Earliest "recording" in music history! - 220 year old Joseph Haydn Organ
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Amazing how much tech there actually WAS in the 1700s. Kind of blows my mind honestly.
That museum dude loves what he's doing, happy for him
He seems like a really cool bloke to take a beer with as well! I'd love to meet him 😅
Had the same thought. Hope that for me too !!
That museum guide has the most wonderful job on earth!
He's bored
I like how you can see how proud Joost is of the music box!
The Haydn Organ is a fascinating piece of music and history. The market organ looks very cool, but I think I know now where the expression "grind on one's ears" came from! So happy Music Machine Mondays are back! I really missed the series.
what a pleasant way to awaken..to hear that
Quite incredible. The upper bellows act as the storage vessel, like bagpipes. A beautiful piece.
The Curator of Spelklok Museum is fantastic. Also, 5 seconds after he started playing the bad machine my dog left the room :)
The heavens have opened up once again! Can't wait to see you in dallas!
This has been such a treat, this series. Thank you so much for sharing not only your musical talent with the world with the wonderful marble machine, but this museum which inspired you. You would make the most phenomenal music teacher ever! Many thanks and God bless you from Texas...
Does that mean that we'll get a new video about MMX on Wednesday? :)
Most likely.
Let's hope so, I'm pretty excited :D
Me too, verry excited on MMX than this.
no
No :-(
I missed you :') Welcome back Wintergatan
I'm amazed he was able to resist leaning on that priceless piece of musical history.
Yay! So glad for my Wintergatan fix. 😻😻😻
WTF is a Wintergaten?
Schwallex + me misspelling. Thanks for bringing it to my attention
@@Maeglin7936 and gave us presents!
Joosts laugh at 8:10 was the most adorable thing ever
Yeah. You don't see a Dutchman do that too often, that's for sure....
And you know it's because he's heard what Martin's talking about LOL
That grimmace at 7:37. Perfection.
An unending torture.
The uncertainty in his eyes
I am really happy to have your videos back... I missed it...
Wonderful! I have an LP (Candide CE 31093, 1974) with even older "recordings". E.g.,
More Haydn, from clocks of 1792 & 1793 (Niemecz)
Small plucked Keyboard (Ottavino) from 1640(!!!)
An earlier Niemecz Haydn clock from 1772 is also mentioned in the liner notes.
Remarkable musical documents all around...
Could you tell us the name of the recording so we could try to search for it?
A tie, Love how you to get along and become friends and show the spirit of "I want to make all this knowledge digital for next 2-3 decades"
It’s been a while, man. Good to see you again!
Please!! Makes more music!! Your music is literally enabling me to pass my classes, it is amazing!
That's awesome you guys restored that! What strange music they liked back then...
Even if my train is too late for over half an hour I‘m happy because I‘m watching this!!
"Vampires have a lot of money... they live for a long time." Until now I never considered the SIGNIFICANT long term financial benefits of holding a savings account as a vampire.
I thought of the benefits of being a vampire as a musician/artist ever since I saw that Tom Cruise movie ...INTERVIEW W/ A ....
07:20- that's basically a tiny version Gavioli fairground organ. Those tiny trumpets might not be to everybody's taste, but they have character!
We grew up with an original gavioli at our actual seaside fairground, it was so good, when you're 10 is a miracle
And it wasnt the only fairgrounds organ there!
It's known at the Southsea Gavioli.
After the sea air had finished eating it alive (yep) it was restored and lives at the Great Dorset Steam Fair.
(those tiny trumpets are very much to my taste although they could do with a good tuning and, they sound reeded? New reeds)
Those of you saying Hayden is bad you have to remember that this was recorded over almost 200 years ago and in the same way video quality will make or break a channel audio quality will do the same I am a vocalist and he is just as good of not better than some of us are and that was almost 200 years ago which is an INCREDIBLE feat.
Nice! Have been waiting for this! Welcome back.
For the market organ, I think the idea is they would play it, and if you went to the stand and bought something, they would stop playing it for a bit :-D
Brant Wedel Actually some of the early small street organ grinders who did not maintain their instruments so well had the same idea... they would stay and play somewhere until someone paid them to move away! This, of course, contributed towards the negative image of organ grinders.
Listening to that Haydn machine kinda gave me goosebumps. It sounded very nice :)
That's it, a new vid I've been waiting for!
Humanly unplayable music. Makes me think of that appegiator from that little synth in the track "Valentine". We are still fascinated by the same stuff today.
There was another player recorder machine made by Faber in England which also played Hayden and was seen and heard by Chopin personally who writes the following in 1846:
"À propos of inventions, here is ... Mr. Faber, in London (a professor of mathematics), a mechanician, has exhibited a very ingenious automaton, which he calls Euphonia, and which pronounces fairly clearly not one or two words, but long sentences, and, still more surprising, sings an air of Hayden and 'God save the Queen'." (Chopin's letter Sunday, 11 October 1846)
That poor market organ sounds as if it needs a lot of love.
7:45 “honey the geese are dying again”
Great to see a new video!
In 1986, the record company Erato published an LP of recordings of a barrel organ from the 18th century. The evidence is conclusive that the organ reproduced exactly the playing of John-Christopher Smith (1712-1795), who was Handel's closest assistant and his successor as organist at the "Foundling Hospital." There are two of Handel's Organ Concerti on this record, plus several smaller pieces of Handel's, as well as some English folk songs. It stands to reason that these barrel organ pieces were made while Handel was still popular -- who would buy such an expensive mechanical invention to play music that was no longer in fashion? So perhaps these organ recordings really predate the Haydn. In any case, I have this LP, and can testify that the style of playing is high baroque with a great deal of ornamentation.
YAY! Welcome back and thanks for another interesting Monday video.
When I first heard the pipe music I thought 'Well ain't that a mean little ditty!?' thinking that they totally rocked out to it. I then realised I needed to slow the video down as watch a lot of things at 1.25x to cram more viewing in haha.
It's got a savage rhythm at 1.25x speed tho. Could do with an 808 drum loop to underpin it's power!
Yeah there is more going on with that rhythm than I can understand. It reminds me when I saw a docu, and also a lecture and demo, of how early german dances were lost as a living tradition, but some of the rare forms are still preserved as a living tradition that is being used today in Mexican music. Living in TX, I hear that a lot on the radio, and that is definitely what the rhythm and even inflection and style reminds me of.
Haydn wouldn't have been present during the pinning process as that could have taken over a week! It is conceivable that he would have listened to the resulting music and given his approval. If he hadn't he may not have been paid.
Good to see you back
No mention of William Malloch - Or, did I miss it? When I met him in '64 he was established in Los Angeles as a composer, musician, musicologist, had a weekly program on KPFK and was artistic director of the Ojai Music Fesitival. But, the relevant fact here is that he spent a lot of time traveling in Europe studying musical clocks or music boxes for the purpose of establishing the intended tempo of various music of past eras. I think his work resulted in restoration of many such mechanical devices, possibly he was directly involved in that work. He then recorded some great versions of well known pieces making use of the knowledge, one of which was the Bach orchestral suites. Malloch died about 1996. I have to assume his research was published somewhere.
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What musicologist said this was too fast?! It's written Minuet Allegretto. It's a very appropriate tempo.
Those musicologists who suffer from extreme cognitive dissonance and those who are used to 19th century "gemütlich" interpretations of classical minuets.
I wonder what Joost showed Martin in that box...
Maybe it's Marcellus Wallace's soul?
Maybe the pin cylinder ..?
^ this cimment
I think it were the organ pipes.
The small man he keeps in there to play all the instruments.
Yeeey you are back
Yes, finally I was waiting for it
I loved it! Thanks for the share! Cheers to you from Oregon! I especially like your music and mixes! (And yes) what an exhilarating tempo.
Thank you Wintergatan for your astonishing, unique musicality and equally rare mechanical genius. You are in the league of artistic immortals.
This is fascinating!
The piece is the 3rd movement of Haydn's Symphony No 101. Its nickname is "The Clock", and I'm guessing that's no accident for a "clock organ". Joost mentioned six other available "tracks" --- I bet one of them was the famous 2nd movement, with its steady ticking rhythm, which gave the symphony its nickname!
In the matter of "music recording", perhaps we should define our terms. In a way, a music score is a recording of the music. These devices and piano rolls are recordings of performances of music. The phonograph gave us recordings of the sound of performances.
ya know, if you guys did a full length 20min, 30min show, I would totally watch it.
I love this so much
Astounding! An engineering miracle 220 years ago. Thanks for this posting.
I was inspired to visit this place in Utrecht just from these Video's and was lucky to get a tour from Joost himself. A great afternoon out. And cool to see Marble Machine up close.
As a classical musician and lover of classical music and history I feel I should be focusing on the organ. Handsome Joost is, unfortunately, making that very difficult.
What a privilege to be able to experience (as much as possible) manuscript recording of one of the great masters of music!
Amazing Work of reconstruction!
Loved the second one 🎉☺️ And to my taste as well the Haydn piece seemed a bit too fast ... and I was happy about the explanation!
Awesome love that Museum, wish I could visit. Maybe Someday. Thanks for the videos.
Yay, you're finally back :)
This museum its fascinating.
Yay! You're back!
That is awesome!
That’s so cool!!
Thank you for providing us with such interesting videos! :)
I LOVE Music Machine Mondays!
Yiiiee, I missed you. Welcome back!
Amazing, thanks for showing.
beatiful i love it
Great video, glad you're still going!
P. S. Just spotted a little Limonaire fairground organ at 0:25 in the background!
Man I love these videos
Joost ist just the cutest 😍
I woud like if we had to study about these instruments ans machines at school
Woo-hoo, Martin's back!
Long time no see!! ;)
Its not a recording! but a interpretation by an instrument played like the composer likes!
Something I cant wait for is... Another series of you exploring weird and wonderful musical instruments. This is an underrated series. Wrap them up and
I remember playing that 220 years ago. Good times.
Back on track. Cool stuff! Thanks!
Sweet! :)
And that lower class organ at the end...LLLOOLLL!!! XD not that I can make one any better but still LLLOOLLLL!!!
Probably a bit of a leap to say that Hayden caused it to be exactly as he wanted. Trying to edit the cylinder to render a perfect performance ... not really going to happen. I imagine if he listened he went "That's pretty good. Sort of sounds like the tune." and left it at that.
thats why they said they're not shure. they have data that sugests the mentioned hypothesis but no confirmation
ALL artists eventually have to stop at "ok, good enough" or they will never stop fiddling at all. But given how VERY fiddly and expensive clockwork was... and how very carefully this particular clock was made - Hayden probably got those 7 tunes up to the same standard as his other songs.
Wow! So cool...
Ik hou van Nederland en Haydn ook! Fantastisch!
yayy
Ok, I know these were recorded a while back and I know it's aaaaall about the music machines but is there any little, tiny chance to get to know a little bit more about Joost & Lois and what their relationship to music is? Because I am assuming they're not just holed up in a museum day in and out and don't care about music outside of it. :)
The speelklok museum really has really competent guides :-)
Just noticed the dogbone fillets in the background. 👌 Such an underrated feature.
This was awesome to see
Long time no see,it's really good to be back.
Estatic to know that there is a new video ! :D
Nice to see you back. I think the market organ would sound better with 'The Dance of the Cuckoos'; especially a reggae version.
Merci !
New vid :D
omg the original doot box!!!
Yay! You have been missed!
I'm really sure he sprays spit all over the exhibit at the end while laughing :D
Wonderful piece of music history 🎼 ❤
While all of this is genuinely fascinating... what is the synthesised music at the very end? It got me going!
They open the box but do not show us , so curious how it was in it
Yeah, not really their style. Wonder what happened there.
It was probably a large rotating wooden wheel with a lot of pegs put into to control the notes like on the other organ. The two organs basically run off the same concept, but one was relatively cheap and the other was very expensive.
Please play/record the Winkel cylinder organ shown in the background at 8:07, in the white cabinet with the arched windows. That’s my favorite instrument in the entire museum, and I think the musical arrangements are fantastic and truly evocative of the classical music era. The rubato is so wonderful. The track on the museum CD of it playing the "Magic Flute" music by Mozart is so wonderful.
This is SO cool! I never knew Haydn did anything like that! And he worked for vampires?? Well, even if he didn't that is still amazing!