I won on impossible huge map with 300% all negative pics. Seems impressive but I started advanced and restarted until silicoid were nearby so I could just start attacking them turn 1. Still was a bit tough.
I miss this game so much... apparently it's too much to ask for a proper 2024 remake of this (the WarGaming one from a few years ago was far from matching Moo2).
_Stars in Shadow_ is like a modernised vaguely anime lite version. It has the same kind of basic gameplay and vibes, but lacks that unquantifiable "something" that makes MoO2 feel so good. All the races having different enviroinment prefs makes for some very satisfying popluation management tho.
Why is everybody hyped about remakes? People praise games that are pixelated on purpose, because they look so retro, but when they see an acutal old game, they shout for a remake because it looks so old. MOO2 looks absolutely fine! In runs like a charm on a potato and has perfectly readable grafics, a well designed UI and awesome sound apart from all the other perfect design choices. It can not be remade. Someone has to invest his creativity in another good 4x games (of which there are none, all new ones are trash) MOO2 or Master of Magic can not be remade. The best civ game was Civ 1. The evolution of 4x probably stopped at Alpha Centauri, after that it was just cosmetics ... and bad ones. I give Civ 5 the nice change of 1 unit per tile and hexagons. So Civ 5 is the only innovative 4x for me after Alpha Centauri.
@@ratatoskr1069 because it's a pain to get going properly, even worse in multiplayer. Ans if you're going to redo these bits to optimise it for modern screen resolution and sizes, and fix MP, might as well enhance the rest as well. D2R was done very well, and it wasn't needed either (They only messed up the TPC/IP multiplayer, lol) Not to mention, it's SO HARD to find games like these anymore that arent bloated with stupid modern stuff in them... But that is another video all in of itself.
@@Francois424 You are right on those details like multiplayer. I remember back in the days. Moo2 multiplayer was so incredibly fun but the loading times between turns were so long it pretty much ruined it. We played via network or even serial cable.
For the cybernetic option, research hydrofarm first (even before electronic computer), and use the cash from selling your starbase to buy one. Yes, it's still 40+ turns, but you free up 4 farmers that way.
just tested this, got the farm at t39, at which point i have 10pop, so the farm only frees up 1 farmer. Result: 2 farmers, 5 workers that produce 0 nett industry (oh, the horror) and 3 guys on tech for 6rp to advance to electronic computer. :)
----- - It sucks that you can't fully customize a race by only choosing all the (most) negative traits/aspect per category of a potential race. I've always wanted to try that, but the game seems to block the player from doing exactly that. Maybe that would have made the game code too complex, or maybe it would have created more problems than it's worth if it even works at all... It certainly would have been interesting to try, though. -----
----- @automatescellulaires8543 ----- - Regardless if that is true or not, it still doesn't let the player do what I initially described. My first thought was that it's a way for the game to avoid contradictions or paradoxes, if you will. Looking at the choices one can make that doesn't seem to be the case for any of the negative traits. But when the player picks something on the 'Race-Chart', some of the alternative choices become unavailable. Which logically means that you can not combine these with the choices that you've already made. And that's the problem... I'm pretty sure that it works the same the other way around just to make sure that the race doesn't become too OP. Not to mention the fact that you will run out of points to spend during the selection process, considering that you only have '10 points' at the start of the 'Race-Build'. -----
@@BizzyX78 You can edit the configuration file and it does not go through the end of changing parameters check i.e. you can play with it. I used it to modify the other races not just my own. I tried it with all races repulsive. I wanted a game more conducive to war and battles to learn how that fared throughout the game without the op penalty of losing research and trade partners in the process.
----- @mrwonderfulone ----- - The fact that one can mod a game to one's liking is totally beside the point. I'm talking strictly standard out of the box in-game choices here. But like I've already pointed out twice, there are limits put in place to hinder the player from doing that which I've already described. By only picking the negative traits points wise for a custom race, you will end up having 56 points to spend at the end of the creation process. Conversely, by only picking the highest positive traits points wise for a custom race, you will end up having -97 points to spend at the end of the creation process, but that is currently not possible in-game. And therein lies the rub... -----
I could win with that race on the highest difficulty & max computer players... IF I could remember the cheat code to give me Megatron leader with the android techs & cheat enough $ to hire him.
on the bright side: the first scout will have self-repair when it goes up against the enemy doom star fleets...
:)
Yeah, but if they ever get a ship in the sky, free Automated Repair Unit B) Totally balances out!
I won on impossible huge map with 300% all negative pics. Seems impressive but I started advanced and restarted until silicoid were nearby so I could just start attacking them turn 1. Still was a bit tough.
That’s impressive. You had to farm silicoid to win. Can’t get much harder than that and actually get a win.
I miss this game so much... apparently it's too much to ask for a proper 2024 remake of this (the WarGaming one from a few years ago was far from matching Moo2).
moo2 is still my goto game, since i haven't found a worthy successor (and I seriously doubt it will ever happen).
_Stars in Shadow_ is like a modernised vaguely anime lite version.
It has the same kind of basic gameplay and vibes, but lacks that unquantifiable "something" that makes MoO2 feel so good.
All the races having different enviroinment prefs makes for some very satisfying popluation management tho.
Why is everybody hyped about remakes? People praise games that are pixelated on purpose, because they look so retro, but when they see an acutal old game, they shout for a remake because it looks so old.
MOO2 looks absolutely fine! In runs like a charm on a potato and has perfectly readable grafics, a well designed UI and awesome sound apart from all the other perfect design choices. It can not be remade. Someone has to invest his creativity in another good 4x games (of which there are none, all new ones are trash) MOO2 or Master of Magic can not be remade. The best civ game was Civ 1. The evolution of 4x probably stopped at Alpha Centauri, after that it was just cosmetics ... and bad ones. I give Civ 5 the nice change of 1 unit per tile and hexagons. So Civ 5 is the only innovative 4x for me after Alpha Centauri.
@@ratatoskr1069 because it's a pain to get going properly, even worse in multiplayer.
Ans if you're going to redo these bits to optimise it for modern screen resolution and sizes, and fix MP, might as well enhance the rest as well.
D2R was done very well, and it wasn't needed either (They only messed up the TPC/IP multiplayer, lol)
Not to mention, it's SO HARD to find games like these anymore that arent bloated with stupid modern stuff in them... But that is another video all in of itself.
@@Francois424 You are right on those details like multiplayer. I remember back in the days. Moo2 multiplayer was so incredibly fun but the loading times between turns were so long it pretty much ruined it. We played via network or even serial cable.
The unpopular, but seemingly interesting idea: play with the _bad_ bonus perks
Spying, stealthy ships, lucky, charismatic, fantastic traders
instead of research malus, you could try -0.5 bc or Feudal.
Would really love to see how you play out this race to the win)
well, it would be a long grind, so much is sure.
For the cybernetic option, research hydrofarm first (even before electronic computer), and use the cash from selling your starbase to buy one.
Yes, it's still 40+ turns, but you free up 4 farmers that way.
good point!
just tested this, got the farm at t39, at which point i have 10pop, so the farm only frees up 1 farmer. Result: 2 farmers, 5 workers that produce 0 nett industry (oh, the horror) and 3 guys on tech for 6rp to advance to electronic computer. :)
Paging GetDaved...
:)
Love this :D
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- It sucks that you can't fully customize a race by only choosing all the (most) negative traits/aspect per category of a potential race.
I've always wanted to try that, but the game seems to block the player from doing exactly that.
Maybe that would have made the game code too complex, or maybe it would have created more problems than it's worth if it even works at all...
It certainly would have been interesting to try, though.
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this game race building is all about choices.
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@automatescellulaires8543
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- Regardless if that is true or not, it still doesn't let the player do what I initially described.
My first thought was that it's a way for the game to avoid contradictions or paradoxes, if you will.
Looking at the choices one can make that doesn't seem to be the case for any of the negative traits.
But when the player picks something on the 'Race-Chart', some of the alternative choices become unavailable.
Which logically means that you can not combine these with the choices that you've already made.
And that's the problem...
I'm pretty sure that it works the same the other way around just to make sure that the race doesn't become too OP.
Not to mention the fact that you will run out of points to spend during the selection process, considering that you only have '10 points' at the start of the 'Race-Build'.
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@@BizzyX78 You can edit the configuration file and it does not go through the end of changing parameters check i.e. you can play with it. I used it to modify the other races not just my own. I tried it with all races repulsive. I wanted a game more conducive to war and battles to learn how that fared throughout the game without the op penalty of losing research and trade partners in the process.
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@mrwonderfulone
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- The fact that one can mod a game to one's liking is totally beside the point.
I'm talking strictly standard out of the box in-game choices here.
But like I've already pointed out twice, there are limits put in place to hinder the player from doing that which I've already described.
By only picking the negative traits points wise for a custom race, you will end up having 56 points to spend at the end of the creation process.
Conversely, by only picking the highest positive traits points wise for a custom race, you will end up having -97 points to spend at the end of the creation process, but that is currently not possible in-game.
And therein lies the rub...
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The worst race design - brilliant! No other space civilization will see it coming! 😂
Cybernetic...damn. 😉
I could win with that race on the highest difficulty & max computer players... IF I could remember the cheat code to give me Megatron leader with the android techs & cheat enough $ to hire him.
couldn't anybody win when cheating?
@@moo2mod the computer :)
mmmmoooooooooo
😂😂