importing rifles anywhere just sucks. This 2,5k dollar rifle only costs 1,3K euro in germany. it is considered cheap but still good shooting. But at least now you americans can have a taste of what it is like for us to get anything from the USA.
I own an older version of this rifle, a Sabatti US Tactical with the Rover action in 6.5 Creedmoor. My first load development test, using Hornady 147gr ELD-Ms and Reloder 26, I shot a one-hole 5-shot group at 200yds. According to Quickload, pressure was around 48,000psi, and average velocity was 2870fps on my Labradar. I was sold. The rifle is not picky, and shoots 140gr SMKs, 144gr Lapuas, and 145gr Barnes well. The rifle has a long freebore, so it might shoot better with handloads. I paid a little over $1k new, and it came with an AICS-compatible magazine. I've seen a newer version, with the EVO action, selling for less than $900 new in the US, also taking AICS-compatible magazines.
Retired and living in Germany. I also shoot : PRS, F-Class and Invitational (Government) Sniper Matches in Europe. Most of the .308 Sabatti TLD shooters are using the Hornady 208 grain ELD-M bullets and doing very well bucking wind!
The front rifle rest sure looks like a Targetshooting rest, I own a model500 with upgrades and love it. I hope the Sabatti becomes available, it would fit the bill for a 308 nicely, thanks Ray I've never heard of the company before
If they plan to offer a legit 1/4 MOA guarantee, they had better have a good return department. Most folks don’t have the skill or the conditions to be able to shoot 1/4” groups even if the rifle is capable of it.
When I shoot to test MOA guarantee’s I usually have the front and rear of the rifle fully supported. I become more of a glorified trigger puller. Gun is completely rock steady when trying to shoot groups. But otherwise yes, the rifle can shoot better than I can.
To offer that its most likely with their ammo in their facility. The guarantee is for the rifle not the shooter. That's how I'd do it at least but for a factory $2500 rifle to do that before break in would be very impressive
I’m stationed in Germany and own a few of these. They are imported here under the name Mercury straight from Sabatti. I have shot alongside many others at the bench, in PRS and F-Class style matches. They are accurate yes, though .25 MOA I would not say that from my experience. Under MOA yes but not .25. I have shot a couple 3 shot groups under .25 but on average I would say my 6.5 creed is a .75 gun over 1500 rounds fired. My .308 closer to .6 MOA. I will say i have only shot two groups with the 6.5 over MOA over all those rounds but one was prob me and the other I think I hand some bad rounds as it was like 6” off to the right. That said they are accurate for sure. Actions are not as smooth as say a Bergara, a Tikka or my Custom actions, and I have had some feeding issues with both. Overall for an off the shelf rifle I,m pleased with my experience. One thing to consider is parts availability if needed. Getting ahold of the manufacturer is not a quick thing,
I have the exact same rifle but in 223 here in the UK,I've had it 2 years now and love it, I'm shooting 75g eldm and have to single feed it as the round is to long to be mag fed,,I paid £ 1000 ,as it was on special offer,
If that price is for the rifles shown stock included they will sell. For many shooters that level of accuracy and stock features is more than enough while saving a few bucks for optics. Hope to see them here with tons of reviews to follow.
Wow! Awesome range and an awesome gun. Being able to shoot factory ammo of any kind at less than a 1/4 MOA is amazing. Unfortunately, I personally don't have the skill to get that type of accuracy out of any gun, but I keep on trying.
hi, it looks like you have an "old" version of the evo. The blizzard action (latest version) is a 3 lugs flutted tactical action and will be a"standard issue" from now on the evos.
I’d love to see this & the DD Delta 5 Pro have a shoot off. Both are very accurate and it would be a very close & interesting comparison. Say Use something like 5 factory match loads. Two 5 shot group per rifle per load. -Compare the single lowest moa 5shot group. -best combined average moa on 5 shot group. -best ten shot group with Whatever load was the most accurate in each rifle.
I really like the way that gun looks and if it’s a shooter 2500 bucks is a steal .. but me and you both know that gun shops will jack the price up by double like with the FEG’s that were said to be 3500 bucks and they are 8 grand
@@XRING Did all the sabatti's shot that good? Looking to get one in 6.5 CM, I'm guessing in terms of fit and finish there not ever close to the victrix but also only half the price...
You are 100% spot on. They don’t have the finish and feel of the Victrix but they shot just as well if not better with the factory ammunition we had available.
I own three already. One in 223 Remington , 6.5 Creedmoor and a 300 Winchester Magnum. IFG was the importer. But I think that is changing. They had an auction a few weeks ago selling off the Sabatti guns and parts. Also their customer service is not that great. Replacement parts are next to impossible to get.
Interesting but their website really needs some work, its very difficult to find the right information. Nevertheless I have still 4 months to make a choice
I have a TLD RED, I compete in Ftr and once you find the gunpowder, piston, bullet, you can treat yourself with the best on the market at 600y... and at 1000 and have pleasant surprises, for me there is no rifle in The market that out of the box works well ,,, and they have been competing in F class for more than 10 years
Looks like a nice rifle but I'm always hesitant to accept performance from a hand picked gun from a manufacturer. If they can actually mass produce a quarter minute gun(even though I don't think 3 shot groups are a good representation of performance) that's a game changer.
It wasn’t just one rifle. I shot about 10 different Sabatti rifles while I was here and they were all performers. Honestly, I really thought these were crazy expensive rifles and when I learned that they weren’t as expensive as I had assumed I had to do the review on them. Hopefully, they can maintain this level of accuracy when they hit the US. Granted, we only shot match Federal and match Lapua ammunition through them.
@@XRING Well, that's more encouraging for sure. Did you get the impression that these were just pulled off the assembly line or had they been previously tested to make sure they would perform. Even though they used match ammo it's still off the shelf which is impressive. I have yet to see a rifle that couldn't be improved with careful handloading so that will be interesting to see as well! Did you shoot any larger groups to check if they were consistent over larger strings? Thanks for the reply.
Yes sir, I normally do 5 shot groups as a minimum for grouping. However. I was a guest in a foreign country shooting their ammunition which is EXTREMELY expensive and difficult to get over there. Like 2-3 US dollars a round. I already felt bad enough about how much I was shooting. Also, I cleaned the rifles and removed the copper fouling shortly before doing this video. So, I did have to shoot enough to establish a copper equilibrium again.
Great question. Bullet group sizes are measured center to center. Take calipers and measure outside to outside edges and then the bullet diameter is subtracted from the total. That’s how groups are measured. 👍🏼
People spend thousands more on custom rifles to get them to shoot that good. If it'll do that with factory Ammo imagine what you might achieve with finely tuned home loads. Granted not much better cause its hard improve on that lol
.25MOA? Okay, the Sabatti might be able to legitimately do it… Good luck finding shooters who possess the skills to match their rifle as the majority of rifles are more accurate than their owners!
It depends on your shooting position. On steady front&rear rests, the human factor can be the least important factor. To my mind in this configuration wind is the most important and the rifle&ammo 2nd, human factor is 3rd.
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Man, that thread cover makes such a seamless closure... it's the small things.
Someone is having a lot of fun on this bucket list trip.
Thanks for taking us along.
That is an awesome range. Looks like your world tour stopped and stayed at the range. Enjoy every minute of it Ray.
I’m loving this series, brother!
importing rifles anywhere just sucks. This 2,5k dollar rifle only costs 1,3K euro in germany. it is considered cheap but still good shooting. But at least now you americans can have a taste of what it is like for us to get anything from the USA.
That’s right just like the DD MK18 I bought in France for 2,800 euros
What a trip. Thanks for all the videos.
Thanks again for sharing all these firearms. That’s some kind of vacation you are on.
Remarkable place to shoot. Good shooting Ray. Well done!
What we as shooters have available now, with factory rifles, shooting factory ammo, is incredible!!
You are absolutely correct John.
That’s some great shooting
Ray you are impressive🎉
Man! I am gonna have to keep my eye out for Sabatti. That’s the most accurate .308 factory rifle I have ever seen.
That is a really neat range!
I own an older version of this rifle, a Sabatti US Tactical with the Rover action in 6.5 Creedmoor. My first load development test, using Hornady 147gr ELD-Ms and Reloder 26, I shot a one-hole 5-shot group at 200yds. According to Quickload, pressure was around 48,000psi, and average velocity was 2870fps on my Labradar. I was sold. The rifle is not picky, and shoots 140gr SMKs, 144gr Lapuas, and 145gr Barnes well. The rifle has a long freebore, so it might shoot better with handloads. I paid a little over $1k new, and it came with an AICS-compatible magazine. I've seen a newer version, with the EVO action, selling for less than $900 new in the US, also taking AICS-compatible magazines.
Actually the Rover (Blizzard)action is the newer one. The Rem700 clone action is the old version
Retired and living in Germany. I also shoot : PRS, F-Class and Invitational (Government) Sniper Matches in Europe. Most of the .308 Sabatti TLD shooters are using the Hornady 208 grain ELD-M bullets and doing very well bucking wind!
The front rifle rest sure looks like a Targetshooting rest, I own a model500 with upgrades and love it. I hope the Sabatti becomes available, it would fit the bill for a 308 nicely, thanks Ray I've never heard of the company before
Looks great!!!
The actions from them are also one of the best the rifling is without a doubt the best on the market
The first rifle you had is also available with aics compatible magazines. Hère in Europe it's marketed as the version "US"
You know more about them than he does. He didn't know trigger details either.
If they plan to offer a legit 1/4 MOA guarantee, they had better have a good return department. Most folks don’t have the skill or the conditions to be able to shoot 1/4” groups even if the rifle is capable of it.
Probably if they do, they'll claim it out of a fixed action in a tunnel.
When I shoot to test MOA guarantee’s I usually have the front and rear of the rifle fully supported. I become more of a glorified trigger puller. Gun is completely rock steady when trying to shoot groups. But otherwise yes, the rifle can shoot better than I can.
To offer that its most likely with their ammo in their facility. The guarantee is for the rifle not the shooter. That's how I'd do it at least but for a factory $2500 rifle to do that before break in would be very impressive
It's an Italian company a guarantee to them is kinda like an opinion.
Fierce came with a .5moa guarantee and the packaged the rifle with the target with load info. Since they give you the load info it's really up to you.
I’m stationed in Germany and own a few of these. They are imported here under the name Mercury straight from Sabatti. I have shot alongside many others at the bench, in PRS and F-Class style matches. They are accurate yes, though .25 MOA I would not say that from my experience. Under MOA yes but not .25. I have shot a couple 3 shot groups under .25 but on average I would say my 6.5 creed is a .75 gun over 1500 rounds fired. My .308 closer to .6 MOA. I will say i have only shot two groups with the 6.5 over MOA over all those rounds but one was prob me and the other I think I hand some bad rounds as it was like 6” off to the right. That said they are accurate for sure. Actions are not as smooth as say a Bergara, a Tikka or my Custom actions, and I have had some feeding issues with both. Overall for an off the shelf rifle I,m pleased with my experience. One thing to consider is parts availability if needed. Getting ahold of the manufacturer is not a quick thing,
The first one looks bad-ass. Shoots better than I ever could.
The consistency of the grouping location is the real seller.
that is truly a "holy shit" rifle
I have the exact same rifle but in 223 here in the UK,I've had it 2 years now and love it, I'm shooting 75g eldm and have to single feed it as the round is to long to be mag fed,,I paid £ 1000 ,as it was on special offer,
I have one like that tactical. With scope, bipod and Area 419 arca rail it is 8kg. Also it makes .25 MOA 5 shots group.
Make another video with you at the F class nationals with that rifle and report back please !!!
If that price is for the rifles shown stock included they will sell. For many shooters that level of accuracy and stock features is more than enough while saving a few bucks for optics. Hope to see them here with tons of reviews to follow.
Nice rifle! I might just have to look at them a little closer. I have a couple custom rifles that shoot under a half inch.
That's a helluva accurate & beautiful rifle,& I always enjoy your videos. Will the rifle accept AICS pattern mags or is it proprietary to Sabatti?
Wow! Awesome range and an awesome gun. Being able to shoot factory ammo of any kind at less than a 1/4 MOA is amazing. Unfortunately, I personally don't have the skill to get that type of accuracy out of any gun, but I keep on trying.
Don’t be tough on yourself for not being able to shoot as well as the weapon. I can’t, and know hardly anyone who actually can. You do you, bubba.
@@DJJ81 Thank you 🙏.
Awesome👍👍
Do you have any idea if either of these two rifles are on sale yet here in the USA? Both look AWESOME!
I like it 👍👍
hi, it looks like you have an "old" version of the evo. The blizzard action (latest version) is a 3 lugs flutted tactical action and will be a"standard issue" from now on the evos.
Nice!!
Dang what a rifle and facilities….they got the right man on scene…😉
WOWSERS 😮!!!
Wish they would offer their barrels in the US.
I’d love to see this & the DD Delta 5 Pro have a shoot off. Both are very accurate and it would be a very close & interesting comparison.
Say Use something like 5 factory match loads. Two 5 shot group per rifle per load.
-Compare the single lowest moa 5shot group.
-best combined average moa on 5 shot group.
-best ten shot group with Whatever load was the most accurate in each rifle.
But how would you adjust for the fact that each rifle may prefer different ammo?
Was that an EP5 Arken on that 1st rifle?
My Sabatti TLD Red in 6.5x47 Lapua with the Blizzard action constantly shoots 1" 5shots at 300m
That's impressive for factory ammo. I would like to know more about the rifling.
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Fun stuff I’m jealous
I hope they got a decent number of those to the USA
I really like the way that gun looks and if it’s a shooter 2500 bucks is a steal .. but me and you both know that gun shops will jack the price up by double like with the FEG’s that were said to be 3500 bucks and they are 8 grand
That way you can buy one for yourself and one for the dealer😂
Where can i get one!!! I would like it in a 7 prc
What is the target system are they using that’s really cool and handy is there like a camera down there ?
Do they have this system in the states ?
I don’t know where this guy works but I want a job there haha
Whats the model of the first rifle?
Surely not same price as a tikka t1x rimfire?? Maybe u meant their chassis rifle?
Make a video about Victrix
What app is used to calculate group size? Would love to get it to compare it to ballistic X
It’s called Sub Moa. I have been using it for years. It was a free app when I got it. Not sure if it is free anymore.
Nice shooting. Good to see you have a good time on the scooter. Lol 😂
Bring them over here
Hey!! That's my basement!
Did you also shoot one of the newer sabatti EVO actions? It's also a 3 lug design, the 2 lug is the older action as far as I'am aware.
I really shot so many Sabatti rifles I really don’t know. I am sure I did at some point during this visit.
Seriously, probably 10+ Sabatti and 15+ Vectrix rifles
@@XRING Did all the sabatti's shot that good? Looking to get one in 6.5 CM, I'm guessing in terms of fit and finish there not ever close to the victrix but also only half the price...
You are 100% spot on. They don’t have the finish and feel of the Victrix but they shot just as well if not better with the factory ammunition we had available.
@@XRING Thanks! I think I will give it a try, I hope the trigger isn't too bad. Theres no aftermarket for the sabatti...
Needs an MDT double stack mag
I own three already. One in 223 Remington , 6.5 Creedmoor and a 300 Winchester Magnum. IFG was the importer. But I think that is changing. They had an auction a few weeks ago selling off the Sabatti guns and parts. Also their customer service is not that great. Replacement parts are next to impossible to get.
What range and in what country is that?
Private range and in the Middle East is all I am at liberty to say at this time.
I think it’s sheering many things with franchi varmint
Interesting but their website really needs some work, its very difficult to find the right information. Nevertheless I have still 4 months to make a choice
also i am going to need the coordinates to that facility
for peaceful purposes only i promise LOLOLOLOLOLOL
I sold mine, wouldn't group at all.
I have a TLD RED, I compete in Ftr and once you find the gunpowder, piston, bullet, you can treat yourself with the best on the market at 600y... and at 1000 and have pleasant surprises, for me there is no rifle in The market that out of the box works well ,,, and they have been competing in F class for more than 10 years
Looks like a nice rifle but I'm always hesitant to accept performance from a hand picked gun from a manufacturer. If they can actually mass produce a quarter minute gun(even though I don't think 3 shot groups are a good representation of performance) that's a game changer.
It wasn’t just one rifle. I shot about 10 different Sabatti rifles while I was here and they were all performers.
Honestly, I really thought these were crazy expensive rifles and when I learned that they weren’t as expensive as I had assumed I had to do the review on them. Hopefully, they can maintain this level of accuracy when they hit the US. Granted, we only shot match Federal and match Lapua ammunition through them.
@@XRING Well, that's more encouraging for sure. Did you get the impression that these were just pulled off the assembly line or had they been previously tested to make sure they would perform. Even though they used match ammo it's still off the shelf which is impressive. I have yet to see a rifle that couldn't be improved with careful handloading so that will be interesting to see as well! Did you shoot any larger groups to check if they were consistent over larger strings? Thanks for the reply.
Yes sir, I normally do 5 shot groups as a minimum for grouping. However. I was a guest in a foreign country shooting their ammunition which is EXTREMELY expensive and difficult to get over there. Like 2-3 US dollars a round. I already felt bad enough about how much I was shooting. Also, I cleaned the rifles and removed the copper fouling shortly before doing this video. So, I did have to shoot enough to establish a copper equilibrium again.
@@XRING I hear you. Looking forward to seeing more testing in the future.
No surprise it's from Italy !
We produce a lot of crap, also
@@jonathanmassaro3142 I meant Italy produces some good stuff !
How can you get .25 moa when the bullet is .308 of an inch??
Great question. Bullet group sizes are measured center to center. Take calipers and measure outside to outside edges and then the bullet diameter is subtracted from the total. That’s how groups are measured. 👍🏼
They are a great rifle available in Australia.
I have a savage AR10 that does that all day at 100 yards.
😂👍
People spend thousands more on custom rifles to get them to shoot that good. If it'll do that with factory Ammo imagine what you might achieve with finely tuned home loads. Granted not much better cause its hard improve on that lol
Have fun in the UAE!
I have always had better groups with the 168 FGMM in my rifles
LOL guns with 1moa guarantees shoot an average of 1.8 ... but that single group the factory gets counts...
.25MOA? Okay, the Sabatti might be able to legitimately do it… Good luck finding shooters who possess the skills to match their rifle as the majority of rifles are more accurate than their owners!
It depends on your shooting position. On steady front&rear rests, the human factor can be the least important factor. To my mind in this configuration wind is the most important and the rifle&ammo 2nd, human factor is 3rd.
But no one supports the action.
Holy crap. That's cheap.
.25 moa on 3 shots, why the hell don't you shoot five at least??? I know the answer 😂
How do we get one?
Beretta is in fact the oldest continuous firearms manufacturer to date.