The bit about Lister being an amateur robotics expert makes perfect sense. He’s a classic case of someone who suffers from low self-esteem and depression. He is a very emotional person. Possibly brought on by his rough upbringing. He never had any roots, or a meaningful mentor. Lost his ‘dad’ when he was young. Lisa Yates loved him and wanted him to do something with his life, but he left her. He quite often empathises with the others when they have their personal crises, but rarely do they help him. He always let his paranoia win. His chirpy optimism is often a mask for how he really feels. He always drifted, never stuck with anything (jobs, art college), turned to petty crime and heavy drinking. He even recognises this when he judges himself as The Inquisitor (‘you’ve got brains, man, brains you never used’)… He simply never had the opportunity to realise his full potential. Maybe his alternate counterpart ‘Spanners’ is what Lister could have been if he just believed in himself and listened to those who loved and cared for him?
Your first statement, that your theories might make me rethink my next rewatch instantly made me say an emphatic NO, Then I watched your explanations and I need to explore. Nobody NEEDS an excuse to rewatch but I'm so grateful you provided it.
My theory is that the reason why Rimmer was sent to repair the drive plates was because the job was actually relatively simple, it's just that there was an incredibly high risk of death (as the drive plates were holding back radiation) so they sent the most disposable crew member (Rimmer) to do it. Maybe Rimmer, being such a coward, didn't actually even fix the drive plates because he was scared of dying, so just lied about fixing them. Him saying Lister could have helped him and that Lister is to blame is because Rimmer thinks that he could have just sent Lister to actually fix the plates because he views Lister as disposable too.
@@KyrieKirigiri there are plenty of industrial accidents that are a collection of lots of poor management and activities by lots of people that are triggered by what should be a routine job by a member of crew - Piper Alpha for example. It's perfectly possible for someone like Rimmer to topple the first domino on a clunky poorly maintained ship like red dwarf, and for him to assume that he was the one solely responsible, especially if the captain and staff were looking to scapegoat and belittle someone to cover over poor management practices.
The conspiracy - My theory is that Red Dwarf was an inside job. It makes no sense whatsoever that Rimmer would be put in charge of fixing the drive plate, and that's been pointed out more than once. We know that it's an old ship and we know that the Captain is underqualified. What if the Jupiter Mining Corporation planned to destroy Red Dwarf for the insurance? The company could throw Rimmer under the bus for screwing up and Hollister under the bus for putting him in charge. This theory also explains why Holly would take Red Dwarf out of the solar system at full speed rather than just park it in orbit until radiation reached a safe background level. The Inquisitor - Yeah, it's my headcanon that he's just a deranged simulant with delusions of grandeur. I think that's why Kryten got under his skin. He basically pointed out that he and the Inquisitor are the same and questions his motives. If you're a narcissistic being with a God complex but no real authority, that would definitely wind you up. Lister is a genius - He did start studying robotics in Series X. The writers seem to have leaned more and more into the idea that he's actually pretty smart. He was certainly the most emotionally intelligent character from series II onwards, and The Inquisitor outright states that he's smarter than he lets on. I think the current characterisation is basically "brilliant but lazy," which fits with the way the character has matured over the years.
@@JagoHazzard I've said the same in another comment but it's perfectly acceptable to assume that Rimmer was sent to do what should be a routine job but triggered an industrial accident by encountering poorly maintained equipment. Plenty of real life accidents like Piper Alpha or The Camelford poisoning were "triggered" by a lower member of staff performing a routine task, but many many mistakes and poor management led to a situation in which safety protocols weren't effective. Rimmer would naturally assume he was solely responsible as he was the person who happened to kick start the process, but this probably was enhanced by Hollister and JMC higher ups happily blaming him as the scapegoat to hide their poor management and safety record. There are many many real world examples of this, and sending a lower member of crew to do a dangerous task is also routine. Rimmer only held himself responsible but in a court of law JMC would be held seriously liable for safety violations. But since they are all long dead Rimmer is the last to take on the guilt and blame.
I always assumed the reason the Red Dwarf crew are never mentioned after series 8 is either because Lister, Cat, Kryten and Kochanski hopped realities to escape the microbe, or the nano bots returned the ship to its pre-series 6 state, disintegrating the crew in the process. Also I love the idea that Kryten’s defence of Rimmer was so effective that it actually enabled Rimmer to do some healing and let go of the blame for the accident. I always found Rimmer to be a tragic figure and one who wouldn’t deserve so much hate from the others in a more serious show.
Yes, that is explicitly explained, but Starbug approaches the Red Dwarf and then Starbug approaches the new Red Dwarf. And it's supposed to be the same approach.
Lister is undoubtedly smarter than he comes across, he just bums around - at the same time, at his point in history being a robotics buff might be equivalent to someone being good at repairing their own car these days. Re the crew after series 8, they could have crashed or died elsewhere or not survived long due to nanobot flaws. And almost any change to timeline can be explained that we are switching one universe over 😅
5:55 Rimmer doesnt have to be "innocent" before the inquisitor. There is no morality involved. In fact you just need to have lead a meaningful existance, "worthwhile", as judged by your own standards; Rimmer would as only need to meet Rimmer's own version of "worthwile", which for A.J. is "important"- and how important is it to wipe out the crew of Red Dwarf and be responsible for the last surviving member of the human race? I for one would argue that Rimmer being responsible for the deaths of the entire crew of the Crimson Short One (at least a thousand people by series 5) make his existence MORE worthwhile
The Peterson theory isn't a real thing remember Holly had gone senile at that point. He could've been mistaken by the person whose ashes Listers ate. The Toddhunter saying ship was a complicated thing. If the whole floor 13 thing was a real thing in the first few seasons it would stand to reason he wouldn't count the prisoners, the guards and the warden The Bexley thing still occurred it was spoken about in the season 4 opener. The text crawl said that Bexley died so Lister knew about that and was able about telling his younger self.
It could easily have been hidden from the start of series 1 as ships don't have a floor 13. Every ship I've worked on skips 13, going from 12-14, and if only lifts were used to move between decks then it would easily not be questioned
A senile Holly being mistaken about the ashes belonging to Petersen makes the most sense in regards to fixing that particular plot hole. Another possibility is that Holly lied about it being Petersen because he thought it was funny to make Lister think he'd just eaten part of his best friend's remains, Holly is shown in the same scene to have developed a somewhat dark sense of humour with the comment "she [Kochanski] won't be much use to you on Fiji now, not unless it snowed and you needed something to grit the path with".
@@JSmith19858 I'm aware it's just that people often call out the prison colony on floor 13 when it's introduced in season 8. The idea was a strange one but if you really think about it kinda makes sense what doesn't is why Kochanski didn't know and tell the others about it at some point. Holly says that of the officers knew about it that would include the Navigation officer right?
Thats almost as bad as the ending of monty pythons holy grail. Where a bunch of cops travel back in time to arrest our knights even though none of them were the one that killed the archeologist. Giant waste of time
I've mentioned before that I believe there are several drive rooms on the ship. Remember, it took them hours to take the elevator down to find the stasis leak, and Cat complains about the in-flight meal. It means the ship is HUGE. If a ship is that big only has one captain, then it'd make sense for multiple areas of the ship to have a drive room. If there's an emergency that requires the captain on deck, there would be consequences and disasters that would happen if it takes the captain several hours to return to the drive room if he's at the other end of the ship. This would explain why the drive rooms keep changing looks and the bunk rooms etc, because the boys of the dwarf are migrating through the ship once food supplies are depleted, so they venture to the next area, and set up shop there for a while.... plus, Listers lazy, so he can't be bothered replenishing supplies. He just figures the others are already stocked, so use them instead. It's probably safe to assume the season 1 drive room is the very top of the ship. But it's possible a couple of them look similar? So the drive room Petersons' ashes are in wasn't the same as where Rimmers death occurred. Now, onto the change of the ship. The ship was reconstructed by the nano bots, and they rebuilt it to its original design specifications.... however, also recall that when they built things, they were even bigger and took time to return to normal size. Hence, the ship shrinking in Back In The Red, and Listers body builder body reverting back to normal..... well, those were those things, but what if Red Dwarf also was shrinking back to normal from the rebuild design to its original look? It's never explained how the nanobot tech works, so maybe over the next few years, it slowly shrinks back to its original form?
Also... why was Peterson in the control room? Simple; With Lister in stasis, he took the chance to hit on Kochanski and tell her how great he was in bed!
the crew discrepancy is best described with the idea 169 is a pure skeleton crew with minimal operations (not including deck 13), with the other 1000 being during full operations.
The Dave is secretly brilliant theory makes a lot of sense to me. I knew someone that was a lot like Lister. An incredibly smart person who had zero interest in participating in normal society. Some people do not care about success and only want to eat good food and hang out with their friends. They only work to pay for their needs.
Rimmer didn't make himself innocent, he made himself "the best he could be with the hand he was dealt" in his own mind. Having bad parents isn't exactly a way to get out a guilty verdict for second degree murder. The inquisitor was not looking for guilt, he was looking for "making the most of your life", plenty of evil people would've passed his test if they said they were leading a nation to greatness.
That's the issue I have with the Inquisitor. He's purging history of all who doubt themselves and everyone suffering from depression, and replaces them with arrogant egomaniacs and psychopaths. I would question how he ever thought that that would improve humanity, but he was the first person to ever pass his own test, which explains it.
Lister being a robotics genius makes a lot of sense. Several points in the series (including the inquisitor) he is said to have been a lot smarter than he acts and that he could have made something of his life if he wanted.
As we never got to see much of Red Dwarf, before the accident, it was interesting to have a series with the crew. Rob Grant's prequel will also give us some backstory, before Lister and Rimmer board the ship.
Lister is a vending *MACHINE* repair man. Just because all we saw of him was passing Rimmer a nozzle cleaner doesn't mean he's not actually a proper repair man with skills to repair machinery.
Lister is indeed an extremely intelligent and gifted individual. He had the potential to be a lot more than the art college drop-out/supermarket trolley attendant/lowest ranked crew member aboard the ship/space bum he turned out to be. Perhaps 'Spanners' from Dimension Jump is an approximation of what Lister could've been if he had any sort of drive or work-ethic.
Good video. 1. Nope. Rimmer admits it, and the justice computer detects his sense of guilt. Peterson may have been delivering a cup of tea. 4. The xrays were just simply background filler to establish were were looking into the medical room. 5. The justice computer detects Rimmer's SENSE of guilt, based on the delusion that he is the most important person on the ship. The inquisitor detects the lies Rimmer tells himself to maintain the delusion that he is not an awful human being. 6. If he can turn to soft light, why didn't he walk out of prison on Rimmer world. 7. Given that the Dwarf meets an alternate dimension version of itself, there are no rules save for whatever serves the moment. 8. Great point, but I disagree with you about Rimmer. As Rimmer says, "With the life he's had, who else could he be?" 10: Lister has always made it clear that his laziness was his problem, not his intelligence, so it's completely possible that he's smarter than his station suggests. BUUUT, by the things he values, perhaps he's as successful as he wants to be? Not withstanding the Fiji and Kochanski dreams. He cares about the things that will make him feel good, not the superficial trapping such as pieces of paper. When Rimmer's status over him starts to impact that, he then takes and passes the minimum effort exam that will eliminate that problem.
6. I haven't seen the episode for a while but I _think_ Rimmer says that he has escaped and they kept recapturing him, or that he would be captured again so didn't bother trying to escape and just hunkered down waiting to be rescued. Plus he's more vulnerable in soft light, like in Demons and Angels when Lister crushes the Angel Rimmer's light bee, so it would be risky to go soft, however briefly, on a planet of Rimmers that wanted to execute him. Dave fails the chef's exam, he just pretended to pass it to annoy Rimmer.
1:10 - on Theory 1: Maybe Olaf Peterson survived the initial blast wave but later succumbed to radiation poisoning. As one of or the only survivors, he would have headed to the drive room.
Red Dwarf's design changed because *when* Kryten's Nanites restored the ship, they restored it according to it how Red Dwarf was originally designed by its designers *BEFORE* the JMC ordered cutbacks on it's design to save money. Captain Hollister and Dr. Karen Newton were talking about it in "Back in the Red, Part 1": Dr. Karen Newton: What's this rumour that we're three million light years into deep space, and Red Dwarf's changed shape? Capt. Frank Hollister: *That* is *classified* information, Karen! Who the hell told you that? Dr. Karen Newton: The coffee machine on G-deck. Capt. Frank Hollister: That damn coffee machine. I'm gonna bust his ass down to tampon dispenser! Dr. Karen Newton: Is it true? Capt. Frank Hollister: Until we get Holly back up, we can't verify it. Starbug took out one of his CPU banks in the crash and we're having trouble rebooting. Dr. Karen Newton: The coffee machine said the ship's now identical to its original design plans, before the JMC made all its cutbacks? Capt. Frank Hollister: We now have a quark-level matter/anti-matter generator, ship-wide bio-organic computer networking, and a karaoke bar on C-deck. Remember? :)
Id like to have seen mcorp be a continuous part of future echoes. How listers arm is robotic could be explained by the epideme episode. On school run so cant go in depth.
Everything after the end of series 8 takes place in a different universe, they left Rimmer a note telling him that they fled to a different reality, the hologram version seen in those series is native to that reality
Sounds a good theory but then begs the question where is the other Lister, Kryten, Cat and Kochanski that actually belongs in the reality they fled to. They just so happened to randomly land in a reality where the ship was empty?
I was just thinking that when Donna DiStefano plays Kochanski in Stasis Leak it was another parallel universe version of her and thus the justification for the Chloe Annett one looking nothing like her either.
I always had a different theory to those mentioned. That the events of Timeslides actually altered the events of Stasis Leak. Because Rimmer saw himself as a hologram at age 8, he believed his future self rather than regarding him as just a mushroom induced hallucinaton. So after misrepairing the drive plate, he headed into stasis rather than report to Hollister and die in the control room.
I'm surprised there was never an episode or Red Dwarf where they somehow went back in time to before the radiation leak happened and future Rimmer accidentally caused it to happen.
The future where Bexley dies in the drive room did happen. It happened off screen in the Star Wars style words that're on the beginning of the first episode of the next season.
The Inquisitor is kind of a fascist. He doesn't really care if the person is guilty or innocent, only that they are confident and thus grabbed life by both hands.
He's judging everyone by the standards that he arrogantly sets for them which is doomed to failure as it assumes that everyone is exactly the same with the same drives, input and personality so of course everyone will lead very different lives with unique motivations
Lister isn't a robotics genius, he's a bodger. And at least one other has pointed out he lives in a time when robotics are extremely common place, it probably still requires more no how than say changing a plug but maybe not by as much as you might think. I mean he might have a talent for it though, he's not actually stupid, but when we first meet him he's in his early 20's he hasn't had a chance to work out his life or what he really wants to do and then he never will have that chance because it's been 3 million years and what he knew as life is over, that doesn't mean he can't develop a bit though, but his bad habits will likely have developed too
Theory 7 - that was the future as it stood at the time. There's been a few resets of the timelines since. Same reason why Lister never goes back to marry Kochanski, and why Kochanski changes her past and look. Claire Grogan was the replacement that the Inquisitor created and was wiped when Inquisitor was erased from history
5. Rimmer was judged guilty because he thinks he murdered the crew.. But the Inqusitor see's him inocent because hes selfish and self centered as is Cat while Liester and Kryton put others first so were guilty as the Inqus had malfuctioned
The nano bots that escaped from kryton remade the ship to its original build plans before budget cuts reduced it to the hulk of crap that we first see in episode 1!!!
Everything between ‘Back to Reality’ and ‘’Back to Earth’ are Squid delusions designed to protect the “little fishy” Cat smuggled on board. With the crew occasionally waking up between seasons and slowly becoming immune by ‘Back to Earth’.
man, I can never stop and think too hard about Rimmer and his non-human-ness for too long, I get upset lmao. I love my silly space comedy show but ahh, the mostly unmentioned existential horror of being a thing that was once human and now is not; it's so good. brb off to think about the sun/moonlight speech for a while and cry.
The movie was the prefect opportunity to see the return of ace rimmer. instead of that diamond version of rimmer or whatever his name was. god i really need to know what happens to ace rimmer. how did rimmer do as Ace lol
@@maniac1075 Not that rimmer. He was still out there attempting to save people 😂 Or cowering. God it would be so funny to find out how he did as rimmer
Theory 2 - the ship was built on the original design before the JMC cutbacks, that's why it's so much longer. Maybe the nanobots were still working on building it as S7 ends and S8 starts
An interesting coincidence i noticed. We first meet Rimmer and Lister in corridor 159. If you add together Rimmer and Lister alphanumerically(a=1 b=2 c=3) you get 159. Probably doesnt mean anything just a neat coinkydink :)
Wow. I'm intrigued by the theory of series 8 being an artificial reality dream. Now that artificial intelligence is taking off, immersion inside of one seems a credible possibility, even if many years in the future.
Agree. The city was the size of a city and 169 does seem low for the number of different jobs and skill sets that would be required and there would have to be a working crew 24 hours a day 7 days a week with lets say an 8 hour work day
It also seems pretty unlikely that if the ship did only have 169 crew, that they would need 26 (A-Z) different maintenance shifts....even if you accept that Rimmer and Lister are the entirety of Z shift, then that's still 52 maintenance staff out of a total of 169 crew!? That's a very high percentage of the crew focussed on unclogging the chicken soup nozzles and replacing fun sized crunchy bars!!
Why? By definition a conspiracy isn't just made up. Some are but it just means people conspire together to do something....I'm conspiring to travel cross country on a bike...it doesnt make it a lie or false. Just that its a secret or private plan to do something unlawful or harmful. Traveling cross country can be both. Since interstate travel is restricted to non pedestrian vehicles. And I could get hurt, so by definition. A conspiracy
After the season 3 episode "Time slides" anything said or shown before that becomes irrelevant due to the timeline changing as Rimmer is still alive 3 million years in the future and then dies at the end of the episode. This is never retconned.
@@jamesmeppler6375 the show continues from that point, it is the reality we're following. We're still following the same crew, we are never shown a reset, an alternate version or anything else. Rimmer is alive at the end of the episode and then dies. At no point is it shown that it is an alternate reality. It is shown as a change to the current continuity. We are however shown alternate realities, like the reverse gender one ,the one where Kochaski comes from or all the alternative Rimmers. It is still the main continuity.
My theory: The despair squid revealed the truth about Rimmer. He actually is a mind wiped secret agent. The problem is, they lost Red Dwarf before Rimmer could check for the microdot. When the crew finally found Red Dwarf, there was a new Rimmer that never encountered the despair squid, so isn't aware of the microdot.
@@jamesmeppler6375nope. Mind wiping, or the ability to completely remove information from a person's brain is shown to exist in the Red Dwarf universe. The information isn't suppressed, it is completely removed. How can Rimmer remember something that was literally removed from his consciousness? This is evidenced in the episode "Thanks for the memories" where Rimmer, Lister, Cat and Holly erase 4 days from their memories at Rimmer's request after Rimmer has false memories implanted by Lister. In addition the episode "Body Swap" shows consciousness can be completely removed, swapped, altered and deleted.
@@QuagmiresDooflaba series is a set of tv episodes that are broadcast with the same title. A season is is each year of the series. By definition, its basically the same thing. A season is the same thing, a set tv episodes that are broadcast with the same name...only differentiated by the year it was produced. Justice league has 2 series. Justice league has 2 seasons and series 2 is called Justice league unlimited and has 3 seasons, but also 3 series since the story is different each time. Which means red dwarf is seasons and arcs but not series since its the same series....you seem to be misusing the word. I think you're meaning series arc...and arc is part of a series that tell a story over a number of episodes. So basically they are all the same thing with minor difference but wouldn't prevent overlapping in a ven diagram.
@@jamesmeppler6375 season is American. Series is UK. As Red Dwarf is a UK show, series is the correct term. Look at the videos and DVDs etc. They don't say season, they say series.
Agreed. IIRC he stated that the ship was built to it's ORIGINAL design specs which were for the ship we see in S8 and not the previous ship which was made smaller due to budget cuts.
Rimmer's Diamond-Light Mode not only allows him to shift back-&-forth between Soft-Light Mode and Hard-Light Mode, it also allows him take objects with him, *AND* move fast(er) than Light...
A little add-on for Theory 5! Rimmer and Lister’s Series X debate on who was truly at fault, the man or the system? Rimmer was so convinced that he was arguing in his own defence, only for Lister to turn around and blame him for the drive plate incident. I like to imagine Lister was arguing against Rimmer that time just to get on his pecks given the context
Here's one. Holly lost count of the years during Listers stay in suspended animation. Since Holly has computer-sernility and forgot an awful lot of stuff could it be possible Holly lost count at some point during those 3 million years. Like he, started to count again from 1 after 1,654,455 and maybe forgot that he started again. Then lost count again, started again, and forgot that she started again, again. This means Lister was in stasis for more than 3 million years. Perhaps it was billions, trillions. The only reason anyone ever says 3 million is because Holly said so. Kryten had already gone a little odd by the time they found him so he probably lost count too and relies on Holly. And what if it's actually closer to the end of the universe? This could explain all the discrepancies between series, such as all the continuity errors such as Listers ever evolving guitars shape, why the date of the accident keeps changing and so on. Anything that doesn't add up is because as the universe dies, the time line alters itself. This would also fit within the series as it would be ironically funny if the crew spent all this time looking for Earth, only to reach it as the universe is about to die.
No...even if you don't know where you are you can find yourself on a map based on how fast you were going and for how long...how much fuel has been used ect ect....its proven that part was correct....if we are going 200k mph extrapolating 3m years...24 hours in a day...4,800,000 miles in one day 480m in 109 days ect ect... And if they are going in circles as it shows they are...there would be more stuff..but since there isn't it means its gone and 3m years is plenty of time for our civilization to destroy itself. But you figure there would be more...
Queeg says Holly was going in circles, in the episode "Queeg" Queeg is Holly and in an elaborate joke he said that to plant doubt in own capabilities because he feels unappreciated. Therefore that information is not to be trusted, he also states Holly's I.Q is 6 ffs. Who do you think has a map of space 3 million years travel time from Earth? No one because it is uncharted space. Holly is senile, Kryten went mad and thought his crew were alive when they were literally skeletons. Neither is a reliable source of information. Even when it is stated in series 8, it is the chronolger that indicates they are 3 million years travel time into deep space. Why would a chronolger even go to 3 million years when humam life span is at best around 80-100 years? That isn't the orignal Red Dwarf but one that is built to the technical specifications that the Dwarf should have been built to before "budget cuts". The nanobots just cobbled together whatever they could from what they knew and those nanobits had also decayed to the point of rebellion against their master. They even turned Red Dwarf into a plantoid amd got lost in Listers laundry basket. Yet again an unreliable source of information. It also does not take a lot of fuel to move in the vacuum of space. In fact it takea very little energy to move any mass in space necause there is no gravitt or resistant force. Once an object starts moving it will not stop unless an oppsite force is applied. @@jamesmeppler6375
Also as far as the crew evacuating the ship at the end of series 8, did that include all the prisoners? Or were they left behind and locked up and forgotten about?
Re the Inquisitor - it's always bothered me that he does the opposite of his mission with the dwarfers. Krysten and Lister both prove they've done something with their lives, mostly because of each other, and yet they're erased.
I love the episode, but there's no internal logic even within the episode itself......Kryten when facing the inquisitor, states that the only way a droid could justify it's existence was if it broke it's programming and lived by a set of rules it comes to on it's own.....but later in the same episode, Lister claims it's his fault Kryten has been erased, because he taught him to break his programming!?
Have you done the one where the Lister from Stasis Leak is the Lister that becomes the Brain in the Jar in Out of Time? And that whole timeline got cancelled when Rimmer blew up the Time Drive. Both the Rimmers are sporting moustaches. And Lister mentions how his future self seems more arrogant, which could retroactively be foreshadowing the group's lapse in morality.
Lister probably had a bit of knowledge of electronics, just like many people like tinkering with cars or computers even though they aren't trained in that field. Lister was just lazy and all he wants to do is drink beer, eat curry and slob the day away
From virtually to literally invincible. Capable of changing solid to light at will. Pin point accuracy with a laser-pointer from miles away. Yeah, you'll have to tell me what it take to count as a legit upgrade?
The way people talk about it is like its good. It is better than Stargate universe but I believe the kids show space cases was better. I finally sit down to watch and by the 3rd series/season I've already had enough. Its funny but most the scenes are the same. Lister and rimmer talking in bunks or telling each other to smeg off. The people in the UK talk about smegma a lot for some reason...jokes about not showering and cleaning?
I think that everything from the end of series 8 has occurred in the positive universe. It started with the joy squid in Back to Earth. This can be confirmed in the episode Twentica, as the last encounter between the crew and the rogue simulants was in the negative universe, and that's why they found Rimmer on his own, because that's where they would have naturally gone looking for the rest of the crew.
The end of Only the Good l think that as all the crew are remade by Kryten nanobots. they melted and that may explain way Rimmer is back as a hologram in back to earth ?
If you allow for the creators implementation of their ideas to evolve over the series then the change of the ships appearance doesn't matter in a way that would effect canon
Amazing video but i have one question, how DID George die? And if so what happened to him in the radiation leak? I dont know if there is any evidence to show what happened but consider it, awesome vid again
George's death is explained in the books which I won't spoil incase you haven't read them yet. Unless the radiation damaged his light-bee, as a hologram George presumably would've been perfectly fine physically. However the more 'heartless machine-like' Holly that existed pre-computer senility probably would've switched him off since he no longer served any practical function and would've been a drain on resources.
@@Anu_SolThe highest ranking dead person gets to be the hologram, so after the drive plate incident, that would be the captain. Who clearly did not stick around for three million years of being alone.
@@Anu_Solthanks for not spoiling it m8 and something I’m thinking about is that the light bee didnt appear until series three or four with the high and low ships so my theory is that the bee got damaged in the leak and was under repairs wile holly used other methods to keep him running until it was fixed by either holly or kryten which is why he was in the holo cage in series 2
It's a pretty safe bet that humanity as we know it did not remain unchanged for three million years. It didn't even remain unchanged for the last half million. Most types of hominids are extinct already, and there isn't even a consensus on what is and what isn't a hominid. For all we know the ants have taken over. In one of the books, Earth has been turned into a dump and then expelled from the solar system.
They all fled on blue ships and starbugs in an emergency and didn't have time to fill the ships with food, fuel or other supplies meaning in all likelihood they would not have survived very long and Kryten calculated it to be unlikely.
On board this shift? If they meant shift then they wouldn't say on board. X rays of the babies? They took them automatically to make sure they are healthy. I feel like theories go so far off the rails that it ignores the obvious, what we see and are told. Feaver dreams are over done. The ship is the size of a city. The size of one floor is larger than London. So the ship is bigger than the UK. So 11,000+ people would make more sense. Unless it was a skeleton crew set up to kill everyone for insurance payout Im wondering where the butler went. One episode they find him, the next hes gone. Im wondering why the max speed is stated to be 200,000 mph which is much slower than light speed.... I think in the first season/series/arc shows us the Red Dwarf is going in circles. If its going on a straight line, how can they run into their own garbage pod if they havent been there yet. We see a diagram in the same episode with paper showing giant circles. Which suggests further they are going in circles. Then the mail they receive. How can mail sent before they left be ahead of them if they arent going in circles.
5:09 x-ray image of a baby and umbilical, in between Jim and Lister. In the next shot, above Bexley's head, we see the 2 babies seperate by a long white mass. Lung scans, don't look like that
The Peterson hypothesis is 100% based on polystyrene cups in/not the shot. (reference to GoT) The X-Rays can't all be of Lister, one of them is of a spine (Behind Lister under the "M in room) and that spine has so severe scoliosis there is no way that is Lister. I think the reason Rimmer judges himself guilty at first, is his sense of guilt. But when asked if his life overall has been worth while, his arrogance tells him that the guilt over one killed crew, isn't enough to make up for Admiral A.J. Rimmers incredible exploits!
The bit about Lister being an amateur robotics expert makes perfect sense. He’s a classic case of someone who suffers from low self-esteem and depression. He is a very emotional person. Possibly brought on by his rough upbringing. He never had any roots, or a meaningful mentor. Lost his ‘dad’ when he was young. Lisa Yates loved him and wanted him to do something with his life, but he left her. He quite often empathises with the others when they have their personal crises, but rarely do they help him. He always let his paranoia win. His chirpy optimism is often a mask for how he really feels. He always drifted, never stuck with anything (jobs, art college), turned to petty crime and heavy drinking. He even recognises this when he judges himself as The Inquisitor (‘you’ve got brains, man, brains you never used’)… He simply never had the opportunity to realise his full potential. Maybe his alternate counterpart ‘Spanners’ is what Lister could have been if he just believed in himself and listened to those who loved and cared for him?
Totally
Your first statement, that your theories might make me rethink my next rewatch instantly made me say an emphatic NO,
Then I watched your explanations and I need to explore.
Nobody NEEDS an excuse to rewatch but I'm so grateful you provided it.
My theory is that the reason why Rimmer was sent to repair the drive plates was because the job was actually relatively simple, it's just that there was an incredibly high risk of death (as the drive plates were holding back radiation) so they sent the most disposable crew member (Rimmer) to do it. Maybe Rimmer, being such a coward, didn't actually even fix the drive plates because he was scared of dying, so just lied about fixing them. Him saying Lister could have helped him and that Lister is to blame is because Rimmer thinks that he could have just sent Lister to actually fix the plates because he views Lister as disposable too.
@@KyrieKirigiri there are plenty of industrial accidents that are a collection of lots of poor management and activities by lots of people that are triggered by what should be a routine job by a member of crew - Piper Alpha for example. It's perfectly possible for someone like Rimmer to topple the first domino on a clunky poorly maintained ship like red dwarf, and for him to assume that he was the one solely responsible, especially if the captain and staff were looking to scapegoat and belittle someone to cover over poor management practices.
The conspiracy - My theory is that Red Dwarf was an inside job. It makes no sense whatsoever that Rimmer would be put in charge of fixing the drive plate, and that's been pointed out more than once. We know that it's an old ship and we know that the Captain is underqualified. What if the Jupiter Mining Corporation planned to destroy Red Dwarf for the insurance? The company could throw Rimmer under the bus for screwing up and Hollister under the bus for putting him in charge. This theory also explains why Holly would take Red Dwarf out of the solar system at full speed rather than just park it in orbit until radiation reached a safe background level.
The Inquisitor - Yeah, it's my headcanon that he's just a deranged simulant with delusions of grandeur. I think that's why Kryten got under his skin. He basically pointed out that he and the Inquisitor are the same and questions his motives. If you're a narcissistic being with a God complex but no real authority, that would definitely wind you up.
Lister is a genius - He did start studying robotics in Series X. The writers seem to have leaned more and more into the idea that he's actually pretty smart. He was certainly the most emotionally intelligent character from series II onwards, and The Inquisitor outright states that he's smarter than he lets on. I think the current characterisation is basically "brilliant but lazy," which fits with the way the character has matured over the years.
@@JagoHazzard I've said the same in another comment but it's perfectly acceptable to assume that Rimmer was sent to do what should be a routine job but triggered an industrial accident by encountering poorly maintained equipment. Plenty of real life accidents like Piper Alpha or The Camelford poisoning were "triggered" by a lower member of staff performing a routine task, but many many mistakes and poor management led to a situation in which safety protocols weren't effective. Rimmer would naturally assume he was solely responsible as he was the person who happened to kick start the process, but this probably was enhanced by Hollister and JMC higher ups happily blaming him as the scapegoat to hide their poor management and safety record. There are many many real world examples of this, and sending a lower member of crew to do a dangerous task is also routine. Rimmer only held himself responsible but in a court of law JMC would be held seriously liable for safety violations. But since they are all long dead Rimmer is the last to take on the guilt and blame.
I always assumed the reason the Red Dwarf crew are never mentioned after series 8 is either because Lister, Cat, Kryten and Kochanski hopped realities to escape the microbe, or the nano bots returned the ship to its pre-series 6 state, disintegrating the crew in the process.
Also I love the idea that Kryten’s defence of Rimmer was so effective that it actually enabled Rimmer to do some healing and let go of the blame for the accident. I always found Rimmer to be a tragic figure and one who wouldn’t deserve so much hate from the others in a more serious show.
Red Dwarf was different in Season 8 as Krytens Nano bots made it to its original spec
Yes, that is explicitly explained, but Starbug approaches the Red Dwarf and then Starbug approaches the new Red Dwarf. And it's supposed to be the same approach.
Lister is undoubtedly smarter than he comes across, he just bums around - at the same time, at his point in history being a robotics buff might be equivalent to someone being good at repairing their own car these days. Re the crew after series 8, they could have crashed or died elsewhere or not survived long due to nanobot flaws. And almost any change to timeline can be explained that we are switching one universe over 😅
5:55 Rimmer doesnt have to be "innocent" before the inquisitor. There is no morality involved. In fact you just need to have lead a meaningful existance, "worthwhile", as judged by your own standards; Rimmer would as only need to meet Rimmer's own version of "worthwile", which for A.J. is "important"- and how important is it to wipe out the crew of Red Dwarf and be responsible for the last surviving member of the human race?
I for one would argue that Rimmer being responsible for the deaths of the entire crew of the Crimson Short One (at least a thousand people by series 5) make his existence MORE worthwhile
The Peterson theory isn't a real thing remember Holly had gone senile at that point. He could've been mistaken by the person whose ashes Listers ate.
The Toddhunter saying ship was a complicated thing. If the whole floor 13 thing was a real thing in the first few seasons it would stand to reason he wouldn't count the prisoners, the guards and the warden
The Bexley thing still occurred it was spoken about in the season 4 opener. The text crawl said that Bexley died so Lister knew about that and was able about telling his younger self.
It could easily have been hidden from the start of series 1 as ships don't have a floor 13. Every ship I've worked on skips 13, going from 12-14, and if only lifts were used to move between decks then it would easily not be questioned
A senile Holly being mistaken about the ashes belonging to Petersen makes the most sense in regards to fixing that particular plot hole. Another possibility is that Holly lied about it being Petersen because he thought it was funny to make Lister think he'd just eaten part of his best friend's remains, Holly is shown in the same scene to have developed a somewhat dark sense of humour with the comment "she [Kochanski] won't be much use to you on Fiji now, not unless it snowed and you needed something to grit the path with".
@@JSmith19858 I'm aware it's just that people often call out the prison colony on floor 13 when it's introduced in season 8. The idea was a strange one but if you really think about it kinda makes sense what doesn't is why Kochanski didn't know and tell the others about it at some point. Holly says that of the officers knew about it that would include the Navigation officer right?
The entirety of Red Dwarf is a simulation, created by the ships computer, to keep Listers brain active in his cryogenic prison.
Thats almost as bad as the ending of monty pythons holy grail. Where a bunch of cops travel back in time to arrest our knights even though none of them were the one that killed the archeologist.
Giant waste of time
I've mentioned before that I believe there are several drive rooms on the ship. Remember, it took them hours to take the elevator down to find the stasis leak, and Cat complains about the in-flight meal.
It means the ship is HUGE.
If a ship is that big only has one captain, then it'd make sense for multiple areas of the ship to have a drive room. If there's an emergency that requires the captain on deck, there would be consequences and disasters that would happen if it takes the captain several hours to return to the drive room if he's at the other end of the ship.
This would explain why the drive rooms keep changing looks and the bunk rooms etc, because the boys of the dwarf are migrating through the ship once food supplies are depleted, so they venture to the next area, and set up shop there for a while.... plus, Listers lazy, so he can't be bothered replenishing supplies. He just figures the others are already stocked, so use them instead.
It's probably safe to assume the season 1 drive room is the very top of the ship. But it's possible a couple of them look similar? So the drive room Petersons' ashes are in wasn't the same as where Rimmers death occurred.
Now, onto the change of the ship.
The ship was reconstructed by the nano bots, and they rebuilt it to its original design specifications.... however, also recall that when they built things, they were even bigger and took time to return to normal size. Hence, the ship shrinking in Back In The Red, and Listers body builder body reverting back to normal..... well, those were those things, but what if Red Dwarf also was shrinking back to normal from the rebuild design to its original look? It's never explained how the nanobot tech works, so maybe over the next few years, it slowly shrinks back to its original form?
Also... why was Peterson in the control room?
Simple; With Lister in stasis, he took the chance to hit on Kochanski and tell her how great he was in bed!
Lister was also “Spanners” in Ace Rimmer’s dimension, another hint at his natural gifts as a mechanic.
This is like being down the local with a mate, having a good chat over Red Drawf.
Cheers, I really appreciate that!... Perhaps next time I need to add some beermats and horse brasses to the set?! 😀
the crew discrepancy is best described with the idea 169 is a pure skeleton crew with minimal operations (not including deck 13), with the other 1000 being during full operations.
The Dave is secretly brilliant theory makes a lot of sense to me. I knew someone that was a lot like Lister. An incredibly smart person who had zero interest in participating in normal society. Some people do not care about success and only want to eat good food and hang out with their friends. They only work to pay for their needs.
Most of what everyone considers success is just window dressing
Rimmer didn't make himself innocent, he made himself "the best he could be with the hand he was dealt" in his own mind. Having bad parents isn't exactly a way to get out a guilty verdict for second degree murder.
The inquisitor was not looking for guilt, he was looking for "making the most of your life", plenty of evil people would've passed his test if they said they were leading a nation to greatness.
That's the issue I have with the Inquisitor. He's purging history of all who doubt themselves and everyone suffering from depression, and replaces them with arrogant egomaniacs and psychopaths.
I would question how he ever thought that that would improve humanity, but he was the first person to ever pass his own test, which explains it.
Lister being a robotics genius makes a lot of sense. Several points in the series (including the inquisitor) he is said to have been a lot smarter than he acts and that he could have made something of his life if he wanted.
I’d like to think series 8 never happened 😂
It's only there to make you appreciate the other seasons more
As we never got to see much of Red Dwarf, before the accident, it was interesting to have a series with the crew. Rob Grant's prequel will also give us some backstory, before Lister and Rimmer board the ship.
Lister is a vending *MACHINE* repair man. Just because all we saw of him was passing Rimmer a nozzle cleaner doesn't mean he's not actually a proper repair man with skills to repair machinery.
Lister is indeed an extremely intelligent and gifted individual. He had the potential to be a lot more than the art college drop-out/supermarket trolley attendant/lowest ranked crew member aboard the ship/space bum he turned out to be. Perhaps 'Spanners' from Dimension Jump is an approximation of what Lister could've been if he had any sort of drive or work-ethic.
Good video.
1. Nope. Rimmer admits it, and the justice computer detects his sense of guilt. Peterson may have been delivering a cup of tea.
4. The xrays were just simply background filler to establish were were looking into the medical room.
5. The justice computer detects Rimmer's SENSE of guilt, based on the delusion that he is the most important person on the ship. The inquisitor detects the lies Rimmer tells himself to maintain the delusion that he is not an awful human being.
6. If he can turn to soft light, why didn't he walk out of prison on Rimmer world.
7. Given that the Dwarf meets an alternate dimension version of itself, there are no rules save for whatever serves the moment.
8. Great point, but I disagree with you about Rimmer. As Rimmer says, "With the life he's had, who else could he be?"
10: Lister has always made it clear that his laziness was his problem, not his intelligence, so it's completely possible that he's smarter than his station suggests. BUUUT, by the things he values, perhaps he's as successful as he wants to be? Not withstanding the Fiji and Kochanski dreams. He cares about the things that will make him feel good, not the superficial trapping such as pieces of paper.
When Rimmer's status over him starts to impact that, he then takes and passes the minimum effort exam that will eliminate that problem.
6. I haven't seen the episode for a while but I _think_ Rimmer says that he has escaped and they kept recapturing him, or that he would be captured again so didn't bother trying to escape and just hunkered down waiting to be rescued. Plus he's more vulnerable in soft light, like in Demons and Angels when Lister crushes the Angel Rimmer's light bee, so it would be risky to go soft, however briefly, on a planet of Rimmers that wanted to execute him.
Dave fails the chef's exam, he just pretended to pass it to annoy Rimmer.
1:10 - on Theory 1: Maybe Olaf Peterson survived the initial blast wave but later succumbed to radiation poisoning. As one of or the only survivors, he would have headed to the drive room.
Red Dwarf's design changed because *when* Kryten's Nanites restored the ship, they restored it according to it how Red Dwarf was originally designed by its designers *BEFORE* the JMC ordered cutbacks on it's design to save money. Captain Hollister and Dr. Karen Newton were talking about it in "Back in the Red, Part 1":
Dr. Karen Newton: What's this rumour that we're three million light years into deep space, and Red Dwarf's changed shape?
Capt. Frank Hollister: *That* is *classified* information, Karen! Who the hell told you that?
Dr. Karen Newton: The coffee machine on G-deck.
Capt. Frank Hollister: That damn coffee machine. I'm gonna bust his ass down to tampon dispenser!
Dr. Karen Newton: Is it true?
Capt. Frank Hollister: Until we get Holly back up, we can't verify it. Starbug took out one of his CPU banks in the crash and we're having trouble rebooting.
Dr. Karen Newton: The coffee machine said the ship's now identical to its original design plans, before the JMC made all its cutbacks?
Capt. Frank Hollister: We now have a quark-level matter/anti-matter generator, ship-wide bio-organic computer networking, and a karaoke bar on C-deck.
Remember?
:)
He mentions that it changes within one scene across episodes. But I don't think it's supposed to signify anything.
It's well established that Lister is much smarter than anyone lets on, so it's not unbelievable that he'd be a secret robotics genius.
Id like to have seen mcorp be a continuous part of future echoes. How listers arm is robotic could be explained by the epideme episode. On school run so cant go in depth.
Everything after the end of series 8 takes place in a different universe, they left Rimmer a note telling him that they fled to a different reality, the hologram version seen in those series is native to that reality
Sounds a good theory but then begs the question where is the other Lister, Kryten, Cat and Kochanski that actually belongs in the reality they fled to. They just so happened to randomly land in a reality where the ship was empty?
Is Lister the last human when you have a full world full of Rimmers.
I was just thinking that when Donna DiStefano plays Kochanski in Stasis Leak it was another parallel universe version of her and thus the justification for the Chloe Annett one looking nothing like her either.
I always had a different theory to those mentioned. That the events of Timeslides actually altered the events of Stasis Leak. Because Rimmer saw himself as a hologram at age 8, he believed his future self rather than regarding him as just a mushroom induced hallucinaton. So after misrepairing the drive plate, he headed into stasis rather than report to Hollister and die in the control room.
Is that a theory? I thought that's just what happens in the episode.
EDIT: I'm probably missing something. I need to rewatch Stasis Leak
I'm surprised there was never an episode or Red Dwarf where they somehow went back in time to before the radiation leak happened and future Rimmer accidentally caused it to happen.
OMG that's hilarious 😂
when you played todd hunters words back slower i did hear him say shift, i could have been cos of power of suggestion but that is freaky
Ha, I'm getting into your head! :-)
Lister says he ranks number 169 and then says he's bottom of the pile.
No quite, he admits that he outranks the laboratory mice and if he gives an order they have to obey "Yes Mister Lister Sir, Eek, Eek, Eeek!"
The future where Bexley dies in the drive room did happen. It happened off screen in the Star Wars style words that're on the beginning of the first episode of the next season.
The Inquisitor is kind of a fascist. He doesn't really care if the person is guilty or innocent, only that they are confident and thus grabbed life by both hands.
He's judging everyone by the standards that he arrogantly sets for them which is doomed to failure as it assumes that everyone is exactly the same with the same drives, input and personality so of course everyone will lead very different lives with unique motivations
Lister isn't a robotics genius, he's a bodger. And at least one other has pointed out he lives in a time when robotics are extremely common place, it probably still requires more no how than say changing a plug but maybe not by as much as you might think. I mean he might have a talent for it though, he's not actually stupid, but when we first meet him he's in his early 20's he hasn't had a chance to work out his life or what he really wants to do and then he never will have that chance because it's been 3 million years and what he knew as life is over, that doesn't mean he can't develop a bit though, but his bad habits will likely have developed too
Theory 7 - that was the future as it stood at the time. There's been a few resets of the timelines since. Same reason why Lister never goes back to marry Kochanski, and why Kochanski changes her past and look. Claire Grogan was the replacement that the Inquisitor created and was wiped when Inquisitor was erased from history
5. Rimmer was judged guilty because he thinks he murdered the crew.. But the Inqusitor see's him inocent because hes selfish and self centered as is Cat while Liester and Kryton put others first so were guilty as the Inqus had malfuctioned
The nano bots that escaped from kryton remade the ship to its original build plans before budget cuts reduced it to the hulk of crap that we first see in episode 1!!!
More important, why would you xray when someone is pregnant, lol
Because men cant have babies so it seemed impossible to them
Everything between ‘Back to Reality’ and ‘’Back to Earth’ are Squid delusions designed to protect the “little fishy” Cat smuggled on board. With the crew occasionally waking up between seasons and slowly becoming immune by ‘Back to Earth’.
man, I can never stop and think too hard about Rimmer and his non-human-ness for too long, I get upset lmao. I love my silly space comedy show but ahh, the mostly unmentioned existential horror of being a thing that was once human and now is not; it's so good. brb off to think about the sun/moonlight speech for a while and cry.
The movie was the prefect opportunity to see the return of ace rimmer. instead of that diamond version of rimmer or whatever his name was. god i really need to know what happens to ace rimmer. how did rimmer do as Ace lol
He died. They all do. Just after they find their replacements.
@@maniac1075 Not that rimmer. He was still out there attempting to save people 😂 Or cowering. God it would be so funny to find out how he did as rimmer
Theory 2 - the ship was built on the original design before the JMC cutbacks, that's why it's so much longer. Maybe the nanobots were still working on building it as S7 ends and S8 starts
An interesting coincidence i noticed. We first meet Rimmer and Lister in corridor 159. If you add together Rimmer and Lister alphanumerically(a=1 b=2 c=3) you get 159. Probably doesnt mean anything just a neat coinkydink :)
Wow. I'm intrigued by the theory of series 8 being an artificial reality dream. Now that artificial intelligence is taking off, immersion inside of one seems a credible possibility, even if many years in the future.
169 does seem insanely low for such a massive ship.
Agree. The city was the size of a city and 169 does seem low for the number of different jobs and skill sets that would be required and there would have to be a working crew 24 hours a day 7 days a week with lets say an 8 hour work day
It also seems pretty unlikely that if the ship did only have 169 crew, that they would need 26 (A-Z) different maintenance shifts....even if you accept that Rimmer and Lister are the entirety of Z shift, then that's still 52 maintenance staff out of a total of 169 crew!? That's a very high percentage of the crew focussed on unclogging the chicken soup nozzles and replacing fun sized crunchy bars!!
"There's a conspiracy..."
I'm done here.
Why? By definition a conspiracy isn't just made up. Some are but it just means people conspire together to do something....I'm conspiring to travel cross country on a bike...it doesnt make it a lie or false.
Just that its a secret or private plan to do something unlawful or harmful. Traveling cross country can be both. Since interstate travel is restricted to non pedestrian vehicles. And I could get hurt, so by definition. A conspiracy
@@jamesmeppler6375 Think flat Earth or Anti-Vax.
After the season 3 episode "Time slides" anything said or shown before that becomes irrelevant due to the timeline changing as Rimmer is still alive 3 million years in the future and then dies at the end of the episode.
This is never retconned.
If its an alternate reality then it doesn't matter and doesn't play a part in the main story as the show shows
@@jamesmeppler6375 the show continues from that point, it is the reality we're following.
We're still following the same crew, we are never shown a reset, an alternate version or anything else.
Rimmer is alive at the end of the episode and then dies.
At no point is it shown that it is an alternate reality. It is shown as a change to the current continuity.
We are however shown alternate realities, like the reverse gender one ,the one where Kochaski comes from or all the alternative Rimmers.
It is still the main continuity.
My theory: The despair squid revealed the truth about Rimmer. He actually is a mind wiped secret agent. The problem is, they lost Red Dwarf before Rimmer could check for the microdot. When the crew finally found Red Dwarf, there was a new Rimmer that never encountered the despair squid, so isn't aware of the microdot.
But the hologram has every memory of the original so your theory is instantly proven wrong....
@@jamesmeppler6375nope. Mind wiping, or the ability to completely remove information from a person's brain is shown to exist in the Red Dwarf universe.
The information isn't suppressed, it is completely removed.
How can Rimmer remember something that was literally removed from his consciousness?
This is evidenced in the episode "Thanks for the memories" where Rimmer, Lister, Cat and Holly erase 4 days from their memories at Rimmer's request after Rimmer has false memories implanted by Lister.
In addition the episode "Body Swap" shows consciousness can be completely removed, swapped, altered and deleted.
Am I the only one who counted the sounds from the reality bubbles at the end of season 6? How come it's an odd number?
Series. Not season.
@@QuagmiresDooflaba series is a set of tv episodes that are broadcast with the same title. A season is is each year of the series. By definition, its basically the same thing. A season is the same thing, a set tv episodes that are broadcast with the same name...only differentiated by the year it was produced.
Justice league has 2 series. Justice league has 2 seasons and series 2 is called Justice league unlimited and has 3 seasons, but also 3 series since the story is different each time. Which means red dwarf is seasons and arcs but not series since its the same series....you seem to be misusing the word. I think you're meaning series arc...and arc is part of a series that tell a story over a number of episodes. So basically they are all the same thing with minor difference but wouldn't prevent overlapping in a ven diagram.
@@jamesmeppler6375 season is American. Series is UK. As Red Dwarf is a UK show, series is the correct term. Look at the videos and DVDs etc. They don't say season, they say series.
Hang on!! In series 8 the ship was rebuild and the captain says it has more decks that weren’t there before?
Agreed. IIRC he stated that the ship was built to it's ORIGINAL design specs which were for the ship we see in S8 and not the previous ship which was made smaller due to budget cuts.
@@BrianGriffinQuahog that’s what I thought! It was rebuilt back to its original plans but not how it was actually built!!!!
Rimmer's Diamond-Light Mode not only allows him to shift back-&-forth between Soft-Light Mode and Hard-Light Mode, it also allows him take objects with him, *AND* move fast(er) than Light...
A little add-on for Theory 5! Rimmer and Lister’s Series X debate on who was truly at fault, the man or the system? Rimmer was so convinced that he was arguing in his own defence, only for Lister to turn around and blame him for the drive plate incident. I like to imagine Lister was arguing against Rimmer that time just to get on his pecks given the context
Lister got his appendix back in the episode D.N.A.
I always thought circuits went ‘bandy’, not ‘bandit’. Mind blown. Or do i mean mind bandy?
Here's one.
Holly lost count of the years during Listers stay in suspended animation.
Since Holly has computer-sernility and forgot an awful lot of stuff could it be possible Holly lost count at some point during those 3 million years. Like he, started to count again from 1 after 1,654,455 and maybe forgot that he started again. Then lost count again, started again, and forgot that she started again, again.
This means Lister was in stasis for more than 3 million years. Perhaps it was billions, trillions. The only reason anyone ever says 3 million is because Holly said so. Kryten had already gone a little odd by the time they found him so he probably lost count too and relies on Holly.
And what if it's actually closer to the end of the universe? This could explain all the discrepancies between series, such as all the continuity errors such as Listers ever evolving guitars shape, why the date of the accident keeps changing and so on. Anything that doesn't add up is because as the universe dies, the time line alters itself.
This would also fit within the series as it would be ironically funny if the crew spent all this time looking for Earth, only to reach it as the universe is about to die.
No...even if you don't know where you are you can find yourself on a map based on how fast you were going and for how long...how much fuel has been used ect ect....its proven that part was correct....if we are going 200k mph extrapolating 3m years...24 hours in a day...4,800,000 miles in one day 480m in 109 days ect ect...
And if they are going in circles as it shows they are...there would be more stuff..but since there isn't it means its gone and 3m years is plenty of time for our civilization to destroy itself. But you figure there would be more...
Queeg says Holly was going in circles, in the episode "Queeg"
Queeg is Holly and in an elaborate joke he said that to plant doubt in own capabilities because he feels unappreciated.
Therefore that information is not to be trusted, he also states Holly's I.Q is 6 ffs.
Who do you think has a map of space 3 million years travel time from Earth? No one because it is uncharted space.
Holly is senile, Kryten went mad and thought his crew were alive when they were literally skeletons. Neither is a reliable source of information.
Even when it is stated in series 8, it is the chronolger that indicates they are 3 million years travel time into deep space. Why would a chronolger even go to 3 million years when humam life span is at best around 80-100 years?
That isn't the orignal Red Dwarf but one that is built to the technical specifications that the Dwarf should have been built to before "budget cuts". The nanobots just cobbled together whatever they could from what they knew and those nanobits had also decayed to the point of rebellion against their master.
They even turned Red Dwarf into a plantoid amd got lost in Listers laundry basket.
Yet again an unreliable source of information.
It also does not take a lot of fuel to move in the vacuum of space. In fact it takea very little energy to move any mass in space necause there is no gravitt or resistant force. Once an object starts moving it will not stop unless an oppsite force is applied.
@@jamesmeppler6375
Also as far as the crew evacuating the ship at the end of series 8, did that include all the prisoners? Or were they left behind and locked up and forgotten about?
love your channel. im going on a red dwarf rewatching marathon and ive not seen the show since a was a kid. cant wait to relive it
Or maybe, just maybe, it wasn't really thought out as a coherent universe but was just a comedy series?
😢
exactly. i hate a incoherent narrative with no continuity
You mean like Doctor Who?
@@davidwuhrer6704 omg doctor who is a dead series now. it’s atrocious
@@paulwoodford1984 there there
I'd love to hear more about Series 8 possibly being a dream/VR.
Maybe you could have sold the RD crew some life insurance?
Or sign waivers
Re the Inquisitor - it's always bothered me that he does the opposite of his mission with the dwarfers. Krysten and Lister both prove they've done something with their lives, mostly because of each other, and yet they're erased.
I love the episode, but there's no internal logic even within the episode itself......Kryten when facing the inquisitor, states that the only way a droid could justify it's existence was if it broke it's programming and lived by a set of rules it comes to on it's own.....but later in the same episode, Lister claims it's his fault Kryten has been erased, because he taught him to break his programming!?
@@lukewoodley3098 EXACTLY!
We need more episodes!! 😆
Have you done the one where the Lister from Stasis Leak is the Lister that becomes the Brain in the Jar in Out of Time? And that whole timeline got cancelled when Rimmer blew up the Time Drive. Both the Rimmers are sporting moustaches. And Lister mentions how his future self seems more arrogant, which could retroactively be foreshadowing the group's lapse in morality.
Lister probably had a bit of knowledge of electronics, just like many people like tinkering with cars or computers even though they aren't trained in that field. Lister was just lazy and all he wants to do is drink beer, eat curry and slob the day away
From virtually to literally invincible. Capable of changing solid to light at will. Pin point accuracy with a laser-pointer from miles away.
Yeah, you'll have to tell me what it take to count as a legit upgrade?
Yes mate I need red dwarf lore in my life
The way people talk about it is like its good. It is better than Stargate universe but I believe the kids show space cases was better.
I finally sit down to watch and by the 3rd series/season I've already had enough. Its funny but most the scenes are the same. Lister and rimmer talking in bunks or telling each other to smeg off. The people in the UK talk about smegma a lot for some reason...jokes about not showering and cleaning?
I think that everything from the end of series 8 has occurred in the positive universe.
It started with the joy squid in Back to Earth.
This can be confirmed in the episode Twentica, as the last encounter between the crew and the rogue simulants was in the negative universe, and that's why they found Rimmer on his own, because that's where they would have naturally gone looking for the rest of the crew.
The end of Only the Good l think that as all the crew are remade by Kryten nanobots. they melted and that may explain way Rimmer is back as a hologram in back to earth ?
That middle X-ray of the abdomen/pelvis is upside down. It does my head in whenever I see that.
If you allow for the creators implementation of their ideas to evolve over the series then the change of the ships appearance doesn't matter in a way that would effect canon
Lister mentioned the 169 crew count in another episode
Amazing video but i have one question, how DID George die? And if so what happened to him in the radiation leak? I dont know if there is any evidence to show what happened but consider it, awesome vid again
Ha ha... you'll like next weeks vid that I've already shot!
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George's death is explained in the books which I won't spoil incase you haven't read them yet.
Unless the radiation damaged his light-bee, as a hologram George presumably would've been perfectly fine physically. However the more 'heartless machine-like' Holly that existed pre-computer senility probably would've switched him off since he no longer served any practical function and would've been a drain on resources.
@@Anu_SolThe highest ranking dead person gets to be the hologram, so after the drive plate incident, that would be the captain.
Who clearly did not stick around for three million years of being alone.
@@Anu_Solthanks for not spoiling it m8 and something I’m thinking about is that the light bee didnt appear until series three or four with the high and low ships so my theory is that the bee got damaged in the leak and was under repairs wile holly used other methods to keep him running until it was fixed by either holly or kryten which is why he was in the holo cage in series 2
It's all explained in series 9. Best series ever.
So glad you back mate :)
you’re back
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#10 … loved it! The best one you had…
They were referring to Lister as the last human all along without actually knowing he is…. They hadn’t gotten back to earth to find out.
It's a pretty safe bet that humanity as we know it did not remain unchanged for three million years. It didn't even remain unchanged for the last half million. Most types of hominids are extinct already, and there isn't even a consensus on what is and what isn't a hominid.
For all we know the ants have taken over.
In one of the books, Earth has been turned into a dump and then expelled from the solar system.
They all fled on blue ships and starbugs in an emergency and didn't have time to fill the ships with food, fuel or other supplies meaning in all likelihood they would not have survived very long and Kryten calculated it to be unlikely.
Liking the setup, Dan 🤙🏽
On board this shift? If they meant shift then they wouldn't say on board. X rays of the babies? They took them automatically to make sure they are healthy.
I feel like theories go so far off the rails that it ignores the obvious, what we see and are told. Feaver dreams are over done.
The ship is the size of a city. The size of one floor is larger than London. So the ship is bigger than the UK. So 11,000+ people would make more sense. Unless it was a skeleton crew set up to kill everyone for insurance payout
Im wondering where the butler went. One episode they find him, the next hes gone. Im wondering why the max speed is stated to be 200,000 mph which is much slower than light speed....
I think in the first season/series/arc shows us the Red Dwarf is going in circles. If its going on a straight line, how can they run into their own garbage pod if they havent been there yet. We see a diagram in the same episode with paper showing giant circles. Which suggests further they are going in circles. Then the mail they receive. How can mail sent before they left be ahead of them if they arent going in circles.
Bad video
5:09 x-ray image of a baby and umbilical, in between Jim and Lister. In the next shot, above Bexley's head, we see the 2 babies seperate by a long white mass. Lung scans, don't look like that
The Peterson hypothesis is 100% based on polystyrene cups in/not the shot. (reference to GoT)
The X-Rays can't all be of Lister, one of them is of a spine (Behind Lister under the "M in room) and that spine has so severe scoliosis there is no way that is Lister.
I think the reason Rimmer judges himself guilty at first, is his sense of guilt.
But when asked if his life overall has been worth while, his arrogance tells him that the guilt over one killed crew, isn't enough to make up for Admiral A.J. Rimmers incredible exploits!