Ren and Nora Suck, Actually (Part 1)
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Back to bullying RWBY, people! And this time I'm gonna speak my piece about Ren and Nora's relationship, what went right, and what went horribly, horribly wrong. So let's talk about it. Second part will come soon.
Thank you, DrPepperJ23, for their sacrificial Penny plushie. This video would be less fun without you!
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Chapters:
Part 1 vol 1-3: 01:25
Part 2 vol 4-6: 5:33
Part 3 Volume 7: 12:33
Skip recap to 13:11
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"No booping tonight" unironically should have been used in the show when it was actually fun.
This is basically how I feel about the duo. Nora used to be one of my favorite characters, but at some point without me noticing I just kinda stopped caring about her, and in retrospect it was 100% because they just evaporate in vol 5 and 6 after the vol 4 bomb.
Imagine if Nora was the reason Robyn was able to escape.
Blake and Yang would be eager to capture her and manage to corner Robyn in an alley until there is a smoke grenade or flashbang launched at them and there is a vague form of Nora seen by Blake or Yang.
Robyn would escape because Nora took matters into her own hands due to Ironwood not listening to her.
Excellent
Nora is not only that impulsive but she also (or rather could’ve been written to I should say as the show never runs with the idea) has a massive chip on her shoulder so I can see it.
They did have Nora claim “we all loved Pyrrha” during the giant statue scene and it has all the believability of something off the CW.
Tai: "Oh, so STRQ weren't the only ones who practiced polyamory. Neat."
I can't tell if what you said was a good thing or a bad thing.
@@kidprime6863 it’s not good, the CW is all about trying to emotionally manipulate the audience into accepting things (characters relationships in this case).
I think the major problem with the CRWBY is that they don't plan. Every character is basically a plot point, that they jump to expand once they remember (or the fans scream about it enough). The only exception (sort of) is Weiss, who I am 100% convinced, that was done on accident. I mean it took them 9 volumes... count em, NINE VOLUMES, to develop Ruby, THEIR PROTAGONIST, and it only happened because the fans overloaded on calling Ruby a Mary-Sue character.
A protagonist whose role as the protagonist getting taken over by every other character and still getting called a mary sue is a new one to me
I mean you hit all the good points. I've been basically saying it for years but it's like the writers have to take plot points that would be better suited for the main characters just to give to Ren and Nora to keep them in the story. All the while really telling us nothing about them. I mean I have an honest question for anyone here. Forgive me if I missed this but do we even know why Ren and Nora chose Beacon over Haven Academy
Nope. Good question though.
Miles and Kerry make writing look so so hard
It is
@@thefrubblewarrior4678 well yea I know it is I’m a writer myself but they make it look even *harder*
@@marlom7882For sure, the way people break it down on HOW many levels they messed up it makes writing look practically impossible.
Really good suggestion of swapping out Yang for Nora in the (shitty) Ace Ops fight and like you said, Yang could get a rematch with Neo (and instead of Oscar hitting Neo, which was dumb, Yang gets a good hit on Neo). Like, just have Yang and Blake take Marrow's advice and partner up with others in the friend group. The same can be said for Ren and Nora (Ren's supposedly like a ninja I think so a team-up with Blake would work).
I grown to hate the Renora plot in volume 4, because it take's away focus from Ruby's and Jaune's suffering.
They didn't even mention Pyrrha! Their suppose friend.
Yeah, but should they really mention their dead friend in front of their other friends who are trying to cope with the loss of said dead friend?
The lack of set up for their stroies bothered me to.
RT: "Set up DEEZ NUTZ! HAH GOTTEEM!"
So far I agree with everything you said about the missed opportunities of the relationship development in the narrative how it was virtually non-existent for two volumes, although for me at least my opinion of them didn't go down all that much in the interim though what you came up for them during that time it fits for them so well without changing too much, but then just came back Half Baked with how little focus they got in 7.
But then that's RWBY for you, missing the mark by just enough often enough that when you stop to think about a plot point that's when you see all the different ways a story could have been done more efficiently and still get to where the writers were trying to go.
And then get sad thinking about it...
i think this is like, the best rant channel ive seen. cause i can tell you like the series and just want to see it improve.
how does Jaune shield all the bullets? What about his legs or literally any bullet completelly missing past him
Because shut up lmao
@@KaiserShounen lol MUST BE AURA!
or um.. SEMBLANCE YEA!
Because reasons.
@johnynoway9127 ironically for him it could very well be that if they made his semblance make fucking sense!!!!
@@michaelortiz1561 naw.
Nothing in RWBY makes sense.
Moreso we know so little about them because Jaune got more focus than any other member of his team and then they're a couple even though we got like one joke and one song about Nora's feelings about him when we should've gotten more moments together with them. Hell how about a solo episode CRWBY?
I really enjoyed doing the penny plushie part! Hope to do more in the future
Can't believe you got such a prestigious guest for your video
This is beautiful. Hits all the perfect notes. You did a very good job, sir. Have a good day!
I’m noticing a trend here.
Ren and Nora were loved up to Volume Three. Then Volume Four happened. It’s been a death march since.
God Ren and Nora used to be good, but the. Volume 4 came along and Ren is just an idiot spouting exposition and Nora is an unfunny idiot trying to be like Deadpool. And they can’t their own characters or unique interactions with other characters. Hell, they don’t even get to grieve over Pyrrha as Jaune is the one whining over his dead teacher girlfriend.
I remember being a young RWBY fan and having just finished rewatching Volume 5, at the time I thought it was kind of a boring volume but was sorta fine with it.
This was around the time when RWBY criticism was starting to get more common but at the time I hadn't really seen many people openly criticize the show, everyone sorta treated it as a masterpiece.
But it didn't take long for me to discover a multitude of RWBY critique videos or videos trying to make a better version of RWBY, at the time I kinda just ignored them but the more and more these videos popped up, the more upset I got that (what was at the time) my favorite show was being criticised so much online.
But eventually I actually sat down and watched some of these critiques and listened to the points they had and I found myself agreeing with them and all the flaws they had pointed out about the show.
I get that it's stupid of me to base my own opinions off the opinions of others but I wasn't very well versed in online criticism at the time so it was kinda hard for me to have my own opinions on stuff without the influence of others.
Eventually I sorta just stopped watching RWBY and forgot about the show, I'm more indifferent to it now more than anything but I won't deny that these types of videos are very entertaining to watch and do a good job at finding the problems with the show.
I guess what I'm trying to say with this comment is that I miss when I used to like RWBY, I miss when I used to spend all day watching the show on RUclips and stuff, now the show has gotten worse (or was always bad to some people) and it just doesn't feel the same watching it anymore.
Thank you for sharing the comment. And I hope that despite all of these mixed feelings that my videos have made things a bit more bearable.
Having that realization you spoke of is not an easy process. Sometimes you will look back on media you used to like and some aspects don't jell with you anymore like they used to. But as bad as it can be, that's ok. You will always have those memories of liking the thing you did. Those moments are real. Plus with what you understand about the flaws of the show now, you can gain a greater understanding of why the things that holed up do so well.
And you can maintain your enjoyment whether you find the works you like are bad or not. Its all in how you make of it. So make it fun. Explore other shows, enjoy them, criticize them and love them in your own way. My way just so happens to be drenched in layers of irony and dead memes lol.
@@KaiserShounen Thank you much for responding, and they have made things more bearable.
Realizing that something you like has flaws is very difficult to say the least, you can ignore the people calling out the flaws but at some point you have to acknowledge said flaws yourself, which is what I went through with RWBY.
But if anything, the flaws of modern RWBY make me appreciate older RWBY even more, sure older RWBY does have it's flaws but at least it had a semi cohesive story, a cast you could somewhat like, extremely awesome action scenes and great music.
But after Volume 4 (or even 3), the only good thing the show has going for it now is the music.
I do think it's a lot harder for me to find enjoyment in media I find bad in terms of quality though, the only real time I find enjoyment from bad works is when it's so bad it's good but even then that's pretty rare.
And I find your memes funny lol.
@@peronafanman And thats ok too. The most we can do is keep things moving and find works that are good and that we can enjoy.
About two years ago I watched Hajime no Ippo s1 and FMA 2003 and those were some of the best experience watching great anime I've had in so long. Being as critical as I am now actively made those shows BETTER for me because those shows didn't reward me thinking about them with idiocy. They are both well crafted shows made by people who knew what they were doing and nothing that comes to pass will ever ruin that.
Stuff like that is out there. Finding them doesn't have to be hard either.
@@KaiserShounen Yeah you're right, good media can be found if you look hard enough and being critical of the things you like can make you appreciate them more than if you were simply blind to their flaws.
I'm glad to finally have a normal internet discussion after so many arguments with people about stuff.
@@peronafanman Sounds good man. Hope you'll stick around for more.
So Blake and Yang weren't the only poorly written couple in this series? Like I said on your video about Ice Queendom's first three episodes, I get that Miles and Kerry are comedy writers and hiring writers who are good at plot and characterization would take time and money and so would learning those skills. But I only go for so long understanding a writer's strengths before I give up on them.
Thankfully I'm not there yet as I have yet to watch Volumes 4-9.
I think the most forced has to be Bumblebee, since there isn't enough chemistry between Yang and Blake that implies romance
I would not disagree. But what else is new lmao
@@KaiserShounen Would you be willing to make a video on your thoughts on Bumbleby/Blacksun/that whole debacle?
@@seasalticecream Buddy, I got that one in teh works before this channel even happened LMFAO. Stay tuned for that.
@@KaiserShounen Can’t wait!
Bumblebee is very much stuck in its own scenes though, y'all hyperfocusing on it when it's not even that important to the show is sus af
19:14 You I really find it funny how he says "Moral Christian values" for Benny Boy, even though he's jewish. I just... I bon't know. I think it's funny.
Hope you guys don't mind the low resolution. I honestly don't know how this happened. Thought I set it to be higher, but I hope all of you don't mind.
EDIT: This got fixed
My thought on ren is maybe his tatitude has to go along with his semblance so he can't allow himself to get super angry and have it work well
Which makes no sense since he did use it in front of the thing that killed his parents along with other stressful situations in the past and future
These two are so under utilized , they rather not be in the story .
Also, if anything Team RWBY not doing anything is the problem with the show, it should've been Blake and Yang to begin with that had concerns against Ironwood
Blake is one of the characters who does nothing but shit on Ironwood throughout the volume.
When it comes to Yang I don’t have a problem with her finding it wrong they didn’t tell Ironwood everything, my problem is she only passive aggressively comments on it twice.
The problem for me is that basically no one at the very most is able to see where James is coming from (save for Ren who is portrayed as in the wrong).
@Thomas Raines I'm actually debunking James's plan in a response to the creator of the video.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 I saw that.
I’m planning on fixing it much greatly.
The ship?
@@KaiserShounen no, the show is general, but maybe the ship.
@@eyeoftheswarm5708man u have aloooooot of work
@@michaelortiz1561 tell me about it.
@@eyeoftheswarm5708Godspeed to you. In just writing something on the side, I realized how much Volume 1 and 2 kinda break each other simply due to the passage of time that happens during the volumes, and the passage of time between them kinda being a hot mess.
While I do agree for a lot of this. One point I would like to make about the whole idea of no huntsman dealing with it in a decade sort of builds up on how fucked humanity is against the grimm. This thing is strong enough to wipe out an entire village and all its defenders, and it's barely a blip on the radar. Sure, it's something that they're going to try and deal with, but it's not something they have the resources to go out of their way to hunt down and kill.
But overall, you're absolutely right. His semblance definitely is something they should have brought up earlier. It might have even been a good way to show it in the first fight scene with him. say, having him be attacked by the snake grim. And because using your semblance requires aura, he doesn't have it active all the time (this is also why he did not use it to sneak past the Grimm in the end of the Innitation Arc because it would require more aura and need touch contact to work and his aura would have run out before the reached the end of the cliff and then they would be down a fighter). But when the snake attacks him, suddenly it stops noticing him, and he just starts ambushing it, attacking it from different angles and it just seems confused.
14:14 She’s against poverty not racism lol
Sounds about right lol
@@KaiserShounen Human pain >>> Faunus pain
8:11 You’ve got to be kidding me. Now I don’t wanna be known as the MLB guy but this is Adrigami levels of bad.
The naruto vs pain fight wasn't as philosophically sound as I've heard many try to argue that it is. Here's how someone on the left would've actually handled the writing. For one thing, a world where there are child soldiers wouldn't happen anyway but for the sake of argument, let's keep that in. Second, instead of pain going after naruto, he would confront the leaders of konoha about his situation and pose his pseudo-philosophical questions to them as though he is right and smart and Tsunade would answer his "what would you do?" question with the only reasonable answer: "pay reparations to the survivors of your village". Pain could argue that that isn't what he wants but destroying the whole village after already killing the people who killed his parents is stupid. He already got revenge. IDK, I just thought the whole thing was lacking logic.
Needed this!!! I’m working on my own video
Ozpin DID lie to them it's just that the lie was lame and not worth the build up
I agree.
@Kaiser Shounen It's like what Jello said, they want you to think Ozpin is morally grey but his sins aren't that evil beyond hiding the Maiden religion. Even in his own backstory he's more of a passive observer/victim when really he should've been responsible for Remnant being the way it is/Salem being how she is.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69But he made the Maidens bound to their powers. They can't get rid of them without dying in the process. It's like a Red Lantern Power Ring.
He neglected to mention that the Relics can attract Grimm. Which was pretty stupid considering he told them that they have to take a train FULL OF INNOCENT PEOPLE to get to Atlas. At the very least he could've told told to put the Relic inside a special container so the Grimm can't sense it. He made his students gamble innocent lives just to get to their destination.
Proof that Team JNPR should've stayed in Argus. Seriously, what did they have to add to the narrative in season 7-8?
Other than the shipping bait and the Thirsty Milf meme?
I would love for someone unrelated to the drama to destroy the main bad guy instead of the protagonist.....but only if that is in par with the character.
Let's take the pain scenario for a moment. A chaotic being that would probably scream "F*** your drama, and F*** this guy!" after beating the shit out of pain for destroying his house or whatever. Yeah, you would be killing a perfect opportunity for the debate of ideas and all that jazz, but you would also get a highlight for that one chaotic character that hopefully is liked by everyone at that point in the story. Or maybe is just my wish to see something out of the usual storytelling.
“Simp”-listic lol
"Like all great pieces of fiction..."
Holy shit, dude. How based are you?
Busta Rhymes - Throw Water At Em 💜
Finally someone got that lol
i always knew that this show was just cool fights and a nothing burger lol... had a classmate that was OBSSESED with it and the fact that there are mmd videos made by 1 person with better production value than this... its not surprising that the story leaves a lot to be desired
Why do you sometimes put the little timer on the corner sometimes?
Honestly I don't know where thats from. I must have hit a button in sony vegas by mistake and I wasn't sure how to take it out
this may be a hot take but i feel like ren nora and jaune the only guys i feel like don't get thst screen time and there the ones i cared about to vol 4 5 6 7 and 8 but good video
Huh... No wonder these two felt so bland to me
13:46 Do you know where this clip comes from?
No Idea. I took it from a youtube video that had it. Must be from some rap battle or something
What’s the stopwatch for? It seems arbitrary in its placement at times.
Oh, it’s the runtime.
In my opinion, Ren really should have unlocked his semblance in that fight, not during his childhood. It just makes more sense since it was a character growth moment where he needed to remember and value a calm mind. Also, please just make it an actual ninja skill where he can actually *move* when using it. (Also making him also invisible to humans would be neat too, like, come on)
0:49 what scene is that
Its from volume 7 episode 4
@@KaiserShounen I’m talking about the guy that come in with pizza
@@spacewolf3694 oh thats from a show called Community. Don't know the episode it came from
*sigh* It was going so-so until you made things weirdly political for no damn reason. Most people don't want that nonsense infecting everything, you'll only get other reactionary weirdos with that approach.
Im assuming you meant the Shapiro bit. That was merely a funny way to facilitate my point. After all, Do you see any reactionary weirdos in my comment section so far?
@Kaiser Shounen Also you understand anarchism and liberalism are different things right?
@@KaiserShounen I mean in the Ben Shapiro bit you were literally making fun of liberals lol. How do you even like Ben after he made a giant ass of himself?
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 I don't like Ben Shapiro. I just thought the joke was funny 🤷
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Yes I do but what does that have to do with my joke?