hoever people say "huawei" on the internet, that isn't the correct pronunciation unless you're saying something like hoo-aah-wai, then you're basically correct. certainly isn't hwa-way lol.
I hate people who treat VR like a guarded wall like you have to have the best or nothing. I have an index, but I always say if you want to experience VR you're not missing a ton if you go for a Windows mixed reality headset it is still an amazing experience.
Have you been to a vrcade? After going there i have forever felt like my psvr couldnt compare. Haptic suits physical objects, smells, and temperature being in a vr game blew my mind
Bradley Unknown after i get an ho reverb g2 i plan on never touching a psvr ever again. Thw absolute worst thing about the psvr (tracking is the 2nd worst) is the resolution. I’ve been able to ignore it for 20 seconds tops before i notice it again. It is damn near impossible to get immersed in this stupid thing with its dogshit tracking and garbage resolution. I cannot wait to get a good headset with 4.5 times the resolution per eye and it will be even better after i get valve index controllers for it. Plus with a pc rec room will look much better and won’t crash or freeze, and i can actually play the games im interested in on the oculus store and steamvr because the only games on psvr I actually regularly play are rec room and beat saber and i really want to get into games like vrchat, pavlov, echo arena (both modes), robo recall, onward, no mans sky, half life alyx, modded beat saber, and countless other games.
You're telling me. Ive been keeping up with vr since the original oculus dk1 came out and youtubers all over played with it, got a Google cardboard in 2016 and it was a fun little play thing. Then i got my psvr and loved the heck out of it, though now that I have an oculus quest, I feel a bit disenchanted with the psvr. But i hear psvr 2 for the ps5 is gonna have inside out tracking. With the tracking of the original psvr there was so much of a room you just couldnt use, but now with my quest i can go anywhere and do anything, doubly so since i can download all sorts of community made stuff and make my own stuff on there, there was time when i was excited for dreams vr, but its too little too late in my opinion, at least for me, i wanted to use it as a vr modeling tool, maybe make some stuff with it, but thats been years since then, i was first getting my cardboard headset when they teased it, and now, now i can make whatever i want with my quest. Ah well. One thing i can tell you, with the quest and inside out tracking, it can really make the most of a small space.
just buyed a used oculus quest for 200$ i was in fear for shitty hardware, i was wrong... it was mindblowing first time with vr on oculus quest, loved it
Honestly "afraid of investing in a subpar experience" is definitely the dominant opinion I've seen from people hesitant to jump into VR. I'm saving up for the Index but I'm a bit of a perfectionist so I definitely wouldn't expect everyone to agree with me
I'm also a perfectionist and I've bought WMR's Samsung Oddyssey, to which I have to say that I'm pretty satisfied with my decision, playing VR games is really fun, but everytime I launch a VR game I have a feeling of "what if"
299 for a quest 2 with a higher resolution than the index. I mean, it compromises in other ways but, seriously, the index is a really hard price to swallow considering the only real benefit you get out of it, now, is better tracking.
@@christophervance7080 All I use is Steam, and since most VR games are on Steam it just makes more sense for me to get the steam VR set. Technically, investing in any kind of VR is being "an easy consumer slave" because you don't need to pay for entertainment. Just could just as easily not play VR or invest $200+ on a headset and go out and kick a ball or something lmao
@@christophervance7080 Noone ever tried the Reverb G2 aside from the select few that HP has chosen. How can you know it's so amazing? Also buying a headset from Facebook? No thanks, I'd rather take my chances anywhere else.
I was one of those "it's either Index or nothing". Now I really intend to buy a WMR device and dig into VR. Thank you very much, Philip, for clearing things up for us!
From what I understand the Samsung Odyssey+ is the best of the WMR headsets. I recently picked up the HP version for super cheap but there's no controllers and apparently they're impossible to find since they aren't made anymore so it can only be used for games with gamepad support.
top tip for wmr users: about every year or whenever it gets noticeably bad, you'll want to disassemble your controllers and clean the battery contacts or your controllers will think that the batteries are low/flat if they actually aren't
here's another tip, if you ever get loud static in your headphones randomly, get a powered USB 3 hub. it's a bug with the Realtek audio chip that Microsoft never cared to fix. I personally just got a Logitech G230 headset that has a really long cable and coiled it along the explorer's cable. You can go into the Windows Mixed Reality for SteamVR settings file and change how reprojection is handled. I myself leave it on because Microsoft's repor is actually really freakin good. You can set the desktop control switching to manual mode. so your mouse and keyboard dont get taken over when you put on the headset. this is where I get into the funny part. So, around Q2 2019, my proximity sensor stopped working. I tried multiple builds of Windows 10 on multiple computers. and it seems to have happened after a firmware update. and to add insult to injury. I thought, okay, its a hardware issue since it happens on all computers on all builds. So I sent it in for RMA, a week before the end of warranty lol. Got a brand new unit in the mail. plug it in. MR Portal says its installing a firmware update. SAME FUCKING ISSUE. RUINED. The headset is still perfectly usable for SteamVR. but I had to disable pause rendering when headset is idle. and had to set the wmr idle time out duration to many hours in the windows registry. because it thinks Im never wearing it. but the MR Cliffhouse is scuffed because the keyboard wont show up if the headset isnt on your head.
I've noticed that the higher the articulate, the higher the 'hick-ups'. I've found that it's because the whole brain isn't exactly synchronize with its self, meaning; the faster a part of the brain: the wider the margin of error (non synchronicity) to the other parts. Errors will enlarge. If this man were on TV then the producers would fix it with an edit...'as they have had to do with other articulates'. Great video, I mean, "Great". I'm sure we could'nt do a vid nearly as close to clear as this.
Massive respect on the connectivity bit - both you for mentioning it, and them for pulling it off. I gotta tell you - I didn't expect it any other way, and am a bit disappointed the Index needs an external PSU and uses DP.
I'm disappointed on the opposite, that it uses HDMI. My GPU doesn't have two HDMI out ports, so if I wanna have my display AND my VR headset plugged in at the same time, I need an HDMI splitter or a HDMI to DP converter.
A good "hack" for the Lenovo Explorer is switching the headband that goes on your forehead, with the headband that's on the back of the device. It puts your face closer to your screen and sort of forces a higher FOV. It worked great for me and improved my experiences a lot. I got my Lenovo Explorer for only €180, which is a bargain compared to the other headsets, and the price you'll have to pay for that is fiddling with the Mixed Reality software and making same DIY hacks on the headset for better comfort. But imo, this headset is superrrrr comfortable because of the low weight, and the good and soft pad. I'm lucky my nose fits in the hole, and because of this, I found this headset more comfortable that the Oculus Rift (S), haven't tried the Index tho. Also if the pad doesn't fit your nose or isn't comfortable, you can buy a €20 pad from VRcover that is more comfortable or buy a premium thick Vive pad, which fits kind of awkwardly but still fits and really blocks out ALL the light. A lot of the Lenovo Explorer shortcomings are fixed with some DIY hacks is what I'm pointing at (except for the crappy software sadly). Another tip is: Good rechargable batteries are expensive, but you can get the LADDA batteries from IKEA which are like the "Premium" Eneloop batteries. The LADDA cost only 6 per 4 pack, while the Eneloops go up to 30, and the catch is that they are both made in the same factory, meaning they are essentially the same battery. Beware though, the Lenovo Explorer is pretty much one of the top 3 Windows Mixed Reality devices, and the other ones from HP and Acer aren't as good but still go for the same price. So your experience may differ with another headset.
Hi! Don't mind me asking but, where did you get it for that price ? Amazon ? Ebay ? I'm looking for one right now but I can't find one for less than 250 € Thanks!
I have a hp wmr and have never had any of the issues listed in the video nor any i can think of , i would vouch for my hp one as just as good as the others
I can't believe I didn't think of this, i swear every time I use my headset I'm constantly trying to readjust it to be closer to my eyes. Thx so much for this tip
I was ignorant. I fell right into this "best or nothing" trap. Thank you, 2kliksphilip, for opening my eyes to the world of budget VR. I still bought the Valve Index though.
As a long time WMR (Dell Visor) user, it's rare to see your hardware taken seriously. The comparison is always "it's not better than the index", which completely misses the point and when people think about getting into VR it's always "oculus or index"
Absolutely. People still complain about VR being so expensive, but it's not. There are cheaper options that give a fine, albeit, not polished experience. WMR is exactly that. If you have the PC already, it's worth getting.
This video actually convinced me to buy a VR headset 2 years ago, and as a proud Lenovo Explorer owner, I am now playing through Half-Life Alyx for the second time. Thanks Philip for this detailed comparison, without it, I may have never experienced vr for myself.
@@2kliksphilip Yeah that makes sense you'd give up your Exploder. I'm glad its new user likes it, despite its explosive tendencies. Speaking about my experiences, I have to say that It works really well for me. I do not spend that much time in VR anyway, and my initial motivation was literally just to play Half-Life Alyx, as I am a huge fan of the series. I move around quite often, and that's why the base-stationless tracking comes in handy as well. At no point, had I felt any regret for buying it, and though it comes with all the limitations and hindrances mentioned in your video, I had a blast playing through HL:A, SuperHot Vr, GORN and some other games which I would not be able to experience without it (plus I have to say, that things like GORN and SuperHot are really fun to play at parties, though once my controller almost got anihilated because of that). One of my friends has a Quest 2, and in comparison it is obviously superior in almost every way, but as I said Lenuvo is more than enough for me, and I don't see myself buying a more advanced headset anytime soon... Unless Half-Life 3 comes out, and it requires being literally plugged into the Matrix or something, then I may think about it.
Thank you so much, Philip! Thanks to this review i bought myself a WMR Headset + Controllers. I played some Beatsaber on a friends Valve Index before and was blown away by VR immediately. I even tried buying a Quest 2 at that time but it wasn't available here in germany. In the end i watched your review and got a really nice used Samsung Odyssey+ together with some comfort addons for about 120€. Personally i couldn't even tell the difference between a Valve Index and my WMR Headset, given there were weeks between playing on each one of them. So thanks for the advice! You made VR gaming affordable for a broke student. :)
As someone who's owned the Lenovo Explorer for two years now, let me just say that you won't be disappointed for the price. You are definitely missing out on comfort and finger tracking, but if your first foray into VR is only $230, you will absolutely not regret it. I've had so much fun playing around with VR games and tech that this might be the best purchase I've made, except for the PC its self
Hp has announced that they are making a second generation version of these, they haven't announced a price though. They've also said that it's going to be in conjunction with valve and microsoft
No need to pressure oculus though. They are the one that drive the industry forward. The rift s is an excellent product for the price and people who complains that its just 80 hz forgets that many index displays are straight up dying due to the lcd overheating. Carmac mentioned that 80hz is the sweetspot between longevity and fluidity.
The problem is that these devices are good for the price because they were meant to be sold at 400 dollars. However no one bought so they price dropped significantly to around 200 and sometimes even a 100. I'm not sure if they still even profited of those headsets then. If they make new ones, they arent gonna be cheap like these. At least not at the start.
@@CaveyMoth It's a real shame, for 250 USD they were amazing value but being discontinued also means that they're basically impossible to find in most of the world, where I live I only managed to find one used and the seller is asking 1680 USD for it, at that price point I'd rather buy a new Oculus S for 1077, which is still a ridiculous price but when you're the only person in the entire country selling a VR headset I guess you can ask for it as much as you want
Thx Philip for this Video. I was actually thinking getting a "proper" VR device will kost at least 500€. A WMR Headset was never an Option for me. Buying a VR Headset in the future was allways on the back of my head but for me they paywall was too high. After this Video I was looking aroung for an used WMR Device. I found an called "Medion Erazer", which seems to be the exact sam headset like the Lenovo one you are using in the video, under the name of another brand. I am having a blast using my new headset for the past 2 days now. Thank you for informing me on such things you called out in the video. I myself was to lazy too look such things up. Thank you for your content. Keep going. Love you.
I am currently renting a Rift S for €39,90/month, and I can say it was probably the best decision regarding gaming that I have ever made. Although I did have a VR-Ready PC (barely, I have a GTX970, but it does fine with the games so far), I never even tested out VR, and was immediately flashed when I did. Downside to renting is, that you commit to a fixed time, which I chose to be 6 months - when you choose less, it'll cost more per month, but less over all. However, I saw this as an opportunity to try it out and see if I want to commit to a VR headset, and I didn't want to wait for the HP Reverb G2 which is imo currently the only competitor to the index - price and spec wise. I also invested €10 in the DecaGear price lock-in yesterday just to not miss out on the opportunity of a high-end device for $450 when they actually deliver.
@@Kanathil Well i mean, at this point it would be better to get your own WMR, renting a high end headset is cool and all, but it really doesn't feel like you own it (Cause you kinda dont)
Ive owned the explorer for about 3 years and I think I paid £140 from eBay. I love it. It introduce me to VR without breaking the bank. I was able to play the games that I wanted to play such as HLA, Boneworks, Pavlov. Zero complaints. It's a great headset for occasional VR play or just hanging out in VR chat.
@@ciyfiy "This is ten percent luck Twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure Fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name" ;-)
@@snapdragon9300 I still keep my Lenovo Explorer around mostly for its comfort and ease of use. ...At least compared to my Samsung Odyssey+. XP I love the Explorer!
i love the message at the beginning. i’ve been stressing about saving up for the index because i want the best possible experience, but instead of shooting for an unrealistic goal and getting nothing at all, i’d rather enjoy vr at a lower cost
@@sourcethunderlight2723 no... that's no success. If you make 10 cakes and they all sell out that doesn't mean you're in hot demand, you're an idiot. Its like Nintendo Vs everyone else they only make x amount of consoles where as others make millions and sell more.
love it how valve thought HLA wasn't going to sell very well, and then it single handedly made the entire industry go out of stock (though the Pandemic probably didn't help)
@@McDADDyK If you turn up to a bakery sale expecting to sell about 7, and then sell all 10, that means you can go back home afterwards with more money to make even more cakes, and even hire someone to make cakes for you. If you bring 100 cakes and sell 7 you're out of money and can't ever make a cake again.
possibly also worth mentioning that mixed reality headsets go on massive sale often, I got mine for $99 for the headset then £50 for the controllers, which are annoying to find. Also mixed reality for steam VR doesn't need launched separately, if you just start the game, then it opens automatically
Where did you get your controllers? I recently picked up the HP WMR headset for $60 brand new in the box but no controllers and I'm reading that you can't use other VR controllers with it 😕 Edit: other VR as in not WMR like occulus or HTC Vive
@@Shitoryumaster You should lurk around the Reddit for WMR, and Ebay. Sometimes resellers post the controllers for sale, but there are only a limited amount. I've seen it happen quite a few times, but I'm not sure if it will still happen with the current situation of VR.
@@Shitoryumaster I got mine on eBay, and you can use other controllers with it, any mixed reality controller will work, I've got the Lenovo headset and Samsung controllers
@Max M actually, OVR advanced cant change the wmr colour balance as windows have blocked that feature. The best you can do is a colour overlay, which is an inferior method as it adds to the image rather than scaling the rgb channels' intensities.
I'm currently in the process of upgrading to the index, for the following reasons: - The software IPD option does work, but the problem is that my IPD goes beyond the limits of what the software allows you to do. The minimum is 60, but my IPD is more around 58/59. I was able to change the setting further, but only through an archaic practice of messing with some tucked away files. - tracking is generally good enough for swordplay or something like that, but often times too jittery for smooth gunplay, causing me to miss when I shouldn't. - Throwing objects is a pain, due to the need to have these in your fov for them to maintain any momentum. Underhand works fine, but try throwing something overhand, and it'll maybe go 2 or 3 meters before hitting the ground. - The issue of controller collision. Seems like a lot more games are going for more realistic reloading schemes, which is difficult when you keep banging your controllers together. - Getting into the experience is a pain. I constantly have to wrestle with my headset just to get my PC to recognize my playspace on entry. If something goes wrong and the VR software crashes, I have to do this all over again, and spend 10 minutes getting it to work. - It takes forever just to get into Steam VR, and from there, there's a good chance that whatever game I boot up will crash on startup. This happens more often when I have the flashlight feature active, leading me to believe it's likely an issue with the WMR software. The flashlight feature is basically a thing where you can look at wherever you're pointing with your controllers through your cameras, though in black and white. Useful for grabbing a drink without removing the headset.
@@ItsMicahDesu I would first need to upgrade my CPU to play VR games, i only have an i5 7400. To do that i need to upgrade my motherboard too, and i also need another 8GB of Ram. The only thing that can do VR in my PC is the graphics card. Also VR is a little expensive in my country and most VR sets are out of stock these days anyways.
@@Sn1per9CZE I mean if you live in a first world country (US, Europe, Canada, etc). A part time job will get you an Index in 3 months while working like 15 hours a week. You could probably get it in a month by doing 30 hours a week. Definitely don't need to be a billionaire's son. Just privileged enough to not be living paycheck to paycheck.
I’ve had my index for two weeks and I’m loving it! I came from a quest 1 which was a good headset in my opinion, but the display and controllers on the index are soooooo much better
what about comfort? I have been using a quest 1 for quite some time now and find it super uncomfortable, and have been trying to figure out what headset I want to get next (I do like the wireless ability of the quest though)
Thanks philip, I've been holding off VR because I was worried I would be stuck with a sub par experience if I went with cheaper options than the flagship VR choices. But this video cleared everything up. I will be saving up for an affordable and still decent experience now thanks to you.
The Chairman It’s the perfect mix of both headsets. Now, only on eBay for $600, if you can get it, go for it. I know it’s 1/3 more than the original price of the rift s, but it was already extremely cheap when it launched. It’s been sold out for MONTHS for a reason, it’s amazing price.
Something to note about the batteries is that you will want to get rechargeables that are 1.5v. Some of the most popular ones are only rated for 1.3v and while you can still use them only expect them to last for a couple of hours at most.
I needed this video so much - and I had absolutely no idea I needed it. I wasn't even aware of budget VR options. Not that I was ever actively searching for any. As stated in the video, I was convinced that "Alyx costs $1000". I thought it's way out of my budget. Now I might consider partaking in this brave new world of consumer VR. Thanks, 2soapgrater!
Get onward, pavlov and dirt rally 2.0 hands down best gaming in the universe... (in my opinion) there are other games too... I highly recomend Rick and morty VR, accounting, Trover saves the universe, pistol whip is alot of fun, its John wick level baddass and just, like, all VR games damn near actually, lol. So good. But the ones I fibd immensely repayable are the first three.
Jet Island, Superhot VR, The Room VR, obviously Beat Saber, Espire, Boneworks, Walking Dead Saints and Sinners, Google Earth VR, Space Pirate Trainer, Raw Data, Gorn, Counter Fight, King Kaiju, Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes, Sairento, To the Top, Surgeon Simulator ER, Richie’s Plank Experience, I Expect You To Die, and Duck Season
Good tracking is a relief. I think aspects like that are the most important since they can more directly get in the way of you playing. Bad tracking would instantly make you notice it take you out of the experience. But the “immersion” part or the color filter you can get used to and not notice after a while.
I have a Lenovo Explorer that I'll be soon swapping for an Index (as soon as they're in stock, that is). The ONE comfort improvement that makes it a different headset altogether is simple - Buy a Deluxe Audio Strap. I got one used for about €60 and it upped the comfort of the headset incredibly. Increased FOV, no unnecessary forehead pressure, and headphones with good sound quality - an all-over enhancement that makes the experience quality skyrocket. A secondary - but mandatory - modification is swapping the face foam for a Vive replacement cover.
im telling everyone right now, i bought a dell wmr headset for $170 bucks used and it was so worth it. its not perfect but its fun and does the job . also everyone go get a vrcover its a 3rd party cover worth every penny
I have a Lenovo Explorer, honestly, pretty good. Not too heavy, pretty good resolution and refresh rate. The only bad thing is the controllers, mine just don't sync sometimes. Edit: Resolution and refresh rate is better than the Quest/Rift S, but I think the lenses are worse as I still struggle some times. Edit 2: Completely agree about comfort, I seem to have got it to feel better by just not using the foam on my nose and poking it away, nothing rests on my nose. I also hate the audio jack position. Edit 3: I mainly use it for development, and it is amazing for that due to the fact it can play oculus games and steam games, while also using the windows store. It also means I can tune all my controller settings for every device due to being able to emulate every main one. Works flawlessly with Unity and the devs have a load of documentation. I have recently been working on some AI things with the wmr passthrough, like for instance, because it doesn't have it by default, when I go too close to my walls, it will enable passthrough so I can see where I am and recentre. Another thing is that I have managed to get the cameras to detect people so when someone comes in my room, passthrough highlights them inside the game so I don't swing for them by mistake. Edit 5: Yes, these scripts are heavy on CPUs, I'm running the detection on a python script using two cores on my r7 2700. It might take away from my tracking, but I haven't noticed that. Edit 4: Good job Phillip, very fair review.
When you have problems with the controllers, you can try to plug the bluetooth dongle into the front (assuming you don’t have any usb devices plugged in there) or into an extension cable to get it further away from the pc/other usb devices. The thing is that USB 3 can cause interference in the 2.4 GHz spectrum. Other devices working at around 2.4 GHz may cause interference too. So it also might help to unplug wifi or wireless mouse dongles. Turning off wifi and bluetooth on your phone and turning off wifi routers in the same room can help too.
@@AbdoJouma No tutorial for the tracking at the moment. I am trying to make a python library for it and if it ever becomes efficient enough (trying to make it run on 1 core and not detract from game tracking) I will make it public.
I'm already playing with the Lenovo Explorer, and I can totally recommend it. It's a good way to jump into VR and learn about its Pros and Cons. Of cause the Lenovo Explorer is not as good at tracking as a complete VR-Setup with wall mounted sensors, but it's faster to set up. Take your VR-Setup to a friend or your family, just to show them how VR could work, is so easy and just plug-and-play. Now, two years of using the Lenovo Explorer, I think about buying a bigger VR-Setup. But nevertheless, I can totally recommend the Lenovo Explorer to every one who want to see what VR is good for. And hey, I can play and stream Half Life: Alyx and it works great! Coop ON! 💚
@@bandy4807 I have a quest 2, and that's why it connects to a pc- And even then the games library is surprisingly huge for a headset so small- It wouldn't be able to run boneworks, HL:A, and maybe not blade and sorcery- But apart from that it has most games :p
@@bandy4807 the quest 2 can connect to pc and still easily play half life alyx, and all other steam vr games as well as oculus rift library games. Your point is invalid.
This is probably the most informative, understandable, and practical video I've seen when it comes to the WMR headsets versus the other premium setups available. I was one of the people who completely dismissed the cheaper WMR options (despite my friends who owned them telling me they were great) believing that the difference was going to be massive and would spoil the experience entirely. I wish I'd seen this a long time ago before waiting years to buy a VIVE that was, in my mind, immediately made obsolete by the Index. I'm not sure if I feel better or worse about that purchase now, considering how little time I spend in VR myself, when I could have had a similar, cheaper, and easier to set-up experience (physically, at least) than the VIVE. Great video, Philip.
At work we use a lot of VR, have tried a ton of high end headsets plus some unreleased tech.... i came to the same realization, VR is VR and its enjoyable once you get into it, regardless of the headset or peripherals. I own a rift S and obviously its not as polished as a vive pro wireless which i've used a lot at work, but for the price\experience factor the rift S is unbeatable and i'm enjoying the hell out of it.
Although not covered, and not really sold anymore besides third parties, I used the original Oculus Rift (the one that they just replaced with the Rift S not a dev kit or something) and absolutely loved the experience. They're found for around the same price as the Lenovo, and I had finger tracking on four of my five fingers with the Touch controllers, and a really nice FOV with good colors.
The rift S isn’t bad either, infact I think that the only bad thing that the rift S has compared to a CV1 is the halo-type headband that’s odd to use sometimes and impossible to use with over-ear headphones and the inferior sound quality compared to most other sets but then again,in my opinion all that is just a small price to pay for that lovely internal tracking
I have the Acer wmr headset. In most games tracking only breaks when I try to break it, but in vr chat it breaks constantly because my arms r naturally by my sides so out of the fov of the cameras
Yeah thats the only issue I have had with WMR. Superhot makes it hard to through objects if you don't throw them 'correctly' for the cameras to see. But I paid £115 for the headset and controllers, so I really have 0 complaints.
3:16 Wear full size headphones over the Lenovo Explorer. It makes a world of difference with comfort, and helps secure them to your head. The Philips Fidelio X2 is a PERFECT fit, and its headband tension mechanism keeps everything even more secure.
I bought a Lanova WMR for £140, played all the way through HalfLife Alyx, and loved every second of it. The overview at 0:47 is bang on, I don’t have a vive or index to compare it to, so once I’m in game I can’t tell its all Blue and Lenava vision at all
My first was a PSVR. Two days into owning it I already knew I wanted more and started saving for an Index, which I now have. No regrets whatsoever. I still suggest PSVR along with Quest or Rift for first time buyers. Just like he said, they are all amazing machines that provide relatively the same experience. The Index is, how he put it, a Lexus.
I got EXTREMELY lucky when I started hunting cheap vr headsets on ebay after boneworks came out, I got an acer wmr headset (development edition, so a bit earlier one with a shitty headband) for 80 DOLLARS used. Yeahhhh the headband was broken....yeahhh the hinge was broken too....but I got to DIY fix it all to a very decently comfortable state, and honestly the price was worth it for the controllers alone. Completed half-life alyx on it too, absolute blast. Since I live in Hungary I'm quite broke anyways so I wouldn't have been able to spend much more money on it, and yet it's a great time. VR is worth it for the immersion itself even with less good comfort and people tend to forget that.
I've got myself a Samsung Odyssey+ almost brand new for a good price, and boy I am in love. Its just too good to be true. I've already play with a HTC Vive in the past, so I was expecting something 'bad' with the WMR. But no. The display is sharp (not so much because the anti-sdr screen), the controls are very good and confortable. The only con about the WMR is the software. Its Microsoft so you know what you going to get. Sometimes you have to make some tricks to make it work. But once its set, its a joy. Buy one if you can, its totally worth the price.
I found an unused Odyssey+ for $300 on the used market, and it's in the mail right now. How's the tracking? Do you find your controllers getting occluded from view often? Any big problems that make you wish you got a "better" headset? What about ReVive, have you tried that?
I've had an HP WMR headset since their initial release (Around 3 years) and it's been awesome. There are some games that don't support it, but those are the really small games. (Mainly because of keybind support). I've been enjoying playing titles like boneworks and half life alyx with next to no compromises. Inside out tracking is a lot better than I initially thought it'd be. That being said, it has a couple downsides. The biggest ones are just due to age. Microsoft has discontinued the WMR lineup, so eventually they may start having problems. The warranty is only one year and about 3 years in I've started to notice dead pixels on the display. Over my time using it I've learned that extending the cable using a HDMI repeater and a USB 3.0 extension has made it so there is plenty of cable to play in my space. I've also learned that messing around with the strap position can shift the weight of the headset between the back of the head and the forehead. Doing this I've easily had all day play sessions with next to no comfort issues. (Granted, the HP one has padding between your nose and the plastic). The resolution and FOV are a little low, but after you start playing a game you completely stop noticing it and you're completely immersed. I tend to thread the cable through my shirt to keep it from flopping about. The controllers *do* start to hurt your hands after a while of games like boneworks where grip isn't toggle. My color is actually really good. No tint. The controllers don't have any unique battery level detection, so it'll always say they're low when you're using rechargable batteries. I notice I go through about one set a play session, but my sessions are pretty long. (6-8 hours) The buttons on the controller and the joystick eventually do become spongy and squeaky with use, but I only started noticing it after the third year of heavy use. This is best kept in mind if you're buying a used headset. Keep in mind that the USB cable *requires* USB 3.0 speeds. That's all my points. Hope it was useful. TLDR; It's worth it but make sure you are aware that the hardware will wear out over time.
1:21 I can actually think of why this is the case. After motion controlled consoles like the Wii and the Xbox Kinect especially, most people believe you need a large room and play area in order to properly enjoy VR and move your arms and body about to grab stuff and dodge bullets and all that jazz. A significant empty room, for many people and many situations, is way more expensive and harder to come by than a beefy gaming PC and an expensive VR headset. If the room you're doing VR in is more expensive or hard to get than the gaming PC and VR headset combined, then sunk cost fallacy suggests that one should pair this valuable room with the nicest VR setup they can get their claws on; after all, why devote an entire room to a sub-optimal VR setup if the room was really hard to devote in the first place? EDIT: 5:55 Holy shit, the Lenovo Vision is just like The Matrix! The Matrix wasn't fiction! The future is real, and it's here! Honestly, I consider that a feature, just for the meme. ANOTHER EDIT (jesus, I need to watch videos all the way through before commenting next time): 10:25 Huh, that's strange. I believe the cameras might track your controller even without direct line of right if they're infrared cameras and the controllers fire out infrared lasers. That'll allow the cameras and a computer chip to trace the lines to triangulate the position of the controller just based on the observed lines, although that sort of math is black magic if you're comparing actual lines in 3D space to what a camera can observe as a 2D reference frame.
Well, I did own a Lenovo WMR in the first place, but I still bought Valve Index after a year in VR with WMR, it did served well. For a few months into Index, what I found some of the advantages of the index are the knuckles, the tracking, the durability of the controller, and most importantly, more immersive. but on the other hand, indeed, the WMR are really light, and convenient to carry around. My advice to those who struggle around, if you just want to try VR, WMRs are your best choice for theirs decent price. If you want to immerse in the Virtual Reality world, Valve Index are the best now on the market
i dont get people with the mindset of "all or nothing" when going for VR. i got a Rift S and played Alyx and it was the best thing ive ever played! im looking to get the index in the future (if no better headset comes out) but the Rift S was the best 1st headset i couldve asked for.
@@VoidHynx I've got it for about a month now and I've had no problems. Like sure the Valve Index is amazing but I don't wanna spend ages saving up. And besides, the Rift s is still one of the best PCVR headsets.
@@puiu102006 Oh yeah without a doubt. Some rift s vr's sold have their own issues further down the line. I had mine for about 5 months and it started having some strange problems. Nonetheless a great starting VR
@@VoidHynx I have a Rift S, and while I do love it, I'm indifferent towards its potential longevity. If it lasts me, then I'll continue to have a great VR headset. If it doesn't, I can finally upgrade to the Index.
@@southpaw117 I shat on rift s so much because it was my first VR and I was inexperienced on everything, it's a great starter VR and was super easy to set up, the errors that came within months after general day-to-day use was a bit shite, ngl. The customer support for Oculus is a NIGHTMARE never recommending them for that- aha- :eyes:
Aiming works behind the back because rotation is gained from controller itself (like Google Daydream controller,...) and the position/momentum is obtained from inside-out tracking system of headset's cameras
oculus cv 1 is still worth keeping, and from my exprience, you can have roomscale with just two sensors so its also worth it for price from second hand.
It's not Covid 19's fault for the lack of stock. These headsets have been on clearance for over a year. They were starting to get rare about 6 months ago
@@662mann8 If you would like, I can offer you an hp vr 1000 for $200 which has been lightly used. It's basically the same as the Lenovo if you were wondering on comparisons. Nothing wrong with it. Just upgrading. Hit me up if you're interested.
the last four years really haven't shown this to be true. it's mostly been slight improvements and major price reductions, though don't go thinking that you can wait a couple years and get it for the price of a cheeseburger. HL:A really shows that Oculus and Vive pretty much nailed it from the get-go and that it's mostly the software holding it back. if you want to wait on anything, it should be for great new games and programs. there's already a lot, but perhaps not as many as you might like.
@@cxeroannuki2840 Quest 2 kinda blows that vibe out of the water though, 299 for a headset with a good resolution AND it can play games stand alone? Yeah, I don't think VR is in the "wait a couple of years" stage anymore. Index is going to have to have a price drop around Christmas if it wants to stay competitive.
@@SherrifOfNottingham Maybe I'm just being picky, but with the Quest 2 I don't like the idea of Zuckerberg breathing heavily down the back of my neck while I play.
i used a cheap plastic vr thing with my phone and google cardboard and vridge first to try steam vr games. subnautica project cars vr etc. i could defnitely see the potential. but it was absolutely horrible. now with wmr though its a whole new world. a virtual world. wmr is awesome for the price. true VR.
For those looking at this solution, I haven't tried the Lenovo but I got my hands on both the Acer WMR as well as a Samsung odyssey plus at the same time. The difference in visual quality between the two is no joke! Colours don't even begin to compare (OLED vs LCD) and the screen door effect is non existent on the Samsung thanks to the special film. The controller pairing problem also doesn't exist in the Odyssey+ as they come pre-paired to the headset itself, no need for Bluetooth. The controllers themselves, while identical in function, are of a higher quality. As for batteries I got Li-ion rechargeable AA with 1.5 volts and after 9+ hours they're still going strong. Oh and integrated headphones provide great sound! Needless to say I sold the Acer and kept the Samsung. Thought it's also not perfect, the sweet spot is not that big (though better than the Acer), so you have to adjust it on your face, but otherwise I'm happy with it. Edit: I know the G2 has a higher resolution, but you can super sample the resolution on the old WMRs to match that and you will see a big difference in quality, especially in games like elite dangerous and project cars 2. But...... Unless you have an RTX 3080 or something, don't bother with such resolutions. My RTX 2070 is perfectly suitable for the resolution of the Odyssey+/valve index, give or take 20% extra supersampling. Much higher and you'll start to dip below smooth gameplay. Btw I'm talking about supersampling above what steam already applied as default, due to barrel distortion all headsets need 40-50% SS just to display native resolution.
2 tipps: if you have problem with controllers needing pairing over again, try another Bluetooth dongle - it helped in my case. You can increase the FOV by getting the lenses closer to the eyes - you can easily swap the foam padding on the head strap thanks to velcro - the back foam is thinner and it will reduce the eye-lens distance.
0:19 l'novo
3:08 Lnovo
5:47 leenovo
5:53 lenovovo
6:05 lenuovo
6:28 lenvo
7:01 lwlnvo
7:59 menovo
8:15 lenoov
9:42 lwleoawvo
😂 i was just searching for this comment
I'm dying with laugh
Thank you for this , lol.
did he mean to do this?
lenovovo lenoov and lwleoawvo had me dying 😂
9:41 My favourite pronunciation of "Lenovo"
It sounded like he had a stroke
hahaha lenuvuuvhuv
how did auto-generated CC recognized that
@@ZungleIF That is pretty bloody amazing.
@@ZungleIF It's not auto-generated, Philip subtitles all his videos himself.
I love how he pronounces Lenovo a different way every time he does lmfao.
I just wanted to write that :D lolnovo
Vontadeh lenowo
hoever people say "huawei" on the internet, that isn't the correct pronunciation
unless you're saying something like hoo-aah-wai, then you're basically correct.
certainly isn't hwa-way lol.
Atleast he got it right once 9:42
My Mom called it the "Lenova"
I hate people who treat VR like a guarded wall like you have to have the best or nothing.
I have an index, but I always say if you want to experience VR you're not missing a ton if you go for a Windows mixed reality headset it is still an amazing experience.
Have you been to a vrcade? After going there i have forever felt like my psvr couldnt compare. Haptic suits physical objects, smells, and temperature being in a vr game blew my mind
Bradley Unknown after i get an ho reverb g2 i plan on never touching a psvr ever again. Thw absolute worst thing about the psvr (tracking is the 2nd worst) is the resolution. I’ve been able to ignore it for 20 seconds tops before i notice it again. It is damn near impossible to get immersed in this stupid thing with its dogshit tracking and garbage resolution. I cannot wait to get a good headset with 4.5 times the resolution per eye and it will be even better after i get valve index controllers for it. Plus with a pc rec room will look much better and won’t crash or freeze, and i can actually play the games im interested in on the oculus store and steamvr because the only games on psvr I actually regularly play are rec room and beat saber and i really want to get into games like vrchat, pavlov, echo arena (both modes), robo recall, onward, no mans sky, half life alyx, modded beat saber, and countless other games.
You're telling me. Ive been keeping up with vr since the original oculus dk1 came out and youtubers all over played with it, got a Google cardboard in 2016 and it was a fun little play thing. Then i got my psvr and loved the heck out of it, though now that I have an oculus quest, I feel a bit disenchanted with the psvr. But i hear psvr 2 for the ps5 is gonna have inside out tracking. With the tracking of the original psvr there was so much of a room you just couldnt use, but now with my quest i can go anywhere and do anything, doubly so since i can download all sorts of community made stuff and make my own stuff on there, there was time when i was excited for dreams vr, but its too little too late in my opinion, at least for me, i wanted to use it as a vr modeling tool, maybe make some stuff with it, but thats been years since then, i was first getting my cardboard headset when they teased it, and now, now i can make whatever i want with my quest. Ah well.
One thing i can tell you, with the quest and inside out tracking, it can really make the most of a small space.
Hi Anthony!
just buyed a used oculus quest for 200$ i was in fear for shitty hardware, i was wrong... it was mindblowing first time with vr on oculus quest, loved it
Honestly "afraid of investing in a subpar experience" is definitely the dominant opinion I've seen from people hesitant to jump into VR. I'm saving up for the Index but I'm a bit of a perfectionist so I definitely wouldn't expect everyone to agree with me
I'm also a perfectionist and I've bought WMR's Samsung Oddyssey, to which I have to say that I'm pretty satisfied with my decision, playing VR games is really fun, but everytime I launch a VR game I have a feeling of "what if"
299 for a quest 2 with a higher resolution than the index.
I mean, it compromises in other ways but, seriously, the index is a really hard price to swallow considering the only real benefit you get out of it, now, is better tracking.
@@christophervance7080 All I use is Steam, and since most VR games are on Steam it just makes more sense for me to get the steam VR set. Technically, investing in any kind of VR is being "an easy consumer slave" because you don't need to pay for entertainment. Just could just as easily not play VR or invest $200+ on a headset and go out and kick a ball or something lmao
@@christophervance7080 Except you can't use any Oculus devices from 2023 on without a Facebook account. That is an absolute deal breaker.
@@christophervance7080 Noone ever tried the Reverb G2 aside from the select few that HP has chosen. How can you know it's so amazing? Also buying a headset from Facebook? No thanks, I'd rather take my chances anywhere else.
I was one of those "it's either Index or nothing". Now I really intend to buy a WMR device and dig into VR. Thank you very much, Philip, for clearing things up for us!
From what I understand the Samsung Odyssey+ is the best of the WMR headsets. I recently picked up the HP version for super cheap but there's no controllers and apparently they're impossible to find since they aren't made anymore so it can only be used for games with gamepad support.
Don't be an idiot next time :)
I recemond you get a used CV1
Odyssey+ is probably the best WMR option but the Rift S is also a brilliant piece of kit for the price, is what I was using until I got my Index
Psvr was already so much fun with all those exclusives.
top tip for wmr users: about every year or whenever it gets noticeably bad, you'll want to disassemble your controllers and clean the battery contacts or your controllers will think that the batteries are low/flat if they actually aren't
Also, try to find rechargeable batteries that are 1.5V. Most ones are 1.2V which might trigger low-battery warnings and power saver modes.
here's another tip, if you ever get loud static in your headphones randomly, get a powered USB 3 hub. it's a bug with the Realtek audio chip that Microsoft never cared to fix.
I personally just got a Logitech G230 headset that has a really long cable and coiled it along the explorer's cable.
You can go into the Windows Mixed Reality for SteamVR settings file and change how reprojection is handled. I myself leave it on because Microsoft's repor is actually really freakin good.
You can set the desktop control switching to manual mode. so your mouse and keyboard dont get taken over when you put on the headset.
this is where I get into the funny part.
So, around Q2 2019, my proximity sensor stopped working. I tried multiple builds of Windows 10 on multiple computers. and it seems to have happened after a firmware update. and to add insult to injury. I thought, okay, its a hardware issue since it happens on all computers on all builds.
So I sent it in for RMA, a week before the end of warranty lol. Got a brand new unit in the mail. plug it in. MR Portal says its installing a firmware update.
SAME FUCKING ISSUE. RUINED.
The headset is still perfectly usable for SteamVR. but I had to disable pause rendering when headset is idle. and had to set the wmr idle time out duration to many hours in the windows registry. because it thinks Im never wearing it. but the MR Cliffhouse is scuffed because the keyboard wont show up if the headset isnt on your head.
I have been having that problem for YEARS now, I went out and bought soooo many now batteries to try and see if they would work. Thanks man
Yo thanks!!!!
Yep i agree (like my lenovo explorer
*uses valve index exclusive weapon skins whilst playing with a lenovo*
"wait, that's illegal"
I am honoured
Forum Cheeki what part?
Do you get the valve index skins if you only get the controllers?
@@queenbiscuit311 Yes. I have the OG Vive with Index controllers and I have the preorder skins.
Matt S wait if they’re preorder skins does that mean you cant get them anymore?
He pronounces it in alot of funny ways, but the one that really caught me off guard was the ''llellennovfvvo'' at 9:42
My man had a stroke
9:43
@@aurizzmaster na,9:42. how bout 9:42.5? meet halfway :p
I've noticed that the higher the articulate, the higher the 'hick-ups'. I've found that it's because the whole brain isn't exactly synchronize with its self, meaning; the faster a part of the brain: the wider the margin of error (non synchronicity) to the other parts. Errors will enlarge. If this man were on TV then the producers would fix it with an edit...'as they have had to do with other articulates'. Great video, I mean, "Great". I'm sure we could'nt do a vid nearly as close to clear as this.
Ikr it's hilarious
Massive respect on the connectivity bit - both you for mentioning it, and them for pulling it off. I gotta tell you - I didn't expect it any other way, and am a bit disappointed the Index needs an external PSU and uses DP.
I'm disappointed on the opposite, that it uses HDMI. My GPU doesn't have two HDMI out ports, so if I wanna have my display AND my VR headset plugged in at the same time, I need an HDMI splitter or a HDMI to DP converter.
You are dangerously close to dealing fatal damage to my bank account, please spare me
i got the samsung odyssey+... its great. its no index but as a first headset for the pc its awsome. i got it on sale for like 200 but still
@@communistjrotc1 Been trying to get one but they never restock, and when they do, it sells out in 2-3 minutes.
@@communistjrotc1 Same. I paid $299 a year ago. No regrets.
A good "hack" for the Lenovo Explorer is switching the headband that goes on your forehead, with the headband that's on the back of the device. It puts your face closer to your screen and sort of forces a higher FOV. It worked great for me and improved my experiences a lot.
I got my Lenovo Explorer for only €180, which is a bargain compared to the other headsets, and the price you'll have to pay for that is fiddling with the Mixed Reality software and making same DIY hacks on the headset for better comfort. But imo, this headset is superrrrr comfortable because of the low weight, and the good and soft pad. I'm lucky my nose fits in the hole, and because of this, I found this headset more comfortable that the Oculus Rift (S), haven't tried the Index tho. Also if the pad doesn't fit your nose or isn't comfortable, you can buy a €20 pad from VRcover that is more comfortable or buy a premium thick Vive pad, which fits kind of awkwardly but still fits and really blocks out ALL the light. A lot of the Lenovo Explorer shortcomings are fixed with some DIY hacks is what I'm pointing at (except for the crappy software sadly).
Another tip is: Good rechargable batteries are expensive, but you can get the LADDA batteries from IKEA which are like the "Premium" Eneloop batteries. The LADDA cost only 6 per 4 pack, while the Eneloops go up to 30, and the catch is that they are both made in the same factory, meaning they are essentially the same battery.
Beware though, the Lenovo Explorer is pretty much one of the top 3 Windows Mixed Reality devices, and the other ones from HP and Acer aren't as good but still go for the same price. So your experience may differ with another headset.
Hi! Don't mind me asking but, where did you get it for that price ? Amazon ? Ebay ? I'm looking for one right now but I can't find one for less than 250 € Thanks!
I have a hp wmr and have never had any of the issues listed in the video nor any i can think of , i would vouch for my hp one as just as good as the others
I can't believe I didn't think of this, i swear every time I use my headset I'm constantly trying to readjust it to be closer to my eyes. Thx so much for this tip
@@oitzerta6813 I got it on the Dutch Ebay, called Marktplaats, it was 200 and I haggled it down to 180.
@@oitzerta6813 They used to be cheaper secknd hans before Hl Alyx really. I got one literally for £130 while the are 220+. Just keep looking around
I was ignorant. I fell right into this "best or nothing" trap. Thank you, 2kliksphilip, for opening my eyes to the world of budget VR.
I still bought the Valve Index though.
I mean, no need not to be rich afterall
@@cr33p3rhd6 I'm definitely not. I work a bar job. I've been saving up for it for six months.
It was supposed to be a joke, sorry if the delivery was bad
Sad sad flex
@@sqlevolicious Well, how can I prove it was supposed to be a joke?
5:54 Ah yes, the "Fallout 3" filter.
6:15 At first I thought those were his legs
me too
Lenovo’s headset really gives you that headcrab on face experience
As a long time WMR (Dell Visor) user, it's rare to see your hardware taken seriously. The comparison is always "it's not better than the index", which completely misses the point and when people think about getting into VR it's always "oculus or index"
People laugh at me for having WMR, but they really couldn't tell if I didn't tell them.
@@Scorpek91 yeah that jittery movement sounds familiar...
I got the rift s and the index , but let me tell you I really like the index 😎 having a Beasty PC also help alot in VR
Absolutely. People still complain about VR being so expensive, but it's not. There are cheaper options that give a fine, albeit, not polished experience. WMR is exactly that. If you have the PC already, it's worth getting.
@@AaronNickols88 alright bois let's the who the fuck asked
"Blacks - Poor VS quite poor"
phillip out here with the social commentary
okay peter
bruh
Underrated comment.
This video actually convinced me to buy a VR headset 2 years ago, and as a proud Lenovo Explorer owner, I am now playing through Half-Life Alyx for the second time. Thanks Philip for this detailed comparison, without it, I may have never experienced vr for myself.
@@2kliksphilip Yeah that makes sense you'd give up your Exploder. I'm glad its new user likes it, despite its explosive tendencies.
Speaking about my experiences, I have to say that It works really well for me. I do not spend that much time in VR anyway, and my initial motivation was literally just to play Half-Life Alyx, as I am a huge fan of the series.
I move around quite often, and that's why the base-stationless tracking comes in handy as well. At no point, had I felt any regret for buying it, and though it comes with all the limitations and hindrances mentioned in your video, I had a blast playing through HL:A, SuperHot Vr, GORN and some other games which I would not be able to experience without it (plus I have to say, that things like GORN and SuperHot are really fun to play at parties, though once my controller almost got anihilated because of that).
One of my friends has a Quest 2, and in comparison it is obviously superior in almost every way, but as I said Lenuvo is more than enough for me, and I don't see myself buying a more advanced headset anytime soon...
Unless Half-Life 3 comes out, and it requires being literally plugged into the Matrix or something, then I may think about it.
Thank you so much, Philip! Thanks to this review i bought myself a WMR Headset + Controllers. I played some Beatsaber on a friends Valve Index before and was blown away by VR immediately. I even tried buying a Quest 2 at that time but it wasn't available here in germany. In the end i watched your review and got a really nice used Samsung Odyssey+ together with some comfort addons for about 120€. Personally i couldn't even tell the difference between a Valve Index and my WMR Headset, given there were weeks between playing on each one of them.
So thanks for the advice! You made VR gaming affordable for a broke student. :)
As someone who's owned the Lenovo Explorer for two years now, let me just say that you won't be disappointed for the price. You are definitely missing out on comfort and finger tracking, but if your first foray into VR is only $230, you will absolutely not regret it. I've had so much fun playing around with VR games and tech that this might be the best purchase I've made, except for the PC its self
Agreed! Had my explorer for 2 years as well and it was definitely worth the money!
I got super lucky and got a new one for 199.99 in the Microsoft store, and if you can actually find one anymore, yes it's totally worth it
same with dell visor
The Lenovo I scored second hand and it's been fantastic.
I found an Asus WMR on sale for $200 and it was the best purchase I’ve made in years
Imagine if Microsoft would make an updated version of these for around 300 dollars, that would really put some pressure on oculus
i think that the Samsung HMD Odyssey+ is meant to be that but has a hugely inflated price
Hp has announced that they are making a second generation version of these, they haven't announced a price though. They've also said that it's going to be in conjunction with valve and microsoft
No need to pressure oculus though. They are the one that drive the industry forward. The rift s is an excellent product for the price and people who complains that its just 80 hz forgets that many index displays are straight up dying due to the lcd overheating. Carmac mentioned that 80hz is the sweetspot between longevity and fluidity.
The problem is that these devices are good for the price because they were meant to be sold at 400 dollars. However no one bought so they price dropped significantly to around 200 and sometimes even a 100. I'm not sure if they still even profited of those headsets then. If they make new ones, they arent gonna be cheap like these. At least not at the start.
don’t oculus sets start at 400 first hand?
This video literally changed my view on vr and it's availability with a small budget
I wish that more people knew how great WMR was before it got discontinued, and the prices raised.
@@CaveyMoth It's a real shame, for 250 USD they were amazing value but being discontinued also means that they're basically impossible to find in most of the world, where I live I only managed to find one used and the seller is asking 1680 USD for it, at that price point I'd rather buy a new Oculus S for 1077, which is still a ridiculous price but when you're the only person in the entire country selling a VR headset I guess you can ask for it as much as you want
I recommend the HP wmr 1000 it’s the best medium when it comes to quality and value
@@jacoblyalls4026 CEX even sells them with waranty. I just whish the would ship to the rest of europe, even if shipping was 30€ it would be wörth it.
Well computer is still gonna hit but I bet you can play VR under 1k with the computer and VR
Thx Philip for this Video. I was actually thinking getting a "proper" VR device will kost at least 500€. A WMR Headset was never an Option for me. Buying a VR Headset in the future was allways on the back of my head but for me they paywall was too high. After this Video I was looking aroung for an used WMR Device. I found an called "Medion Erazer", which seems to be the exact sam headset like the Lenovo one you are using in the video, under the name of another brand. I am having a blast using my new headset for the past 2 days now. Thank you for informing me on such things you called out in the video. I myself was to lazy too look such things up. Thank you for your content. Keep going. Love you.
I am currently renting a Rift S for €39,90/month, and I can say it was probably the best decision regarding gaming that I have ever made. Although I did have a VR-Ready PC (barely, I have a GTX970, but it does fine with the games so far), I never even tested out VR, and was immediately flashed when I did.
Downside to renting is, that you commit to a fixed time, which I chose to be 6 months - when you choose less, it'll cost more per month, but less over all. However, I saw this as an opportunity to try it out and see if I want to commit to a VR headset, and I didn't want to wait for the HP Reverb G2 which is imo currently the only competitor to the index - price and spec wise. I also invested €10 in the DecaGear price lock-in yesterday just to not miss out on the opportunity of a high-end device for $450 when they actually deliver.
@@Kanathil Well i mean, at this point it would be better to get your own WMR, renting a high end headset is cool and all, but it really doesn't feel like you own it (Cause you kinda dont)
@@therealbubble4696 well you don't own it at all.
@@hugolbr2498 Well, yeah, so i guess renting would be better than nothing.
Ive owned the explorer for about 3 years and I think I paid £140 from eBay. I love it. It introduce me to VR without breaking the bank. I was able to play the games that I wanted to play such as HLA, Boneworks, Pavlov. Zero complaints.
It's a great headset for occasional VR play or just hanging out in VR chat.
Yeah for how cheap it is, it is a really underrated headset
Lenovo, lenoov, linovo, man you had me laughing my ass off every time you said it differently
Can't forget the "Lenovovo" at 5:51
lllve
😂
Eturian what about 9:42
@@kamii2278 I have no idea how you'd spell out the noise he made there...
Hey Philip, It seems like you accidentally uploaded a video that wasn't a longest killfeed video. Hope you fix this issue in the future.
This is 2kliksphilip, his brother's channel.
@@megahornetExcuses... 😒
valve please *fix*
@@megahornet i actually thought for the longest time ever there were 3 philip brothers ahahaha
philip plz fix
90% immersion
75% visual quality
50% comfort
25% price
and 100% worth it
100% reason to remember the name
Socks VR Gaming 10% skill 20% pain
@@ciyfiy "This is ten percent luck
Twenty percent skill
Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
Five percent pleasure
Fifty percent pain
And a hundred percent reason to remember the name"
;-)
50% comfort= goodbye leonovo.
@@snapdragon9300 I still keep my Lenovo Explorer around mostly for its comfort and ease of use. ...At least compared to my Samsung Odyssey+. XP I love the Explorer!
I felt it when he said “Lanueovuh”
i love the message at the beginning. i’ve been stressing about saving up for the index because i want the best possible experience, but instead of shooting for an unrealistic goal and getting nothing at all, i’d rather enjoy vr at a lower cost
@Big Pasta good point dude thank you for pointing this one out
The biggest issue with VR is literally everything being out of stock
You could say VR is suffering from success.
Well in my country there aren't even listings to be out of stock, and of you find something it's double the msrp and from a shady seller
@@sourcethunderlight2723 no... that's no success.
If you make 10 cakes and they all sell out that doesn't mean you're in hot demand, you're an idiot.
Its like Nintendo Vs everyone else they only make x amount of consoles where as others make millions and sell more.
love it how valve thought HLA wasn't going to sell very well, and then it single handedly made the entire industry go out of stock (though the Pandemic probably didn't help)
@@McDADDyK If you turn up to a bakery sale expecting to sell about 7, and then sell all 10, that means you can go back home afterwards with more money to make even more cakes, and even hire someone to make cakes for you. If you bring 100 cakes and sell 7 you're out of money and can't ever make a cake again.
possibly also worth mentioning that mixed reality headsets go on massive sale often, I got mine for $99 for the headset then £50 for the controllers, which are annoying to find. Also mixed reality for steam VR doesn't need launched separately, if you just start the game, then it opens automatically
Where did you get your controllers? I recently picked up the HP WMR headset for $60 brand new in the box but no controllers and I'm reading that you can't use other VR controllers with it 😕
Edit: other VR as in not WMR like occulus or HTC Vive
@@Shitoryumaster You should lurk around the Reddit for WMR, and Ebay. Sometimes resellers post the controllers for sale, but there are only a limited amount. I've seen it happen quite a few times, but I'm not sure if it will still happen with the current situation of VR.
@@Shitoryumaster I got mine on eBay, and you can use other controllers with it, any mixed reality controller will work, I've got the Lenovo headset and Samsung controllers
DR MEME MD I got really lucky and got an Oculus Rift CV1 for 150 bucks which was an absolute steal.
@@Shitoryumaster As long as they are wmr Controllers, you can use them
How many different ways can you say lenovo?
2kliksphilip: are you sure you wanna try me?
I thought he had a stroke at 9:45. "Lenuuvu"
@@smart01able hahahahaa true xD
2kliksphilip: Yes
@@zaq96270 that ones better xD
@Him lulnovo
“If the base stations are set up properly”
Proceeds to show base stations pointing upwards from the floor.
10:31 When you're playing Half Life: Arizona
I come back to this comment and timestamp every now and then because it absolutely kills me.
Ahem. I expected shirtless gameplay...
You can use “OVR Advanced Settings” to change color balance in real time with steamvr
This was my biggest concern coming out of this video, well, maybe second to comfort. Glad to know there's a solution
@Max M actually, OVR advanced cant change the wmr colour balance as windows have blocked that feature. The best you can do is a colour overlay, which is an inferior method as it adds to the image rather than scaling the rgb channels' intensities.
Alex W you can change color balance through amd’s gpu software.
@@luna010 Except I'm on a Nvidia gpu :(
They used to have a workaround but apparently removed it by Microsoft's request
@@alexw1681 that sucks. Why would they do that?
For the first time ever I'm actually considering getting a VR headset. I swear this is something only you can do, great video!
You know what's not a compromise? Watching your quallity content on RUclips.
I'm currently in the process of upgrading to the index, for the following reasons:
- The software IPD option does work, but the problem is that my IPD goes beyond the limits of what the software allows you to do. The minimum is 60, but my IPD is more around 58/59. I was able to change the setting further, but only through an archaic practice of messing with some tucked away files.
- tracking is generally good enough for swordplay or something like that, but often times too jittery for smooth gunplay, causing me to miss when I shouldn't.
- Throwing objects is a pain, due to the need to have these in your fov for them to maintain any momentum. Underhand works fine, but try throwing something overhand, and it'll maybe go 2 or 3 meters before hitting the ground.
- The issue of controller collision. Seems like a lot more games are going for more realistic reloading schemes, which is difficult when you keep banging your controllers together.
- Getting into the experience is a pain. I constantly have to wrestle with my headset just to get my PC to recognize my playspace on entry. If something goes wrong and the VR software crashes, I have to do this all over again, and spend 10 minutes getting it to work.
- It takes forever just to get into Steam VR, and from there, there's a good chance that whatever game I boot up will crash on startup. This happens more often when I have the flashlight feature active, leading me to believe it's likely an issue with the WMR software.
The flashlight feature is basically a thing where you can look at wherever you're pointing with your controllers through your cameras, though in black and white. Useful for grabbing a drink without removing the headset.
Alternative Title: Phillip mispronounces Lenovo for 23 Minutes straight
@Radioactive Bleach A good wife has a picture of her wife as her RUclips pfp
Best VR headset review i've ever seen. Probably because i just learned the fact that i don't neet to be a billionaire's son to play Half Life Alyx.
@@sqlevolicious "anyone"
@@sqlevolicious If you count 20 years as a reasonable amount of time, then you should be locked up in a psychiatric hospital.
@@ItsMicahDesu That's still like a year worth of savings here.
@@ItsMicahDesu I would first need to upgrade my CPU to play VR games, i only have an i5 7400. To do that i need to upgrade my motherboard too, and i also need another 8GB of Ram. The only thing that can do VR in my PC is the graphics card. Also VR is a little expensive in my country and most VR sets are out of stock these days anyways.
@@Sn1per9CZE I mean if you live in a first world country (US, Europe, Canada, etc). A part time job will get you an Index in 3 months while working like 15 hours a week. You could probably get it in a month by doing 30 hours a week. Definitely don't need to be a billionaire's son. Just privileged enough to not be living paycheck to paycheck.
"250$/205£" lmao no, in this period they have doubled the prices, ESPECIALLY on ebay
man I hate scalpers
aTarii ו try the Samsung odyssey. You can get one used for about the same price on eBay, and it’s way more comfortable.
Bruh in New Zealand pc stuff is super expensive, buying new is almost always cheaper, and none of its sold in stores either
not in germany it just went up 15€
In poland atleast you can still get them for 250$
Jesus.. someone is trying to sell a samsung hmd odyssey for 600 pounds!
22:40
The background gameplay is absolutely hilarious, especially with the look on his face as he commits about 3 felonies
I’ve had my index for two weeks and I’m loving it! I came from a quest 1 which was a good headset in my opinion, but the display and controllers on the index are soooooo much better
nice! ive had mine for a few days
I've had my lamborghini for two weeks and I'm a douchebag!
(you all sound like this!)
@@RapidVidsProductions why are you being rude?
@@RapidVidsProductions It’s not that deep dude, nobody cares
what about comfort? I have been using a quest 1 for quite some time now and find it super uncomfortable, and have been trying to figure out what headset I want to get next (I do like the wireless ability of the quest though)
Thank you for not being biased. I'm getting tired of people saying WMR is useless
Thanks philip, I've been holding off VR because I was worried I would be stuck with a sub par experience if I went with cheaper options than the flagship VR choices. But this video cleared everything up. I will be saving up for an affordable and still decent experience now thanks to you.
I recommend a rift s, it is the closest thing to the valve index and you can have access to oculus exclusives
The Chairman
It’s the perfect mix of both headsets. Now, only on eBay for $600, if you can get it, go for it. I know it’s 1/3 more than the original price of the rift s, but it was already extremely cheap when it launched. It’s been sold out for MONTHS for a reason, it’s amazing price.
@@toyotatrd i have one ;)
NK3D $600!? That’s insane for a Rift S. You could get a new 4K Reverb G2 for the same price.
@@float32 it is 600$ because there are not enough of them, or at least there were. you can probably get one (new) for the normal 400$ price now
Something to note about the batteries is that you will want to get rechargeables that are 1.5v. Some of the most popular ones are only rated for 1.3v and while you can still use them only expect them to last for a couple of hours at most.
Nice tip, thanks my dude
16:12, you didnt mention but if you use a 1.2 HDMI connector you onyl get 60 hetz but if you use a 2.0+ you get the 90 normal hertz
If you can only get an HDMI 1.2 signal then most likely your PC isn't capable of running VR anyway.
@@sgcs some 900 series cards have 2.0 and 980/ti can both play VR just fine
@@Henrix1998 read my original comment again.
A great and nicely balanced piece, that enables people to assess opposite ends of the price range in a more informed way.
Lenovo is the kings of being way too good for being usually the cheapest option
Which is why I usually settle for a Motorola for a phone
It used to be good but since acquiring motorola they haven't done much
same goes to their laptops yea
That's because they install rootkits so they can steal all your data.
Thanks, China!
I needed this video so much - and I had absolutely no idea I needed it.
I wasn't even aware of budget VR options. Not that I was ever actively searching for any. As stated in the video, I was convinced that "Alyx costs $1000". I thought it's way out of my budget.
Now I might consider partaking in this brave new world of consumer VR.
Thanks, 2soapgrater!
Wojtek Gancarz so, you’ve never heard of the Oculus Quest?
Get onward, pavlov and dirt rally 2.0 hands down best gaming in the universe... (in my opinion) there are other games too... I highly recomend Rick and morty VR, accounting, Trover saves the universe, pistol whip is alot of fun, its John wick level baddass and just, like, all VR games damn near actually, lol. So good. But the ones I fibd immensely repayable are the first three.
Jet Island, Superhot VR, The Room VR, obviously Beat Saber, Espire, Boneworks, Walking Dead Saints and Sinners, Google Earth VR, Space Pirate Trainer, Raw Data, Gorn, Counter Fight, King Kaiju, Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes, Sairento, To the Top, Surgeon Simulator ER, Richie’s Plank Experience, I Expect You To Die, and Duck Season
i thought the title said "The Cheapest VR IS the Valve Index"
thank god you're not lying
same bruh
Same
that's a very 3kliksphilip thing to say.
Good tracking is a relief. I think aspects like that are the most important since they can more directly get in the way of you playing. Bad tracking would instantly make you notice it take you out of the experience. But the “immersion” part or the color filter you can get used to and not notice after a while.
Your introduction to the caveats is fantastic.
I have a Lenovo Explorer that I'll be soon swapping for an Index (as soon as they're in stock, that is).
The ONE comfort improvement that makes it a different headset altogether is simple - Buy a Deluxe Audio Strap. I got one used for about €60 and it upped the comfort of the headset incredibly.
Increased FOV, no unnecessary forehead pressure, and headphones with good sound quality - an all-over enhancement that makes the experience quality skyrocket.
A secondary - but mandatory - modification is swapping the face foam for a Vive replacement cover.
You can put the Deluxe Audio Strap on the Lenovo Explorer? How would that work?
@@sv7363 Epoxy and bricolage, that's how. i.imgur.com/dYpKme2.png
im telling everyone right now, i bought a dell wmr headset for $170 bucks used and it was so worth it. its not perfect but its fun and does the job
. also everyone go get a vrcover its a 3rd party cover worth every penny
I have a Lenovo Explorer, honestly, pretty good. Not too heavy, pretty good resolution and refresh rate. The only bad thing is the controllers, mine just don't sync sometimes.
Edit: Resolution and refresh rate is better than the Quest/Rift S, but I think the lenses are worse as I still struggle some times.
Edit 2: Completely agree about comfort, I seem to have got it to feel better by just not using the foam on my nose and poking it away, nothing rests on my nose. I also hate the audio jack position.
Edit 3: I mainly use it for development, and it is amazing for that due to the fact it can play oculus games and steam games, while also using the windows store. It also means I can tune all my controller settings for every device due to being able to emulate every main one. Works flawlessly with Unity and the devs have a load of documentation. I have recently been working on some AI things with the wmr passthrough, like for instance, because it doesn't have it by default, when I go too close to my walls, it will enable passthrough so I can see where I am and recentre. Another thing is that I have managed to get the cameras to detect people so when someone comes in my room, passthrough highlights them inside the game so I don't swing for them by mistake.
Edit 5: Yes, these scripts are heavy on CPUs, I'm running the detection on a python script using two cores on my r7 2700. It might take away from my tracking, but I haven't noticed that.
Edit 4: Good job Phillip, very fair review.
I've got a ryzen 7 too, got a tutorial for the people tracking thing?
When you have problems with the controllers, you can try to plug the bluetooth dongle into the front (assuming you don’t have any usb devices plugged in there) or into an extension cable to get it further away from the pc/other usb devices. The thing is that USB 3 can cause interference in the 2.4 GHz spectrum. Other devices working at around 2.4 GHz may cause interference too. So it also might help to unplug wifi or wireless mouse dongles. Turning off wifi and bluetooth on your phone and turning off wifi routers in the same room can help too.
@@AbdoJouma No tutorial for the tracking at the moment. I am trying to make a python library for it and if it ever becomes efficient enough (trying to make it run on 1 core and not detract from game tracking) I will make it public.
0:40 FLIPPED SIDEWAYS FLOOR MATTRESS AGAINST THE WALL
we are looking at a true gamer in his natural habitat
9:42 is by far the best pronunciation of the entire video
so happy i grabbed an OG Rift for £190 last Christmas, even has a fan added to the top to keep my vision balls chilled B^)
"vision balls"
Yea bought one last year that was buyed some months before the s version and was never opened.
Edit:for 205 dollars on Ebay
I feel like a fan on my eyes combined with strapping two monitors to my face would only dry out my vision balls
Fan? Tf
I did the same thing. It's just so good
I'm already playing with the Lenovo Explorer, and I can totally recommend it. It's a good way to jump into VR and learn about its Pros and Cons.
Of cause the Lenovo Explorer is not as good at tracking as a complete VR-Setup with wall mounted sensors, but it's faster to set up.
Take your VR-Setup to a friend or your family, just to show them how VR could work, is so easy and just plug-and-play.
Now, two years of using the Lenovo Explorer, I think about buying a bigger VR-Setup.
But nevertheless, I can totally recommend the Lenovo Explorer to every one who want to see what VR is good for.
And hey, I can play and stream Half Life: Alyx and it works great!
Coop ON! 💚
The only issue with taking the set to friends or family is the requirement for them to have a good enough PC to run VR too
@@SilverScraper i take my i5 laptop and runs beatsaber perfect...
Let's compare VR headsets! Philip: *shoots self in back, invents 3 new yoga poses and tries to swallow controllers to mislead tracking system*
I'm dying😆
“the cheapest”
oculus: hold my headset
lol
If your talking about the quest you cant really play the best games like boneworks and hl alyx on it
@@bandy4807
I have a quest 2, and that's why it connects to a pc-
And even then the games library is surprisingly huge for a headset so small-
It wouldn't be able to run boneworks, HL:A, and maybe not blade and sorcery-
But apart from that it has most games :p
@@bandy4807 Oculus can connect to pc through cable or streaming
@@bandy4807 the quest 2 can connect to pc and still easily play half life alyx, and all other steam vr games as well as oculus rift library games. Your point is invalid.
This is probably the most informative, understandable, and practical video I've seen when it comes to the WMR headsets versus the other premium setups available. I was one of the people who completely dismissed the cheaper WMR options (despite my friends who owned them telling me they were great) believing that the difference was going to be massive and would spoil the experience entirely. I wish I'd seen this a long time ago before waiting years to buy a VIVE that was, in my mind, immediately made obsolete by the Index. I'm not sure if I feel better or worse about that purchase now, considering how little time I spend in VR myself, when I could have had a similar, cheaper, and easier to set-up experience (physically, at least) than the VIVE. Great video, Philip.
At work we use a lot of VR, have tried a ton of high end headsets plus some unreleased tech.... i came to the same realization, VR is VR and its enjoyable once you get into it, regardless of the headset or peripherals. I own a rift S and obviously its not as polished as a vive pro wireless which i've used a lot at work, but for the price\experience factor the rift S is unbeatable and i'm enjoying the hell out of it.
Although not covered, and not really sold anymore besides third parties, I used the original Oculus Rift (the one that they just replaced with the Rift S not a dev kit or something) and absolutely loved the experience. They're found for around the same price as the Lenovo, and I had finger tracking on four of my five fingers with the Touch controllers, and a really nice FOV with good colors.
The rift S isn’t bad either, infact I think that the only bad thing that the rift S has compared to a CV1 is the halo-type headband that’s odd to use sometimes and impossible to use with over-ear headphones and the inferior sound quality compared to most other sets but then again,in my opinion all that is just a small price to pay for that lovely internal tracking
I would have gone for one if not for it being pretty much impossible to get a 3rd sensor where I live. I need that roomscale experience.
I have the Acer wmr headset. In most games tracking only breaks when I try to break it, but in vr chat it breaks constantly because my arms r naturally by my sides so out of the fov of the cameras
Yeah thats the only issue I have had with WMR. Superhot makes it hard to through objects if you don't throw them 'correctly' for the cameras to see. But I paid £115 for the headset and controllers, so I really have 0 complaints.
13:32
"kliks" wasn't edited into a subtle "kliks(phillip)"
Immersion ruined
3:16 Wear full size headphones over the Lenovo Explorer. It makes a world of difference with comfort, and helps secure them to your head. The Philips Fidelio X2 is a PERFECT fit, and its headband tension mechanism keeps everything even more secure.
Thank you for covering the controllers! No one ever does and it's one of the most important issues to me and my tiny girly hands!
6:27: "Blacks - Poor VS quite poor"
UK vs US
9:42 I’m dying😂 “the leurverrrererle”
its pronounced as "gsbognueosunorberertunhhunse" actually
This video must have been lots of hard work, thank you for the good video Mr klik :D
I bought a Lanova WMR for £140, played all the way through HalfLife Alyx, and loved every second of it. The overview at 0:47 is bang on, I don’t have a vive or index to compare it to, so once I’m in game I can’t tell its all Blue and Lenava vision at all
My first was a PSVR. Two days into owning it I already knew I wanted more and started saving for an Index, which I now have. No regrets whatsoever.
I still suggest PSVR along with Quest or Rift for first time buyers. Just like he said, they are all amazing machines that provide relatively the same experience. The Index is, how he put it, a Lexus.
I got EXTREMELY lucky when I started hunting cheap vr headsets on ebay after boneworks came out, I got an acer wmr headset (development edition, so a bit earlier one with a shitty headband) for 80 DOLLARS used. Yeahhhh the headband was broken....yeahhh the hinge was broken too....but I got to DIY fix it all to a very decently comfortable state, and honestly the price was worth it for the controllers alone. Completed half-life alyx on it too, absolute blast. Since I live in Hungary I'm quite broke anyways so I wouldn't have been able to spend much more money on it, and yet it's a great time. VR is worth it for the immersion itself even with less good comfort and people tend to forget that.
got my samsung odyssy that you mentioned in the end when hl:a first came out
100% worth it
still waiting on the winrar cd version review
Mark
16:50 only needs to be done once. the onscreen prompts show you how to do it. not exactly a deal breaker to push a button.
That little tongue movement at 2:29 made my day
I've got myself a Samsung Odyssey+ almost brand new for a good price, and boy I am in love. Its just too good to be true. I've already play with a HTC Vive in the past, so I was expecting something 'bad' with the WMR. But no. The display is sharp (not so much because the anti-sdr screen), the controls are very good and confortable. The only con about the WMR is the software. Its Microsoft so you know what you going to get. Sometimes you have to make some tricks to make it work. But once its set, its a joy. Buy one if you can, its totally worth the price.
I found an unused Odyssey+ for $300 on the used market, and it's in the mail right now.
How's the tracking? Do you find your controllers getting occluded from view often? Any big problems that make you wish you got a "better" headset? What about ReVive, have you tried that?
Too bad it is discontinued, the best value/screen quality device
I've had an HP WMR headset since their initial release (Around 3 years) and it's been awesome. There are some games that don't support it, but those are the really small games. (Mainly because of keybind support). I've been enjoying playing titles like boneworks and half life alyx with next to no compromises. Inside out tracking is a lot better than I initially thought it'd be. That being said, it has a couple downsides. The biggest ones are just due to age. Microsoft has discontinued the WMR lineup, so eventually they may start having problems. The warranty is only one year and about 3 years in I've started to notice dead pixels on the display. Over my time using it I've learned that extending the cable using a HDMI repeater and a USB 3.0 extension has made it so there is plenty of cable to play in my space. I've also learned that messing around with the strap position can shift the weight of the headset between the back of the head and the forehead. Doing this I've easily had all day play sessions with next to no comfort issues. (Granted, the HP one has padding between your nose and the plastic). The resolution and FOV are a little low, but after you start playing a game you completely stop noticing it and you're completely immersed. I tend to thread the cable through my shirt to keep it from flopping about. The controllers *do* start to hurt your hands after a while of games like boneworks where grip isn't toggle. My color is actually really good. No tint. The controllers don't have any unique battery level detection, so it'll always say they're low when you're using rechargable batteries. I notice I go through about one set a play session, but my sessions are pretty long. (6-8 hours) The buttons on the controller and the joystick eventually do become spongy and squeaky with use, but I only started noticing it after the third year of heavy use. This is best kept in mind if you're buying a used headset. Keep in mind that the USB cable *requires* USB 3.0 speeds.
That's all my points. Hope it was useful.
TLDR; It's worth it but make sure you are aware that the hardware will wear out over time.
5:14 this could be fixed relatively easily and cheaply with some DIY
this was a super helpful and informative video, I love your approach to coovering VR content
Well made video, now that I know a good yet cheap VR experience is possible, I'm going to consider buying into one in the next couple years. Thanks!
GTA IV VR when?
1:21
I can actually think of why this is the case.
After motion controlled consoles like the Wii and the Xbox Kinect especially, most people believe you need a large room and play area in order to properly enjoy VR and move your arms and body about to grab stuff and dodge bullets and all that jazz. A significant empty room, for many people and many situations, is way more expensive and harder to come by than a beefy gaming PC and an expensive VR headset. If the room you're doing VR in is more expensive or hard to get than the gaming PC and VR headset combined, then sunk cost fallacy suggests that one should pair this valuable room with the nicest VR setup they can get their claws on; after all, why devote an entire room to a sub-optimal VR setup if the room was really hard to devote in the first place?
EDIT:
5:55
Holy shit, the Lenovo Vision is just like The Matrix!
The Matrix wasn't fiction! The future is real, and it's here!
Honestly, I consider that a feature, just for the meme.
ANOTHER EDIT (jesus, I need to watch videos all the way through before commenting next time):
10:25
Huh, that's strange. I believe the cameras might track your controller even without direct line of right if they're infrared cameras and the controllers fire out infrared lasers. That'll allow the cameras and a computer chip to trace the lines to triangulate the position of the controller just based on the observed lines, although that sort of math is black magic if you're comparing actual lines in 3D space to what a camera can observe as a 2D reference frame.
Well, I did own a Lenovo WMR in the first place, but I still bought Valve Index after a year in VR with WMR, it did served well.
For a few months into Index, what I found some of the advantages of the index are the knuckles, the tracking, the durability of the controller, and most importantly, more immersive. but on the other hand, indeed, the WMR are really light, and convenient to carry around.
My advice to those who struggle around, if you just want to try VR, WMRs are your best choice for theirs decent price. If you want to immerse in the Virtual Reality world, Valve Index are the best now on the market
i dont get people with the mindset of "all or nothing" when going for VR.
i got a Rift S and played Alyx and it was the best thing ive ever played!
im looking to get the index in the future (if no better headset comes out) but the Rift S was the best 1st headset i couldve asked for.
The rift s is a brilliant VR for someone’s first VR, 100%.
Once it gets its problems though it’s quite a downer, goodluck with yours!
@@VoidHynx I've got it for about a month now and I've had no problems. Like sure the Valve Index is amazing but I don't wanna spend ages saving up. And besides, the Rift s is still one of the best PCVR headsets.
@@puiu102006 Oh yeah without a doubt.
Some rift s vr's sold have their own issues further down the line. I had mine for about 5 months and it started having some strange problems. Nonetheless a great starting VR
@@VoidHynx I have a Rift S, and while I do love it, I'm indifferent towards its potential longevity. If it lasts me, then I'll continue to have a great VR headset. If it doesn't, I can finally upgrade to the Index.
@@southpaw117 I shat on rift s so much because it was my first VR and I was inexperienced on everything, it's a great starter VR and was super easy to set up, the errors that came within months after general day-to-day use was a bit shite, ngl. The customer support for Oculus is a NIGHTMARE never recommending them for that- aha- :eyes:
Aiming works behind the back because rotation is gained from controller itself (like Google Daydream controller,...) and the position/momentum is obtained from inside-out tracking system of headset's cameras
with that bath robe on you look like a jedi raiding someones bedroom for his lost light-sabre lol
but love the casual dressing lol
oculus cv 1 is still worth keeping, and from my exprience, you can have roomscale with just two sensors so its also worth it for price from second hand.
Its even worth buying, since used kits with controllers seem to cost pretty much the same as WMR headsets since the latter are so hard to get.
Saying Alyx is a $1000 game is like saying CS:GO is a $2000 game
wdym
its more like 200€
Dam its very sad that covid 19 exists and they don't have the stock :(
they have the stock maybe, but the shops are closed
It's not Covid 19's fault for the lack of stock. These headsets have been on clearance for over a year. They were starting to get rare about 6 months ago
@@jacojerb just found one for a resonable price nice
@@662mann8 If you would like, I can offer you an hp vr 1000 for $200 which has been lightly used. It's basically the same as the Lenovo if you were wondering on comparisons. Nothing wrong with it. Just upgrading. Hit me up if you're interested.
the only video i sit thru watching as none-VRer.
thanks a lot, now i know what i need to get.
Thank you for the car analogy, I've never heard anyone put it that way but it makes sense, you don't need an expensive car just to move around.
I feel that VR is such a new tech that, if I wait two or three years, I’ll be able to get something 200% more immersive at a similar price.
yeah honestly the biggest takeaway from any VR review is “wait a couple years” still.
the last four years really haven't shown this to be true. it's mostly been slight improvements and major price reductions, though don't go thinking that you can wait a couple years and get it for the price of a cheeseburger. HL:A really shows that Oculus and Vive pretty much nailed it from the get-go and that it's mostly the software holding it back. if you want to wait on anything, it should be for great new games and programs. there's already a lot, but perhaps not as many as you might like.
@@cxeroannuki2840 Quest 2 kinda blows that vibe out of the water though, 299 for a headset with a good resolution AND it can play games stand alone?
Yeah, I don't think VR is in the "wait a couple of years" stage anymore. Index is going to have to have a price drop around Christmas if it wants to stay competitive.
Oculus quest 2 exists now
@@SherrifOfNottingham Maybe I'm just being picky, but with the Quest 2 I don't like the idea of Zuckerberg breathing heavily down the back of my neck while I play.
That moment when your watching a windows mixed reality review at 2 am even though you have a rift already
Google cardboard > everything else
Google cardboard = homeless version of vr
Nintendo labo
Throw in some ps move Controllers for head tracking and Controllers and BOOM you got a vr experience
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i used a cheap plastic vr thing with my phone and google cardboard and vridge first to try steam vr games. subnautica project cars vr etc. i could defnitely see the potential. but it was absolutely horrible. now with wmr though its a whole new world. a virtual world. wmr is awesome for the price. true VR.
For those looking at this solution, I haven't tried the Lenovo but I got my hands on both the Acer WMR as well as a Samsung odyssey plus at the same time. The difference in visual quality between the two is no joke! Colours don't even begin to compare (OLED vs LCD) and the screen door effect is non existent on the Samsung thanks to the special film. The controller pairing problem also doesn't exist in the Odyssey+ as they come pre-paired to the headset itself, no need for Bluetooth. The controllers themselves, while identical in function, are of a higher quality. As for batteries I got Li-ion rechargeable AA with 1.5 volts and after 9+ hours they're still going strong. Oh and integrated headphones provide great sound!
Needless to say I sold the Acer and kept the Samsung. Thought it's also not perfect, the sweet spot is not that big (though better than the Acer), so you have to adjust it on your face, but otherwise I'm happy with it.
Edit: I know the G2 has a higher resolution, but you can super sample the resolution on the old WMRs to match that and you will see a big difference in quality, especially in games like elite dangerous and project cars 2. But...... Unless you have an RTX 3080 or something, don't bother with such resolutions. My RTX 2070 is perfectly suitable for the resolution of the Odyssey+/valve index, give or take 20% extra supersampling. Much higher and you'll start to dip below smooth gameplay.
Btw I'm talking about supersampling above what steam already applied as default, due to barrel distortion all headsets need 40-50% SS just to display native resolution.
2 tipps: if you have problem with controllers needing pairing over again, try another Bluetooth dongle - it helped in my case. You can increase the FOV by getting the lenses closer to the eyes - you can easily swap the foam padding on the head strap thanks to velcro - the back foam is thinner and it will reduce the eye-lens distance.