Subframe Connectors for First Gen Mustangs. Kiwi Style!!!
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Today we install integrated subframe connectors that will actually stiffen up the car and not cost you any ground clearance !!
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"all that's left to do is...everything"....would make a hell of a t-shirt.
Hmm, that's true!!
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160Kiwi, get us some shirts, to buy!😃
Once again you show us how you are the master fabricater. Amazing work Kiwi , cheers buddy!@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160
@@peterantonopoulos2572 thanks man and thanks for watching!!
I’m happy that uncle Tony introduced you to my viewing. Had to quite watching him. He never did much hands on work.
I struggle to find the time to make videos between getting the work done. Some struggle to get work done between making videos...... Glad your enjoying the channel 😎👍
He, wants to be a talking channel. People, have to really like you, to listen to you talk. I, believe he's lost many views, due to the way he goes through friends. Makes me wander, how long Dr. Art will be around. I, haven't watched any of his uploads in many weeks. Maybe, he'll come around. Really, love Kiwi's channel!
Shhhh don't make UT hear .. he is what he is. Talks forever but never seen him complete much .. there's characters everywhere..
Tony's just the Mopar version of my old boss of 20+ years, I mostly like his ways.
@@strokermaverick Yeah I think that too. And Jamie at D.D.G. Must be a bit hard to get on with.
Bending the floorpan edge up 90°, instead of butt welding, is pretty smart. A lot stronger. Owner will appreciate connectors in the turns and bumpy roads.
Every bit helps!!
Again I say you are a master fabricator..................Jay
Thanks Jay and thanks for watching!!
When he was doing the actual welding I could smell it just from seeing it. I wasn't expecting that.
Smellavision ! At no extra charge 😁😎👍
I know what you mean, I can almost see the sparks and smoke beyond the monitor and smell hot metal...
the old kiwi number 8 wire "can do" mentality
Yeah buddy!!😎👍
I always enjoy watching this channel. Highly skilled and down to earth and have learned a lot. You would have made a great shop teacher.
Thanks man,glad you enjoyed it!!
Best subframe connector I’ve seen. Especially liked the box back at the leaf mount.
This channel is a gem!
Thanks man, glad your enjoying it😁😎
This is exactly what I need to did my wife's 66 mustang 🐎. . She has a high performance High torquing high revving humongous horsepower worn out 200 inline 6 with automatic, that cannot even get out of its own way!!!
😂🤣 well ok it might overkill in your case😁😎👍
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 maybe but it's not my car. Now wait to see what you do with her I find it very interesting. Remember Joe out there for us ranch has parts generally speaking for this era. Hey I got a car from the early seventies within the original hemi. It's a Toyota 4 cylinder hemi engine! I forgot the model of the car but they only imported them for something like 8 or 9 months. A two door coupe. You can probably call that V6 in my 68 GMC a hemi engine as well. You picked a big old station wagon
It's like "A Stitch in Time " . Cheers !🤠
Lol. Haven't heard that in a while😁😎👍
WOW Kiwi !!
That's incredibly impressive !!
Love the attention too detail
Thanks man,glad you enjoyed it!!
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160
I'm curious 🤔 what type of steel are you utilizing for the sub frame connectors and/or , torque boxes ?
A mild steel or a type of sprung steel .
That has a little more , elastic ?
@@butcher390 mild steel 2"x2" 1/8 wall.
Great how to video kiwi hope the younger generation will learn something and keep the car hobby moving forward
Hopefully!! Thanks for watching!!
Still my favorite youtube channel by far!!
I'm glad you're enjoying it bud!!!
Once again kiwi makes it look easy/. With this heat here i use a spray bottle with clean water and spray my face down to cool off the sweat its good to have around especially when you are welding..
Good idea, would work in those pesky little sound deadener fires too😬😎👍
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 hey kiwi you can even put little dishwashing soap and water and wash your hands.. that's what I do too..
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160
Real tidy and solid work. Love to see someones baby getting love not dodgy jobs done
@@getahanddown thanks man!!
I bet, you can put a floor jack anywhere , between the wheels and it lift the whole side up evenly, after those subframe connectors were installed. Great job, Kiwi!
Your right! They really tighten up the car done this way and there's nothing hanging down so you don't lose any ground clearance
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160You, the man, KIWI!
Ha yea, make it like my 63 gal essentialy😎 with a Clayton’s full frame? The full frame ya have when ya..you know the rest.
@@StevenMilne-sm4fkThe drink Jack Thompson drank when he wasn't having a drink.
@@StevenMilne-sm4fkYou got a '63 Galaxie? . I love those, is it a fastback roof, or 2 or 4 door sedan?
So informative!👌🏻 made it look so easy😂 almost thought “I could do that!” For a second.😂 love this kind of video Great stuff.
Thanks man,glad you enjoyed it!!
I would agree. Weld em in. It's the best way, the bilt ins are almost for show
Agreed!! Bolt ins are quick and easy, good for bragging rights and that's about it......
Excellent work Kiwi. Safe and effective repair 😎
Thanks man and thanks for watching!!
That's quite the job. Good job. On top of that, at least there ain't going to be no horror story about this car down the road not being made strong enough to hold that big motor. You guys are doing a great job that was interesting. 👍👍🙂🇨🇦
Thanks man glad you enjoyed it!!
Really like the first Mustangs. 1964 with a 200 cubic inch engine and 3 speed on the floor was my first car. ❤❤😊
Bet you wish you still had it... 😁😎👍
@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 Yes definitely!
The best thing is no one beat them up. They are the best ones for a resto mod project.
Kiwi style 😎
There will be no dance routines to accompany this video 🤣😂👍
Nice job. You make it look easy
Thanks man and thanks for watching!!
Subframe connectors Kiwi style--You know they will work right!😎
They keep the 750 ft/lbs of torque under control in my mustang😁😎👍
Great instructional video on proper methods and your thought process! Thanks for sharing Very helpful!!
Thanks man and thanks for watching!!
Great job! Way stronger than it's ever been. Cheers! 😎👍🏎🏁🏁🐎
You really do notice the difference when you drive it! Thanks for watching!
Nice job! I like seeing the detailed process of how you go about these projects, you make it look easy
Thanks man and thanks for watching!!
Love all this work, my level. Also no promo for ear buds or green shit to drink! 👍👍
LOL. Maybe when I hit a 100,000 subs someone might want me to do promo's for them😎👍😁
Kiwi ...........Maaaate 🙂its 35c you've been away from the southern hemisphere to long , always a good video and cheers
I'm back in December for a dose of Kiwi 😁😎👍. I'll have to find some good car shows !!
True craftsmanship.
Thanks man and thanks for watching!!
KIWI does such nice thoughtful work. Best content. Rock On
Cheers mate👍😎
As perfect as ever Kiwi, great vids and very helpful.
Thanks man,glad you enjoyed it!!
Looks like a nice car to start with, nice change of pace from your usual polished turds that seem to find their way to your shop huh? Should make the old stang hook up much better, always enjoy seeing your builds come to life
It's is a pretty nice car!! Glad you're enjoying it!!
Looks like a great job, certainly stronger than original, thanks for sharing, all the best to you and your loved ones
Cheers mate, same to you!
Great work as always 😎👍
Cheers mate!!
Could have taken some shortcuts on that, but you didn’t. Nice work!
Thanks man!!
Great video , KIWI !
Thanks man!! Glad you enjoyed it!!
Stay cool Kiwi, maybe have a foster or two. Yeah that was quite a connection 😆 I'll let myself out
Dude, Fosters is an Aussie drink. No right minded kiwi would volunteer to drink that bilgewater
@@mathewhills8807 I know LOL
I bought some Foster's here tho king some of my Aussie mates here would like it. Wrong!!! Can't give the shit away😁🤣
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 Same nobody likes here either 😂😂
Great job and I will have you do the sane to our 67 Fastback too.
😁😎👍
Thank you, I have always wanted to add subfram connector to my 67. My idea was the use rectangler tube cut the top out and wrap around the outside and weld on.
Old style sub frame connectors were
exactly that.
That would work but cutting the top out you'd lose some of the strength
Looks very great job you are Amazing Kivi!
Thanks man!!
It's 7* C in ChCh at the moment. So 93F sounds good.
You can always put more clothes on when it's cold but taking them off when it's hot is not that advisable when welding and RUclips get all weird about it too 🤣😂😎👍
Nice work kiwi
Thanks man and thanks for watching!!
A true craftsman, it's great to watch mate. All the best.
Thanks man and thanks for watching!!
Good stuff Kiwi!
Cheers mate!!
Great work and instructive video. But where is your personal protection? No ACC where you are now. You only get one skin, protect it.
Your right I should but I hate wearing gloves and it's soo dang hot for a welding jacket or sleeves.
Doing this on a spider lift... So how do you know that the body is square, straight, and not twisted before you weld it solid??
Doesnt it matter??
My buddy is doing a 68 fastback on a frame table. Its getting a Coyote, 4 link, etc.
I use Jack stands front and rear to even out the load, never had an issue that way.
I don't know if it is applicable, what I have done in the past is press our the isolation bushes in the subframe & replace them with solid steel & replace the bolts with Allen bolts (higher tensile).
Yes there is trade off's as you would understand .
Kiwi Rod
That's tightens things up on cars with subframes but it can make the car a little harsh. Standard practice on race cars 😁😎👍
Yes that is the trade off & yes I have used it on street cars & I included it with real expensive adjustable shocks & standard springs.
kiwi Rod
Genius and gutsy!
Thanks man and thanks for watching!!
Should have those welding gloves on Kiwi
Yeah you're right. It's a bad habit I've gotten into......
Mind you I did the same today, only small job tho .@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160
I can't believe you are welding that close to the jute
I wouldn't usually but it's all been seriously glued down!! Even when you tear it up it leaves a good layer behind. We did have a fire extinguisher just out of camera shot. 😬😎👍
Dude some hand shoes might serve you well...
Hand shoes, I had to think about that for minute 😂 I hate gloves man. I know I should wear some but.......
Wonderful work, as always, Kiwi. I've done similar (but not as nicely done I admit) when I couldn't find subframe connectors I liked and would trust for a '68 Torino Fastback. For those that may not know the '64-'69 Fairlane/Comet/Torino/Cyclone are BASICALLY the same setup as the 'Stang.
Thanks man, I haven't found good aftermarket connectors, typically you lose about 2 1/2" of ground clearance and they bolt in which allows the flex that you're trying to stop.....
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 Precisely, and even if you weld them in they will not do what taking a bit of time and making them will achieve. Plus there is the pride of making something better thenn you cou8ld by, at least for me as a retired due to disability body man & mechanic, though I took as much pride in they making when I worked.
Excellent method, well done.
Usual quality job, but they bolt bridges together… just a matter of how you bolt it together really isn’t it, can do the same thing with the cheapest connectors, 8 bolts, minimum of welding, doesn’t disturb the original body and you don’t even have to lift the carpet, unbolts too 😅 no doubt you can too Mr kiwi … invent me something to replace front torque boxes on a 65 that doesn’t involve torque boxes 👍
Bridges are designed to flex or they'll break. Flex is the enemy in a high performance automotive situation. A 12 point roll cage would eliminate the need for torque boxes 😬
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 Hi Kiwi, if you bolt chassis connectors through the chassis extensions you will start to Jack the chassis in long before the bolts are tight enough, ( weld thick wall tube into the chassis for the bolts to pass through )
cheap neat & reversible modification, probably more attractive than some odd blob welding method of attachment, however if your getting serious about things and intend fitting a V8 Detroit diesel or the like then your method is preferred, I watched you fit a big block into another mustang recently and you made it look easy, sure sign of genius mate 👍 as for the full cage… had one in an MGB hard top fitted, could never get back out of it un-aided 😆
Beautiful job,only way to do it. That'll stiffen it up and dissipate any torque twist nice and evenly. 👍
Cheers mate!!
You've just turned it into a full frame unibody car. Not really sure why they didn't do that to begin with. Im guessing cost had a lot to do with it. Cause the stiffer the chassis structure. The more rattles you have in the dash and whatnot if you're building cheap cars on an assembly line. Just a guess
It was and still is all about cost. Adding a torque box to the mustang cost about 4-5 bucks but they made millions of them. Save $5 each on a million cars and boom you just end added 5 million dollars to your bottom line ...... for doing less.
It's almost like you know what you are doing.
I'm starting to get it figured out now.....😁😎👍
Würth rost off penetration oil is also far superior to any others imo
Agreed!!
Kiwi, when you did the video on strengthening the torque boxes on the Barracuda, from memory, I think you indicated that beefing up the torque boxes was all that was needed ( no sub frame connectors needed) on that car , maybe I got that wrong ? .If that's the case , I imagine that would also apply to my VH Valiant? .I'd rather not have to do the sub frame connectors , if it's avoidable. Put it this way , when I used to use the bumper jack on the front, body flex was evident by the door binding on the catch .Id like to cure that.🙂
The plan was/is to put subframe connectors on the Barracuda. Creating torque boxes for the A bodies adds a lot of strength and will likely give you the improvement you're looking for. The Barracuda needs subframes to cope with the stoked out 440 it's getting. I'd try just the torque box mod on yours 😁😎👍
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 Hey, thanks for that , a 245 Hemi with a 2.92 rear end isn't going to be doing any twisting. What I'm wondering now though, is adding strength to the torque boxes going to be something the certifiers need to aprove??, you never know with them , sometimes I wonder if they know themselves. Nice work on that Fastback, they're beautiful cars.
By the way, I dont think I ever noticed that flex in my smaller A bodies , but the VH onwards are much larger, (except the Charger) that might have something to do with it.
@barrycuda3769 Probably . The VH was a bit of a tank by our standards, still I'd just start with the torque box's and see if that achieves what you're wanting.
Strictly speaking yes a certifier would need to approve it but I think if you do a nice job and keep it looking as factory as possible no one will notice it.
Awesome video!!! Thank's Kiwi...
You're welcome, glad you enjoyed it!!
You 4 linking it but keeping the leaf springs?
Seen that set up a few times on RWD Ford Escort rally cars here in the UK. Retaining the leaf springs means you don't need to fit a panhard rod or watts linkage.
This car is keeping its leaf springs for now but I do believe it will have to have a four link with over 600 HP. I may have said it was getting a four link but that was just me projecting😁😎👍
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160, I think it's already been said, but a spray bottle containing water is handy for putting out sound deadening material fires. That and a C02 extinguisher. I set my '76 Trans Am's interior on fire once, and it did not want to go out. Tried a powder extinguisher, but it kept smouldering and then re-ignited about 20 minutes later.
Only way I got it out finally was to cut out the sound deadening and chuck it out of the car.
Do you ever weld spatter the trim or glass in the classic cars you’re trying to burn up?
No, I'm careful to cover what I need to
I'm more cautious than that.
All that looks good to me
Thanks man,glad you enjoyed it!!
Is there any issue with welding them in on a lift? I had always been told subframe connectors are supposed to be installed with the weight of the car on the wheels.
I use Jack stands under the front and rear of the car when it's on the lift to stop the sag that you get. That's a good point though, I probably should of mentioned/showed that 😎👍
Kiwi ! Love your show. I’m out in So. California, I’m looking for a 60’s Mustang, not sure if you know anyone out here ? Thanks Brother 👍
Not with a mustang unfortunately. You should be able to find a nice dry rust free one out there though😎👍. I did a quick video on 6 key rust spots on early mustang a couple of years back. That might be helpfull
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 Thanks Brother !
In a lower-powered application, say 300 hp….will the connectors make a noticeable difference?
Connectors also improve the way the car handles through the turns. That aspect is not affected by the HP. The other thing they do is to contain torsional loads on hard launches, 300hp is not going to generate a lot of "twist" in the car. If you have 600hp you get a double pay off, control of twist and the improvement in cornering.
Kiwi,
Are you doing this to stiffen the ride? What was the status of the original frame as I think I seen one of yours or Uncle Tony’s with a 68 Mustang with a rotted frame that was muddled up.
Yes, to stiffen the frame as the Stroker FE motor is making over 600hp..... this car is a very solid car, not the one you're thinking of.
That will be heaps stronger and stiffer
Yes it will!! I've done a lot of mustangs this way and it works well, very well ! 😎👍
Always a pleasure watching skilled craftsmen doing things at such a top shelf level . Well deserving of upper level fees & more than just one cold one .
Thanks man !! Glad you enjoyed it!
I'm not sure if they built Sherman Tanks that solid....
LOL. That's funny!
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 Hopefully not true, but they sure were junk comparatively speaking...
@@boilerroomed3682 really? Famous as tanks go....
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 More the name and big numbers of them built then the actual quality compared to the other side. Of course transportability was also an issue, for OUR side.
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 Also, they were gasoline engine powered, as in fire traps!
Any problem if i pop in after my next Drs appointment in a few months? Love to meet you and just say hello. ✌️
Not at all, come on by.
What engine is going in Kiwi?? 385 series!!
A stroker FE. Over 600hp
Do you do any gas welding??? I find brazing and gas welding useful at times.
I haven't gas welded in years!! Between the mig and the Tig it's all I use these days. It's all about what your comfortable with 😎👍
Barge news please? 😧😧😧
Power steering kit just arrived for her!
That ought to handle 600 HP.
Yes Sir !!! Got em in mine with 750/750 HP/Torque
Be better more drivable with Barra and ZF.
Hard to talk an American into a six banger mate😁😎👍
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160Lol, us yanks like our engines 8 cylinders at a time! 😎
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 But boost solves all problems. (That said I'd still take a 265 E49 over a 318/360... 😉)
Oh hell yes!!!
If ford had built these cars properlyyou wouldn't hafe to do all this bodgy modification instead of building the fastest car thay cheaped out and built the lightest car(i hate mustangs)😂😂😂😂😂
Some truth to that but to be fair the design mandate wasn't " must be able to cope with up to 600 HP " Then there's the bean counters whose only joy in life is a healthy bottom line. Love them or hate them there's no getting away from the fact that they're a truly iconic car..... cheers mate😎👍