"No one of importance on the plane." I can just see the DC establishment media saying that. DC workers (NW, DC, that is, and Capitol Hill workers feel that DC is special Royalty.
This accident is the reason ATC gives pilots an altitude to maintain until they verify they are established on the final approach course and their position is verified in the cockpit.
The “maintain till established” call is indeed a big shift in ATC callouts due to this crash, but a FAR larger change was the mandate for GPWS systems on all commercial / Part 121 flights. GPWS would go on to save countless hundreds (thousands?) of lives in subsequent years… even today.
Since so many relatives of the victims are still living, it seems a better memorial could be erected regardless of current ownership. The crash did help change procedures, and that has benefitted all. Those who lost their lives in this tragedy deserve recognition and honor.
Unfortunately it’s in the middle of nowhere, on a road that’s very much monitored by the US Govt for access to the mount weather facility. It would be nice, but is also probably one of the last places the government wants to pay to build something that would draw a crowd.
Ok, the critics have a point: PUT A DATE!! Then, it's sad that no one ever put up another memorial or at least tried to keep the old one up. And for some idiots to say "no one of importance was on the plane" was a good representation of how society can think. But very sad for them to say it...
Ironically, there was another B727 that occurred later the same evening of Dec 1st, just north of NYC. It was empty except for the crew , going to pick up the then Baltimore Colts. Northwest flight 6231. A very sad aviation day.
The documentary rightly focused on that terrible comment about no one of importance and then did the same thing! What about the Brigadier General’s wife that also lost her life?! She’s important too, but not a mention about her!
@scootermom1791 - it’s US government property, top secret, and a major VIP nuclear fallout site for important people in the Washington DC area. This isn’t “Bobs backyard” who doesn’t want people sticking a memorial plaque on a tree lol. The less people know about Mt Weather, the better. The fact that a high-profile plane crashed into it is just insanely ironic.
@@badmonkey2222 Got the airline, the flight no. The Town, the County, the Airport....just posted....Yeah, I missed the documentary part. Should have put two-and-two together instead just one step: "50 years ago...." Most documentaries start like, "On .... (date)....in.... (location).... but fair enough....sorry? I just get so over posters that post Trump's picks that he's weeks away from making or posting how Trump just shocked everyone (3 months ago) or how Pelosi is about to be fire (6 month old video)....lot of it going around.
They don't fly 727s anymore commercially, and TWA has been a defunct airline for decades so it is decades ago...also the newsfootage quality should be a clue.
An incident I will never forget. December 1, 1974. What a mess and there's still a mark on the rock where they crashed into scooting across the road. And up until that point no one, except those who lived on Mt. Weather, knew there was a secret underground Civil Defense Nuke base on/in Mt. Weather. Mt. Weather got it's name from the miners who used to bore into the mountain because the weather on top of the mountain changes so quickly. The old mines are what became the underground nuke survival facility in the 60s. I worked there years later for FEMA. Super cool history but no longer top secret.
I was nearly 15...although I lived in the Chicago suburbs I remember this very well. Just 2 years before I flew TWA to Italy over the ocean but it was a 747
@@juliemanarin4127wow! I think anyone flying prior to the 80's was taking a big risk. Bigger still in the 60's. In 1960, alone, there were 7 crashes: 3 were from the Lockheed Electra, alone. In 1959, there were 9 crashes! Crazy time to fly.
The way controllers and pilots talk to each other is confusing sometimes, the different accents, the very rapid communication, I'm surprised there aren't accidents everyday.
If my memory is correct, the clearance the crew had received was "Cleared to descend 'at pilot's discretion' to _______".This would entail using fixes from crossing VOR radials or DME (distance measuring equipment) to fix a specific location from a runway or a VOR (radio navigation transmitter) displayed on arrival or approach charts before descending below a specific altitude. Think of it like a descending staircase that upon crossing fix "X" you can safely descend to 5000', crossing fix "Y" 3100', etc. In those days, the clearance as issued put the responsibility for the step down on the pilots cleared to the lower altitude to assure safe crossing altitude, yet many did not fully understand this.. Today, charts are much improved with more useful information and descent clearances establish limits as to fix, crossing altitude, etc.
Rt 601 would have been easy to block at Rt 7 and Rt 50. But thete is another way up on the west side. Comes out at MWEOC. Yup, that crash will always be part of MW history. Meet a guy who worked there that awful day, they thought the Ballon Went Up and it WTEOTWAWKI..
A slow motion tug at your heartstrings style of documentary, the first eleven minutes seemed like an hour, punctuated by the usual RUclips scam shill ads... I just couldn't take it anymore
I live about 25 miles from the crash site. This was huge news around here when it happened.
Hopefully you fired the thumbnail creator. TWI ? You had one job...
13:30 "there was no one of importance" -blasphemy
You can say that again! 😢
Why does it seem the FAA goes kicking and screaming to make a change that saves lives?
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@@bobbyd6680Bingo
Money. Everyone thinks is so much more important than people's lives. 🙄😢
"No one of importance on the plane." I can just see the DC establishment media saying that. DC workers (NW, DC, that is,
and Capitol Hill workers feel that DC is special Royalty.
And they STILL DO
This accident is the reason ATC gives pilots an altitude to maintain until they verify they are established on the final approach course and their position is verified in the cockpit.
The “maintain till established” call is indeed a big shift in ATC callouts due to this crash, but a FAR larger change was the mandate for GPWS systems on all commercial / Part 121 flights.
GPWS would go on to save countless hundreds (thousands?) of lives in subsequent years… even today.
@@EstorilEm Yes. You are very correct in this.
“No one of importance”… what a horrible statement. Everyone on that plane was important. RIP, all.
Exactly! 😢
@@imlistening1137 Yes. One of the most insensitive statements of the century. They should have lost their right to broadcast.
How DARE they say nobody of importance was on the flight!! That piano was way too loud!
Since so many relatives of the victims are still living, it seems a better memorial could be erected regardless of current ownership. The crash did help change procedures, and that has benefitted all. Those who lost their lives in this tragedy deserve recognition and honor.
Unfortunately it’s in the middle of nowhere, on a road that’s very much monitored by the US Govt for access to the mount weather facility. It would be nice, but is also probably one of the last places the government wants to pay to build something that would draw a crowd.
May they rest in peace and condolences to their families
Ok, the critics have a point: PUT A DATE!! Then, it's sad that no one ever put up another memorial or at least tried to keep the old one up. And for some idiots to say "no one of importance was on the plane" was a good representation of how society can think. But very sad for them to say it...
Ironically, there was another B727 that occurred later the same evening of Dec 1st, just north of NYC. It was empty except for the crew , going to pick up the then Baltimore Colts. Northwest flight 6231. A very sad aviation day.
And 14:05 yet again. Shameless reporting-utter disregard of normal passengers with families
The documentary rightly focused on that terrible comment about no one of importance and then did the same thing! What about the Brigadier General’s wife that also lost her life?! She’s important too, but not a mention about her!
paltry site remembrance
The plane crashed on private property. That's probably why there's not much of a public memorial.
@@salvation4all313if I was the private property owner, I'd be contributing to a HUGE memorial. Shame on whomever it was/is.
@scootermom1791 - it’s US government property, top secret, and a major VIP nuclear fallout site for important people in the Washington DC area.
This isn’t “Bobs backyard” who doesn’t want people sticking a memorial plaque on a tree lol.
The less people know about Mt Weather, the better. The fact that a high-profile plane crashed into it is just insanely ironic.
So....50 years ago and you're posting it like it was breaking news! How convenient you don't have a date anywhere.
In no way does the title imply that it is breaking news it says in huge bold uppercase font that it is a documentary!! I mean seriously!?🙄
@@badmonkey2222 Got the airline, the flight no. The Town, the County, the Airport....just posted....Yeah, I missed the documentary part. Should have put two-and-two together instead just one step: "50 years ago...." Most documentaries start like, "On .... (date)....in.... (location).... but fair enough....sorry? I just get so over posters that post Trump's picks that he's weeks away from making or posting how Trump just shocked everyone (3 months ago) or how Pelosi is about to be fire (6 month old video)....lot of it going around.
@@jackwoods535 d
They don't fly 727s anymore commercially, and TWA has been a defunct airline for decades so it is decades ago...also the newsfootage quality should be a clue.
@@juliemanarin4127 🤣🤣
An incident I will never forget. December 1, 1974. What a mess and there's still a mark on the rock where they crashed into scooting across the road.
And up until that point no one, except those who lived on Mt. Weather, knew there was a secret underground Civil Defense Nuke base on/in Mt. Weather.
Mt. Weather got it's name from the miners who used to bore into the mountain because the weather on top of the mountain changes so quickly.
The old mines are what became the underground nuke survival facility in the 60s. I worked there years later for FEMA. Super cool history but no longer top secret.
I was nearly 15...although I lived in the Chicago suburbs I remember this very well. Just 2 years before I flew TWA to Italy over the ocean but it was a 747
@@juliemanarin4127wow! I think anyone flying prior to the 80's was taking a big risk. Bigger still in the 60's. In 1960, alone, there were 7 crashes: 3 were from the Lockheed Electra, alone. In 1959, there were 9 crashes! Crazy time to fly.
Wonderful memorial to the passengers and the people involved. God bless them all.
Except the greedy jerks of RUclips just HAD TO PLACE ADS IN THIS CONTENT AGAINST THEIR OWN RULES!!
I can't believe they were so crass to say there was no one of importance on that plane. My heck! 😢😢😢😢😢
50th Anniversary of this terrible crash. I remember it…I was a Junior in HS. So, so sad.
RIP BG Cartwright and all of the 92 VIPs of this flight.
The way controllers and pilots talk to each other is confusing sometimes, the different accents, the very rapid communication, I'm surprised there aren't accidents everyday.
If my memory is correct, the clearance the crew had received was "Cleared to descend 'at pilot's discretion' to _______".This would entail using fixes from crossing VOR radials or DME (distance measuring equipment) to fix a specific location from a runway or a VOR (radio navigation transmitter) displayed on arrival or approach charts before descending below a specific altitude. Think of it like a descending staircase that upon crossing fix "X" you can safely descend to 5000', crossing fix "Y" 3100', etc. In those days, the clearance as issued put the responsibility for the step down on the pilots cleared to the lower altitude to assure safe crossing altitude, yet many did not fully understand this.. Today, charts are much improved with more useful information and descent clearances establish limits as to fix, crossing altitude, etc.
TWI, never heard of that airline 🤔
TWA. Ruled the airline industry. Trans World Airlines TWA.
@@firechiefsampolitano1541 Been gone for a quarter century!
Trans World Airline = TWA was very big.
I flew on it in 1972...hasn't been an airline for decades. It was Trans World Airlines
@@kenmore01yep
Everyone on the plane was important to somebody 😢
That repetitive piano. Ugh.
What would you have found more approriate? Mozart's 40'th symphony or JUMP by Van Halen? The music is perfect
IKR?
@karlhaese7183 how about none? Or not so LOUD it drowns out the narration.
What road is this memorial on?
Blue Ridge Mountain Road. State route 601.
Mountian rd off of rt7 top of the hill.
RIP ☮️
Started off well, but then devolved into complete dribble. 😂
TWI?? Come on!! Proofread.
IKR?
50yrs ago😢
So this is history? PUT THE YEAR IN THE TITLE.
Or at least in the description.
1974
DC elitist attitude🤮
Rt 601 would have been easy to block at Rt 7 and Rt 50. But thete is another way up on the west side. Comes out at MWEOC. Yup, that crash will always be part of MW history. Meet a guy who worked there that awful day, they thought the Ballon Went Up and it WTEOTWAWKI..
Tomb stone technology!!!
Im former army and i have 0 respect for u.s army generals sorry
AF, likewise.
A slow motion tug at your heartstrings style of documentary, the first eleven minutes seemed like an hour, punctuated by the usual RUclips scam shill ads... I just couldn't take it anymore