Bumblebee - Too Little, Too Late (
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Chapters:
0:00:00 - Intro
00:02:52 - Volumes 1-3
00:08:26 - “Slow Burn My Dread”
00:10:08 - Volumes 4-5 (Side 1)
00:13:32 - “Is Pacing an instrument?”
00:14:36 - Volumes 4-5 (Side 2)
00:18:59 - Return to Monke (Sun)
00:22:26 - Emphasis-ness
00:26:30 - Volume 6
00:31:46 - Volumes 7-8
00:39:52 - “Time waits for No-RWBY”
00:44:58 - Volume 9 (Side 1)
00:48:11 - CodeBlazeFate Cameo
00:50:07 - Volume 9 (Side 2)
00:52:54 - Conclusion
00:58:17 - Outro
Music featured:
Robert Glasper - Smells like teen spirit (1 take)
So Scandalous OST Soul Eater (instrumental)
Nujabes - The Final View (Spartacus love theme)
Hedgehogs Dilemma - Evangelion OST
Ore no Turn (Oregairu OST)
Trophy Theme - The Consouls (Smash Bros)
Fuck Bees Inc
Junoichi Theme - Yugioh Japanese OST
Shana Theme Cover (Legend of Dragoon)
Words that we couldn’t say instrumental
With bonds like these - Fire Emblem Awakening OST
Libra Me from Hell - Piano Cover
Killshot instrumental
Eccentric Family OST - Aho no Chi
Super Mario RPG - Forest theme
This will be the day (Acoustic Version) - RWBY OST
Robert Glasper - Let It Ride
Megaman Battle Network - Net Battle (jazz cover)
Virtual Insanity Instrumental
Cowboy Bebop OST - Piano Bar
Feel Good Inc - Earthbound/Chiptune cover
Spartacus Love Theme - Uwe Karcher Cover 
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If you're a Bumbleby fan who's somehow made it here and are put off by the title, just watch the section at 45:00 first, and then watch the rest afterwards. These are not the words of a person just hating on the ship or just stirring controversy for no reason; this fan clearly cares a great deal about the ship and the people who love it, who sees the amount of value in it but believes so MUCH could have been done to truly make it shine in truly great way, but was failed in numerous ways due to so many factors and choices that could have been avoided or made with more care.
♥♥♥
But seriously man, I appreciate this 100%. Coming from you, this means a lot.
Feel free to share this vid around
Um as a BB'er that has 10 years watching the show and that's watched the whole vid; you're completely wrong. The time-stamped section doesn't do jack shit for his case, especially since Kaiser proceeds to launch into yet more bullshit bashing even that scene. Because he's incapable of grasping MAGICAL WORLD and the spectacle the crew were giving the actual LGBT+ fans in it. Not to mention once again shitting on Blake like the sexist asshole he is and shitting on their words to each other, cause he's a piece of shit. Though even going beyond that there's his shitting on BB that have the actual elements of long-term relationships (as well as ones that run through all the other canon romances as if its a damn intentional thing) and flat-out ignoring parts of it; while raising up a shallow at best teen-crush one-sided rom-com pair that has nothing to it but being hetero (running in contrast to both of the canon romances prior).
And honestly your ass is in the camp of the worst ones to be speaking on it. You're straight;; you've basically tried to steal another's work but skate by on it by forcing your bullshit into it to make it your own (cause I guess you're too damn lazy to create your own shit); haven't confirmed if you'll even do BB or any LGBT+ in your rewrite garbage; fanservice the hell out of female characters ("Yang has no organs but look at her tits; oh and she's just a party girl; isn't that great characterization for a female character and not at all sexist af?"); and is generally in the usual sexist incel shitlord crowd that wants BB to not be a well-built relationship on actual core elements of relationships but wlw fanservice for your pathetic disgusting asses to get off to. This just boils down to you trying to give armor to a homophobic piece of shit incel like yourself; as both of your dumbasses latch onto the hetero alternative. Said alternative that has literally nothing of substance to it, cause one-sided feelings from a male character + being hetero does NOT make a relationship.
The reality is that because v9 canonized BB in an absolutely gorgeous manner after a 9 volume slowburn involving growing from strangers to close friends to more; having Blake actually feel like a bi character; and having BB as an element within the show not the central hub of the entire thing as well as being treated the exact same as its sibling pairs of Arkos and Renora thus normalizing it all your bitch asses have left is to bitch about how it isn't good enough. You can't call it bait anymore, you can't sow doubts about it, you can't hope that suddenly Sun will come back and get with Blake cause hetero, or deny reality; so instead you try to tear it down. Which is in particular disgusting because of your asses being fucking straight fucking men. Go fuck yourselves.
Surprised you're not busy removing more of Yang's organs to sexualize her? Or making her into a "party girl" in contrast the OG's actually giving her maturity, cause ones like you prefer the busty blonde perceived airhead over the complex intelligent badass that took care of her little sister. Or maybe trying to shove in accents to a world that doesn't have our world's countries.
That's not even going into your attitude of acting like you are in any way in the territory of a Monty. The writers of RWBY have 9 volumes and a very damn good LGBT+ relationship; your ass has 2 failed projects and an obnoxious up-your-ass bloated ego.
CrimsonXE, your argument falls apart on the premise of Switchbacks comment being wrong because Miles is also straight. Meaning the issue you have with Crimson about speaking on how LGBTQ relationships work also applies to Miles Luna as well, and he, according to you, was behind the set up of Blake and Yang's ship and romance because he was at the helm of the writing for the series during Volumes 4, 5, and 6.
You're also saying he's wrong because he's straight? Which seems to be your main overall point. That he can't talk about it because he isn't LGBTQ? When did you become an authority on who can or cannot speak?
"If this is someone's idea of a slow burn, I wouldn't let them do barbecue." Man that slays me.
Always had an issue with how flip-floppy the show was with Bumbleby, glad to see all my thoughts vocalized with way better comedy than I could ever come up with.
XD thanks a lot man. Happy you liked it
That line had no business going that hard lol. I’m definitely keeping it. It will live on!.
The part that gets me the most about the season. It that it highlights how much Ruby and Yang aren’t really sisters anymore. Like Yang barely gave a shit about Ruby clearly falling apart
They also don’t get a touching reunion (despite it being previously shown they’re more then willing to be openly affectionate with each other as shown in Volume 8 where Yang hugs Ruby so hard she’s able to hold her in her arms and spin her around), Ruby gets some flowery word vomit while the cat girl gets to tackle her to the ground.
They also randomly have Yang call Ruby “Rubes” as a nickname even though that has never been a thing outside of fanfiction.
Volume 9 Beyond tries to patch this over
I don't think it succeeds when Ruby actually successfully kermited sudoku in front of a motionless staring Yang
Bumbleby represents *everything* that's wrong with the Parasocial 'relationship' Rooster Teeth has with it's fanbase.
@AmbroseSimpson
Hell I forgot that was the problem. The fact that Bumbleby exist due to a toxic parasocial relationship.
Had*
If Bumblebee was going to be end game from the begining (which lets be honest it wasnt) they chose the worst possible moment for it when Ruby was having a mental breakdown. But hey it gave us the best line from Ruby, "By the way we're so happy for you" lol.
And that beautiful meme was born
@@TempestMaximus Here's more evidence for that meme: Ruby rejected Sundred Rose-Summer's weapon-when it was revealed to her that Summer left Tai for his ex.
@@abelzerihun7985Wait hold the fuck up!
Your telling me that Summer, a married wife and mother, who takes care and loves Yang as her own child, left her family to be with Raven!? Her husband's piece of shit ex wife who abandoned them all!?
And why? Did she love Raven too and just had to be with her?
Were they really going for the poly shit, or was it just, oh Summer loved Taiyang, married him, had a kid with him, and then realized she liked girls.
@@TheiTzCynicalOh volume 9 does that and a lot more weird and lore fuckery when it comes to the characters and the universe.
Jaune's time travel alone in episode 6 of Volume 9 has created so many questions, and made him a central character in his own history and in the history of Remnant. All because the writers of RWBY forgot time travel rules, unless specifically told by the story, are set and can be applied across all time travel in fiction.
@@abelzerihun7985
That whole thing was a big red flag. Summer has been retconned as well with that stuff. 🥺
Sun was the best character to end up with Blake. They had chemistry, they were foils to each other, they made each other change for the better (Blake learned to see the bright side of a dire situation and fight for what she believes instead of running away when things get too tough for her, and Sun learned to be more serious and speak his heart out instead of just being hype all the time when the need arises), and the Day and Night motif they had going fit the thematic relationship between the two perfectly!
But then again, I have come to understand that everything good about RWBY was accidental and not actually planned out.
RT unintentionally made him better for Blake than Yang.
Sun literally got Blake to overcome her emotional baggage, face her mistakes, and make-up/open up to her friends, parents, etc.
Except he isn't at all. He doesn't understand her; has no commonality with her; has no emotional bond with her; spends a volume violating her privacy and boundaries to the point of her boiling over and going off on him; has no depth as a character; is ignorant to the world; her not noticing his existence outside of story needed bits and info pulling; her side of things being neutral and the feelings being one-sided (and no she shouldn't be put as a goddamn trophy wife for the male); narratively the two do nothing for the faunus equality aspect; Sun heard the same in-danger Blake info as Yang and stayed where he was; Sun was mocked and called a classmate by Adam; Sun is immature af; Sun also tries to push his own view onto Blake then dares to fucking get upset that she won't go with it; and Sun has to bring up YANG to get Blake to listen to him. The one Sun is aligned to is Ilia aka someone who has ONE-SIDED feelings towards Blake. So no, in several ways he's the WORST person (with Adam being disqualified as even an option) to be with her.
Ilia is a better fit due to having gone through shit and knowing the harshness of the world; being mature; having gone of her way to not attack her until having no other alternative; having emotional bond with her; having history; and showing respect towards her privacy and boundaries.
But Yang is the perfection. She has the emotional bond; she has the perfect synchronicity with Blake; she has the going on "not-a-date" dates with Blake; she has the actually reaching Blake in 2x06 getting her to stop burning herself out; she is the one that brightens Blake and brings back here pre-Adam happy self (that never came out with Sun no less); she's the one that strengthens Blake as shown in her standing against Adam, her abuser, and pushing her semblance beyond its normal in cloning Yang; she's been through trauma in her past thus has commonality with Blake in knowing the harsher aspects of the world; she has by having that commonality been able to understand Blake; Yang listens to Blake and compromises with her numerous times; Yang is contrasted by Blake against her romantic ex; Yang puts finding Ruby onto Weiss to go after the in-danger Blake in 3x11; Yang is the one that clashes against Adam with him referring to her as someone Blake loves; Yang is the one with a whole ass gayngst song about her feelings for Blake while separated; Yang is the one shown gently caressing Blake's image in a picture while having a look of longing like a separated lover; Yang is the one that makes Blake's world flip upside down in the best possible way and who Blake does the same for. Yang and Blake's feelings are MUTUAL Yang is a full-fledged developed character, Sun is a side-kick.
@@Scoonertuna Um no actually they didn't. Yang respects Blake's privacy and boundaries; Yang brightens Blake and brings back her pre-Adam self the hopeful and cheery girl; Yang is the one that heard about Blake being in danger and went afterher; Yang is the one Blake contrasted against Adam; Yang is the one referred to by Adam as someone Blake loves; Yang is the one that confronts Adam; Yang is the one that has perfect synchronicity with Blake to the point of having a combo attack; Yang is the one that has a traumatic past that allows her to have commonality with Blake to understand her; Yang is the one that has and develops an emotional bond with Blake; Yang is an actual fully-fledged character; Yang listens to Blake and compromises with her; Yang is the one that makes Blake happy.
Sun is literally a side-kick with a shallow dynamic with Blake and who completely fails to understand her. He couldn't even get Blake to listen to him without bringing up YANG. Will I give him credit for being a good bro in giving her perspective that led to her going back to her team? Sure, but that's it. In v4 alone he displayed every single reason for why he should NOT be with her. But they'd be hetero which is really what ones like your ass latch onto.
@@CrimsonXEI didn’t get your game till the Hetero comment, now I know exactly what’s going on here- look Hetero and Homo ships can go exist my G let’s just spread love instead of hate-
@@godzillaslayer5817 There is no game. Also I have no issue with well-built and established hetero pairs, I have a whole list of them alongside the LGBT+ ones. However I don't see a diff gender pair and immediately put them as romance; and definitely don't put them over an LGBT+ one. See the problem with that last bit is two-fold: 1) I've dealt with this kind of anti-BB garbage for YEARS now I'm out of "being nice" and 2) a bigoted sexist bad-faith anti-BB hit piece doesn't exactly nudge wanting to spread love only having hate.
My ultimate problem with the relationship is that has forced Blake and Yang to become obsessed with each other to the point they block out other characters or moments that should at the very least should be shared are given exclusively to them (Blake’s Darth Vader style scream in reaction to Yang’s “death” and her going feral against Neo, Blake tackling Yang when they find out she’s alive).
Hell in Volume 9 they’re removed by reality itself all so they can finally confess and suck face and absolutely nothing of value was lost, the only thing that changes is that can do their whole cutesy schtick openly now.
Volume 7 might as well have been called, “BY” thank you very much. If volume 8 didn’t separate them you’d forget they were part of a team with other people
Nothing was lost... except valuable time. And nothing was gained.
@@joshuaottley7902 yeah the time spent on that could’ve been used for anything else like developing the plot.
a) as shown in the teaser for v9, there was no time for anyone else to react to Yang's fall and its absolutely fucking fitting for her romantic interest to be the one that has the reaction to it as is the case in literally EVERY DAMN PIECE OF MEDIA. The tackle also was fully damn fitting given their romantic build status as well as y'know her being right there seeing Yang disappear into the voidspace, then seeing her alive in Ever After.
b) "obsessed with each other" ROFL, um no. They act as people that have feelings for each other, but in no way does it block out other things or are they up each other's asses. How dare two people that are in love actually want to...spend time and enjoy each other's company
c) the fact that your ass doesn't get the importance of them crossing into being together goes towards your own ignorance on the subject of LGBT+. Though it is fucking really telling how this shit is pulled out for an LGBT+ pair but not for either Arkos or Renora during their big moments.
Fuck off.
@Thomas Raines developing the plot, developing the protagonist, developing the relationships that they told us existed in the show (except for Adam. They should never be allowed close to that character)... anything. Instead they spent all that time developing a half picked duck and bait. Lots of bait.
You hit the nail on the head when you talked about how RWBY tends to waste its own time and pacing. The biggest issue with RWBY is that it tries too have moments that seem grand and intrinsic too the overall narrative, but they don't *feel* grand or important. And that's because RWBY wastes a lot of it's own story elements. Whether it be character arcs, plot points, places/moments to explain certain plot points, or giving certain characters build-up but not delivering on any form of information regarding those moments. Bumbleby is the prime example of this.
Bumbleby does have "Chemistry" (Albeit a small amount) but they don't have "Build-Up". Having cute moments of levity does not count as build up towards the narrative outcome of their relationship being canon, it more or less just puts them in semi-cute moments that feel like taking bite sized candies out of a candy bowl when you want a full fucking hershey bar. They want us to buy their relationship and feel invested in their relationship, but it doesn't have the build-up it needs because after volume 6, Blake & Yang don't really tackle any issues or develop as characters. They are pretty much just defined by their lesbian relationship and.... That's it. XP
All these food metaphors are making me hungry lol
BB has the best chemistry in the damn show and has 9 volumes of build up. Your bitch ass ignoring or not picking up on it doesn't make it not there.
Also they really don't give a shit if homophobic incel shits like you buy the relationship or not; the actual people that watch and enjoy the show do. From neutrals to LGBT+ BB'ers. Crawl back into your sewage hole to fester more.
Honestly, I’ve seen many, many fanfiction writers write Bumblebee far better, to the point of being an optimal choice. Too bad this series has been circling the drain as much as Rooster Teeth’s stocks.
Blake and Sun has sooooo much chemistry and didn’t they literally share a kiss before they went separate ways. Honestly a whole season has Blake and Sun getting close, even with Sun having the awkward meeting the parents for the first time trope. Then it all was just thrown away
Yes Eclipse is such a good ship
Blake did kiss Sun but on the cheek
@@loiiysailor1177 Sun deserved the lips kiss, Yang deserved /Nothing/.
@@koyukihime2669 well if I was RT I would say F you and your ship! that ship won't make us money!
but am not RT so I say it what it is
Really funny how if you think about it Sun gets everything from Blake way sooner than Yang did.
Sun’s obviously romantic flirting with Blake.
Sun being the one Blake reveals her Faunus identity to. And talked about it.
Sun talking with Blake about her important Issues, like human Faunus relations, Blake’s past with the White fang, about Blake’s personal emotional issues that caused her to ether run away or alienated those close to her.
Sun meeting the parents.
Sun being there for Blake when she needs it.
Sun Backing Blake up in her crusade against the Whitd Fang.
Sun Dancing with Blake at the prom.
Sun getting kissed by Blake.
Yet Yang is supposed to be the one Blake ends up with despite them putting in none of the work.
Thank you for explaining my problem with BlackSun vs Bumblebee situation very respectfully! It just so obvious that Sun and Blake are the endgame, and while I respect them turning ship and consider Blake relationship with Yang, it's really frustrating to see this thing that they build up to for half a decade just go down the drain and act as if they never consider BlakeSun to have any chemistry, like, at all. You're correct in saying the crew really wasted their time and everyone else's here
It allowed for homophobic ruby memes which is the best thing out of this series
EruptionFang said it best why he doesn't ship Bumblebee: With Bumblebee canon it takes away from the team aspect of Team RWBY. Now Blake and Yang have to care more about each other than Ruby or Weiss. I felt sorry for Ruby in Vol 9, she's suffered a lot and Blake and Yang are all happy go lucky together; Yang was a terrible sister that volume.
Oh yeah. She was probably at her worst that volume and made me really hate her
You know what I find utter hilarious?
Yang and Blake's little dance scenes from season 2 is a fantastic representation of female friendship.
Yang offering the dance as a joke, Blake showing up with Sun despite intending to follow up with Yang, Yang casually handing Blake off to Sun after a half second of on screen dancing-everything about it is absolutely perfect.
If you went back in time to when that season first came out and told me that Yang and Blake, of all characters, were not only going to wind up together, but were supposedly *planned from the start,* I would have laughed in your face.
And then promptly lost my mind when you brought out the video evidence.
I think we found it.
After all these years, we’ve finally found the coveted love story.
A love story even worse than Twilight
Bingo.
Truly a chud and ignorance filled view.
If Yang were a male and winked at Blake while offering her his first dance; then Blake came to the dance and took him up on that; your ass wouldn't at all try to call it friendly. Or the offer a joke. Yang would be an example of a non-toxic masculine male letting Blake have her fun, instead of being a jealous asshole. But let Yang be a girl and oh no its clearly just friendly and a joke.
No chucklefk, every LGBT+ person I know that saw that and even some non-LGBT+ new gen viewers that don't hetero-lenses welded to their skull that see that scene know exactly what is going on there. They may have had their doubts on if it'd actually lead to something cause of the time being pre-turning the corner on LGBT+ in main stream; but they picked up on what was potentially being setup. Its only hetero chuds that don't see it and try to paint it as "just friends" like every single other LGBT+ pair; cause you're incapable of handling the idea of two women being romantically into each other.
@@sojournertaylor6897
Took the words right out of my mouth. At least that romance in Twilight was planned from the start, even if it was boring as flip.
@@KritoSkywaker So was BB and your dumbass whining doesn't change that reality. The hot-mic vid with Arryn talking about her character being in a lesbian relationship with another character with Miles, Kerry, and Monty in the room exists; the build for BB exists; the interview where Monty gleefully talks about there being LGBT+ in the main cast and them having to figure themselves out and earn the romance exists; the clashes of Yang vs. Adam and his jealous lashing out at Yang specifically exists; etc.
Cry and cope harder dumbass.
It’s wild because Yang and Weiss have such better chemistry together especially when Weiss is consoling Yang over the whole Blake leaving thing. Also at the bandit camp, those too are so much more healthy and work so much better together. Even thematically they have plenty of those classic tropes!
I agree with that. Their moments together were so cute that I shipped them after that , I never saw anything emotional and vulnerable like that with Blake and Yang.
Im not sure if they have that much better chemistry or not but hey at least more chemistry was established between them at all which is absurdly sad.
You know that YA novel trope where the main character always seems to ignore the stable friend who's always supportive and kind to her, and instead chases a bad boy/girl type that often leaves her high and dry or causes her heartbreak? Yeah, lol
@@SwitchbackCh Freezerburn truly was the ship we deserved
@Sbreddragon Honestly I lean more toward White Rose.
It’s crazy to think that we still say stuff like Blake and Yang needed more time to develop, yet Roosterteeth had a whole 9 volumes to flesh out their relationship and they didn’t make the most of it. This could’ve been a well executed relationship, but because the story was rushed it just feels undercooked overall. It sucks because there aren’t a lot sapphic couples that are being portrayed in on-going mainstream productions, but I glad that some of the fans are happy with it. Great video overall!
Awesome stuff, thank you! Please share it around. Also what were your favorite moments of the video?
Exactly they had 9 years to work with it but they try to cram in some much other stuff, the cast gets so unnecessarily bloated and they try and make us care about all the characters it makes it to where we end up not caring about any of them (true it may not be that extreme but you get what I’m saying).
@@KaiserShounen Gotta say you got great taste in memes, but also your video really captures the points Bumbleby critics typically make that often get misinterpreted. We don’t hate Bumbleby, we just wished it was written better (or rather the whole show written better). This could’ve been a ship that could’ve be treasured by everyone, not just RWBY fans.
My main gripe about BB is what you said about Blacksun. Whether or not you like Blacksun, the way they handled the relationship between Sun and Blake is some of their best character writing between two people (save for slapping the shit out of Sun). I was even happy when sun implied "Being there for her was the goal, not getting together." Because it shows what a good character he is.
To put away that much chemistry and to force BB left a bad taste in my mouth, especially with how big their baggage should've been. I wouldn't dislike the ship as much as I would if not for the fact that they have shown they can write great relationships without having to force it.
It's not that I hate Bumblebee, its just that the journey to get there was a poorly developed one. I was admittingly more invested with Black Sun because that's what it appeared they were going for at first before being dropped for Bumblebee. I just did not buy it with the way that RT handled the ship, Yang and Blake's relationship was so undercooked, that they are presented on the plate still fully pink when you ordered well done. I was sorely disappointed yall, i'm not down with it.
Except it wasn't actually. YANG is the one that reached Blake in 2x06 via having a traumatic experience; YANG is the one that develops an emotional bond with Blake; YANG is why Blake came to the dance and took her offer of her first and only dance; YANG is the one contrasted by Blake against Adam her romantic ex; YANG is the one that went after the in-danger Blake (while Sun stood in fucking place doing nothing); YANG is the one that was referred to by Adam as someone Blake loves; YANG is the one that launched herself at Adam w/ berserker tears; YANG is the one that put emphasis on Blake leaving within a list of the various tragedies of the Fall of Beacon; YANG is the one that looked at a stack of books thinking of Blake; YANG is the one that Blake is looking at in the transition of the v4 OP; YANG is the one that Sun has to bring up to get Blake to listen to him; YANG is the one who's name Blake's voice cracks on saying; YANG is the one that has a "time slows and everyone/thing disappears but the two" scene with a "Yang?" from Blake in their mini-rreunion; YANG is the one that Blake does a gesture towards that is identical to one shown by the voice actors as showing interest/attraction; YANG is the one that not only brightens Blake but also brings out her original cheery self from pre-Adam; etc.
I don't think anyone gives a shit if your BS shipping likely bigtoted ass is onboard with it or not. A majority of LGBT+ and even neutral people are onboard with newer viewers coming in immediately being "wait people didn't see these two building romantically? HOW?" showing that its a problem with incel hetero-lensed dipshits like yourself; not the show or pairing.
@@CrimsonXE Ah yes another excellent essay from Prof. Crimson XE
@@CrimsonXEyou do realize people say that about straight relationships too ? If homophobia is the only defense you have I don't think you have a true argument to give. Nobody cares about their gender or the fact that it's not a straight relationship. If it was I don't think people will let it slide either
@@vectory674 ROFL, oh this is rich. Let's start by mentioning how straight relationships have never been discounted at ANY damn point on the idea of them being straight. Fking Neptune/Weiss, the worst shallowest flimsiest hetero pair in the show isn't given the grief that BB is. Even a more cliche one like WhiteKnight isn't given the same grief. The first having nothing to it but Weiss's having a crush towards Neptune; WK having nothing romantic between them since like v3 but steadily having moments in the background that build something up. Whatever it turns out to be. Ren wasn't finger-gunning Nora or flirting with her openly; nor Jaune towards Pyrrha; but there were emotional bonding moments. What other pairing has that? BB. But which of all those mentioned is bashed by straight incel dipshits? BB. What's the different element? BB is an LGBT+ relationship.
On top of that several homophobic dog-whistles have been hurled at BB that are the exact same ones hurled at EVERY canon LGBT+ pairing. Hell the crossover ones just beween Harlivy, Korrasami, and BB make a picture on their own.
If Yang a dude (and fk the idea of Sun being that cause no the fk he isn't), the argument would COMPLETELY change. It wouldn't be acting like one side was just not valid or ignoring very fking blatant things. For instance: Sun winking at Blake = omg romantic; Yang winking at Blake = oh that's just friends. The EXACT SAME DAMN THING, yet two different things put on them. Why? Because of their gender and it being LGBT+. BB's mountain of actual relationship building would EASILY be seen vs. the anthill that is BS if Yang were male. 3x11 with male-Yang showing up against Adam "nope that 100% makes them endgame!" vs. female-Yang "well it COULD be romantic, but it COULD be just her partner and friend". Because EVERYTHING between same-sex is "friends" and not building to something more than that.
So yeah, there's homophobic double-standard in place; lying; and just existing in some AU-vision of the show that doesn't match reality and canon. Like someone in a different chain on this vid saying how there's so many BS songs, when the only one that comes close is a one-sided (Sun's) feelings recap of v4 in LMFN. Not to mention disgusting ass sexism and bashing of an abuse survivor character like Blake.
BB is a fking near perfect well-done steak to go with the example the originator of this chain put forward. Its just some people have ignorant hetero-lenses on; straight-up homophobia in place; or are just salty assholes that they're hetero pair wasn't forced into happening.
@@CrimsonXEaand there it is. The gay weirdo cursing people out because of a cartoon character for the 9000000th time.
No, really. We’re SO glad to have you people around….
Like we welcomed you idiots and all you did was act like the SMUGGEST, RUDEST, most ENTITLED little pricks over EVERY little thing.
Made EVERYTHING about you.
Bullied EVERYONE who even SLIGHTLY disagreed with you. (As we JUST saw you here.)
And all you do is say “bigotry” this and “bigotry” that and “in real life this”.
Here is the reality : you guys are a bunch of cry-bullies and nobody wants you here anymore.
You show up uninvited, treat everyone like shit, make everything about you, create a toxic environment, and when people get RIGHTFULLY sick of your shit, you call them bigots.
Fuck it, if this is what gay people are, I’ll be a bigot.
Because I did not spend my childhood surviving bullies just to find more bullies in gay people.
Like, nothing is fun anymore because of you idiots.
Everything has to be a culture war because of YOU wanting to make everything about YOU.
41:05 Here’s the thing… RT has shown before they can write good stories. Hell, Miles was the lead writer for the Chorus Trilogy of RvB, which is seen as one of the best eras of RvB.
And as someone I know said in regards to the two shows:
“RVB... RVB is why I have the high expectations I do for RWBY.
I KNOW they can write compelling characters with mental health issues. David's(Washington) PTSD, Locusts' fear, Felix's narcissism, Sharkface's fixation on revenge.
I KNOW they can write interesting antagonists. Felix, Locust, the Chairman.
I KNOW they can write a couple naturally and make relationships work in ways that make sense. York and Carolina, and Carolina and David (Washington) later on.”
This is why whenever I see how RWBY is handled (especially V3 onwards), I keep wondering what the hell happened? Because while even the first two volumes weren’t particularly well written either, they had charm and were a good setup for what to expect in the future. And then RT didn’t capitalize on that well at all.
Sidenote: Like mentioned with the “red herring” that is Sun (as well as introducing Iilia and changing Adam from him not giving a damn about Blake when she left the Fang to suddenly going on some yandere-type shit), those points make any of the claims by the crew that Blake and Yang were meant to get together from day 1 incredibly doubtful. And I’m sorry, but if someone legitimately believes that when the most vocal supporters of that ship are Blake and Yang’s voice actors themselves, I buy that about as much as I can afford a Bugatti.
I'm so glad someone says this because it's how I feel.
Hell, just look at Camp Camp, which is essentially Miles's show, that thing is well-loved and the characters are well-written or, if not that, funny and amusing enough to be liked.
Which just keeps confusing me on how we got where we are. There's no way that Miles & Kerry were THIS clueless about how to write a story in the beginning. It doesn't make sense that the show went THIS way when we have the exact polar OPPOSITE OVER THERE (RvB)!
It's truly baffling how both RvB and Camp Camp both seem to be well-written yet with RWBY, they have absolutely no fucking how to write the show.
@@Vigriff It's because the whole "RT ruined Monty's plan" thing was complete nonsense.
Monty had nothing planned out beyond some vague ideas that were not helpful at all. There was barely anything to work with.
That other two shows were built with a ton of foundation, while RWBY had straw and sticks.
Bumblebee is a prime example of why I dislike shippers and shipping in general. They could completely ruin characters and anime/manga if done poorly. Ruby was seriously dealing with severe mental issues and here is Yang, whos supposedly the overprotective sister more concerned about some "catnip" to notice the obvious. God season 9 made me so mad for the direction they decided to take.
Not only this, but after her sister runs away Yang complains how Ruby "didn't speak up" earlier, shifting blame entirely on Ruby
Blake, much like she excused Adams behavior, oversimplified Ruby's pain as simply "just being upset"
It was only Weiss whom pointed out how neglectful they were of Ruby, the pressure she had been under, and how ALL of them refused to acknowledge it.
Jaune silently agrees, but I give him a MAJOR pass...hes had 30 years of regret...
...And Yet, even after these facts are layed bear, Yang still makes a half-baked excuse
Just. Like. Raven!!!
Afterwards, Yang WATCHES her sister commit suicide, then smiles happily while comforting Jaune, and only when they get to the Ever After tree does she show an ounce of empathy to her sister...but only to showcase another BB moment...
For crying out loud, Yang doesn't even hug her sister after the battle with Curious Cat but just accepts and moves on like nothing happened.
This series is whack!!!
@@Scoonertuna Facts! Ever since they killed off Adam, Yang's character was taking a nose dive. She had a brief flare up when she tried to comfort Ruby in the Schnee manor, like a good older sister, but soon after she took another huge nose dive especially during vol 9. Like what the hell was that? The shipping aspect completely took over their characters. Vol 9 is a textbook example of what goes wrong with a majority of ships in anime/manga, they become way too prominent, too often in other works. Look at you My Hero Academia, Ochoco what have they done to you?
This and the fact that the shippers convinced CRWBY to just change and abort everything already set up with Sun and Blake
Not surprised tho, cuz show quality died after v3
@@ma.2089 Sad but true. Unfortunate.
To be fair, Yang's character was already pretty decently assassinated in earlier volumes.
Despite being the supposed overprotective sister, she lets Ruby go off on her own into a far more dangerous world than what was already standard during Volume 4; and even after she manages to overcome her own mental hang-ups about losing her arm, rather than choosing to go find the little sister that is supposed to be the most important person in her life, she goes to find her absentee mom.
And even after finding and then leaving her absentee mom, finding Ruby still isn't her top priority.
"If this is someone's idea of a slow burn, I wouldn't let them do barbecue" basically describes all of Rwby from the get-go (from Silver Eyes, Summer, Bumblebee and etc). Great video by the way. The major issue I have with the ship is that it ruins team Rwby dynamic and basically, this is all that is it for Blake and Yang. They hardly have anything else related to the story ever since volume 6 so the only thing that was mildly interesting was them getting together without much conflict on why they can't be together. They could have been together in volume 7 since there was nothing stopping them.
Your objective view on BlackSun is very appreciated. I was shipping them from day 1and all those scenes of ship teasing just broke my heart so much when nothing came of them. It's just nice to know that I'm NOT blind. Those moments were real, damn it. And someone who isn't even a shipper can see it.
I ship bumblebee and I 100% agree with your video! I usually read fanfics about them because of how poorly they were used in the show. I would rather the ship to never become canon at all than have this. Hope your channel grows man! Good stuff!
Yeah, I highly doubt you actually do ship them, because no a single BB shipper I know takes the stance of "would rather the ship to never become canon". Hell no LGBT+ person I know would say that bullshit. If you actually are a BB'er then you're an embarrassment that has no clue on relationship building.
Late reply, but fanfic writers knows how to handle the ship better.
@@KritoSkywaker Not really, like some are great from LGBT+ people; but too eager to get to them being together thus losing the figuring themselves out part. The show is the best of the bunch, not that a chud like you would know that.
@@KritoSkywakersuuper late reply, but fanfic writers might legitimately have handled the entire show better.
@@pallingtontheshrike6374
Agreed. And I just heard, that CRWBY currently looking for people, to get V10 out.
The funniest thing about Bumblebee being "confirmed" canon (because we all knew it was gonna come sooner or later) is that it was overshadowed by Homophobic Ruby one episode later.
Glad someone said it
That was honestly hilarious to the point where I almost exclusively remember Volume 9 for the homophobic Ruby memes.
And I didn't even get mad when Bumblebee became canon. If anything, I was more like "About damn time"
That was beyond satisfying XD
Based Ruby memes have been the best thing to come out of this show since the hentai.
It’s like how on Breaking Bad or Dawson’s Creek really emotional and shocking moments have been remembered solely for the memes made about them (Dawson’s crying and Walter White reacting to someone dying).
If the roles were reversed with Sun and Yang and the exact same things happened with Sun and Blake as they did with Bumbleby, would the shippers still support Sun and Blake getting together as they would Bumbleby? Would they still defend it as they would Bumbleby by saying that the romance between Sun and Blake was "always" there and that it isn't forced under the very same circumstances?
I doubt they would because the writing of how Bumbleby happened was just awful. It was as if the writers wanted to make Bumbleby happen without putting in at least as much work as they did with Sun and Blake and it shows. Sun and Blake's relationship felt natural because a lot of care was put into crafting their time together and they bonded with each other over time. Yang and Blake on the other hand just started flirting with each other out of nowhere starting in Volume 7 after defeating Adam. Because it happened so suddenly without warning, especially since Yang was projecting her abandonment issues with her mom onto Blake and then her grudge against Blake suddenly vanished as if it never existed, it felt unnatural and forced ever since.
Then when people pointed out these facts, it fell on deaf ears with the Bumbleby shippers because they were getting their ship. If it was Sun in the exact same position as Yang, they would change their tune in a heartbeat.
The double standard with the Bumbleby shippers is so irritating because they're willing to look the other way when bad writing lowers the quality of the show as long as they were getting their ship.
Pretty much. I think the shippers just wanted their LGBT ship because there much lesser gay/lesbian ships around the time rwby was producing volume 2 or 3 then.
If someone were to describe it as queer baiting, I'd certainly agree. The moments between the two are so... sparse before volume 6, that I would have to squint and make arguments in my mind to see the attraction and chemistry.
It's like they totally forgot about the relationship between Yang and Blake in volume 4 and 5, so they had to go "full speed" in volume 6 and then tried to salvage it there.
I watched like 6 seasons of RWBY and never ever noticed the hints that Yang and Blake were becoming a thing.
Yeah, its VERY easy to argue that it was two friends finally reconnecting after a MAJOR falling out..
Unfortunately, even this was handled poorly because the falling out, and bitter aftermath, was mostly seen from Yangs pov
Blake up until V6 hadn't even given Yang a second thought, outside of one mention from V5...
I'm all for building up a relationship over time so it feels natural. But there's a difference between "over time" and "milking it until we need optics"
Yeah, the confession really had bad timing, resulting in Ruby feeling MORE alone with her inner demons than she already was. So I can't really blame Ruby for going "Good for you, by the way. We're all SO happy for you!"
And all Yang says when the smoke clears is her stupid “it’s not like we asked her to be perfect”.
@@thomasraines1396It doesn't help that the writers character assasinated Yang this volume. After watching Judgemental Critter's video and her section on Yang, I watched Volume 9 again, and they pretty much made Yang seem like she was a monster, or "frightening" in Blake's own weird description, just so the "you're not intimidated by me" line Yang says to Blake on the bridge seems more true and accurate.
So the writers, in order to finally confirm the fan favorite ship, character assasinated half of the pairing in order to make one line much more "truthful" sounding, while ignoring the material they could've used in order to confirm the ship. The writers character assasinated Yang in order to make Yang and Blake's confession sound more truthful and impactful, while also ignoring all the material they could've used.
@@Number1Rival exactly that line and the dumb “set up” they and do for it was terrible. No character anywhere at any point has been intimidated by Yang (not the way these idiots try to set it up as in she’s just “naturally” scary). The only people who have been intimidated by her are people she’s beaten the shit out of.
It is so, so dumb.
@@thomasraines1396Yang actually is my least favorite character in the show, with Cinder being a close second, but I could at least understand the set up better had the writers used what material they had at their disposal. I knew that the lines being said by Yang were kinda bullshit, but I didn't know in what way they were bullshit. Meanwhile I felt that Blake's lines were somewhat understandable and truthful. Now I realize why. It's because they made Yang out to be frightening, in Blake's own description. Which just reminds me of how Blake also percieved and described another individual: Adam Taurus.
@@Number1Rival oh damn that’s really messed up.
Bumblebee broke the entire main squad.
Blake and Yang are now permanently joined at the hip and you’d be hard pressed to find a moment where the two of them are in the same room and choose to do a team attack (or hold a conversation) with anyone but each other.
You wanna know something else?
These two have as much chemistry as tap water and rain water. They’re so bland and the relationship was so forced they had to literally be coerced by an outside force into confessing their totally-natural, definitely-planned-from-the-beginning “love”.
If the writers were taking any prior characterization into account, the relationship wouldn’t last long anyway.
Yang has a habit of grabbing other people’s junk without their consent, and Bland can get pretty handsy with partners (especially of the blonde variety).
I gotta side with Adam on this one. What *DO* they see in each other?
4:35-4:44 And people speculated that Yang's attraction to Blake is due to "mommy issues" because she looks somewhat similar to Raven and abandons her.
5:17-5:25 Yang’s head clipping through Blake did not age well
10:20 Adam says that but doesn’t do anything significant until the attack on Haven.
17:48-17:49 Clipping heads
24:01-24:10 RWBY did get attention but it was not the kind of attention that RT had in mind.
30:07-30:14 And who got hit with a double axe handle strike from Blake in V5.
35:14 Blake could have shot him as well
36:03-36:17 Also this is the person that believes that defining someone solely off of one word is a good thing. After Blake’s advice, Nora wanted to “find out who just Nora is” and Nora separated from Ren.
40:53-41:04 And said animation team working on other RT’s animated project.
41:37-41:51 Other examples include Adam knowing Yang’s name, Nora knowing Neo’s name, and Ruby knowing the name of Theodore-the headmaster of Shade academy.
43:40-43:46 And in a couple of hours, she gets over it and lectures her past self.
48:55-49:08 The “slow burn” argument can’t be used since the punderstorm 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞𝐬 Blake and Yang confess. Also if placing them in a another dimension was the way BMLB was going to be confirmed, then that means Blake and Yang were never going to naturally confess to each other.
50:55-50:59 Most of whom were let go due to RT not renewing their contracts.
Adam did try to have the Belladonnas’ assassinated but that seemed to only become a thing when he figured out Blake was on Menagerie when one would think he would’ve done that anyway considering his melodramatic “destroy everything you love” line to Blake.
The whole "slow burn" argument is stupid because there was no spark between the two characters. There was no chemistry or build up not yo mention it makes zero sense at on why these two wpuld have feelings for one another. Especially when they have shown attraction towards guys and not girls like sun and blake them have shown tons of hints of them likimg each other. Not to mention they were basically being forced to "confess" in order to survive which is very disgusting and disturbing. It basically rt and the writers forcing them to be something not id they don't they will die like how horrible is that.
@@thomasraines1396and then it’s even more melodramatic when it’s insinuated through the bees that Blake doesn’t love Ruby and Weiss
@@BabyGirlTiny fucking wow.
@@BabyGirlTiny
That's...vow... Just... Vow... How ignorant some people are on the internet?
You basically feel the same way I do about this ship. Super happy for the people who love them together but really wished it was done better. Bumbleby shippers really do deserve better because this pairing could’ve really been great if handled way better. Great video btw! I got a little emotional by the end just because of how passionate you were when talking about how it could’ve been great.
Thank you. I hope I was able to convey my thoughts well enough. What was your favorite part of the video?
@@KaiserShounen I think my favorite part is the fact that you brought up Sun and how odd it was that the writers seemed to have set him up to be Blake’s love interest and then did a 180 to Yang in like volume five or six. I’m not super crazy about either ships, but I guess it’s just nice that he was included here since the show likes to pretend that they weren’t totally going for that ship originally. Also the Return to Monke title killed me lol
As a 10 year fan of BB and an LGBT+ person do go fuck yourself. "deserve better" no moron, a 10 year well-built mature slow-burn that establishes one of the characters as bi, has multiple arcs to it, isn't treated differently to it sibling canon hetero pairs, and gets together with the most beautiful damn scene in the entire show = Absolutely great. Kaiser is a homophobic sexist shitlord that is straight and has no skin in an LGBT+ relationship; so I have to laugh at anyone "getting emotional" over his bullshit.
@@GlassofO.J. Monty set up BlackSun. *They* tore it down and made the Bs
I think it's absolutely safe to say that Blacksun was intended to be Blake's endgame romance from the beginning. Subtlety has never been RWBY's strong suit and when they go out of their way to have a slow mo scene where Sun winks at Blake who's left awestruck, and then they continually develop a friendship and a very obvious romance. They spent an entire weekend together at the end of Volume 1, go to the dance together in Volume 2, and Blake blushes at Sun during the tournament in Volume 3. It's all very in your face.
I do not trust RT at all because they're a bunch of scumbags, but just looking at the show and what they're saying it just doesn't make sense. There's no way that Monty's imaginary grand master plan they keep insisting has been their roadmap totally had them go out if their way to waste 5 entire seasons on Blacksun including having music related to them only to rug pull it and suddenly force Blake and Yang together. Barbara and Arryn may have liked the ship but it was clearly never intended. It feels like they only started pandering to it later on. But even then Blake and Sun spend two entire seasons together on Menagerie and include a whole bunch of romantic cliches like meeting the parents, having tension with the dad and the boyfriend, and even getting approval. That's... not what you do with something you apparently didn't have any intention of going forward with at all. Romance is not something you do as a red herring because if you spend half a decade building a romance that's just romantic development. They've just gotten desperate in recent years so they've resorted to what a lot of hacks resort to when they need attention and it's forcing a fandom ship that's not in the show. It's why Sun was ejected from the plot right before they kicked the pandering into overdrive. Because if he was in the same continent as Blake their chemistry and development would completely destroy any attempt to force Blake with Yang.
Blacksun also has more than a passing resemblance to Garnet and Zidane from FFIX and Monty very obviously loved Final Fantasy and took inspiration from it when making RWBY. I don't think it's an accident that Monty had a black haired girl set up for a romance with a blonde monkey boy.
Lmao, they didn't had the balls to go throught a love triangle drama. That would have been enjoyable to watch
@@MrTigrachoI will agree that a playful love triangle would've been decent. Blake having feelings for Sun while Yang harbors a secret crush on Blake but can't bring herself to confess and is conflicted on whether or not Blake should be with Sun.
Tbh I agree with all of this, I hate bumblebee because of how well blacksun is written. Blacksun seemed way better and way more consistent then bumblebee until they squished it in from volume 6 and up by removing sun from the picture.
I would go as far as saying 1-5 was blacksun and 6-9 was bumblebee
one forgotten detail is that during Yang agreeing to forgive blake, she selfishly admits that she wanted her to
stay at her side for you, regardless of what Blake wanted, it's not even that she ran away cause her abuser said
he'd kill everyone she loves; ( which includes her parents and Adam knew where her parents were.) at this point Yang and Blake just became decent friends.
Blake is a teenage girl that just saw her people used for Salem's fight, people see the faunus as terrorist and now her ex wants to kill her and everyone she loves.
Not to be that guy; but Blake doesn't owe Yang anything, they again barely know each other. And she thought that yang and others would hate her since she was
connected to the white fang and most faunus.
Never have I cared less about girl on girl action.
I wouldn’t say “too little, too late” so much as “no one cared or wanted it but a vocal tiny minority, the rest couldn’t care less”.
Not sure If I would call the BB fans a minority tbh. Granted I get thats near impossible to quantify but it seems like a decent portion did want it and the writers seemed interested. Whether you believe them on that front is up to you
I wouldn't say no one cared. That's just untrue. As you say yourself, a minority of people exists that does care. And even then, there's also a lot of people that probably don't even say anything on the matter of Blake and Yang's relationship, either due to seeing other conversations descend into unhealthy discussions, or they have no strong feelings in one way or the other.
I do agree in a sense that a very vocal minority of Bumblebee fans exists that is somewhat toxic, but there's probably a silent majority that exists, that also like Yang and Blake's relationship, that aren't as toxic as the loud minority is often cited to be by many that bring up the Bumblebee community. BB has a fanbase following it, but not all of them are toxic fans as one might think, and I assume discussion with most BB fans would go alright.
@@Number1Rival Which is true. Look at this very comment section. There are many fans of the ship here who aren't ranting raving tumblr-ites and who agree with me on how the ship was written. And look at the minority of people who actually had an issue with my video. Sure that may be due to different contributing factors but I would still say that if the wave was that big, this video would have been panned much harder.
@@KaiserShounen
Which proves, that there's still hope for some portion of the community, Kaiser. I also know some people on social media, who did not liked, how Bumblebee was written and became canon. Even tho Volume 9 has costed me a few friends, who turned out to be two faced freaks. 🥺
this ship started because two friends/roomates had a mildly deep conversation about abandonment
Your right 😂 Which most everyone has in the series together
Been waiting for this video to drop and it was a great video, it wasn’t entirely negative and bought up the big points. The thing that really sealed this relationship’s fate was the landing; holding your two characters at gun point and having them say things that aren’t even that relevant to their characters doesn’t sell the ship at all, for how nice the scene looked it was nonsensical.
To quote Stewie Griffin it was a “polished turd”.
Thanks bruv. Glad you enjoyed the video. What points did I pose you think were strongest or parts of the video you found most enjoyable?
@@KaiserShounen your editing and music choice were on point as usual, so it was a fun watch. Couldn’t really pick a strongest point per se, but the way you pointed out the missed opportunities, lack of friction and how everything just happened along the way was very well said. Despite that, we all know that if the fans come they’ll be pretzel twisting themselves to defend their beloved ship.
They weren't at all "held at gunpoint" dumbass. Its no different than a sitcom having a pair of characters that obviously have feelings for each other be locked in a room to come out with said feelings.
Also "not relevant to their characters" bitch what? Everything they said is completely fucking relevant and honestly exactly wtf they need to hear from their SO. But congratz on showing your lacking of knowing the characters or show. Know-nothing homophobe.
@@thomasraines1396 This video? Yeah, but not even polished. Its basically a bigoted straight know-nothing bitch boy whining that an LGBT+ ship that was well-built happened and his little bitch ass wants to cry about it. Prob needs his braindead ass's diaper changed.
Ignores things in the show, lies about other things, spews sexist bullshit at Blake, spins other things, and pretty much shows that the bigoted fuck didn't watch the show.
After watching this video, I think my original comment still stands true. But I also believe that many of the flaws with the Bumblebee relationship also effect the plot overall. The kiss exemplifying how it's not the characters of RWBY being in control of the plot and its progress, or even being in control over their own actions. Instead, the plot and writers have destroyed the facade most fiction attempts to build and hold onto. The plot has firm control over the characters like puppets. Blake and Yang only kissed because they had to. They, narratively, did not get the right to choose when and where they would admit their feelings. And even if they had the right to choose in that scene, the world of the Ever After quite possibly would've just kept them imprisoned or killed them anyway. So it's a lose-lose situation no matter what for Blake and Yang
And that issue plagues how most of the characters behave, which affects the plot. Which can overtime effectively destroy ones suspensions of disbelief about the characters and their actions. The believability of the characters you're watching are actually acting on their own begins to decay as a result. Which eventually destroys that suspension of disbelief completely.
Well I hope this meant you enjoyed the video. What was your favorite part of it?
And also yeah the fact that they trapped Blake and Yang in order to do this feels so scummy as hell ESPECIALLY since they had no reason to hold off on confessing at this point
@@KaiserShounen My favorite part is a tie between the chapter Emphasis-ness, as well as Time waits for No-RWBY. Both point out 2 other very damaging issues with the show. Those issues being a lack of a deep focus on the shows part, as well how the show has general issues when it comes to use, and lack of use of, time and the passage of time.
While I will say that the series has explored a wide variety of topics, characters, plots, and even the world of RWBY and some of its cultures., the exploration never goes farther then the entrance to said topics. In relation to Blake and Ynag, much of the audience is left to fill in the blanks of a relationship that should be thoroughly explored by the writers, but it isn't because either the writers don't want to mess up what they've created, or they have no idea how to make the journey from friends to romantic partners seem believable and genuine for such a relationship that Blake and Yang share. Much like the writers in that regard, whenever someone praises Blake and Yang for being a couple, much of what I hear is that "the reason Blake and Yang are well written or good is because they are lesbians." Much of the praise never dives deeper into the journey of the characters or how they developed outside of that title of being a lesbian couple. Such a praise is also often cited by defenders as being how haters of the show are bigots because they "hate Blake and Yang for being lesbians."
Both defenders and haters can lean too far into that aspect and lose focus on the actual characteristics and development that Blake and Yang had. This video did well to avoid diving into the rabbit hole of circular arguments that come up whenever anyone brings up the fact that Blake and Yang are lesbians. Such a description doesn't necessarily matter because if any relationship in fiction is handled in a similar way, then most people would probably have a similar reaction of being disappointed by the poor results and surface level exploration of Blake and Yang's relationship, as well as all of the potential such relationship had offered to the narrative and characters that has been largely ignored and lost by the writers, and picked up by fans that want the characters to be explored more in depth.
When it comes to RWBY and the show's handling of time in general, within the show's narrative and outside of the show in production, there's large issues all around. Supposedly, Volume 9 was supposed to have 12 episodes but two were cut because of the crossover justice league movie. There's also a lot of mishandled production overall judging by the statements of ex employees. Meanwhile within the narrative, the audience can only make guesses about how much time passes each volume as well the time that passes between each volume. I guarentee you that if you put 10 random RWBY fans in the same room, each one will have a different idea of how much time has passed between volumes. Also, Jaune playing with the time fruit has caused major questions to develop in regards to the timeline, how Jaune's time travel may have created an infinite loop or paradox, possibly multiple universes, and it may have even put into question the free will of the entire world of Remnant, which harms the stakes of every previous volume as a result. The damage done to those stakes further harming the suspension of disbelief as I mentioned before.
@@Number1Rival Thank you so much for your hefty response lol. Those two portions were some of my favorite to work on and I'm glad they hit so well for you.
For years I have seen how much discussion surrounding the ship getting degraded as a result of bringing up Blake and Yangs sexuality. It often makes people very very very emotional to the degree that the conversation becomes toxic or overdramatic in some way shape or form. Which is made even worse because no one even knows how to leave these conversations before they get so toxic. And I see this on BOTH SIDES of the equation. And I am sick of it.
As you said, many of my issues with this ship could be applied to sooooooo many non gay relationships in media and no one would have an issue discussing them in a civil manner. Everyone rightfully hates and points out the flaws of Sasuke x Sakura (Naruto), Mark x Amber (invincible) or Marionette and Adrien (Miraculous Ladybug) because they all have the same dumbass problems. And even if I am wrong about all of these different ships including bumblebee, that doesn't distract from the point that we shouldn't be distracted... from the point lol. The point being, the writing. Q.E.D
@@KaiserShounen On that last bit about not being distracted to the point of ignoring the writing, I've started to see a, from my perspective, new defense emerge about RWBY's writing. As you pointed out with the ships you mentioned, those have similar flaws, similar flaws can be seen in those ships, that also apply to Blake and Yang's. However, a weird defense I've heard from certain individuals about RWBY's writing is "well, the flaws in RWBY are also seen in [insert show or media name here] and that show is seen as good. So RWBY is good now because [Insert show name here] is seen as good."
It's almost like some have given up and resorted to defending the show by saying the flaws in RWBY aren't flaws because those flaws exist in another type of media. But as you mentioned, the point is the writing itself has many flaws and we shouldn't ignore them when discussing other elements, and that we shouldn't neglect how the writing has an impact on most of, if not all of, the elements of RWBY. And yet some are quick to try and say the flaws don't matter because they exist somewhere else, therefore the flaws are canceled out by other works.
However, that argument both ignores and highlights the flaws of RWBY's writing. It ignores the writing by trying to focus attention another shows flaws, while also highlighting both the shows flaws by saying that similar issues occur within both media, and that the writers of RWBY, if they took influence from that work, didn't learn from whatever issues the flaws, of the work they were influenced by, caused later on in the show. Such an argument also neglects that while both RWBY and another work may have the same flaw, they are still flaws within their respective works. A flaw and Blake and Yang's relationship and how it was written may also be a flaw in Adrien and Marrionette's. But that flaw still is a flaw within their respective shows.
It also doesn't discount other issues that much of the writing has when it comes to RWBY. With newer volumes seeming to open up new wounds in older volumes, and older volumes causing issues for the newer ones. With the overall narrative of the series being torn apart by itself in an effort to simultaneously correct and direct the characters along the plot by force, rather than have the characters direct the plot themselves in their own direction like most fictional stories attempt to do with their plots.
I think you hit the nail right on the head,. These are no longer characters moving the plot but an example of the plot moving the characters
Honestly? I like the pairing. Yang and Blake are my two favorite characters. Hell, my girlfriend and I want to get individual tattoos of Blake's and Yang's emblems for each other since they're our favorite characters. Blake is hers and Yang is mine. So Bumblebee is sorta our special little couples thing between us and means something different to the two of us. We even both really found the confession scene very sweet and adorable (I blame it on the seratonin). That said.....
....goddamn, did CRWBY fumble this from the get-go or what? I'm convinced that CRWBY and the Wasps don't want an actual relationship between two characters. They want a pairing. They want a "Ship" without the substance and depth of an actual relationship. As much as my girlfriend and I have accepted Bumblebee, we both wholeheartedly agree that it was poorly handled from the beginning. Not to mention how much both Yang and Blake have regressed from a writing and development standpoint. We both acknowledged that Yang's and Blake's writing has not been very good at all for a while now. And with everything going at RT and the way both Barbara and Arryn are using OnlyFans to push Bumblebee by posing in sexy lingerie and doing lesbianic poses, you now have to wonder if Bumblebee is Queer Baiting.
Hey man thank you for liking the video. Hope your girlfriend enjoyed it as well. I understand how hard it can be to do so despite your love for the ship. Y'all are living your best life.
Also did Arryn and Barb actually do that? LMFAO
Btw, tell me what you and your girlfriend liked most about this video? Favorite chapters? Favorite arguments? Favorite jokes? Please let me know if there is anything I can improve on.
@@KaiserShounenI still have to forward her this video. But other than that, your video was pretty solid and one of the best and most articulate constructive criticisms of Bumblebee ever. She's also a hardcore Blacksun shipper so I am sure this will only validate her feelings about the ship further.
And yeah. Barbara and Arryn are using OnlyFans to push Bumblebee. You might have to do a bit of a Google search but you should be able to find a subreddit or two on the subject. It's sketchy as fuck. Especially when you take into account who their target demographic is and how much they love to tout about how much of an ally they are to the LGBTQ community.
@@DeadmanInc336 Milking if I've ever seen it. Btw good take
@@Spaijit they probably are. RWBY's future is very much in question. Probably more than it ever has been. Hell, RT's entire future is in serious question at this point. Maybe they see the writing on the wall and are cashing in their chips while they still can.
@@DeadmanInc336 Yeah. It's really unfortunate.
Honestly I thought the whole bumbleby was just a joke that the whole team rwby relationship was like a group of sisters. Yang is the mama bear of the group,Blake is the lone wolf (cat) type,Weiss is tsundere ice princess and Ruby cheerful optimistic type of character. However now that bumbleby happens it just feels empty and ruin the team dynamic let’s not forget that this relationship is kind of toxic because it build upon killing a guy.
a) its not built on killing a guy, though even that is bullshit cause it was SELF-DEFENSE after giving the psychoptic ass every fucking chance to walk away. Its built on two characters that have commonality of traumtic pasts that bonded as they hung out with each other and grew from strangers to close friends to lovers.
b) it doesn't at all ruin the team dynamic that was ALWAYS setup for sub-pairs. Or did you forget that the entire damn structure put forward from the damn start was partner sets of 2 that joined into an overall team of 4. Also funny that this shit isn't ever brought up towards Arkos or Renora. Just the LGBT+ relationship. Wonder why?
Just say your ass is homophobic shitlord.
I think the relationship is really cute and wholesome to watch but the lead up to it absolutely came out of nowhere. Sun was the clear set up for Blake and then they just abruptly removed him from the story and paired her with Yang. They were best friends but never showed a single sign that they were interested in each other until around volume 5. Thats not a slow burn, thats scorched earth.
Cute maybe, wholesome I'll have to disagree
Personally I've always been critical of Yang after Volume 3, like I get that after losing her arm, her friend and teammate abandoning her, along with everything else that happened made Yang a tad... emotionally drained. However it doesn't change the fact that she let her previous little sister leave for almost a year before she decided to do anything about it, and this was AFTER they saw their (robot) friend die by the hand of another close friend, having her arm cut off and having their city and school attacked by terrorists and monsters.
You'd think she would be worried sick at least but whenever they cut to her in the house she was just kinda chill at home. If anything I feel like Yang was more concerned about that whole Blake thing then she was about her own beloved little sister going out into a dangerous world where anything could have happened to her and her friends.
I get what you mean but I think its more apt to say that Yang was focused more on herself than either Blake or Ruby in v4
Oh yes how dare Yang after LOSING HER FUCKING ARM need time to recover and get used to her new state. Also get this through your bullshit ass head: RUBY IS A FUCKING HUNTRESS AND CAPABLE OF FIGHTING HER OWN FIGHTS AND HAD JNR WITH HER. Shove this bullshit right up your braindead ass.
My fiance HATES Bumblebee because of the terrible writing and pacing that surrounded it. If you weren't already shipping them, it really kinda came out of nowhere, especially after seeing the writers create a relationship with Black Sun. I feel like a lot of the pacing people saw in Bumblebee was solely in fanart and fanfictions and not in the actual show. It's easy to be happy about an outcome when you wanted it. For those who didn't, they were not sold.
The worse part about the confession in hindsight for me after Volume 9 ended is that the Bees don’t add anything to the season outside of that scene, it feels like RT was possessed by Disney with how they handle queer representation in their films and shows where they very often have scenes where they pause the story for a moment between two character to do something romantic or just kiss that adds nothing and can easily be cut off just in the case the higher ups don’t like it at all and want it removed then it’s an easy “fix”. Which bothers me a lot personally.
Honestly with each person I’ve come across talking about the Bees discussion back in 2019 and was a Twitter user is slowly starts to sound like person’s personal war story because how bad it was back then from all sides, I was there back then and shit was horrifying with the amount that went down alongside the death threats and the other big dramas at the time like one of the VA getting doxed, the Adam war, a drawing of Blake and Yang being cut up and using the parts to a form a bee drama (The artist apologised for it, I believe) and I think 2019 was the beginning of the Vic drama or at least when it came more known…yeah, 2019 was a very different time that I much rather forget. 😅
Now imagine ALL that... and you're also in the RWBY wiki discord lmao. Shit was rough
They aren't supposed to add anything to the season, their an element within the show; not the entire show. To put their confession scene as something that can be removed later or anything but the gorgeous pay off that has the two getting together as a couple is completely and utterly moronic.
@@CrimsonXE Then why does it add nothing to overall plot or them as characters? If Volume 9 never had the confession scene, Blake’s and Yang’s relationship would be exactly the same as shown in previous three volumes that they hold hands and touch each other’s faces even as *not* girlfriends, They never grow or change before this scene and didn’t after it either…It’s a massive shame because this scene had the music and animation team along with the VA go hard and it’s shows, it carries the scene as the writing doesn’t, the characters says only positive things to each other (even though most of it never happened to each other then they kiss without any challenges outside of “just say it” or even confronting their past personal issues with each other, ends up feeling it has as much weight as a Facebook relationship states.
The pay off shouldn’t feel something that you can skip completely or it has be taking in a vacuum because it doesn’t work with the rest of show in mind especially since according to creators of the show on Twitter, it’s been the ship was planned from the start aka ten years in the making.
@@anotherprofessional The fact you don't realize how its important to canonize an LGBT+ relationship, then I'm going to assume you aren't LGBT+. Cause any LGBT+ person would know full well the importance of that. Expanded from that the next logical step for them as characters is to progress into a relationship, it doesn't matter if they play into the bigger story or not. Its the next step. Actually they did change, now BB are doing more of those things and its not a "will they/won't they"; its a "awwww look at the cute couple doing couple stuff". The fact of having them as canon girlfriends in itself is a huge ass step and opens doors for future story, while also firmly shutting off others for anyone that didn't get the message. Namely having a Yang meeting Ghira and Kali in Vacuo and them loving her; Blake meeting Tai & maybe Raven at some point; and even far far in the future serving as a symbol as the head of the reformed WF of a human/faunus pairing where neither cares what the other is and they treat each other as equals. It shuts down any ideas that Sun is going to return and suddenly get with Blake or there was going to be some dumbass love triangle. Cause yes, there were still people thinking that'd be the case; now its concretely shutdown.
Um no, any issues between them were already addressed between Yang's convo with Weiss in 5x08 explaining Blake's perspective in things and the full dialogue during the fight with Adam and post it where Blake promises not to up and leave again. There's no reason to lessen the beauty of that scene in order to rehash old shit. Also yeah, positive things cause no two people in love shouldn't be hurling barbs or taking shots at one another. Would this be a thing aimed at BS if it were canon instead? It sure as hell wasn't aimed at either Renora or Arkos. Its singularly aimed at BB.
Words of the writers & crew, the show's canon, Monty's own brother who works on the show, and behind the scenes hot-mic moments = it being 10 years in the making.
The reality is that BB goes forward as a couple, which is not skippable in itself. And means the world to fucking LGBT+ people. As well as allowing Arryn to go off on her captaining, like saying how the bow scene back in v2 was ick to her; and restating that BB was always the plan and was beautifully done without a shred of her former neutrality. Both her and Barb are now free to celebrate BB and shout to the skies that they're girlfriends. When Sun comes back into the show it'll be to pop the biggest party poppers for his friends finally getting together. And once Nora figures out who she is as an individual Renora can join BB as the gold tier relationships of the show. There is a TON of things that BB's canon changes, but most immediately is shutting off any delusional ideas of BS still being a possibility.
@@CrimsonXE Let me pop your bubble here, I’m under Sapphire Umbrella as well as on the Spectrum, so would please you back the fuck up and kindly piss off with “Any LGBT+ would know full well the importance of that” and “means the world to fucking world” while assuming my labels and predicting you speak for every queer on the planet when you don’t.
Assuming that all queer people think and feel exactly same is actually homophobia.
I loved this video. Very well edited, good jokes and the music choices are top notch.
The "is pacing an instrument" section is my favorite part of the video.
This video pretty much perfectly encapsulates my feelings on Bumblebee, as someone who loved the ship and shipped them myself. However i didn't want them to just randomly get together for no reason. ESPECIALLY when they basically put Blake and Sun together almost as explicitly as fuckin Pyhrra and Juane. I think the bridge scene is a perfect representation of the ship. It was forced based completely on random made up bs. it's a large part of why I have such a love hate relationship with RWBY, it had so much potential it hurts, but seemingly at every turn they pick the literal worst option or way to do something.
I can already sense that this video is going to recieve attention from both prominant sides of the discussion. So, before I continue watching this video, I will state my subjective opinions about Blake and Yang's relationship, as well as my opinions that are as unbiased as I can possibly be.
Subjectively, I don't mind Blake and Yang as a couple. Romance isn't my main focus when watching or reading a narrative I'm interested in so their romance didn't really grab my attention in anyway. It may also be due to the shift torwards more polotically progressive relationship that has numbed my reception of the two to the point where I'm neither shocked nor unsurprised that they got together. As one commenter said, "they've been a thing since Volume 2." I disagree with that personally and would rather say it was friendship, not a romantic relationship yet, in which another defender of the show said in a Reddit post he copied and pasted as his response to this video which he has yet to watch yet, and will watch when he has time. Blake and Yang is a cute ship, and arguably at the top of fan favorite lists for RWBY fandom members. However, if someone else likes another ship, that is fine. As for me, romance comes near last in terms of what I consider important for a story like RWBY's. I consider the progression of the characters, the set up and progression of the world, and the story of the world, as well as how the pacing of the story and character progression exists within the world. All of that however must also follow along in what is considered to be logically qnd nerratively consistent by rhe standards of fictional writing. In simple terms, the characters and world of RWBY must follow within a set of guidelines, and logical rules, that are set up and created by the writer. If romance comes into play, then I'll take it into consideration of how I judge a characters progression.
Objectively, Bumblebee is a narrative mess. The kiss scene in Volume 9 being a great example of how and why writers really shouldn't do copy and past jobs, because we now have Blake and Yang copying the actions of the Kissing Booth episode of Star vs the Forces of Evil, bur with even more terrinle direction and handling of the characters, with the stakes of the characters fates being jacked up to eleven. I mean, what healthy reason do you know of in fiction, that hasn't been thrown criticism within recent years, in which two love interests are under threat of the narrative equivalent of a gun to the back if their heads, and are told by a higher power, or in Blake x Yang's case the world of the Ever After, to kiss and admit they love each other, or face your presumed deaths? The issues with their pairing don't end there. The relationship has also led to the faltering of other relationships being built up and stalled. Ruby and Yang barely talk to each other like actual characters anymore, Blake had very little interaction with any of her team members besides Yang even when Weiss would make more sense to converse with, because Blake presunably wants to help Weiss in improving Faunus relations with the Schnee Dust Company in irder to help stop the violence between the two. There's also the matter that Blake and Yang never got the chance to naturally explore or talk about rheir feelings. They were put under threat of presumably death and told by the Ever After "Kiss or die.' No one can argue against that interpretation either because the show and writers explicitly show us that unless Blake and Yang admit their feelings, they are trapped or they may even fall into the presumed death pit of storms below them. Their relationship was literally forced onto them by the world, so any scenes in which they could naturally discuss how they feel, which could've led to even more Bumblebee moments for fans of their ship, as well as more efficiently flesh out their relationship. It would've possibly even provided character progression to the two, allowing them to also have a discussion with their fellow team mates asking them "do you accept us in this relationship?" which could've led to team RWBY going through a plot in which they discuss how their team work could be effected positivity, or negatively, by such a change.
Blake and Yang's relationship could've offered so much more than it has, and yet if I'm stuck here talking about what could've happened, then I will fail about talking about what did happen. What happened wasn't romance. It wasn't even up to par with fanfiction, crack or noncrack fanfiction. It was fanservice. A rotten misused carrot on a stick used by the writers to get fans of progressive politics, as well as those that genuinely liked the relationship Blake and Yang had, to watch the show in order finalky find out whether Blake and Yang would commit or they would not.
But as someone else said, they've been a thing since Volume 2. So what was the point? It couldn't have been about the journey because the journey of these two is so contradictory to the show's main messages of team work and the themes. It couldn't have been about the destination because the destination, the kiss scene, is so poorly executed writing wise that any marriage counselor would be salivating at the chance of how many times Blake and Yang would need to take counseling in order to keep themselves in a solid and healthy relationship.
So what is Bumblebee? What is the point? Why does it matter? Simple. Everyone, both critics and defenders come back for it. Coming back to see how far they've progressed means you're probably paying a service fee to view the show as a whole, which boosts watch time, which boosts revenue.
In other words, as I said before, Blake and Yang are fanservice. They are like an advertisement in a cyberpunk dystopian future. They're nothing more than a device being used to make money. After all, if the writers are so progressive, why hasn't any other ships like Blake and Yang's have as much screen time? For example the White Rose ship. Why hasn't that had the same progression or even screen time? Why hasn't that received the same amount of focus? Why hasn't relationships like Blake and Yang's received the same amount of focus, or focus in general within the main show?
Simple answer is that it didn't make as much of an estimated profit as Blake and Yang did. Conforming to fan expectations and wants is one thing, but their ship has come at a cost of the narrative strength of every bit of structure in the writing of RWBY. But it hurt the characters, character relationships and the progression of charactersand their relationships, especially of Blake and Yang's own relationship, most of all.
No one should have to seek out fanfiction that attempts to make sense and provide development of a canonical relationship like Blake and Yang's, or even just the general relationships between characters as a whole outside or romantic ones. Those should've been in the show itself but it mostly isn't, or are poorly done in the show's current presented form.
So I disagree with the title of this video. It isn't too little, to late. It's so little and so broken it makes almost no sense.
So enjoy the carrot, the kiss, or whatever, if anything surrounding them and their relationship, happens next. While they have the outline of a relationship, that's only on the terms of the plot's control. Not the characters. Blake and Yang, narratively, did not get the chance to develop their relationship naturally. The plot, the Ever After, the world threatened them into one.
And the shippers and reactors ate up that abuse by the world, and forcing of the characters into a relationship, and said "at last, they are together." Or "finally, they are together."
To qoute Ozymandias: "I met a traveller from an antique land,
Who said-'Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.'”
Look upon the crumbling characterization of main characters of RWBY, and look beyond it to see the endless stretching abyss of character shipping that lays beyond. Look upon the actual writing worn away by the ignorence of its own writers and fandom, and look upon the people attempting to recover and analyze it, with almost nothing left unburied by biased feelings and frustrations of both sides.
Saying RWBY had the budget of a double cheeseburger is an insult to the double cheeseburger tbh
TRUE
It just was so forced. Blake and sun had legitimately chemistry. Yang and her chemistry had to be forced so much. Like if they wont it where they had legitimate chemistry no one would have a problem but they forced it
Sun had chemistry with Blake, I don’t know if the reverse was true, especially after the slapping.
Honestly Sun dodged a bullet.
@@jonnjones8263 not just a bullet, a mini gun worth of bullets.
@@thomasraines1396
Agreed. But I fear they make him return in V10. 🥺
@@KritoSkywaker Not only that but they'll probably make him approve of Bumblebee
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If you ask me this ship was too good for this series and they could have done more if the O.G. creator was still working for rooster teeth but no they fired him after Volume 3 and gone there own way maybe if he stuck around BMBLB would have gotten some more love and more depth in the series then it did (But all in all It's my Fav in Rwby)
Fired? You mean Monty Oum?? Dude, the guy fucking died, wdym.@@lhikanmarek341
I am still awestruck at how the trailers were the high point of RWBY and every single time I hear about the show again it only reinforces that belief for me... Doesn't stop me from watching it like a season or two behind, mind you, so I am part of the problem, but still.
That's what i never understood, this person who has PTSD killed someone and did not feel a damn thing. Even before the fight started there was no indication of her PTSD
I never understood the bumbleby ship when I was actively following rwby. Like if you like the ship, like what everyone else said, good for you. Its your opinion and its not the most toxic ship out there, so you do you. I just never got it.
Thanks for voicing everything I thought, but didn’t have a way to put it.
No problem, glad you enjoyed the vid. What were your favorite parts?
@@KaiserShounen definitely when you point out the lack of development that Blake and Yang have. I would have though RT would have done more there, and maybe Monty did have something in mind at the time. But for two people who were meant to be partners (outside of a romantic setting) they really didn't have a relationship or even that much chemistry.
"the most toxic ship out there" um no, the incel homophobes that surround BS fit that bill. What your ass means is that BB'ers don't roll over to let shitbags like yourself run over them.
Just finished watching this video and putting myself through a rewatch of RWBY, but DAMN you really just spoke the truth about RWBY as a show and the ship that is Bmblb.
Kudos to you on your video and script and at least some people are happy about this finally happening. Wished it was better but at this point I just want the story to have a conclusion
Glad you liked it. What was your favorite parts?
Actually he didn't and instead spun up shit, lied, and ignored things to back up his bad faith homophobic shit-take.
True indeed. While due to my own personal experiences and history I don't like BB as a ship, if it was written better while I still wouldn't like it, I could have still bought into it. But the writing has been all over the place. So many wasps have attacked myself and others for simply wishing for a better written story/better written character interactions. I've brought up the issue of Yang's character arc in Vol. 8 not making any sense because she's more worried about Blake than the sister she just had an argument with, and folks just seem to want to bury their heads in the sand. A relationship romantic or otherwise IMO should serve the story, especially between main characters. But like you said, this felt like the writers were trying to speedrun on Critical Mode. I just hope that one day in the future, a rewrite project is taken up and this story gets fleshed out and gets the care and development it deserves.
But until then, we just keep moving forward. Creating our own ideas, writing our own stories, and improving ourselves as people and as creatives. Props to you for the work you clearly put into this video. Very well done.
May your heart be your guiding key.
It seems I'm the only person that hated the scene even in isolation from the rest of the show. Here's why:
Blake and Yang could've just walked along the rope to reach the platform in the middle. They didn't need the wooden planks at all. They're both perfectly capable huntresses in tip top physical shape. They've done MUCH grander feats in fight scenes, so why the fuck did they not just grab the rope and inch along to the platform???
If the plot only works if the characters are idiots, then it's a shit plot. That's exactly what this scene was for me.
It’s called an “Idiot plot”.
You're not the only one, but I didn't even realize they could do what you just explained they could, and you're pretty much right. They could just inch along the ropes.
Although the Ever After could try to pull a fast one on them because of how manipulative the Ever After is.
@@Number1Rival The Ever After could've done that (guess we'll never know for sure), but Blake and Yang didn't even try.
@@PaintingMeJosh Not to mention Blake and Yang didn't get information that may have helped them in that moment to not make the decision they made. Jaune is allowed to tell Ruby and Weiss they're safe, but doesn't allow Yang and Blake that same knowledge.
Or basically, the Ever After did the equivalent of threatening two people to kiss with a threat it won't necessarily go through on, but it won't tell them that what it's threatening them with won't happen to them either. Essentially gaslighting Yang and Blake in the process.
I thought the 4 mains being surrogate sisters to each other was a better story than having two split off into a romantic pair.
You can have a team dynamic that is a found family while also having some of its members be attracted to each other. Team stories do this all the time. Teen Titans is a great example. The problem with RWBY is that their team dynamic is not consistent and tend to get underutilized when specific plotpoints happen.
I love Bumblebee as a ship, though I agree that it could have been built up MUCH better. I am glad they are finally canon. That said, I HATE how this came about.
One of the most important parts of a CONFESSION scene is the RISK one of the characters takes by putting themselves in that vulnerable position and laying their own feelings bare with no guarantee that their desired partner feels the same way. THIS confession has none of that. This is actually not too unique as there are plenty of shows and stories where another character or a slip of the tongue will expose one or both of the characters feelings without them taking that risk, but this usually has a major connection to a third character or to the overall plot, or is at least a significant moment of comedy (or in some cases many moments). This confession is forced by a DEUS EX MACHINA PUNDERSTORM which comes out of LITERALLY NOWHERE.
They didn't even do the incredibly basic step of name dropping a Punderstorm during Blake's rundown of what happened to Alyx in the Ever After. It would have been so easy to just have her say "got caught in a punderstorm" after meeting the curious cat. The writers just decided "time for these two to get together" and because they are the gods of this world that world spontaneously invents a new weather feature to make it happen.
Literally take the dialogue of that confession scene in the Punderstorm and set it at any point while they are in Atlas or once they arrive in Vacuo with literally any decent logic on how to get into that scene and it would work and be an improvement.
Their reunion after the team split would be a wonderful time for them to realize that they think of them as more than just friends, or maybe Illia and her confession makes Blake realize what she feels for Yang. That's a CHARACTER MOMENT, not a world mechanic.
RWBY should have been an episodic monster of the week show. Not a world spanning continous scavenger hunt.
Disagree heavily but i understand
It certainly would've been a better fit for the shallow writing and bloated cast.
TBH, either one could've worked. The main thing is the writing should be consistent and made to fit the type of story being told, which was never the case with RWBY.
Yang and Blake's relationship would have been so much better IF the writers actually did a better job with these characters
This is true. It's like, the idea isn't bad in theory.
But in practice, it's a mess.
My man is spitting facts! I think we all like the Bumblebee scene but after taking a deeper dive into the narrative you do find that Black Sun makes much more sense in the story. and even if they didn't want that, Black and Yang getting together with off screen chemistry is just heartbreaking to "see". I just wish we could see more of Sun, I miss him so much.
The issue is they clearly weren’t planning on going that direction until fans went “NO WE WANT THIS” so loudly that their original plans burned up from the sound waves.
38:49 - 38:53
Funny, I actually had a reaction to this scene. It wasn't out of rage or anything like that, but it was most certainly.... Different from everyone else.
And I believe this RUclips quote that I've grown found of over the years perfectly encapsulates what I felt during this moment:
"There comes a time in all forms of media consumption where you are so utterly bewildered by an event taking place, that there are so many things wrong with it, you don't have words and you simply laugh. When I saw this sequence for the first time, I wished I had recorded it. I burst out laughing, struggling to compose myself, as I was fundamentally blown away at what in the world I was seeing. And the kicker? I wasn't even entirely sure of why. It's like so many issues cascade on your brain at once; you are overwhelmed, and you couldn't possibly pass it out in the amount of time you have left before something utterly ridiculous happens on top of what you just saw. So that's why we have videos like the one you are listening to now; to have a moment to think, to collect information and lay out what happened. Because... What The F*ck?"
-Mauler
I see you're a fellow Longman, I see
Mauler is great so many of his quotes are good and apply to things that are bad.
When it came out that the kiss was planned from the start, I couldn't help but think of this qoute from Mauler:
"There's no use in saying the sludge pipes are bursting open, we're in the sludge ocean now."
There's also another qoute that fits with how Jaune's time travel backwards messes with a lot of the elements of the universe in RWBY:
"I have things to say. Many uses of the word "what," a pinch of the word "the," and a cosmic boatload of the word "fuck." So...no time to waste. What the fuck?"
@@Number1Rivalthere’s also: “Does your ass ever get jealous of the amount of shit that comes out of your mouth?”
@@Number1Rivalwait Time travel? Jesus the ridiculous shit keeps piling on THE HELL DID I MISS?!? Volume 9 must've been..... something.
This honesty puts to words to what I feel about Bumblebee. I was never really a fan as I felt like there wasn't any reason for them to be a couple. I thought it was one of those ships that people ship because they think its cute or see the charm in that i never really saw. We barely got a feel for Yang's character during the first two volumes other than she's a brawling party-girl who's looking for someone and the older sister of Ruby, and half of it is what we get from the trailer. I felt like i was a little harsh on the show because they could only do so much at the start of the series and I haven't really rewatched the show since they first came out. So I thought my biases was showing when I was upset when the couple became canon. I kind of let it go because I thought I was apart of the minority who still largely prefers Blacksun. I mean, I ship Rosegarden and bar from a few conversations and sharing parallels of their journeys, I know that I can reach sometimes and overestimate the abilities of RWBY's crew. Thankfully, I'm not but I still have mixed feelings about the ending of the series.
This shit was not built up to and to be honest the way the relationship is it’s kinda a codependent relationship which isnt healthy at all. Yang went from getting over her ptsd to find her sister to litleaving ruby in a burning building and saving Blake only. Rooster teeth only forced the ship because their views where down. Look at vol 9 they didn’t sell the kiss until then because at the time of writing vol 9 they knew vol 10 was in limbo and cashed in on the ship in hopes of boosting the views to get vol10 green lit and it failed
After volume 6, I was done.
Don't worry, you're not alone. I was done mid-vol 6.
This critique is soooo good for your lack of content in comparison to the other writers/reviews of similar character building and storytelling content. I hope to hear more of you critical opinions. You do well in articulating and compiling events and facts around the subject. And your passion really shows through in a good light, to me. Keep up the fantastic work
Moral of the story:
Don't fuck bees. That shit hurts
EDIT:
Sorry, my bad. I forgot it's spelled bys
Really? And here I thought it was spelled "biiiiis." Or maybe "bs" is better.
@@krraika1847 BS is better
Lol
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I know this video is a lil old but I just want to say thank you! I was actually a really big BMBLB shipper back when I actively was still following the show. I shipped them because after the end of Volume 3 I REALLY wanted to see them reconnect and learn to forgive one another. I wanted to see that slow burn, I wanted to see them slowly become friends again and then realize how much that moment really impacted them and how much they mean to one another. But Nah, instead of giving them fleshed out scenes and genuinely strong and long overdue character interactions they just make them flirt with eachother all the time 😮💨 Something that was such a big deal for me for years after watching Volume 3 wasnt treated very seriously by the writers at all! It was just so skimmed over in favor of unfunny gags and cringe behavior (when they blush and get all flirty out of no where it makes my skin crawl, like where TF did that come from!!!??) Not to mention even though I shipped it I respected the relationship that Blake had developed with Sun and I understood that was what the writers and Monty probably wanted from the start, but then that whole sublop gets scrapped too and now Sun is nonexistent??? Aaaahhhh!! 😫 They messed it up so bad!
I’ve said this before but literally if you replaced yang with Weiss, all of a sudden you have a story within a story
The fans that wanted this ship don't care about their characters, they just liked the two standing next to one another like dolls.
I tend to be more generous when it comes to Bumblebee shippers, as I firmly believe it's just a loud minority of people that are the toxic ones most meet. I rather believe that the show has just worn down some fans to the point of saying "at last, they kissed" instead of saying "oh yes, they kissed."
There are also others I genuinely believe were happy and enjoyed the kiss. And I wouldn't assume they don't care about the characters. Rather that they just don't see or acknowledge the flaws in the same way someone like myself might. And that's fine.
Does this mean I agree with those that say the kiss scene is good? No, I still think the scene fails to hold itself up or even live up to what people were expecting. The scene could've been salvaged somewhat, but wasn't. To add insult to injury, the way their relationship is written and handled is filled with lack of downtime, lack of communication, lack of actual acknowledgement of these two characters getting through or discussing their shared and individual trauma, and also alot of other relationships being reduced to atoms for the sake of progressing Bumblebee.
Strangely enough though, most of the issues aren't due to Blake. Yang seems to be the catalyst for a lot of issues instead.
@@Number1Rivalbro they were NOT a minority….. they basically ran Reddit and every time you had even the slightest criticism no matter how fair? You got cussed out and accused of being some kind of homophobe or biphobe or whatever.
Fuck these losers.
RWBY is basically "The Ends Don't Justify The Mean."
Personally I always preferred black sun and my biggest issue with Bees was the fact that they gave us two volumes where the only previously existing character blake had to interact with was sun, only for them to just abruptly toss all the V1-5 buildup out the window to cram in a pairing that had no real in-universe buildup just because it was popular with twitter.
As for the vid itself; The "Fuck bees" had me rolling won't lie.
I agreed with practically the entire thing. It summed up my exact thoughts on the ship and why it bugged me soooo much. Like I also don't mind the ship itself, that's fine. I'm personally a BlackSun shipper, but BMBL never bothered me. But then you look at how it was handled during the show and it's so disappointing. If you wanted it done from the beginning, don't spend 5 volumes building up Sun and giving him the time of Blake's character development and then just ditch him suddenly in favor of Yang while forgetting the build up. The moments in V7-8 you summed up my feelings on them that I couldn't put into words. V7's moments felt fine, but try-hard and not subtle, almost shoehorned in, and you hit the nail on the head for why the V8 Chapter 4 scene bugged me so much. It should have been about Ruby, it would have given the conflict from chapter 1 the attention it warranted and deserved. Whenever I brought this point up, the point I'd immediately be met with is "It ties in with her abandonment issues since Blake went with Ruby," in which my response to that is "One, that's not nearly as interesting as focusing on Yang's relationship with her own sister that she cares so much for, and two, if that's what you want to go with, FOCUS on it. Blake had such little presence in that argument. It wasn't about her. So when Yang made that moment about Blake later on, it annoyed me so much. As is, they have such little chemistry and their dynamic is way too weak to be compelling. Hell, it's opened my eyes of the far stronger dynamics in the show. Blake and Sun, Ruby and Oscar, even Weiss and Jaune have showcased a far better example of a slow burn than BMBL has.
The one point I will rebuff though is in V9 the confession scene, there are two ways to escape a Punderstorm: Either solve the problem, or wait for the storm to pass. Jaune said so himself. So if they didn't want to address it, they could just wait for the storm to be over instead. Granted that wouldn't be good storytelling, but I thought I'd point it out as it was neglected in this video. Otherwise, great retrospective.
Well there is one way that the writers could've atleast made the confession/kiss scene go over smoother with everyone, while also adding an additional moment for Bumblebee fans to enjoy. If Blake and Yang simply had a talk to go over and discuss what happened on the bridge, then I would not only personally like the scene more, but it would also allow the characters to show further development in a relationship besides getting to the kiss.
This may have been the plan as well. As Volume 9 was supposedly going to have 2 additional episodes, but 2 episodes were cut because of the crossover with the Justice League that began production during the productions of episodes 7 and/or 8 of Volume 9.
Thanks for watching the video, however I would like to point out that in regards to your V9 point, Blake and Yang DID NOT know about how to pass the Punderstorm. Jaune stated this AFTER they were caught in it. So for all the two knew, they could potentially die if they did not reach that platform, which degrades the very scene that's supposed to have them come together
If you want my opinion on what happened, I do not believe Bumblebee was a thing since the start. In fact, I'm of the mindset that they weren't even considered for the RWBY team until perhaps Vol. 4 or 5, because up until that point, there was NO romantic chemistry between these two characters. They were friends, that was for certain, but I got no such stronger feelings. And as for why I think they did this; it was to earn brownie point. They wanted to please a certain group of RWBY fans that were focused on shipping, and for some reason, the fans liked this pair. So, they would rush this development in order to gain their praise. And I know there's people out there who will think I'm against gay couples. Let me say this: if they had built it up well from Season 1, showing us more interactions between them and how they bond strengthened over time, I'd be all for it. But if there's one thing I hate in any media, it's a rushed romantic sub plot. As a writer, this is something I try avoiding myself, usually by showing their development throughout the story. If you want an affective romantic pay off, you cannot rush it. If you do you end up with Bumblebee or KorraXAsami. It's just bad storytelling and I expected better from the RWBY team.
I get where you're coming from. How did you like the video btw?
@@KaiserShounen It was good!
From FatmanFalling's Volume 2, review regarding the mech fight and the ship names:
"Ok, so let me talk strategy for a second, because this is a really dumb fight scene. Right here we see that [the mech's] 360 degree laser targeting system is thrown off by a little steam...[then] Blake and Yang run around in circles until Torchwick targets the very point that Ruby is going to launch from. Which is just bad teamwork. Then each pair does a combo attack so Miles and Kerry get to shout out a bunch of ship names for some reason. But the only pair that doesn't have a team attack is Ruby and Yang. Speed and strength would arguably be the most effective combo against [Torchwick's mech], and if you think using your brain, the two characters who would spend most of their free time practicing tandom attacks together would probably be fucking sisters. But I guess [the writers] didn't want to promote the idea of fucking sisters now did they."
the classroom scene with Blake and Yang:
"So in the same sense that Volume 1 was mainly about giving Ruby an initially antagonistic relationship with [Weiss] only to eventually warm up to her once [Weiss] learned how racist she was, the main thrust of Volume 2 is to mercilessly tease all the people who ship Blake and Yang. And I suppose that entails Yang telling Blake her childhood story completely unprovoked. But at least she offers the story as a sort of ultimatum. Anyway, the gist of the story is that Taiyang Xiao Long is a horrible father."
Two minutes later: "What are they taking about now?"
Yang:"If Roman Torchwick walked through that door, what ould you do [Blake]?"
"[Blake] would probably kick his ass without breaking a sweat. Just like you did the last time you fought him, and that was before your first semester of huntsman training, so [Yang and Blake] are better now, right?
Yang: "You'd lose! You can't even stop me!"
"Well Yang, you did destroy a military grade mech with one hit, so you're significantly more powerful than Blake. I don't even think it's a fair comparison to make."
Fatmanfalling's Volume 3 review regarding the shipping scene in the arena with team JNPR:
"Though much like the last fight, the whole enemy team just stood in a single file line waiting to get hit for one massive elimination. That's because a large chunk of the section of this fight was dedicated to doing the thing they tried to do last volume."
RWBY Audio commentary track: "In Volume 2, Monty really wanted to do the team attack names as kind of a shout out to shippers. When Monty does it, it's cool. It's not as cool when Jaune does it."
Fatmanfalling: "You mean suck? Yes that's exactly what I mean. Because while team JNPR is discussing who exactly gets shipped with who...[the opposing fighters] all politely [waited for] their turn to attack. [The opposing sniper] Mao Ze Dong, no relation, could easily get a headshot on [Pyrrha]. She fired a warning shot at Ren, and failed two clean headshots at Pyrrha. Maybe it's because [the sniper] has enough respect to not take advantage of the situation, as it would be unfair to gain the upper hand on your opponent because they literally forgot what they were doing."
Kerry: "I'm not good at a lot of memory related things."
Opposing huntsman team member: "We're in the middle of a fight!"
It's like the shipping, from the start, always got in the shows way, or made very little logical sense in regards to characters. I mean, you could take away the fact that Ruby and Yang are sisters entirely out as a detail, and nothing of value would be lost. In fact, it would improve how Ruby and Yang's relationship is viewed because they don't act like sisters or fight like sisters. Most of the time, it seems like they barely know each other outside of having the same dentist.
gotta say that "Fuck Bees" intro goes crazy hard.
My favorite part of the video is actually the special guess and how he basically points out problems in the scene.
But being more serious, I think bumblebee shouldn’t have happened and I don’t care if it’s planned or not if they had this much trouble with it they shouldn’t have done it and now what are they gonna do in the future.
Also, you have some major balls posting this on pride month where you would get the most harassment. You earned my respect and as for my projects well you have to wait and see, but it will be very different from canon.
Thank you. I appreciate you enjoying it. I'll let CodeBlazeFate know. Please check out his channel
@@KaiserShounen I will.
So the last bit shows that you're a disgusting pathetic ass homophobic little incel bitch, celebrating a fellow homophobe doing his own bullshit bad-faith vid. Really shows how little weight this vid should be given and reinforces that Kaiser is a disgusting ass homophobe courting other disgusting ass homophobes.
BB dserved to happen and going forward actually has a future, unlike other ships. But do cry harder little homophobic bitch.
Your editing has come a long way Kaiser. Good job.
Thanks!
I still don't understand how anyone can look at the actual show and then decide they're a good couple based on its depiction.
There are definitely fan works that do the ship correctly, but Blake and Yang, as they are portrayed for the vast majority of RWBY; have little to no chemistry whatsoever, and they bring out and amplify each other's worst traits in the worst ways.
That's without even touching on the fact that the show does a good job of portraying better alternatives for both characters. Without even trying, really.
EDIT: The relationship between Team RWBY not being fleshed out fully is the biggest issue of Volumes 1-3, easily. Like, despite the fact that Ruby is supposedly meant to be the titular character, she has criminally little screen time with any member of RWBY other than Weiss in the first three volumes. Including Yang, a character who's core defining character trait in Volume 1 is supposed to be her overprotectiveness towards Ruby.
And don't even get me started on how little screen time Blake and Ruby have together. As one of the five people who ship Ladybug, it's painful to think about.
I like the Ruby and Blake ship.
And yeah their interactions in the show are basically non existent that’s why Blake’s word vomit in Volume 8 felt really awkward and out of nowhere, she then jobbs to a basic Grimm because she “needs” Ruby (I think is what she said).
Watching the show, and witnessing the writers keep each member in their pairs when it comes to even basic character progression of each members relationship is extremely hard to watch. And while I will say Blake and Ruby do need more interactions then what we see, watching the writers miss the gold mine of character growth and study that is Weiss and Blake's friendship is also just extremely frustrating.
The writers basically have a team that they can fully explore the ins and outs of, even more so the JNPR, and they do almost nothing when it comes to exploring Team RWBY and the relationship they have as a team, as pairs, and now as at least one couple.
The writers have an oasis right in front of them, and they just refuse the oasis and walk straight into the desert.
@@Number1Rival it’s so awkward, and yet we’re meant to believe these morons are “family” when they come off as acquaintances at best. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, hell I’m going to keep saying it: it feels like a CW show in that the cast is so bloated and half of the people never interact or have anything to say to each other (aside from at most exposition or things to move the plot along) yet they want us to believe they’re all super mega close and “love” each other.
@@thomasraines1396 Although it's not neccesarily true, there is a reason why Jaune and JN(P)R are often regarded by many to be the true main team and characters of RWBY. Even though the character exploration of team JNPR is also handled poorly, they at least have more believable, or outwardly established, connections that actually make team JNPR seem to be like an actual team or family by comparison to team RWBY.
It's why I was hoping Volume 9 would actually have team RWBY be forced out of their comfort zones and have to bond and talk as a team. However, as soon as Blake said "getting everyone out of Atlas has to count for something" in episode 6, I knew Volume 9 wouldn't have team RWBY learn or grow from the massive strategical, tactical, and logistical fuck up that was Atlas.
And then the end of the volume happened. I mean, my expectations for Episode 10 were low by episode 7 and 8, but holy shit! RWBY's bar for quality is now so low that I doubt Hermes Conrad could limbo underneath it.
But there is one good thing about that though. It means the quality can only improve.....I hope.
@@Number1Rival that is true, they actually feel closer then R/W/BY could ever hope to be.
Yeah aside from Blake’s unbelievable (and just flat out untrue) line the end of the Volume has all these morons reach the conclusion “yeah we may have messed up, but even the best mess up, so we shouldn’t be to hard on ourselves” also the final shot has forces (somehow) mobilized in Vacuo, ignoring the fact that Ruby’s stupid stunt in Volume 8 would’ve caused more chaos around the world.
my entire take on bumbleby or whatever they call their ship is called, is how they think the people who watched their show are stupid and will not notice how contrived, forced and so out of place the entire pairing was.
most people that defend, create scenarios inside their heads, overblown theories of what they represent, how sun and moon blah blah blah. These are all cope.
This pairing was a shoe in to keep at least a certain amount of rabid fans who wants this ship, to continue to support this otherwise sinking IP.
In the words of a guy called Mauler: “Besides, stop writing the script for them, it’s really annoying me.”
Brother I gotta say you have balls of steel for releasing this 😂
More like knowing that his disgusting bigoted ass will be shielded by all the other incel homophobes. If anything he's a ball-less disgusting bigoted bitch.
Man, what are they gonna do? Curse him out and call him a bigot AGAIN? 😂😂😂😂
@@Darth_Bateman if the bigot shoe fits, then it fits.
@@CrimsonXE shut up, you Rapist.
@@Darth_Batemanrapist?
Exactly.
That's all I can honestly say because you said all of my frustrations about this garbage ship out loud. _Thank you._
Thank you for being the one brave enough to say all that i was feeling. Good job man. Sun needs more love.
Sadly he doesn’t get it, he gets treated like crap by the show, (some of) the fans, and in the books. Poor bastard.
This is the reason why fixing Rwby is fixing Rwby! I mean I'm watching the fixing Rwby series and they actually show both ships that I really like because we're still waiting for norah's! That said we're still waiting on wisby. To be confirmed. In both versions
They took out the "lesbian lovers KILL A MAN to cement their love" scene. The romance is more natural now. I still don't like the ship because of the fanbase, but Celtic Phoenix did it justice.
@@joshuaottley7902 well he did make it a group effort!
Now while I say that Celtic Phoenix's fixing series is a decent take, I won't deny that there are some major problems I have with it. But in regards to how he handled Blake and Yang, I think he did so quite well.
@@KaiserShounen this, this! He handled it very well. And without that cheesy line. And you know which one...
@@KaiserShounen As someone on the Fixing art team, I'd love to see a review of it in comparison to the show (if you're able and interested of course); I'm sure Celtic and the rest of the artist would also be equally excited. A series born from critique towards the canon show would benefit greatly from critique itself, after all.
This is such a well done video, you can tell there was so much effort put into this video and I enjoyed every minute of it.
I wish CRWBY did them justice because they had so much potential, so many points where they could touch up and actually develop both the characters in a way It'd make actual sense for them to get together. I honestly think both of them are pretty cute but I hate to see it be poorly written I wouldn't even know how they'd be able to flesh out these characters if volume 10 got greenlit, I wish CRWBY gave us at least a bit of angst but this relationship just got put together so lazily
Great work man keep it up!
Praise for the video: this video's immaculate script, editing (which includes the pacing and intertwining shows like ATLA and Snafu), and musical choices (highlights include the soul eater OST and ai the somnium files) all came together in a really concise way that delivered all your points across excellently. Well earned like and subscribe.
Suggestion: I too enjoyed the Bumblebee confession scene despite not really being a fan of the show or ship properly, but the scene made me cry, and most of that is because I happened to read a fanfiction called Shelter by pugoata on a website called Ao3. Highly recommend this story because because it shows how amazing of a ship Bumblebee really is when given the care and attention it deserves. The author put all of her love and life experience into the story and it definitely shows, easily one of my favorite literary journeys I've ever undertaken. Anyway, just thought I'd recommend the story, but great video and looking forward to watching your future videos!
So not even getting into whether Blake and Yang themselves work as a couple, or how I feel about them as characters, I want to throw my own opinion in: I don't like when main characters form a canon romantic relationship midway through a series, because generally I find that it's either a sign that, A, the writers are going to write a messy breakup to cause chaos and drama for ratings, B, they don't know what to do with the characters being romanced, so they're in a romance because it gives them something to do, or C, one will be damseled to give the other more motivation. Option C is technically an offshoot of B, as it comes from the writers not knowing what to do.
I'm not saying that this is what will happen, it's just what I see the most. Especially the breakup option. It's what Legend of Korra did, it's what Young Justice did, and it's what I suspect RWBY will do.
Sadly it’s both B and C: both Yang and Blake are utterly superfluous as characters, Blake is utterly useless in pretty much every aspect and is constantly needing to get saved by her girlfriend.
I used to be a bumblebee shipper, due to how RWBY has gone downhill due to s**tty writing, I felt that Blake could have ended with Sun while Yang fell in love with either for Jaune, Mercury or even Weiss. Hell, Blake didn’t have any screen time with Ruby. At least freezer burn was a better ship due to the whole fire and ice theme.
Also I loved the f**k bees song and the What I’ve done song. And where can I find the time stamps for Shana’s theme and with bonds like this?
Well Shana's theme is in the Side A volume 9 sections and the second song is at the start of the conclusion
More like way too much way too late. It’s actually jarring how much it’s shoved in your face after zero buildup lmao
I personally disliked the whole idea of romance within team RWBY, I think them being on some strawhats type beat and they have a sisterly bond amongst each other would be more appealing to me
That would’ve been nice, equally as hard to buy with how underdeveloped all the relationships are but it still would’ve been better.
I'm convinced that strong and inspiring female camaraderie is simply disappearing in storytelling moving on. I am constantly reminded of Amy Hennig when she said in the line of: bonds of true friendships in creative writing are getting rarer and that something like the Band of Brothers would be treated with an assumption that some of the characters are gay in this day and age. NOW imagine that with female characters, that's doubly harder.
Great video I love it, you’re so underrated.Also I love the Gorillaz Feel good inc playing in the intro.
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ill be frank it honestly feels like CRWBY was desperately trying to mash in everything fans wanted for so long in volume 9, this ship was just really good example.
and the worst part is that it wasnt done well. i personally found this season lacking in fight scenes which(personally at least) was RWBY's major selling point. when volume 10 gets greenlit im honestly sure it get things more wrong than right
by all means im happy for all the bumble bee fans and am glad it happened. but even you gotta admit it felt poorly executed and extremely desperate from the team
They also canonized Bumblebee because they know the hardcore Bumblebee shippers will throw their money at RT, which they desperately need right now considering Vol 10 isn't greenlit yet, that should be a sign that RT isn't in a good place.
@@StoogesFan nah i think they made bumblebee cannon was because of a desperate "attempt" to redeem themselves. after Volume 8 people started to realize how terrible of a company roosterteeth actually is(the racisim, underpaying and overworking the employees ETC. go to The Judgemental Critter's video on "My thoughts on RoosterTeeth and RWBY Volume 9" for more info). with all that come to light i think CRWBY were desperate to keep the show up as they know RWBY's their main mascot by doing "hey bumblebee's cannon now". again its my personal opinion
I just can't bring myself to watch RWBY no matter how much I want to.
All those little things and even some big things just make it painful to look at.
I feel you, I stopped after volume 8 and the more I hear about 9 the less I want to watch it.
tbh Yangs and Blake realtionship is more important than anything else that happens in Rw-by they might as well makes a spin off starting as Yang and Blake as the main characters
No oh god no. They should never do that. It makes no sense on why these characters would have any feelings for one another giving everything we know about these two. It also damages the team because there supposed to be have a sisterly relationship but because of this shipped is so broken and it ruin the characters and there relationship like ruby and yang. It so infuriating with just how rt and the writers destroy these characters it actually insulting, disrespectful and disgusting
@@oscarborjajr1176 I know it's bad ,but it's at this point BB is their money maker why else the reason Arron and Barbara make a inappropriate video is too push BB because shipping sells, they know RT is not making enough sales , why not go all out they even got ugly merch for it
Yang and Blake are gonna be the only thing that Rw-by is know for and that's sad
How? The episode that made them canon also showed how little these two contribute to the story...
RT literally took them out of the plot, and the story moved forward.
The episode unintentionally revealed that these 2 characters have nothing to contribute except to sell merchandise.
@@Scoonertuna yes I know
i understand the sentiment. I had this with a lot of things. Spiderman for example (andrew garfield) came to me at just the right time. Even if probably 90% of people hated it. Same thing here. If for someone out there felt that this was something that they needed to see. Good for them. A respectable view point from you. Great video my friend
I haven't watched this show in years but i am here for this video
I would normally ask you how many years you haven't watched the show, but even if you haven't watched the show since Volume 8, you still may have a lot of catching up to do with Volume 9 due to RWBY volumes are filled to the point of bursting.
So I'm guessing Eclipse is REALLY dead in the water now, huh. LMAO RIP for the umpteenth time.
You know, the hate fire of this show is kinda good, cause it feels warm 'n' shit. For real, good job with the video!
You bring up good points, and explain things quite well! Plus they're some of my opinions too..
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