
He DECECRATED AND DEFACED THE ACROPOLIS as,well as from the EREXHETHIO the KARIATITHA..
LOOTED . LOOTED LOOTED
THEY DO NOT BELONG TO THE British. you were NON EXISTANT when GREEKS CREATED THESE ANTIQUITIES
Yeah or mummies eaten by the british
@roberthancox That's ludicrous. The parthenon marbles have survived for centuries countless foreign invasions, the only people who believe that elgin "saved" them are british imperialists. Elgin didn't care about the cultural value of the marbles or the parthenon who he vandalized by removing them. For him they were just loot, he kept them for himself when he returned to england and sold them to the british museum only when he needed money to pay for his gambling debts.
Like the mummies that the british ate?
@@kappani5734 Yes, the Partheon marbles are on the gray side. They were displayed and quite visible on a patrimony building.
But Nefertiti was in the ground!
The Egyptians did not care to search for it (they were not interested or did not have the funds to do archaeology!).
If Nefertiti would have been displayed in a Museum or if it would have been displayed...somewhere, visible in a... temple, building, mosque, whatever, then yes, it would have been dodgy to take it.
However, it was literally in the ground. As, most likely, millions still are! And the Egyptians for thousands of years did not dig it out of it. The Europeans did and not during a war, but under contracts and arrangements working on the day.
BTW, let's not forget how the local people handled Nimrud, for example.
At the time of the deal to split the antiquities, Egypt didn’t exist as a sovereign state. Britain controlled the country. The deal was done with the British authorities and I think it has to stand.
It’s like the Elgin Marbles. The Parthenon was regularly being damaged and the marbles were taken to safety in the UK. They probably would’ve been destroyed if they’d been left where they were. Greece was actually controlled by the Ottoman Empire at the time and had no right to decide what happened.
Many antiquities were destroyed in the Middle East over the last few decades. Fortunately, some examples of antiquities from those places had been moved to museums abroad and are all that remain of many of those places.
It’s impossible to rewind history and right all its wrongs.
We should have a broader view on such issues. If it was not for the deep fascination that erudite 19th century westerners started to cultivate for ancient Egypt and that prompted a.o. the discovery of the Rosetta Stone and the nascent deciphering of hieroglyphs, excavations and in situ discoveries would have remained uneventful.
Colonialism is not the right choice of words when describing the utter fascination that other cultures develop for one’s people ancient past when this old past was completely neglected and de facto dismissed - not only due to religious and political pressure but also due to a general loss of interest that set in over the centuries.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
A broader view would understand that Egyptians already had a deep fascination with ancient Egypt before westerners arrived. Their fascination doesn’t materialise like the Wests obsession with documenting, removing and looking at artefacts outside of their context. The West focused too much on the pyramids and afterlife of Egyptians missing the many temples due to their limited view in religion and fear of others culture.
@@himalayanmeditations4674 Himalaya, hmmm, yes mister or madam the Egyptologist
very well put!
The Egyptians did have all those artifacts for more than 2000 years. Yet, they let the in the dirt, in the ground!
@@himalayanmeditations4674 I am sorry, I can't understand the point you are trying to make.
Could you please elaborate?
Do the Egyptians like "leaving things" as they are? I.e. they would place the bust of Nefertiti in the save spot is was found? But, I might have misunderstood you!
“The wheels of justice turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine” ...soon the Queen will return home to Egypt where she belongs among her people....
An increasing number of scientists seem to think this bust of Nefertiti had questionable authenticity.
The Middle East is so fragile, remember when ISIS destroyed historical cities? It’s safer to diversify than to put everything in one place, or you will get something like that disaster of a fire in the Brazil national museum which destroyed thousands of artefacts!
Egypt got the strongest military in the region and the most advanced museum and largest (GEM) why it not return?
Remember when the USA destroyed Iraq because of a lie? Stole the Iraqi museum? Without West there would be no Isis!
Isis is controlled by Europe and USA and Israel so....
@@EGYPOWER1 You mean Israel has the stronger military in the region
@@dariusalexandru9536 for sure as it is USA state in the region plus nato .. but it’s to bad the strongest military in the region can’t get his hostages for 8 months against hamas after killing 35000 women and children . By the way check global fire power 2024
Should be in Egypt, period.
*Then come and take it.*
She must return to the new museum of Egypt.. the GEM.
'She' is a forgery. But regardless, a historic piece should stay in a safe, stable and economically strong country - Egypt is not that country, just scan the comments and you will see people from Egypt telling us the museums do not have temperate control or good security. Look at what happens to the relics in Syria. The Middle East is not stable and doesn't deserve these treasures.
Is the statue real or fake? It should be authenticated before any turnover.
The statue was made in the 30s. It's a fake
@@rudynathan8852 Made in the 30s? Its discovery in 1912 is well documented and it had been on display in museums since 1924. lol
Turkey should return Constantinople to the the Greeks or Europe first.
yeah and egypt is not turkey
and i dont know how are you comparing a city to a statue
Yes please.
@@davanshamzeen502the city was the heart of a splendid civilization known as late roman empire, just it.
Also good.
all w people need to get out of land that doesn't belong to their ancestors....get out of south africa, australia, new zealand etc..😂😂😂..what about that ..😂😂
However we are talking about Germany, where many art treasures from the Second World War are still hidden
Today, Egypt is a predominantly Muslim nation, and Muslims generally don't believe in idols, which means there is a high likelihood that they might destroy them. Therefore, it would be safer to keep such items in Germany.
I remember when the largest Buddha statue in Afghanistan, the Buddha of Bamyan, was destroyed by those people
The Muslim nation of Egypt will not destroy and Egyptian artifact. Bloody hell - nobody is telling Muslims that they have to idolize and pray to her bust. JFC maybe you should get to know a Muslim before you spread such ignorance.
Yet Egypt has long had it's begging bowl out to Germany for billions and billions of Euros. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
The Statue was aquired by a german researcher and legally brought back to germany. The law that introduced the practice of splitting foundings was established before british colonialism when it was an extremly autonomus province of the ottoman empire. Also Nofretete is safer in germany and last thing: germans can learn about this ancient egyptian culture. The Nofretete is a big point for visiting the museum, people go there because of the nofretete and there they learn about this culture wich is by the way not
practiced anymore. The Nofretete is german.
Nothing from Pharaonic Egypt belongs to Islamic Egypt. All of Pharaonic Egypt belongs to all of the world.
@@Geoffzilla 💀
It doesn't belong to white people or Christians in the West either. You did not create them, and you do not have the same blood as ancient Egyptians, but we do. You have nothing to do with Pharaonic Egypt.
@@sejuanni9702most Europeans are descended from Cleopatra through Charlemagne
@@habibikebabtheiii2037 in your dreams.
No you can Google his family tree.
It belong to Germany it will be a little piece of Great Egypt in Europe
It not fair for Egypt but any one who visited the bust will get curious and more about the history, culture and ppl of Egypt thus serving Egypt
Colonial perpetuation be like.
No reason for Germany keep Egypt heritage when they don’t like anything that doesn’t relate to their culture
It belongs to Egypt. And it should be noted Egypt has been very generous sharing these artifacts internationally through museum tours.
Nope they stole it
Y'all muslim destroy these statuses like Taliban and Isis and defend their actions... So should you be entrusted with these historical artifacts?
@@joshuatheunkownuniverse.2475 So explain to me how we have the most number of artifacts at the biggest museum in the world in Egypt. and how the pyramids are still standing there for more than 7000 years. Stop consuming western news and stop making excuses, thieves.
She belongs in the Gem and sadly the western world always finds a way to capitalize on other peoples nations and heritage. Countless art from the degenerate period- was return to the families - when it’s regarding people of color laws with hindrances applies-
Ethics aren’t relevant.
How is Nefertiti a cultural icon of Germany - BS? She is only a monetary icon- she makes these colonizers rich.
And it’s really sad you have to
Go to France Germany and UK to experience these historic artifact.
You don’t go to Yemen, Egypt, Argentina or Brazil to see the Mona Lisa or to the Statue to David.
Nefertiti belongs to the World. Her safety has always been a priority and because of such, she has not been destroyed or gone missing thanks to the hands of the German Ministry of Culture. We could learn so much about ourselves now, how we came to be, how Civilizations rise and fall and how we are globally interdependent. It’s important to ensure the safety of this treasure, as well as it’s nice to know that for many who cannot travel to Egypt, a piece of this knowledge is available for many people to enjoy, to wonder and to learn from.
She belongs to Egypt
Not yours to begin with.
Lol because Germans are not human beings like others? You better return our stuff
10:46 Ok, if you think that Nefertiti should stay in Germany so that people who cannot afford to go to Egypt can have a taste of the Ancient Egyptian civilization ,then Germany should draw an agreement with the Egyptian Ministry of Culture to organize exhibitions of German pieces of art in Egypt in exchange for Germany keeping Nefertiti 's bust,so that the Egyptians who cannot afford to go to Germany can enjoy a contact with German culture and art. Ofc Germany cannot give Egypt a German artwork forever in exchange for the Nefertiti's bust, but at least the two countries could have a cultural agreement and a reciprocal exchange of art .
@@Daughterofminerva It's stolen, give it back, simple. We're not going to be negotiating on what rightfully belongs tio us
If Nefertiti goes back to Egypt then all the artifacts from all museums should go back to their country of origin .
Who do you think Nefirtiti belong toGermany or Egypt!!!! Was that a question!!!!
It belongs to Egypt.
The head of worldwide pirate organisation is British
Of course it belongs to Egypt. Nefertiti she is Egyptian, the people who created the bust are Egyptian and was taken (stolen) from Egypt without PAYMENT. Using a law that govern only one side of the conflict. Bust itself screams 'I am Egyptian guys'.
Germany, return the bust of Nefertiti to Egypt immediately. This is not a matter open to debate.
No point in even arguing about where it belongs until the egypt museum is finished.
Ironically I think the young Egyptian archeologist would look strikingly similar to Nefertiti sans hair and glasses
She belongs in Egypt, people saying corruption or whatever, who cares, its egyptian, we can destroy if we want, its ours, not yours, we can do what we want with OUR heritage..
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
such a barbarian answer. It was legally brought to Germany, it was not stolen. History is complicated people must live with decisions of the past, even if they were mistakes considering today's standards; you cannot turn back time and do things differently. This is the situation and we must all deal with this reality.
@@samsungqled1167she has been stolen from Egypt not just bring it lol look at you n@ zi destroyed alot of things
Selfishness. It doesn’t belong to you. It’s belongs to humanity, as our collective heritage. Shame on you!
The Taliban set the standard with the destruction of the bamiyan buddhist statues.
As an Egyptian, I wish it remains in Germany. I trust the German Authorities more than the current Egyptian Museum Administration to take good care of this exquisite artifact.
Thank you!
Delusional, the Egyptian government will protect artifacts more than anything else in the country, even better than Germany, because Egypt relies heavily on tourism, and we have a new modern city as well as the world's largest museum.
Of course you are and you do! Whatever!!
Today's egypt has nothing to do in culture with ancient Egypt, only the name is the same. Just like Kaliningrad is not prussian at all - they at least changed their name to reflect that.
think ghe same. The general NPCs repeating “give back”, kind of haven't been to history classes. Ancient Egypt, Greece and Rome are the Trinity of western civilization, when did the arabs come in ?
The DNA test is the only thing that matters. Do you expect us to speak basic hieroglyphs and marry our sisters? if that's the case, go back to the jungle and give us all of the Romans and Greek artifacts, because the West today has nothing to do with ancient Greece or the Roman Empire.
The paperwork detailing the scientific discovery of the bust in 1912 is very shady...another bust found in the same "artists studio" was totally shattered.I wonder if she was taken from another location maybe a tomb and covered up?
Didn't Egypt try to erase Nefertiti from history
Are you an idiot? That was in the pharaonic age
Museum in Germany have better temperature control technology , so she won't get overheat or way too cold
the grand egyptian museum is the biggest and most technologically advanced museum in the world
what are you yapping about ?
It belongs in the Gem
Don’t be fooled by western ideology - that’s everything western is best. It’s their artifact get over yourselves.
Because Egyptians today are not ancient Egyptians from 3000 years ago. Simple as that.
because Romano-Greek from Europe first destroyed their culture
Manly P hall wrote about this. Believe ahkenaten invented democracy and religion of monotheism. Even visited what is called America today. Ptah and Utah not too far.
It is utterly gorgeous. How deeply ironic its style matched the Deco Era. It is a treasure for all humankind. Egypt shows little appetite to deeply cherish and protect its ancient history. Yes, it should one day be restored to its place of origin. No, after a hundred years and thousands buried beneath the sands, there should be no rush. Yes, promote the principle of multiculturalism with this harmless, protected piece of art. Berlin honors its legacy with its fine keeping.
Because it was one of Art Decos inspirations. 😅 That is not a coincidence.
Each one tells theiir tru. The statue should go to Egypt the place where it was found.
Simply: because she is safer in Germany than in Egypt.
Maybe Because your western governments are constantly directly and indirectly organizing wars and unrest in the Middle East and elsewhere? Have you thought about it while you eat your processed fckng food?
Same for undocumented migrants, they are safer in Germany too
Simply because you are a simpleton.
Nope she is Egyptian
Morally weak position. You don't get to keep stolen items because you can keep them safe.
Surely to America. Germans and Egyptians now under American rule
Better in Germany 👍🏻
It belongs to Egypt, you can’t take a country history just to make money!
I don't understand Egypt is one of the oldest countries in the world if not the oldest democracy culture art and then how could they be so naive to sell the heritage Way
Democracy?! 🤨 What
@@samthesomniator I apologize I stand corrected
@@samthesomniator for the record I had intended to visit but after all the chaos and turmoil is going on at part of the world unfortunately it's not going to happen in my lifetime and it sadness me to see all the needless suffering who are always the first victims the first victims children women elderly and the sick pray that you have a blessed week my friend.
@@EnriqueScott-se3vp I wondered. Ancient egypt was a mighty and impressive culture but not exactly what we could call a demogracy. 😂😂
As an Egyptian who actually went to the Neues museum, I find it offensive that this is actually a debate whether the bust should be returned or not. Bring her home.
It's interesting how the Egyptian archeologist thinks Nefertiti was a feminist :) That is a really uneducated statement from one woman. But she has a point that the younger generation are different, they have to learn more about the world :)
Restore the Queen to her people. Nefertiti belongs, and always will, to Egypt.
Wont happen
@@kapuzinergruft haha it will, time is Egyptian, just wait and see.!
Thanks
I feel Nefertiti is safe in Germany. There are lots of instances where all the valuable articarfts were destroyed in the name of Allah.I am not against anyone. I would prefer a safe place for the beautiful bust ❤
Egypt isn't Iraq.
Considering the significance of the bust not only as image but also representation of remarkable Amana period in Egyptian history, I would love to see it returned and displayed in Cairo museum. From another side, recent non stop ‘people’ revolutions that placed director of the museum and leading Egyptologist In prison and released only after last revolution failed - it gives me doubts if the same fate will be shared by cultural treasures that belongs to different religions. The case of Palmira monuments completely destroyed or sold on the black market should be a warning sign for us to take into consideration.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the matter.
She IS an ICON ! THIEVES! GIVE IT BACK !
Back to Egypt, of course.
It was geniuses of European scholars that helped us understand the rich history nd significance of such objects..... Egypt had many such objects buried in sand for thousand of years.....after the arrival of curious European scholars who studied ancient Egypt and helped uncover the mystery of past.....why should we even return them.... Egypt had enough artifacts of own,same applies to other countries
Give her back Germany!
Hasn’t this statue been proven to be a fake?
No. There were one journalist and one conspiracy theory author claiming it was a fake. Without evidence of course.
Its authenticity has been proven in numerous ways though, including ct scans and chemical analysis.
Why would the world be fighting over a this statue if it was a fake?
Because a German made it...
She belongs in Egypt
Why not bring her back thieves
*Then come and take it.*
@@wiseoldwizard We will, sooner or later, you do not have enough babies. History repeats itself, and all Civilizations are doomed to fail.
Germany and Britain and France never give us anything for free, why we still let them has our historical incredibles pieces we just give German almost 40 billion dollars to build for us monorail trains and huge infrastructure projects as electrical station and other projects 😏😏😒
belong to berlin. if germany will not take it, it probably will be broken and lost.
Egypt 🇪🇬 ❤
It's economy 📉🔥
If Nefertiti return to Egypt, Egypt should also be return to Ethiopia otherwise German lost the meaning of morality!!!
I am Egyptian and I demand the German government never return the statue. Germany is stable and developed country that keep this piece of art in peace and we have many many statues in Egypt but we don't preserve them as it should be.
Time to return. No excuse for German to hold onto this.
Don't forget the Babylonian Ishtar Gate of Iraq still being kept in Germany
13.46 if i may dear achielogist why not correct eve's mistake in the garden of eden... in the 21st century... get the point... as a viewer... i respect you but in return ... you know exactly what to do...😊😊😊😊
Return the bust to its rightful owners, the Egyptian people.
It belongs to Egypt
Arabs dare to claim Ancient Egypt culture is beyond funny
slavery and black marvel heroes culture speaking about their masters , Arabs do it ( slavery ) bigger but Europeans do it better 😂😂😂
A guy who can't tell the difference between heritage and language is beyond funny.
if it was not found by the germans, the muslims would have smashed it to make plaster. keep it forever in germany
smashed it to make plaster? where did you study chemistry?
EGYPT of course ...no question !
I personally think it should stay in Germany.
Return it to Egypt? Have you seen Egypt!?
Doesn't matter. It's a fake anyway.
The bust of Queen Nefertiti, the most serious errors in Egyptology;
This trace was found in the area of Tell al-Amara near the city of Minya in Egypt, and the lineage of Queen Nefertiti based on an ancient Egyptian inscription dating back to King Akhenaten of the eighteenth dynasty in Egypt in the fourteenth century BC, due to the similarity of the crown of the Egyptian queen with the headdress of the lady in the Egyptian statue.
This ratio was supported by the examination of the life of the radiocarbon hemisphere through an organic adhesive in the eye of the statue.
Scientifically, the hypothesis that this statue belongs to Nefertiti remains weak, for the following reasons:
1. It has been common to use Arabic glue and adhesive material from animal origins in ancient Egyptian mummies and coffins, as has been common in the late ages, including the heroic era, to re-use old materials in subsequent works. The use of such adhesive materials is not excluded again.
2. The assumption that the bust was an ancient Egyptian family of 18 is very weak, because it did not prove that the ancient Egyptians knew the bust, because they considered the statues to be the bearers of the souls of their companions, and they believed that they should be perfect, and that is why many statues were smashed in the noses, as some sort of revenge from their enemies, to deprive their lives of survival.
3. The hypothesis that the sculptor used this bust as a model of his works is weak, because this was not a method used by Egyptian artists, and we did not find similar models in other sculptors ' laboratories.
4. The assumption that the hood of the statue is the Egyptian war crown is weak, it is not like him, and he did not know about the casket that it was surrounded by a belt, as in the bust of Nveretti.
In front of the hood of the head with a two - circle complex, the flag (the crown snake) was unusual in ancient Egyptian art.
6. This Egyptian statue was found in the area of Tel Al Ammarneh near the city of Mina, and Tel Al Ammarneh is on the outskirts of the city of Hermopolis from the heroic cities of the Hellenist era, now known as the Ashmunites, an ancient Egyptian civilization, and the overlap and accumulation of the city of Shatton and Hermopolis, from two historic periods of nearly a thousand years apart, at the same location observed and confusing for Egyptian scholars.
If these above points weaken the premise that this bust belongs to Queen Nefertiti, there are other indications of his heroic origin, and his return to Queen Cleopatra I, alias Kleopatra Suri,
1. The fact that this bust is a bust indicates that it dates back to the heroic era on the earliest date.
2. The head covering in this statue was one of the ancient traditions of the Phoenician, which was partially adopted by the Selustic Hlaustic State, which ruled the Levant, since Commander Sologus of the Macedonian Alexander, a cover worn by the Phoenician men.
The fact that a woman wearing a hood in this statue was a sign that she was a queen of Syrian origin who ruled Egypt, and she was portrayed in this way in Egyptian tradition, which portrayed the queen as a masculine fashion symbol of power and power.
There are pictures on other spicy knuckles, depicting this original slug queen with a head cover of phoenix costumes.
4. After the murder of her husband, Ptolemus V, south of Elsham and Egypt, Kliopatra, ruled Syria, which explains the two circles in his contract in the front of her head, which appears to have been a form of royal crown.
5. There are royal monuments belonging to the age of Queen Cleopatra Serra (Syrian), conceived in the same form and pattern as this bust.
Finally, we often lived as the bust of Queen Nefferetti for more than a century, while the first statue of Greek Macedonians, the ruler of Egypt and the south of the Levant, was in Egypt's heroic era of rule.
It’s fake, it’s not a real artifact.
German archaeologists and German money found it buried in sand.
Why do I as a tax payer pay for DW for spreading libel?