Nicely produced video with great production values. You may remember me from ADTA, which has a number of members involved in church security. What you're doing here is very worthwhile in the context of increasingly dangerous times in our country.
Who would have ever thought that 50 years ago you'd be murdered in a church in the years to come? The world has gone mad. You're as likely to be murdered in Walmart, in a movie house, in an outdoor music concert, in a high school or so despicable... even in a grammar school. A person was shot in the supermarket I frequent just a month ago and the gunman got away. I'm convinced this world will not make it out alive to the next decade.
Man thank you!! I like the discussion along with scenarios. They help bring things into proper perspective. Can't wait to your next video. Your videos are a blessing to GODS flock.
@@roadkillsarge can you recommend a good training resources? There are things I've seen online and advertised in town, but it's hard to discern what's legitimate.
Scenario training, gets the brain and the hands moving in the right direction. Executing a plan of action (which can change in seconds), priceless. God Speed,,,,,,, Semper Fi,,, p.s. Like the Trauma kit, at the ready. Better to have one, than not.
Q. Why would you not secure the perimeter and body/bag search before the patron comes into the church? What about moving the chairs around creating an obstacle course, making it harder for a direct attack on the pastor talking at the front, if chairs are in the way it makes it harder to reach the front quickly.
That's your discretion. These are just scenarios that we ran. This specific church had parking lot security and indoor. Chairs are fixed to the ground. Searches are case by case basis. That's at their discretion.
As a church security guy, my biggest 'fear' is someone attacking our pastor during the invitation time. Everyone and anyone has free reign/intimate access to the pastor and at those close ranges, if something were to go down it would be too late before I could get there, even with me sitting on the front two rows. And as much as I want to see new people in the building, I am relieved every Sunday when all I see are familiar faces....not saying any of them aren't capable of violence....but yeah.
It is so sad that these days that this is what it's becoming so we need to be able to protect the people that go to churches and Worship the Lord Jesus Christ having a plan implementing could save so many lives so it is a good thing be prepared
As Christians, violence against us has never been a new thing. There isn’t new sin. The man it wears just changes. It is important to adapt both in our personal salvation as well as our security of our flock.
Any old expired body armor can work. Secure it inside the pulpit. Some of my LEO buddies take their old armor and install it inside their car door panels.
I have been part of my church’s safety ministry for a few years now. We get regular training on deescalation, getting disruptive people out of the pews, administration of narcan, weather and medical emergencies, etc. One thing we have not done is these types of scenarios involving a person who means to do harm during service with everyone knowing their roles based on their strengths. Do you have any information on trainers or personnel that can set up training in this way for my group in Wisconsin? If so please reply and we can some contact info. Thanks!
Except for the pew colors lols like my church. Our security is no more. I’m currently trying so we have security Saturday night. I am on the stage but for only 15 minutes of the hour. Currently practicing at 35-45 feet but spot on inside 20’.
How many rounds does your team get down range monthly on moving targets? I saw a report on a police department that had multiple shooting events and their accuracy was below 30%. In a close setting not getting your round on target could be disastrous. I was just curious how you handle live round training.
We try for every other month range days. I, as the security team leader, shoot twice or more a month. We have an alloted amount of ammo, and a range membership for the team, to allow us to shoot whenever we'd like. But right now, 50rds a month is the norm. We're always trying to push more, but on a 100% volunteer based ministry, some people just don't have the time.
Mission dictates... are they armed? How many people are on my security team? What level of training is everyone at? It would technically work like triage.... Who's the biggest threat? Work our way towards the doors. Isolating, neutralizing, or reprimanding.....
The app called Zello. It's a walkie talkie app designed to be used with Bluetooth headphones. It's encrypted and is used by satellite signal, not cell signal.
@dangeroso121 yep, hence why we were there training them. Lol you saw them come out near the end. The goal is to stress test their current system, find holes, fix those holes, and then build it up again.
@@roadkillsarge i like the real life training scenario. So i want to see about ordering me some of those. Are they caps or is it just the gun that does it?
Every church needs to be prepared for some nut that wants to inflict harm to the Pastors or congregation. Especially churches that do not compromise on the Word. As we know, the Word is especially offensive to those that reject it. Hopefully it will never happen, but a shooter will meet his maker sooner than he had planned if he comes to our church. There are dozens of people armed every Sunday at my church. Not only CC people but security and off duty officers as well.
Hey!!!!! Someone paid close attention!!!! It's what I spoke of at the end. When I ask the watcher to do x, y, and z. 🙏🏼 Thanks for intentionally watching our video!!!
I'm wondering, do you only allow cops, ex-cops or ex-military to be part of a church security team? Also, once an active shooter becomes active inside the sanctuary, and the people get up and begin to move about, how do you control that? And what happens if bad guys are also waiting outside the church with long guns? The sheep are then funneled into a kill zone. I've been asking other subject matter creators who post this type of material. Christian Warrior being one of them, and he's good. Our church has a team, but meeting the person running it, he wouldn't add me to their team since I'm not a cop, ex-cop or ex-military. I have a carry conceal, they know that. In a one in a million situation, to be forced to engage if I'm the closest to a shooter, I don't want to be shot in the back and it's a real concern but I'm not gonna sit back and watch someone unload on the congregation. I have a ton of experience, executive protection, CQB, allot of live fire training which I really enjoy but I really can't say for whom and where and of course first aid, I have an enhanced KSK with tons of good stuff. I'm a sheep dog, and that's all I am. And from what I can see, my church has some pretty significant gaps from the parking lot, lighting, etc. to once the attacker(s) enters the church, the children's class rooms are not were they need to be and I can go on.
Lots of stuff here.... We do allow cops, ex-military, and similar backgrounds on the team. The OLD belief was "they would go to far, due to their backgrounds". But it's absolutely necessary nowadays, and they have insider info that's useful to us.
@@roadkillsarge Easy man. Nobody said you and your church are not doing God's will. I'm trying to think of the ones in the Bible that we're doing as they should but still got killed. I guess an individual or a church body doing as they should can still be attacked. Pretty sure Peter had a rough ending. I don't know. Just thinking. Keep training. I'd say you're doing right. I like it and wish more churches would stand up! Too many people think Christians are a bunch of sissies that will turn the other cheek. Some are but thankfully some ain't. 👍
@@roadkillsarge samsons hair of super strength, noahs ark, drinking birds blood to determine a woman's fidelity, yes I have read it all. But I applaud those who take their safety into their own hands, hoping a deity will perform a miracle is a losing bet. Keep on protecting those people and protecting the 2nd amendment.
@IIrandhandleII so, you've read where your life is on concert with God's will? That we're not free from responsibility, nor are we robots expecting bailouts at every turn? That we must actively resist evil and is influence and reach? Hmmm.... main stories are easy, even Satan knows God's word.
@@roadkillsarge it is your freedom to believe the Bible was created by yahweh and your freedom to exercise our rights to defend ourselves. Unfortunately these tactics may need to be implemented in schools as well. I have not seen a deity heal an amputee or stop a violent attacker. That is our responsibility as you said.
I’ll continue to just conceal myself. The church my wife and I go to they have a security guy who “conceals in his smedium shirt and prints like crazy. If I was a shooter he’d be the first to go. If you’re going to do it right, everyone who comes to church gets frisked and no one being allowed to carry unless they’re part of the security team. If they don’t like it, go to service somewhere else. You’ll make these scenarios 10x more easier. That one guy shouldn’t have even made it past the lobby. There’s kids that go to church, stop worrying about offending people and be straight. “Sir, our policy is you get frisked once you enter the building, if they act sketchy and have an issue with it, ask them to leave. These are dangerous times and there’s no room for screw ups. Assert right away and you’ll know whose a danger and whose not. I’m sorry, but profiling works. As a paramedic if I go to a trailer park for a 30 year old unresponsive I’m going to assume by the age and the way they live if it’s an overdose or another medical emergency. 90% of the time I’ve been right on my diagnosis’s by “profiling” same applies to any scenario. Hate to break it to everyone, but unless you’re frisking everyone that comes to church you’re never going to know who Carry’s. And I’m not trusting “church security” to the safety of myself and wife. I respect the idea, and maybe others feel safe with it, but as for me I’ll be the protector of my wife and 6 month old.
So your answer is to infringe on everyone's right to carry so they can worship with you, while you say you'll continue to conceal carry? Good luck with that.
@@markbraunschweig5227 And if church security frisked me and said I wasn’t allowed to carry unless I wanted to take initiative to join their security team I would respect it or go somewhere else. You’re not entitled at church. Your “rights” don’t apply. You’re not a government agency so it’s not your job to worry about someone’s rights. It’s the same with private businesses if they want firearms in their stores. And yeah I will carry because security lacks until it’s too late and this video shows it. But you keep running your scenarios and allow them to come into a place of worship where kids are at not knowing their true motives. If they’re truly there to worship they won’t give you a problem, right?. You’re security for a reason, you should know who Carry’s if you’re too scared or too lazy to take initiative to find that out then that’s your lacking. Which is why I won’t place the security of my family to wanna be security guys. Nobody takes initiative to know if I carry so I’ll continue to do so because their security check points are already flawed. Best of luck!
@@gunlover5564 I was on a security team for several years. We trained at the range and you were not getting on the team until you proved yourself on the range. That being said, we also knew that if a bad person wants to do harm, there is only so much you are gonna be able to do until the threat is neutralized. That is a fact. We also made it our business to know all the people well, know who was carrying and so on. We had training scenarios and worked with the church on how to react in a live shooter scenario. That includes telling those that aren't on the security team to keep their weapon holstered unless necessary. In your fantasy world, I frisk someone, they take their weapon back to the car, then when church lets out if a nut case is in the parking lot with a gun...he/she and their family are screwed. Keep living in your paranoid/pissed at inept security you're unwilling to join/fantasy world. You call yourself a gun lover, but want to disarm law abiding citizens on the way in to church?
@@markbraunschweig5227 if you have a successful security team and do what needs to be done the people coming to church should not have to worry about carrying for an hour or 2. Once again, sounds like you can’t guarantee people’s safety and that’s your problem. I do love firearms, but I’m also not entitled. It’s the same with a business. If I own the business I will carry because it’s MY business and if I don’t want complete strangers carrying that’s my right to deny that into my store. We’re not talking about an out in town public setting, we’re talking about a place of worship where people get found as easy targets. You want to eliminate and keep a safe environment. Only the people you know and trust carry. People can respect that or go somewhere else. No one is forcing them to go to that certain church. You’re not a government official, you have no duty to respect a visitors right to carry, only the right to worship and have EVERY right to deny entry to those who don’t follow the churches rules. I worked at a gun store for 6 years my guy. I’ve seen how stupid and careless people are and if shit happens I wouldn’t want every untrained weirdo with a gun popping rounds off in the store or church and taking the risk of my kid or someone else’s kids getting hit because every weirdo wants to be a hero. That is the EXACT reason why you even form security teams to organize and prevent this. “Oh yeah… well… well… we’re security, but were just gonna let every weirdo carry in the church because we don’t want to hurt feelings. Why are you even playing the role of security then dude if you have no set rules and standards? Lmao
@@markbraunschweig5227 and to your comment of them going back to there car and waiting for Church to let out before they do anything, why don’t you have people walking the parking lot as people leave? Make a mental note and know what car they got into and keep a BOLO on church property for that car and Individual till church lets out. It’s honestly not rocket science. And I hate to break it to you, but if I came into your church you’re not going to know I’m carrying unless you ask me or want to frisk me. I’d bypass your security detail the same that I’ve done at other churches because the simple fact there is no pro active guards that frisk or ask the uncomfortable questions. Which is why I continue to carry. I won’t trust my life and the life of my family to such unorganized security teams.
This warms my heart to see a program like this in place. Hopefully more churches implement these tactics.
I'm also on the Security Team at my church and I find this very helpful. I'm gonna share this video to the rest of my team.
Sounds good, let me know if there's any way I can help! 🙏
The Video was Very Informative and will be past on to My Pastor and Team, Thank You
@@LarryMathews-v3e Hallelujah!
Nicely produced video with great production values. You may remember me from ADTA, which has a number of members involved in church security. What you're doing here is very worthwhile in the context of increasingly dangerous times in our country.
Thanks Ed! Hope you're doing well brother!!!
Absolutely excellent video
Thank you sir! This was very inspirational. Love it and most of this we’ve implemented but have not physically trained like this.
Who would have ever thought that 50 years ago you'd be murdered in a church in the years to come? The world has gone mad. You're as likely to be murdered in Walmart, in a movie house, in an outdoor music concert, in a high school or so despicable... even in a grammar school. A person was shot in the supermarket I frequent just a month ago and the gunman got away. I'm convinced this world will not make it out alive to the next decade.
It's an unfortunate state of affairs in the world. Evil is being left unchecked. We need to get ready.
Worshippers have been masacred for centuries, this isnt new.
Thank you for this video! I will definitely show the men at our church.
This is awesome content, thank you for putting this together, God Bless
Thank you!!!
Excellent video and superb content. Kudos
Thanks for the video very good to lean I'm a Security of Lavang Church our church is large community hope our team lean from this video thanks again
Thank you for sharing this. Very informative.
Thank you for stopping by!
Man thank you!! I like the discussion along with scenarios. They help bring things into proper perspective.
Can't wait to your next video. Your videos are a blessing to GODS flock.
Thank you! Here soon.
Great scenarios Gregory! Church security volunteers need this information to use for their own training. Thank you for providing this material!
Thank you!!! 🙏✝️
Thank you for the tips and insight. Blessings
Thank you!!! 🙏
Outstanding!
Keep them coming! I've been tapped for head of security for our new church
That's awesome! Praying for your ministry! Let me know if there's any way I can help. 🙏
@@roadkillsarge can you recommend a good training resources? There are things I've seen online and advertised in town, but it's hard to discern what's legitimate.
Sheepdog response and Active Response Training are both very good resources.
Let me know if I can be of any help. I have been doing our church security for over a year and a half. Still learning, but very willing to help
Scenario training, gets the brain and the hands moving in the right direction. Executing a plan of action (which can change in seconds), priceless.
God Speed,,,,,,,
Semper Fi,,,
p.s. Like the Trauma kit, at the ready. Better to have one, than not.
It is good to be prepared
Very good
Thanks
Q. Why would you not secure the perimeter and body/bag search before the patron comes into the church? What about moving the chairs around creating an obstacle course, making it harder for a direct attack on the pastor talking at the front, if chairs are in the way it makes it harder to reach the front quickly.
That's your discretion. These are just scenarios that we ran. This specific church had parking lot security and indoor. Chairs are fixed to the ground. Searches are case by case basis. That's at their discretion.
As a church security guy, my biggest 'fear' is someone attacking our pastor during the invitation time. Everyone and anyone has free reign/intimate access to the pastor and at those close ranges, if something were to go down it would be too late before I could get there, even with me sitting on the front two rows.
And as much as I want to see new people in the building, I am relieved every Sunday when all I see are familiar faces....not saying any of them aren't capable of violence....but yeah.
That is where we must be most diligent and aware. Set up contingency plans, and several lines of defense and response.
I think about this scenario, all the time at.
Good info
It is so sad that these days that this is what it's becoming so we need to be able to protect the people that go to churches and Worship the Lord Jesus Christ having a plan implementing could save so many lives so it is a good thing be prepared
As Christians, violence against us has never been a new thing. There isn’t new sin. The man it wears just changes. It is important to adapt both in our personal salvation as well as our security of our flock.
The pulpit should have body armor inside it.
Very interesting..... I will have to pray and ponder upon this. Definitely a different approach, but worthy of more thought. Lol thank you!
Any old expired body armor can work. Secure it inside the pulpit. Some of my LEO buddies take their old armor and install it inside their car door panels.
I have been part of my church’s safety ministry for a few years now. We get regular training on deescalation, getting disruptive people out of the pews, administration of narcan, weather and medical emergencies, etc. One thing we have not done is these types of scenarios involving a person who means to do harm during service with everyone knowing their roles based on their strengths. Do you have any information on trainers or personnel that can set up training in this way for my group in Wisconsin? If so please reply and we can some contact info.
Thanks!
I do not, but I can try to find some resources if need be.
What about 2nd and 3rd line shooters? Hallways and parking area.
Except for the pew colors lols like my church. Our security is no more. I’m currently trying so we have security Saturday night. I am on the stage but for only 15 minutes of the hour. Currently practicing at 35-45 feet but spot on inside 20’.
With the Tzizits On!
I'm upgrading the trauma bag we use. What trauma kit are you using in this video?
At 2:46 in the video, what is the training device that the “attacker” is using?
Those are all SIRT pistols, with added effects from the editor.
How many rounds does your team get down range monthly on moving targets? I saw a report on a police department that had multiple shooting events and their accuracy was below 30%. In a close setting not getting your round on target could be disastrous. I was just curious how you handle live round training.
We try for every other month range days. I, as the security team leader, shoot twice or more a month. We have an alloted amount of ammo, and a range membership for the team, to allow us to shoot whenever we'd like. But right now, 50rds a month is the norm. We're always trying to push more, but on a 100% volunteer based ministry, some people just don't have the time.
Where can I buy those training guns with the lights. I think it would greatly help my church security team.
nextleveltraining.com/product/sirt-110-training-pistol-2/
They're SERT training pistols.
Would like to see a video on bouncing and security
Bouncing? At a bar or club???
What were the traini g weapons/rounds used??
SIRT and Blue guns. All special effects from my film team at Knok Studios.
What would you do if there are more than 5 attackers?
Mission dictates... are they armed? How many people are on my security team? What level of training is everyone at? It would technically work like triage.... Who's the biggest threat? Work our way towards the doors. Isolating, neutralizing, or reprimanding.....
No radios? How do you deal with issues in the parking lot, or in a classroom?
The app called Zello. It's a walkie talkie app designed to be used with Bluetooth headphones. It's encrypted and is used by satellite signal, not cell signal.
@@roadkillsarge I'm familiar with it. I just didn't see anyone doing coms in the scenarios.
@dangeroso121 yep, hence why we were there training them. Lol you saw them come out near the end. The goal is to stress test their current system, find holes, fix those holes, and then build it up again.
@@roadkillsarge Makes sense. Coms failures is one if the biggest issues I have seen in team training.
👍🏻🙏🏻
Where would I get a truma bag for my church?
There are plenty online.... or you can check out sheepdog response. I buy off of JBLM. They have some awesome pre-made IFAK's and other kits.
Where do you get those practice handguns?
These are SIRT pistols and blue guns.
@@roadkillsarge i like the real life training scenario. So i want to see about ordering me some of those. Are they caps or is it just the gun that does it?
@paulangulo6716 it's special effects. Lol my film editor added the flashes and bangs. Lol
@@roadkillsarge amen bro. Thanks. But you still led me in right direction. Appreciate the videos
@@paulangulo6716 Amen!!!
Whats the reporting of small churches getting attacked?
I don't think I understand your question...
Every church needs to be prepared for some nut that wants to inflict harm to the Pastors or congregation. Especially churches that do not compromise on the Word. As we know, the Word is especially offensive to those that reject it. Hopefully it will never happen, but a shooter will meet his maker sooner than he had planned if he comes to our church. There are dozens of people armed every Sunday at my church. Not only CC people but security and off duty officers as well.
Agreed!
The “militia act” is going to stop this great training, if it is passed. Look into it! Please.
What type of training weapons are those ??
We used blue guns and SIRT pistols.
@@roadkillsarge SIRT pistols make sound effects now ??
@@stephanromeo684 hahahaha those are added sound effects from the editor.
@@roadkillsarge ahhhhh ok very nice ! You guys got me then lol. I was about to look into buying those weapons for the teams I train too !
What's the 9th scenario?
Hey!!!!! Someone paid close attention!!!! It's what I spoke of at the end. When I ask the watcher to do x, y, and z. 🙏🏼 Thanks for intentionally watching our video!!!
@@roadkillsarge Thanks for making it, brother. God bless.
I'm wondering, do you only allow cops, ex-cops or ex-military to be part of a church security team? Also, once an active shooter becomes active inside the sanctuary, and the people get up and begin to move about, how do you control that? And what happens if bad guys are also waiting outside the church with long guns? The sheep are then funneled into a kill zone. I've been asking other subject matter creators who post this type of material. Christian Warrior being one of them, and he's good. Our church has a team, but meeting the person running it, he wouldn't add me to their team since I'm not a cop, ex-cop or ex-military. I have a carry conceal, they know that. In a one in a million situation, to be forced to engage if I'm the closest to a shooter, I don't want to be shot in the back and it's a real concern but I'm not gonna sit back and watch someone unload on the congregation. I have a ton of experience, executive protection, CQB, allot of live fire training which I really enjoy but I really can't say for whom and where and of course first aid, I have an enhanced KSK with tons of good stuff. I'm a sheep dog, and that's all I am. And from what I can see, my church has some pretty significant gaps from the parking lot, lighting, etc. to once the attacker(s) enters the church, the children's class rooms are not were they need to be and I can go on.
Lots of stuff here....
We do allow cops, ex-military, and similar backgrounds on the team. The OLD belief was "they would go to far, due to their backgrounds". But it's absolutely necessary nowadays, and they have insider info that's useful to us.
What are those training guns? Manufacturer? Website?
SIRT trainer pistols.
@@roadkillsarge absolutely one of the best training tools.
Why go to church if it's become this dangerous?
Because people refuse to live in fear. Fight fire with fire. We have a 2nd amendment for a reason. Be a good Citizen and practice it.
No offense. I guess it's ok to practice but I wonder if the Lord will allow this at a church thats truly doing his will...?
What part of what we're doing, is outside His will. Using the Word of God. I'll wait.
@@roadkillsarge Easy man. Nobody said you and your church are not doing God's will. I'm trying to think of the ones in the Bible that we're doing as they should but still got killed. I guess an individual or a church body doing as they should can still be attacked. Pretty sure Peter had a rough ending. I don't know. Just thinking. Keep training. I'd say you're doing right. I like it and wish more churches would stand up! Too many people think Christians are a bunch of sissies that will turn the other cheek. Some are but thankfully some ain't. 👍
When you don't have faith that a deity will protect you its always wise to protect yourself.
Tell me you've never read the Bible, without actually telling me. Have a blessed day, though!
@@roadkillsarge samsons hair of super strength, noahs ark, drinking birds blood to determine a woman's fidelity, yes I have read it all. But I applaud those who take their safety into their own hands, hoping a deity will perform a miracle is a losing bet. Keep on protecting those people and protecting the 2nd amendment.
@IIrandhandleII so, you've read where your life is on concert with God's will? That we're not free from responsibility, nor are we robots expecting bailouts at every turn? That we must actively resist evil and is influence and reach? Hmmm.... main stories are easy, even Satan knows God's word.
@@roadkillsarge it is your freedom to believe the Bible was created by yahweh and your freedom to exercise our rights to defend ourselves. Unfortunately these tactics may need to be implemented in schools as well. I have not seen a deity heal an amputee or stop a violent attacker. That is our responsibility as you said.
@@IIrandhandleII I've seen miracles myself. But I can tell it won't change your opinion. Have a blessed day.
I’ll continue to just conceal myself. The church my wife and I go to they have a security guy who “conceals in his smedium shirt and prints like crazy. If I was a shooter he’d be the first to go. If you’re going to do it right, everyone who comes to church gets frisked and no one being allowed to carry unless they’re part of the security team. If they don’t like it, go to service somewhere else. You’ll make these scenarios 10x more easier. That one guy shouldn’t have even made it past the lobby. There’s kids that go to church, stop worrying about offending people and be straight. “Sir, our policy is you get frisked once you enter the building, if they act sketchy and have an issue with it, ask them to leave. These are dangerous times and there’s no room for screw ups. Assert right away and you’ll know whose a danger and whose not. I’m sorry, but profiling works. As a paramedic if I go to a trailer park for a 30 year old unresponsive I’m going to assume by the age and the way they live if it’s an overdose or another medical emergency. 90% of the time I’ve been right on my diagnosis’s by “profiling” same applies to any scenario.
Hate to break it to everyone, but unless you’re frisking everyone that comes to church you’re never going to know who Carry’s. And I’m not trusting “church security” to the safety of myself and wife. I respect the idea, and maybe others feel safe with it, but as for me I’ll be the protector of my wife and 6 month old.
So your answer is to infringe on everyone's right to carry so they can worship with you, while you say you'll continue to conceal carry? Good luck with that.
@@markbraunschweig5227 And if church security frisked me and said I wasn’t allowed to carry unless I wanted to take initiative to join their security team I would respect it or go somewhere else. You’re not entitled at church. Your “rights” don’t apply. You’re not a government agency so it’s not your job to worry about someone’s rights. It’s the same with private businesses if they want firearms in their stores.
And yeah I will carry because security lacks until it’s too late and this video shows it.
But you keep running your scenarios and allow them to come into a place of worship where kids are at not knowing their true motives. If they’re truly there to worship they won’t give you a problem, right?. You’re security for a reason, you should know who Carry’s if you’re too scared or too lazy to take initiative to find that out then that’s your lacking. Which is why I won’t place the security of my family to wanna be security guys. Nobody takes initiative to know if I carry so I’ll continue to do so because their security check points are already flawed.
Best of luck!
@@gunlover5564 I was on a security team for several years. We trained at the range and you were not getting on the team until you proved yourself on the range. That being said, we also knew that if a bad person wants to do harm, there is only so much you are gonna be able to do until the threat is neutralized. That is a fact. We also made it our business to know all the people well, know who was carrying and so on. We had training scenarios and worked with the church on how to react in a live shooter scenario. That includes telling those that aren't on the security team to keep their weapon holstered unless necessary. In your fantasy world, I frisk someone, they take their weapon back to the car, then when church lets out if a nut case is in the parking lot with a gun...he/she and their family are screwed. Keep living in your paranoid/pissed at inept security you're unwilling to join/fantasy world. You call yourself a gun lover, but want to disarm law abiding citizens on the way in to church?
@@markbraunschweig5227 if you have a successful security team and do what needs to be done the people coming to church should not have to worry about carrying for an hour or 2. Once again, sounds like you can’t guarantee people’s safety and that’s your problem. I do love firearms, but I’m also not entitled.
It’s the same with a business. If I own the business I will carry because it’s MY business and if I don’t want complete strangers carrying that’s my right to deny that into my store.
We’re not talking about an out in town public setting, we’re talking about a place of worship where people get found as easy targets. You want to eliminate and keep a safe environment. Only the people you know and trust carry. People can respect that or go somewhere else. No one is forcing them to go to that certain church.
You’re not a government official, you have no duty to respect a visitors right to carry, only the right to worship and have EVERY right to deny entry to those who don’t follow the churches rules.
I worked at a gun store for 6 years my guy. I’ve seen how stupid and careless people are and if shit happens I wouldn’t want every untrained weirdo with a gun popping rounds off in the store or church and taking the risk of my kid or someone else’s kids getting hit because every weirdo wants to be a hero. That is the EXACT reason why you even form security teams to organize and prevent this.
“Oh yeah… well… well… we’re security, but were just gonna let every weirdo carry in the church because we don’t want to hurt feelings. Why are you even playing the role of security then dude if you have no set rules and standards? Lmao
@@markbraunschweig5227 and to your comment of them going back to there car and waiting for Church to let out before they do anything, why don’t you have people walking the parking lot as people leave? Make a mental note and know what car they got into and keep a BOLO on church property for that car and Individual till church lets out.
It’s honestly not rocket science.
And I hate to break it to you, but if I came into your church you’re not going to know I’m carrying unless you ask me or want to frisk me. I’d bypass your security detail the same that I’ve done at other churches because the simple fact there is no pro active guards that frisk or ask the uncomfortable questions. Which is why I continue to carry. I won’t trust my life and the life of my family to such unorganized security teams.
I thought school shootings were happening because god was taken out of the schools. What gives?
Evil is everywhere. They can't keep to themselves, nor will they leave us alone. So. 🤷🏽♂️
how about you dont bring a gun to church!!!! thoughts and prayers arent enough
Your opinion. Have a blessed day!
Good thinking. Criminals never prey upon the weak and unarmed. The more helpless you are, the safer you become!