What is the Best Rolex Submariner Homage? | Invicta, Tisell, Steinhart, Squale, Davosa, Ginault
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Today I am finally putting together my Rolex Submariner homage comparison video! I've been wanting to do this video for a long time, and with a lot of help I was able to get together a collection of some of the more popular Rolex Submariner homage watches for this video. We are looking at watches from Invicta, Tisell, Steinhart, Squale, Davosa and Ginault!
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I have a 42mm Steinhart and have been pretty happy with it. It was priced right and feel the quality is solid.
Yeah they’re good watches and good values, better than the lower end watches and a solid watch at a more affordable price than the higher end ones.
Ditto.
Out of the ones youve mentioned...steinhart 100%
Thanks for watching.
Get the Steinhart. ETA movement. I am on my 2nd Rolex Sub a ceramic. And got a used Steinhart 42 as beater. The Steinhart is awesome. Same ETA as my Tudor BB. Steinhart is solid and keeper for life. 👍
$1500 for Homage..........ROFL....Steinhart is winner for me...
Why do people hate homage watches so much
@@emptybucket1988 I don’t think he hated on the homage per se, but rather on the idea of spending quite a bit of money on one. And to be honest, I can see the validity of that argument, given that at that price point you’re entering territory were original individual pieces from historic brands are available. Of course, if you’re hell bent on getting an homage, then perhaps this may not affect your decision.
I have the Davosa Ternos Ceramic with ETA movement and couldn’t be happier. Thinner than the Professional, fits my 6.75 wrist perfectly, the case shape hugs the wrist, excellent bezel click and feel - a real quality piece.
STEINHART 42 mm ALL THE WAY IT punches above it’s price point ! Also I agree with you in regards to the Tisell not good.
Thanks for watching I appreciate it!
George Grasser , it’s probably the best homage offering . The 42mm versions are awesome . ETA movement plus all the other offerings . I purchased the jubliee bracelet and it’s probably one of the best I have handled . It is better than the Tudor offering and will probably be very close to the Rolex version.
I have the Steinhart and the Davosa and the Davosa is by far the best out of the two.
Steinhart is a great watch for the price. Solid movement, very substantial feeling, 42mm offers great wrist presence, I like the strap and the clasp, I think, is solid feeling. Cyclops is the only downer, but not a deal-breaker for me. Quality of finish on my Kermit is great. Really like it and would recommend with confidence. Also Steinhart customer service is excellent. Invicta also good value at the low end. If only they’d get rid of that godawful engraving. Don’t like dial design on the Squale. Never seen a Tissel, Davosa or Ginault up close. Like the look of the Davosa, although a bit big height wise.
Brendan Hughes ...care to elaborate on where the davosa beats the Steinhart...cause I’m considering them right now..thx
If the point of an homage is to get the look at a low price then Invicta wins. Appreciate the effort to put this together.
Thanks for watching!
Invicta wins for cheapest homage, also wins for cheapest quality. I wouldn't wear Invicta if it was on sale for free 50.
@@waytoomany9997 Richard Perrett opened up a defective Invicta bezel insert. Underneath it, it was held up by a rusty piece of clothes hanger. This confirms that the watch will fall apart if attempting to use in water.
The Steinhart is a tremendous value and I fall into the "love" camp. I think you're selling it a bit short.
I don’t think so. It’s a good watch, better quality than the lower end options but not quite as nice as the higher end. It is a good value with some shortcomings. I think I was fair.
If I owned a genuine Submariner like you do, I'd probably feel the same. But for someone who $400-500 is a lot for a watch, I think it's a pretty incredible value and would still be even if they charged a few hundred more. Still- great video, thank you. I really enjoy your channel.
I have three steinharts one has been hot machine washed .and survived .. with the eta movements theyre no different to omega and breightling , for £400. No brainer
I have the Steiny Ocean one 39 just like in this video. Best value for money in the lineup. ETA 2824-2, ceramic, superluminova, sapphire, 300m WR, fantastic screw down oyster bracelet... $4-$500... this guy must not know a bunch about movements and fit and finish.
I think the Steinhart is best value for Swiss made and I don’t think Ginault is 3 times better given the price.
I have my invicta for close to 15 years. Yup, that’s right. I have done nothing, and I mean nothing to this watch but wash it with a toothbrush and regular soap once a month. Keeps good time, it’s water PROOF, yes ocean swimming as well and although I work in heavy duty manufacturing I still looking for scratches in the crystal. Nicks and pits in the case and band? Just a few. Oh, one time I jumped into a water hole from 25 ft and the clasp came undone. OMG. Big deal, right?
Mine was $60
I saved the $ 9,940 in a watch that I can ACTUALLY wear every day for my daughter’s college
Best review of aby homage watch. Chasing the dream, the point on the horisont, people don't look around at all wonders that surround us.
I don't know why did I watch this video. I have the real submariner, yet I watched the whole damn thing; definitely a good job giving a brief explanation on every one of them. cheers.
Thanks for watching Aldo, appreciate it!
You should get a steinhart as a beater or when your watch is being serviced. My dealer whom I'm waiting for a Tudor BB or Rolex steel model told me one of those are good in the meantime. I'm gonna order one while waiting.
The new Davosa Ternos should be 40mm and not so heavy in weight. In my Opinion Davosa and Ginault look so perfect and comes so close to the Sub. I think the Davosa offers the best value and the look is so noble. Great review, thank U Sir.
I bought the Steinhart Ocean One Vintage Red and have been extremely pleased with the looks and durability. For me it was one of the best looking. My only complaint would be I wish it had a more robust clasp but it holds up perfectly well. Just a personal preference.
Thanks for watching, enjoy that Steinhart. The Vintage Red looks really cool.
I am just received my Steinhart Ocean One Vintage Red last week, it is clearly the best value for a Submariner homage.
Why’s it clearly the best value?
@@JustBlueFish watch more videos on it. The Steinhart is the best value for the price point IMHO....Swiss movement, etc. The clasp is just "ok" but definitely NOT a deal breaker byt any stretch of the imagination. The Steinhart is a a wonderful homage to Submariner. The Ginault is also very nice but high price point. I will own soon as I know the quality is great.
@@JustBlueFish You forgot the ULTIMATE Rolex homage watches which are the san martin series and steel dive I bought for 110 pounds the steel dive smurf and the watch is not only the closest literally identical has decent specs as well ceramic bezel sapphire crystal stainless very high quality brushed finishing steel......and movement ok nothing special has the one that most of the others have the Seiko automatic NH35.
I have owned my pro diver for almost a year now and it shows no signs of wear other than minor scratches from daily use. I do however take extremely good care of my watches so maybe this is why mine is in such good working shape. I have tracked the time day to day and it is fairly accurate with about +8 seconds a day. I think what someone should take away here is that it really doesn't matter which watch you get as long as you take care of it. Great video and great comparison!
Thank you. I think most people simply don’t take care of their stuff, and blame the watch instead of their treatment of it.
@@notyourtypicalwatchreview2563 4 years later and my Pro Diver is holding up great! Time keeping has improved actually to about +5 seconds a day. No servicing or adjusting anything just wearing it in my cycles.
Hey Guy! Well done, great vid. I have also been gathering homages for a similar video in a couple of weeks. As you say, no easy feat. Great to hear your thoughts on some key pieces. Cheers, Jody
Definitely a pain getting this video together, I didn’t anticipate all the logistical problems when I had the idea. I’m looking forward to seeing yours!
Just One More Watch - I love your channel have been a long time subscriber! Can’t wait for the video!
Miguel
Hey Jody. Really looking forward to that. Be good if you could try and introduce some sort of ‘value criteria’ into yours. Comparing watches at various price points is interesting but of limited usefulness for those on a budget (aren’t we all?). For example is a Ginault really worth 5 or 6 Tisells? I know it’s a tall order and a lot would be personal (Question. What is value?) but would, imho, give your video a really unique, useful and practical edge. Waiting with nervous anticipation.
Both of you dudes are top reviewers👍
these are helpful to those of us just learning. thank you both
I love my Ginault. I bought it as a promotion present to myself and now I wear it more than any of my other watches. They offer a 20% military/veteran discount for anyone reading.
It’s a very nice watch. Excellent quality, fit and finishing.
Congratulations on the promotion James! Just ordered the Ginault - sort of a retirement present to myself - and am awaiting it’s arrival.
Agreed! I wear mine every day.
That's a cool discount
mr bacchus they do discounts for holidays as well
I own a Steinhart Ocean One 39 ceramic and i would hesitate to call it homage at all. Slightly different experience since i have owned homage watches from different brands. Steinhart offers even more than modern Swiss diver watches out there considering many brands offer eta elaboré grade movements for around 1000 USD. Thumbs up for Swiss made with German soul. Ofc Davosa Ternos would be my second choice.
Great comparison. I nearly had all of this watches through the years if in other Versions. The Ginault is the only one who stayed and i couldnt be happier.
The Ginault is excellent.
my thought on the Steinhart cyclops magnification, it actually makes the date window (after magnification) when looking at the dial more symmetrical, it is about the same size as the hour markers. To me that symmetry made it more aesthetic and I didn't need the higher magnification to read it. Maybe that was Steinhart's thought when they used a lower magnification cyclops too
The Davosa Ternos is awesome. I have no regrets whatsoever with my purchase. I also have a Squale. Mine is the blue dial 1521. I highly recommend this brand to anyone who is an aficionado of dive watches.
Are you still happy with your Davosa? I’m thinking of purchasing one 40 mm
@@explorer4435, still loving it. You should check out this brand.
That Davosa feels and looks more like a SeaDweller to me, than a Submariner.
Yeah like I said their 200m Diver at 40mm would have been a better comparison but this is what they loaned me.
So if I‘ve understood correctly, the point is being made that the Steinhart case isn’t even an attempt at a Sub copy? Steinhart has actually been doing it’s own thing, all this time? This is outrageous originality regarding which they deserve to be taken to task!
I'm not sure it's originality. I've had people comment that the Steinhart case is a copy of another model watch, but I'm not familiar enough with that to confirm.
I have owned the 40mm Davosa, it is outstanding, best bang for the buck
I wish they had sent the 40mm, but the one they did send is nice.
How’s the quality compared to invicta?
@@mikearkous8379 no comparison, the Davosa is probably the best diver I have seen under $1000, very well done, Invicta is pretty low end, I have owned lot in my early days, pretty much junk
GLD Edmond thanks! Haha I have an invicta pro diver I love it. I’m saving for the davosa. My wrist sweats, will that cause blemish on the davosa like it does on invicta bracelet?
I’m looking to purchase one ... do you still like your watch ?
I like how you synchronized all those timepieces in preparation for this video. It shows that you have a real attention for detail. Thanks for sharing.
Haha, you’re the only one that noticed. Thanks!
@@JustBlueFish I subscribed.
A real attention for detail or serious O C D like me, I finally see a video that didn’t make me check the light switches at top and bottom of the stairs to make sure their in the correct position
Really good attempt to determine the best homage. It’s easy to take a variety of watches at different price points and compare them however it’s another thing to attempt some sort of value judgement. For example take the bracelet off the Tisell and put on a decent nato and most of your comments disappear and you’ve got yourself a real bargain - ceramic, sapphire and miyota at an excellent price. Similarly, an important aspect to some is the customer support and service facilities offered. From my experience Tisell and Steinhart offer superb after sales support whereas with some of their competitors you’re struggling to find an office address or phone number, never mind a willingness to resolve issues. Anyway as I said a great effort, really thought provoking.
Thanks for watching I appreciate it.
Image Davosa 40 mm ternos would have been a better comparison it’s the best homage to the ceramic sub
Yeah probably. But they sent what they sent.
@@JustBlueFish And their 42mm GMT Batman with Sellita 2600 is unbeatable, will buy one for my milestone Birthday next March.
I owned a Tisell before, it was about +3 seconds a day fast and had phenomenal bezel action. I wish I didn't sell it. I plan on getting a green one. They have 2 different websites, the one I bought from before sells them for $230. The only issue I had was that when you take off the bracelet there's very little room to fit a NATO on between the case and spring bar, other than that it was great.
Excellent accuracy, I’d be happy with that.
Mine is doing just that and the watch looks and feel phenomenal. Only problem I had was with the clasp, not the problems mentioned in this video, but I actually got a broken pin inside the socket of the end link in the clasp turning it useless. I contacted support and they told me it wasn't a manufacturer issue but how I handled it 😑. That was the only disappointment.
8 years and no service needed for my Invicta pro divers and they still run like new. So, I don't know what the deal was with your watch but, I have three and they're great in my humble opinion.
I own 4 Pro Divers and love the NH35 Movement. I also have a Seiko with the sister movement 4r36 and love it too.
I haven't either. Hated but good watches. No problems with then ever.
I own a Tisell Marine Diver since January 2019 and I am very pleased with it. The Miyota 9015 movement beats at 28,800A/h has 24 jewels and keeps excellent time, typically gaining in the long term no more than 5s/d, whereas its variation is pretty tight. The watch wears very well on the wrist and its weight feels just about perfect at 140grams (much like the Submariner itself). The glidelock mechanism works perfectly in my sample and for 230$ this watch presents by far the best value for money proposition for a Rolex Submariner homage. I would therefore wholeheartedly recommend this diver watch.
Any insights on san martin compared to tisell ? I am hesitant about the choice
Great video. There are other equally good homage watches and when Rolex and grey market tell you "Buy the Ferrari of the watches, or at least the Tudor", one should think there're also Camry, Accord, Charger and Passat to pick from.
An excellent review! Definitely one of the best homage reviews I’ve seen anywhere on RUclips . Having them all our at once is very effective. Impressive!
Thanks I appreciate it!
I have a Steinhart Kermit 42mm the finish is like you said not great but not bad. However it is a tank and accurate at + 2 sec a day. I also have a Squale tropic ceramica GMT 300 meter . Very well finished and about +5 sec A day. The Ginault is getting a little expensive for a non chronometer. You get what you pay for in the end.
Thanks for watching and enjoy that Steinhart. I reviewed that same one a while back.
Derek, do you use the Steinhart and Squale homages as beater versions of the Rolex's you do own?
@@otobotrecords. To small degree, l do. But l don't baby my Rolex either.
@@derekshearer9049 Good, watches should be worn!
Another vote for the Steinhart here. The Premiums are particularly nice and very reasonable.
you make the best watch review videos on youtube
Thanks!
Another great video! Owning two 5 digit Submariners the only watch out of the group I would own and wear is the Ginault and I do own and love it! Bought at a deeper discount than they offer at this time I find the piece is simply amazing and built like a tank!
Thanks for watching and I agree, the Ginault is the cream of the crop and a great watch.
Great video....I own a 116710 GMT as well as the Squale 1545 and Steinhart 39, clearly neither S watch is on the same level as the R watch however the price-to-value of both the Squale and Steinhart is ridiculously good! I will never sell and will always wear all three of these watches.
I voted with my money and bought the Squale 1545 maxi dial. I don't have Rolex money so I am a sucker for a nice homage. Great review.
San Martin... not included in this group but the best for the money IMO.
Yup! Version 3 looks great. Pagani Design is another good (and much cheaper) alternative. And I also wish Phoibos still made the PY007
Better than Steinhart and Devosa?
I’ve had a number of NH35’s and never had an issue with any of them. You’re actually the first reviewer who hasn’t called them rugged and reliable. Perhaps you’re just unlucky.
The Squale and the Davosa share a lot of similar features like the dodecagonal caseback, the endlinks, the clasp, the diver's extension, case shape and even to some extent the rough top brushing on the case. Sure the Davosa is bigger but it's very apparent that they are both identical in the way they are manufactured.
I'm wondering if they both have the same suppliers or maybe one supplies the other. A more in depth video about that would be really interesting.
I appreciate the time that you took to produce this comparison. Thank you for the video.
Thank you very interesting. I like homages and Phoibos are part of my collection. Very reliable for more than 1.5 years so far.
I haven’t checked out a Phoibos yet. I’ll need to do that at some point. Thanks for watching!
I second Pedro! I have the “Mark 1” Phoibos PY007C (black dial) and PY007B (blue dial). They are almost identical to the Tissel in price, spec, and quality (based on reviews I’ve seen), although without the
glidelock clasp. The Miyota 9015s in them give my ETA 2824 watches a run for their money! Biggest complaint is the poor lume, which Phoibos has addressed in the new “Mark 2” PY007 models (which are sans cyclops).
I forgot to mention you have the best video quality and setup on RUclips. I don't like AR coating at all, l have it on my Squale. That blue hue drives me nuts.
Thanks Derek I appreciate the feedback.
Derek Shearer What color dial is your Squale?
@@eyeheartsushi2212. A dark Charcoal grey.
Steinhart's value per dollar is by FAR the best one here - just bought one off their website for only $389. Attractive looks, 2824 movement, great price.
I still wear my Invicta, but I had issues with the power reserve. Had to get a winder to keep it running reliably. But the main issue was the water resistance. Took it to the Domincan last summer, and after about 20 minutes of surface snorkeling the inside fogged up. Have bought a Momemntum and two Phoibos since then and ALL of them have been water tight and much higher quality.
I agree with your review (the best of this range)! Just one note, the Davosa 43mm 500m is about 1200 not 860. The 40mm is correct at 769. I am new to these. I no longer feel it is worth it for a short lived smart watch (Fitbit does not even have a service department, non serviceable). But I purchased an 8926OB with the NH35A on Ebay. The watch will not manually wind or hack. It is back at the Invicta service center. I think they used an older NH25, which does not have these functions, used with an NH35A rotor! Made in Maylasia means that Seiko is out of control with their QC, so we all should take what you have said under advisement, we are getting fake news otherwise about this NH35A! I will next shoot for the Davosa 40mm, fits my 7 inch wrist. Thank you again.
The Ginault is the overall winner in terms of Homage but I think the Davosa is the best value.
Yeah the Davosa and the Squale are the high value options in terms of quality for the price.
Exactly what I think.
If you've ever owned or touched a Davosa then you'll know that its leagues above the Steinhart. That said the Ginault is the best of the best homage.
So you like Davosa? I had considered getting one before but went with another brand. I may take another look at Davosa though.
@@morgan97475 I had a jeweler at tourneau who held mine. When I told him I paid under 750 he was floored and I'm talking about my davosa watch
At Ginault's price point you'd think they'd at least offer a genuine movement and not a clone.
More expensive watches use Selitta movements, which are also clones of the ETA. Would that also be a problem?
JustBlueFish Watch Reviews Sellita is a well known respected Swiss brand which produce(d) movements on behalf of ETA. Because of this, I essentially consider Sellita movements as ETA movements. The Ginault’s clone movement has no pedigree and made by who knows? In this respect, I would have preferred the Ginault to have had a regulated Sellita movement any day of the week.
@@flyingspeedtriple that's a point you can't argue with. Selita is basically ETA.
It's an interesting question - where does the G7275 movement 'sit', quality wise, relative to the ETA 2824-2 and the Sellita Sw200, which one should consider of being equally good, and also how does it compare to the Chinese eta clones (peacock SL2000 and sea-gull ST2130) which seem to have quality control issues out of the factory (brass shavings/skin/fibres in the movement)?
@@flyingspeedtriple yes, and considering how awesome and special ginaults in-house is supposed to be, I find it rather odd how quick they where to push it aside and offer their ORII with a sellita.
I wish you included the Rolex in images of comparison with each homage watch.
Steinhart rules - I like the fact that they don't use/replicate the Oyster case, that makes it its own. Very nice quality, nice movement, overall in the top, but not a cheap watch either.
I have just had my 1984 Rolex 5513 Submariner serviced by Rolex for Euros 1000 and took 5 weeks. In the meantime I bought a Steinhart Ocean Blue. After having the Steinhart for about 3 months I have to admit the Steinhart is a better watch. It keeps better time and looks better. I have no idea how good the new Rolex Submariner is but now I wouldn't buy one. The Steinhart can be serviced anywhere for a fraction of the price or you could just by another one. You can buy a dozen Steinhart Ocean Blue watches for the price of a Rolex.
Excellent comparison. I was very close to getting a Tissel but gave up eventually. If only Steinhart have some curvature to it's models it would be my choice
I wouldn’t buy a Tisell.
Guy, you have produced exceptional comparison video and I appreciate significant effort!
Thank you Bear, keep up the good work too.
As a couple here who own Rolexes have opined, Steinhart is by far the best and most bang for the buck with the same ETA movement found in the Tudor Black Bay. I've owned an Ocean One for five years now and absolutely love both its look and its flawless functioning (still +2 seconds daily). You simply can't beat Steinhart.
Good of you for getting your hands on all of this watches, for this was a very good comparison!! It bring the horology further!!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻Thanks Guy!!🙏🏻🙏🏻
Thanks Torben.
Big thumbs up for concentrating on build quality and materials execution instead of stylistic differences.
Thank you!
The only remarkable watches on this review are the Invicta Pro Diver and the Steinhart Ocean One 39 (if the Ocean had a lume pip on the bezel it would be just perfect).
Another thumbs up for Ginault. Superior build quality, perfect aesthetics and timekeeping at +1s/d which puts even the big boys to shame and I own a couple of JLC's
Thanks for sharing and for watching Lewis.
I bought my Tissell Marine Diver in October of 2020 and its performance, fit and finish were flawless. It may have been the beneficiary of some of the better intentioned of these reviews. I also have three Invicta Pro Divers and the Crown came out of the first one several years ago. But samples two and three have been flawless. There is no such thing as a 100% zero-flaw QC co-efficient. (Just ask the average Rolex owner!) The Invicta, IMO at least, takes the "bang for the buck" homage honors, but the TISSELL gets you closer to a Rolex Sub (the lume, the bracelet, the sapphire crystal and the 9015 is actually MORE accurate than some Rolex Subs I've worn) per dollar spent. The Ginault starts getting into "real money", so I don't let myself get quite that far out over my watch collecting skis. But that's just me...
I think the Davosa is an homage to the Seadweller. Nice video - thanks!
Yeah their 40mm version would have been a better comparison but this is what they loaned me, and it’s a fine substitute.
Take your bracelet off the Ginault and soak it in a bowl of coconut oil. The glide lock will feel much better after you rinse it off.
Yeah I was trying to think of some way to get a little lubrication on it. I guess that’s one way!
JustBlueFish Watch Reviews it should do the trick
In defense of the Invicta;
You stated that your friend was a bartender and that he put the watch in dishwater repeatedly, day after day, for over a year?
If you put any watch in hot water condensation will form inside of the watch eventually causing problems.
Imo I think most likely the problem would be all that dishwasher, de-greaser and alcohol ruins stuff quick
To me it would be a Davosa followed by a Steinhart but in the 39mm size. The Ginault is not what it seems in my book and has an Asian clone movement to boot. Great review and each to his own. Enjoy.
The Davosa uses a Sellita movement, which is also a clone...
Yes but at least it's Swiss!
Truthfully I think a Casio Duro/Marlin is a good solid value for the money💰💴💵 and you can put all kinds of straps and mods on it.
The video we have all been waiting for. Thanks for getting into all this trouble for making it. The Davosa looks awesome btw, it has the greatest bang for the buck imho.
Thanks Hasin glad you liked it.
Ginault is the best sub homage.... if they put a genuine eta or Sellita in it I will buy one
Steinhart Ocean One 39 and Davosa Ternos 40mm seem to be the sweet spot. Neither too cheap nor too expensive.
I have an Invicta 8926ob I bought 14 years ago with the old Myota movement, I have beat the crap out of that watch for 14 years and have never had any problems with it. I've worn it to work, the beach, the pool. Hey, for 80 bucks, it was well worth it!!!!
Ginault. Hands down. All good but the Ginault is THE one you want.
Agreed
I've had a Squale 1545 Classic for about 3 years and I like it a lot. Looks great on wrist and it feels well built. Bezel action is spot on too.
Nice video. Informative and interesting as always!
The Squale really surprised me.
You pronounced Homage correctly, with a silent H!
I subscribed!
As an Homage, I got the Invicta for price only.
Hope it lasts longer than your friends experience!
Honest review! Keep it up.
Thanks!
There is also a invicta in the 300 dollar range you didn't review. It would be interesting to compare that watch to the others.
Referring to the Invicta 9937ob, a watch that I've owned since December 2005 and the watch that I still wear today in 2020.
Ginault for the quality vs the price its a better bang for the buck than the 8k dollar rolex
Just an update, I just got the Parnis GMT, and I think I need to say that the Parnis GMT was a disappointment. The only thing going for it was it has a Sapphire crystal, and ceramic bezel. But fit and finish, I think the Invicta has better fit and finish. The bezel on the Parnis GMT is loose in every direction, not only does it play turning the bezel. But it also has a little vertical play. The ceramic bezel looks like it's aluminum but not sure. The Jubilee bracelet though it has solid end links, the look and feel just looks cheap. I'm quite disappointed since the Daytona homage did impress me, I thought the GMT would give the same impression. It looks great, I ain't gonna lie, but tactile satisfaction leaves a lot to be desired. if your planning to get an affordable homage, I'd recommend the Invicta's over the Parnis.
Thanks for the update Carlo, appreciate it.
I have had no such issues with this bracelet on my Tisell. Mine works easy and you are being way too aggressive with it. It does not have the fit of the Rolex but I have found if you just feel it gently in it works fine and has never let me down. I own both the Rolex and Tisell and I am very impressed.
Agree 100%.
That was a thorough review. Thanks.
I can’t get past the stupid fish logo on the Squale, so I went with the Steinharts.
Awesome review and comprehensive comparison. I would like just to point out that the lowest end can go down to 22-25 dollars. Tevise (Chinese company with Chinese caliber) makes a brutal homage that has been becoming pretty popular as a beater. 30 meter "diver" (lol). With 65 to 90 dollars you can get a Loreo 200 meters Seagull movement and finally with 150 dollars you can find a Ticino sea viper (powered by Miyota 8215) 200 meters. All Chinese production that has become pretty popular because of low price and relatively "reliability". Thank you for this video, I believe it was needed. Keep it up Sir!!
Great job and happy to lend you the Steinhart. My wife is happy her watch is headed back also. Funny enough the Steinhart IMHO is like a mashup between the 5 digit and current version Submariner. Also my five digit sub has the style of clasp you seem not to prefer. So just a warning if you go after a five digit sub the bracelets and clasps are nowhere near the modern claps and bracelets. Myself I like my 2008 Submariner as I do not prefer the super case (except on the pepsi GMT). This was the BEST Sub homage comparison hands down all without any bias to boot! Great job
Thanks Manny, and tell your wife I’m sorry it took so long. I owe her one!
Mabe the water resistance on your friend Invicta fail because the silicone on the rubber gaskets got washed of little by little every time he put his hands in the soapy water? Since everybody worn people not to wash the watches with soapy stuff, I guess that could be the reason the water resistance failed on that Invicta
Great video by the way. Keep it going like that
Very good video and comparison. I don't completely agree to the ranking though, especially on that of the Steinhart. I would say it is of better quality as the Squale. And I personally would prefer it over the Davosa and the Ginault. For less of half of the price!
Thanks for watching.
As best I can tell, none of the listed watches are trying to produce an exact duplicate of the Rolex watch and in fact, IMO, Steinhart as an example produces homage watches to compare to Rolexe watches of the past. I happen to own three Steinhart watches (great value), Omega (actual vintage) Man on the Moon non-auto and a Rolex Thunderbird stainless and gold. The Thunderbird case most resembles my Steinhart watches. IMO, if one purchases Steinhart, then, you will be very satisfied with your purchase. The kicker is: even if you have Rolex money, it seems dealers do not have or do not want to sell unless specific criteria are met; also, wearing your wallet on your wrist has always been a huge risk.
Steinhart ocean one 👍💗
Put a divestrap on the Steinhart. Remove the oculus and there is a great Steinhart. Without resembling too much a Rolex.
Outstanding balanced presentation 👌
That Squale looks fantastic- I’d buy that in a heartbeat but I already have the Steiny 42mm OVM (and lovin’ it❤️)
Thanks Willard appreciate the feedback, enjoy that OVM!
Many thanks to you for putting together this comparison video of the various Sub homage divers. Personally, I do like the Squale but the lack of refinement on the brushing of the lugs really turned me off! The Ginault is also my favourite if not for the price. My threshold on this watch is $1000. The Steinhart is also nice for the money except that the lugs do not curve down to hug the wrist!
Happy holidays everyone!
Thanks, hope you liked the video. I was surprised by the Squale, I liked it a lot more than I expected, one of the better values out of the bunch.
All look very good! I prefer the blackbay 58 over all of them including the Rolex.
Love the black bay dark
I recently picked up a Tisell Marine Diver and have been very impressed over the first couple weeks with it. It is currently running at about -3sec/day, which I am quite happy with. The glidelock on mine also has none of the issues shown here. It locks up and releases easily, but hard enough that it will not come apart without decent effort. The sweep of the hand is very smooth on the Miyota 9015 movement. At $230, I don't think there are many other watches out there that can touch it.
Great review as always Guy! Thanks for putting it together. I own the Steinhart OVM39 and love it. You’re spot on about the case shape, but that’s a minor issue. The bracelet is better than the claps to be sure, but given its military aesthetic, my OVM spends all its time on NATO straps anyways. Have had both the Steinhart Ocean One 39 Green (the Kermit) and the Tissel green dial (Hulk) in the cart online, but never pulled the trigger. Held out for the Ginault model identical to yours. And I am impatiently awaiting its arrival in the mail as we speak. USPS says to expect delivery this coming Monday. So I got that going for me. 😁
Thanks for watching Chuck. Congrats on the Ginault, I hope you enjoy it.
I wouldn't spend AT ALL 1 grand for an homage... I mean, you have a lot of things for 1000$. But less than 500 is very different. I don't get the point on spending that much on Ginault. Thus, I read somewhere on the internet that the guy behind de brand was a well known Rolex counterfeiter. I'm not sure and I am not accusing anyone, but there's too many reasons to buy a Steinhart and not buy anything else. I also don't see the point on spending 10, grand on the real deal. Overpriced imo. At the moment the steinhart makes it all to me and to my wallet.
Great job on this video. It is YOU and one other watch lover that got me beyond excited about the Ginault Ocean Rover with date. Well I pulled the pin and dropped the $1200 for the Ginault. Wow!! I am in love with the watch! Nicest watch I have ever purchased and worn and worth every penny! I find myself constantly looking at it and admiring it. I am one of those guys that ALWAYS has my watch on, I sleep with it on, I shower with it on, I do everything with my watch on and feel naked if I don’t have it and this Ginault simply feels awesome! The glide lock bracelet is genius! On a serious note I kinda feel this bracelet should really become the standard now on all men’s watches. It’s simply amazing. Not only is it fun to look at but it is so damn functional. Thank you my friend for making these very cool videos as I very much enjoy watching them.
Thanks for watching. Glad you’re enjoying the watch. It really is in a class of its own.
Thanks for the great, detailed report.
Thanks for watching.
for my money, steinhart, but I'd also say the one I own currently has a sticky bezel and the ghost position no longer exists. When I unwind the crown, whatever gear causes the "ghost date position" to move, now moves when unwound, rather than in the 1st position like normal. So, they have quality issues. Quality issues I'd argue shouldn't exist on a $500 USD watch. Just my two cents.
I think Steinhart is the best, and I like the increased size of the 42mm. Invicta isn't all that bad if you buy it at the right price.
from first sight you can immediately tell that Davosa stands out. Looks amazing.
Have handled most of those. Steinhart gets my vote overall.
My vote is the Invicta. But then again I am not a huge Sub fan. My only drawback even for the price is the size of the indices.
Guy, did you had issues also with the 4R35/36 ? Because I can resonate with you about some 7S movements and also a NH35, but I have a bunch of 4R35/36 powered Seikos and I am impressed, they are rock solid and very accurate, pretty stable, reliable so far (oldest one is from 2011, also have one from 2014) and all of them around or under 6 secs per day, and I see no change in the accuracy even on the oldest ones.
I don’t recall specifically, I’ve seen fewer watches with the 4R movements, but the 4R has the same guts as the 7S so I would feel safe in assuming the same issues would exist. I am sure I did see these issues in the 6R movement and plenty of 7S movements. It’s not consistently in every watch but it comes up often enough for me to not trust it.
Tissot has a very credible member of this group -- the Seastar 1000 Powermatic 80.
I wish Steinhart would make a bracelet or clasp for my O1 42 that has a glidelock style. They would probably sell like crazy.
Thanks for watching.