Akira Toriyama Modern Art Review (Part 2)
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- Опубликовано: 15 май 2020
- The final part and conclusion of my thoughts on Akira Toriyama's modern work including Dragon quest, Kintoki, Dragonball and Jaco the galactic patrolman! Hope you enjoy the video :)
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Feel like Toriyama likes to subvert expectations. Dragon ball has a rep for having these huge muscular characters. People even describe dragon ball as "that one show with the buff guys". So maybe he got annoyed by it. First time i realized this was when ssg was first shown and how disappointed people was. Everyone was expecting Goku to be big and buff, but we got the slim look. I do prefer Toriyama's classic style though.
That's actually a really good take, in interviews he mentions subverting expectations and doing the opposite of what is expected so quite a solid point. Although moving to thinner designs became quite the norm for shonen in the 2000's so perhaps that influenced him as well.
And in the early 90s the anime did overdid the muscle mass for many characters in DBZ since that was the norm for popular shonen at the time like Hokuto No Ken. After the Saiyan saga you can notice that Goku looked less bulky because the character should look more athletic and not an exagerated bulk mass. In the Cell saga probably was Toriyamas intention to make Trunks look like a fool because he had soo much muscle with that unperfected super saiyan 2 transformation and probably was an inside joke at the time.
You are a little wrong Toriyama did not try to destroy expectations, his style and skills in drawing simply degraded, since he did not draw manga for a very long time (if for example you will even draw like Murata, after 1 month without drawing, your drawing skills will greatly degrade and here Toriyama didn’t draw for many years, so the characters in Super look so skinny on concepts) you won’t be after the end of the dragonball, he painted only some kind of art, and after returning he was no longer that legendary artist, well, he also degraded as an inventor , as an example, if got some horrible design a new form-Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue, simply repainting the base form and regular Super Sayan, with a terrible aura(that's look stupid),it's not even super saiyan aura(even in GT ss4 have normal ss aura)Yamamuro suggested Toei to make some kind of cool new design, Toei could make Toriyama and Yamamuro work together to create a new form, but there is no need to listen to Gramps Toriyama, because he is a GENIUS, and even the most terrible design got a new form of Frieza,f*ck it feels like Toei didn’t correct what Toriyama was up to, and in combination with Toei rushing animators who didn’t have time to adjust the frames between the key animation, we got in Super-curve animation, poor design
and a couple of plot holes,and i agreed with you that classic style is better.
@@Cksurno That's not entirely true, Toyriama has done the art and story for over 15 manga stories since the end of Dragonball such as Kajika (1998)
Sandland (2000), Neko-Majin (1999-2005), Kintoki (2010) and Jaco the Galatic patrolman (2013). Then there is all the video game work for dragon quest so Toriyama has been busy :)
@@forgottenrelics1197,oh yeah i forgot about that:) but fact is Toriyama has tired when he draw Dragon Ball,and when he take rest about 2 years he's legendary style not starting to evolve,but a degraded,i don't hate Toriyama,he great artist and storyteller,but now he's skills in drawing and in story,not like in beginning of 90's
His newer artwork isn't bad, there are some really good ones, but some of the DB characters just don't look like how they should be.
Exactly, some fans write of the newer artwork as bad which it generally isn't but it's more so a drastic take on the characters which often weigh it down it's appeal.
Sonic The Artist No one cares, you walking talking Dunning-Kruger effect.
Apocynthion lol
As in off model. Not sure if Toriyama uses models for himself.
@forgottenrelics1197 The newer designs are fine, but when it comes to designing his older characters, it sucks, he draws them too skinny, de-ages them, and they don't even look like DB characters anymore. This is part of the reason I'm glad he doesn't draw manga now.
Toriyama's work in the early 2000's were my favourite
An underrated period
my favorite era is the frieza saga
I would agree the simple hair amazing hair and the colours were all so pleasing.
@Sonic The Artist Why are you such an dick?
i don't mind modern toriyama's designs, but they don't suit dragon ball as a series imo, his arts still amazing, but bulma isn't a stick, i like slightly chubby bulma from dragon ball
Ye I like the thicc bulma too.
She wasn't chubby?
Totally agree, his designs are still great but they don't match the classic Dragon Ball style, that's where Toei's staff can come in to re-interpret the proportions like they did in DBS: Broly with Cheelai and Broly or MUI Goku from the anime.
Are you asking or uptalking valley girl style?
@@________5347 both
The artwork of the Android/Cell Saga were the best. Even today, I never found a mangaka with designs so amazing and original as Toriyama's during that phase.
Buu saga is peak for me imo
@Raiyouken Anime, it was peak, with prime Yamamuro and then Nakatsuru. Manga was a huge decline around that Saga. Nowhere near Toriyama at his best.
I like his Android Saga art style the most. The overall increased sharpness and looseness of style in tandem with the unique designs of the various android characters really stuck with me
Yeah his work in that arc never stuck at me to much but overtime I've come to quite like it for similar reasons!
@@forgottenrelics1197 I think it varies between each scene, from what I recall some android scenes looked insane (Cell vs Goku especially), but others scenes seemed to have a bit of this sloppiness that really showed during the Buu saga. Best example of this in the Buu saga is that page where Goku kicks majin Vegeta after their fight start, and it almost looks like a draft.
I always hated how completely overblown the muscles were in the Android saga. It was like Vegeta was on roids constantly. You'd expect that kind of exaggerated anatomy from Hokuto no Ken or Jojo's, but not Toriyama. And their faces... why are their faces so tiny? Combined with the huge horse necks it just seemed kind of weird.
Don't get me wrong, Toriyama is a phenomenal artist and I love the Android Saga the most out of DBZ, especially the fluidity of his battle scenes, but DBZ had a huge case of 90s bulk around that time.
@@yoursonisold8743 That's the thing though. I like that over the top, roided 90s look. I feel like Toriyama was taking some liberties with his style and that resonated with me. There's just something cool about an artist throwing caution to the wind and just doing something completely bonkers with their artwork.
Also, the JoJo and Fist of The North Star comparison isn't a bad thing at all
I think the Frieza saga was his peak as an artist, I agree that his art took a dive around the Buu Saga, which is funny, because that arc was probably the best DB looked in the anime lol
His og dragonballz manga was sooooo much better than his newer work. But that doesn’t mean his new work is bad though, it’s fine
exactly:)
Toriyama don’t draw db super art it’s toyotaro
@@Krypt038 Nobody mentioned super...
@@Double400 he was talking about the newer dragon ball art which I remind you is super
@@Krypt038 But I don't think op was talking about super's art
No wonder Bulma wanted to use the Dragonballs in the Super Broly movie. She wanted to be thicc again. Of course Bulma,you want your thiccness back. XD
Bruh
LMFAOOOO
This comment aged gracefully lol
The skinny versions of the characters does remind me a lot of how Araki the author of JoJo made his characters less muscular as well despite being well known for creating REALLY Buff character designs in his earlier work.
Could be purely down to wanting a change of pace and trying to avoid being pigeon-holed into One style
I think his artwork kept on improving more and more and adding more and more detail up until the '90s and early 200's where he perfected it. After that in the 2010s, he got lazy. It takes hundreds of hours to make the kind of quality work that his very best is so after getting as good as he thought he could get he took a step back. He allowed himself to be more simplistic and fall on traits that likely fall closer to his natural style. I don't necessarily think they're deliberate choices. I wouldn't call it amateurish, but he could be better if he wanted to. He could make his characters more muscular, but if he's not asked to than he won't because he can't be bothered. The more slender designs exemplify this. They're easier to draw. He just slips into chibi and ignores proportions. He takes himself far less seriously. He draws for fun, not for work. He draws without an audience. He only ever became more serious because of how famous he was and how much people expected of him. He's much older now and much wiser. Wise enough to know that he's not going to be happy perfecting everything he does. I prefer his older work, but I respect his simplified designs. Characters don't have to feel like they have weight when he doesn't care about the characters. His passion for art does not translate into a passion for all art. If he associates more with simple characters that look more like Jaco or Kaba than kudos to him.
Yeah I was thinking on similar regards that he is just having fun with his art and not taking it to seriously which is totally fine and expected considering how long he has been drawing, although for character sheets for an official movie like Bog I think being more faithful to the traits of the older designs would've been a better take but overall I'm still really excited whenever he brings out something new!
Well said
I disagree, his art already took a decline around the Buu Saga. No way did it look better than the previous saga's, then it got worse during the 2000's.
DBZ characters used to inspire teenagers to go to the gym, Super's designs not so much.
Teenagers shouldnt go to the gym to begin with. They are still growing and building muscles in that time can backfire
@@danielijust8776 biggest myth dude
Yeah the Universe 6 Sayians should’ve been a bit bigger,Around teen gohan maybe.
@@danielijust8776 bruh your just endorsing laziness
@@fcggames3990 not doing Sport = lazy
All right buddy. Weird view
Toriyama now draws chibi instead probably editors ask him to make the characters less violent and more "cute". In the 80s all the drawings in manga were based on making characters look powerful and intimidating.
It's possible but since there is no interview ever hinting at that I doubt it. You can also see this "chibi" look back in 2003 in some of the kazebann covers so it is a stylistic take for characters he has done for almost two decades now. And does Toriyama even still have an editor overseeing his work?
@@forgottenrelics1197 I think it might come from the fact that Japan has banned a lot of violence from kids' anime...Dragon Ball even being considered a kids' show is prime suspect.
@@forgottenrelics1197 i say this because this happened to practically every manga that displayed violence. And since dragonballz and other more violent anime during the 90s got some bad rep because many parents felt it was exagerated everyone had to eventually tone it down. Japan also put alot of restrictions with anime so many mangaka had to change their artstyle for mass appeal. Even tough other manga that are only suitable for older audiences like Berserk or Vagabond didnt changed that much over time. Maybe One Piece manga showed everyone that main characters can be strong/cool and look cute and the same time.
@@Dragonfury3000 Ohh I get where you are coming from now👍🙂
@@forgottenrelics1197 the 80s entertainment culture was very prone to violence and Japan really outdid itself with manga and anime that we probably will never see again the way it was made back then. Im happy with the current designs and even Toei animation really did a fantastic work these last 2 years. I only care about shonen like DragonBall and One Piece mostly but i keep watching the new trends.
I wish Toriyama used his new colors with his old designs
that would be good
i love the black body suit under the armour for trunks/vageta even more than the blue.
tbh that looks way more badass
The best Budokai Tenkaichi alternates
I like the color they have on the Broly movie sheet where its a dark turquoise rather than a brought blue. Even just keeping a dark blue like in the Budokai games would have looked better imo.
Its really crazy how Toriyama was the artist for dragon ball, dragon quest, qnd chrono trigger
No its not krazy its logic
And fire emblem
@@newage1361 really? I don't think so
@@kaizeramvs447 search it up
@@kaizeramvs447 he madd marth and roy
His newer drawings have bigger heads and thinner bodies. It's like he's slipping into his old gag manga style. A lot like the designs of his newer characters in Dragon Ball Super. Example: Cabba, Kale. This look is fine for other projects like Blue Dragon, Sandland, but I can't say I like this look for a battle manga like Dragon Ball. I think during his time making the original Z Manga he was surrounded by a lot of other martial arts manga like Fist of the North star, and trying to keep up with them. Now isn't really the case. He may be out of practice when it comes to action manga.
Yeah it's possible that working on different genres could've had an impact somewhat like Masaki Sato's style changed a lot throughout the years after working on multiple series.
He's even gotten really bad at designing characters. Before he designed interesting and awesome designs for his villains.
Cabba and Kale or even Tarble would have looked SO much better in his prime days..
@@GeekedOutNeckbeard he did not design those particular characters
I don't know if people notice this but I generally don't get the vibe that the designs of most of Super's characters really look like they're from the same Anime as Z's era. Its not just the body proportions but its the overall characters themselves. None of the Gods of Destruction for example other than Champa look like they're Toriyama designs. Where as you look at the movie characters you get that they are from DBZ because they share some features that are common in the series. Best example is with say the (good) Shadow Dragons in GT. Eis and Nova look very similar to Pikkon mixed with Tambourine. Where as Morro doesn't look like anything recognizable, let alone most of the Gods of Destruction and whatever the hell Morro is..
@@GeteMachine And when it looks lie z people bitch about not being original enough, like with moro
So in other worlds people wont like it either way cuz its not from the 90s and modern bad
With toriyama. Heres the thing. He stared off with pretty soft and rounder characters. However with Dragonball Z when it got into Z I do THINK i remember reading that He only made the characters so sharp and blocky looking (the style everyone likes) is because it saved him time and made drawing the fight scenes and such easier. But I do think he prefers the rounder work. He also hadn't drawn dragonball z manga in years.
For example his recent Dragonball work is much more round. He probably would have made it stay that way. And side note the newer Goku picture compared to the old blocky styles. Has anyone notice Goku actually has a sole on the bottom of his shoes?
That being said I think Toriyama just has fun when drawing and I think if he REALLY wanted he could draw more in the older style he had for Z.
I think the angular loo definitely changes the way the fight scenes look because seeing the fight in Dragonball Minus in that one panel just lacked intensity.
Hes over 60 years old now. With him being a lazy personality and all, he probly draws like this to make everything quicker. The height of dragonball days are over. He is now just mainly a character designer, as you can see about 80% of his recent works are just character models standing. Even the intricate pieces from him are rare. I think he just want to chill. He knows there are younger people taht can just use his design and replicate into his old style.
He still gives plot points to the toei and toyotaro
@@MAR-sc7np he's involved, but still not as much. As how he still draws for games and such. He can draw jacked up SsG Goku. But like, why not just let Toyotaro do it you know?
This is the best outcome, Toei made his designs for DBS:Broly look incredible. His skills as a designer are still outmatched, he just needs help to match the Dragon Ball style.
I don't think so, I feel he chose dbs style cuz he likes it most, everyone has their opinion, and also db and dbz art style before is more easier to draw than the dbs style. So he isn't lazy
What if he just likes to drawing in a more cartoony style. He’s a cartoonist in heart , and some artists prefer a more simplistic look. I don’t think it makes him lazy.
Love this series of videos! In spite I personally love Toriyama's more recent style, which blends studies of anatomy and his more "comedic" line, it's great to hear and see someone who studies his artwork with such dedication and has something to say about it. 100% Suscribed.
Tbh I just think it's his age. Especially since I dont think he likes to draw dragon ball cause one time I think he started back drawing dragon ball years after z ended and he said something like he felt the stress that he had back then or something. And he didn't want to do it again.
It's not the age, if he chose that style for dbs then that means he likes it, how you said he's not the one drawing it
@@damn754 I never said that.
Wow, this was excellently done! I've never seen any of your content before, and I'm typically very weary of content creators I don't know covering Dragon Ball especially. But this was a subject I've been very interested for a while now, but haven't been able to find any comprehensive coverage on, so I took a pop and I'm glad I did. You spoke very knowledgeably on the topic, and thus gave me a guide to more fully understand and appreciate how his artwork evolved. Which is exactly what I was looking for. Very impressed, and I'll definitely check out what else you've put out there.
Don't know why I got recommended to this channel but I ain't even mad keep it up man your content is very informative
Thanks man!
5:41 sums everything up. The detail, the buff, the expression in the face... Absolutely incomparable.
To the people that are unaware DBS is NOT drawn by Toriyama it’s written by him but drawn by Toyotaro
Yeah that's why it looks decent, if toriyama drew the super in the style he is now dragonball would be doomed
If Toriyama was going to do Modern Dragon Ball seriously, he would obviously use a style that works for the franchise.
In fact ,we dont know if toriyama do the story
Dbs has that style it has now cuz toriyama liked it and chose it for the story, people don't choose what they don't like
@@cest_faux7715 Toriyama doesn't do the story. He gives the ideas, the beginning and the ending of every arc. Toyotaro does everything else
You’re awesome Forgotten, keep up the great work!!!!!
Finally I'm early for one of your amazing vids
Personally, I actually quite like the dull colours for many of his DQ illustrations. It feels more like a stylistic choice than a lack of skill
That bonyo one he did almost has a shintani approach to the shading and color, Great vid! Can't wait to see more 😁
Thank you man as always!
This is some quality content. Love the vids and keep uploading!
Thanks! I\a Appreciate it :)
People need to stop pretending like Toriyama is just being hip. Toriyama has regressed considerably since the DBZ era, just like Yamamuro.
Facts
He ain't hungry no more.
Agreed. I'm betting this is the reason cabba looks like a fucking stalk of celery in the anime, I think when toyotaro drew him he actually had muscles and looked cool
@@bussinnutsfuckinbutts5368 toriyama didn't draw cabba though
@@user-gk6nt5gi5n toriyama most likely did, I doubt toei created them himself, toriyama also drew the design for all the gods so why wouldn't he for the universe 6 fighters?
His later artwork changed the ribbons on Goku's boots. Oddly, they were only used on SSJGod form in the anime.
Ughhh I miss Toriyama's older work so much. The image on the left side at 2:27 is fuckin PERFECTION right there. Peak Toriyama. Love that piece with the 4 SSJs.
Thanks for the 2 part video btw!
I'm fine with some of his later, newer works, but I feel as if his time working on DB up until the Freeza arc and early parts of the Android arc was peak Toriyama for me. Especially when it comes to DB characters. It was here when he was building a good balance between this cute, cartoonish gag manga style and the action portion of the series. Again, there's also the point of characters having meat on their bones. Overall a great period. The Boo arc is fine as well, but some of his work during that time doesn't resonate with me as well
I think his art got a bit ugly in the Buu arc, where as the Cell arc was where things looked very angular but not to the Buu arc's degree.
Genuinely made me laugh with the script and editing in some points, great vid
haha thanks man!
Frieza riding a motorcycle had me dead
Why does artworks of famous manga artists are getting slimmer and slimmer as the time goes by
They used to draw bulky and bricky muscles back then
Probably because it's not their style anymore.
80s were all about manly men while its not really a thing anymore
Eventually you get tired of drawing the same thing over and over. They're artist afterall they're all about experimentation.
I like his modern style too, it’s like a mix of his style before dragon ball z. Plus the coloring is amazing
Great job as always
Thanks dude!
Sorry for being late to comment, I'm afraid I got lost on the path of life.
Love these videos
thanks dude!
ForgottenRelics JW your welcome bro!
Good video man. I have a question: where I can find a complete artbook or images and art works of the latest Toriyama's style (from 2005 to this days)?? Thank you!
I love the old arts of toriyama
I still loved the art of toriyama and is still my favorite
I like this style , but for Dragon ball is not appropriate
Exactly
@@juliandean5204His modern style, doesn't suit DB, that's what he's saying.
I think chibbification, babification, moefication are good terms for what is happening to DB, not only in the drawings but story too.
I think the beat representation of toriyamas art switch is the 2 pictures of trunks that gets shared around every so often
4:36 also he has the ssg boots on all of his Goku work from this timeframe. I like how they look like ribbons instead of rope like the old school boots
This reminds me of araki a bit for some reason,on how from jojo part 1-3 are mascular dudes, part 4 semi mascular,and the rest kinda losed it,while maintaining a much more realistic look to it
Im no expert but thats just how i see it
I'm ashamed Tien got the stick treatment, that dude's known for his boulder shoulders
thats where he stored his extra arms
People seem to really hate Toriyama for using the airbrush tool to color his modern illustrations but I gotta say, it gives it a really unique and cool look. His anatomy has turned a lot more cartoonish and that tends to look weird on Dragon Ball characters specifically but his other characters look INCREDIBLE, the Jaco manga and Sand Land looked fantastic.
2:00 im a real fan of how he drew ss3 on the left softer lines and curves really give a sense of mass and hes got a better understanding of anatomy
Great video
RIP Akira Toriyama
I mean who are we to complain, an artist cant keep that drawing style for thousands of years, after he got to different works he will mix the work with dragon ball's style so it looks like that. I mean yeah it looks weird but... jeez check JoJo's Bizarre Adventure's manga artist's work within the years
The Kanzenbans are when I feel his work lack the charm that drew me in. Like I don't smile or long to be in the world of these pieces. So by the late 00s I'm out with BoG and RoF confirming I'm not a modern fan. Tho I like the muscular angular 90s style, my fav will always be the non-serious works of 80s-90s.
I feel Fenyo captures that lost charm and I wish Shueisha would just go _"GET IN LOSER, YOU'RE DRAWING DRAGON BALL NOW!"_ .
Toriyama would just make Fenyo's work look like his modern stuff, just like Toyotaro.
Does anyone have the link of the art work on the right at 4:36? I absolutely love it
Tori did create the masterpiece of my childhood, his artstyle was absolutely better in past
Cell saga Tien was jacked out of his mind BOG/super Tien looks puny
He only looks like that because his clothes are really baggy.
Nothing beats the originals in my opinion. Seeing them gain muscle mass after powerups was always pretty sweet to me.
That never happened in the manga, that as an anime thing, that really only happened once, when Goku went SSJ against Android 19.
Kind of reminds me of Araki (JoJos Bizarre Adventure creator). His art style took a similar path where he used to draw bulky buff characters but now they have a much skinnier look, to the point to where he kinda forgot how to draw older characters in the old style. Look up Johnathan Joestar in the new artstyle. Its still beautiful just different.
I love his GT and Chrono Trigger work the most.
He made everyone in GT, except Goku, look ugly lol
@@j04370859 If you are talking about the cartoon then he didnt do it. If you are talking about his promo art for GT then his art looks about like Chrono Trigger.
2:18 Interesting. That almost looks like a Goku who never trained with Kami since he doesn't have the undershirt but isn't barefoot either. He's dressed like he was as a I'd but as teen Goku.
I'm ok with thinner characters. Well, certain ones anyway. Thin 4 year old Gohan is much better looking than twig Goku, though I must admit slim SSG Goku is fairly appealing as well.
There's a such thing as taking it too far with any character. Young Gohan with huge muscles looks ridiculous, skinny Cell looks equally as so.
I kinda like Toryiama's modern art. They look very expressive and it's pretty refreshing. I just wish he made the characters a little more buff. Most of them are martial artists, afterall.
I still love his artwork. Better than anything made from Toyotaro. He’s just more interesting to look at.
Nah, Toyotaro >>> Modern Toriyama.
What are your thoughts on Dbs broly art?
Hey bro, so i was wondering if you would make a video shedding some light on your opinion about the younggijji vs toyataro controversy that about 10 months or so ago, black scape made a video covering it and I thought it was interesting. (basically younggijji redrew toyataros panels and fans got mad coz they looked 10x better)
I actually really like his modern art. While it is a little jarring for dragon ball, it is an interesting take and I like seeing it. I would actually like to see how he would draw a dragon ball super manga.
They would look a lot skinnier, and DB Quest looking than DB.
Toriyama is an amazing mangaka, he's endlessly creative and his page layout is untouchable, but his modern style clashes with the cultural identity of Dragon Ball. I wouldn't go so far as to say he lacks respect for its legacy like I would with Yamamuro or whoever runs Funimation, but at this point Dragon Ball has grown beyond being just one of his works, it's a part of history and belongs to all of us. I think even his modern storytelling fails to take into account what Dragon Ball represents, which is a shame because it could lead to some amazing stories if he still wanted to subvert our expectations. I think Vegeta's development in the manga, especially in the Moro arc (somewhat lessened by recent developments but we'll see how they circle that square), shows how good the story could be with just a little more contemplation on where we've been. Instead I feel like we're stuck with formulaic storylines with one or two Toriyama-esque surprises that serve as vehicles for his new character designs to fight in.
Quit with this "Dragon Ball is ours" bullshit.
No, it's Toriyama's work. It will be always his, even in death.
This specific application of the "death of the author" principle only serves to empower talentless, entitled buffoon "fans" to think they have the right to dictate what authors have to do, even though they themselves don't hold a drop of a talent in their bones.
I would say from this 4:27
It looks way more similar to how he drew that last pat spread of his characters in the original manga. Even in that, they are way more chibi but still similar to this imo
When you analyse Toriyama's Resume, you'd notice that he prefers drawing leaner&rounder characters. For some reason, he went through a phase during Freeza Saga where started drawing detailed&structured muscles, angular jaws and smaller eyes that made it look like it wasn't Anime.
What people recognise as "Dragon Ball" remains distinct from most Shonen Anime. It doesn't center around teenage characters, the setting isn't contemporary Japan but a blend of Fantasy and 70's Retro-future and the plot isn't about teenage drama/coming of age but about Anti-Heroish Goku trying to test his test his limits. Goku's selfish thirst for combat and his backstory of Evil Saiyan Heritage is peak 90's grittiness, yeah Goku is a "good guy" but he's motivated by pure selfishness, at times he even puts universe at risk for it, like the time he allowed Freeza to power up to 100% or the time he refused to do a sneak attack on Dr Gero to save Earth.
This is why i will always consider GT to be the bookend to the DB story, it retained the 90's idiosyncrasies that made Z unique. DBS is more of a colorful modern tribute to Z.
For me personally, I do really like the BoG and some of the ROF character sheets. The skinnier look does look pretty good for the more “chibi” style. And I love the darker tanner colors used to color in the characters. But I do see the criticism. The main throw off for me is when the characters are drawn with bigger heads and smaller and smooth eyes.
Damn, is incredible the variation of quality on the coloring. Some pieces look like a gorgeous movie poster and others look like an amateur in devianart trying every diffuse brush ever.
Also the thick line no variaton on the stroke style doesn´t fit with Toriyama at all.
yeah my thoughts exactly, the coloring on some look great but then in others it looks quite unprofessional, it's a drastic shift between projects and my guess is that it has to do simply with his mood or motivation :)
You really need to look at his older Dragon Quest artwork
The Japanese Super Famicom cover of Dragon Quest 3 is my favorite Toriyama artwork
What about your thoughts on the DBS Broly movie then? If I remember correctly, the art style for the movie was done by Toriyama
No. It was anew director that took influences from the manga more directly than Yammamuro. The reason they aren't twigs in that movie is because they were trying to go off the Freeza arc but the reason the new characters are still skinny is because they were designed by Toriyama himself and they adapted them. I think Toei knows if Broly looked like that, peoplewould be pissed.
The moral of the story here is simple: Everybody gets old and feeble. Toriyama is old, and his sensibilities are more towards the cute and childlike. Just like how many old people become soft around the edges, Toriyama is showing it in his art.
Because for real - no way do I get the feeling that Goku is a universe shattering character in his post 2005 artwork. But as soon as you dial it back to 1995? Ho yeah. Hell, SSJ2's overall design and artwork STILL feels like the most powerful Goku, Vegeta and Gohan have ever been.
What you think of Android 21’s design he drew?
It's a cool design and the linework is also fine, he seems to just stick to base tones though without any shading which is kinda interesting, but artwork wise it wasn't that different in quality to his more recent work like bonyu thus why I didn't mention it in the video.
ForgottenRelics JW I don’t understand how he drew Shallot all muscular but left the saiyan in red skinny. Aren’t they like twins?
Toriyama’s work on the Dragon Quest Zenthia Trilogy was his best.
i really don't think drab looking colours are inherently a bad thing. for dq11 i think it really worked for that art, as well as for dq9. not everything needs to be vibrant or highly saturated and sometimes i actually really prefer the more faded and desaturated colours. both types of colouring can be good or bad it all depends, and i think Toriyama did the more "bleak" colours really really well
impressive
I prefer his art in OG DB (In Piccolo Daimaoh saga), this is not bad, it just doesn't work very well with Dragon Ball...
(Sorry for my bad english)
I personally can't say which i like more.
The new style has a different feel. And that's about it
The new style doesn't SCREAM "DRAGON BALL!".
But it does feel NEW. Refreshing and more " Comedy" like.
Toriyama has always been a man of jokes and humor.
So trying to break free of the shadow looming over him that is DRAGON BALL is REALLY powerful imo.
I wish dragon Ball super 2 style will be like the dbs Broly movie, it's a combination of dbz style with modern graphics
I've always got the feeling that the guy just likes to try new things, and I mean, it kinda makes sense once you think about how long he was just doing dragon ball, over and over again, like some of those experiments are legit wonky but it feels like he's just trying new shit and re-learning stuff, and you know what, that's kinda neat, some other artists would rather rest in their laurels and keep doing what works instead of just, exploring their art and maybe having fun with it.
6:10 dude Vegeta went for a Paul Phoenix hairstyle
I know the man is like 65 but god damn he's made a LOT of drawings
I wish I can commission him for a artwork.
10:00 That girl looks like Android 18 in Dragon Quest cosplay
By the way that picture you used for the background is my Facebook background.
3:50 that art is kinda similar to the phy sr Ssj Goku from Dokkan battle
I really, really like that mr.satan
why does Toki look like Granolah in one of the shots?
He hopped of the cycle
it's so unfortunate that Super's anime staff often carried over Toriyama's designs for new characters relatively unchanged, while keeping a more muscular look for the established cast. You get weird stylistic inconsistencies like the stick-limb U6 saiyans next to the more traditional Yamamuro Vegeta and Goku. Bizzarre stuff
5:05 just looks like something you get when Luffy and Goku has a baby
nooo o akira =((((
now hes become yamamuro...just a legend from the older ages.
💀
I really don’t like the new style. Looks like Dragonball on soy!
Part 3 when?
I love Toriyama style in dragon ball broly the movie
i bet that if original designs were like this back in the day, dragon ball woulnd't be the same.
Buen video
*Poyo*