I'd love to hear about the Pauper banlist. I know there are many old commons banned because they seem to have an effect on the game more like rares, but the rarities weren't as consistent back then
When you said Black Lotus was the second most expensive card, I thought you meant 1996 World Champion. Didn't realize that The One Ring promo had sold for 2mil.
I can't remember if you've talked about Ante cards before, but since all ante cards are banned in all formats, a section about that madness would be fun to listen to.
Ante is gambling. WotC can't sell packs to kids with blatant gambling mechanics. That is what lottery cards are for. They can get away with that legally. End of video.
PrimeTime isn't just about ramp. It is the fact that lands are extremely powerful now and Primeval Titan tutors 2 and puts them DIRECTLY on to the battlefield on ETB and on attack.
PrimeTime is stupidly efficient at setting up land based combos. Unlike most other types of land tutors it can not only pull any 2 lands with no restriction on type it also puts them directly into play. Most other land tutors get either any type of land to hand or gets specific types (usually ones with a named basic land type) into play.
It’s broken but even the most broken stuff (field of the dead + vesuva/thespian stage + dark depths) are often less threatening than something like the immediate ramp of a dockside or something. Ramp is whatever, it’s the instant mana to combo off and win that scares me more than a giant flyer or a billion zombies. Not that I think it’s particularly fair or balanced, but like… there’s stuff around this bad getting played.
Honestly, the most nonsensical thing about Primeval Titan isn't that it had at the time one of the best ETBs ever printed (remember that Zendikar was in Standard at time of printing and didn't rotate for over a full year), it's not that it doesn't limit you to basics, it's not even that the ETB is also an on attack stapled to a 6/6. It's the fact that despite all of this, it got printed in TWO CONSECUTIVE CORE SETS. Like, it's a bit ridiculous that it even saw print at the time, it was nearly a $50 card on print because of how incredible it was in Standard, but for them to go right on ahead and sign up for round two? Incredible. I cracked one at an M12 prerelease and it paid for my entry and then some.
I agree, it's not so much that it gets you two-to-four lands a turn for six mana thats gamebreaking, its that once this card is out, it becomes a game of hot potato between the players who can steal or copy primetime and the chumps who have to sit out of the game watching everyone else play, its more unfun than outright busted. Also field of the dead turns primetime into a better grave titan which is the funniest thing to me
Titania's command is better on the turn you cast it. That being said, Primeval Titan has all the upsides of a creature. I for one think you can do far worse at 6 mana and many do. I feel like a bolas citadel for example is way more powerful in most decks.
"It's hard to explain why Time Walk is so good" Is it really? "Taking turns" is arguably the most universlly understood game mechanic in human history. I've never played a game of Magic in my life, but I played Uno against my dad when I was 5 and even then I understood that the "Skip" card was awesome because it let me go again.
you should consider "Best Silver-Bordered/Un-set Commanders", bc some tabled rule zero that stuff and there are some really stupid good ones like Surgeon General Commander, Grusilda Monster Masher, Stet Dragonic Proofreader, and Baron Von Count and X being the more infamous ones
As someone who built around surgeon general commander myself. the card is so absurd with a mutate package its great! and my gamestore loves it and everyone lets me play it too.@@jamesmackes4531
Failed Cards & Mechanics: Ante. I just find it intrinsically interesting as a concept because of how fundamentally dissimilar it is to anything in any other game I've ever played (because why would anyone ever want to repeat ante.)
You find gambling mechanics to be interesting? Lol. Too bad for WotC that they can't sell gambling mechanics to children without dressing it up better. It's not deep. They wanted to sell packs to kids and not get sued.
Nice video! I love seeing you continuing a format :D Proposal for another video: "Life gain non-you-win Payoffs" For instance, "Vona, Butcher of Magan " wants you to gain life in order to spend 7 life a turn (tap) to blow up a permanent. It is a less obvious payoff than the staple "Archangel of Thune". Also, "Aetherflux Reservoir" is another well known lifegain payoff. Expensive pauper/commander/modern/etc and why they costs so much
Paradox engine is legal in historic brawl and it's an absolute nightmare to face. While the mana rocks are worse and there is no scepter, it usually ends up in non-deterministic resource piling that just casts your entire deck, which manually doing takes forever
I think a video/series covering the various magic formats (from standard, to modern, to pioneer, to commander) both in their rules and why/how they originated would be pretty interesting!
I remember one time, I had an opening hand with sylvan primordial, reanimate, and a swamp. Skipped my first mana drop, pitched primordial to the graveyard, then cast reanimate turn 2 blasting 3 lands. Good times
I would love a short addition to the next video, where you cover the only 5 cards that are banned in Pauper Commander, a subsection of Commander with Pauper in the 99, and your Commander being any common or uncommon creature. For Multiplayer, there is Mystic Remora and Rhystic Study, and for 1v1, there is Agent of the Shadow Thieves, Loyal Apprentice, and Oubliette. I don't think you would need to explain much for Mystic Remora and Rhystic Study, but the other 3 might be a bit confusing for watcher who don't play the format.
I remember watching a video talking about Choas Orb for cube draft and everyone agreed that it could stay in as a 2 man artifact that had (1) Sacrifice Chaos Orb: Destroy Target Non-Token Permanent, instead of its dexterity effect. Which I think would be a cool work around for it. It would certainly be a powerful card but I don't think it would be so powerful that it would warp the format or games around it. If anything I think this would be a cool retrain for Chaos Orb for the Commander format.
I feel like that would be way too strong as a piece of colorless removal. Normally destroying any type of permanent is restricted to colored cards, often even multicolored cards (like Vindicate).
@@UnuUO Artifacts have plenty of 'destroy any perm' type effects but they often come costed high to do so. Even things like Universal Solvent & Goblin Firebomb costs a total of 8 to pop any perm (Both cost 1 to cast, 7 to activate). So a Chaos Orb retrain would need to be along those lines unless they REALLY just want to say 'fuck balance' and make a universal colorless removal option into every single deck forever more by printing a retrain at 2 to cast, 1 to activate.
Chaos Orb, and Falling star are legal in Old School. They have just been errated to where you select (Not target) 1 card to flip for, and you have to land touching that card.
Many of these cards were restricted, or out right banned in any constructed format 30 years ago. I guess not having them accessible in most tournament formats for 12 years. That people thought that these cards needed to be given another chance. Then, made another announcement in 2005 confirming what was already known in 1993.
*2000* dollars for one card?! Hell no, I don't care if it could win the game as soon as I drew it, I'm not spending a down payment on a goddamn car for one card.
Primeval Titan's main issue is that utility lands are a thing. Sylvan Primordial at least forces you to find Forests, but Titan can get ANY lands. One or two triggers of that thing and the game is just over.
I am honestly interested what you think would close out the game for having four nonbasic lands tutored out. I would honestly unban the card if it was up to me.
There's some cards that I feel like should seem obvious aren't something you run at a casual table. But then again, the more time I spend online the more I have to realize there's SO many people out there who have incredibly poor card assessment skills and don't seem to grasp WHY a card is powerful. So I'm not entirely surprised people would run some nutty cards and still think they're deck is casual. However, running high powered cards for some silly/fringe strategies that are in an otherwise pretty 'bad' deck isn't exactly a problem in most cases. Bottom line for me is WHY the card in question is included. If the answer is 'so I win' then that person is probably not casual. If it's 'so I can make this specific few, inconsistent and dumb interactions happen for a hilarious pay off' then it's clear to see that person is a casual God. XD
Paradox Engine shouild be unbanned. I absolutely have a good gameplay reason for this and it's not just because I have a Masterpiece version of it that is now about 20% of its prebanning price. No siree!
Not sure why you also didn’t touch upon the accessibility issues of the dexterity cards. That’s a huge reason why the commander committee also banned them. They separate people into players that can move and stand vs those that can’t and wouldn’t even be able to use the cards as written. There’s a lot of disabled or accessibility limited players in magic and that’s a reason why this trend didn’t continue too
I took half a look at paradox engine and realized it should remain banned forever. how is anyone arguing it can be unbanned? it's essentially unlimited mana with a half decent board.
There is absolutely 0 reason for prime time or engine to come back to the format. I dont know about you but i am not a fan of watching another player basically solitaire while i twidle my thumbs because i didnt have interaction the turn it came down mah screw that card needs to stay gone. Prime time is self explanatory. The fact it gets ANY 2 lands is busted beyond belief. Gaea's cradle, field of the dead, serras sanctum, thespian stage + dark depths, less powerful maze's end, and thats just off the top of my head. This card makes land combos, which already very annoying to interact with anyway, that much easier to do. And as someone else said the majority of land tutors can only get basics or bad lands or are a one time effect that is harder to clone like hour of promise. In a vaccum primetime is better than dockside because theres always a chance your opponents have 0 artifacts and enchantments in play when you cast it, its miniscule, but theres a chance. Prime time will always net you 2 permanent mana. Cards way too good for the format
in casual commander, rhystic study is better than ancestral recall, because no one ever pay the tax, i have had so many games were i pay tha tax every time, and the rhystic study player still get much more than 10 cards, i would say than they should unban ancestral, and ban rhystic, but i know that that woukd be to broken in cEDH
"The Rules Committee didn't want EDH to feel like a luxury format that only wealthy people can afford to play" at one point, apparently? What was it like playing MTG back in those halcyon days? Christ's sake, last time I played EDH I played with someone who told me I was cheating because I'd proxied some of my deck, but wouldn't concede that MTG is a pay to play/win game.
Yeah, the ramp is secondary to being able to tutor ANY 2 lands directly on the battlefield. Field of the dead, coffers, urborg, glacial chasm, etc are all so busted when you can tutor them out like that
I was also wondering that comment. The reserve list is something WotC made to not upset people (*cof* speculators *cof*) by reprinting those very expensive cards making their value plummet. It's in no way legally binding, if they wished so they would reprint them (In fact, they have already done so with their own "oficial proxies"...) and nobody could take legal action. Wotc would face a lot of backlash from those people who hoard those cards because they would be "breaking their word", when maybe they shouldn't be investing on fucking cardboard.
It's also funny because they JUST reprinted the entirity of Alpha/Beta when they did the 30th anniversary fiasco where they charged absolutely insane prices for what weren't even tournament legal cards (Essentially officially produced proxies, akin to the tournament decks they used to release). So the idea they couldn't have been reprinting, at the very least, official 'novelty' versions of reserved list cards all this time is total shit and WOTC knows it. Only those who 'invest' in Magic have any desire for the OG prints of those cards. The majority of actual players just want official prints of said iconic pieces of Magic history, tournament legality being a non-factor.
Primal Titan isn't banned because it ramps, it's banned because it grabs ANY 2 lands in your deck. Coffers + Urborg, Dark Depths + Thespian's Stage, etc. Sylvan Primordial is banned because it's a flickerable 6-for-1, you ramp 3 lands but you always destroy 3 permanents your opponents' control. The ramp is secondary in both of these cases.
Sylvan's ramp is just a bonus but it's a similar reason why Sundering Titan was banned. Being able to flicker + get so much destruction value is far too good.
This is just a children's card game. You can and probably should play ante, racism, dexterity, custom and uncards with your friends and store regularly.
I've never heard anybody mention the "Color Pie" when why these cards were banned. I feel like whomever writes these scripts just makes random stuff up at times.
@@speurtighearnamacterik8230 Infinite mana with Ghostly Flicker, with a third piece like Impact Tremors it also kills your opponents, then you can replace Ghostly Flicker with Displace and similar to still burn, but without generating mana. A much better example would be Godo, who both tutors his second combo piece and wins the game while being nowhere near as strong as certain non-infinite combos involving Thoracle. My point is that there are many infinite combos, their pieces are oftentimes parts of fair strategies (Agent Abdel, Tivit) and banning them is not a solution if they aren't that strong anyways.
After finishing the Commander banlist, could you please cover the history of the Pauper banlist?
Please!!
I'd love to hear about the Pauper banlist. I know there are many old commons banned because they seem to have an effect on the game more like rares, but the rarities weren't as consistent back then
When you said Black Lotus was the second most expensive card, I thought you meant 1996 World Champion. Didn't realize that The One Ring promo had sold for 2mil.
I'd love to see videos on the Pauper ban list
I can't remember if you've talked about Ante cards before, but since all ante cards are banned in all formats, a section about that madness would be fun to listen to.
Ante is gambling. WotC can't sell packs to kids with blatant gambling mechanics. That is what lottery cards are for. They can get away with that legally. End of video.
@@ameliaward7429 I am relieved to hear that MtG contains no gambling
PrimeTime isn't just about ramp. It is the fact that lands are extremely powerful now and Primeval Titan tutors 2 and puts them DIRECTLY on to the battlefield on ETB and on attack.
PrimeTime is stupidly efficient at setting up land based combos. Unlike most other types of land tutors it can not only pull any 2 lands with no restriction on type it also puts them directly into play.
Most other land tutors get either any type of land to hand or gets specific types (usually ones with a named basic land type) into play.
It’s broken but even the most broken stuff (field of the dead + vesuva/thespian stage + dark depths) are often less threatening than something like the immediate ramp of a dockside or something. Ramp is whatever, it’s the instant mana to combo off and win that scares me more than a giant flyer or a billion zombies.
Not that I think it’s particularly fair or balanced, but like… there’s stuff around this bad getting played.
Honestly, the most nonsensical thing about Primeval Titan isn't that it had at the time one of the best ETBs ever printed (remember that Zendikar was in Standard at time of printing and didn't rotate for over a full year), it's not that it doesn't limit you to basics, it's not even that the ETB is also an on attack stapled to a 6/6.
It's the fact that despite all of this, it got printed in TWO CONSECUTIVE CORE SETS. Like, it's a bit ridiculous that it even saw print at the time, it was nearly a $50 card on print because of how incredible it was in Standard, but for them to go right on ahead and sign up for round two? Incredible. I cracked one at an M12 prerelease and it paid for my entry and then some.
I agree, it's not so much that it gets you two-to-four lands a turn for six mana thats gamebreaking, its that once this card is out, it becomes a game of hot potato between the players who can steal or copy primetime and the chumps who have to sit out of the game watching everyone else play, its more unfun than outright busted. Also field of the dead turns primetime into a better grave titan which is the funniest thing to me
Titania's command is better on the turn you cast it. That being said, Primeval Titan has all the upsides of a creature. I for one think you can do far worse at 6 mana and many do. I feel like a bolas citadel for example is way more powerful in most decks.
"It's hard to explain why Time Walk is so good"
Is it really? "Taking turns" is arguably the most universlly understood game mechanic in human history. I've never played a game of Magic in my life, but I played Uno against my dad when I was 5 and even then I understood that the "Skip" card was awesome because it let me go again.
Explore is a time walk
@@AT-il2ejexplore doesn’t untap all of your lands
@@AT-il2ejalso an extra combat
@@DiscardatRandom extra upkeep too for enchantment decks
you should consider "Best Silver-Bordered/Un-set Commanders", bc some tabled rule zero that stuff and there are some really stupid good ones like Surgeon General Commander, Grusilda Monster Masher, Stet Dragonic Proofreader, and Baron Von Count and X being the more infamous ones
As someone who built around surgeon general commander myself. the card is so absurd with a mutate package its great! and my gamestore loves it and everyone lets me play it too.@@jamesmackes4531
There aren't that many of them. Surgeon General Commander was specifically designed as a commander.
Failed Cards & Mechanics: Ante. I just find it intrinsically interesting as a concept because of how fundamentally dissimilar it is to anything in any other game I've ever played (because why would anyone ever want to repeat ante.)
You find gambling mechanics to be interesting? Lol. Too bad for WotC that they can't sell gambling mechanics to children without dressing it up better. It's not deep. They wanted to sell packs to kids and not get sued.
In the same way that terrible movies can be interesting, yes.
Nice video! I love seeing you continuing a format :D
Proposal for another video:
"Life gain non-you-win Payoffs"
For instance, "Vona, Butcher of Magan " wants you to gain life in order to spend 7 life a turn (tap) to blow up a permanent.
It is a less obvious payoff than the staple "Archangel of Thune".
Also, "Aetherflux Reservoir" is another well known lifegain payoff.
Expensive pauper/commander/modern/etc and why they costs so much
Do the history of the Vintage ban list. That one's rather interesting IMO.
Paradox engine is legal in historic brawl and it's an absolute nightmare to face. While the mana rocks are worse and there is no scepter, it usually ends up in non-deterministic resource piling that just casts your entire deck, which manually doing takes forever
I would love to see a Pauper Banlist series
Top 10 funniest Gatherer Rulings (E.g. Jadelight Ranger, Nissa's Encouragement, Void Winnower)
I love Lynde's
I think a video/series covering the various magic formats (from standard, to modern, to pioneer, to commander) both in their rules and why/how they originated would be pretty interesting!
It's so odd hearing that Black Lotus is no longer the most expensive MTG card ever printed.
The most MTG card ever printed
@@kamikazebanzai1005 f*** I forgot to put expensive, this is what happens when you don't get much sleep.
@@CaptainB1994 It may not be the most expensive anymore, but it do be the most MTG card ever printed in our hearts.
@@MsMiDC I can 100% agree with you on that.
Artificial Scarcity is a helluva drug...
I remember one time, I had an opening hand with sylvan primordial, reanimate, and a swamp. Skipped my first mana drop, pitched primordial to the graveyard, then cast reanimate turn 2 blasting 3 lands.
Good times
I would love a short addition to the next video, where you cover the only 5 cards that are banned in Pauper Commander, a subsection of Commander with Pauper in the 99, and your Commander being any common or uncommon creature. For Multiplayer, there is Mystic Remora and Rhystic Study, and for 1v1, there is Agent of the Shadow Thieves, Loyal Apprentice, and Oubliette. I don't think you would need to explain much for Mystic Remora and Rhystic Study, but the other 3 might be a bit confusing for watcher who don't play the format.
Black lotus now being the second most expensive magic card in existence is wild
As far as other formats for banned list exploration, I would say Vintage or Pioneer would be fun
I remember watching a video talking about Choas Orb for cube draft and everyone agreed that it could stay in as a 2 man artifact that had (1) Sacrifice Chaos Orb: Destroy Target Non-Token Permanent, instead of its dexterity effect. Which I think would be a cool work around for it. It would certainly be a powerful card but I don't think it would be so powerful that it would warp the format or games around it. If anything I think this would be a cool retrain for Chaos Orb for the Commander format.
I feel like that would be way too strong as a piece of colorless removal. Normally destroying any type of permanent is restricted to colored cards, often even multicolored cards (like Vindicate).
@@UnuUO Artifacts have plenty of 'destroy any perm' type effects but they often come costed high to do so. Even things like Universal Solvent & Goblin Firebomb costs a total of 8 to pop any perm (Both cost 1 to cast, 7 to activate).
So a Chaos Orb retrain would need to be along those lines unless they REALLY just want to say 'fuck balance' and make a universal colorless removal option into every single deck forever more by printing a retrain at 2 to cast, 1 to activate.
Chaos Orb, and Falling star are legal in Old School. They have just been errated to where you select (Not target) 1 card to flip for, and you have to land touching that card.
Many of these cards were restricted, or out right banned in any constructed format 30 years ago. I guess not having them accessible in most tournament formats for 12 years. That people thought that these cards needed to be given another chance. Then, made another announcement in 2005 confirming what was already known in 1993.
I never thought that black lotus would take the place of "second most expensive magic card"
I want the moxs to be reprinted then unbanned because it would absolutely hysterical.
How about a series about the Draft format?
Considering most cards nowadays are designed for it, I think it's worth talking about.
Standard banned cards would be a quick video. It could also be temade if another busted set like Throne of Eldraine comes out.
*2000* dollars for one card?! Hell no, I don't care if it could win the game as soon as I drew it, I'm not spending a down payment on a goddamn car for one card.
Just wait until you find out how much Black Lotus costs.
And its the *second* most expensive card somehow.@@xXSamir44Xx
I'd like to see Extended covered
Pauper banlist series next?
Maybe do a video on all the cards that are overpowered in commander like hullbreaker horror
engige's ban hurted diversity in cedh at the time
What is the song that's start at 3:00 ? Can't get it out of my head
Primeval Titan's main issue is that utility lands are a thing. Sylvan Primordial at least forces you to find Forests, but Titan can get ANY lands. One or two triggers of that thing and the game is just over.
I am honestly interested what you think would close out the game for having four nonbasic lands tutored out. I would honestly unban the card if it was up to me.
Oathbreaker, or do DEEP historical cuts on Extended and Block Constructed.
Def the pauper ban list
So the "What is Casual?" debate never dies. Only grows worse.
There's some cards that I feel like should seem obvious aren't something you run at a casual table. But then again, the more time I spend online the more I have to realize there's SO many people out there who have incredibly poor card assessment skills and don't seem to grasp WHY a card is powerful. So I'm not entirely surprised people would run some nutty cards and still think they're deck is casual.
However, running high powered cards for some silly/fringe strategies that are in an otherwise pretty 'bad' deck isn't exactly a problem in most cases. Bottom line for me is WHY the card in question is included. If the answer is 'so I win' then that person is probably not casual. If it's 'so I can make this specific few, inconsistent and dumb interactions happen for a hilarious pay off' then it's clear to see that person is a casual God. XD
@@TaskMaster5 Two paragraphs and no clear stance. Pretty much sums up every Forum and Community Post since around 2001.
So glad you’re doing magic. Yugioh is so broken it’s not even fun anymore.
What's going on in YGO. The last time I checked, Tearlaments was the most dominant thing
@@Atmapalazzooh immediately after that you had Kashtira banish zone locking
Isochron Scepter is just instants. No sorceries. ☝️
Ancestral recall is definitely better than timewalk, lol.
Amazing!!!°°
Getting 5 or more treasures from Dockside? I wish.
Paradox Engine shouild be unbanned. I absolutely have a good gameplay reason for this and it's not just because I have a Masterpiece version of it that is now about 20% of its prebanning price. No siree!
turns and drawing scale with the game itself. the stronger the game gets, the stronger draw and turns become.
Not sure why you also didn’t touch upon the accessibility issues of the dexterity cards. That’s a huge reason why the commander committee also banned them. They separate people into players that can move and stand vs those that can’t and wouldn’t even be able to use the cards as written. There’s a lot of disabled or accessibility limited players in magic and that’s a reason why this trend didn’t continue too
He did, briefly. That part is pretty straightforward, but the effect they have on board building isnt.
Maybe the pioneer banlist?
Its depressing the most expensive magic card isnt even something from magic anymore.
That’s a special way to spell extremely
Top 10 five card cycle
I took half a look at paradox engine and realized it should remain banned forever.
how is anyone arguing it can be unbanned? it's essentially unlimited mana with a half decent board.
Black Lotus is no longer the most expensive card....The One Ring Serialized sold for $2M lmao
I do not understand how paradox engine is still legal in HB on arena. It’s ridiculous.
Banning primeval titan is just ridiculous. Unban it right now
There is absolutely 0 reason for prime time or engine to come back to the format. I dont know about you but i am not a fan of watching another player basically solitaire while i twidle my thumbs because i didnt have interaction the turn it came down mah screw that card needs to stay gone.
Prime time is self explanatory.
The fact it gets ANY 2 lands is busted beyond belief. Gaea's cradle, field of the dead, serras sanctum, thespian stage + dark depths, less powerful maze's end, and thats just off the top of my head. This card makes land combos, which already very annoying to interact with anyway, that much easier to do. And as someone else said the majority of land tutors can only get basics or bad lands or are a one time effect that is harder to clone like hour of promise.
In a vaccum primetime is better than dockside because theres always a chance your opponents have 0 artifacts and enchantments in play when you cast it, its miniscule, but theres a chance. Prime time will always net you 2 permanent mana. Cards way too good for the format
in casual commander, rhystic study is better than ancestral recall, because no one ever pay the tax, i have had so many games were i pay tha tax every time, and the rhystic study player still get much more than 10 cards, i would say than they should unban ancestral, and ban rhystic, but i know that that woukd be to broken in cEDH
"The Rules Committee didn't want EDH to feel like a luxury format that only wealthy people can afford to play" at one point, apparently? What was it like playing MTG back in those halcyon days? Christ's sake, last time I played EDH I played with someone who told me I was cheating because I'd proxied some of my deck, but wouldn't concede that MTG is a pay to play/win game.
primeval titan is extremely not okay
Yeah, the ramp is secondary to being able to tutor ANY 2 lands directly on the battlefield. Field of the dead, coffers, urborg, glacial chasm, etc are all so busted when you can tutor them out like that
Powercrept? Isn't Amulet Titan still one of the best decks in many formats?
There's no legal trouble for reprinting Reserved List Cards.
The Lawsuits will have no merit and will go nowhere.
I was also wondering that comment. The reserve list is something WotC made to not upset people (*cof* speculators *cof*) by reprinting those very expensive cards making their value plummet. It's in no way legally binding, if they wished so they would reprint them (In fact, they have already done so with their own "oficial proxies"...) and nobody could take legal action. Wotc would face a lot of backlash from those people who hoard those cards because they would be "breaking their word", when maybe they shouldn't be investing on fucking cardboard.
It's also funny because they JUST reprinted the entirity of Alpha/Beta when they did the 30th anniversary fiasco where they charged absolutely insane prices for what weren't even tournament legal cards (Essentially officially produced proxies, akin to the tournament decks they used to release). So the idea they couldn't have been reprinting, at the very least, official 'novelty' versions of reserved list cards all this time is total shit and WOTC knows it. Only those who 'invest' in Magic have any desire for the OG prints of those cards. The majority of actual players just want official prints of said iconic pieces of Magic history, tournament legality being a non-factor.
Primal Titan isn't banned because it ramps, it's banned because it grabs ANY 2 lands in your deck. Coffers + Urborg, Dark Depths + Thespian's Stage, etc.
Sylvan Primordial is banned because it's a flickerable 6-for-1, you ramp 3 lands but you always destroy 3 permanents your opponents' control. The ramp is secondary in both of these cases.
Sylvan's ramp is just a bonus but it's a similar reason why Sundering Titan was banned. Being able to flicker + get so much destruction value is far too good.
Chaos orb deserves an unbanning…along with fallen star…..how dare they deny us the chance to do unset levels of weirdness
Because a very small percentage of players cannot perform the physical challenge of flipping a card.
This is just a children's card game. You can and probably should play ante, racism, dexterity, custom and uncards with your friends and store regularly.
@@malakimphoros2164 I'll agree with you that Rule 0/House Rules overrides anything WOTC & RC does.
folks there was no sense of seriousness here...I realise that the cards are inherently unfair...I just think that they're hilarious
I've never heard anybody mention the "Color Pie" when why these cards were banned.
I feel like whomever writes these scripts just makes random stuff up at times.
This banlist just comes off as a bunch of poor people who got beat by certain cards too many times and decided to make it everyone else's problem.
@@speurtighearnamacterik8230 Should Naru Meha, Master Wizard be banned then for being a key combo piece?
@@speurtighearnamacterik8230 Infinite mana with Ghostly Flicker, with a third piece like Impact Tremors it also kills your opponents, then you can replace Ghostly Flicker with Displace and similar to still burn, but without generating mana.
A much better example would be Godo, who both tutors his second combo piece and wins the game while being nowhere near as strong as certain non-infinite combos involving Thoracle.
My point is that there are many infinite combos, their pieces are oftentimes parts of fair strategies (Agent Abdel, Tivit) and banning them is not a solution if they aren't that strong anyways.