Why Vikings Never Invaded Finland
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- Опубликовано: 15 ноя 2020
- Vikings spread terror across the Baltic Sea and beyond. But why they left Finland alone has been a mystery until now. There are several runestones describing grave military disasters experienced by Viking raiders in modern day Finland. What went so wrong for them? The answer is bloodcurdling.
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Näinhän se meni silloin nuoruudessa. Mutta tätäkään jonnet ei muista.
Ai niin kuten "silloin kun mä olin nuori" jutska .....😶😁
@@cilla-brittkettunen9410 Kyllä ennen oli toisenlainen se pelin henki. Nykyään ei ihan sellaista enää ole kuin silloin.
Ajat Muuttuu
Such handsome Finns in this video. Impeccable sense of fashion.
Awesome comment - couldn't agree more!
@@Anttimation congratulations on your great contribution on the spreading of THE HISTORY OF FINLAND, so little-known to non Finns
And in the summer, the same fashion is still thriving. There must be something timeless about it.
Nstural look
@@edwardamosbrandwein3583 Spoiler. They have only 100 years of history.
Finland, was a really bad terrain to conquer. The Huns stopped at the border, the Mongols, Vikings and Russia. There was nothing here but huge boulders, forests, swamps, marshes, bogs and lakes. This is before finns dried out fields and made roads. One couldn't do with horse-archers or formations, trying to out-flank the finns resulted in your troops waist-deep in a bog, in a hale of arrows and spears. Everyone was reduced to man-to-man close quarters fighting in terrain and weather finns were humiliar with and you weren't. And if you found a village it was emptied out and fled into the forests, not much to plunder either. You could gain a few squarrel-skins and an arrow in your back.
Yeah, I think this is the correct reason why there was never any big blundering going on in Finland...Not saying that you did not get very nasty troll-looking-Finns giving you the hell of the time as well...But just, it really was not worth the trouble with terrain and nothing to blunder for your trouble...
Öö Suomesta vietiin 30000 orjaa venäjälle että...
@@askman1116 Tämmöinen tietolähde puuttuu multa, mistä löytyy?
@@jounikorhonen uutis artikkelejakin on tehty tästä
@@askman1116 Löysin isovihan aikaisia juttuja kyllä, mutta viikinkiajoista on nyt puhe. Tosin itsekin kyllä joo mainitsin Venäjän ohimennen esimerkkinä.
Soviet Union: “Damn these guys don’t mess around.”
Nordic Vikings: “First time?”
Just so you know... Ruzzians are offsprings of vikings...
@@Tesprihalf true. Russians are a mixture of vikings, slavs, and a tiny bit of turkic peoples
@@nicholasjonas2505 Yes, they are mixture of criminals of different societies.
@@Tespri and finns are slaves of everyone,first,it was sweden,and then russia,and then germany,and now america,when america leaves you guys will become slaves of who ?
@@Tespri what you said doesn't even make sense in fact
When you consider the number of swords found in Finland dating back to viking age you can not help but draw the conclusion that this was extremely violent region. It would make sense that well armed tribes already alert to conflicts were hard to invade.
Good points. What is also generally ignored is that not all of them were foreign imports. Mikko Moilanen's (University of Turku) research for more info: www.utupub.fi/handle/10024/119919
@@Anttimation Moreover what seems to always get ignored when people say vikings had "really nothing to gain" is that this shit was really expensive. These people were wealthy bitches. Because jewelry hasn't been found in especially large quantities it makes you wonder if finnish tribes valued weaponry to an extent it was the go to thing to invest in. Together with linnavuoris it paints a picture of aggressive tribal societies where war was more or less part of normal life. I very much prefer modern Finland.
I wonder how large role did bows have in tribal warfare. Finnougric four piece bows have fascinated me for a long time. In my opinion they look cool as fuck with the birch bark covering and statick recurves that were sometimes shaped into likeness of rabbits ears. I have attempted to make one two times already but failed. The two wood laminate causes problems.
@@ReasonAboveEverything That is really interesting. I too, was taught at school that Finns didn't have anything worth stealing for the vikings.
But the best time of the Vikings was way before Christianity, meaning that Finns couldn't have been too far in the development compared to other tribes, since they did survive and thrive.
Vikings are said to have taken wives and slaves in their attacks, and because of sauna, Finn women would have been clean/attractive. There are even theories that it was the Finnish women who were such good swimmers, that caused the legends of Selkie like beings.
Though I don't remember at what point the Finn people came, and when the area was still habitated by Sami people? Didn't we Finns drive Sami people farther north, or was that, too, propaganda/old information?
@@Sienisota Yes and no. Finnish people or are result of multiple immigration waves. The first one I can bring back to mind is indoeuropean nuorakeraaminen kulttuuri or vasarakirves kulttuuri. They came here before the sami people and form essential part of Finnish genome. However it is true that Finnish tribes pushed sami to north and it is as much true that sami tried to push Finnish tribes out of their territory. Few people know that sami people were living of hunting and fishing until 1700s when they switched to reindeer herding. In a sense we are the more original inhabitants of this land and on the other hand no.
@@ReasonAboveEverything those bows shot 90cm arrows from around 70lbs draw weight bows, Usually the traditonal finno-ugric two-wood (or three-wood) recurve was glued together from select pieces of spruce or pine and backed with sinew and Birch slats with siyah (horns) also made of wood -bird cherry was very popular, and then wrapped in boiled birch bark for additional stability and protection for the hide glue -the string was made from nettle fiber or horsehairs and the iron tipped arrows were often poisoned for added effect.
Lets not forget that the end of Viking era in Sweden was 1187, when the Swedish capital Sigtuna was burnt.
This is in said to be by pirates from the east in Swedish folklore.
At the same time the Finnish national epos Kalevala tells the story about how they crossed the sea and burnt the west.
I think it's strange that very few historians have research the correlation between these two stories.
Probably because the writing of Finnish history has been dominated by Swedes for so long that the most convenient conclusion of of the attack on Sigtuna 1187 was by "pirates" never mentioning the Finns.
Kallewala is Korea epos, not Finnish
@Kuso Korella isn't finnish. Another Fins is Korella slaves.
@Kuso Novgorods Slovens isn't Finnish.
@@adeptusmechanicus8100 Even if most of the runos compiled into the Kalevala were from the east and Karelian regions, we know for a fact those stories and legends also existed among western Finns, but sadly due to the Christian reformation, the Protestant Church demonized and banned runos in western Finland. There were even many witch hunts in western Finland during the 1500s and 1600s, which saw most of the convicted and killed people be men, since the traditional runo singers were male. Karelians weren't affected since they were mainly Orthodox, so the tradition lasted longer in the east. It's neither really, Finnish or Karelian specifically. It is a common shared cultural thing.
Also ancient Karelians were a founding Finnish tribe, same way as Finns Proper and Tavastians were. Even the Karelian language and the Finnish Karelian/Southeastern dialects spoken on the Karelian isthmus both originated from the ancient Karelian dialect of Northern Finnic, but their separation began after the treaty of Nöteborg in 1323 due to Karelian lands being divided between Novgorod and Sweden.
@@adeptusmechanicus8100 Lmao clown. Most of the poems are of West-Finnish origins. This can be seen in the language used + the place names, which all exist in Western Finland.
Menivät sitten röllimetsään.
"Jos metsään haluat mennä nyt, niin takuulla yllätyt..."
"what type of madness drove them to Fangorn"
Se kuuluisa aloittelijavirhe
Rajakylän röllimetsä
Interesting thing is that the forest has been the protector and the "church" of our people.. even to this day it's the place where we go to contemplate and relax. And for many invaders and foreigners our deep forests have been very scary places.. and so many other peoples have known us by some variation of "forest people".
Well said.
Yeah forest ppl that hate the creatures of the forest like wolfs. So dont tell me about forest ppl and i'am finn too.
@@MK-mf6oe You are a moron. Wolves are literally the only exception in all of Finnish tradition as an animal that is hated, and the reason they're hated is because they're invasive and attack livestock. Otherwise the forest is considered a safe haven, a temple.
@@finnicpatriot6399 And even this hatred on wolves was largely imported from Russia and Sweden in the 1800's.
Tradtionally there wasn't that much 'hatred' on wolves, in fact even in the 1850's the wolfhunters needed to be brought from central Russia because Finns had no tradition on hunting wolves.
@@finnicpatriot6399 Yeah, there's prolly a reason why the Norse mythology's big bad boi is a giantass wolf too, as those are a common problem across various northern areas (Nordic countries & Russia both had a serious problem w/ these types of things, after all)
Never knew us Finns back in the day scared the Vikings. Not many did.
We were largely written out of history until independence, and beyond.
You were the only ones winning against Russia. I'm not surprised
Have you not heard of how in the norse sagas it was written that finns, or kvens as they were then known, were inherent witches and wizards? They were seriously afraid to land here because according to their narration these witches could conjure earthen barriers and rise hills out of the earth, send tempests of snowfall, pour streaming rivers out of nowhere to cut armies off and summon winds to propel their ships on a calm weather or thunderstorms to capsize those of their enemies.
I think there were pretty clear instructions to stay the fuck away from those eldritch marshlands and not give the witches inhabiting it any reasons. Some Icelandic sagas tell that Sami warlocks (lapinnoidat) were able to transform into/possess whales and traverse all the way to Iceland to mess with them if wronged.
It's not widely discussed theme, but some sort of druidic natural sorcery tends to pop up almost every time in ancient mentions of finns.
I dont think that brave vikings were scared. Finns were not scared to ambush and attack intruders either. Hardy folk both. I guess it was just not worth the effort to fight finns who took their possessions, women and children ever deeper to forest or fortified hills and fought with tenacity. Monasteries on british coasts were the kind of targets that were the best for sea-raiders. Vikings took cities in Normandy, Sicily, Britain, Spain and many other places. Those places were more hospitable and wealthy. Finland was hostile, terrain difficult and loot was scarce and hard to get. If I had been a viking those days I too would have rather sailed to places were winegrapes grow ;)
sámi and kväner was two finnmark groups they had a fear and respect for
Wow, I found very interesting information: "The Oldest historical traces of conflicts in Finland are runestones GS 13 and U 582 which are dated to the early 11th century. Runestones are commemorating Vikings killed in Finland. Runestone G 319, which is dated to the early 13th century, also mentions Viking killed in Finland."
Vikings thought that the Finns can
command the nature because of different incidents like the case: "Olaf II of Norway is defeated by Finns "
"Olaf sailed to the southern coast of Finland sometime in 1008. The journey resulted in the Battle at Herdaler, where Olaf and his men were ambushed in the woods. Olaf lost many men but made it back to his boats. He ordered his ships to depart despite a riding storm. The Finns pursued them and made the same progress on land as Olaf and his men made on water."
"After this they sailed to Finland and plundered there, and went
up the country. All the people fled to the forest, and they had
emptied their houses of all household goods. The king went far
up the country, and through some woods, and came to some
dwellings in a valley called Herdaler, -- where, however, they
made but small booty, and saw no people; and as it was getting
late in the day, the king turned back to his ships. Now when
they came into the woods again people rushed upon them from all
quarters, and made a severe attack. The king told his men to
cover themselves with their shields, but before they got out of
the woods he lost many people, and many were wounded; but at
last, late in the evening, he got to the ships. The Finlanders
conjured up in the night, by their witchcraft, a dreadful storm
and bad weather on the sea; but the king ordered the anchors to
be weighed and sail hoisted, and beat off all night to the
outside of the land. The king's luck prevailed more than the
Finlanders' witchcraft; for he had the luck to beat round the
Balagard's side in the night. and so got out to sea. But the
Finnish army proceeded on land, making the same progress as the
king made with his ships. So says Sigvat: --
"The third fight was at Herdaler, where
The men of Finland met in war
The hero of the royal race,
With ringing sword-blades face to face.
Off Balagard's shore the waves
Ran hollow; but the sea-king saves
His hard-pressed ship, and gains the lee
Of the east coast through the wild sea."
Thank you for that.
Old Finnish spell to summon thunderstorm.
Annas Ukko, ummertasi,
siniviitta viimojasi,
miehen ainoan avuksi,
yksinäisen ympärille.
Pui, Ukko tulista riihtä,
säkeniä säykytteli,
tuli tuiski ikkunoista,
säkenet ovessa säykky.
Very liberal and bad translation:
Understand me Ukko (great God in finnish mythology, name Ukko also means old man).
Bluecape give me your winds,
to help sole man,
surround the lonely.
Thresh burning wheat old man,
spread burning embers,
fire out of windows,
embers on the doorway.
@@WhitecollarZombie Onko tämä Kalevalasta?
@@yamchathewolf7714 Pelle
@@finnicpatriot6399 Minä itse.
I always thought of the finns at this time being like wood elves, but a forest troll depiction also works i guess lol
Maybe there's another Finnic tribe that resembles wood elves... Stay tuned!
@@Anttimation ooooh creative o:
@@Anttimation If us swedes or norwegians were a fantasy/mythology creature. What would that be you think? Or perhaps you don't wanna share in chase that has some sort of spoiler territory
@@Surtur99 No spoilers, for this I only depict the Finnic tribes as fantasy/folklore creatures. But there are almost countless options for the Swedes/Norwegians: jötnar, dwarves, giants, gnomes, trolls (especially Norwegians)...
@@Anttimation Ok fair enough! Thx :))), now that i think about it early german tribes who fought the romans are kind of similar to the finns in the sense they are tribes living esentially in one huge forest and have a lot of superstition around them from outsiders. Both were probably very spooky to fight.
Peace and precious personal space.
Sums the Finland perfectly.
"Peace and precious personal space" - should be in a t-shirt somewhere. Perkele.
Great idea, might steal it!
This story about Finns reminds me of Curonians, a Baltic tribe that lived on the western parts of nowadays Lithuania and Latvia. Not only the Curonians withstood the invasions of Vikings, but also raided them back. There's even an inscription "God, save us from the plague, the fire and the Kurshi (Curonians)" on a Danish church, dated to the 11th-12th centuries.
I've read similar thing but I think it was carving in some church in Gotland.
Most likely true as it is not that far away from todays Latvia and Curonians did raids further than that.
@@spudeism Well, the same prayer was used in many Viking controled areas. So this could have been recorded in Gotland as well. The king of danes Sweyn II Estridsson ordered his fleet to protect the coast of Jutland from Curonians. That was XI century, the vikings were probably weaker at the time than Curonians and other Balts.
so that was after the viking age
meaning the Curonians were the pagans attacking the civilised christians in the west
Don't forget about Olaf II of Noways's invasion which almost ended the still young life of the upcoming most important king in the history of Norway.
@Sigvald Nielsen I'm saying he was the most important because he took the major push toward Norway becoming Christian something that would have most likely have taken longer without him taking that push even though he did not live to see the fruit of his labour.
@Sigvald Nielsen Yes but still many powerful jarls remained as pagans yet after Olav's attempts at converting them most eventually did after his death which is why In my opinion he was the most important king of Norway for the simple fact of how his actions influenced his countries centuries after his death.
@Sigvald Nielsen I never denied that they would have not converted without him I'm saying that thanks to him the conversion was a much faster process and thanks to him the following kings did not have to struggle as much with remaining pagans compared to him. Being an important king does not just mean leading armies and invading but making sure that your action influences the future of the country even after your passing. And also his efforts also help centralized the power that the king of Norway had which also helped the future kings a lot.
@Sigvald Nielsen Good work Sigvald! You know ouer history of Norden good! And how about the Island people? But now in the nordic countries we are wery much united against the enemy from the east! Greatings from Stockholm arcipelago!
This is my favourite stuff.
As a 3rd generation Finnish- and Norwegian-Canadian and "forest person" this is really hitting a lot of boxes for me.
Loving your videos, man!!
Great to hear, thanks!
This was a very flattering video. :)
Fantastic work!
Thank you!
This is a brilliant video!
Thanks!
Let me quote the Estonian archaeologist, Marika Mägi:
"Vikings are not an ethnicity. It refers to more like a profession or an activity where one would go on a crusade as a Viking. It is like the soldiers nowadays.
Vikings can be compared with the knights who, despite the location, shared the same values and code of ethics. There was no difference between the Italian and the German knights. Ethnicity did not play a role as much as the warrior’s social status.
The Viking influence reached the Baltic Finnic coastline in around the eighth century. The warriors adapted to the Scandinavian culture up to a point where it was almost impossible to distinguish them: the jewellery, weapons, ships, settlements, harbours…"
Depends on how one defines Vikings. To the general public they're usually Scandinavian, which excludes Finnic/Estonian Vikings. Should have jumped into the Viking wagon and we could cash in on them too.
@@Anttimation We do agree. It's true that the term "viking" is misused. Sadly. A better name would be needed. I for my part prefer the word "Northmen", as it refers to a people, communities, cultures, and not simply an activity. Also the "general public" could evolve, and the truth could be told, especially as the "general public" is wrong, and has been told fantasy stories for now 200 years.
@guest 1 of course it is a Scandinavian creation! At that time, Finns were a minority: there were like 1 Finn for 10 Scandinavians, of course they had to adapt to the majority. And they did it to a point of being part of that world. Keep in mind that modern days nationalities didnt exist during the viking era. There were no Swedes, Norvegians, Danish ... all references were made to a Jarl or a clan. And Finland (and Estonia btw) were not different to that.
@guest 1 Clown
Tafeistaland referred to at 1:00 could well be Tavastia. The Swedes difficulties in navigating an unfamiliar landscape contrasted sharply with the Finns intimate knowledge of it and their superior mobility, both harnessed to defend their erämaa.
This was really cool!🤘
Cheers!
Rölli-Peikko hoitaa hommat tässä tarinassa.
My theory is that Finland = Jotunheim.
Certainly a cool theory!
I believe more that is Turku and that area.
There lives peoples who has called jotuns.
Big size, rich and independent.
There has found many interesting thinks in Eura.
@@jakkeledin4645 Their language certainly is something only evil creatures would speak
@@jakkeledin4645 well, that was pretty much all Finland was back then. People started to move more inland after 1100 ad.
Wow! That's really wild! Great video! My ancestors come from Finland! It sounds pretty badass that the Vikings wouldn't mess with the Finns! Again, great video!
Thanks for watching! Your name sounds Finnish-based. Where are you from/based if I may ask?
@Antti Palosaari I love in America. Michigan. I was born in Michigan's Upper Pennisula, where many people of Finnish ancestry live, including the majority of my relatives! I was always told how, when my ancestors came to America how the people chose the Michigan's Upper Penninsula, places in Minnesota, Wisconson, and even Montana, to live because the land looked so much like Finland! My family, like many others, are proud of their Finnish heritage! Thank you for asking! Again, great video!
@@markknivila8383 That is very interesting! It must look beautiful there, then.
I have some very distant relatives in America, not sure where though, with the link dating back to over a century ago.
@@markknivila8383 have you checked little documentary about Minnesota Findians. Finnish refugees were put to same camps as Native Americans (search for ”Findians” google / youtube)
There is a chronicle that mentions Karelians pillaging the town of Sigtuna in 12th century. The largest town in Sweden at the time. Eventually leading to the founding of Stockholm as the old city was destroyed.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillage_of_Sigtuna
Thank you for the link
so that was after viking age
Strange, I was watching a document in which I found out that for burning Sigtuna were responsible Curonians and Saaremaa Estonians, Eric chronicles was given as the source.
In 1387 AD, Hversu Noregr byggðist ('How Norway was founded') is an account of the origin of various legendary Norwegian lineages. It too traces the descendants of the primeval Finnish ruler Fornjotr back through Nór and his siblings, Góí and Gór; Nór being here the eponym and first great king of Norway, and then gives details of the descendants of Nór and of his brother Gór in the following section known as the Ættartölur ('Genealogies', a.k.a. Fundinn Noregr, 'Founding of Norway'). The Hversu account is closely paralleled by the opening of the Orkneyinga saga.
The 'genealogies' also claim that many heroic families famed in Scandinavian tradition but not located in Norway were of a Finn-Kven stock, mostly sprung from Nór's great-grandson Halfdan the Old. Almost all the lineages sprung from Halfdan are then shown to reconvert in the person of Harald Fairhair, the first king of "all Norway". This information can be confirmed in other sources.
The Finns were protected by the forest spirits and the imagerie in this video couldn't be far-fetched
0:39 thats my great great granddad
I tried to capture him as best as I could. Glad you were able to recognize him.
As a troll from eastern finlands forests who's lived for a millenia, can confirm. Would someone like to help me make a new club? This old one is just about done.
You've bashed too many skulls with it mate
Yea that is also a problem when you start to travel outside of Finland and live among all these strange people - very hard to find good clubs. Never mind the lack of civilization - no true saunas anywhere.
Some viking raiders "By the beard of Thor, run I hear Perkele!"
Haha, yes!
Sometimes after the Vikings, the soldiers of the rulers were afraid of the forests so that they did not dare to go there. Some of the daredevils had returned dragged by horse, horribly ruined. It looked like the devil himself had done it they was said.
Not a hospitable environment, the Finnish forest.
Ja sitte vielä nää ynglingit ja muut suvut jota pidetään viikinkien sankarisukuina
Snorri Sturluson hints at a less divine origin in Skáldskaparmál for this dynasty: One war-king was named Skelfir; and his house is called the House of Skilfings: his kindred is in the Eastern Land. In the 13th century, the official Swedish/Scandinavian term for the modern-day Southern Finland was "Eastern Land", Österland, i.e. the eastern half of Sweden at the time.
In Ynglinga Saga in 1220 AD, Snorri Sturluson discusses marriages between Swedish and Finnish royal families. In 1220 AD (c.), in the Skáldskaparmál section of Edda, Sturluson discusses King Halfdan the Old, Nór's great-grandson, and nine of his sons who are the forefathers of various royal lineages, including "Yngvi, from whom the Ynglings are descended". According to Orkneyinga Saga in 1230 AD, Nór founded Norway. He was a direct descendant of Fornjótr, the King of "Gotland, Kvenland and Finnland". Many Scandinavian historians name Halfdan the Old as an ancestor to Rollo, the Viking conqueror who founded Normandy and took the name Robert I (the first) after converting to Christianity. He was William the Conqueror's great-great-great-grandfather.
In 1387 AD, Hversu Noregr byggðist ('How Norway was founded') is an account of the origin of various legendary Norwegian lineages. It too traces the descendants of the primeval Finnish ruler Fornjotr back through Nór and his siblings, Góí and Gór; Nór being here the eponym and first great king of Norway, and then gives details of the descendants of Nór and of his brother Gór in the following section known as the Ættartölur ('Genealogies', a.k.a. Fundinn Noregr, 'Founding of Norway'). The Hversu account is closely paralleled by the opening of the Orkneyinga saga.
The 'genealogies' also claim that many heroic families famed in Scandinavian tradition but not located in Norway were of a Finn-Kven stock, mostly sprung from Nór's great-grandson Halfdan the Old. Almost all the lineages sprung from Halfdan are then shown to reconvert in the person of Harald Fairhair, the first king of "all Norway". This information can be confirmed in other sources.
No matter how jävla you are - you never mess around with someone armed to the teeth with perkele...!
A good rule of thumb for life
Maybe Väinämöinen sang vikings to the depths of the swamp. Someone should make a movie of it,Marco Hietala would be excellent actor to Väinämöinen's role.
Quite possibly he did... Yeah, every now an then there's talks of a Kalevala film but nothing noteworthy has come out in a long time.
Ooooooohhhh....No, we need it to Netflix!!!
Aahh, it would be quite weird tale and violent...I do not know if the world is ready for us! 😁
There is a good movie from 1959 called Sampo with Urho Somersalmi as Väinämöinen.
We finns are such a beautiful folk 😌.
Once I listened a Loituma band song I couldn't find again. That song was magical war song of Finland language. The only one of its kind I've ever heard. All Loituma songs are usually finnish country music, beautiful and joyoys. But this one was spouting-singing curses in a voice of a strong forest witch, if you will, singing the spirits of the enemy back to the bottom of the swamp. I would love to find this song again.
Damn! Doesn't sound familiar but sure as hell would like to hear that as well.
Great art
Really makes me want to watch Dwarf Fortress videos
As a matter of fact there is a Viking runestone in Vöyri, Southern Ostrobothnia for example - so that's not quite true. They didn't have to invade Finland, because their path lead from Russian soil through Finland to other northern countries (Island, Norway, Denmark) in the first place. That is how they started conquering those countries.
Vikings never or very seldom conquered anything, they attacked took what they wanted ( or traded) , and then left the scenery.
Where in vöyri, live very closw but never heard about that?
@@rasmussyrjala1370 Höysälän kaiverrus sijaitsee noin 3,5 kilometriä kahdesta muusta kaiverruksesta koilliseen pienen Höysälänjärven eteläpuolella. Korkean kallion laella sijaitsevaan kahden kiven muodostamaan pystyseinäiseen nurkkaukseen on hakattu viikinkilaivaa esittävä kuva sekä kahdeksan riimua.[10] Kirjoitus on hakattu suojaiseen kallion syvennykseen noin 40 senttimetrin korkeudelle.[10] Kirjoitusta on noin 70 senttimetrinn pituisella alueella.[10]
Venekuvio on puolestaan 48 senttimetriä riimujen yläpuolella.[10] Veneen esiintyminen riimujen yhteydessä ei ole kovinkaan yleistä, vaikka tällaisia löytöjä onkin tehty.[10] Merkillistä on se, että ajallisesti kovin kaukana olevat pronssikautisten kalliopiirrosten veneet ovat lähempänä Vöyrin venettä kuin viikinkiajan riimujen venekuviot.
Lähde: Wikiwand www.wikiwand.com/fi/Riimukivi
I've seen people so frequently, deliberately or by an honest mistake, confuse the Finns mentioned in the Old Norse sagas as modern day Finns and not the Sámi. Sámi people are mentioned many times in the sagas and they seemed to be suprisingly large player in the fur trade and other trade networks, as well as cultural exhanges between the Old Norse, as they valued their animistic practices and the shamans that they had. At first even missionaries were forbidden to go do their work in the north, but eventually all the vikings became christians and after that the attitude towards the Sámi shamanism seemed to change among them. You can clearly see a history in their sagas, when they first respected the Sámi shamans but then begin to despise them and laugh at their superstitions. There's also plenty of loanwords between old norse and languages that the Sámi speak, as an solid evidence of these interactions. There's also archeological evidence of Sámi artifacts and Sámi burial sites found in Sweden and Norway.
It's not 100% clear when it is the Sami or Finns from Finland being mentioned. Finn was indeed a term used for the Sami by groups such as the Norwegians, but on the other hand from what we know, the Sami largely lived off of hunting and fishing and that would not have sustained a large population, which would have meant that large scale war wouldn't have been common due to the lack of manpower. Finns as in Finnish people on the other hand lived primarily off of farming in the fertile pockets of arable land in southern Finland and had a much more developed social structure as well as more densely populated villages. This would have meant that Finns had the capability to raise larger groups of warriors for larger wars between themselves and outsiders like Scandinavians. It is also likely that the Finns of the viking age were more warlike than the Sami due to cultural influences from the Germanic and Baltic people. Even the Finnic word "sota" meaning "war" was borrowed into some Sami languages from Finnish, which does point to conflict going from Finns to the Sami and not the other way around. Southern Finland is also littered with remains of ancient hillforts used as both power centers for local rulers and as defensive structures during times of war by the Finns. Some were built before the viking age, some during it and some during the period where Sweden started making inroads into Finland after the viking age. Many of them however fall into the viking age and earlier periods. The Finnish hierarchy and social structure would have resembled something familiar to that of the Scandinavians with local rulers of communities with varying power going around calling themselves "kuningas". The Sami, from what we know, did not really have this kind of societal organization because it simply wouldn't have made sense for their way of life. This is why I am sceptical in the "finnkonungr" of the sagas being exclusively Sami.
For some reasons, having Finns represented as trolls, does not offend me.
Nor is it meant to. Laughing at ourselves a little is healthy.
This makes me happy in so many new ways
Excellent haha. Happy to see this dumbass video from three years ago still reaches people.
Ah... No Wonder i have an urge to make big clubs..... I am a fokken troll
Hand over yer cheese >_>
I've felt that urge too, you ever see a nice, heavy table leg and thought "I need that, I should have brought a saw!"?
Might be interesting to mention that Finland (as seen in the earliest sources) refers to what today would be Varsinaissuomi, so not the whole geographical area which today is Finland, but only parts around modern Turku. Then you had Tavastland, Nyland and so on. After the Swedish settlement, an area of approx. half of modern Finland (leaving out Lapland and parts of the middle of today's Finland) came to be known as Österland (The eastern land) since it was east of Sweden, similar to how Nyland was named because in Swedish it means a "new land", ie a new place where to settle. There exists no sources saying that Finland (in the original Varsinaissuomi meaning) would have been a state of any kind, most probably it was just the name of the area where multiple smaller societies existed. Finland basically slowly becomes a political unit ca 13th, 14th century when you start getting things like "lagman" for Finland (a sort of judicial authority). So funnily enough Finland could not be invaded by the Vikings, for to be invaded it had to be some sort of state, which it wasn't. Or then then maybe the people of Turku smelled bad and the vikings did not want to invade specifically them, who knows... I have no idea if this tidbit is of interest to anyone, but there you go. For sources on this (if you read Finnish or Swedish or know someone who does), check for instance Tarkiainen, Kari, fi. "Ruotsin Itämaa. Esihistoriasta Kustaa Vaasaan" sv. "Sveriges Österland. Från forntiden till Gustav Vasa", 2008. It is a three volume overview of the history of Finland which is more rigorous than most I've read so far. The second part written by Nils Erik Villstrand also has a very good chapter on the different names of the area that is modern Finland. For you English speakers out there, I know that Jason Lavery has written a history of Finland (Lavery, Jason, "The History of Finland", 2006). Have not read it myself, however, so do not know how good it is, but surely worth a read if you can get your hands on it! P.S. I know the video is fictional, but the way people use the term Finland for different periods of historical time is interesting, so I was compelled to point it out.
The Tarkiainen book seems interesting, however with a quick Google search maybe a bit difficult to get one's hands on.
When it comes to the name of Finland, spot on, but for a video title "Why Vikings never invaded an area of land inhabited by Finnic tribes, parts of which compose modern day Finland" would have been too long.
@@Anttimation Aye, that would have been one boring tongue twister of title!
I would like to dispute claim that there wad no government. Novgorod Chronicles claim multiple large military operations which implies a government in Finland. But government form may not have been usual feudal type. Tribal Council (käräjät) is a likely contender for the government form.
As you said there wasn't unified single government but split to tribes. But same was true for Sweden where we can write more written records from the time period.
@@suokkos humans are very hierarchical creatures. Someone is always in a position of power. Whether that is considered a government in this context depends on what one means by government, I guess.
@@suokkos Hey, sorry for a late reply, didn't notice yours earlier! I could agree that there is the possibility of smaller sized governing bodies wherever you have human activity. My point is more specifically that you do not have a singular governing body over something called Finland; sorry if I expressed that unclearly. I will say that the Novogorod chronicles is not my area of expertise, but after having a look at them, I would say they are difficult as a source. By this I mean that I don't think at least I would make any claims based on them without having studied them for years with professional training. Because obviously getting the correct and original information would first of all require one to be able to read it in the originial language, a skill I definitely do not possess. I did find an English translation from 1914, but it is of course inferior. Anyway, to the problematics of using the text as a source. For instance: there isn't one, definitive author as it is a rather long account. This means that we cannot be completely sure what the intentions behind the source is (or at least not if we are not experts on it). Also, it's written from a specifically Novgorodian perspective which makes the narrative prone to partisanship (so it would, for instance, be in the best interest of the author(s) to make all enemies seem great and difficult to defeat because it increases the worth of the victory for the Novgorodians. Ergo, large military operations to Finland can be greatly exaggerated). Furthermore, a large part of the chronicles (the whole text goes from 1016 to 1471) are written down during the years when there already is basic Swedish governance in Finland, so most of it can't be used to debate points about the viking era anyway.
I'm sorry for the perhaps unnecessarily long answer, but it is a fascinating subject. Thanks for your reply!
Strange though that as soon as vikings hit the movies and tv shows they speak perfect american. Give them hell in the junior hockey games. Go Finland
Haha, true. There's a short film on the Grimfrost channel with expertly recreated old Norse dialogue.
Thanks for watching!
Finnish chosen son here. Our ancestors are NO JOKE.
Kvenland aka Kajaniland or Kainuunkylä! Greets from Pajari/Boyar norse of Ruriks of Sweden to our Finns lol
Lmao when Finns were described as trolls. 😂
I've heard they were too scared because of the joulupukki (santaclaus).
Well he was bad ass before all the modern changes to his profession. Wonder if he gets bored by the new rules often.
"Precious personal space." Ha! Wow!!
Jos metsään mennä tahdot nyt, niin takuulla yllätyt...
Lisää näitä perkeleen videoita! Ja hienot kuvat videossa! oletko itse piirtänyt vai mistä varastanut ;)
Kiitos! Tekeillä olevasta Trolled-sarjakuvastani varastin.
Pari seuraavaa videota on kirjoitettuna, lähiaikoina pusken ulos.
@@Anttimation cool man! Tuun seuraamaan äijän kanavaa!
Karle was a Viking leader. We have Karle-by and Nykarle-by in Finland. By is city in Norway. I have understand that we lived in Archangelsk to 1200 and 1446 we where in Kaustinen. There is a gap of +200 years.
I shared this on Facebook, I just started there.
Thank you! 🙌
My most loved video by the algorithm, for some strange reason.
@@Anttimation I think it's the word Viking, In some occult groups, some claim that the Vikings are Muslim descendants...
Welcome to Rosala viking center in Hiittinen in Finland!
I really need to visit one day! Well, can be more than one day.
Se on kyllä pirun jännä funtsia kuinka viikingit ei meinannu pelätä ketään tai mitään, mutta Suomalaiset ja meidän metsät oli heillekin pelottava kombo Olaf II:n reissun jälkeen.
”Jos metsään haluat mennä nyt, niin takuulla yllätyt...” 😂
@Carl Von Finland Totta! Täten sisemmässä maassa elelleet Suomalaiset pystyivätkin elää varsin rauhassa mitä noihin Suomen alueen ulkopuolisiin uhkiin tuli tuohon aikaan.
Suomen vanhimmat kaupungit ovat viikinkien perustamia esim. Turku ja Porvoo.. syy miks ne ei metsiin eksynyt oli se että ei ollu tarvetta. Kun kauppareitit kulki rannikkoa pitkin
@@TheFredson87 vitut!
Porvoon perusti Hämeen valtakunta joka oli silloin paljon nykyistä suurempi.
@@jakkeledin4645 mitäköhän se Borg å ja borg backen sitten on ja mikä sen kukkulan päällä oli? Siis ennen kuin kaupunki perustettiin? Ja Tavastland, en muista että se yltyi tänne niin etelään?
@@TheFredson87 Arkeologia kertoo että asutusta on ollut jo kauan ennen ruotsin vallan aikaa ja nimi turkukin on baltoslaavista alkuperää. Ja kummankin kaupungin läheisyydessä on muinaislinnat ja vanhin paikannimistö kiistatta suomalaista.
Look. Such a nice indigenous people.
Few minutes later. Run for your lives..
Kinda explains my tendencies to be troll-like
Hmm täälll toinen Palosaari, miten näin monta on täällä :)
No niin! Tampereen seudulla ei kyllä ikinä tule vastaan.
Idk if he said it in the video but ragnar lodbroks first wife lagertha died to a finnish archer
Vikings founded Russia 1200 years ago.
No wonder either of those couldn’t conquer Finland.
Finland was not Finland by that time and had nothing to offer compared to rich countrys like England, France etc etc so why bother to invade a area of land that had nothing to offer?
Besides...the Finns was allready paying tribute ( tax) to Swedish and Norwegian vikings.
@Björn Nylander Two sentences are rarely completely accurate, when it comes to a history of nations. Anyhow, it is infinite more accurate than your comment on the matter ;)
@@bjornnylander8754 Your comment was funny; in era of vikings, finns definitely did not pay tributes to Sweden - because Sweden did not even exist. As you mentioned Finland did not exist either - but the e.g. Karelian (karjalaiset) and Tavastian (hämäläiset) people lived in the area that is now Finland.
@ZeOverman Sorry, I mistakenly send you a reply that was aimed at Björn. Fixed it. Your comment was correct :)
Even Swedish historian think nowadays that vikings was never go Bysant without Finns.
Finns has travel that trip many times before.
Even Tacitus text tell that. Read it what men from North do when he came in harbour.
Kyllä jämpti on niin jumalauta.
i read (might be wrong) that the fins didnt have to many people and villages by the coast and the vikings didnt like to lose the sight of theyre ships and it was to easy to get ambushed in the forest so it wasnt worth the risk.
Finland had not much to offer and travelling long distances on land to finally get to a place worth raiding took way to long time and yes, the risk of ambush made it not worth the effort.
Vikings didnt like to get to far from their ships.
@@bjornnylander8754 This is not true, Many places in Finland were very wealthy in The 800s
mistä noi kuvat on?
Piirtämästäni Trolled-sarjakuvasta.
Maybe they considered the expansin of Karl Martell and Charlemagne a reason to put fear into other places than their neighbours? Verden 782 Charlemagne, that might be an incentive`?
In a turn of events a famous Viking was of Finnic origin.
Who?
@@Anttimation rurik. Which many suggest a Finnic rather than Norse origin. Which is a distinct possibility.
If there are other examples I can't think of any
@@Anttimation I have heard many what is now Estonians and Finns were viking by profession. Just can't say who
@@noahtylerpritchett2682 absolutely. More Viking age swords have been found (per capita) in Finland than anywhere in Scandinavia.
@@Anttimation probably because Vikings weren't keen on slaughtering Norse Clans.
Meidän aikani koulussa opetettiin että Suomi kuuluu Skandinaviaan. Parikymmentä vuotta meni ennenkö opin ettemme oikeasti kuulukkaan ainakaan täällä Tampereen seudulla.
Oho! Laajalle levinnyt harhakäsitys kyllä, aina saa ulkomaalaisille selittää, ettei Suomi (pl. pohjoisin Lappi) ole Skandinaviaa.
Love you're work man
Pretty cool history there. Every time my dad stubbed his toe or hit his finger he would say saatana perkele
Keep the tradition alive! :D
@@Anttimation I'm full blood sami Finn. Think of the noaidi possibly the haltaja or teitaja on both sides I think or I should say I know.
Vikings feared the Finns because of their "witchcraft" and bought good sailing weathers from them. Vikings tried to raid Finland but the Finns got legendary after the most legendary Viking King Haraldson lost the battle (because of the Finnish "Witchcraft"). This is from their own Saga: the Battle at Herdaler: "...The Finlanders
conjured up in the night, by their witchcraft, a dreadful storm
and bad weather on the sea; but the king ordered the anchors to
be weighed and sail hoisted, and beat off all night to the
outside of the land.". Famous king lost the battle, barely survived and never attacked Finland again.
Indeed an interesting saga. How much is real events vs author's imagination, who knows.
@@Anttimation the Battle at Heradler is a real event, Haraldson lost there and almost died but the witchcraft is obviously just some imagination of the vikings (tough luck with the weather + the viking legends of the Finnish tribes controlling the weather propably caused those false conclusions). It's was known some vikings bought good sailing weather from the Finns before they went to raid.
Kainuun kuningas was the origin Lord of Pohjola.
Also we did trade and were hired as merceneries for raids. its known
0:10 big "guys" lol
I recognise them by their eyebrows!
WHY AREN'T THE FINS CONSIDERED VIKINGS THEMSELVES ?
WHY SHOULD I HAVING FINISH HERITAGE NOT BE BOTH ?
I'd say that's because when Vikings were popularized around the turn of the 19th/20th century, Finland was not yet independent and thus unable to capitalize on it. I have a more in-depth video of the Finnish viking age here:
ruclips.net/video/o02op1OHwGM/видео.html
kielemme on hemmetin vaikeata. Mutta me pidetään siitä just sellaisinaan. Ei vakoojat pääse yllättää!
why the heck are the finnish people trolls in these drawings
Because the video is an introduction to Trolled, my comic set in the early Middle Ages, where Finnish people are trolls and gnomes.
@@Anttimation sounds promising! Where is this going to be seen? Is the mythology / god pantheon going to play a part?
@@Vulcaani Thank you! It will be out next year - I will be posting here on RUclips and Instagram ( instagram.com/palosaariart ). The mythology will play a big part, with a trollish twist. The first story arc is based on the mythical First Swedish Crusade.
@Carl Von Finland wdym?
Trolls? Why are you calling us Trolls? A little hair and a funky nose never made anyone a troll. I am deeply offended by your words.
During the Viking Age (793-1066 AD) there were several conflicts between Finland and Scandinavia:
* 9th century: Kvens raid Sweden
* 9th century: Mythological king Eric Anundsson makes campaigns to East (Finland, Kirjalaland, Courland, Estonia etc.)
* c. 818: Finnish king Matul supports Bjarms against Danish king Ragnar Lodbrok
* 11th century: Viking raid to Tavastia, lead by Freygeirr
* 1008: Battle at Herdaler (possibly present-day town of Inkoo) where King Olaf II of Norway was defeated by Finns
* c. 1030-1050: Viking raid to Finland
* 1042: Vladimir Yaroslavich (Prince of Novgorod) makes expedition against Finns. Vladimir Yaroslavich was the son of Yaroslav I the Wise of Kiev and Ingegerd Olofsdotter of Sweden, daughter of king Olof Skötkonung of Sweden.
@⌘ Hyperborean Bard ⌘ , mitä lisäisit tuohon listaan?
"A land so fucking dark..." You have my full attention sir!
Vuotta?
1500?
1400?
Kiitos Antti.
kaunista
It's weird to think the Norse saw any value in such a place. The vikings seldom came to stay after they were done pillaging, and the Finns probably weren't knee deep in riches. In my mind it makes perfect sense to send a levy there to see what's up, and to ignore it if the riches were pale.
The vikings failed in many places, but always returned to satisfy their greedy needs.
Perhaps Finland did not satisfy those needs.
This video is, as slightly suggested by the visuals, a joke. Norse/Swedes did do business and probably formed alliances with Finnic tribes and occasionally looted as well, although sometimes failing.
"why Vikings never invaded Finland" ?
Erik Bloodaxe raided Finland.
Olaf Haraldsson raided Finland
(event is called; Battle of Herdaler).
Thorkell the Tall raided Finland.
Now you know the name of three Vikings who did that.
Thanks for the names. However, none of them are known to have established rule in (modern day) Finland, that's why I say "never invaded".
Hauska kertomus. Hienot piirrokset👍
Kiitos!
Nokias. Finns started bludgeoning Vikings with Nokias
Ma visto che la lingua non è di ceppo indoeuropeo come il resto dell' Europa, da dove vengono i finlandesi?
Uralic language like Estonian and Hungarian. Genetically Finns are related to neighboring peoples in Europe.
Walked straight into Mordor's goblins?
Finns. You have to look closer!
Because it was a land so fucking dark and cold ahhaha
Our National animal should be Honey Badger !
Even (some) woman had Swords in Finland 1000y ago en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suontaka_sword
(Btw - much later during 30y war there is written documents saying that Finns in the Swedish army had sharpening stones hanging on the belts. And when there was the time to attack, they started same time to sharpen their swords and it was somehow very different to all other troops in the battle field. Just sharpening quietly and the same time like going to work, which they were doing. Also they did not use fancy clothes, but very sworn ones. Perhaps they tought that they are going to work and clothes needs to be work cothing.
That sword and its ornaments, one of the prettiest in my opinion.
Also that 30-year war insight is interesting. Fits well with the idea that the Finnish soldiers were quiet in battle which was unusual and terrifying for the enemy.
And if I draw a loose link to my experiences living in the UK the past couple of years, the same still applies. We do our job, no bragging, no bullshit.
I remembered a description which I just had to find about hackapells.
'“Our [Finnish] Hakkapelites cannot have been any sort of fine representatives. I should mention a parade of the Gustaf Adolf troops in the Thirty Years’ War, while the king still lived. At first went the blue, yellow, green etc. mercenaries of the regiment in their flashy gear. Then came, clothed so-so, bridles and baldricks repaired with birch bark and cord, legs hanging from the backs of their small, shaggy horses, cutlasses dragging on the ground, a troop of hollow-cheeked but stern-eyed men. When the Dutch ambassador inquired who they were, the last rider, a fat German Quartermaster [kuormastovääpeli] in charge of the cargo proudly replied “The royal Life Guards: Finnish, pärkkele!”'
Well there is more to that person than just being a 'woman'. I think she/he had a genetic condition to make the gender a bit of a harder to determine a feature. But I'll say this - someone come to bother my dad or mother - it does not matter that I am a woman and and even have bit difficulty to move due injury - I am not going to take that laying down. I gather that even us women would have attempted to defend our own, weather we were expected to or not. I am obviously over 45 by now, and don't have kids - but what short of mother would not attempt to also defend her children. It was hard times back then for sure and so I would not be surprised if the women too would have been prepared to do what is necessary. There is even a viking saga about a Finnish woman who killed the Viking king who took her and some of her people - and then they sailed back to Finland on his boat.
My guess is that at the time there werent that much value there. Just forests.
There were valuables - more swords than anywhere (compared to the size of the population) and people to enslave. The land was hard to navigate though, and well organized for defense, so it was usually not deemed worth the effort.
Ya'll should take a moment and read the book 'Fibula, Fabula, Fact - The Viking Age in Finland'. Then you'll understand that most people grossly oversimplify this age and what happened in that time.
Thanks for the suggestion 👍
ai ok kiva suomalaiset mainittu jo silloin geeneiltään vialla oleviksi peikoiksi
Geeneiltään ylivertaisiksi*
@@Anttimation mitä ne ruotsalaiset rotututkimukset sitten olivat joissa suomalaisia pidettiin alempiarvoisempina kuule kyllä hurrit on aina pitänyt suomalaisia alempi rptuisena kansana
Ihan maaottelu hengessä vedettiin silloin jo sveduja pataan.
Mutta miksi englannin kielellä?
Että ymmärtää muutkin.
@@Anttimation Jag rekommenderar nog Svenska, om man talar om Vikinger, eller vielleicht etwas anderes germanisches Sprache, jos ei suomea häpeä kirjoitella. Ehkä venäjä.
Ja tuskin englanninkielisiä kiinnostaa mitkään Suomen muinaishistoriat! Pistä van molemmilla kotimaisilla tai sitten saksaksi tai venäjäksi, kun sieltä tahoilta varmaankin löytyy enemmän kiinnostuneita.
@@kaiheltola921 Suuremmalle osalle potentiaalisesta yleisöstä englanninkielisestä videosta on vähemmän vaivaa kuin minulle tämän vääntämisestä ruotsiksi tai saksaksi.
@@Anttimation Ok. Tiukka asenne, jos kuitenkin olet hissassa jatko-opintovaiheessa! En tunne yliopistoasi, mutta kyllä kuitenkin noi viikinkitutkimukset menee yleensä näillä lähemmillä germaanikielillä, ja toki itäretket venäjäksi. Englanninkieliset tekstit lienevät lähinnä uudempaa käännöstä?
Enjoyed peace and precious personal space! LMAO
Something we greatly value.
@@Anttimation Indeed!
We finns really have a hard time during this pandemic, 2 m social distance when we really need (at least) 5 m!!!
That's it?
Well this is a short, humorous video. For more info see this:
ruclips.net/video/o02op1OHwGM/видео.htmlsi=ZBNMyLHB8sq1OLLo
So thats really what we looked like eh?
No photos survive from the period. It's open to interpretation :D
maybe someone can figure out why Turku name originates from slavic word for market place
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turku#Names_and_etymology
Market place/square in Swedish = Torg
@@VortechBand also from slavic en.wiktionary.org/wiki/torg#Swedish
the funny thing is, inside Turku, there is a marketplace - tori, which comes from swedish torg
but Turku itself ofcourse is not called Tori...
@@janezzmavec1803 The Finnish wikipedia article says the name is believed to come from the Old East Slavic word tǔrgǔ, which came through merchants arriving from Novgorod region sometime in the 1200's: fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turku#Nimen_alkuper%C3%A4