After watching lots of your awesome videos I thought what about my problem, Loughrigg fell terrain in the mist, dried up tarns, false paths. When last there I did a OS map swat and had issues. And then you give us this!m :) do a lot of 30-60k fell runs in the lakes solo in late rainy autumn early winter and find false paths really get me delayed(not lost ;) at times turning a 20k run into 30k. Dealing with false paths in the mist at speed is a nightmare, especially in the lakes. Thanks for your videos. I don’t ever comment but appreciate you and your content
I really appreciate this video from the perspective that it shows the results of being able to take skills that you're practiced in and assemble them all together to address situations as they arrive with a clear head and with confidence. The outcome is actually a beautiful thing, is it not? I thoroughly enjoyed this video, well done!
I put myself in the advanced navigation category. I navigated in a sand storm during Operation Desert Storm back in 1991. Of course I had a lot of training in the military. More than most soldiers. I went to the U.S. Defense Mapping school. The first two weeks of training was nothing but land navigation. I’m also a private pilot and an avid sailor. I learned navigation before GPS. I still find it a challenge to navigate as precisely as I can.
My wife and I just came back from Grasmere. We thought the rain and bad weather would put people off, but no. There were loads of them. Can't go anywhere for some solitude now. They even had their kids in a kiddie rucksack. 😂 haven't done this sort of map reading since my army days. 👍
Hello! Congratulations on this content. Your channel is amazing! Could you please make a video recommending books on land navigation? It would also be interesting to see your opinion on these books. Even making a division between books for basic, intermediate and advanced levels.
At the beginning when you follow the contour line on a 225 bearing, what terrain feature(s) showed you where the contour line changed to 325? I heard you say spur and I tried to follow where you were going and work backwards, but the perspective is too close. As you came across on the contour line was the spur right in front of and to your right? Where the rocks are just behind you? And to stay on the contour line would you have turned right and gone behind the spur? When you turned South you walked off to the left of the video, but again too close to get a perspective. I love this stuff!
ill be practicing that .. i try to stick to paths or routes and can tell where i am but micro nav does look challenging but could be useful in bad visibility . i usually shy away from that much of a risk and stick to the path but i will try to learn on bodmin moor where i actually know where i am and dont need a map . great video tho thanks for sharing
Hi, was the stream at the point you missed it underground, overgrown or dried up? , as I would be listening for sound of running water when approaching it as an intersection.
Great channel! I love land navigation, or map and compass work. Orienteering as a hobby is fun! Do you have any peep compass? They are more accurate but not as useful with a map. Rain, snow, night, marshy or some horrible combination of two or even three can test all of your skill! I’m a US Army veteran. The Army thinks that’s just good training!
Question, if we using a compass, why not also use a simple battery powered altimeter? They have batteries that last months. Yes, it needs frequent calibration but so does navigation as this video shows. I once walked during a snowstorm using snowshoes in the mountains along a marked snowshoe path (a post every 500 m or so). As it happens this was a fairly level path on a mountain slope, meaning I could use my altimeter to verify I was still close to the path even if the markers weren’t always visible.
I think I can say that I can handle navigation and compass techniques very well. But with navigation in the dark, I am a layman. In the evening when it is dark I only walk short paths that I know very well. As an almost 70 year old I prefer to sit with a nice cup of tea in front of my television.
Sliced grape Sandwiches. Now that is posh. Here in NZ we call this walking "tramping". It is customary to have a tin of pineapple at the end of the journey,
V. informative series of videos thank you. Relative to your navigation courses: How do you ensure that an applicant's actual abilities are not mismatched with the requirements of the course, eg a novice navigator applies under the impression that they have the skills to complete an advanced course, or an intermediate level candidate incorrectly applies for a novice course. Maybe that is the aim of this series of videos! What level are you?
I really appreciate your knowledge and videos. However it would be very, very useful (to) that you show/position the map exactly as we see the image on the video. ie. Orient the map with the landscape. Kindest regards; many thanks Very usefull and nice videos : )
@PrepperNation_H Thanks for your answer. I now what you mean but, If we need to read/interpret correctly the landscape and be efficient in te field (as we all expect, and is teaching the youtube viewers how to better navigate) we need to orient the map. Is a basic and vital prerequisite if you want to do that, and the exercise he proposes is exactly that (that´s why we puts a photo and map image simultaneously) . He is not just taking a bearing from the map with the compass. (in this case we don´t have to orient the map, as usually believe by many).But we need to that if we need to understand the landscape to orient ourselfs and/or make navigation leg.
@PrepperNation_H Thanks for your answer. Beside what i said before in my las comment, in my opinion, unless you are making the procedures of following a bearing with a compass; or you are following a handrail with a trust catching feature; or progress for a while in big open field landscape, (in 3 cases cases you should use, at least, a catching feature) you could "neglect" keep/use the map oriented in your hand while walking and "trust" only on your memory (but we all know...memory more often than not...). Otherwise for a precise/confident/success navigation (with no unpleasant disoriented supersizes) should keep the map oriented and look at him time to time (and if necessary, thumb regularly your position in it), depending on the conspicuous land feature on the terrain and/or daylight available. And yes, is the best way to improve/practice your ability of map-terrain-map interpretation; I think! By the way...keep map oriented all the time is the first vital rule in Orienteering, from complete beginner to master top level competitors; is a "must" ! Sorry my English, I´m from Portugal!
@PrepperNation_H Only for recreation and just walking, when i can (because i work allmost every weekend), i participate Portugal official orienterring races to; started in 2021. All books that i have focus on this very important issue. It´s a option "method", but for sure, if you don´t orient and look at the map, you rise much higher the probability to make a pin point position or navigation mistake are you a beginner or advance top level orientier (what all of us try to avoid at any cost). Kindest regards Luís Avelar
I appreciate both sides but as everyone learns differently and as a complete beginner I needed to orient the map to see and understand the geography and understand what I was doing and now I can proceed to the next stage. These videos are giving me guidance and explanations on how to gradually proceed through each stage and I greatly appreciate them.
@PrepperNation_H Thanks for your answer and sorry late response but i work on weekends. I know what you mean and agreed in part. For me orient the map (with no compass, just looking at natural or man made feuture) is much more interesting and even fun (the map and terrain puzzle pieces match) truth the walking journey.
Navigation teacher: "I'm lost again, nothing unusual about that "
Love it. 😂
I'm consistently impressed with this channel. Always good information, always interesting, always entertaining, always understandable. Thanks you.
You are a great teacher, thank you.
After watching lots of your awesome videos I thought what about my problem, Loughrigg fell terrain in the mist, dried up tarns, false paths. When last there I did a OS map swat and had issues. And then you give us this!m :) do a lot of 30-60k fell runs in the lakes solo in late rainy autumn early winter and find false paths really get me delayed(not lost ;) at times turning a 20k run into 30k. Dealing with false paths in the mist at speed is a nightmare, especially in the lakes. Thanks for your videos. I don’t ever comment but appreciate you and your content
Great video - Thank you!!! Love the split screen.
As always, excellent content and very well presented. Thank you.
It's not obvious (to me at least) how many skills are being employed until you list them. Great instructional video.
I really appreciate this video from the perspective that it shows the results of being able to take skills that you're practiced in and assemble them all together to address situations as they arrive with a clear head and with confidence. The outcome is actually a beautiful thing, is it not?
I thoroughly enjoyed this video, well done!
Great navigation lesson. Thank you.
I put myself in the advanced navigation category. I navigated in a sand storm during Operation Desert Storm back in 1991. Of course I had a lot of training in the military. More than most soldiers. I went to the U.S. Defense Mapping school. The first two weeks of training was nothing but land navigation. I’m also a private pilot and an avid sailor. I learned navigation before GPS. I still find it a challenge to navigate as precisely as I can.
Brilliant video and instruction, been waiting for it! Cheers
brilliant video, amazing skill set you have
Another great video - I really enjoyed this.
My wife and I just came back from Grasmere. We thought the rain and bad weather would put people off, but no. There were loads of them. Can't go anywhere for some solitude now. They even had their kids in a kiddie rucksack. 😂 haven't done this sort of map reading since my army days. 👍
Another great video
May I suggest another “D” = departure (i.e. confirming one’s starting point). I always love your videos, truly informative and practical.
Departure. Thanks, that's as really good idea. I didn't think of that - every day is a classroom day 😊
Hello! Congratulations on this content. Your channel is amazing! Could you please make a video recommending books on land navigation? It would also be interesting to see your opinion on these books. Even making a division between books for basic, intermediate and advanced levels.
Wow, sliced grapes in sandwiches,never heard of that one, looks nice
Great Videos Mate.
Can You Do More On Grid References.
At the beginning when you follow the contour line on a 225 bearing, what terrain feature(s) showed you where the contour line changed to 325? I heard you say spur and I tried to follow where you were going and work backwards, but the perspective is too close. As you came across on the contour line was the spur right in front of and to your right? Where the rocks are just behind you? And to stay on the contour line would you have turned right and gone behind the spur? When you turned South you walked off to the left of the video, but again too close to get a perspective. I love this stuff!
ill be practicing that .. i try to stick to paths or routes and can tell where i am but micro nav does look challenging but could be useful in bad visibility . i usually shy away from that much of a risk and stick to the path but i will try to learn on bodmin moor where i actually know where i am and dont need a map . great video tho thanks for sharing
Hi, was the stream at the point you missed it underground, overgrown or dried up? , as I would be listening for sound of running water when approaching it as an intersection.
Great channel! I love land navigation, or map and compass work. Orienteering as a hobby is fun! Do you have any peep compass? They are more accurate but not as useful with a map. Rain, snow, night, marshy or some horrible combination of two or even three can test all of your skill! I’m a US Army veteran. The Army thinks that’s just good training!
Question, if we using a compass, why not also use a simple battery powered altimeter? They have batteries that last months. Yes, it needs frequent calibration but so does navigation as this video shows.
I once walked during a snowstorm using snowshoes in the mountains along a marked snowshoe path (a post every 500 m or so). As it happens this was a fairly level path on a mountain slope, meaning I could use my altimeter to verify I was still close to the path even if the markers weren’t always visible.
I've already filmed a "how to use an Altimeter" video, just not edited it yet. Once it's edited I'll post it.
I think I can say that I can handle navigation and compass techniques very well. But with navigation in the dark, I am a layman. In the evening when it is dark I only walk short paths that I know very well. As an almost 70 year old I prefer to sit with a nice cup of tea in front of my television.
Sliced grape Sandwiches. Now that is posh. Here in NZ we call this walking "tramping". It is customary to have a tin of pineapple at the end of the journey,
Pineapple in a tin. hmmmmmm not sure about that
@@TheMapReadingCompany How about a can of peaches then?
@TheMapReadingCompany it's UNBELIEVABLY amazing.
For mountain leader training, do you need to be an intermediate or advanced navigator?
V. informative series of videos thank you. Relative to your navigation courses: How do you ensure that an applicant's actual abilities are not mismatched with the requirements of the course, eg a novice navigator applies under the impression that they have the skills to complete an advanced course, or an intermediate level candidate incorrectly applies for a novice course. Maybe that is the aim of this series of videos! What level are you?
I really appreciate your knowledge and videos. However it would be very, very useful (to) that you show/position the map exactly as we see the image on the video. ie. Orient the map with the landscape. Kindest regards; many thanks Very usefull and nice videos : )
@PrepperNation_H Thanks for your answer. I now what you mean but, If we need to read/interpret correctly the landscape and be efficient in te field (as we all expect, and is teaching the youtube viewers how to better navigate) we need to orient the map. Is a basic and vital prerequisite if you want to do that, and the exercise he proposes is exactly that (that´s why we puts a photo and map image simultaneously) . He is not just taking a bearing from the map with the compass. (in this case we don´t have to orient the map, as usually believe by many).But we need to that if we need to understand the landscape to orient ourselfs and/or make navigation leg.
@PrepperNation_H Thanks for your answer. Beside what i said before in my las comment, in my opinion, unless you are making the procedures of following a bearing with a compass; or you are following a handrail with a trust catching feature; or progress for a while in big open field landscape, (in 3 cases cases you should use, at least, a catching feature) you could "neglect" keep/use the map oriented in your hand while walking and "trust" only on your memory (but we all know...memory more often than not...). Otherwise for a precise/confident/success navigation (with no unpleasant disoriented supersizes) should keep the map oriented and look at him time to time (and if necessary, thumb regularly your position in it), depending on the conspicuous land feature on the terrain and/or daylight available. And yes, is the best way to improve/practice your ability of map-terrain-map interpretation; I think!
By the way...keep map oriented all the time is the first vital rule in Orienteering, from complete beginner to master top level competitors; is a "must" !
Sorry my English, I´m from Portugal!
@PrepperNation_H Only for recreation and just walking, when i can (because i work allmost every weekend), i participate Portugal official orienterring races to; started in 2021. All books that i have focus on this very important issue.
It´s a option "method", but for sure, if you don´t orient and look at the map, you rise much higher the probability to make a pin point position or navigation mistake are you a beginner or advance top level orientier (what all of us try to avoid at any cost).
Kindest regards
Luís Avelar
I appreciate both sides but as everyone learns differently and as a complete beginner I needed to orient the map to see and understand the geography and understand what I was doing and now I can proceed to the next stage. These videos are giving me guidance and explanations on how to gradually proceed through each stage and I greatly appreciate them.
@PrepperNation_H Thanks for your answer and sorry late response but i work on weekends. I know what you mean and agreed in part. For me orient the map (with no compass, just looking at natural or man made feuture) is much more interesting and even fun (the map and terrain puzzle pieces match) truth the walking journey.
Brilliant vid very informative, by the way who makes your sandwiches? Not gregg’s I bet..
Oh! the question "What level are you? was not directed to you Wayne - but one to be directed o a potential navigation course applicant!🤐
TIL the term “slope aspect”.
when lost getting unlost is advanced nav,
I am level “L” navigator. L as in lost ☹️
Oh ! An ex-army officer, obviously !
The most dangerous thing in the Army. An officer with a map.
👍
It is better to walk into a cliff than to walk off a cliff
"Practice and experience"... who needs that? I have 5% body fat and great hair. Follow me everyone!
Practice and experience are better....😂 bonus if it comes with great hair. 5% body fat doesn't promise me anything......😂😅
@@nikob5899
Nobody gets me.