Best example of taking a wrong turn I've come across is bumping into a group of 8 hikers in Beddgelert Forest who thought they were on the Rhyd Ddu path up Snowdon, so they'd parked up and started off going exactly 180° in the wrong direction, thing I noticed there though which is often the case, there was one group member who'd taken control of map duty and the rest were just following blindly, I think it always helps to have a second pair of eyes! I got into navigation when I started fell running, and I wouldn't say I'm the best navigator but I can 'not get lost' which I think is important! I learn lots on this channel though, so interesting, you fill in all the gaps!
A stream I'm jumping over, and a river I'm crossing over a bridge etc. A lake I'm taking pictures, and a pond I'm feeding ducks and not worrying about drowning too much. I'd class myself as Dad level. I can read a map, and use a compass with four kids running around and a wife talking about anything and everything. I'm slightly above Novice level, but you'll never find me anywhere that needs more. Great channel, and I'm glad I don't need your skills as I'd shit myself.
About navigation. My father was born in Norway by Swedish parents and enjoyed his holydays in Sweden. In the forrests of Sweden his uncles taught him to go by compas course in the woods. A 15-20 foot thin pole. The front part under your arm. Whenever you deviated from the course/bearing, you would notice. When coming to a troubled area with thick brushes, you could push the stick thorough the brush, walk around and find the stick. The angle would be all right. My father told me is was very fine by night navigation
Another great video. Your calm and unflustered instruction is wonderful to listen to. I love the content of this video and your relaxed explanation of reading a map.
Stream: you can jump or step across it without much effort. Creek: slow enough that you can walk across it without getting swept away (most of the time), mostly no deeper than halfway to your knee - often more or less ankle deep. If it’s wider than a 3 lane road, it might be a river that’s just low. A creek is about the size of a one lane road, maybe two. River: Wider and often deeper than a creek. Source: a magical childhood exploring creeks, streams, rivers. These are my personal definitions/guidelines. There have been waterways officially labeled as a “creek” that have flooded and swept away structures as large as a house. That’s a river in my opinion.
Brilliant video, you make navigating entertaining and very easy to learn. As for rivers and streams, rivers are a lot wetter than streams. I know that because you get more fish in rivers and this is because the water in streams isn't wet enough for most fish to survive.
I don't know how it is in English, but in Flemish (Dutch) it is like this. A stream is a watercourse that flows into the sea. When a watercourse flows into a stream, it is a river. Watercourses that flow into a river are tributaries.
By the time you've straightened out the definitions of rivers, rivulets streams, streamlets, burns, brooks, becks, gills, sikes, rills, creeks, etc you'll probably wish you'd never asked 😅
River V stream. While by definition they are the same, in reality, the river is a bigger body of water. A stream is smaller and it even allows you to walk across it. What is more, the river is a collection of streams, whereas the stream is a single flowing body of water.
Turning left or right is not just important in the hills. In urban areas with roads it is important too. (as my short walk to a supermarket when traveling overseas with no map turned out to be)
Those trees surrounded by a wall (at 6') are almost certain the site of a former lead mine. The spoil from the mine would be poisonous to sheep so has been walled off. I am very surprised you did not 'expound' on this observation!
Really appreciating the videos you produce. I'm getting back into rambling after more than a decade, this time on wheels due to disability, so I'm constantly having to adjust routes and find ways round not just for things like broken bridges but for narrow ones, kissing gates, stiles etc. I find the only time I ever get my compass out is to use the clinometer function so I can record how steep the slopes I can climb are, but the map lives ony my lap at all times.
Canoe instructor here! Unfortunately Wayne, there is no strict definition between creek, stream and river! Creek is defined as the smallest of the 3, with river being the largest and stream being somewhere in-between. A trick I use is if I can walk across, it's a creek. If I have to wade a bit, it's a stream and if I need to swim, it's a river!
An excellent video as always. Very informative and entertaining, keep up the great work. Also this video has highlighted some areas of navigation I need to practice/ improve. I would say I am an Intermediate Novice.
Earl grey or English breakfast ? lol mm 0:27 and a bikky 👍🇦🇺🇬🇧. 1:00 found it on google earth . 😃 4:37 I’m thinking a stream or a creek. A river would be big enough for boats I’m thinking. 10:33 public right of way. I understand England has ancient laws , so different to Australia, I’m learning…such beautiful countryside. 16:14 thoroughly enjoying your channel and content , very much appreciated thankyou for your efforts and explanation.
Pond V lake. Ponds are generally the smaller and shallower of the two, resulting in less surface area. They're considered lentic systems, which means they're pretty much bodies of standing water. That water also is in the photic zone, meaning it's shallow enough so sunlight reaches the bottom. The light allows plants to grow at the bottom, too, as well as on the surface. All the water in a pond tends to maintain a more uniform water temperature and has smaller - if any - waves, lending itself to a variety of flora and fauna.
A stream becomes a river when you can no longer cross it on foot without getting wet, or if you can ride a boat down it. Or if some bloke decides to call it a river.
I love your channel and your charisma. Surely your map on the bottom left of the screen at 1:36 should be oriented by 90° inline with your camera/ your head direction ? Always hardest starting the walk..😂
When orienting your map with the compass you should mention magnetic declination given many of your watchers live in areas where this value is significant.
Regarding the maps I print my map off from the OS app so the area I need is on one piece of paper, I could always guarantee if using a map my routes would always be on different maps, or if folded different sides or right along a crease,
Pond: If you can throw a basketball across it. Can’t be deeper than your shoulders at the deepest point, water level is usually no higher than ones buttocks in most places. Lake: Bigger than a pond. Often someplace deeper than your height.
A stream is anything smaller than the river closest to you when you grew up. For example, Mark Twain grew up near and worked on the Mississippi. Therefore, every other river he mentions in his books is laughably small.
A river is bigger and a more defined water course than a stream, also called a brook or creek which usually originates from a mountain spring. Streams (several) flow into rivers. Sometimes rivers are able to be navigated in a boat or bigger boat like a ship (what is the difference between a boat and a ship?). I would say that you could wade across a stream with little effort but a river would be less wadable? Also if it is named on a map as a river then it is a river and if the map says "stream" then it is a stream.
The only thing I noticed on your map was the water feature has dark blue borders on both sides. On U.S. topo’s that signify a specific width 25’ +. Not sure what qualifies a body of water its title.
Nice videos. Thanks for posting them. Who are you? No info here, except “we.” Even the website just has “admin” as credit for articles. The contact form is basically empty, and there is no “about us” page, though I expect it would just be like the description here with the “we” who run the business. We need more info.
I have seen his name in some videos. 💬 His (long) list of qualifications are listed in other videos. (As I've watched them all now) 🤓 Maybe it's unusual these days, but there are some videos where the content is more important than the person presenting it. I think it's refreshing to find a channel that isn't just an ego thing but is actually trying to teach. I'm grateful to have leant so much. Oh, and I've been on his courses. So I've met him in person like a few have on here. 🎉 Keep up the amazing teaching Wayne!! 😊 We've got your back! 🤝
Wikipedia suggests that rivers and streams flow to the ocean, and anything smaller flows into a stream or river. But the distinction does not appear to be exact, and size seems to matter.
I'd personally expect a stream to be both shallow enough to wade through and narrow enough to jump over. Too big for either of those and I'm calling it a river
Giving initial thought to the difference between a pond and a lake, I arrived at a pond being artificial and a lake a natural phenomenon - but no, not good enough! (lakes behind dams!) - so, how about ponds are features dug out by non natural methods and lakes are not.
Dictionary definition of "stream" (not very helpful): A flow of water in a channel or bed, as a brook, rivulet, or small river. A steady current in such a flow of water. A steady current of a fluid
When orienting your map with the compass you should mention magnetic declination given many of your watchers live in areas where this value is significant.
If you fall into a stream you get wet. If you fall into a river you get bloody soaked. 😊
…and perhaps… drown!
Hopefully swim with the fishies, 😂😅😃👍🇦🇺
Such a great channel. Wayne is such an affable guy and excellent instructor
Yup. I’m learning lots here
Agreed
Best example of taking a wrong turn I've come across is bumping into a group of 8 hikers in Beddgelert Forest who thought they were on the Rhyd Ddu path up Snowdon, so they'd parked up and started off going exactly 180° in the wrong direction, thing I noticed there though which is often the case, there was one group member who'd taken control of map duty and the rest were just following blindly, I think it always helps to have a second pair of eyes! I got into navigation when I started fell running, and I wouldn't say I'm the best navigator but I can 'not get lost' which I think is important! I learn lots on this channel though, so interesting, you fill in all the gaps!
I can't say it often enough. Man, this is an awesome channel.
You deserve all the best, because of the great content you always deliver, and with a smile as well
A stream I'm jumping over, and a river I'm crossing over a bridge etc. A lake I'm taking pictures, and a pond I'm feeding ducks and not worrying about drowning too much. I'd class myself as Dad level. I can read a map, and use a compass with four kids running around and a wife talking about anything and everything. I'm slightly above Novice level, but you'll never find me anywhere that needs more. Great channel, and I'm glad I don't need your skills as I'd shit myself.
About navigation. My father was born in Norway by Swedish parents and enjoyed his holydays in Sweden. In the forrests of Sweden his uncles taught him to go by compas course in the woods. A 15-20 foot thin pole. The front part under your arm. Whenever you deviated from the course/bearing, you would notice. When coming to a troubled area with thick brushes, you could push the stick thorough the brush, walk around and find the stick. The angle would be all right. My father told me is was very fine by night navigation
Fantastic. Your walks are very educational & enjoyable
This looks like exactly the only type of navigation I do when I go out hiking, excited to see how different the Intermediate level will be!
that zone and those rocks in particular are very mystical. I can imagine the beautiful stories and lore surrounding that area.
Another great video. Your calm and unflustered instruction is wonderful to listen to. I love the content of this video and your relaxed explanation of reading a map.
Stream: you can jump or step across it without much effort.
Creek: slow enough that you can walk across it without getting swept away (most of the time), mostly no deeper than halfway to your knee - often more or less ankle deep. If it’s wider than a 3 lane road, it might be a river that’s just low. A creek is about the size of a one lane road, maybe two.
River: Wider and often deeper than a creek.
Source: a magical childhood exploring creeks, streams, rivers. These are my personal definitions/guidelines. There have been waterways officially labeled as a “creek” that have flooded and swept away structures as large as a house. That’s a river in my opinion.
I wish the USGS and other maps in the USA were of the same quality and detail as the OS maps. Excellent set of videos for self-assessment.
Buen ejercicio de orientación. El mapa tiene mucho detalle y eso es fundamental. 1:25000, supongo.
Gracias por el vídeo. Saludos desde España.
Brilliant video, you make navigating entertaining and very easy to learn.
As for rivers and streams, rivers are a lot wetter than streams. I know that because you get more fish in rivers and this is because the water in streams isn't wet enough for most fish to survive.
I don't know how it is in English, but in Flemish (Dutch) it is like this.
A stream is a watercourse that flows into the sea. When a watercourse flows into a stream, it is a river. Watercourses that flow into a river are tributaries.
By the time you've straightened out the definitions of rivers, rivulets streams, streamlets, burns, brooks, becks, gills, sikes, rills, creeks, etc you'll probably wish you'd never asked 😅
I like how the question about streams and rivers etc has really got us thinking and reading up! 😊
River V stream. While by definition they are the same, in reality, the river is a bigger body of water. A stream is smaller and it even allows you to walk across it. What is more, the river is a collection of streams, whereas the stream is a single flowing body of water.
I like this definition, a stream you can walk across, a river you can swim or use a bridge or boat, a creek you can jump or step over
Turning left or right is not just important in the hills. In urban areas with roads it is important too. (as my short walk to a supermarket when traveling overseas with no map turned out to be)
Such a great video.
This has showed me I feel I'm not even at novice level and need to learn more.
Love your channel and I learn a lot. Thank you
Another excellent and informative video. Thank you
Those trees surrounded by a wall (at 6') are almost certain the site of a former lead mine. The spoil from the mine would be poisonous to sheep so has been walled off. I am very surprised you did not 'expound' on this observation!
Really appreciating the videos you produce. I'm getting back into rambling after more than a decade, this time on wheels due to disability, so I'm constantly having to adjust routes and find ways round not just for things like broken bridges but for narrow ones, kissing gates, stiles etc. I find the only time I ever get my compass out is to use the clinometer function so I can record how steep the slopes I can climb are, but the map lives ony my lap at all times.
Canoe instructor here!
Unfortunately Wayne, there is no strict definition between creek, stream and river!
Creek is defined as the smallest of the 3, with river being the largest and stream being somewhere in-between.
A trick I use is if I can walk across, it's a creek. If I have to wade a bit, it's a stream and if I need to swim, it's a river!
Thanks
Great video. Looking forward to the intermediate one.
An excellent video as always. Very informative and entertaining, keep up the great work. Also this video has highlighted some areas of navigation I need to practice/ improve. I would say I am an Intermediate Novice.
We stopped by Owler Tor on our way to Castleton last week. Nice little area for having your pack up :)
Earl grey or English breakfast ? lol mm 0:27 and a bikky 👍🇦🇺🇬🇧. 1:00 found it on google earth . 😃 4:37 I’m thinking a stream or a creek. A river would be big enough for boats I’m thinking. 10:33 public right of way. I understand England has ancient laws , so different to Australia, I’m learning…such beautiful countryside. 16:14 thoroughly enjoying your channel and content , very much appreciated thankyou for your efforts and explanation.
Pond V lake. Ponds are generally the smaller and shallower of the two, resulting in less surface area. They're considered lentic systems, which means they're pretty much bodies of standing water. That water also is in the photic zone, meaning it's shallow enough so sunlight reaches the bottom. The light allows plants to grow at the bottom, too, as well as on the surface. All the water in a pond tends to maintain a more uniform water temperature and has smaller - if any - waves, lending itself to a variety of flora and fauna.
Smarty Pants or in Indian, Smmarratatee pants
A stream becomes a river when you can no longer cross it on foot without getting wet, or if you can ride a boat down it. Or if some bloke decides to call it a river.
I love your channel and your charisma. Surely your map on the bottom left of the screen at 1:36 should be oriented by 90° inline with your camera/ your head direction ? Always hardest starting the walk..😂
This is excellent, many thanks
When orienting your map with the compass you should mention magnetic declination given many of your watchers live in areas where this value is significant.
Regarding the maps I print my map off from the OS app so the area I need is on one piece of paper, I could always guarantee if using a map my routes would always be on different maps, or if folded different sides or right along a crease,
A pond can be swam across with relative ease. Swimming across a lake without exhausting yourself requires significant swimmer fitness.
Diference between ponds and lakes is very simple in fact. Lakes are natural and ponds are make (damed) by people.
Stream, creek, brook, ghyll, river... God knows how you're supposed to differentiate.
I'm keen to know the answer to this myself.
Pond: If you can throw a basketball across it. Can’t be deeper than your shoulders at the deepest point, water level is usually no higher than ones buttocks in most places.
Lake: Bigger than a pond. Often someplace deeper than your height.
Brilliant video
A stream is anything smaller than the river closest to you when you grew up.
For example, Mark Twain grew up near and worked on the Mississippi. Therefore, every other river he mentions in his books is laughably small.
A river is bigger and a more defined water course than a stream, also called a brook or creek which usually originates from a mountain spring. Streams (several) flow into rivers. Sometimes rivers are able to be navigated in a boat or bigger boat like a ship (what is the difference between a boat and a ship?). I would say that you could wade across a stream with little effort but a river would be less wadable? Also if it is named on a map as a river then it is a river and if the map says "stream" then it is a stream.
I like the mistakes method of learning
No need to go outside, I can just sit here doing novice level of navigation
I had a dog with me that got hungry and knew where the truck was parked LOL
The difference between river and stream is the spelling!😂
Diference between river and stream is very simple in fact. Streams flow into rivers but oposite is not possible.
The only thing I noticed on your map was the water feature has dark blue borders on both sides. On U.S. topo’s that signify a specific width 25’ +. Not sure what qualifies a body of water its title.
Nice videos. Thanks for posting them. Who are you? No info here, except “we.” Even the website just has “admin” as credit for articles. The contact form is basically empty, and there is no “about us” page, though I expect it would just be like the description here with the “we” who run the business. We need more info.
I have seen his name in some videos. 💬
His (long) list of qualifications are listed in other videos. (As I've watched them all now) 🤓
Maybe it's unusual these days, but there are some videos where the content is more important than the person presenting it.
I think it's refreshing to find a channel that isn't just an ego thing but is actually trying to teach.
I'm grateful to have leant so much. Oh, and I've been on his courses. So I've met him in person like a few have on here. 🎉
Keep up the amazing teaching Wayne!! 😊 We've got your back! 🤝
A stream runs into a pond, a river runs into a lake. 😂
Not necessarily. They can merely disappear into the good Earth
Wikipedia suggests that rivers and streams flow to the ocean, and anything smaller flows into a stream or river. But the distinction does not appear to be exact, and size seems to matter.
I'd personally expect a stream to be both shallow enough to wade through and narrow enough to jump over. Too big for either of those and I'm calling it a river
He’s great
Or a burn in Scotland, or a breck in Yorkshire - ! 😅
But as you surmise Wayne, when does a burn / breck / stream qualify as a river - ! 😅
Have you ever navigated in the wilds of say, Africa?
The Homo Sapiens came from Africa, most likely on foot.
Be specific. Africa is a continent
In Utah that's a "crick"
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Pond is small. Lake is big.
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What tea are ya drinking? How do you fix it?
i have been saying '
"Orientate my map" for 45 years !!! So it's "Orient " ? Also isn't the source of a Stream A River 🤔
A river is navigable
Giving initial thought to the difference between a pond and a lake, I arrived at a pond being artificial and a lake a natural phenomenon - but no, not good enough! (lakes behind dams!) - so, how about ponds are features dug out by non natural methods and lakes are not.
Ponds Dnt have lake monsters in them 😂
Dictionary definition of "stream" (not very helpful):
A flow of water in a channel or bed, as a brook, rivulet, or small river.
A steady current in such a flow of water.
A steady current of a fluid
More like a creek.
Creek is not commonly used in the UK. Small water courses are variably called brooks, becks or ghylls.
It’s all knowledge gathering….
Fantastic. My favourite instructor on YT.🫡
Rivers Need Streams Streams Feed Rivers
When orienting your map with the compass you should mention magnetic declination given many of your watchers live in areas where this value is significant.